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Posted by: SmokerT69 23.Nov.2017, 08:10 PM

Well, I'm curious to hear if anyone else has enjoyed Swedish bureaucracy?

I've been visiting Sweden for the past 5 years or so. I met a Swedish girl and dated for a while, a lot of back and forth between countries. 2 months in Sweden, 2 months in Bermuda,etc. We got married and were expecting a baby so we decided to move to Sweden. I finished up my military service and officially moved in July.

Välkommen till hellvete...er... I mean Sverige.

Well, it seemed easy enough. I'm British and hold a EU passport. According to the government website, I just had to go and register with the tax agency. Cool, went in July. Waited in line for 3 hours. They had 4 desks available to help people, but no one in front of me spoke english or Swedish. So every line had to wait on the one translator they had available. They took a copy of my passport, marriage certificate, etc. They told me a letter would come in the mail with my personal number. Alright, that wasn't too bad...

Wrong... late August, as in the last week. I received a letter. Well, considering my name was spelled completely wrong, I didn't expect much. How do you mess up copying a 5 letter name from a passport? Not actually spelt wrong, as in a typo, they added completely new characters to it. Well, turns out I have to go back to the tax agency. Because my wife lived with me in my country, we had to prove we actually lived together and that I wasn't forcing her to stay against her will. Fair enough, that seems like a bad thing. So, off I go again... wait in line for 2 hours. They take my passport and birth cirtificate, marriage certificate etc again. Show them papers of our apartment lease, joint bank accounts etc. Told to wait again on mail...

Fast forward to late September now. Boom, here comes my letter. Hmmm, turns out they can't give me a personal number because I need to apply to the migration board first. OK, maybe I did something wrong. I follow the directions and off to Gävle I go. I arrive at the migration agency and something doesn't seem right. It's all Syrians and North Africans here... none the less, I wait in line, these guys were actually fast. Only took an hour. Damn, turns out the tax agency sent me to the refugee center. Those crafty buggers... so, I'm directed to the migration agency in Uppsala. Damn, that's far away. Ah well, on the train I go. Imagine my suprise when they tell me all I have to do is fill out a form online. Alright, back on the train and back up north we go.

Time to full out another form, I'm getting good at this now... Time to wait a couple more weeks. Ah, progress is being made. Plot twist, turns out that because I'm a EU citizen, I have right of residency. Ohhh, you tricky government agents. Well played... well played. So, I'm off to the tax agency tomorrow to do the exact same thing I did in July.

Well, that's long a read. Hope you enjoyed my journey to moving to Sweden. Oh, btw, I'm attending SFI and they just gave me a personal number? They said I can use that until I get my real one? I have no idea what's even real anymore.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Nov.2017, 08:24 PM

Ouch!!!

Posted by: Gjeebes 23.Nov.2017, 08:39 PM

Now you essentially know of how irritating the rest of your time in Sweden will be.

Good luck. You WILL need it.

Posted by: RAFS 23.Nov.2017, 11:20 PM

Wow, that's quite the journey!

QUOTE
Well, I'm curious to hear if anyone else has enjoyed Swedish bureaucracy?


Probably a rhetorical question, but yes, I've actually had a very good experience with the Swedish bureaucracy so far. I won't say it's perfect, but it's miles ahead of what I've experienced in any other country (and I've experienced several).

I don't say this to rub it in, just to provide a counter-point to anyone else reading this thread. From this forum it might sound like nothing ever works in Sweden, but that's not the case at all - it's just that people don't tend to post about everything going smoothly.

Posted by: Svedallas 24.Nov.2017, 12:09 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 23.Nov.2017, 08:10 PM) *
Well, I'm curious to hear if anyone else has enjoyed Swedish bureaucracy?

I've been visiting Sweden for the past 5 years or so. I met a Swedish girl and dated for a while, a lot of back and forth between countries. 2 months in Sweden, 2 months in Bermuda,etc. We got married and were expecting a baby so we decided to move to Sweden. I finished up my military service and officially moved in July.

Välkommen till hellvete...er... I mean Sverige.

Well, it seemed easy enough. I'm British and hold a EU passport. According to the government website, I just had to go and register with the tax agency. Cool, went in July. Waited in line for 3 hours. They had 4 desks available to help people, but no one in front of me spoke english or Swedish. So every line had to wait on the one translator they had available. They took a copy of my passport, marriage certificate, etc. They told me a letter would come in the mail with my personal number. Alright, that wasn't too bad...

Wrong... late August, as in the last week. I received a letter. Well, considering my name was spelled completely wrong, I didn't expect much. How do you mess up copying a 5 letter name from a passport? Not actually spelt wrong, as in a typo, they added completely new characters to it. Well, turns out I have to go back to the tax agency. Because my wife lived with me in my country, we had to prove we actually lived together and that I wasn't forcing her to stay against her will. Fair enough, that seems like a bad thing. So, off I go again... wait in line for 2 hours. They take my passport and birth cirtificate, marriage certificate etc again. Show them papers of our apartment lease, joint bank accounts etc. Told to wait again on mail...

Fast forward to late September now. Boom, here comes my letter. Hmmm, turns out they can't give me a personal number because I need to apply to the migration board first. OK, maybe I did something wrong. I follow the directions and off to Gävle I go. I arrive at the migration agency and something doesn't seem right. It's all Syrians and North Africans here... none the less, I wait in line, these guys were actually fast. Only took an hour. Damn, turns out the tax agency sent me to the refugee center. Those crafty buggers... so, I'm directed to the migration agency in Uppsala. Damn, that's far away. Ah well, on the train I go. Imagine my suprise when they tell me all I have to do is fill out a form online. Alright, back on the train and back up north we go.

Time to full out another form, I'm getting good at this now... Time to wait a couple more weeks. Ah, progress is being made. Plot twist, turns out that because I'm a EU citizen, I have right of residency. Ohhh, you tricky government agents. Well played... well played. So, I'm off to the tax agency tomorrow to do the exact same thing I did in July.

Well, that's long a read. Hope you enjoyed my journey to moving to Sweden. Oh, btw, I'm attending SFI and they just gave me a personal number? They said I can use that until I get my real one? I have no idea what's even real anymore.


Had you arrived approximately 6/7 years ago, this would have never happened.
Sweden was once upon a time, orderly. Almost too orderly...But this is before the crisis and incompetent politicians.

Now, it is a complete joke.
Going to Skatteverket for any regard, used to be MAX 30 mins to be seen.

FYI - I know someone who recently moved from UK with husband, SFI was a 6 month wait.
I remember it was usually a week or two wait.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 24.Nov.2017, 04:10 AM

Nope, I disagree Svedallas. My wife moved to SE in 2006 and then Migrationsverket would give you three different answers to the same damn question. Once we were assigned a case office it was easy. I worked for the government years ago and I know how to get on their right side.

Avoid using the phone, it's too easy for them to hide. Visit personally, even if the drive and queuing is a PITA.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 24.Nov.2017, 04:12 AM

Now VISA processing in the UK - that is one hell of an experience. All outsourced to India and impossible to get any sense out of them, even while paying premium rates for the phone call.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Nov.2017, 04:20 AM

"it's just that people don't tend to post about everything going smoothly."


TheLocal rarely gets posts from people, happy with their lot in Sweden...

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Nov.2017, 05:16 AM

Well, I'll continue to update you on my never ending quest. I'm off to the tax agency in 5 hours when they open.

Posted by: bonviveur 24.Nov.2017, 08:09 AM

my advice would be do as much as possible online, thats after you set up bank id, good luck

Posted by: Tenacious185 24.Nov.2017, 09:52 AM

I laughed out loud reading your story. Not because I think it's funny that you have been through hell...at all...but Jesus, the lunacy of it all. I moved here three years ago, and I had absolutely zero problems with either Skatteverket or Migrationsverket. Now my bank on the other hand - they're a pain in the ass, but the government agencies were ok for me. (Luckily - I realize this is not the case for everyone.)

I hope the rest of your transition goes a bit smoother.

Posted by: Gjeebes 24.Nov.2017, 10:16 AM

"...three years ago..."

That was pre-"open borders immigration disaster". Odds were better then. : )

Posted by: Sthlm83 24.Nov.2017, 10:27 AM

Just to add some perspective – how many people complaining here have tried the same process in their home countries? Not saying there aren't any issues in Sweden (obviously there are), but when my ex and I moved to Sweden a few years ago we had zero issues what so ever dealing with either migrationsverket or skatteverket. However, applying for a simple visitors visa to the UK was one of the most surreal experiences of my life and I'm sure it shortened my life expectancy with a couple of years... tongue.gif

Posted by: Tenacious185 24.Nov.2017, 10:46 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 24.Nov.2017, 10:16 AM) *
"...three years ago..."

That was pre-"open borders immigration disaster". Odds were better then. : )

I'm sure that makes a difference. It was already crowded as fook in Stockholm, but I definitely can see the difference, everywhere, between then and now. And absolutely when I came for my first visit in 2010 - it almost feels like there were half as many people here then...

Posted by: Svedallas 24.Nov.2017, 10:51 AM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 24.Nov.2017, 04:10 AM) *
Nope, I disagree Svedallas. My wife moved to SE in 2006 and then Migrationsverket would give you three different answers to the same damn question. Once we were assigned a case office it was easy. I worked for the government years ago and I know how to get on their right side.

Avoid using the phone, it's too easy for them to hide. Visit personally, even if the drive and queuing is a PITA.


I would say anything but MV then. After seeing some stories, I cannot imagine what it is like now.

(Sigh...I miss the old Sweden...laugh.gif )

Posted by: Gjeebes 24.Nov.2017, 10:57 AM

"TheLocal rarely gets posts from people, happy with their lot in Sweden..."

Old Gamla crack-head is still in the honeymoon phase when it comes to Sweden...but that's just because he's never lived in Sweden. He has family here, who we all assume he tries to impress with his constant discontent of reading how people who actually live here, are discontent.

As for other countries' experiences, it depends on: the country you are from, personal relationships (nation/non-national), criminal history, student/worker, etc etc etc. So comparing the experience of country A, and country B, doesn't mean, anything.

And then having said that, here is a brief summary of living in these EU countries, as a non-EU national:

Germany - easy peasie lemon squeasie - lived in Berlin in the 90's, and in Oldenburg in the 00's. Schengen rules for the former, UK visa (access to EU) for the latter. No problems.

UK -easy peasie lemon squeezie - student visa for PhD - not 1 single problem, ever! Fast, efficient, easy.

Finland - ask for required forms for continuous residence; received in post 1 day later. Sent back 1 day later, passport returned in 4 days, with permit. Fast, efficient, easy.

France - convoluted as fuck; a disaster comparable to Sweden, the difference being France actually does have a significant population, and knowledgeable people. Delays are a function of permanent positions given out like candy to knowledgeable staff who simply have no consequence if they do not function, whereas in Sweden, the staff simply don't know what the fuck they are doing, and any expectation of "function" does not exist. - 6 month Marie-Curie post-doc at CNRS - received work permit 2 weeks before I left the country; makes for a nice souvenir.

Sweden - convoluted and confusing as fuck. Questions answered differently each time asked, extremely under-educated staff (do they have "any" qualifications?), who are often easily confused by their own rules. Inefficient, confusing, long wait times, lost paperwork (thanks MV), delays, general retardedness, and general mediocrity (a compliment).

Home country - one of the best, but now too suffering from hard-left empty virtue-signalling socialist regressions.

Posted by: Svedallas 24.Nov.2017, 11:32 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 24.Nov.2017, 10:57 AM) *
"TheLocal rarely gets posts from people, happy with their lot in Sweden..."

Old Gamla crack-head is still in the honeymoon phase when it comes to Sweden...but that's just because he's never lived in Sweden. He has family here, who we all assume he tries to impress with his constant discontent of reading how people who actually live here, are discontent.

As for other countries' experiences, it depends on: the country you are from, personal relationships (nation/non-national), criminal history, student/worker, etc etc etc. So comparing the experience of country A, and country B, doesn't mean, anything.

And then having said that, here is a brief summary of living in these EU countries, as a non-EU national:

Germany - easy peasie lemon squeasie - lived in Berlin in the 90's, and in Oldenburg in the 00's. Schengen rules for the former, UK visa (access to EU) for the latter. No problems.

UK -easy peasie lemon squeezie - student visa for PhD - not 1 single problem, ever! Fast, efficient, easy.

Finland - ask for required forms for continuous residence; received in post 1 day later. Sent back 1 day later, passport returned in 4 days, with permit. Fast, efficient, easy.

France - convoluted as fuck; a disaster comparable to Sweden, the difference being France actually does have a significant population, and knowledgeable people. Delays are a function of permanent positions given out like candy to knowledgeable staff who simply have no consequence if they do not function, whereas in Sweden, the staff simply don't know what the fuck they are doing, and any expectation of "function" does not exist. - 6 month Marie-Curie post-doc at CNRS - received work permit 2 weeks before I left the country; makes for a nice souvenir.

Sweden - convoluted and confusing as fuck. Questions answered differently each time asked, extremely under-educated staff (do they have "any" qualifications?), who are often easily confused by their own rules. Inefficient, confusing, long wait times, lost paperwork (thanks MV), delays, general retardedness, and general mediocrity (a compliment).

Home country - one of the best, but now too suffering from hard-left empty virtue-signalling socialist regressions.


I heard Italy is one of the worst.
Dealing with Agencies has a rule of thumb - you never call once. Each answer will be completely different. And like multiple choice, you have to decide which one might be the right one. It has always been like that.

Having been to America for a few times, I would rather take any of these issues, than to deal with their system.


Sweden will either get better or get worse. I think right now has been one of the lowest points, on many levels. But we just wait and see after elections...

Posted by: Gjeebes 24.Nov.2017, 12:13 PM

"I heard Italy is one of the worst."

Haha, try Russia! Even just to visit, you will NEVER have the, ahem, "most correct and up-to-date" paperwork. Which is just another way of saying, make sure you carry plenty of cash in your pocket, and have it at the ready.

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Nov.2017, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (Sthlm83 @ 24.Nov.2017, 10:27 AM) *
Just to add some perspective – how many people complaining here have tried the same process in their home countries?


We lived in my country before we moved here. Bermuda, it's a British Colony in the upper Carribean. The only issues I've ever had there is that the women who work at all the agencies have really bad attitudes. And if you don't say good morning or good afternoon to them, they will get really annoyed with you. It's some weird Bermudian tradition to say good morning/afternoon etc to everyone you meet. Otherwise it's considered rude.

Besides that... nothing. Bermuda has the strictest immigration laws in the world except for maybe North Korea. Being born in Bermuda means nothing, the only way to get status up until the 90's was if your father was Bermudian. Even now, there are people who have worked there for 30+ years on permits who have no right of residency.

As for our experience moving there. My wife flew in, showed our marriage certificate at the airport customs. In she came, we went to the immigration department. We were told that as long as we're married, she can live here, work here and own her own businesses etc. After 10 years she can get status, and here's your social insurance number (personal number). It was that easy...

Here I am in Sweden with a Swedish wife and Swedish daughter for almost 6 months and no progress has been made.

Posted by: Svedallas 24.Nov.2017, 02:58 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Nov.2017, 02:34 PM) *
We lived in my country before we moved here. Bermuda, it's a British Colony in the upper Carribean. The only issues I've ever had there is that the women who work at all the agencies have really bad attitudes. And if you don't say good morning or good afternoon to them, they will get really annoyed with you. It's some weird Bermudian tradition to say good morning/afternoon etc to everyone you meet. Otherwise it's considered rude.

Besides that... nothing. Bermuda has the strictest immigration laws in the world except for maybe North Korea. Being born in Bermuda means nothing, the only way to get status up until the 90's was if your father was Bermudian. Even now, there are people who have worked there for 30+ years on permits who have no right of residency.

As for our experience moving there. My wife flew in, showed our marriage certificate at the airport customs. In she came, we went to the immigration department. We were told that as long as we're married, she can live here, work here and own her own businesses etc. After 10 years she can get status, and here's your social insurance number (personal number). It was that easy...

Here I am in Sweden with a Swedish wife and Swedish daughter for almost 6 months and no progress has been made.


Well, you will be glad to know the same "hej" applies when crossing path neighbors.
It is customary.

6 months is a hard stretch to be fair and an expensive wait.

I do suggest that you either do a search in the forums with tips, and if dealing with a specific agency, dial first, and get first hand information. And a second confirmation (as they never have the same answer).

Many foreigners in Sweden dislike the agencies, but many of the people are in fact, very nice, and willing to help.

Best of luck to you!

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Nov.2017, 04:14 PM

***update

So, the tax agency said I need to go back to the migration agency again. Cool beans, we've gone full circle now. I informed her that the place she's sending me to is actually a refugee center. So, I have to go back to Uppsala again. And then she gave me some bullshit excuse about Brexit and they don't know what to do with me because of it. So I was told to check back in a few weeks when she can "get some answers".

Posted by: Apache001 24.Nov.2017, 04:55 PM

Sweden as of today may slow down your life if you are not careful. They are operating under jante law with no pressure whatsoever as any little job pressure can make Swedes “enter the wall” and take days off work for stress.

Amazing how fast some of my friends in other developed nations are moving fast to become managers on merit.

Someone once told me if we treat applications so fast then we would run out of jobs fast. My friends who have been able to fix things fast here have done so by physically going to the office and ask to speak with the boss, the speed your case will be treated is amazing.

When you call Emma in a government agency and the reply you get on the machine every time is “she will be back in the office on Wednesday null nio null null “09:00, it happens a lot in Sweden.

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Nov.2017, 05:24 PM

It's honestly one of the worst systems ever invented. You can't get a job unless you speak Swedish, you can't go to SFI without a personnummer, and you can't get one without a job. Lol...

Lucky for me the guy at SFI gave me a fake personnummer, otherwise I wouldn't even be attending SFI right now. Which I must say is a joke as well.

We use Sweol website to do tests and so on. I have a 97% pass rate compared to the rest of the class with an average of 66%. They've failed me 3 times now and I have to attend the same class again in December. I honestly don't understand how to progress. The teacher even calls on me to translate for her because her English is bad. But the Afgan girl who doesn't even know the abc's passed and moved to the next class. I'm slowly getting more and more fed up with the system here. I've reached out to my Sgts at my old regiment and I'm considering reenlisting again and moving back to the UK if nothing improves by the New year.

Posted by: Svedallas 24.Nov.2017, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Nov.2017, 05:24 PM) *
It's honestly one of the worst systems ever invented. You can't get a job unless you speak Swedish, you can't go to SFI without a personnummer, and you can't get one without a job. Lol...

Lucky for me the guy at SFI gave me a fake personnummer, otherwise I wouldn't even be attending SFI right now. Which I must say is a joke as well.

We use Sweol website to do tests and so on. I have a 97% pass rate compared to the rest of the class with an average of 66%. They've failed me 3 times now and I have to attend the same class again in December. I honestly don't understand how to progress. The teacher even calls on me to translate for her because her English is bad. But the Afgan girl who doesn't even know the abc's passed and moved to the next class. I'm slowly getting more and more fed up with the system here. I've reached out to my Sgts at my old regiment and I'm considering reenlisting again and moving back to the UK if nothing improves by the New year.


There is no such thing as a fake personummer.

Posted by: Svedallas 24.Nov.2017, 05:42 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Nov.2017, 04:14 PM) *
***update

So, the tax agency said I need to go back to the migration agency again. Cool beans, we've gone full circle now. I informed her that the place she's sending me to is actually a refugee center. So, I have to go back to Uppsala again. And then she gave me some bullshit excuse about Brexit and they don't know what to do with me because of it. So I was told to check back in a few weeks when she can "get some answers".


I would advice to call or to email.
Or you will waste a lot of time going back and forth.

6 months, is just ridiculous.

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Nov.2017, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 24.Nov.2017, 05:40 PM) *
There is no such thing as a fake personummer.


The principal or director or whatever you would call him at SFI gave me a personal number so I can attend school. It's not mine, so I'm calling it a fake one lol. Sorry if there was any confusion.

And to the other guy. I have emailed several times and sent all the info they asked for. Never receiveda reply. The lady today says the women I emailed doesn't work there anymore.

Posted by: RAFS 24.Nov.2017, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Nov.2017, 04:14 PM) *
she gave me some bullshit excuse about Brexit and they don't know what to do with me because of it


Yes, that is a bullshit excuse and you should have called her on it. Your legal status is no different to any other EU citizen during the Brexit transition period.

It helps to do your research properly and know your rights. For example, you really should have known the rules on EU citizens' right of residence before going in. If you still don't know them then do your research before you proceed. Don't ask SV or MV staff. Figure out for yourself whether you actually have right of residence or not and tell them.

If you do have right of residence, you should be able to prove it to SV. If you don't then you will need a residence permit from MV and until you get that talking to SV is a waste of time.

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Nov.2017, 06:10 PM

QUOTE (RAFS @ 24.Nov.2017, 06:01 PM) *
Yes, that is a bullshit excuse and you should have called her on it. Your legal status is no different to any other EU citizen during the Brexit transition period.

It helps to do your research properly and know your rights. For example, you really should have known the rules on EU citizens' right of residence before going in. If you still don't know them then do your research before you proceed. Don't ask SV or MV staff. Figure out for yourself whether you actually have right of residence or not and tell them.

If you do have right of residence, you should be able to prove it to SV. If you don't then you will need a residence permit from MV and until you get that talking to SV is a waste of time.


Mate, I told her I have right of residency. I've produced my British passport everytime they've asked. I've proved I have sufficient money to live here. I've been here 6 months now but it doesn't seem to matter. They just say that I need to prove that I'm going to stay for 6 more months before they can give me a temporary personal number. I've been married to a Swed for 2 years, we've lived together. I can't log onto her work PC and just do it myself or I would. Everytime I apply they just send me back to migration agency or simply send me a letter weeks later saying I'm denied. Wtf am I supposed to do?

Posted by: Gjeebes 24.Nov.2017, 07:29 PM

"Wtf am I supposed to do?"

Leave.

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Nov.2017, 08:02 PM

Should I contact the British embassy? Would they be able to help in anyway?

Posted by: Martin565 24.Nov.2017, 08:11 PM

Sorry to hear your problems,im a uk citizen trying to move to live with my girlfriend im just starting the process i went to mv the first staff person told me because im an u citizen i dont need to register here then the next woman at the desk 10 minutes later said i need to start an application for residency i had to fill out a massive form and they took fingerprints and photos and said i need to do an interview with them either at swedish embassy in uk or when im next over in sweden in december,then when i went to tax agency they said i need to bring passport proof of sufficent forms to support myself and health insurance i said pvt insurance they said yes i bought it and then i was told pvt insurance is not accepatble form of cover for me i need to get an s1 health cover from the uk i applied to them they refused to permit me one because they said once i move out of the uk they wont cover me,ive only been at it 4 weeks and its already doing my nut in.

Posted by: RAFS 24.Nov.2017, 08:26 PM

QUOTE
They just say that I need to prove that I'm going to stay for 6 more months before they can give me a temporary personal number.


Unfortunately they're technically right on this point. AFAIK, you're only really entitled, by law, to be registered after you have been here for 12 months (with right of residence or a residence permit the entire time). SV exercises their discretion to register you before that if they're satisfied that you will stay for that long and if they don't want to do that, you probably can't force them to.

If you do have right of residence then going to MV is still pointless, because getting a residence permit on the basis of a relationship is likely to take way more than 6 months.

Maybe someone more experienced can weigh in, but to me it looks like your options are:

1) Just wait another 6 months - but note that you'll then still have to deal with the "comprehensive health insurance" issue.
2) Enroll in a course of study that lasts 12 months or more. Also need health insurance.
3) Get a job. It can be a really shitty job, as long as it's for 12 months or more. You can quit as soon as you have your personnummer. No need for health insurance then.
4) Start your own business. Like the job, it only needs to be "serious" enough to show to SV. No need for health insurance.
5) Apply for a residence permit. This will take the longest, but won't require health insurance and if you succeed SV will definitely register you.

