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Gun laws around the world

Discuss opinions on various aspects of gun laws

Bsmith
post 12.Sep.2019, 03:40 PM
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This guy sums it up very well for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 12.Sep.2019, 04:25 PM
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Boy are you way off base!!!

How can a person that tells the truth and uses common sense to describe a social problem, be believed...

That's definitely not the Liberal way!!!

They should ban people with common sense too!!!
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Saywhatwhat
post 12.Sep.2019, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 12.Sep.2019, 04:40 PM) *
This guy sums it up very well for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho


I would love to ask this guy the question I will pose to you, since you seem to share in his belief...

The degradation of culture that he speaks of as being the culprit, the bad music, video games, social media, pornography, abortion (lol), the dissolving of family bonds as we retreat into our devices, etc.... the exposure to all this at a young age.... this is not unique to America and yet America has the highest death toll due to gun violence and mass/ school shootings. Why?

One thing that is obviously different, as a majority of the world knows, is that the gun laws are very loose.

Marilyn Manson toured Europe as well you know.
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Bsmith
post 12.Sep.2019, 10:57 PM
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Violent movies are more the rage in the US than in Sweden. Swedes consider that kind of stuff to be pornographic and the stuff the we prudish Americans think of as pornographic...ie the naked human body, Swedes do not.

I tend to side with the Swedes.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 12.Sep.2019, 11:27 PM
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What people conveniently do not mention is that the recent outbreak of violence is a relatively new social phenomenon...How convenient!!!
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Saywhatwhat
post 13.Sep.2019, 07:32 AM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 12.Sep.2019, 11:57 PM) *
Violent movies are more the rage in the US than in Sweden. Swedes consider that kind of stuff to be pornographic and the stuff the we prudish Americans think of as pornograph ... (show full quote)


Lol. Oh brother are you lost and reaching.

First of all, in the states there is a higher age restriction on R rated movies-17. In Sweden kids can see the same movie at 15.

I have personally seen two Quentin Tarantino movies in Sweden... they are not edited. When seeing Django I even commented to the person I went with that the audience seemed very young... this is when I found out that 15 yr olds can see those movies unaccompanied.

A very violent movie series, john wick, is shown in Sweden.... to younger kids.

Sweden also has some of the highest internet usage in the world... this means kids seeing all sorts of “bad influences”... they are still seeing all those violent movies... those movies which you now blame for gun violence.

Your resistance to massive gun law reform is what is keeping the ball rolling on the crisis of gun violence in America.

Change the laws like many many other nations and you will see a decrease in the violence.

You say you side with the Swedes, then side with them on their views of gun violence and laws implemented to curb such.

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 13.Sep.2019, 12:27 AM) *
What people conveniently do not mention is that the recent outbreak of violence is a relatively new social phenomenon...How convenient!!!


What are you talking about? Also lost and reaching.

People are most definitely acknowledging this is a relatively new phenomenon....

Hence the need for laws to change with the times.
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Bsmith
post 13.Sep.2019, 12:32 PM
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Banning guns will not get them out of the hands of criminals anymore than banning drugs has worked. You are delusional if you think so. And any gun legislation making it more difficult for people to buy guns does nothing to address the millions of guns that are already out there unless you are talking about house to house confiscation and if it ever gets to that point, all is lost.
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Saywhatwhat
post 14.Sep.2019, 09:01 AM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 13.Sep.2019, 01:32 PM) *
Banning guns will not get them out of the hands of criminals anymore than banning drugs has worked. You are delusional if you think so. And any gun legislation making it mor ... (show full quote)


Why are you fixated on “ban”? No one is saying that.

So wait... now is it drugs fault? I thought you sided with your buddy who summed it up so well for you blaming a culture that is worldwide... although his point was put out pretty quickly, gee I wish I could ask that fool the same question...

But then you scramble to say gun violence is due to violent movies... but that was put out pretty quick too...

Now you make some wild comparison of the war on drugs with the gun crisis.... after comparing guns to cars, guns to knives...

Since your “logic” is so scattered... let’s compare your idea of guns to the environment... I’ll start with a quote by none other than YOU
“You just have to do what you can. If we all adopt that attitude, a difference can be made”

Exactly, bsmith, so creating gun legislation is doing what we can to stop the ball rolling forward.... just like the environment. What a shame that you have adopted a “fuck it let’s do nothing” attitude. It’s too far gone so just let it keep going?

Door to door confiscation... you have such extremist views. Maybe a door to door registry. Buy backs round up some guns. And yes new legislation would keep people from buying more and more. The recent random mass shootings and school shootings use guns that were recently bought online or through stores legally. They aren’t guns traded on the black market. And of many of the past shootings where guns were bought legally... they were sold to people who had a documented history of mental health issues....

There is a simple piece of legislation we could use... don’t sell guns to people with a history of mental illness. That’s like buying LED lights.

But hey... why do anything?

The clutching to guns that people think makes them Uber American really perpetuates the image of a dumb American around the world.

The attitude which you and many have adopted does nothing but keep the gun crisis and violence going.