Posted by: Apache001 24.Nov.2017, 09:36 PM

Swedes are not straight forward people by nature that’s why they use the word “kanske” a lot, infact a Swede told me that even though they gave German free passage during the war, they still ended up acting neutral. So be prepared to deal with zig zag approach from them only for the person you spoke with to deny ever telling you whatever they told you.

The best way to deal with Swedes and the system is to go along with a printed copy of the law from riksdag and show them, otherwise they will keep on confusing and delaying you, tell them you are recording this conversation as evidence and will hold the person responsible for any mistakes.

Watch how they start acting all normal and start supplying you with all the right information you need. Never you take their words seriously unless they can write it down in an email or record the conversation. The government also records conversation also, so it’s a systemic thing.

This has worked for me a lot here and I learnt this after a long time.

Posted by: Gjeebes 25.Nov.2017, 09:46 AM

"kanske" is also the state directed default. Swedes don't think for themselves, they wait to be directed how to think, about everything. Such behaviour has been normalised over decades, resulting in the very Swedish "empty-shell" syndrome.

And do not underestimate the power of "shaming" in Sweden. It is the only way to get some action happening. Sad but true. Apache is correct, the threat, even if only subtle, of "shame", and not the secret kind, but possibly the very public demonstration thereof, will make any Swede jump into action (yet still, even when giving it their all, don't expect too much).

A Swede's worst nightmare is to feel that they have been exposed for the lazy, useless, unthoughtful, confused and generally ignorant tots they often are. And they get away with this generally because they can depend on the fact that most, if not all, Swedes would never challenge them (socially taboo), for the same reasons (but with a dash of incompetence lined by a general lack of confidence), with the additional caveat that they are mortified by the thought of "conflict".

Any threat to their perceived feeling of "belonging" and "social acceptance" will drive them insane. They will do just about anything to prevent that; yes, even getting their job done finally.

Use it to your advantage! They will do their job, get it done, if for no other reason than just to get rid of you, and the desperate anxiety you have caused them, by simply expecting them to do the job they are being PAID to do!

Posted by: Tenacious185 25.Nov.2017, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 25.Nov.2017, 09:46 AM) *
"kanske" is also the state directed default. Swedes don't think for themselves, they wait to be directed how to think, about everything. Such behaviour has been normalised over decades, resulting in the very Swedish "empty-shell" syndrome.

And do not underestimate the power of "shaming" in Sweden. It is the only way to get some action happening. Sad but true. Apache is correct, the threat, even if only subtle, of "shame", and not the secret kind, but possibly the very public demonstration thereof, will make any Swede jump into action (yet still, even when giving it their all, don't expect too much).

A Swede's worst nightmare is to feel that they have been exposed for the lazy, useless, unthoughtful, confused and generally ignorant tots they often are. And they get away with this generally because they can depend on the fact that most, if not all, Swedes would never challenge them (socially taboo), for the same reasons (but with a dash of incompetence lined by a general lack of confidence), with the additional caveat that they are mortified by the thought of "conflict".

Any threat to their perceived feeling of "belonging" and "social acceptance" will drive them insane. They will do just about anything to prevent that; yes, even getting their job done finally.

Use it to your advantage! They will do their job, get it done, if for no other reason than just to get rid of you, and the desperate anxiety you have caused them, by simply expecting them to do the job they are being PAID to do!


+200

Posted by: bonviveur 25.Nov.2017, 03:39 PM

best choice would be to get a job and then apply for personnumer as EU citizen with a job in Sweden, thats the easiest way to get personnumer I know.
if temporary personnumer is fine for you, simply go to job centre and demand it, they must request it from skateverket and give it to you by law. good luck

Posted by: Paladine 25.Nov.2017, 10:16 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 23.Nov.2017, 08:10 PM) *
Well, I'm curious to hear if anyone else has enjoyed Swedish bureaucracy?

I've been visiting Sweden for the past 5 years or so. I met a Swedish girl and dated for a while, a lot of back and forth between countries. 2 months in Sweden, 2 months in Bermuda,etc. We got married and were expecting a baby so we decided to move to Sweden. I finished up my military service and officially moved in July.

Välkommen till hellvete...er... I mean Sverige.

Well, it seemed easy enough. I'm British and hold a EU passport. According to the government website, I just had to go and register with the tax agency. Cool, went in July. Waited in line for 3 hours. They had 4 desks available to help people, but no one in front of me spoke english or Swedish. So every line had to wait on the one translator they had available. They took a copy of my passport, marriage certificate, etc. They told me a letter would come in the mail with my personal number. Alright, that wasn't too bad...

Wrong... late August, as in the last week. I received a letter. Well, considering my name was spelled completely wrong, I didn't expect much. How do you mess up copying a 5 letter name from a passport? Not actually spelt wrong, as in a typo, they added completely new characters to it. Well, turns out I have to go back to the tax agency. Because my wife lived with me in my country, we had to prove we actually lived together and that I wasn't forcing her to stay against her will. Fair enough, that seems like a bad thing. So, off I go again... wait in line for 2 hours. They take my passport and birth cirtificate, marriage certificate etc again. Show them papers of our apartment lease, joint bank accounts etc. Told to wait again on mail...

Fast forward to late September now. Boom, here comes my letter. Hmmm, turns out they can't give me a personal number because I need to apply to the migration board first. OK, maybe I did something wrong. I follow the directions and off to Gävle I go. I arrive at the migration agency and something doesn't seem right. It's all Syrians and North Africans here... none the less, I wait in line, these guys were actually fast. Only took an hour. Damn, turns out the tax agency sent me to the refugee center. Those crafty buggers... so, I'm directed to the migration agency in Uppsala. Damn, that's far away. Ah well, on the train I go. Imagine my suprise when they tell me all I have to do is fill out a form online. Alright, back on the train and back up north we go.

Time to full out another form, I'm getting good at this now... Time to wait a couple more weeks. Ah, progress is being made. Plot twist, turns out that because I'm a EU citizen, I have right of residency. Ohhh, you tricky government agents. Well played... well played. So, I'm off to the tax agency tomorrow to do the exact same thing I did in July.

Well, that's long a read. Hope you enjoyed my journey to moving to Sweden. Oh, btw, I'm attending SFI and they just gave me a personal number? They said I can use that until I get my real one? I have no idea what's even real anymore.


I am British but spent last 5 years living in Poland. Got married to my fiancee in March, moved to Sweden July 1st. Went to tax office in Avesta my first week with passport and marriage certificate both my wife's and my person number was delivered by post 5 days later. Have Swedish bank account, credit card, utilities etc.

So it just goes to show that actually it can be very straight forward and simple.

Posted by: Billy_UK 26.Nov.2017, 02:55 PM

Moved here 4 years ago and never had any problems. Did a bit of research when i got here to see if applying for right of residency as an EU citizen or via the "sambo visa" route was the best option and opted for the latter. I filled out the form and sent it off and went to collect my temporary permit from the migration board 3 months later. I then went to Skatteverket after that to sort out my personnummer and received that within two weeks.

Posted by: SmokerT69 29.Nov.2017, 12:53 PM

Well... some good news. I found out why I was failing SFI. Why they held me back for 2 months now. On the test I was spelling the Swedish word for key, as nickel instead of nyckel. I shit you not... had to repeat the class for twice because of a simple spelling mistake. I went to a different teacher this time to take the test to see if it would make a difference. Besides that, the only other thing I got wrong was I forgot to put a circle above the a for the word spring, vår.

What the actual fuck Sweden...

No news on the tax agency. Going back tomorrow to see if they have "figured" out what to do about Brexit lol.

Question for you guys, could I not just apply for citizenship through my daughter or wife? Would that be easier than trying to get a personummer the way I have been going about it.

Posted by: Svedallas 29.Nov.2017, 12:59 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 29.Nov.2017, 12:53 PM) *
Well... some good news. I found out why I was failing SFI. Why they held me back for 2 months now. On the test I was spelling the Swedish word for key, as nickel instead of nyckel. I shit you not... had to repeat the class for twice because of a simple spelling mistake. I went to a different teacher this time to take the test to see if it would make a difference. Besides that, the only other thing I got wrong was I forgot to put a circle above the a for the word spring, vår.

What the actual fuck Sweden...

No news on the tax agency. Going back tomorrow to see if they have "figured" out what to do about Brexit lol.

Question for you guys, could I not just apply for citizenship through my daughter or wife? Would that be easier than trying to get a personummer the way I have been going about it.


Are you serious, that you repeated the class twice?? Well, you must be fluent by now then...

You cannot get citizenship until you meet the residency requirement, marriage can shorten time, but you still need to reside. I think there is an exemption when you are married for like 10/15 years or something like that... and reside outside Sweden.

This is one interesting story.
Great updates. And good luck!

Posted by: SmokerT69 29.Nov.2017, 05:18 PM

Not the entire class. SFI is split into different levels. I am in the second last class because I had enough education to skip all the rest. It can be as quick as 1 month in each class level. I just have to complete the next level and technically I'm done with SFI. Then I can move onto college classes or something if I understand correctly.

Ah ok. In Bermuda, as long as you're married you can stay and own a business, work etc without a permit. And if you get divorced you can stay until your child is 22.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 30.Nov.2017, 03:16 AM

I could not love a woman enough to come back to Sweden, even if she woke me every morning with a BJ, because the other 23 hours and 50 minutes I'd be a second class citizen. You either have to come from a 3rd World country to accept this nonsense or have the personality of a librarian tree-hugging feminist to fit in.

Posted by: Svedallas 30.Nov.2017, 08:52 AM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 30.Nov.2017, 03:16 AM) *
I could not love a woman enough to come back to Sweden, even if she woke me every morning with a BJ, because the other 23 hours and 50 minutes I'd be a second class citizen. You either have to come from a 3rd World country to accept this nonsense or have the personality of a librarian tree-hugging feminist to fit in.


laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: SmokerT69 11.Jan.2018, 04:49 PM

Well here we are on month 8 now. I finally received a letter from the tax agency. This is what I got... Not sure what to make of it?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/289781768993767433/401037975317774337/sweden.png

I shared it on my discord group to see if any of the other Swedes could help. Hopefully you can see it and I don't have to re-upload it to imgur or something.

My wife couldn't translate it to me too well, neither could anyone else I asked. From what I understand, they want me to prove that my wife was in another country? I really don't understand what this has to do with me getting a personnumer here in Sweden... Can anyone offer their expertise?

Posted by: lysz 11.Jan.2018, 08:51 PM

It looks like they are processing you as a residency application on the grounds of being married to a Swede (which you shouldn't need as an EU citizen). They appear to want you to send them proof that your wife lived in UK territory with you e.g her job contract there, rental contract there etc. It rather looks like they are confused either by Brexit or by Bermuda being UK. Maybe both. I went to download a Swedish form for EU residents and couldn't find Great Britain under the list of EU countries. Puzzled I checked out the list of non-EU countries and there was Great Britain. It seems some of the Swedish bureaucracy at least thinks we have already left the EU!

Posted by: Tenacious185 11.Jan.2018, 08:55 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 30.Nov.2017, 03:16 AM) *
I could not love a woman enough to come back to Sweden, even if she woke me every morning with a BJ, because the other 23 hours and 50 minutes I'd be a second class citizen. You either have to come from a 3rd World country to accept this nonsense or have the personality of a librarian tree-hugging feminist to fit in.

laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif

If it takes her a full ten minutes to finish you off, then you married the wrong woman.

The right woman would be worth feeling like a second class citizen for, for at least 23 hours and 57 minutes per day. Tops.

Moot point, probably, because those 3 minutes would leave you feeling like a king all damn day. The rest of Sweden wouldn't matter.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 11.Jan.2018, 09:43 PM

Good heavens!!!

The forum is being overrun by rampant "salaciousness" laugh.gif

Posted by: RAFS 11.Jan.2018, 10:11 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 11.Jan.2018, 04:49 PM) *
From what I understand, they want me to prove that my wife was in another country? I really don't understand what this has to do with me getting a personnumer here in Sweden... Can anyone offer their expertise?


This is just a guess and by no means "expertise", but they may be treating you as a "family member of EU citizen with right of residence in Sweden", as you have not convinced them that you have right of residence yourself.

QUOTE
The right of residence of your family depends on you having right of residence by working, studying, being self-employed or living on your pension or other sufficient means for supporting your family.

Swedes are normally not considered EU citizens in this context, but Swedes who have recently lived in another EU country can be included in the group of people to whom the rules for right of residence apply.


https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/Private-individuals/EU-citizens-and-long-term-residents/Work-study-or-live-in-Sweden-for-EU-citizens/Right-of-residence-for-family-who-are-EU-citizens.html

Posted by: Tenacious185 11.Jan.2018, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 11.Jan.2018, 09:43 PM) *
Good heavens!!!

The forum is being overrun by rampant "salaciousness" laugh.gif

At some point it just gets so heavy, you've gotta start clowning around! laugh.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 11.Jan.2018, 11:09 PM

You mean you were not serious???

OMG!!!

I misjudged you... laugh.gif

Posted by: Tenacious185 12.Jan.2018, 04:50 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 11.Jan.2018, 11:09 PM) *
You mean you were not serious???

OMG!!!

I misjudged you... laugh.gif

Joking, with a strong undercurrent of seriousness. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Jan.2018, 05:14 AM

Like the old saying: Many a true thing, is told in jest... Not a direct quote, but close unsure.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: SmokerT69 12.Jan.2018, 05:15 AM

QUOTE (lysz @ 11.Jan.2018, 08:51 PM) *
It looks like they are processing you as a residency application on the grounds of being married to a Swede (which you shouldn't need as an EU citizen). They appear to want you to send them proof that your wife lived in UK territory with you e.g her job contract there, rental contract there etc. It rather looks like they are confused either by Brexit or by Bermuda being UK. Maybe both. I went to download a Swedish form for EU residents and couldn't find Great Britain under the list of EU countries. Puzzled I checked out the list of non-EU countries and there was Great Britain. It seems some of the Swedish bureaucracy at least thinks we have already left the EU!


huh... I guess that goes with what they said earlier. That they can't do anything because of Brexit. Which still makes no sense to me.

Not really sure how we can prove my wife and I lived together in the UK, Bermuda. According to Bermuda law, as long as you're married, you don't have to apply for anything. You are treated the same as a Bermudian citizen by simply just showing your marriage certificate. So you don't need work permits or visas, etc. As a spouse of a Bermudian, she can own land, work, own her own business and stay indefinitely.

During her time in Bermuda, I was in the army, and she wasn't working. I was supporting her... So she had no expenses besides the occasional taxi or hanging out in the city with friends. Really, the only evidence we have that she was even there is her British Airway ticket and our joint bank account at the Bank of Bermuda.

Posted by: SmokerT69 12.Jan.2018, 05:27 AM

QUOTE (RAFS @ 11.Jan.2018, 10:11 PM) *
This is just a guess and by no means "expertise", but they may be treating you as a "family member of EU citizen with right of residence in Sweden", as you have not convinced them that you have right of residence yourself.


I honestly no longer know how to prove it to them. Everything they have asked me, I have done. I've been here for 8 months now without working, living in the center of my city in a 4 bedroom flat. If I couldn't afford it, I would of long been gone lol. Does that not prove I have sufficient means to support myself? Considering heading back to Bermuda to work for a bit now though. Getting out of shape, and I'm honestly getting bored. Just doing SFI and playing video games. No matter who I send my CV too, no one is interested. Every job offer I've had, they turned me down when I told them I don't have a personummer. I tried to explain that if they just let me work I could get the number. Doesn't matter.. Spoke to my SGT over new years and might just re-enlist for another few years. Sections of my regiment based around internal security are going full time now, so why not.

All in all, Sweden has been a massive disappointment.

Posted by: mjennin2 12.Jan.2018, 07:46 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Nov.2017, 04:20 AM) *
TheLocal rarely gets posts from people, happy with their lot in Sweden...

Looks like I need to step up my TL presence... wink.gif

Posted by: lysz 12.Jan.2018, 10:29 AM

Sounds a bit crazy but it may be worth a shot at taking them some evidence that UK hasn't actually left EU yet! There are some fact sheets on HMRC.gov.uk which state very clearly that UK residents rights in EU countries don't change until we actually leave EU on March 29th 2019. I haven't managed to find any info on Skatteverket yet about UK and Brexit. However this is a recent page from Skatteverket where they mention that UK is one of the 28 EU countries

https://www.skatteverket.se/privat/fastigheterochbostad/bostadiutlandet.4.233f91f71260075abe8800033670.html?q=Storbritannien

This one from Migrationsverket even has a lovely map clearly showing UK is EU

https://www.migrationsverket.se/Privatpersoner/EU-medborgare-och-varaktigt-bosatta/Arbeta-studera-eller-bo-i-Sverige-for-EU-medborgare.html

It also states that as an EU citizen you have automatic right to live and work in Sweden and do not need to visit MV but can just register for a personnummer.
Your wife can probably dig up more stuff from their websites for you.
Good luck!

Posted by: lysz 12.Jan.2018, 10:30 AM

The link for the HMRC page is

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/advice-for-british-nationals-travelling-and-living-in-europe

Posted by: SmokerT69 12.Jan.2018, 02:00 PM

Well, the guy I spoke to said I can't get a personummer because my wife didn't live in the UK long enough? He's suggested that I go and apply for a residency permit. He said as a EU member I automatically have right of residency. But perhaps I should apply anyway so I have a paper stating I have it. So I'm doing a right of residence form right now. Let's see how this works out.

Also, he said I can only stay in Sweden for 3 months at a time. I told him I've been here for 8. He said to just say I visited Denmark or Norway and came back lol... Also, since it's a new year, apparently it resets now anyway and I can do 3 months again?

Posted by: Apache001 12.Jan.2018, 03:08 PM

+5000 likes to Gjeebees last post.
Swedes love drama drama drama, endless drama, that’s the only way they catch their trips.
At the end when you finally point out all the mistakes they’ve made on your case, then they throw the popular slogan at you “this is how we do it in Sweden”, that’s an indirect way of telling you to shut up. I’m sure you have heard the advert on radio “like we say in Sweden tar det lugnt. Only time Swedes don’t follow this tar det lugnt rule is when they are the ones at the receiving end, you would be amazed at the desperation they display.

This system will cripple you and that’s why many people here are so depressed and on medication. Just look at all the frustration you are going through even with a Swedish wife and baby, this is a callous misuse of office power. Systems are supposed to be built for ease.

Instead of right of residence application as EU citizen, can’t you just submit a family sambo or marriage application as I’m sure your wife has a personnummer, and you have a spacious apartment and some money in the bank.

Don’t take this lightly with them, 8 months is not a joke. Find the number of the director of MV and call him, with Swedes you need to drag them to the public eye before they start performing.
I’m sure an average Swede would laugh if you narrated your story to him, because as ethnic Swedes they know the particular Swedish unwritten societal mentality that’s at play at every given situations, at least that’s my experience when I chat with them, you are going to be so perplexed when they break it fully down for you. Swedes are special people who have a big ego of not making mistakes, so use that to your advantage in any way you can.
I hope things work out fine for you.
Välkommen till Sverige

Posted by: mjennin2 12.Jan.2018, 03:31 PM

I think the really important lesson in all of this is that you just need to do your homework and know exactly what you are entitled to / need to do.

Not saying it should be like that, but all of this heartache and statements like how people are on antidepressants in this country because the "system is crippling", is more indicative of not doing proper research before making huge life changing moves.

Again - it shouldn't be that way, but I think this is a good teaching point for anyone else reading this, that as an EU citizens you need only hop over to the SV website, make sure you understand what you're entitled to and what you need to do to prove/ensure you meet the qualifications (and have those webpages screenshot on your phone in case You need to reference them in your interactions with employees, as I have seen two friends need to do when filing for their paperwork), and push the process along.

I know that assuming you need to do other peoples' jobs to get shit done here is not ideal (lol), but it's an important side note to mention that you really just need to be your best advocate in this country, and you will have a much more desirable experience!

Posted by: Gjeebes 12.Jan.2018, 07:33 PM

Men-jiji menjiji, men-jiji menjiji...

"I know that assuming you need to do other peoples' jobs to get shit done here is not ideal (lol),"

Is not "ideal"? WTF planet are you from, Men-jiji?

Essentially Men-jiji is saying that you need to embrace something called "lowered-expectations", and general "mediocrity". These are Swedish traditions.

It isn't for everyone, but certainly, mentally abandoning concepts like "competence", "capability" and "effort" will certainly help you transition into your newly found Swedish "life" (if that's what you call it), sadly.

Posted by: Martian 14.Jan.2018, 02:03 PM

I laughed so f*cking hard reading this thread. It's not that I am laughing at your situation, you know how to present a horrible situation in a comic way and engage a reader from beginning till the end. The only thing I can say is to wish you all the best in your swedish endeavours.

Posted by: Gjeebes 15.Jan.2018, 07:00 AM

"...Not really sure how we can prove my wife and I lived together in the UK, Bermuda..."

OP, do you have tax declarations, for the both of you, for the periods they are reviewing?

This is what we use anytime we have had to prove our 15 years (with 11 years of marriage) relationship was "real".

And then any bills (rent, phone, electric, water etc) with both names, same address (kinda thing) should serve as evidence even the Meatballian "officials" won't become confused over.

Posted by: Svedallas 15.Jan.2018, 10:34 AM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 12.Jan.2018, 03:08 PM) *
+5000 likes to Gjeebees last post.
Swedes love drama drama drama, endless drama, that’s the only way they catch their trips.
At the end when you finally point out all the mistakes they’ve made on your case, then they throw the popular slogan at you “this is how we do it in Sweden”, that’s an indirect way of telling you to shut up. I’m sure you have heard the advert on radio “like we say in Sweden tar det lugnt. Only time Swedes don’t follow this tar det lugnt rule is when they are the ones at the receiving end, you would be amazed at the desperation they display.

This system will cripple you and that’s why many people here are so depressed and on medication. Just look at all the frustration you are going through even with a Swedish wife and baby, this is a callous misuse of office power. Systems are supposed to be built for ease.

Instead of right of residence application as EU citizen, can’t you just submit a family sambo or marriage application as I’m sure your wife has a personnummer, and you have a spacious apartment and some money in the bank.

Don’t take this lightly with them, 8 months is not a joke. Find the number of the director of MV and call him, with Swedes you need to drag them to the public eye before they start performing.
I’m sure an average Swede would laugh if you narrated your story to him, because as ethnic Swedes they know the particular Swedish unwritten societal mentality that’s at play at every given situations, at least that’s my experience when I chat with them, you are going to be so perplexed when they break it fully down for you. Swedes are special people who have a big ego of not making mistakes, so use that to your advantage in any way you can.
I hope things work out fine for you.
Välkommen till Sverige


Swedes are special people who have a big ego of not making mistakes, so use that to your advantage in any way you can.
+1 to this.

Mistakes are common. Very common.
And when caught, a sigh is given and most people say "it was a good learning lesson"...

Posted by: Svedallas 15.Jan.2018, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (mjennin2 @ 12.Jan.2018, 03:31 PM) *
I think the really important lesson in all of this is that you just need to do your homework and know exactly what you are entitled to / need to do.

Not saying it should be like that, but all of this heartache and statements like how people are on antidepressants in this country because the "system is crippling", is more indicative of not doing proper research before making huge life changing moves.

Again - it shouldn't be that way, but I think this is a good teaching point for anyone else reading this, that as an EU citizens you need only hop over to the SV website, make sure you understand what you're entitled to and what you need to do to prove/ensure you meet the qualifications (and have those webpages screenshot on your phone in case You need to reference them in your interactions with employees, as I have seen two friends need to do when filing for their paperwork), and push the process along.

I know that assuming you need to do other peoples' jobs to get shit done here is not ideal (lol), but it's an important side note to mention that you really just need to be your best advocate in this country, and you will have a much more desirable experience!


Are you Delusional?

Posted by: Gjeebes 15.Jan.2018, 10:59 AM

"Not saying it should be like that, but all of this heartache and statements like how people are on antidepressants in this country..."

Wow...maybe you just need to get out more...the majority of people of anti-depressants in Meatballia, are Meatballian, not foreign.

Posted by: mjennin2 15.Jan.2018, 02:37 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 15.Jan.2018, 10:38 AM) *
Are you Delusional?


I prefer the term "resourceful" or, at the very least, being "sufficiently prepared" because I am extremely impatient and like to get shit done, but I'm also very Type A and I do believe there are some who would find our ways delusional wink.gif Have you not seen the spreadsheet I created during my own migration wait to mine data? *nerd alert*

In any event, the lesson stands. The language about what needs to be done at SV is right there online. With all of these stories of Swedish bureaucracy floating around, is it not the least bit advisable to advocate for yourself so you aren't going back and forth all over the kingdom? Just take a couple screenshots and demand service. It would have saved a lot of mileage trekking all over the place.

But I mean this as no offense to OP of course and I do find what s/he has been through to absolutely suck. I've been giving the run around enough times back home to want to go postal plenty of times in my life. I suppose just for future reference, it's much easier and less painful to just approach these types of situations completely prepared. Done and done. Right? smile.gif

Posted by: Bsmith 15.Jan.2018, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (mjennin2 @ 15.Jan.2018, 02:37 PM) *
because I am extremely impatient and like to get shit done...


Hahaha, Sweden must drive you crazy at times.

Posted by: Svedallas 15.Jan.2018, 06:04 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 15.Jan.2018, 05:50 PM) *
Hahaha, Sweden must drive you crazy at times.


Haha I was going to say, how does one cope during Swedish vacations?
Clearly its a culture clash here... laugh.gif

Posted by: mjennin2 15.Jan.2018, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 15.Jan.2018, 05:50 PM) *
Hahaha, Sweden must drive you crazy at times.



QUOTE (Svedallas @ 15.Jan.2018, 06:04 PM) *
Haha I was going to say, how does one cope during Swedish vacations?
Clearly its a culture clash here... laugh.gif


You guys, I became a mom for the first time only 6 months after I moved to Sweden. My life has been so rocked by an 86cm toddler that literally nothing comes close to comparing to that wacko.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Svedallas 15.Jan.2018, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (mjennin2 @ 15.Jan.2018, 07:50 PM) *
You guys, I became a mom for the first time only 6 months after I moved to Sweden. My life has been so rocked by an 86cm toddler that literally nothing comes close to comparing to that wacko.gif laugh.gif


Clearly! Guess you were thrown really into the deep end...

Optimism is good, and in your case, was really needed. Kudos to you!!!! cool.gif

Posted by: SmokerT69 16.Jan.2018, 02:59 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 15.Jan.2018, 07:00 AM) *
"...Not really sure how we can prove my wife and I lived together in the UK, Bermuda..."

OP, do you have tax declarations, for the both of you, for the periods they are reviewing?

This is what we use anytime we have had to prove our 15 years (with 11 years of marriage) relationship was "real".

And then any bills (rent, phone, electric, water etc) with both names, same address (kinda thing) should serve as evidence even the Meatballian "officials" won't become confused over.


We lived in Bermuda, a tax haven. The only tax in Bermuda is a payroll tax 5% taken out of your wage. Since I was in the army, I didn't even have that.

Because my wife only needed a marriage certificate to be treated the same as an normal Bermudian, she didn't have to apply for any weird visas or papperwork. She applied for a few CNC jobs there but there's only a handful of jobs in CNC throughout the entire country. Nearly all small family business. So she was a house wife. Everything was in my name, house, bills etc. The only thing we had that was joint, was one of my bank accounts so she could take out money when she needed it.

Posted by: Gjeebes 16.Jan.2018, 06:47 AM

"The only tax in Bermuda is a payroll tax 5% taken out of your wage."

Hmmm. I fail to find any reason that could have motivated me to move from there, to here.

Knowing what you do of Bermuda, and now, having experienced Sweden, in all its "goodest" glory, do you feel you made the correct choice?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Jan.2018, 01:51 AM

And yet, they come...If Sweden is so bad, what was/is their home country like???

Posted by: intrepidfox 28.Jan.2018, 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Jan.2018, 01:51 AM) *
And yet, they come...If Sweden is so bad, what was/is their home country like???


Exactly. Most of the people moaning have chips on their shoulders and couldn´t even be satisfied in their own country. Just moaners

Posted by: gsurya 28.Jan.2018, 12:17 PM

QUOTE (SecondHandCountry @ 27.Jan.2018, 11:21 PM) *
Sweden is only good to build a career path in an important company that can give your CV the hype other companies are looking for. Then time to move on to a better place.


It must take a lot of bravery or self loathing to post such stuff publicly that makes you look like a completely whiner & loser biggrin.gif

Every country has its pros & cons, Sweden is one of the top 10 countries by many standards.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Jan.2018, 10:04 PM

It sounds like you are barely scraping by in a country you don't like when you could be barely scraping by in a country you love...

Posted by: Svedallas 28.Jan.2018, 10:35 PM

QUOTE (SecondHandCountry @ 28.Jan.2018, 09:21 PM) *
I live in sweden just for work, that's the only reason.

In my country I can do:

I don't find women scared of making eye contact with me.
We can start a conversation at the bus stop with a stranger.
People have more empathy.
Life is more affordable.
I am not judged by what I have.

In sweden:

I say hello to a woman who works at the supermarket, the same woman who I have seen for the last 2 years. She doesn't even look at me. She stares to infinity like a robot.

I say hello to a stranger at the bus stop, she doesn't even look at me. In fact I am so shocked that I say hello again thinking that she might not have heard me... No response, not even looking at me.

I see a elderly woman trying to grab a shopping cart but she cannot grab it because she is not too tall. All swedes around her doesn't even look at her or try to do anything. I grab a shopping cart for her. She smiles and says "there aren't so many kids like you".

I work with swedes but there is no connection I always get the feeling they always hide their opinions and they don't seem transparent. I make a joke and everybody remains calm, no laugh, no sense of humor. Just boring, attitude.

People ask me where I live, if I have a car, what kind of education I have, where I come from they ask me that not to chat with me but to tag me. This is very swedish. In sweden you are what you own.

Another problem about sweden is having to queue for an apartment when in my country I don't. Swedes normalize the situation but I tell that to my friends in my home land and they can't believe it.

This country is not healthy at all. Because this is a country where people brags that isolation is good. Where you cannot look at women because women don't look at anybody and behave like robotic beings. Panic faces if you dare to look at them. Or worse they ignore you.

I am on the bus and there isn't a single noise, not even small chattering. The whole country feels too quite, there is no emotion. I watch svt news and it feels like it there was a funeral. BORING.

In my country people are alive, you can make eye contact with a woman without feeling bad of the woman looking at you like if it was awkward.

At work people chat in a more relaxed way, there is more and better communication.

I don't have to queue 10 years for an apartment and the so called second-hand contracts are in my country long term that last 5-10 and even longer. Despite population density is higher in my country, finding stable long term apartment is a matter of weeks or if you are picky two months.

People have emotional conversations and they laugh without worrying what others might think.

We go out and cities are not so quite but the city feels alive.


I am in sweden because in my country it's very difficult to have job stability. In sweden I get paid twice the money and thanks to the lagom thing I work less than in my country. In my country I put 9-10 hours a day of work. In sweden, realistically I work less than 8 hours. Swedes have a very soft approach to work, they make fun or my country saying we are lazy but you swedes are actually the lazy ones.

In my country after a long day I wouldn't have enough energy to even go to the gym. Workload where I come from is really high. In sweden, swedes say that this or that day was really high work load but by my standards I am half throttle. I go home, I go to the gym, I read a book and still I have juice.

The average swede wants to make 40,000kr a month doing just one task and having as many fikas as possible. In my country we don't have time for fikas we work all day and we get paid less money. But hey!! we are lazy people..Right?!.

Sweden is not a paradise, it's actually a very stressful specially for new comers. sweden is a country where it's very difficult to establish, because you swedes are very good at making housing difficult to get. The second hand contracts are traps to get your money and where you live like a nomad. 1 year duration is the average then another, and another.

So you have engineered the first hand contracts which is wait until you die.

I am in sweden because I get paid more money and I work less, otherwise, if I had to work as much as I do in my country then I would move back to my country because down there life is WAY better despite the job limitations.

Swedes think that their country if flawless that they have superior standard of living but that is FALSE, the only advantage a swede have is that they have better job stability and better paid. that's it. There is no more.

In my country I can go out during winter without freezing to death. Education and healthcare are really good but unfortunately we don't have jobs for everybody.

If I had €100,000 in my bank account I would buy a ticket and get the hell out of sweden. Unfortunately I am not rich, I barely have money to pay the rent and I live pay after pay because housing takes most of my salary and finding cheaper, stable acomodation is simply IMPOSSIBLE no matter what people might say.

Housing in sweden is a TRAP and nasty business.

So sweden is not the best, not even close.



QUOTE (SecondHandCountry @ 28.Jan.2018, 09:36 PM) *
Calling me loser without knowing me, only shows how emotionally limited you are, which is not uncommon in your culture. As I said swedish culture is characterized for PASSIVE VIOLENCE.

Many people only move to sweden for job reasons. It's not being a loser, it's simply our circumstances makes us take the job even in countries like sweden.


Another moaner. I feel sorry for you...

Posted by: gsurya 28.Jan.2018, 11:51 PM

QUOTE (SecondHandCountry @ 28.Jan.2018, 09:36 PM) *
Calling me loser without knowing me, only shows how emotionally limited you are, which is not uncommon in your culture. As I said swedish culture is characterized for PASSIVE VIOLENCE.

Many people only move to sweden for job reasons. It's not being a loser, it's simply our circumstances makes us take the job even in countries like sweden.


I migrated to Sweden from India. Yes India, has a ton of backward cultural issues, we will take decades to fix them. Sweden is far ahead in most aspects. No shame in admitting that at all.

And yes, over the last 20 years, I have lived in USA, Denmark, Singapore & now Sweden because I found good work that matched my abilities & was better rewarded, which I couldnt in India. What is the wrong with that?

For all your Sweden bashing, you have failed to state which country you originate from where would you rather live, which would be far better than Sweden?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.Jan.2018, 12:15 AM

"QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Jan.2018, 10:04 PM) *
It sounds like you are barely scraping by in a country you don't like when you could be barely scraping by in a country you love...

My only problem in my home country is having a stable job. We have everything else by far better and more assesible than in sweden.

Housing specially is a piece of trash and a pyramid scheme in sweden.

I am an educated person, with an education, dealing with a culture that claims superior above everybody else but then I see a massive lack of self stem that is reflected in a passive violent attitude.

I have been reading your comments and you always discredit others by saying the same as them couldn't adapt to their own country then why could they adapt to sweden... that by itself shows the type of old classicist you are.

Why are you living in the US?. Why don't you just move to your mighty sweden?. Maybe you couldn't adapt to the way of life in sweden and you had to move to the US in search of a better, less dark life?, away from people who don't feel anything for anybody?. Away from people who behave like robots?.

Why come that a person who loves Sweden so much but then you live in the US?."

My comments on this thread were brought about by what you wrote here...

I thought that I showed a bit of understanding to your words about jobs and happiness...If you want to antagonize me, then go ahead, I can take whatever you can serve up!!! And reply in kind...

Posted by: intrepidfox 29.Jan.2018, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (SecondHandCountry @ 29.Jan.2018, 06:23 PM) *
It's amazing how swedes themselves have no idea what's happening. Never seen such level of lack of awareness.



I agree with that statement. I have almost been here 30 years and the Swedes don´t have a lack of awareness, they are very naive, like sheep believing what the politicians say.

It´s a shame as they are great people but they cannot think for themselves.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.Jan.2018, 07:29 PM

"Now I ask you and this is a serious question. If you love sweden so much, if you think sweden is so amazing and perfect then, what are you doing in the US?.


So Mr Gamla, tell us your story. Tell me why a man like you who firmly believes in his country, cannot live in sweden and had to move to the US. Maybe you haven't been able to adapt to mighty swedish way of life?. Or simply that in the US you can have a normal conversation with another human being without having to see people avoiding eye contact?."

Somebody must have passed you a bad "joint", were did you get that nonsense from???

I point out and try to explain that most of the problems people have in Sweden is that they always compare it to their culture and what they grew up with...And cannot accept things being different... That's it in a nutshell...

Posted by: syrinx32123 30.Jan.2018, 02:17 AM

so did you ever get a personnummer?

Posted by: gsurya 30.Jan.2018, 06:57 AM

QUOTE (SecondHandCountry @ 29.Jan.2018, 06:23 PM) *
So for the hype sweden has as a mighty country where everybody is happy and everything is perfect, I think sweden has a few serious issues, starting from housing which is massive deception because noboby outside sweden actually knows what's happening. Which is also part of the game of deception not to tell the whole picture.

It's amazing how swedes themselves have no idea what's happening. Never seen such level of lack of awareness.


I dont think a single Swede, with any level of self-awareness, will say that everything is happy & perfect in Sweden!! That is the case with every single country on earth.

All I am saying that, in total considering all aspects of work-life, Sweden is one of the top 10 countries in the world, of course there are always areas which can improve.

You still havent told us which country you consider better than Sweden and on what grounds and then we can debate the comparison.

Posted by: bonviveur 30.Jan.2018, 08:34 AM

Sweden is fine to live in, as long as you are introvert,there is no need to adapt to anything, I am and speak from my own experience,if you are not such a person, then it is diferent story

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 31.Jan.2018, 04:08 PM

"Lagom" does not allow for bragging/boasting about anything that is considered superior by others...What was the source of your information before you moved to Sweden???

There is a lot written by non Swedes about the supposed perfect Swedish "model" that is not true...

Posted by: Svedallas 31.Jan.2018, 07:35 PM

QUOTE (SecondHandCountry @ 31.Jan.2018, 06:52 PM) *
My personal experience about swedes is that they think they are infallible and their mistakes are different or not as bad as others. They act as if everything they do had to be superior and usually when the foreigner makes a mistake they attach it to his country of origin.

I am telling you based on what I have experienced because I come from a southern country and the place I come from have determined the comments I have to hear every time I made a mistake no matter how small and even generalizations about my culture that aren't simply true.

Not so recently a swede at work told me that the mistakes I made are not like theirs...ouch! LOL. Really?!.


This might sound as an isolated idiot but the list doesn't end there. So from time to time in the jobs I had someone throws a dart at my face with that passive violent attitude for no reason. Whether our products are not as good as theirs, whether we are not so hard working, this and that. My perception is that even the swedes that are nice and polite, for some reason they have been brainwashed to believe that specific southern cultures are less or inferior than them and they constantly make subtle comments about it.

So one who is telling you this, has to look down because I have a rent to pay but such level of emotional stupidity and arrogance... That's new for me.


Remind us why you are in Sweden then?

Posted by: Apache001 31.Jan.2018, 07:43 PM

Empathy does not exist here, in Sweden you are on your own and if you run into any problems then rush to the government. I don’t really know if this lack of empathy is a result of jantelagen but it makes Swedes appear very heartless to me, to a point I am willing to walk away from helping a Swede in danger. I just pray I don’t become like Swedes in this regard.

That’s why they can sit at home and use blade to cut themselves. They give up easily because they know nobody cares about them.

As for housing problem, I don’t think the reason for that problem is hard to understand, it’s bascially a result of social and love life in Sweden. Majority are separated and divorced and many people are living single and alone. The guys are single playing video games and chips, the girls are single sitting on iPhone all day. When separated and divorced with kids, the man and woman need to have separate apartments with more rooms to accommodate the kids in both residence.

As for dropping you and not caring about your feelings, it’s still boils down to their lack of empathy and heartlessness. When I deal with Swedes I place them on my shoulder, when they act all cocky I just drop them, as for foreigners with real social human relations, I go extra mile.

One observation is everywhere I went is that anything NORTHERN is very extreme and have particularly strange things. Take example Northern Europe and northern Sweden, compare northern Cyprus and southern Cyprus, just list all the northern places you know and there you see some weird shits going on.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 31.Jan.2018, 08:22 PM

"Swedes appear very heartless to me, to a point I am willing to walk away from helping a Swede in danger. I just pray I don’t become like Swedes in this regard."

A bit confusing that remark...Didn't you just become what you think Swedes are like???

In a previous post you mentioned that you left a Swedish co-worker, whose car would not start alone in the car park in a snow storm...or something close to that...

Isn't that the epitome of empathy???

You sound very swedish to me rolleyes.gif

Posted by: HorstRadisch 1.Feb.2018, 06:04 AM

"I'm curious to hear if anyone else has enjoyed Swedish bureaucracy?"

I've been here for 25 years - never a problem. Got here just before Sweden joined the EU - no problems with getting a resident's permit or a work permit.

Last year, fearful of Brexit, I applied to become a Swedish citizen. The entire process, including time in the postal system, took nine (yes, nine) days. The form was either six or eight pages (I forget which), but I gather the British equivalent form is 83 pages long? And I'll bet London has NEVER processed an application in nine days - I'd need proof that they could do it in nine weeks! Whose bureaucracy do you think I prefer?

Posted by: Apache001 1.Feb.2018, 07:41 PM

Why are Swedes importing partners abroad more than asylum figures we had in the past?

How come Swedes are willing to drag home partners they met on vacation and barely know, whatever happens to folks they grew up with from gymnasium?

Is it safe to say Swedes are getting tired of themselves

Actually things are slow in Sweden because the employees spend more time on their phones and masturbating in the office than work with too many coffee breaks.

When I see the number of hours University students spend on video games especially for folks in STEM, I keep wondering what Sweden would be like in 20yrs...only time will tell

Posted by: intrepidfox 1.Feb.2018, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (HorstRadisch @ 1.Feb.2018, 06:04 AM) *
"I'm curious to hear if anyone else has enjoyed Swedish bureaucracy?"

I've been here for 25 years - never a problem. Got here just before Sweden joined the EU - no problems with getting a resident's permit or a work permit.

Last year, fearful of Brexit, I applied to become a Swedish citizen. The entire process, including time in the postal system, took nine (yes, nine) days. The form was either six or eight pages (I forget which), but I gather the British equivalent form is 83 pages long? And I'll bet London has NEVER processed an application in nine days - I'd need proof that they could do it in nine weeks! Whose bureaucracy do you think I prefer?


I´ve lived here 30 years and have also never had a problem.

I wonder why o why you have changed your nationality? You have no problems with living here but if you decide in the future to move back to the UK then your fucked. Brexit is not a problem for those that have PUT

Posted by: Svedallas 1.Feb.2018, 09:10 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 1.Feb.2018, 07:41 PM) *
Why are Swedes importing partners abroad more than asylum figures we had in the past?

How come Swedes are willing to drag home partners they met on vacation and barely know, whatever happens to folks they grew up with from gymnasium?

Is it safe to say Swedes are getting tired of themselves

Actually things are slow in Sweden because the employees spend more time on their phones and masturbating in the office than work with too many coffee breaks.

When I see the number of hours University students spend on video games especially for folks in STEM, I keep wondering what Sweden would be like in 20yrs...only time will tell


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Posted by: Tenacious185 2.Feb.2018, 07:14 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 1.Feb.2018, 09:10 PM) *
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+1

Swedes are masturbating IN the office?

Posted by: the_dome 2.Feb.2018, 07:40 AM

Sweden is a piece of crap, that is my conclusion after 5 years of living in this crapland. What am I still doing here? Well I have a high paying job and I am applying for jobs outside this crapland. As soon as I get it somewhere I will move out. Also, I recommend to everyone that I know never to come in Sweden. Those are people with master and PhD degrees.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Feb.2018, 01:39 PM

QUOTE (Tenacious185 @ 2.Feb.2018, 07:14 AM) *
+1

Swedes are masturbating IN the office?


Angry...because they won't let him join them... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Apache001 2.Feb.2018, 02:36 PM

Yes they masturbate in the office, I read where they were discussing it on their family blog.
I guess they get stressed easily and always look for ways to let out.

Gamla I have never caught them in the act, maybe when I do I will invite you for a threesome, sounds nice aighttt.

Posted by: Tenacious185 2.Feb.2018, 02:40 PM

It begs the question, how can they stop him? I mean, have you ever thought about the physical mechanics of actually trying to prevent someone from masturbating? Especially in a work place.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Feb.2018, 02:41 PM

I don't roll like that!!!

Posted by: Apache001 2.Feb.2018, 02:48 PM

Don’t worry it doesn’t take much time to cure you of your phobia gubbe...oops Gamla.
I don’t think anyone can stop them from masturbating, but we can give them more daily tasks and targets.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Feb.2018, 02:52 PM

If you were not overcome by galloping culture shock and abhorrence of anything Swedish, would you ever seek out TheLocal and post your good experiences on this forum???

Posted by: Tenacious185 2.Feb.2018, 02:57 PM

I am going to start peering in windows of offices on my way home today to see if I can spot any clown punchers, chicken chokers, taco stuffers, clam diggers, etc...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Feb.2018, 03:26 PM

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Posted by: SmokerT69 3.Feb.2018, 02:57 AM

QUOTE (syrinx32123 @ 30.Jan.2018, 02:17 AM) *
so did you ever get a personnummer?


No. We had a meeting with a guy in Gävle at the tax agency. The way he explained it, because I'm not currently working, they want me to apply to the migration agency instead. Apply as someone who is moving to a family member who is Swedish. Which is kinda weird cause then he said as a EU member I have right of residency. So whatever, we're gonna do this now.

I'm honestly past caring lol. I've been here technically an entire year now if you don't count the few weeks I went back to my home country to sort out my apartment and pack. I've been to the tax agency and migration agency as well as have an address with my name on it. Getting mail delivered here. I guess I'm technically an illegal immigrant? No one seems to care lol. The guy at the tax agency told me to just visit Denmark or Norway and come back. I'm a stay at home dad and I'm taking classes st the local school. Fuck the personnummer, doesn't seem like I need one. I'm just using the fake one the SFI school gave to me. My wife is working full time now so I'm taking care of our child. I get to spend time with my first child, I'm happy. Wife is happy. Fuck it, not stressing with all the immigration and tax agency bullshit. Just finished 6 years in the army. Time for me to chill out. I dunno if Sweden has immigration police, but it they track me down. We'll deal with that when it happens.

Posted by: the_dome 3.Feb.2018, 09:22 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 3.Feb.2018, 02:57 AM) *
No. We had a meeting with a guy in Gävle at the tax agency. The way he explained it, because I'm not currently working, they want me to apply to the migration agency instead. Apply as someone who is moving to a family member who is Swedish. Which is kinda weird cause then he said as a EU member I have right of residency. So whatever, we're gonna do this now.

I'm honestly past caring lol. I've been here technically an entire year now if you don't count the few weeks I went back to my home country to sort out my apartment and pack. I've been to the tax agency and migration agency as well as have an address with my name on it. Getting mail delivered here. I guess I'm technically an illegal immigrant? No one seems to care lol. The guy at the tax agency told me to just visit Denmark or Norway and come back. I'm a stay at home dad and I'm taking classes st the local school. Fuck the personnummer, doesn't seem like I need one. I'm just using the fake one the SFI school gave to me. My wife is working full time now so I'm taking care of our child. I get to spend time with my first child, I'm happy. Wife is happy. Fuck it, not stressing with all the immigration and tax agency bullshit. Just finished 6 years in the army. Time for me to chill out. I dunno if Sweden has immigration police, but it they track me down. We'll deal with that when it happens.