Legislation protecting the environment works so legislation protecting people from gun violence will work. You are delusional if you don’t think so.

Model our gun laws after the Netherlands, or many many many many other countries who don’t have the amount of gun violence like we do in the states.

Because
Clearly
It
Works
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Gjeebes
post 14.Sep.2019, 09:37 AM
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"Banning guns will not get them out of the hands of criminals"

Nonsense. Many of the crimes committed in the US are by people who obtain fully automatic assault rifles, legally. School shootings, mass shootings, etc.

Just look at Canada. Can't get hand-guns, can't obtain fully automatic assault rifles. Then compare the per capita gun crime between the US and Canada. You will quickly see your straw-man argument falls apart.

Toronto right now, for the past couple years, has seen a surge in gun crime. 5-6 shootings now on a single weekend. Previously unheard of. Guns smuggled in through the US, and used by US gangs that have been established in TO.

And arming citizens with hand-guns would mean nothing, since mostly these inbred ignorant and uneducated shits are simply killing each other for drug turf.

Canadians have loads of long guns, I think even more per capita than you Yanks, but gun crime in Canada is far, far lower, than in the US.

Now just why do you think that is?

Sure it's true that guns don't kill people, that people kill people. But in the US, if guns were much less easy to obtain, and MUGH more restricted and less available, then people who are killing people, wouldn't be using guns.

Personally, I'd be much happier to face assault by knife, or pretty much any other weapon, than by gun.
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Bsmith
post 14.Sep.2019, 10:29 AM
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QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 6.Sep.2019, 05:31 AM) *
How about we ban guns PERMANENTLY rather than subject our children to that environment... they already have to go through shooting drills.



QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 14.Sep.2019, 08:01 AM) *
Why are you fixated on “ban”? No one is saying that.



What, a Freudian slip?
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Bsmith
post 14.Sep.2019, 10:31 AM
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QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 14.Sep.2019, 08:37 AM) *
Just look at Canada. Can't get hand-guns, can't obtain fully automatic assault rifles.



You cannot legally buy fully automatic weapons in the US, either.
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Saywhatwhat
post 14.Sep.2019, 11:20 AM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 14.Sep.2019, 11:29 AM) *
What, a Freudian slip?



QUOTE (Bsmith @ 14.Sep.2019, 11:31 AM) *
You cannot legally buy fully automatic weapons in the US, either.



Seems like you are out of steam.

Yes, I would personally love to see all guns in the world magically disappear...

I have clearly stated over and over that ideal scenario is not realistic. I have clearly stated over and over that what needs to happen is massive gun law reform.

I clearly stated in my previous post that what is needed is gun law reform modeled after many other countries who have guns but not the violence to the extent America does. I clearly
stated a simple piece of legislation such as not selling guns to people with documented mental health issues would be a good start.

Why is it you want to do nothing to stop an obvious American crisis? With an obvious correlation between our loose gun laws and death toll due to gun violence.

You adopt a “fuck it” attitude with gun violence but a “we need to do what we can” for the environment. What’s up with that? People who deny that anything can be done to help the environment perpetuate the problem, don’t they? Same with gun violence.
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Gjeebes
post 14.Sep.2019, 02:09 PM
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"You cannot legally buy fully automatic weapons in the US, either."

Yep you can. There are apparently 630,000 fully automatic machine guns in the hands of civilians, in the good ole us of A.

You can even have it mounted on your replica Vietnam era jeep, should you be literate enough to fill in the paperwork. Takes about a year to get one. Google it. ATF. 1986 and so on.

You can also buy tanks in one state, and the shells for them in another. That's why when one of your fine Amuricuhn fellows drove a tank into the centre of some TexMex "Spicy" spice town, then were wondering if the chamber was loaded too...next you'll tell me that didn't happen...

But as usual, BSmith, you have nothing to say, about anything.

If you don't cherry-pick a spelling error, whilst ignoring in totality the contents, you come up with other inventive ways, to essentially, say, nothing.
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Bsmith
post 14.Sep.2019, 02:39 PM
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QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 14.Sep.2019, 10:20 AM) *
Why is it you want to do nothing to stop an obvious American crisis? With an obvious correlation between our loose gun laws and death toll due to gun violence.



I didn't say I want to do nothing, but what you are proposing is just political hijinks and will not solve the problem.

For example, I am concerned with the Islamic terrorism crisis in America. Using your logic, the US government should enact strict Islamic immigration standards and background checks on all Muslims who are currently living or wish to live in the US. The US should adopt the same Islamic immigration policy as Japan has. Is that something you would be in favor of?
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Bsmith
post 14.Sep.2019, 02:42 PM
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QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 14.Sep.2019, 01:09 PM) *
Yep you can. There are apparently 630,000 fully automatic machine guns in the hands of civilians, in the good ole us of A.


Have any of these 630, 000 fully automatic machine guns that are in the hands of civilians been used in any mass shootings or other acts of violence? Certainly not to my knowledge. I guess your point is moot.
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