Well they can just suck you off since you are EU citizen.

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.May.2018, 10:41 AM

Might as well update this, it's been another 4 months. Had an Italian friend from SFI help me out. Apparently she was having the same problems as me. They made her buy insurence and sent her all over the place to different towns and cites. She didn't get sent to a refugee center like me though, so I still have one up on her.

I've applied for a residency permit on the basis of moving to a family member and I'll just wait on that. She said she's been waiting for 5 months, so I'm guessing this will take another year or so lol. Wife and I are moving to a new apartment downtown, kid just started förskola. All is well.

As for the residency permit. It had some really weird questions on it. And it kept warning me to not write anything about leaving my country or applying for asylum as it may be dangerous. Is the UK sending out hit squads on Brits moving to Sweden? Also, asylum? And it asked me why I wasn't getting asylum for my daughter as well, who is gonna raise her and tons of other weird questions to which I simply replied, "she's Swedish". It also wanted to know the names, birthdays and location of my 4 siblings and parents etc. How is that relevant to my residence? And finally thry wanted to know if a lawyer was helping me?

My wife then received an email and had to prove she was working and paying taxes? I guess now I just play the waiting game. Hopefully I get sorted before brexit lol... Well, then again, at skattsverket they told me they can't do anything because of Brexit already. So maybe I'm already fucked hahahaha

Posted by: JonG 24.May.2018, 05:28 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 24.Nov.2017, 01:09 AM) *
FYI - I know someone who recently moved from UK with husband, SFI was a 6 month wait.
I remember it was usually a week or two wait.


6 months? I'd have been delighted with only a 6 month wait. It took over a year before I could start SFI.

The first 4 months were waiting for skatteverket to bless me with a person nummer, because my kommun were adamant it's impossible to register for SFI without one (I've since discovered this is a massive lie). Then 8 months waiting for my kommun to have space to accommodate me on an SFI course.

Posted by: Svedallas 24.May.2018, 06:34 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.May.2018, 11:41 AM) *
Might as well update this, it's been another 4 months. Had an Italian friend from SFI help me out. Apparently she was having the same problems as me. They made her buy insurence and sent her all over the place to different towns and cites. She didn't get sent to a refugee center like me though, so I still have one up on her.

I've applied for a residency permit on the basis of moving to a family member and I'll just wait on that. She said she's been waiting for 5 months, so I'm guessing this will take another year or so lol. Wife and I are moving to a new apartment downtown, kid just started förskola. All is well.

As for the residency permit. It had some really weird questions on it. And it kept warning me to not write anything about leaving my country or applying for asylum as it may be dangerous. Is the UK sending out hit squads on Brits moving to Sweden? Also, asylum? And it asked me why I wasn't getting asylum for my daughter as well, who is gonna raise her and tons of other weird questions to which I simply replied, "she's Swedish". It also wanted to know the names, birthdays and location of my 4 siblings and parents etc. How is that relevant to my residence? And finally thry wanted to know if a lawyer was helping me?

My wife then received an email and had to prove she was working and paying taxes? I guess now I just play the waiting game. Hopefully I get sorted before brexit lol... Well, then again, at skattsverket they told me they can't do anything because of Brexit already. So maybe I'm already fucked hahahaha


You know what, it wasn't this bad, say 8 years ago...

MV did have to deal with all the problems that they have had to with all the real and fake asylum seekers. Complete mess of a situation. And with elections just months away, they may have to toughen up and improve.

On the plus, keep on with the swedish, full time if you can. You will be later grateful...and will open many opportunities later on.

Such a hassle! Good luck!!!!!

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.May.2018, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (JonG @ 24.May.2018, 06:28 PM) *
6 months? I'd have been delighted with only a 6 month wait. It took over a year before I could start SFI.

The first 4 months were waiting for skatteverket to bless me with a person nummer, because my kommun were adamant it's impossible to register for SFI without one (I've since discovered this is a massive lie). Then 8 months waiting for my kommun to have space to accommodate me on an SFI course.


Yea,I was told by skattsverket that I can't do SFI unless I have a personummer as well. Then they proceeded to tell me I can't have one anyway lol. My SFI school just let me use another guys number that left.

Sweden has to be one of the most complicated countries on the planet to move to lol. You would think being married to a Swede and having Swedish children would make it easier, but apparently that doesn't matter. One of the guys in my class had to hire a lawyer because they tried to deport him. He's married to a Swed and has 3 swedish children. Meanwhile the refugees in my school, which account for about 60%+ of the students have a personummer and get paid to go. Top keks. Myself, the Italian and a Costa Rican got into an argument with them recently because one of them said they don't want to pass SFI because then they won't get money for going. I personally thought they only get money if they finish SFI, but apparently they get money monthly just for showing up. Must be nice

Posted by: Svedallas 25.May.2018, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.May.2018, 09:57 PM) *
Yea,I was told by skattsverket that I can't do SFI unless I have a personummer as well. Then they proceeded to tell me I can't have one anyway lol. My SFI school just let me use another guys number that left.

Sweden has to be one of the most complicated countries on the planet to move to lol. You would think being married to a Swede and having Swedish children would make it easier, but apparently that doesn't matter. One of the guys in my class had to hire a lawyer because they tried to deport him. He's married to a Swed and has 3 swedish children. Meanwhile the refugees in my school, which account for about 60%+ of the students have a personummer and get paid to go. Top keks. Myself, the Italian and a Costa Rican got into an argument with them recently because one of them said they don't want to pass SFI because then they won't get money for going. I personally thought they only get money if they finish SFI, but apparently they get money monthly just for showing up. Must be nice


Honestly, I could not agree more.

Many of the asylum seekers are fake. Lets not get into how they skipped 6/7 countries and bypass the dublin agreement, and come here for benefits.

But to top it all off, the keep failing SFI deliberately, and keep getting money. I think the politicians are changing that in a few months. The proposal is that if they do not complete in a certain period they get kicked out.

I once met a lady who was on SFI for 3 years. She is now working. But I could not believe my ears.

And she did not have to show up either.
I am completely hating the migration policies. Hopefully next government will take charge of the complete mess they created.

Posted by: Gjeebes 25.May.2018, 05:56 PM

"Hopefully next government will take charge of the complete mess they created."

Baahahahahahahaaaaaaa!

Good luck with that. If anything I would bet on them making it worse.

Tis the self-adoring, ego-inflated tradition of über-progressive Meatballia.

Great entertainment from afar!

OP, just remember, Swedes are happy just to have air to breath. Just think in terms of "lowered expectations", remember that "lagom" = "mediocrity"; give up all hope and you will become more Swedish than the Swedes.

Sweden is a first world, "civilised" country on paper only. In reality, it is like a retarded 3rd world child that found a big wad of cash in the abandoned warehouse it lives in.

Posted by: intrepidfox 25.May.2018, 07:19 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 25.May.2018, 01:34 PM) *
I am completely hating the migration policies. Hopefully next government will take charge of the complete mess they created.



Actually all this shit started with the last government with that wanker Reinfeldt opening his arms and saying welcome to Sweden

Posted by: SmokerT69 25.May.2018, 09:19 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 25.May.2018, 06:56 PM) *
"Hopefully next government will take charge of the complete mess they created."

Baahahahahahahaaaaaaa!

Good luck with that. If anything I would bet on them making it worse.

Tis the self-adoring, ego-inflated tradition of über-progressive Meatballia.

Great entertainment from afar!

OP, just remember, Swedes are happy just to have air to breath. Just think in terms of "lowered expectations", remember that "lagom" = "mediocrity"; give up all hope and you will become more Swedish than the Swedes.

Sweden is a first world, "civilised" country on paper only. In reality, it is like a retarded 3rd world child that found a big wad of cash in the abandoned warehouse it lives in.


While I don't disagree that many things about this country seem completely backwards. I wouldn't say its any worse than the rest of Europe. The entire EU as a whole needs to get their shit together. It's always Europe and their former colonies, ie Australia, New Zealand, Canada etc that have to help everyone on the planet. I don't see news reports about Japan or South Korean not taking in enough refugees.

I mean the fact that when we confronted our teacher about what the refugees said in class, about not wanting to pass so they can keep getting money. And we were told that we should "understand" because they have had it bad. Well... that says it all.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.May.2018, 10:05 PM

It is a sad thing that those who are exceptionally compassionate to the plight of others less fortunate than they are usually taken advantage of...

It seems that good guys usually finish last and sad for their efforts, is a sad truth we have to live with...

Time will tell...Mass deportation...Anyone???

Posted by: Gjeebes 26.May.2018, 05:11 AM

Well, they do know how to work together though when they know they might be able to pull off some good PR.

Here is the quintessential "Swedes-standing-together-with-flag-raised" photo-op:


Posted by: Cheeseroller 26.May.2018, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 25.May.2018, 10:19 PM) *
The entire EU as a whole needs to get their shit together.


There was a scandal in the last days here in Germany across the media. Two footballers in the National team, of Turkish origin (although born in Germany), were photographed with Erdogan. One wore a football shirt that said "with respect to my President".
Source: https://www.focus.de/politik/deutschland/kommentar-breites-grinsen-fuer-erdogan-oezil-und-guendogan-haben-nichts-verstanden_id_8931380.html

And that us not unusual - many German-Turks support Erdogan, just as many German-Russians support Putin.

In Europe we seem to be spectacularly unsuccessful to integrate migrants and generate loyalty to their country - even the children of the migrants. Compared to the USA, where migrants are proud to become citizens.

Something to do with the free handouts given in Europe perhaps?

Either way, glad I will not be here in 50 years to see the Sharia states in Europe.

Posted by: cheeseburger 31.May.2018, 06:17 PM

Hello to the forum.
This is my first post, i don't know if i must post first in an introduction type thread, if that is the case, sorry.
I have some concerns about moving to Sweden, although my gf is already working there, but reading the posts of the OP made me think twice LOL.

I am afraid of that could happen to me, i mean, spending one year without the PN, because my mind wouldn't handdle that time without working and pressure.
I am from Spain and have the money and a GF with already PN, but reading this thread made me think that it may not be enough to getting the golden PN.

I have spent 5 years in the army in Spain and other sitthy jobs and dropout two different bachelor degrees, so i don't have very desireble "normal" skills to get a job fast in Sweden. So i don't think i could get a job before the PN.

Are my concerns legit?

Thank you all, and good luck to the bermudian ex soldier.

Posted by: Case officer 31.May.2018, 10:48 PM

QUOTE (cheeseburger @ 31.May.2018, 07:17 PM) *
I have spent 5 years in the army in Spain and other sitthy jobs and dropout two different bachelor degrees, so i don't have very desireble "normal" skills to get a job fast in Sweden. So i don't think i could get a job before the PN.

Are my concerns legit?


Spanish citizens and their family members who can support themselves without being a burden to Swedish welfare are welcome any day to move to Sweden.

Apart from this, Sweden does not have free immigration for Spanish people. If you have a husband/wife/cohabiting partner in Sweden who is a resident here you can be granted a residence permit. The exact rules will depend on which status your girlfriend has in Sweden and for how long you have lived together.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 31.May.2018, 11:00 PM

You would need to prove that you were both cohabiting for a reasonable period of time. Ideally being able to show both names on electricity, gas bills or joint contract on rented flat in Spain.

Posted by: SmokerT69 31.May.2018, 11:26 PM

QUOTE (cheeseburger @ 31.May.2018, 07:17 PM) *
Hello to the forum.
This is my first post, i don't know if i must post first in an introduction type thread, if that is the case, sorry.
I have some concerns about moving to Sweden, although my gf is already working there, but reading the posts of the OP made me think twice LOL.

I am afraid of that could happen to me, i mean, spending one year without the PN, because my mind wouldn't handdle that time without working and pressure.
I am from Spain and have the money and a GF with already PN, but reading this thread made me think that it may not be enough to getting the golden PN.

I have spent 5 years in the army in Spain and other sitthy jobs and dropout two different bachelor degrees, so i don't have very desireble "normal" skills to get a job fast in Sweden. So i don't think i could get a job before the PN.

Are my concerns legit?

Thank you all, and good luck to the bermudian ex soldier.


I think you have to had lived together for 2 years or more and prove it. With utility bills and so on. I go to school with EU citizens from Italy, and Germany. The Germans found a way to get a personummer easily. They sold stuff online and kept copies of the bills. Basically told the skattsverket that they had a business which was enough to get a personummer. Myself and the Italian are going the route of moving to a family member in Sweden. So hopefully we'll get a residence permit that way. Even if you have enough money to support yourself it doesn't seem to matter. I tried to apply for a personummer that way and they told me I had to prove I was going to stay here for more than a year. I've now been here for more than a year and they want me to prove I'll stay another year. It's basically impossible to move here that way.

Good luck.

Posted by: cheeseburger 1.Jun.2018, 10:05 AM

Thanks.
I have heard that the route of "having enough money" doesn't seem to work.
We have the contract of our appartment with both our names, but the electricity and water bills were on my name.
This could be enough?

Posted by: Gjeebes 2.Jun.2018, 07:12 AM

I think you will find that being financially stable is not desired in Sweden. It gives you too much control over your own life and direction (at the expense of "nanny-state-knows-best").

Sure, it makes no sense, but "non-sense" is a Swedish tradition. You'd best get used to it.

For whatever bizarre reason, Löfven's bearded children, their extended families, and their remaining unemployed (forever), seems to be the primary focus (not concern, but focus) of Sweden.

If you are financially stable, and have a propensity for success, then you are really not a good fit for Sweden, and you will suffer for it.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Jun.2018, 05:15 PM

QUOTE (cheeseburger @ 31.May.2018, 07:17 PM) *
Hello to the forum.
This is my first post, i don't know if i must post first in an introduction type thread, if that is the case, sorry.
I have some concerns about moving to Sweden, although my gf is already working there, but reading the posts of the OP made me think twice LOL.

I am afraid of that could happen to me, i mean, spending one year without the PN, because my mind wouldn't handdle that time without working and pressure.
I am from Spain and have the money and a GF with already PN, but reading this thread made me think that it may not be enough to getting the golden PN.

I have spent 5 years in the army in Spain and other sitthy jobs and dropout two different bachelor degrees, so i don't have very desireble "normal" skills to get a job fast in Sweden. So i don't think i could get a job before the PN.

Are my concerns legit?

Thank you all, and good luck to the bermudian ex soldier.


Hi,

I am Spanish too!.

I have been in sweden for almost 3+ years now.

Finding a job in sweden without speaking swedish and without any formal education and no connections is almost impossible unless you lower your expectations to the lowest.
Yes they speak almost perfect English but the job market for 90% of the jobs are for swedes or people who speak swedish and even if you speak the language that doesn't mean they will give you a job in your area of expertise.

I am IT. My skills are related to systems admin and also .net programming in C# environment. I have the skills and knowledge to write windows apps with SQL databases and so on. I have been looking for IT jobs for 2 years and the only thing I could get eventually is a warehouse job. I have applied until I basically applied for everything


Here in sweden, swedes think that most of us don't have as good education as theirs. People tell me I must go back to school to get "proper education". It's all excuses.

In Spain we have lack of jobs but you will never hear such poor excuses there. In Spain it's simply we have 1 job for 100 people. In sweden there is a TON of jobs but 90% of them are given behind the scenes and not for us but waiting for a swede. Everything in sweden is about connections even more than in Spain. I even had to send recommendation letter to my previous landlord to find apartment... That gives you an idea how hard things are in this country.

Sweden is a nice country, very relaxed life, because they don't like to work too hard, a lot of fika breaks that you will never see in Spain so in reality people here don't work 8 hours maybe 7 or less... that is valid if you manage to find apartment and a job. This is not an easy country to live as a foreigner specially if you are a guy who likes standing out of the crowd or doesn't like to follow what the group says.If you are conformist and like doing what the swede says then you will be happy in sweden. If you are ambitious and show strong self initiative to become someone successful then the group will crash you, because swedes don't like foreigners who compete with them...

Also forget about the Spanish sense of humor or laughing, this is not Spain, the classic Spanish humor of making funny jokes and laughing spontaneously is not common in sweden, If you don't believe me come and see by yourself.
This is a cold, sense of humor and cold distant conversations.
Sweden is very closed compared to Spain. Maybe it works for you, come and see for yourself.

I warn you, I have met British and other people with education higher than mine, with masters degrees and such and they had to leave because they got no phone calls or interviews. I have met Spaniards who are also ITs and they work as hairdresser doing the nails to clients. So, if you don't have high job expectations, Sweden can work for you, but if you think you will have a fair chance in an amazing company and be able to compete with a swede in equal conditions... That's not going to happen, mainly because swedes think their education is superior than others.

Another subject is housing. Maybe it's not a problem for you if you girlfriend is swedish since she already had a first hand rental. People in sweden have two options. They buy an apartment or they queue for a first hand rental which it can take up to 5 years in many cases or never.

In the meanwhile people live in the so called second hand, that means short term rental (1 year or less in most cases). So if you can't buy then be ready to move every year or so to a new apartment because that's how things are until you have the money to buy or get that first hand rental.

In Spain you can find apartment by just looking through a website and you will get a long term contract that will renew every year... Sweden is different, second hand rentals are not what we see in Spain.

So, I know finding a job in Spain is difficult, But that's the only problem we have there. In sweden life is relaxed, because they don't like to work fast but it depends on whether you can secure housing and job which is far from easy.

Good luck!,
If you want to know more send me a private message.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 4.Jun.2018, 05:50 AM

There is another reason foreigners are excluded, you are perceived as a higher risk and the employers don't want to hire someone who can destabilise the team. It's the same reason that Swedes have a few friends from school and are not interested to develop new friendships.

Swedes are taught from an early age to be a team player, not to stand out and avoid conflict.

In schools, the class progresses at the speed of the most stupid. I forget now when kids first have examinations, but it is much later than in the UK - in an attempt to hide the stupid kids in the class and promote a cohesive team.

The brainwashing in schools is so powerful that they can take a foreign outgoing 7 year old and produce an 18 year old Swede - despite the influence of their parents. No surprise then that many of the children from Middle East countries who were born and re-programmed in Sweden, are 4x less likely to find work and are angry because they don't know which culture they stand in. This is presumably why Sweden per population, exported so many Islamic extremists to ISIS.

But I am impressed by your understanding after only 3 years. It took me a lot longer, probably because I had my own business and focused on exporting.

You are absolutely correct " If you are ambitious and show strong self initiative to become someone successful then the group will crash you, because swedes don't like foreigners who compete with them..." - this realisation was one main factor why we left Sweden.

The other main reason was quality of life. There is little emotion, spontaneity or joy in Sweden. It has all the charm and character of a dentists waiting room.

Although it probably was not an option, you would do better in Germany. The small and middle sized companies are crying for employees with IT skills and that can mean the language is less of a problem. Germans are also terrified of being seen as racist - so tend to go out of their way to be fair. Apartments are much more available and cheaper.

As I have said before here, nothing underlines the "them and us" attitude Swedes have to foreigners than the annual Expressen or Aftondagbladet "rich list" articles of top income tax payers. Next time these are published, try to find one foreign name.

Posted by: GamlaSkogHisingHope 6.Jun.2018, 09:16 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 2.Jun.2018, 07:12 AM) *
I think you will find that being financially stable is not desired in Sweden. It gives you too much control over your own life and direction (at the expense of "nanny-state-knows-best").

Sure, it makes no sense, but "non-sense" is a Swedish tradition. You'd best get used to it.

For whatever bizarre reason, Löfven's bearded children, their extended families, and their remaining unemployed (forever), seems to be the primary focus (not concern, but focus) of Sweden.

If you are financially stable, and have a propensity for success, then you are really not a good fit for Sweden, and you will suffer for it.


This is correct. Paradoxically, having largely eradicated poverty during the 20th century, Swedish governments have become increasingly opposed to this as it allowed individuals to exercise free-will, conflicting with the national inbred desire for command and control. This has led to mass immigration to import an underclass who could fulfil the economic and emotional needs of Swedes to a) have a group of the labour market undertaking menial work and cool.gif provides a group of people to be patronised by the state as a 'social good'.

The Swedish state has, until now, created an economy based on household income being largely subsistence levels only. This means that assets or wealth is never truly acquired; people don't accumulate savings, they have 40 year mortgages which are never re-deemed, assets generally do not pass from generation to generation. This is remarkable given what we are told about 'happiness' and 'well-being' of the population at large. Of course, every bubble has to burst eventually.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 6.Jun.2018, 10:43 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 3.Jun.2018, 06:15 PM) *
Hi,

I am Spanish too!.

I have been in sweden for almost 3+ years now.

Finding a job in sweden without speaking swedish and without any formal education and no connections is almost impossible unless you lower your expectations to the lowest.
Yes they speak almost perfect English but the job market for 90% of the jobs are for swedes or people who speak swedish and even if you speak the language that doesn't mean they will give you a job in your area of expertise.

I am IT. My skills are related to systems admin and also .net programming in C# environment. I have the skills and knowledge to write windows apps with SQL databases and so on. I have been looking for IT jobs for 2 years and the only thing I could get eventually is a warehouse job. I have applied until I basically applied for everything


Here in sweden, swedes think that most of us don't have as good education as theirs. People tell me I must go back to school to get "proper education". It's all excuses.

In Spain we have lack of jobs but you will never hear such poor excuses there. In Spain it's simply we have 1 job for 100 people. In sweden there is a TON of jobs but 90% of them are given behind the scenes and not for us but waiting for a swede. Everything in sweden is about connections even more than in Spain. I even had to send recommendation letter to my previous landlord to find apartment... That gives you an idea how hard things are in this country.

Sweden is a nice country, very relaxed life, because they don't like to work too hard, a lot of fika breaks that you will never see in Spain so in reality people here don't work 8 hours maybe 7 or less... that is valid if you manage to find apartment and a job. This is not an easy country to live as a foreigner specially if you are a guy who likes standing out of the crowd or doesn't like to follow what the group says.If you are conformist and like doing what the swede says then you will be happy in sweden. If you are ambitious and show strong self initiative to become someone successful then the group will crash you, because swedes don't like foreigners who compete with them...

Also forget about the Spanish sense of humor or laughing, this is not Spain, the classic Spanish humor of making funny jokes and laughing spontaneously is not common in sweden, If you don't believe me come and see by yourself.
This is a cold, sense of humor and cold distant conversations.
Sweden is very closed compared to Spain. Maybe it works for you, come and see for yourself.

I warn you, I have met British and other people with education higher than mine, with masters degrees and such and they had to leave because they got no phone calls or interviews. I have met Spaniards who are also ITs and they work as hairdresser doing the nails to clients. So, if you don't have high job expectations, Sweden can work for you, but if you think you will have a fair chance in an amazing company and be able to compete with a swede in equal conditions... That's not going to happen, mainly because swedes think their education is superior than others.

Another subject is housing. Maybe it's not a problem for you if you girlfriend is swedish since she already had a first hand rental. People in sweden have two options. They buy an apartment or they queue for a first hand rental which it can take up to 5 years in many cases or never.

In the meanwhile people live in the so called second hand, that means short term rental (1 year or less in most cases). So if you can't buy then be ready to move every year or so to a new apartment because that's how things are until you have the money to buy or get that first hand rental.

In Spain you can find apartment by just looking through a website and you will get a long term contract that will renew every year... Sweden is different, second hand rentals are not what we see in Spain.

So, I know finding a job in Spain is difficult, But that's the only problem we have there. In sweden life is relaxed, because they don't like to work fast but it depends on whether you can secure housing and job which is far from easy.

Good luck!,
If you want to know more send me a private message.


Funny to hear that, because as a native swede I feel the same thing. Except that every job in IT is given to indians, pakistanis and bangladeshis.

Posted by: GamlaSkogHisingHope 6.Jun.2018, 10:56 AM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 6.Jun.2018, 10:43 AM) *
Funny to hear that, because as a native swede I feel the same thing. Except that every job in IT is given to indians, pakistanis and bangladeshis.


Because they are expendable. At the end of their assignment, project etc, they (employees from the Indian sub-continent) can be easily and cheaply deported through a number of means. If you employ a Swede, you are employing them for life.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 6.Jun.2018, 11:01 AM

QUOTE (GamlaSkogHisingHope @ 6.Jun.2018, 11:56 AM) *
Because they are expendable. At the end of their assignment, project etc, they (employees from the Indian sub-continent) can be easily and cheaply deported through a number of means. If you employ a Swede, you are employing them for life.


I thought it was because a european or a native could just walk away without losing anything if work conditions got too horrible.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 6.Jun.2018, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 6.Jun.2018, 11:43 AM) *
Funny to hear that, because as a native swede I feel the same thing. Except that every job in IT is given to indians, pakistanis and bangladeshis.


1.5M engineers graduate every year in India. Thousands apply for each post at university. This means that these are the absolute cream - and why they are eagerly sought after by the US (at least until Trump).

Given the choice, I would rather hire an Indian engineer or a Chinese engineer, because these people are hungry, in a way that the average pandered-by-state Swede cannot appreciate.

Of course in Sweden where excellence has no value, they are 3rd world engineers who are disposable. But given the way the cards are stacked, it is amazing that you can't find a good job being a native and all that. Maybe you are such a jerk that you are unemployable?

I hope that isn't the case, as everyone deserves a shot. But as an impartial observer, yet someone has met a wide spectrum of people, you do not come across as someone I would hire. Too bitter, too arrogant. It's time for some introspection friend - we all make mistakes, but is abject stupidity to keep repeating them

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 6.Jun.2018, 08:55 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 6.Jun.2018, 09:06 PM) *
1.5M engineers graduate every year in India. Thousands apply for each post at university. This means that these are the absolute cream - and why they are eagerly sought after by the US (at least until Trump).

Given the choice, I would rather hire an Indian engineer or a Chinese engineer, because these people are hungry, in a way that the average pandered-by-state Swede cannot appreciate.

Of course in Sweden where excellence has no value, they are 3rd world engineers who are disposable. But given the way the cards are stacked, it is amazing that you can't find a good job being a native and all that. Maybe you are such a jerk that you are unemployable?

I hope that isn't the case, as everyone deserves a shot. But as an impartial observer, yet someone has met a wide spectrum of people, you do not come across as someone I would hire. Too bitter, too arrogant. It's time for some introspection friend - we all make mistakes, but is abject stupidity to keep repeating them


Yes we have all heard about how superior indian and chinese engineering is, odd then how they have to copy and steal from the rest of the world instead of using their superior capabilities to innovate on their own.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 7.Jun.2018, 07:09 AM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 6.Jun.2018, 09:55 PM) *
Yes we have all hear About how superior indian and chinese engineering is, odd then how they have to copy and steal from the rest of the world instead of using their superior capabilities to innovate on their own.




Who is stealing what now?

You are aware that China is, or is on their way to becoming the strongest superpower in the world? They, as a country, are incredibly innovative. Hell, don't they own Sweden's precious Volvo? They didn't steal that, they bought it because Sweden drove that company into the ground, no pun intended. You, as a swede should be thankful that they left factories to keep your people employed. To keep various peoples in Sweden employed.

Damn, you are a dumb, arrogant, piece of lutefisk

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 7.Jun.2018, 09:58 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 7.Jun.2018, 08:09 AM) *
Who is stealing what now?

You are aware that China is, or is on their way to becoming the strongest superpower in the world? They, as a country, are incredibly innovative. Hell, don't they own Sweden's precious Volvo? They didn't steal that, they bought it because Sweden drove that company into the ground, no pun intended. You, as a swede should be thankful that they left factories to keep your people employed. To keep various peoples in Sweden employed.

Damn, you are a dumb, arrogant, piece of lutefisk


volvo personbilar hasn't been swedish since 1999. Blame the incompetent management at ford for running it into the ground. And where is all this chinese innovation?

Posted by: cheeseburger 7.Jun.2018, 10:56 AM

Hello again.
Does the people on this thread think that going to UK would it be more sensible and "easier"??
Thank you for your help by the way!!
By the way, i am not the more social Spaniard but all the times i have visited Stockholm i was a little shocked about how closed/shy or antisocial or whatever you want to call it are the people, i have not met this "problem" in other European countries when i was there.
I am aware that comparing with a italian or a spanish, a british seems shy, but the sweden are more than that.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 7.Jun.2018, 11:52 AM

And that means???

Posted by: SmokerT69 7.Jun.2018, 01:42 PM

QUOTE
Also forget about the Spanish sense of humor or laughing, this is not Spain, the classic Spanish humor of making funny jokes and laughing spontaneously is not common in sweden, If you don't believe me come and see by yourself.
This is a cold, sense of humor and cold distant conversations.


Holy shit, I can not agree more. I didnt notice how bad it was because I tend to hang out with my wife's family and we all joke around and talk nonsense. I actually got thrown out of a sabaton concert my brother in law took me too because he told me a joke in the lobby and I started laughing. The security came over to us immediately and told us we had to leave because we were "too drunk". We had not even had a beer. I honestly couldn't understand it and even asked the security to breathalyse me to prove I wasn't drunk. Didn't matter, we were forced to leave for laughing. My brother in law explained it to me that all Swedes are miserable and if they see someone having fun, they obviously think something is wrong.

Posted by: Svedallas 7.Jun.2018, 01:54 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 7.Jun.2018, 02:42 PM) *
Holy shit, I can not agree more. I didnt notice how bad it was because I tend to hang out with my wife's family and we all joke around and talk nonsense. I actually got thrown out of a sabaton concert my brother in law took me too because he told me a joke in the lobby and I started laughing. The security came over to us immediately and told us we had to leave because we were "too drunk". We had not even had a beer. I honestly couldn't understand it and even asked the security to breathalyse me to prove I wasn't drunk. Didn't matter, we were forced to leave for laughing. My brother in law explained it to me that all Swedes are miserable and if they see someone having fun, they obviously think something is wrong.


BS.

It is about manners and also being appropriate.

Nothing to do with "miserable". It is called mannerisms, and culture appropriateness.
I am far from miserable but cannot stand when people do not know how to behave.

It is irritating and annoying. Know when to laugh and not to laugh.
Laugh at wrong time, and it is disrespectful.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 7.Jun.2018, 02:06 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 7.Jun.2018, 02:54 PM) *
BS.

It is about manners and also being appropriate.

Nothing to do with "miserable". It is called mannerisms, and culture appropriateness.
I am far from miserable but cannot stand when people do not know how to behave.

It is irritating and annoying. Know when to laugh and not to laugh.
Laugh at wrong time, and it is disrespectful.


Could it be the case that the humor of the complainers is incompatible with swedish humor? Because I frequently make small jokes with my coworkers and friend. Allthough swedish humor tends to be a bit more cynical and dry.

Posted by: SmokerT69 7.Jun.2018, 02:13 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 7.Jun.2018, 02:54 PM) *
BS.

It is about manners and also being appropriate.

Nothing to do with "miserable". It is called mannerisms, and culture appropriateness.
I am far from miserable but cannot stand when people do not know how to behave.

It is irritating and annoying. Know when to laugh and not to laugh.
Laugh at wrong time, and it is disrespectful.


Lmao... thank you for proving my point you miserable Swede.

So you're saying laughing in the lobby of a heavy metal concert was rude, irritating, disrespectful and annoying? Can you give me a list of places I'm allowed to laugh in Sweden? I would of thought a concert is were people go to relax, unwind and have fun. Apparently not in Sweden löl.

Posted by: SmokerT69 7.Jun.2018, 02:17 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 7.Jun.2018, 03:06 PM) *
Could it be the case that the humor of the complainers is incompatible with swedish humor? Because I frequently make small jokes with my coworkers and friend. Allthough swedish humor tends to be a bit more cynical and dry.


There was no one complaining. We were waiting in the lobby for my brother in laws friend who was running late. The security guard was across the hall and when he saw me laughing and then my brother in law start laughing, he came over and told us to leave. He could not possibly have heard the joke as the place was pretty full and everyone was talking.

Posted by: Svedallas 7.Jun.2018, 02:25 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 7.Jun.2018, 03:13 PM) *
Lmao... thank you for proving my point you miserable Swede.

So you're saying laughing in the lobby of a heavy metal concert was rude, irritating, disrespectful and annoying? Can you give me a list of places I'm allowed to laugh in Sweden? I would of thought a concert is were people go to relax, unwind and have fun. Apparently not in Sweden löl.


Anywhere.

It is also called social manners and when appropriate.
You're the one with an awkward encounter because of lack thereof...

Don't come here complaining...

Posted by: SmokerT69 7.Jun.2018, 03:05 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 7.Jun.2018, 03:25 PM) *
Anywhere.

It is also called social manners and when appropriate.
You're the one with an awkward encounter because of lack thereof...

Don't come here complaining...


Again, I fail to see how laughing in a public place, in this instance, the lobby of a heavy metal concert where people go to talk and use the bathroom is considered a lack of manners. If anything you're fully proving the point of the orignal post and myself. Swedes are miserable and the fact you think laughing goes against the social norm only cements the fact of how backwards and miserable Swedish society is as a whole.

"Don't come here complaining"

Kek... maybe you missed the entire point of this thread. It's me complaining about how insane it is to migrate to Sweden despite being married to a Swed and having Swedish children. The fact I've been here for over a year and will most likely have to wait another year just to get a piece of paper saying that I can indeed live here is insane.

Posted by: Svedallas 7.Jun.2018, 04:19 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 7.Jun.2018, 04:05 PM) *
Again, I fail to see how laughing in a public place, in this instance, the lobby of a heavy metal concert where people go to talk and use the bathroom is considered a lack of manners. If anything you're fully proving the point of the orignal post and myself. Swedes are miserable and the fact you think laughing goes against the social norm only cements the fact of how backwards and miserable Swedish society is as a whole.

"Don't come here complaining"

Kek... maybe you missed the entire point of this thread. It's me complaining about how insane it is to migrate to Sweden despite being married to a Swed and having Swedish children. The fact I've been here for over a year and will most likely have to wait another year just to get a piece of paper saying that I can indeed live here is insane.



For someone who has only been here a year, I would give it at least minimum 6 years to understand social protocol...

Yes. Being married and having Swedish children, you should have automatic rights.
But our politics is a joke.

9000 afghans will sadly and probably get their visa to stay before you do.
A fucked up migration system we have here...

Posted by: SmokerT69 7.Jun.2018, 04:21 PM

Was just talking to my wife about the absurdity of this conversation.

She told me to say "Jantelagen". She said this best describes how Swedes are. And that if I want to fit in I have to "become a lagom Swede" and avoid any conflict and don't show interest in anything. Lol

Posted by: Svedallas 7.Jun.2018, 04:44 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 7.Jun.2018, 05:21 PM) *
Was just talking to my wife about the absurdity of this conversation.

She told me to say "Jantelagen". She said this best describes how Swedes are. And that if I want to fit in I have to "become a lagom Swede" and avoid any conflict and don't show interest in anything. Lol


Your wife was right!

You have to be a lagom "Swede" for the most part.

However, you need to find Swedish friends who do not take lagom so seriously. There are plenty...

Sweden is not that bad as people make it out to be. It is about finding the right sort of people who can give you balance. If not, yes, you are right, there will be a lot of conflict, especially socially, and you will develop an unnecessary complex about yourself.

Posted by: Gjeebes 7.Jun.2018, 05:20 PM

Wow, Sveddy reveals all, yet no real surprises.

You engage in "discussion" where you claim to be the Meatballian authority of "laughing matters", whilst being completely unaware that the whole time, "you" are directly the focus of all laughing matters related to this thread.

In fact, I'm laughing at your utterly miserable, backwards outlook, right now.

The Swedish model: kill the laughter, together.

Posted by: Svedallas 7.Jun.2018, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 7.Jun.2018, 06:20 PM) *
Wow, Sveddy reveals all, yet no real surprises.

You engage in "discussion" where you claim to be the Meatballian authority of "laughing matters", whilst being completely unaware that the whole time, "you" are directly the focus of all laughing matters related to this thread.

In fact, I'm laughing at your utterly miserable, backwards outlook, right now.

The Swedish model: kill the laughter, together.


HeebeeJeebees...
Not happy in Germany too??

Posted by: Gjeebes 7.Jun.2018, 06:51 PM

Quite happy in Germany, thanks for your "concern".

Still miserable living your waste of a life, in Meatballia?

Woof.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 7.Jun.2018, 07:39 PM

In defense of svedallas, don't know why really, they have been a much more supportive and level headed presence in this forum as of late

They came to sweden iN a different time and social climate so their opinions on some things may be irrelevant or outdated, and on the flip, their time in Sweden brings a valid, possibly more Swedish, point of view.

Just because they are happy in Sweden doesn't mean they support all the nonsense, political, cultural, or social.

Someone can live in any country, be happy and proud of the country, and still think the culture, or politics, or the whole country for that matter, is a joke. Take the US fir instance, so much ridiculous bullshit there, but many are still proud and support and defend it.

Doesnt mean they have their head in the sand.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 7.Jun.2018, 08:09 PM

What is missing here and seems to be always missing in these discussions is that Swedes are being judged by cultures that are foreign to Sweden!!!

When people move to Sweden they bring their own upbringing and culture to their new home...And guess what...it does not work as expected!!!

You cannot take your lifestyle and judge others who are not familiar with it...

This ongoing problem is called culture shock!!!

So remember when you say bad things about Swedes you are using standards that are just as foreign to them as theirs are to you

Be nice rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 7.Jun.2018, 09:02 PM

Smoker, what has your Swedish partner said about the situation you are now in? Do they understand that Sweden probably isn't the place for your family if it is keeping you down/ hoLding you back/ not letting you live?

Sorry if you've answered this previously. I hope your partner understands the mistake of moving to sweden when you dont get the chance to have an opportunity at a fulfilling life. Are they open to moving back to Bermuda, beautiful island by the way, or England?

Best of luck to you!

Posted by: Svedallas 7.Jun.2018, 09:02 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 7.Jun.2018, 08:39 PM) *
In defense of svedallas, don't know why really, they have been a much more supportive and level headed presence in this forum as of late

They came to sweden iN a different time and social climate so their opinions on some things may be irrelevant or outdated, and on the flip, their time in Sweden brings a valid, possibly more Swedish, point of view.

Just because they are happy in Sweden doesn't mean they support all the nonsense, political, cultural, or social.

Someone can live in any country, be happy and proud of the country, and still think the culture, or politics, or the whole country for that matter, is a joke. Take the US fir instance, so much ridiculous bullshit there, but many are still proud and support and defend it.

Doesnt mean they have their head in the sand.


As of today SD is the 2nd most popular party. It is no surprise.

Besides our political problems, and social structure at its brink. I would never leave this country, even if someone would pay me to. When you have family and friends, why would one leave?

I have seen friends who tried to move, and they always move back home.
This is because, Sweden is actually good at many things. But in the past decade, it has been pretty shit. There is no denying that.

The immigration problem is a big part of it. When people have no chance of a job, they are likely to be lured into crime, and that is where sweden is being insanely naive...
More details on that you can see Gjeebees posts, which do shed some truth to the failing structure.

But still, would rather be here, than any other country in the world.
I mean a borderline porn star was able to get a woman released in prison in the US.
Embarrasing.

Posted by: Svedallas 7.Jun.2018, 09:11 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 7.Jun.2018, 08:39 PM) *
In defense of svedallas, don't know why really, they have been a much more supportive and level headed presence in this forum as of late

They came to sweden iN a different time and social climate so their opinions on some things may be irrelevant or outdated, and on the flip, their time in Sweden brings a valid, possibly more Swedish, point of view.

Just because they are happy in Sweden doesn't mean they support all the nonsense, political, cultural, or social.

Someone can live in any country, be happy and proud of the country, and still think the culture, or politics, or the whole country for that matter, is a joke. Take the US fir instance, so much ridiculous bullshit there, but many are still proud and support and defend it.

Doesnt mean they have their head in the sand.


It must be the great weather lately.
Negative trolls like wallace spit hate to forums, when it is unnecessary.

The forums used to be great for fruitful debate, but past few years, it is just immigration and visa questions, and frustrated trolls.

I do welcome good debates. But pure hate on a constant gets irritating and boring.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 7.Jun.2018, 09:33 PM

Amen...

Posted by: wallace1837 7.Jun.2018, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 7.Jun.2018, 10:11 PM) *
I do welcome good debates. But pure hate on a constant gets irritating and boring.

Still confused between information and feelings.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 7.Jun.2018, 09:56 PM

QUOTE (cheeseburger @ 7.Jun.2018, 11:56 AM) *
Hello again.
Does the people on this thread think that going to UK would it be more sensible and "easier"??
Thank you for your help by the way!!
By the way, i am not the more social Spaniard but all the times i have visited Stockholm i was a little shocked about how closed/shy or antisocial or whatever you want to call it are the people, i have not met this "problem" in other European countries when i was there.
I am aware that comparing with a italian or a spanish, a british seems shy, but the sweden are more than that.


Hi,

I tried to send you a PM but for some reason it is not working.

Piece of advice. If you have savings and you are planing to move to a country to have a new life or find new opportunities. Please, DO NOT move to sweden.

Go to the UK. Specially if you are fluent in English. There, there is a way more open mindset but not only that, more fair opportunities where your education won't be downgraded or make excuses to say you need to go back to school. Seriously, swedes have no problem in saying your education is worthless, I have NEVER seen anything like that.

Also there is more job flexibility in the UK. In sweden hiring someone is expensive and risky so that is a double sword because in sweden employers are very conservative and don't want to take risks. Here unless you have some special skills that they need, chances are you will end up having to downgrade your ambitions and take jobs that are below your skills.

Do not waste your savings in moving to sweden, please. Housing is impossible and full of barriers. People queue just to find stable long term rentals. Second hand are expensive and meant for short term stay. They never speak about it anywhere... Have you noticed?. not a single word in english and the few articles explain the problem in a way where you cannot see the big picture of how bad the situation is for new comers. They will take your money and burn you out.

You will read fancy articles saying that sweden is a paradise full of opportunities but I can guarantee you, you will never find such a hard country to establish and find housing and work other but sweden. The whole system is designed to make your life difficult, housing, and work is full of impediments. Despite swedes speak fluent english, it is almost impossible to find a job just with english unless you go for the few international companies and these companies rely more on connections and have tons of applications so you will not be the only one competing for these jobs.

Comparing the UK with sweden is pointless. Because british are way more open and flexible to accept people from other countries and their record shows that, consistently.

Comparing Spain and sweden and despite the terrible situation in Spain regarding employment, low salaries and lack of job opportunities. I must say moving to Spain, finding apartment and a low end job is a million times easier for a foreigner than in sweden.

When I left Spain I thought we were the worst. Now I realize the only worst part about Spain is the massive lack of jobs. Everything else is WAY better and MORE affordable than in sweden. You cannot imagine how overpriced things are in sweden. Including food. Not to mention that if you have a good paying job in Spain, which is difficult, you will have a quality of life that will exceed by far compare to a rich swede who lives in sweden.

Be smart, don't waste your savings in a country designed to make your life difficult from day one. Accept the advise of someone who has been struggling in this country to find even the basic things like housing.

Go the UK, Ireland, Canada...Antartica... Just kidding about antartica... ;-)

Posted by: SmokerT69 7.Jun.2018, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 7.Jun.2018, 10:02 PM) *
Smoker, what has your Swedish partner said about the situation you are now in? Do they understand that Sweden probably isn't the place for your family if it is keeping you down/ hoLding you back/ not letting you live?

Sorry if you've answered this previously. I hope your partner understands the mistake of moving to sweden when you dont get the chance to have an opportunity at a fulfilling life. Are they open to moving back to Bermuda, beautiful island by the way, or England?

Best of luck to you!


We could always move back to Bermuda or the UK, or Canada for that matter. The whole reason we moved here was because my wife wanted our kids to grow up around her family. Her entire family lives within 5mins to 1 hour away. My family on the other hand is spread out all over the world from New Zealand to Canada, to Bermuda, to Spain. It's her mum's first grandchildren as well. The schooling in Bermuda isn't that good unless you put your kids in a private school. But they're all catholic with nuns and everything, lol. I went through that and don't want my kids to go to a religious school.

As for not letting me live... it's really annoying with the immigration and just all around absurdity of the situation. I mean they've even sent me to a refugee center. We can't help it but just laugh about it at this point. For now, I get to spend to a lot of time with my daughter and I'm learning Swedish. I've also been able to catch up on a lot of movies and TV series which I wasn't able to watch during the last 6 years in the army hahaha. Not to mention, I have so much free time that I'm practically a god on my video games. My wife makes more than enough money and worst case scenario I can just go and work a few months in Bermuda. We went back to visit in March and I got two jobs offers during the 3 weeks I was there. We don't have so many restrictions like sweden on overtime. I can easily make 1,200$ a week doing a simple job like driving a fork lift. Which you also don't need licenses for XD

Posted by: SmokerT69 7.Jun.2018, 11:29 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 7.Jun.2018, 09:09 PM) *
What is missing here and seems to be always missing in these discussions is that Swedes are being judged by cultures that are foreign to Sweden!!!

When people move to Sweden they bring their own upbringing and culture to their new home...And guess what...it does not work as expected!!!

You cannot take your lifestyle and judge others who are not familiar with it...

This ongoing problem is called culture shock!!!

So remember when you say bad things about Swedes you are using standards that are just as foreign to them as theirs are to you

Be nice rolleyes.gif


Not sure if this was directed at me... I did not bring my own culture or upbringing lol. In fact I'm a pretty much go with the flow type of guy. I find a lot of things Swedes do strange, and actually really annoying, like taking fika all the god damn time. My wife's family always wants to fika. Can't we just go get lunch? Why do we have to go drink coffee and eat snacks constantly lol. Drives me nuts, but I do it anyway because they all seem to enjoy it.

But again, I'm not bring my "lifestyle" or "culture" and trying to impose it on others. I am simply trying to move here. Which seems to be nearly impossible I might add. Or if this was about Swedes being miserable. It was an actual Swede who told me that. I still can't understand how laughing is considered to be against the social norm. That's something I can expect in Saudi Arabia, not a European nation.

And just to put the shoe on the other foot. A Swede could move to the UK and not have any issues. We're a lot more accepting of other cultures, at least European ones that is. But yea, a Swede living in the UK being anti social, cold and distant wouldn't really bother anyone. And at the same time, we wouldn't have an issue with someone laughing in public. Unless you're in Liverpool, never let your guard down around a scouser...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 8.Jun.2018, 12:53 AM

What I am trying to bring out is Swedes are different...not bad, it's just the way they are... comparing them to what you/anybody thinks is wrong as it applies to your culture/behaviour...

Swedes are unique and a lot of people want to be among them, but you can't expect them to change to suit any other culture/behaviour but theirs...

Pacem In Terris...

Posted by: Gjeebes 8.Jun.2018, 04:18 AM

"Swedes are unique and a lot of people want to be among them..."

Bahaahahaaaa! Is its really so? Or is it more that the vast majority of "those" people come from even bigger shit-holes, where by comparison, even Romania would be an improvement?

And then there is the "before" and "after". Once you live there, you can't escape seeing the facade crumble right before your eyes!

You'd know that, all-knowing Gamla, had you actually ever lived here, rather than merely "living-it" second-hand, vicariously, through the experiences of your Meatballian kin.

Did you ever consider, that you just don't get "it"...and that you don't even know what "it" is?

Posted by: Svedallas 8.Jun.2018, 07:46 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 7.Jun.2018, 10:35 PM) *
Still confused between information and feelings.


Wallace click below:

https://sl.se/en/eng-info/fares/arlanda/

Posted by: Svedallas 8.Jun.2018, 07:53 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 8.Jun.2018, 12:11 AM) *
We could always move back to Bermuda or the UK, or Canada for that matter. The whole reason we moved here was because my wife wanted our kids to grow up around her family. Her entire family lives within 5mins to 1 hour away. My family on the other hand is spread out all over the world from New Zealand to Canada, to Bermuda, to Spain. It's her mum's first grandchildren as well. The schooling in Bermuda isn't that good unless you put your kids in a private school. But they're all catholic with nuns and everything, lol. I went through that and don't want my kids to go to a religious school.

As for not letting me live... it's really annoying with the immigration and just all around absurdity of the situation. I mean they've even sent me to a refugee center. We can't help it but just laugh about it at this point. For now, I get to spend to a lot of time with my daughter and I'm learning Swedish. I've also been able to catch up on a lot of movies and TV series which I wasn't able to watch during the last 6 years in the army hahaha. Not to mention, I have so much free time that I'm practically a god on my video games. My wife makes more than enough money and worst case scenario I can just go and work a few months in Bermuda. We went back to visit in March and I got two jobs offers during the 3 weeks I was there. We don't have so many restrictions like sweden on overtime. I can easily make 1,200$ a week doing a simple job like driving a fork lift. Which you also don't need licenses for XD


The UK could be an option.
There are currently plenty of jobs, and the flight is only 2 hours.

I know some families who commute frequently.
Does bermuda have an agreement with the UK? As an ex colony?

Posted by: wallace1837 8.Jun.2018, 08:53 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 8.Jun.2018, 08:46 AM) *
Wallace click below:

https://sl.se/en/eng-info/fares/arlanda/

I am not going to Arlanda, it is in Sweden!

Posted by: SmokerT69 8.Jun.2018, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 8.Jun.2018, 08:53 AM) *
The UK could be an option.
There are currently plenty of jobs, and the flight is only 2 hours.

I know some families who commute frequently.
Does bermuda have an agreement with the UK? As an ex colony?


Bermuda is still a colony. Well, we don't call it that anymore. It's an "overseas territory". We have our own parliment and laws, similar to Scotland. But the UK has final say in all matters. We are all British citizens by birth. Out laws are largely based on England but we don't follow their lead. For example our government decided to not join the EU human rights and abide by their laws. For issues like gay marriage and so on, we hold referendums.

All bermudians have the right to live and work in Great Britain, but not the other way around. British citizens have to apply for a work permit or visa if they are staying longer than 90 days. Anyone married to a Bermudian has automatic right to live, work and own a business etc.

Posted by: Svedallas 8.Jun.2018, 11:39 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 8.Jun.2018, 09:53 AM) *
I am not going to Arlanda, it is in Sweden!


You idiot.
From Arlanda, take the first plane out of here.

You are not wanted here either.

Posted by: Svedallas 8.Jun.2018, 11:41 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 8.Jun.2018, 12:27 PM) *
Bermuda is still a colony. Well, we don't call it that anymore. It's an "overseas territory". We have our own parliment and laws, similar to Scotland. But the UK has final say in all matters. We are all British citizens by birth. Out laws are largely based on England but we don't follow their lead. For example our government decided to not join the EU human rights and abide by their laws. For issues like gay marriage and so on, we hold referendums.

All bermudians have the right to live and work in Great Britain, but not the other way around. British citizens have to apply for a work permit or visa if they are staying longer than 90 days. Anyone married to a Bermudian has automatic right to live, work and own a business etc.


Then, in that case. Try and find work via the UK - since you qualify to apply for there. Some companies can allow remote work...

Isn't it crazy that these 9000 failed asylum seekers will have more of a right.
I am livid.

Posted by: wallace1837 8.Jun.2018, 12:58 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 8.Jun.2018, 12:39 PM) *
You idiot.
From Arlanda, take the first plane out of here.

You are not wanted here either.

Why do you think I am in Sweden?

Posted by: Svedallas 8.Jun.2018, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 8.Jun.2018, 01:58 PM) *
Why do you think I am in Sweden?


Simple. Your mentally disturbed obsession.

Posted by: wallace1837 8.Jun.2018, 06:44 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 8.Jun.2018, 04:30 PM) *
Simple. Your mentally disturbed obsession.

Do you think that mentally disturbed are only found in Sweden?

Or do you think that people who use data, and not state propaganda, to make informed decision are to be labelled as mentally disturbed in Sweden, but no where else in the world?

I seriously think that you are focusing too much on my mental well being, and not on the well being of your nation.

Posted by: SmokerT69 14.Jun.2018, 10:14 PM

Well, guess I should update. I just posted in another thread about this. But I logged into my account on migrationsverket and this is what I got.

https://imgur.com/a/xK1xpSj

Has anyone else gone through the route of moving to a Swedish family member to get a residence permit? Is this really the average waiting time? At the rate I'm moving to Sweden, seems like Brexit is going to go through before I even get a response from the government lol.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 14.Jun.2018, 10:50 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 14.Jun.2018, 11:14 PM) *
Well, guess I should update. I just posted in another thread about this. But I logged into my account on migrationsverket and this is what I got.

https://imgur.com/a/xK1xpSj

Has anyone else gone through the route of moving to a Swedish family member to get a residence permit? Is this really the average waiting time? At the rate I'm moving to Sweden, seems like Brexit is going to go through before I even get a response from the government lol.


What was the waiting time?

Posted by: SmokerT69 15.Jun.2018, 01:09 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 14.Jun.2018, 11:50 PM) *
What was the waiting time?


In the picture I linked, the migrationsverket page told me 13-17 months is my updated wait time. Apparently it gets updated at the beginning of every month.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 15.Jun.2018, 07:39 AM

QUOTE (SmokerTBritish e='15.Jun.2018, 02:09 AM) *
In thre I linked, the migrationsverket page told me 13-17 months is my updisn't wait time. Apparently it gets updated at the bwithin ng of every month.


I couldnt open the picture, that's why I asked.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it could be even longer than that. Upwards to 2 full years, 24 month wait. Maybe longer.

My intention isnt to fuel your frustrations but aren't you the person from Bermuda who has a British passport and therefor an EU citizen? Dont you have an almost automatic right to live and work within other EU countries... Sweden. Can't you bypass migrationsverket and go get a personnummer at skatteverket by bringing in proof of swedish
Residency and your british passport?

Sorry if you already explained all this. No need to respond if you have.
Best of luck! And try to focus on the good things because there is no way to speed up or influence MV to do so.

Posted by: SmokerT69 15.Jun.2018, 08:52 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 15.Jun.2018, 08:39 AM) *
I couldnt open the picture, that's why I asked.

Hate to be the bearer of bad news but it could be even longer than that. Upwards to 2 full years, 24 month wait. Maybe longer.

My intention isnt to fuel your frustrations but aren't you the person from Bermuda who has a British passport and therefor an EU citizen? Dont you have an almost automatic right to live and work within other EU countries... Sweden. Can't you bypass migrationsverket and go get a personnummer at skatteverket by bringing in proof of swedish
Residency and your british passport?

Sorry if you already explained all this. No need to respond if you have.
Best of luck! And try to focus on the good things because there is no way to speed up or influence MV to do so.


I've already tried that with skatteverket lol. I'm in the system now I guess. So everytime I go, they just say there's nothing they can do because of Brexit or because I don't have a job. But the job offers I have got, they said they won't hire me until I have a personummer. So yea... work that out. Skattsverket also told me I'm not allowed to go to SFI as well. Which I now found out is bullshit as well. During my recent visits to skattsverket, they sent me to a refugee center. I even tried going to skattsverket in a different city. They told me to apply to migrationsverket instead, but then whenever I go to migrationsverket. They simply tell me that I automatically have right of residence and to go back to skattsverket.

I met an Italian girl at SFI, she was having the same problems as me. So she told me to apply online as someone moving to a EU family member in Sweden. As apparently that's easier and then I'll get a paper saying that I can actually live here which skattsverket will have to accept. That's what that waiting time above is for. I don't know if the fact I've been here for over a year now is gonna effect my application though.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 15.Jun.2018, 09:06 AM

@Sawhatwhen - there is no automatic right to move to any EU country as an EU citizen, except to the UK! Other countries beyond a 3 months tourist visit set conditions such as job contract, place at university, sufficient wealth, etc.

Because the UK didn't impose these rules and allowed free access to the health system, and accepted Bulgarians and Romanians to immigrate immediately after their countries joined the EU - rather than impose a 6 year delay like other sane countries - is what caused a lot of dissatisfaction and led to Brexit.

Posted by: Martian 15.Jun.2018, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 15.Jun.2018, 10:06 AM) *
@Sawhatwhen - there is no automatic right to move to any EU country as an EU citizen, except to the UK! Other countries beyond a 3 months tourist visit set conditions such as job contract, place at university, sufficient wealth, etc.

Because the UK didn't impose these rules and allowed free access to the health system, and accepted Bulgarians and Romanians to immigrate immediately after their countries joined the EU - rather than impose a 6 year delay like other sane countries - is what caused a lot of dissatisfaction and led to Brexit.




Eureka!

Posted by: Svedallas 15.Jun.2018, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 8.Jun.2018, 07:44 PM) *
Do you think that mentally disturbed are only found in Sweden?

Or do you think that people who use data, and not state propaganda, to make informed decision are to be labelled as mentally disturbed in Sweden, but no where else in the world?

I seriously think that you are focusing too much on my mental well being, and not on the well being of your nation.


GET A LIFE.

Leave Sweden. Choice is yours. You are obsessed with Sweden, it is sad.

Posted by: Svedallas 15.Jun.2018, 03:47 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 15.Jun.2018, 09:52 AM) *
I've already tried that with skatteverket lol. I'm in the system now I guess. So everytime I go, they just say there's nothing they can do because of Brexit or because I don't have a job. But the job offers I have got, they said they won't hire me until I have a personummer. So yea... work that out. Skattsverket also told me I'm not allowed to go to SFI as well. Which I now found out is bullshit as well. During my recent visits to skattsverket, they sent me to a refugee center. I even tried going to skattsverket in a different city. They told me to apply to migrationsverket instead, but then whenever I go to migrationsverket. They simply tell me that I automatically have right of residence and to go back to skattsverket.

I met an Italian girl at SFI, she was having the same problems as me. So she told me to apply online as someone moving to a EU family member in Sweden. As apparently that's easier and then I'll get a paper saying that I can actually live here which skattsverket will have to accept. That's what that waiting time above is for. I don't know if the fact I've been here for over a year now is gonna effect my application though.


You could work as a consultant, and invoice them via UK.
Many people have done that. But there is no benefits in Sweden that you are covered for...just basic EU rights for health.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 15.Jun.2018, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 15.Jun.2018, 10:06 AM) *
@Sawhatwhen - there is no automatic right to move to any EU country as an EU citizen, except to the UK! Other countries beyond a 3 months tourist visit set conditions such as job contract, place at university, sufficient wealth, etc.

Because the UK didn't impose these rules and allowed free access to the health system, and accepted Bulgarians and Romanians to immigrate immediately after their countries joined the EU - rather than impose a 6 year delay like other sane countries - is what caused a lot of dissatisfaction and led to Brexit.



Aha. I honestly didn't know... I thought that was part of the EU agreement. But, as you said, I guess that just permitted people to vacation more freely as tourists.

Then I don't know if I believe the original poster... If you actually had job offers, or if an employer actually said no number no job... Because the employer would know you could be hired, start work, get things sorted out at skatteverket and then be paid retroactively.

There's also a samordningsnummer, if I'm spelling correctly. That would apply if you had a job offer and if employers don't know about this then inform them. It's not a personnummer but a number for tax purposes for employment or studying... I believe

Posted by: Cheeseroller 15.Jun.2018, 05:20 PM

Most of the UK are not aware of this and that it was successive governments that allowed mass immigration, while failing to plan for the additional infrastructure required. And no doubt, despite such ruinous organisation, they still believe Brexit will bring endless summers and unicorns.

Posted by: Billy_UK 15.Jun.2018, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 14.Jun.2018, 09:14 PM) *
Well, guess I should update. I just posted in another thread about this. But I logged into my account on migrationsverket and this is what I got.

https://imgur.com/a/xK1xpSj

Has anyone else gone through the route of moving to a Swedish family member to get a residence permit? Is this really the average waiting time? At the rate I'm moving to Sweden, seems like Brexit is going to go through before I even get a response from the government lol.


When i moved here in 2013 i was told it could take up to 14 months but got a decision after 2 months.

Posted by: SmokerT69 16.Jun.2018, 02:03 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 15.Jun.2018, 05:05 PM) *
Aha. I honestly didn't know... I thought that was part of the EU agreement. But, as you said, I guess that just permitted people to vacation more freely as tourists.

Then I don't know if I believe the original poster... If you actually had job offers, or if an employer actually said no number no job... Because the employer would know you could be hired, start work, get things sorted out at skatteverket and then be paid retroactively.

There's also a samordningsnummer, if I'm spelling correctly. That would apply if you had a job offer and if employers don't know about this then inform them. It's not a personnummer but a number for tax purposes for employment or studying... I believe


The majority of jobs here that seem to be available are not what we would call full time. Not sure if that has anything to do with it. It seems they want seasonal workers or part time. No doubt it's probably got something to do with taxes or something. That's just my guess. I found it really weird myself that they had a job, but then took it back once they found out I didnt have a personummer. I'm assuming that they would have to hire me full time to get a personummer and have to pay insurance or something. Not sure.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 16.Jun.2018, 07:30 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 16.Jun.2018, 03:03 AM) *
The majority of jobs here that seem to be available are not what we would call full time.sure if that has anything to do with it. It seems they want seasonal workers or part time. No doubt it's probably got something to do with taxes or something. That's just my guess. I found it really weird myself that they had a job, but then took it back once they found out I didnt have a personummer. I'm assuming that they would have to hire me full time to get a personummer and have to pay insurance or something. Not sure.



Unless it's black market work, paying you under the table, every form of work, part time, full time, permanent, contracted... All of it is taxed.

I think youre bogus... Or having a breakdown more serious than you can recognize.. Besides, what are you doing posting on this forum at 3 in the morning when you supposedly have a child?

Posted by: Cheeseroller 16.Jun.2018, 11:27 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 16.Jun.2018, 08:30 AM) *
I think youre bogus... Or having a breakdown more serious than you can recognize.. Besides, what are you doing posting on this forum at 3 in the morning when you supposedly have a child?


He could be feeding the child, or like many of us, have insomnia.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 16.Jun.2018, 02:59 PM

[quote name='Cheeseroller' date='16.Jun.2018, 12:27 PM' post='931848']
He could be feeding the child, or like many of us, have insomnia.
Yes, I had that thought. Reality seems more unbelievable than truth sometimes, maybe most times.

No need to go that route. Sorry for the situation you're in, smoker.

Posted by: john.boy 17.Jun.2018, 10:29 AM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 15.Jun.2018, 10:06 AM) *
@Sawhatwhen - there is no automatic right to move to any EU country as an EU citizen, except to the UK! Other countries beyond a 3 months tourist visit set conditions such as job contract, place at university, sufficient wealth, etc.

The UK follows the same EU Directives as every other EU country, you cannot just move to the UK as you imply.

So much so that even now the benefit offices are supposed to even ask British Citizens if they have the Right of Residence in the UK. The NHS is supposed to check when treating a British Citizen if they have been resident in another EU Member State for more than a certain period prior to treatment, because they then have to re-charge (i.e. It isn't even free for returning/visiting expats).

Posted by: SmokerT69 18.Jun.2018, 11:52 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 16.Jun.2018, 08:30 AM) *
Unless it's black market work, paying you under the table, every form of work, part time, full time, permanent, contracted... All of it is taxed.

I think youre bogus... Or having a breakdown more serious than you can recognize.. Besides, what are you doing posting on this forum at 3 in the morning when you supposedly have a child?


My daughter has been sick the last few days and not sleeping properly. I didnt know that you're only allowed to post at certain times in order to be taken seriously lol

You're more than welcome to look back through the thread. I've actually posted my immigration documents from skatteverket and migrationsverket with my real names on them. I have nothing to hide lol

Also, my brother in law tried to get me a job with him. Manuel labour, setting up stages and musical equipment. The boss there turned me down as well. Something to do with him not wanting to pay insurance? So he took his real brother instead

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 19.Jun.2018, 06:43 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 18.Jun.2018, 12:52 PM) *
My daughter een sick the last few days and not sleeping properly. I didnt know that you're only allemail to post at certain times Have yoirder to be taken seriously lol

You're more than welcome to look back through the thread. I've actually posted my immigration documents from skatteverket and migrationsverket with my real names on them. I have nothing to hide lol

Also, my brother in law tried to get me a job with him. Manuel labour, setting up stages and musical equipment. The boss there turned me down as well. Something to do with him not wanting to pay insurance? So he took his real brother instead


No, that's fine. Doesn't matter if you're real or not. Oddly though, after I had clicked a link you posted about this "infornation" of yours in MV, later that day I had an email notification that my account had an unsuccessful sync attempted from Ukraine...

Maybe a coincidence...


Are you black? You said you were sent to a refugee camp by accident. sadly, in sweden, you will probably be seen as a refugee wherever you go. That alone will give you trouble trying to get a job.

Have you looked into a samordningsnummer and ever mentioned that to an employer? Employers will have to pay insurance and tax unless you work illegally.

Posted by: SmokerT69 19.Jun.2018, 11:22 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 19.Jun.2018, 07:43 AM) *
No, that's fine. Doesn't matter if you're real or not. Oddly though, after I had clicked a link you posted about this "infornation" of yours in MV, later that day I had an email notification that my account had an unsuccessful sync attempted from Ukraine...

Maybe a coincidence...


Are you black? You said you were sent to a refugee camp by accident. sadly, in sweden, you will probably be seen as a refugee wherever you go. That alone will give you trouble trying to get a job.

Have you looked into a samordningsnummer and ever mentioned that to an employer? Employers will have to pay insurance and tax unless you work illegally.


The links I've posted are nothing but discord image links. I didnt feel like uploading them to imgur.com or something. I've been asking my mates from online games to help me because a few of them are Swedish.

No, I'm not black. Which is what made the situation so funny. I had my Swedish friend come with me as well. I can only describe him as a rocker lol, long blonde hair, tattoos all over, and wears leather lol. I'm white, blonde hair, blue eyes, ginger beard, you cant get more generic white than me. Even the security guard at the center looked suprised when we walked in and asked us if we were at the right place.

What is samordningsnummer? That's just a temporary personummer right? Isn't that just for when you buy a car or something?

Posted by: Svedallas 19.Jun.2018, 11:51 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 19.Jun.2018, 07:43 AM) *
No, that's fine. Doesn't matter if you're real or not. Oddly though, after I had clicked a link you posted about this "infornation" of yours in MV, later that day I had an email notification that my account had an unsuccessful sync attempted from Ukraine...

Maybe a coincidence...


Are you black? You said you were sent to a refugee camp by accident. sadly, in sweden, you will probably be seen as a refugee wherever you go. That alone will give you trouble trying to get a job.

Have you looked into a samordningsnummer and ever mentioned that to an employer? Employers will have to pay insurance and tax unless you work illegally.


There are more Arabic refugees than "blacks" who are refugees or claiming that status... - you live in Sweden right?

And.. you sound like a racist prick, who says "black".

Posted by: Martian 19.Jun.2018, 12:27 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 19.Jun.2018, 12:51 PM) *
There are more Arabic refugees than "blacks" who are refugees or claiming that status... - you live in Sweden right?

And.. you sound like a racist prick, who says "black".


+1

Posted by: Martian 19.Jun.2018, 12:33 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 19.Jun.2018, 12:22 PM) *
The links I've posted are nothing but discord image links. I didnt feel like uploading them to imgur.com or something. I've been asking my mates from online games to help me because a few of them are Swedish.

No, I'm not black. Which is what made the situation so funny. I had my Swedish friend come with me as well. I can only describe him as a rocker lol, long blonde hair, tattoos all over, and wears leather lol. I'm white, blonde hair, blue eyes, ginger beard, you cant get more generic white than me. Even the security guard at the center looked suprised when we walked in and asked us if we were at the right place.

What is samordningsnummer? That's just a temporary personummer right? Isn't that just for when you buy a car or something?



Save yourself the energy of explaining and re-explaining everything you already detailed on your thread to a racist pig who never read your posts and probably doesn't live in Sweden. No sane person deserves any further explanation other than all the information you already highlighted here. Saywhatwhat is a racist troll. Stop feeding it!

Posted by: SmokerT69 19.Jun.2018, 12:42 PM

Quick question, is saying black racist in Sweden? I come from a majority black country, around 70% black if I remember correctly. And we say black, it's even how our government forms are filled out when they ask for your race. You can choose black, white, mixed, asian or Portuguese. Not sure why Portuguese is listed as it's own race in Bermuda... it just is... but here in Sweden do you do like the Americans and say African Swedish or something?

Posted by: Martian 19.Jun.2018, 12:59 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 19.Jun.2018, 01:42 PM) *
Quick question, is saying black racist in Sweden? I come from a majority black country, around 70% black if I remember correctly. And we say black, it's even how our government forms are filled out when they ask for your race. You can choose black, white, mixed, asian or Portuguese. Not sure why Portuguese is listed as it's own race in Bermuda... it just is... but here in Sweden do you do like the Americans and say African Swedish or something?




For me, you can describe any race any way and however you want. However, post #187 is a racist post which portrays all Ukrainians as fraudsters and all blacks as jobless refugees.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Jun.2018, 01:24 PM

In the old days, you could call a spade a spade without fear of being branded as a racist...

Posted by: intrepidfox 19.Jun.2018, 02:32 PM

Nothing wrong with being a racist to protect your culture from rapists, gangster, child and women abusers.

American blacks call each other niggers. Are they racists.

Arabs in Sweden abuse the whites by calling women whores or saying thay will fuck their mothers etc. Racism goes only one way

Get of your high horses and stop this pathetic pc crap. Nobody cares about being called a racist anymore because the word has been so over used.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Jun.2018, 02:55 PM

+10!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 19.Jun.2018, 05:04 PM

[quote name='Martian' date='19.Jun.2018, 01:59 PM' t='931954']
For me, you can describe any race any way and however u want. However, post #187 is a racist post which portrays all Ukrainians as fraudsters and blacks as jobless refugees.
uote]


You are cuckoo and a hypocrit with your statement. How about calling them black People rather than "blacks". You too svedallas...no hypocrit just cuckoo for your knee jerk reaction and calling me a racist. Whatever though.

Maybe I should correct myself and ask him if he was black or brown? Because if you are black or brown in sweden, and not Indian or Asian, then you will probably have a hard time finding work... Even as a white immigrant it is hard, as you see smoker, to find work, let alone be a black bermudan here. And smoker also understood it was in context of their going to refugee center. I don't know Bermuda but I don't think there are many people who look like middle easterners

Whats funny is that smoker took no offense, in fact they were backing me up, and if they were black they probably wouldn't either. Some black people prefer African American, some prefer black some prefer afro carribean some prefer whatever and it's all good.

White people or Caucasian or European or mixed European or euro native pacific island American Australian.

As for the ukranian thing, that's simply what my notice said. If it were China, I would have said that, oops did I just become racist against Chinese people? oh wait, it was you, martian, who called Ukrainians fraudsters... Your words, not mine. More telling of yourself I think. Or what if it was from Norway...

However, I guess I could have finished my thought and said, but I'm nowhere near Ukraine. But who would have thought all the crazies come out. Oh wait, this is the internet. Nice to meet y'all!

Posted by: Gjeebes 19.Jun.2018, 05:14 PM

Hey Sveddy! I have a black car! I'm sure being a Meatball, you will have some problem with that.

What am I then...oh, I forgot to mention, I also "own" that black car.

In Meatballian day-dream think, does that make me some kind of Slave Master?

Please do elaborate...we are all waiting to witness the illustriousness of the Meatballian ways.

Oh, and Sveddy, am I allowed to say "white person" or is that also racist? Please do explain!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 19.Jun.2018, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 19.Jun.2018, 12:22 PM) *
The links I've posted are nothing but discord image links. I didnt feel like uploading them to imgur.com or something. I've been asking my mates from online games to help me because a few of them are Swedish.

No, I'm not black. Which is what made the situation so funny. I had my Swedish friend come with me as well. I can only describe him as a rocfor lol, long blonde hair, tattoos all over, and wearS leather lol. I'm white, blonde hair, blue eyes, ginger beard, you cant get more generic white than me. Even the security guard at the center looked suprised when we walked in and asked us if we were at the right place.

What is samordningsnummer? That's just a temporary personummer right? Isn't that just for when you buy a car or something?



Wait, you didn't upload it to imgur???? Because that's actually where your link took me but no image came up.

Either way, I don't know for sure, a samordningsnummer is a temporary personnunner but just for tax purposes such as working or studying. And I believe it was more designed for EU citizens since, I thought, they had a right to work. I think the way it is set up is that if you had a job offer, now this is where employers will be deterred, the employer would then contact skatteverket and arrange the samordningsnummer for you. Granted you'll have to provide information.

You're unfortunately unable to obtain this number yourself to then be able to seek work more confidently and have no "red flags" or something that can hinder your chance of employment.

Posted by: SmokerT69 19.Jun.2018, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 19.Jun.2018, 06:21 PM) *
Wait, you didn't upload it to imgur???? Because that's actually where your link took me but no image came up.

Either way, I don't know for sure, a samordningsnummer is a temporary personnunner but just for tax purposes such as working or studying. And I believe it was more designed for EU citizens since, I thought, they had a right to work. I think the way it is set up is that if you had a job offer, now this is where employers will be deterred, the employer would then contact skatteverket and arrange the samordningsnummer for you. Granted you'll have to provide information.

You're unfortunately unable to obtain this number yourself to then be able to seek work more confidently and have no "red flags" or something that can hinder your chance of employment.


I was referring to my previous image from skatteverket that had my name on it in the form. The most recent one, of my wait time, is uploaded to imgur I think.

Ah, that makes more sense then. So it's probably just the employers not wanting to go through skattsverket and get me the temp number. I really can't blame them. All of my visits there in this town have been 2-4 hours waiting time. Funny enough, in Uppsala and Gävle, they were actually a lot quicker. It's obviously easier to simply hire a local. And considering the amount of Swedes I know on temporary work, there's no shortage of locals. The majority of jobs I would go into would be retail or manual labour. I worked as a warehouse manager for years, forklift operator and 6 years in the military. That doesn't really open a lot of doors for me here considering I'm still learning Swedish.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Jun.2018, 09:05 PM

Years ago there was a cartoon in the New Yorker Magazine...

It was a picture of a gathering of people in what obviously was a cocktail party...

A white woman with a drink in her hand was facing a black man...And the caption was...

"So what are you people calling yourselves now"???

Who gets to name who, and why???

Anybody disagree with "you people"??? laugh.gif

Posted by: SmokerT69 19.Jun.2018, 10:01 PM

Lol, from my experience, it seems to depend on the country. When my regiment was in camp lajune in the USA training with their marines, one of the US soldiers called our sergeant African American and he flipped out on him. "I'm not from f*cking Kenya"... lol.

Being from a majority black country, and being the only white kid in my high school from grade 9-10, I never experienced so much political correctness until I met people from overseas, or being online. But then again, everyone seems to get upset thsee days. My photography teacher actually use to call me her snow bunny and take the class outside during nice days so I could "get some sun". Lol

Anyway, I was just curious if calling people black was frowned on here. Because I tend to describe people by how they look, like we do in Bermuda. Didn't want to ruffle any feathers.

Posted by: Gjeebes 20.Jun.2018, 03:49 AM

Hey snow bunny! You are now in Sweden, virtue-signalling capitol of the universe. It is very fashionable to pick up virtue-signalling power-points there.

The lonely, isolated, boring Swedes are just dying to be validated and hence, you will notice them trying to out-do each other with their own brand of political-correctness.

It's really one of the only things they have left to look forward to in a given day!

Sveddy was likely typing with hen's dog watching, or, perhaps hen's mother, and was trying for some validation, hence the über-thick spreading on of the "virtue".

You'll not be able to keep up with the virtue-signalling "flavour of the week" in the big Meatball. But really, who cares what the Meatballs think?

Just get used to it, you dirty, racist, bastage! lol

Oh, right, I forgot "alcoholic" (re your comments about having a brewski or two whilst tending the the barbi)! Hell, in Sweden, just talking about alcohol makes you an alcoholic!

Swedes are quaint and sheltered...it's probably still taboo for women to show more than their ankles when wearing a dress! And for God's sake, never stare at their ankles, lest you next be called a pervert!!!

Posted by: SmokerT69 20.Jun.2018, 01:26 PM

Lol, I will say, you're comments always brighten up my day. Need a good chuckle

Posted by: Svedallas 20.Jun.2018, 02:16 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 19.Jun.2018, 03:32 PM) *
Nothing wrong with being a racist to protect your culture from rapists, gangster, child and women abusers.

American blacks call each other niggers. Are they racists.

Arabs in Sweden abuse the whites by calling women whores or saying thay will fuck their mothers etc. Racism goes only one way

Get of your high horses and stop this pathetic pc crap. Nobody cares about being called a racist anymore because the word has been so over used.


Middle East = Arabic

Black = African origin - as there are too few American blacks in Sweden to classify them as anything

Note - Arabs in Sweden are more racists towards people of African origin than Swedes hence, libya...I have seen them tell a pensioner that they will fuck them...

Posted by: Svedallas 20.Jun.2018, 02:38 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 19.Jun.2018, 10:05 PM) *
Years ago there was a cartoon in the New Yorker Magazine...

It was a picture of a gathering of people in what obviously was a cocktail party...

A white woman with a drink in her hand was facing a black man...And the caption was...

"So what are you people calling yourselves now"???

Who gets to name who, and why???

Anybody disagree with "you people"??? laugh.gif


Black American, African American - Who knows...its an identity crisis.
Same as those who state that they have 23% irish or italian in them.

Posted by: Gjeebes 20.Jun.2018, 04:13 PM

"Black = African origin - as there are too few American blacks in Sweden to classify them as anything"

Ok, so now, it's like you've all of a sudden lost the plot with thyne ole virtue-signalling there, Sveddenheimer.

Only a Swede could in one sentence call use of a "colour word" racist, and then in the next, use the same "colour word" (twice even, for gosh sakes) and also then finish with a "blacks in Sweden can't even be classified as "anything".

So how racist are you, oh mighty Meatball, for saying blacks aren't worth "anything"?

You, you dirty, racist, perverted, alcoholic, confused, communist, fembot bigot-monger!

Posted by: Svedallas 20.Jun.2018, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 20.Jun.2018, 05:13 PM) *
"Black = African origin - as there are too few American blacks in Sweden to classify them as anything"

Ok, so now, it's like you've all of a sudden lost the plot with thyne ole virtue-signalling there, Sveddenheimer.

Only a Swede could in one sentence call use of a "colour word" racist, and then in the next, use the same "colour word" (twice even, for gosh sakes) and also then finish with a "blacks in Sweden can't even be classified as "anything".

So how racist are you, oh mighty Meatball, for saying blacks aren't worth "anything"?

You, you dirty, racist, perverted, alcoholic, confused, communist, fembot bigot-monger!


You obviously do not have any friends of different ethnicities.

Ask them then come back. idiot.

Posted by: ChocOwl 20.Jun.2018, 07:25 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 20.Jun.2018, 02:26 PM) *
Lol, I will say, you're comments always brighten up my day. Need a good chuckle

I thought Gjeebes was going to move away from Sweden a few month ago and never look back. Seems it was not to be. Lucky we are still being entertained by the wrath of Gjeebes!

Posted by: Gjeebes 20.Jun.2018, 08:00 PM

I did move out of Meatballia...it's just that "country" just keeps getting more and more retarded and now that I'm not surrounded by such retards, I find it quite hilarious actually (from afar).

And being an election year, we won't need to wait too long for the self-adoring, ever-so-ever prestigious Swedes to start pouring it on! Let the Virtue-Signalling Olympics begin!

But seriously, you isolated Swedes have no idea how truly special you are, and how much anyone, from pretty much anywhere else, who bothers to take a look what's goin on in the greasy Meatball, quickly identifies it for the rich source of comedy it is.

Posted by: VeganVulcan 28.Jun.2018, 09:38 PM

Thought I would add another data point to this thread by sharing my experience immigrating to Sweden.

I am an EU (German) passport holder that moved to Sweden from the United States earlier this month. I already had a job offer in hand.

Arrived in Stockholm on Friday, 08 June 2018. Applied for my personnummer at the Skatteverket in Kungsholmen on Monday, 11 June 2018. (documents provided - passport, copy of employment contract and completed application form )
Received personnummer on Wednesday, 13 June 2018.

Maybe I just got lucky, but from my experience the system worked quite well.

Cheers!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.Jun.2018, 12:37 AM

It is a shame that we do not have more posts like this, but again people that are happy with their experience in Sweden rarely tell us...Only the unhappy ones use this forum...

Posted by: Cheeseroller 29.Jun.2018, 04:25 AM

The difference of course is that VeganVulcan moved for a job, while many move first for love and then hope for a job. Also VV has just arrived. The rose tinted glasses are firmly in place. We look forward to hearing VV's comments in 2 to 3 years.

Posted by: Gonda 29.Jun.2018, 10:27 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Nov.2017, 05:20 AM) *
"it's just that people don't tend to post about everything going smoothly."


TheLocal rarely gets posts from people, happy with their lot in Sweden...


I have lived here since 2005. Sure thing that Sweden has problems (not then, but now), no idea how they will fix them. Problems with Skatteverket, long waiting times before you get your "personnummer" and without it you can not do anything (Dutch friends of mine who are trying to get their stuff in order)! Health Care is a total farce, also here you have waiting time to get anywhere in the system and the care they give you is basic at best! Trying to get special dentist care is a no brainer! The general dentist care has waiting lists as long as Stockholm to Lapland! Always you hear them telling you that care is not given in summer because of holidays and shortage of workers and that is it, you can not beat the system! Here where I live I asked for a "remise" to a dentist in a hospital because I am having huge problems with sedation, I can not have local sedation as it does not work for longer than 1 minute! So I need special care and I am told, while I am in pain and my teeth are dancing in my jaws, to wait. This referral was sent in March this year and I was told ONLY AFTER I called THEM (!) that I will have to wait till at least September this year!!! Never experienced this anywhere else in the countries I have lived in...And I could go on with experiences I had trying to get help with lets say "konsumentverket", also a farce, because a person who lives in a "kommun" that is poor, will have no rights and has to go to a lawyer to get help with conflicts/problems. "Konsumentverket" is available only for the cities that can pay for a worker to handle conflicts, if a small city or village has a low budget, your consumer rights are down the drain and non existing! So yeah, living in Sweden is at times rather hard. But hey...there is no place/country in the world where everything is perfect!?

I have lived here for 13 years now and I thrive here smile.gif I have left Holland behind and don't even go there to visit! I have a lovely small house with a big enough garden around it where I live with my partner, we have great neighbours and a lovely village and are completely accepted here. We hardly socialize with the locals though, we are kind, willing to help if needed and so are they, but here the situation is ...family first, then family and after that family and maybe after that friendships.

Holland might be up there with the great health care they have, but if you are on a low income, health care is a huge problem. Living there among 17 million others is terrible, housing will cost you a life time of heavy payments etc etc. What I am saying here is that problems are everywhere in all countries. And if you don't like it, just move out! smile.gif

Posted by: Bsmith 29.Jun.2018, 11:19 AM

I am glad to hear that you are thriving in Sweden, Gonda. Like you said, every place has its problems...and its joys. Each person must work out their own solution.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.Jun.2018, 01:00 PM

Amen...

Posted by: whizzo 4.Jul.2018, 07:08 PM

It took me about two months to get an ID card, mostly waiting on paperwork. And then another fortnight to get the all-important BankID.

It's one of those frustrating things that's easy, but only if you know exactly how to do it first.

We found the folks at the immigration / Skatteverket to be helpful and knowledgeable but it's a tricky process. Don't be afraid to ask them to spell out the process in painstaking detail, and take notes!

Posted by: Annbags 5.Jul.2018, 06:30 PM

I had the same experience as 'smokerT' and if somebody asked for my advice on how to get a personal number, ID card I wouldn't be able to tell them. I went to Skatteverket, they sent me to migrations office who sent me back to skatteverket who sent me back... blah, blah. In the end, after a couple of years, I gave up for a while, it was the skatteverket in Uppsala who got things done quickly and efficiently. I have no other countries to compare it with but I suppose it's a tricky area.
I have to say, I love Sweden more and more. I appreciate its beauty and peace and I've got used to letters from various authorities demanding a reply within a ridiculously short amount of time. The fines I've had to pay because I was out of the country. I feel extremely lucky to have got out of UK before Brexit and 'thank you Sweden for letting me stay.'

Posted by: Wanderlust007 15.Jul.2018, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Annbags @ 5.Jul.2018, 06:30 PM) *
I had the same experience as 'smokerT' and if somebody asked for my advice on how to get a personal number, ID card I wouldn't be able to tell them. I went to Skatteverket, they sent me to migrations office who sent me back to skatteverket who sent me back... blah, blah. In the end, after a couple of years, I gave up for a while, it was the skatteverket in Uppsala who got things done quickly and efficiently. I have no other countries to compare it with but I suppose it's a tricky area.
I have to say, I love Sweden more and more. I appreciate its beauty and peace and I've got used to letters from various authorities demanding a reply within a ridiculously short amount of time. The fines I've had to pay because I was out of the country. I feel extremely lucky to have got out of UK before Brexit and 'thank you Sweden for letting me stay.'


Hi Annbags , thanks for the sober and balanced reply, I am considering the move myself have posted some question but so far all I have had is don't come to Sweden its isolated,boring, its ageist hard to make friends and because Im 45 I won't find work in my field ( IT Manager)) hope you don't mind me asking your views on the above and employment experience? Thanks in advance

Posted by: Svedallas 23.Jul.2018, 02:18 PM

QUOTE (Wanderlust007 @ 15.Jul.2018, 06:45 PM) *
Hi Annbags , thanks for the sober and balanced reply, I am considering the move myself have posted some question but so far all I have had is don't come to Sweden its isolated,boring, its ageist hard to make friends and because Im 45 I won't find work in my field ( IT Manager)) hope you don't mind me asking your views on the above and employment experience? Thanks in advance


At 45, it will be very hard to make friends. It is much easier in early 20s for anyone to move.

I once knew an American who moved here in his 50s, he even learned the language, got a job, etc. But was lonely. He then moved to Spain and didnt turn back.

Posted by: SmokerT69 23.Jul.2018, 02:27 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 23.Jul.2018, 03:18 PM) *
At 45, it will be very hard to make friends. It is much easier in early 20s for anyone to move.

I once knew an American who moved here in his 50s, he even learned the language, got a job, etc. But was lonely. He then moved to Spain and didnt turn back.


The only friends I've made is other Europeans I met at SFI. Italians and Germans... the only Swedes I know are my wife's friends and family. I'm a very social person and don't have a problem talking with anyone and will normally be the one to strike up a conversation. One thing I noticed is Swedes don't like it when you talk to them on the bus or train lol.

Posted by: Svedallas 23.Jul.2018, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 23.Jul.2018, 03:27 PM) *
The only friends I've made is other Europeans I met at SFI. Italians and Germans... the only Swedes I know are my wife's friends and family. I'm a very social person and don't have a problem talking with anyone and will normally be the one to strike up a conversation. One thing I noticed is Swedes don't like it when you talk to them on the bus or train lol.


Most people make friends exactly through that way, classes. SFI or expat social events as well. But it is as you said, easier and much easier through family.

Yes, we do not like small talk (only when there is alcohol involved).
God forbid you strike a conversation on an elevator! laugh.gif

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 23.Jul.2018, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 23.Jul.2018, 03:18 PM) *
At 45, it will be very hard to make friends. It is much easier in early 20s for anyone to move.

I once knew an American who moved here in his 50s, he even learned the language, got a job, etc. But was lonely. He then moved to Spain and didnt turn back.



Spanish job market is tough and very precarious, even if you have a job most likely you will be underpaid and overworked. But there people won't put poker faces if you make eye contact or speak to them in the street. In Spain women don't show panic faces if you make eye contact with them. Lucky us, for our mental health.

Sweden is a very difficult country in the social aspect. Also the housing system with the second hand market which is misery to take our money while living like nomads in short term accommodation and the queues to find apartment. Then the story... your education is worthless. Too many barriers I don't see in other countries.

But swedes act like if nothing affects them. A swede asked me in one occasion about how many years we had to queue in Spain for rentals. He thought queues for rentals are normal everywhere else.

Swedes live unaware. Like in a bubble.

Posted by: Svedallas 23.Jul.2018, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 23.Jul.2018, 04:00 PM) *
Spanish job market is tough and very precarious, even if you have a job most likely you will be underpaid and overworked. But there people won't put poker faces if you make eye contact or speak to them in the street. In Spain women don't show panic faces if you make eye contact with them. Lucky us, for our mental health.

Sweden is a very difficult country in the social aspect. Also the housing system with the second hand market which is misery to take our money while living like nomads in short term accommodation and the queues to find apartment. Then the story... your education is worthless. Too many barriers I don't see in other countries.

But swedes act like if nothing affects them. A swede asked me in one occasion about how many years we had to queue in Spain for rentals. He thought queues for rentals are normal everywhere else.

Swedes live unaware. Like in a bubble.



And yet you are in Sweden? Perhaps you are better of in Spain then...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Jul.2018, 04:10 PM

What people are forgetting is that Swedes are living the way they want to in their country...You cannot leave a country and bring its cultural lifestyle with you and live it in another country...

If you do, it will make you unhappy and you will end up here laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Gjeebes 23.Jul.2018, 04:38 PM

"You cannot leave a country and bring its cultural lifestyle with you and live it in another country..."

Really? In Sweden, the multi-culti "paradise"?

Are you sure? But then again, you've never lived in Sweden, and so, alas, you simply know nothing about which you speak.

You should just stick to offering people suicide instructions. It seems to be your calling.

Posted by: Gjeebes 23.Jul.2018, 04:42 PM

"Swedes live unaware. Like in a bubble."

Oh, ya.

They are like poorly programmed robots.

And tell one sometime, that mostly no one in the world gives a thought to Sweden. Just watch their face as their high-horse self-adoration collapses into the passive-aggressive fist-in-the-pocket.

Living there is hell. The only thing it is worth, is rich humour, once you have left it behind in your dust!

The insight into the inner working of Swedes, and their "goodestness" country, really packs some powerful comedy.

Sweden is like a majestic, once-imperial, comic strip. The comedy is so simple...a true reflection of the society.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 23.Jul.2018, 04:58 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 23.Jul.2018, 05:01 PM) *
And yet you are in Sweden? Perhaps you are better of in Spain then...


In Spain jobs are the problem. As explained in my previous post.

Sweden only has jobs and salaries, if you have the connections because plenty of jobs but only through connections, that's all.

Everything else is better in Spain. Life, food, housing, women!... who won't look at you with panic faces or simply ignore the rest of the universe, owning a car is not so overly prohibited as in sweden.

In Spain you get more for less money. In sweden you pay overpriced and get half the service and still you must look happy for paying for crappy food, crappy delivery, overpriced second hand rentals in a country that it is almost empty and still excuses, excuses and more excuses to only build for buyers while the renters need to queue years for just an apartment in the country with the highest taxes in the world.

No queues for housing that little secret you never hear anywhere. Because my first surprise in sweden was the massive joke housing is in this country. And how ignorant swedes are in general about their own system... or... maybe they are not ignorant, they just look the other way.. ;-)

Posted by: Svedallas 23.Jul.2018, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 23.Jul.2018, 05:58 PM) *
In Spain jobs are the problem. As explained in my previous post.

Sweden only has jobs and salaries, if you have the connections because plenty of jobs but only through connections, that's all.

Everything else is better in Spain. Life, food, housing, women!... who won't look at you with panic faces or simply ignore the rest of the universe, owning a car is not so overly prohibited as in sweden.

In Spain you get more for less money. In sweden you pay overpriced and get half the service and still you must look happy for paying for crappy food, crappy delivery, overpriced second hand rentals in a country that it is almost empty and still excuses, excuses and more excuses to only build for buyers while the renters need to queue years for just an apartment in the country with the highest taxes in the world.

No queues for housing that little secret you never hear anywhere. Because my first surprise in sweden was the massive joke housing is in this country. And how ignorant swedes are in general about their own system... or... maybe they are not ignorant, they just look the other way.. ;-)


As i said before, then why are you in Sweden??

No one has a gun to your head to stay here. From what you write, you would rather be in spain anyway.

So stop complaining.

Posted by: Svedallas 23.Jul.2018, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 23.Jul.2018, 05:58 PM) *
In Spain jobs are the problem. As explained in my previous post.

Sweden only has jobs and salaries, if you have the connections because plenty of jobs but only through connections, that's all.

Everything else is better in Spain. Life, food, housing, women!... who won't look at you with panic faces or simply ignore the rest of the universe, owning a car is not so overly prohibited as in sweden.

In Spain you get more for less money. In sweden you pay overpriced and get half the service and still you must look happy for paying for crappy food, crappy delivery, overpriced second hand rentals in a country that it is almost empty and still excuses, excuses and more excuses to only build for buyers while the renters need to queue years for just an apartment in the country with the highest taxes in the world.

No queues for housing that little secret you never hear anywhere. Because my first surprise in sweden was the massive joke housing is in this country. And how ignorant swedes are in general about their own system... or... maybe they are not ignorant, they just look the other way.. ;-)


As i said before, then why are you in Sweden then??

No one has a gun to your head to stay here. From what you write, you would rather be in spain anyway.

So stop complaining or be quiet

Posted by: intrepidfox 23.Jul.2018, 06:09 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 23.Jul.2018, 03:00 PM) *
Spanish job market is tough and very precarious, even if you have a job most likely you will be underpaid and overworked. But there people won't put poker faces if you make eye contact or speak to them in the street. In Spain women don't show panic faces if you make eye contact with them. Lucky us, for our mental health.

Sweden is a very difficult country in the social aspect. Also the housing system with the second hand market which is misery to take our money while living like nomads in short term accommodation and the queues to find apartment. Then the story... your education is worthless. Too many barriers I don't see in other countries.

But swedes act like if nothing affects them. A swede asked me in one occasion about how many years we had to queue in Spain for rentals. He thought queues for rentals are normal everywhere else.

Swedes live unaware. Like in a bubble.



Then fuck off back to Spain. Simple. The same goes to all the other "i hate Sweden" morons. It´s so simple, Ryanair and Norwegian are cheap

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 23.Jul.2018, 11:03 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 23.Jul.2018, 07:09 PM) *
Then fuck off back to Spain. Simple. The same goes to all the other "i hate Sweden" morons. It´s so simple, Ryanair and Norwegian are cheap


That is precisely the way it's done in sweden. People move in believing the propaganda and lies, because it's all LIES about sweden. Then I spend like 20000 euros in trying to survive in this malevolent country and then a john doe like you tells me to fuckoff back to Spain.

The more I have to deal with that mind set of "if you don't like it then go", the more I realize the entire system in sweden, specially HOUSING is designed precisely for that purpose. Get our money, frustrate the foreigner with 6 year queues to find a fucking apartment that I could get in a month in Spain with little effort or live in second hand apartment with contracts of 3,6 months at most. Then and most of us will eventually have to leave. Because the system is a TRAP, and nobody outside sweden has any idea about what's like living in sweden.


What amazes me is the cynical and malevolent way swedes use housing as a way to kick people out, because let's be honest it's a massive scam and swedes know it. No word on SVT public television is proof they are all in it and they know the consequences of the lack of rentals. It's INSULTING that swedes tell me their country is the best. What a joke!!!.

Malevolent culture, where looking the other way, spreading rumors about others and discrediting other cultures is a national sport. Best way to be competitive is to destroy, discredit other cultures. Sure. Then you see them in Spain getting drunk at 4pm Friday until late weekend. Breaking, destroying, vomiting, and doing all the things the mighty swedes cannot do in their homeland. Sure, superior culture. In your dreams.

Keep up with the housing scam. You are going to lose everything.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Jul.2018, 12:27 AM

What propaganda and lies about Sweden did you come across that were so convincing that you left Spain???

Can you reveal the sources so we all can see what led you to believe what you now call propaganda after being in Sweden for a while???

Can you enlighten us???

It would help in understanding what newcomers feel when they live in Sweden for a while...

Posted by: Svedallas 24.Jul.2018, 07:43 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Jul.2018, 12:03 AM) *
That is precisely the way it's done in sweden. People move in believing the propaganda and lies, because it's all LIES about sweden. Then I spend like 20000 euros in trying to survive in this malevolent country and then a john doe like you tells me to fuckoff back to Spain.

The more I have to deal with that mind set of "if you don't like it then go", the more I realize the entire system in sweden, specially HOUSING is designed precisely for that purpose. Get our money, frustrate the foreigner with 6 year queues to find a fucking apartment that I could get in a month in Spain with little effort or live in second hand apartment with contracts of 3,6 months at most. Then and most of us will eventually have to leave. Because the system is a TRAP, and nobody outside sweden has any idea about what's like living in sweden.


What amazes me is the cynical and malevolent way swedes use housing as a way to kick people out, because let's be honest it's a massive scam and swedes know it. No word on SVT public television is proof they are all in it and they know the consequences of the lack of rentals. It's INSULTING that swedes tell me their country is the best. What a joke!!!.

Malevolent culture, where looking the other way, spreading rumors about others and discrediting other cultures is a national sport. Best way to be competitive is to destroy, discredit other cultures. Sure. Then you see them in Spain getting drunk at 4pm Friday until late weekend. Breaking, destroying, vomiting, and doing all the things the mighty swedes cannot do in their homeland. Sure, superior culture. In your dreams.

Keep up with the housing scam. You are going to lose everything.


Then LEAVE!!!

Posted by: robbie1985 24.Jul.2018, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 23.Jul.2018, 07:09 PM) *
Then fuck off back to Spain. Simple. The same goes to all the other "i hate Sweden" morons. It´s so simple, Ryanair and Norwegian are cheap

Exactly.

Noone has a gun to head making you stay, and if you came from Spain then certainly noone was holding a gun to head to make you come to Sweden.

How about we reintroduce accountability back into the world. If YOU as a grown consenting adult move to another country that is YOUR decision. If it turns out bad, then own it, don't blame the country you voluntarily moved to.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 09:06 AM

QUOTE (robbie1985 @ 24.Jul.2018, 09:23 AM) *
Exactly.

Noone has a gun to head making you stay, and if you came from Spain then certainly noone was holding a gun to head to make you come to Sweden.

How about we reintroduce accountability back into the world. If YOU as a grown consenting adult move to another country that is YOUR decision. If it turns out bad, then own it, don't blame the country you voluntarily moved to.


That's very hypocritical given the fact how housing system works in sweden. A well elaborated TRAP. A SCAM, A PYRAMID SCHEME. CORRUPTION.

But sweden has designed housing for buyers with no queues for them so the only way to stay in this country without having to move from second hand is just that buy an apartment.

So passively, which is a very swedish thing, housing is being used as a tool to make people leave.


That's one of the reasons swedes are very hypocritical. they know that people leave their money in sweden when they move in, making sweden richer in the end housing is the big elephant in the room. That's why it's not in any list of important issues in sweden, because malevolently swedes know that without being able to buy an apartment, the foreigner is forced to queue 5-10 year for a rental or live in second hand and second hand is a punishment.


So in the end sweden is designed to take foreigners money and after a while you leave exhausted because very few can stay in a country where people must queue in order to live in a stable accommodation.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 09:12 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Jul.2018, 01:27 AM) *
What propaganda and lies about Sweden did you come across that were so convincing that you left Spain???

Can you reveal the sources so we all can see what led you to believe what you now call propaganda after being in Sweden for a while???

Can you enlighten us???

It would help in understanding what newcomers feel when they live in Sweden for a while...



HOUSING.

But sadly nobody speaks about it therefore nobody knows outside sweden.

housing is a massive trap in sweden. It's so, so unbelieable what's happening.

In Spain there are no queues to find housing, we don't live in second hand rentals, we don't malevolently create scarcity with rental housing to drive people buy homes.

What I see in sweden is beyond malevolence. Sweden is a sick country. Where people ignore the problem because they know they can keep competition out, because if one can't find rental then I am out.

One thing I have noticed among swedes is how they ignore others when a subject is not convinient or how they look the other way when they don't want to hear something. It's like if all swedes were programmed to act the same way.

Housing is the key in sweden, and that's why it's not in any list of important subjects because they know a lot of people move to sweden believing the propaganda and then BANG!!. They get crashed by having to queue for a rental or living in second hand in 6 month contracts.

That's why SVT says nothing about the subject, because everybody knows the consequences, and they look the other way.

In Spain we have our problems but the hypocrisy and MALEVOLENCE I have seen in sweden... NO WAY!!!.

sweden is a sick country. really it's a sick country.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 09:16 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 24.Jul.2018, 08:43 AM) *
Then LEAVE!!!



That's the plan mighty swedes have.

- Take our money.
- Make us queue for rentals until we get tired.
- Kick us out like nothing happened.


Swedes know that very few can stand this passive harsh environment that's why they look so happy when others leave. Less competition and more cash coming into the country.

Never seen so much hypocrisy and malevolence in my life.

Sweden is a sick country.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 09:30 AM

I'd like to add that swedes are fooling the entire world. Because nobody knows about the queues for rentals about the second hand market outside sweden.

it's the biggest scam I have experienced in my life.

I thought Spain was a corrupt country but in sweden, you are good at hiding your trash under the mattress.

People put poker faces in sweden, they look the other way but they know what role housing plays in sweden.

It's sickening. It's pure dihonesty hidden. Because housing is a necesity.

When I look into facebook groups of people begging for a rental because they cannot find anything, People living in a car because they couldn't find an apartment in time. All that stuff no SVT or media speaks about making it invisible. It's sickening!!.

Then you see the svensons walking in the streets with that poker faces because they know the system is designed for them. They know they have been in the queue forever and by the time they need an apartment they will have it.

sweden is a sick country. really, sweden is mentally sick. Because the shit housing is in sweden is unlike I have never seen in my fucking life.

MALEVOLENT culture.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 09:48 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 23.Jul.2018, 05:42 PM) *
They are like poorly programmed robots.

And tell one sometime, that mostly no one in the world gives a thought to Sweden. Just watch their face as their high-horse self-adoration collapses into the passive-aggressive fist-in-the-pocket.



I like to take long walks, I notice the high horse faces, even among women. They act if all of them belong to a higher class. That's why it's so difficult to meet people.
In the jobs I had they always made jokes about my country and the region I came from. They liked to make passive aggressive comments.

Once I swede made jokes about southern people calling them the "N" word.

Then they all look with those poker faces. Never seen such high ego in my life.

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 23.Jul.2018, 05:42 PM) *
The insight into the inner working of Swedes, and their "goodestness" country, really packs some powerful comedy.


I think, swedes believable they are kind of a superior culture and in their own hallucination they treat almost everybody else as inferior.

It's a unique culture in the negative sense, because they are drowning in narcissism and arrogance.

When I was at SFI, the students in my class were repeating words in swedish. when the finished the teacher said, "wow, you are so pros", she looked down and laughed. That small detail is what the swedish culture is all about. They think we immigrants are a piece of trash unless we are american or british.

Never seen so much passive aggressiveness and arrogance.

Swedes are smooth dishonest people, super mega passive aggressive, and very very very arrogant. They underestimate others and when they can't compete, swedes spread rumors about their opponent, mostly behind his back. Key problems like housing are ignored from media because they know how important they are. Super hypocritical society.

They like grabbing an african american kid and take photo with him, because the only thing swedes want is self image, that's the only thing they have, image.

Did I say swedes are hypocritical?. YES, they are.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 10:09 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 23.Jul.2018, 07:03 PM) *
So stop complaining or be quiet


That's very swedish. Shut up and look down.

That's why sweden is so lifeless.

You see, that's the swedish reaction to a problem... shut up and look down.

Posted by: Svedallas 24.Jul.2018, 10:45 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Jul.2018, 10:48 AM) *
I like to take long walks, I notice the high horse faces, even among women. They act if all of them belong to a higher class. That's why it's so difficult to meet people.
In the jobs I had they always made jokes about my country and the region I came from. They liked to make passive aggressive comments.

Once I swede made jokes about southern people calling them the "N" word.

Then they all look with those poker faces. Never seen such high ego in my life.



I think, swedes believable they are kind of a superior culture and in their own hallucination they treat almost everybody else as inferior.

It's a unique culture in the negative sense, because they are drowning in narcissism and arrogance.

When I was at SFI, the students in my class were repeating words in swedish. when the finished the teacher said, "wow, you are so pros", she looked down and laughed. That small detail is what the swedish culture is all about. They think we immigrants are a piece of trash unless we are american or british.

Never seen so much passive aggressiveness and arrogance.

Swedes are smooth dishonest people, super mega passive aggressive, and very very very arrogant. They underestimate others and when they can't compete, swedes spread rumors about their opponent, mostly behind his back. Key problems like housing are ignored from media because they know how important they are. Super hypocritical society.

They like grabbing an african american kid and take photo with him, because the only thing swedes want is self image, that's the only thing they have, image.

Did I say swedes are hypocritical?. YES, they are.



FUCK OFF AND LEAVE SWEDEN!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 01:19 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 24.Jul.2018, 11:45 AM) *
FUCK OFF AND LEAVE SWEDEN!


That's sweden's plan all this time with housing. Lack of rentals, long queues to find apartment, only buying as an option. It's all in your subconscious to look the other way and behave like nothing is happening. Then I talk with a swede and tell him that housing is impossible, that people live in short term rental of 6 months or less... And the only thing I hear is silence or blaming others saying it's our fault if there isn't housing for everybody!.

There you have Svedallas representation of swedish society. "Fuck off". is the best argument they have!!. Well, that and the passive aggressiveness.

We can confirm that svedallas has had a perfect integration in the swedish culture. Passive aggressiveness, censorship and looking at the problem the other way.

Notice I have been talking about housing all this time and the smartest thing they can say is ...

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 24.Jul.2018, 11:45 AM) *
FUCK OFF


Housing indeed is a big scam in sweden, they keep it quiet because they know it's a trap. People outside sweden should be warned about housing in sweden. It's the most repressive and closed system on earth.

The rental system in sweden is a massive trap!!.

Do not move to sweden!!!. They just want to take your money and then tell you to "F*** off"!!.

But hey!.

The best arguement a swede has is...
QUOTE (Svedallas @ 24.Jul.2018, 11:45 AM) *
FUCK OFF


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Soon my account will be deleted. This is also the way swedes deal with opposition. They either discredit the opponent with passive aggressive comments or rumors and when that has no effect swedes simply censor others by suppressing their ability to express their opinions.

Now keep wearing the mast of "I am tolerant".

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Posted by: Apache001 24.Jul.2018, 02:08 PM

Pepito you have shown full understanding of the Swedish society. Actually Swedes know all these hypocrisy but since it doesn’t affect them directly then it’s business as usual.

It’s a culture of deception, they act in accordance to what everyone is doing as against being themselves and that’s why they travel to Copenhagen, Thailand and Spain to behave erratically. The question is why do Swedes not behave abroad same way they behave in Sweden?

It’s a systematically discriminatory country that is using the housing market to divide and keep immigrants locked away from Swedes. Scandinavia is not an immigrant friendly society.

I got a strong eye contact from a 23yr old blonde girl with her mother in the grocery store and was wondering if this was a returnee Swede, only to find out after my approach that she’s Spaniard/Greek...Hahahaha I was happy I read Pepito posts on how normal human connections are with Spaniards, it so much helped my interaction with her.

Those retards asking us to fuck off should remember this forum is called “life in Sweden”, they should be the ones to f$#k off or create their own threads.

Immigrants in Denmark are experiencing same problems, it thus look like it’s some Scandinavian social problems. Let’s see how this will end when the kids start turning to drugs to get some social mental hype.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 02:59 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 24.Jul.2018, 03:08 PM) *
Pepito you have shown full understanding of the Swedish society. Actually Swedes know all these hypocrisy but since it doesn’t affect them directly then it’s business as usual.

It’s a culture of deception, they act in accordance to what everyone is doing as against being themselves and that’s why they travel to Copenhagen, Thailand and Spain to behave erratically. The question is why do Swedes not behave abroad same way they behave in Sweden?

It’s a systematically discriminatory country that is using the housing market to divide and keep immigrants locked away from Swedes. Scandinavia is not an immigrant friendly society.

I got a strong eye contact from a 23yr old blonde girl with her mother in the grocery store and was wondering if this was a returnee Swede, only to find out after my approach that she’s Spaniard/Greek...Hahahaha I was happy I read Pepito posts on how normal human connections are with Spaniards, it so much helped my interaction with her.

Those retards asking us to fuck off should remember this forum is called “life in Sweden”, they should be the ones to f$#k off or create their own threads.

Immigrants in Denmark are experiencing same problems, it thus look like it’s some Scandinavian social problems. Let’s see how this will end when the kids start turning to drugs to get some social mental hype.


I have conversations with other expats and we all agree on the same points I have already commented.

It is good you can see it too. The only reason why I am in sweden is because I have a job. Sadly the job situation in Spain is really precarious and in sweden at least I have a job but that's it. I have no life, I can't look at women in the street and smile like I used to do in Spain. In Sweden women behave with a strange mix of ignoring everybody and arrogance. It makes tough to even say HELLO, to anybody. They behave like if they were too important to even look at others. I have been at the bus stop and say hello to a lady, she didn't even look at me!. One could say that is just an anecdote but sadly it is the norm.

I am not saying that in Spain women jump at your neck but it's a completely different story. I can go out to do some shopping, well dressed and nice and you always see a lady who will make eye contact with you and even smile and say hello. Spain is not like sweden. Here people behave like mind controlled, without paying attention to their surroundings.

I have more money than ever but that's it. Everything else is emptiness. Difficult to explain with words, Specially after living most of my life in Spain. The sad part is some swedes feel proud of that. Crazy

I have met Americans and they can see it too. So it's not I am the only one.

Do a search on the internet and you will see many references describing the same problems about sweden.

housing is specially painful, queues to get a rental is something I have never heard of and I come from a supposedly poor region of Spain!!.
then you see the second hand rental market in sweden. Another trap. People are paying absurd amount of money for a short term contract of 3 months,6 months or 1 year, because in most cases living in second hand means having to move to another apartment a year later.

So I have never seen this poor housing thing in Spain. Sorry. I think it's all planned because the same companies that build for buyers are the same that have full control over rental market. So it's a controlled monopoly. But then swedes make excuses about it. I was told they are working on fixing the problem but each year it becomes tougher to find even second hand.

Aparently swedes think people will continue having jobs forever no matter how much they mess with housing.

I have heard stories that come out of a third world country. People living in a garage and in a car because they couldn't find an apartment. But in the SVT public service... NOT A WORD!!!.

Notice that housing is not even listed among the top preoccupations among swedes. That is odd given the fact how bad the situation is. To me the people who are in control of housing are in control of the media narrative and they are trying to hide the problem as much as they can. That is one of the reasons I think swedes are even more dishonest than in other countries because they are hypocritical and look the other way or hide the problem as if it didn't exist.

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Jul.2018, 03:03 PM

Well, that got off topic fast...

So, here's an update.




They still haven't got around to registering my application...

But, on the bright side, the "waiting time" has gone down from 20-22 months.



So I guess that's a positive XD

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Jul.2018, 03:10 PM

"Then you see the svensons walking in the streets with that poker faces because they know the system is designed for them. They know they have been in the queue forever and by the time they need an apartment they will have it."

Hey "P"!

Are you sure that native Swedes have to join the queue also, that
seems unfair to them, shouldn't they get special treatment like you seem to want???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 05:06 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Jul.2018, 04:10 PM) *
"Then you see the svensons walking in the streets with that poker faces because they know the system is designed for them. They know they have been in the queue forever and by the time they need an apartment they will have it."

Hey "P"!

Are you sure that native Swedes have to join the queue also, that
seems unfair to them, shouldn't they get special treatment like you seem to want???


They play with advantage, they have been in the queue since they are very young by the time they need an apartment they have it because they have been half a decade waiting.

Also, I could tell you stories of people skipping the queue just because they are mr svenson.

Besides, swedes play with a great advantage, most foreigners need to queue from the beginning. That means no less than 5-6 year waiting.

Besides the fact that sweden has the highest taxes in the world, makes the situation even more shameful. This lack of housing is all staged by force families buy an apartment. I have met people from iran who the first thing the do is buy an apartment!!.

In Spain you don't need to queue, you don't need to live in short term second hand, there is no black market for rentals as it exists in sweden.

Sweden is considered the best country on earth but I see only average everywhere and when it's about housing it's clear what the goal is.

Let me know if I should delete the link. Maybe it's not allowed in this forum?.

Black market for rentals in sweden. The article talks about Stockholm but the situation is the same in the rest of the country. The question is how the best country on earth with the highest taxes in the world can have such a precarious and closed housing system?. Convenience to force people take a loan?.

https://www.lvblcity.com/blog/2015/2/stockholms-black-housing-market-a-billion-sek-industry

Posted by: john.boy 24.Jul.2018, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 23.Jul.2018, 05:58 PM) *
Everything else is better in Spain. Life, food, housing, women!...

The Quality of Life index rankings to mid-year 2018 place Sweden 9th and Spain 12th.
You are 50% more likely to catch HIV/AIDS in Spain compared to Sweden, not surprising that it would be wise to avoid the gaze of Spaniards, maybe it is a subconscious self-preservation mechanism in action by women.
QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Jul.2018, 10:12 AM) *
In Spain there are no queues to find housing, we don't live in second hand rentals, we don't malevolently create scarcity with rental housing to drive people buy homes.

This is my favorite of your rants rolleyes.gif

According to the latest data from the State of Housing in the European Union, comparison Spain and Sweden:
- Owner occupied 77.1% (Sweden: 62%, split BRF 23% & Direct Ownership 39%)
- Private Rented 13.8% (Sweden: 19%)
- Social Rented 2.5% (Sweden: 19%, not really social rented, rented from Kommun owned companies)

Spain has for a long time been a culture of home ownership, one of the largest % in Europe. Renting has only started to grow after the property collapse 10 years ago.

According to the Spanish Department of Development with regards current rental situation is that demand is greater than supply. So much so that rents have risen 50%+ during the last few years, and they fear a rental bubble forming. During the last couple of years they have been passing national and local legislation to encourage rental property building, loosen the rental contract
laws (which are quite restrictive for landlords), provide tax breaks for developers of rental properties (especially for low income families), whilst looking to restrict/reduce rentals for tourists. Sounds to me like the Government is quite worried about the rental situation in Spain!

You are correct that there is no queue system, it is a free for all that does not quite work either biggrin.gif Every European country has it's own issues with housing just now, even Germany.

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Jul.2018, 07:38 PM

Why don't you two Private message each other or make a new thread instead of spamming up mine?

Anyway, more good news. My brother is law got me a job with him, I start in August but I'll have to be away from the family for a few weeks. We'll be moving around and putting together and taking down stages for concerts and stuff. The employer said I need to get my situation with skattsverket sorted out though as he can't hire me without a personummer. Since I have a job offer, I'm hoping that's enough to get me one now. I'm going tomorrow to apply for one.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 24.Jul.2018, 08:28 PM) *
The Quality of Life index rankings to mid-year 2018 place Sweden 9th and Spain 12th.
You are 50% more likely to catch HIV/AIDS in Spain compared to Sweden, not surprising that it would be wise to avoid the gaze of Spaniards, maybe it is a subconscious self-preservation mechanism in action by women.

This is my favorite of your rants rolleyes.gif

According to the latest data from the State of Housing in the European Union, comparison Spain and Sweden:
- Owner occupied 77.1% (Sweden: 62%, split BRF 23% & Direct Ownership 39%)
- Private Rented 13.8% (Sweden: 19%)
- Social Rented 2.5% (Sweden: 19%, not really social rented, rented from Kommun owned companies)

Spain has for a long time been a culture of home ownership, one of the largest % in Europe. Renting has only started to grow after the property collapse 10 years ago.

According to the Spanish Department of Development with regards current rental situation is that demand is greater than supply. So much so that rents have risen 50%+ during the last few years, and they fear a rental bubble forming. During the last couple of years they have been passing national and local legislation to encourage rental property building, loosen the rental contract
laws (which are quite restrictive for landlords), provide tax breaks for developers of rental properties (especially for low income families), whilst looking to restrict/reduce rentals for tourists. Sounds to me like the Government is quite worried about the rental situation in Spain!

You are correct that there is no queue system, it is a free for all that does not quite work either biggrin.gif Every European country has it's own issues with housing just now, even Germany.


You are very twisted and manipulative minded person.

There are no housing problems in Spain as it is in sweden. We have no queues because people don't wait in line for apartments are they do in Sweden.

We have 76 million visitors last years + Airbnb and despite it no queues for find rentals, no second hand market, no black market for rentals as in sweden.

In fact local government in Spain are forbidding airbnb to prevent a rental bubble which is working.

WE DO NOT HAVE TO QUEUE IN SPAIN for any rentals. Something that is the norm in sweden.
WE DO NOT HAVE SECOND HAND RENTAL MARKET. Something that is only in sweden. 1 year contract remember?!.

There are no second hand rentals in Spain because we have a very more open market. If you get a rental you keep it for as long as the landlord is happy with you and no due to stupid restrictions.

You have to make that supremacist comments of the day. That has been my reality all this time in sweden... Then the same women in Spain will blow my socks and everything else for a beer. ;-)
QUOTE (john.boy @ 24.Jul.2018, 08:28 PM) *
You are 50% more likely to catch HIV/AIDS in Spain compared to Sweden, not surprising that it would be wise to avoid the gaze of Spaniards, maybe it is a subconscious self-preservation mechanism in action by women.



Also that twisted comment regarding aids. Well, in Spain people have parties, they go to turistic places and the chances to have sex with a stranger are actually higher than in such a closed, narrow minded, elitist country as sweden. The reason is obvious by simply going for a walk in the streets of sweden... streets are mostly empty while Spain is alive and busy mostly due to their culture but also due to many turists visiting the country.So your chances to get laid in Spain are WAY higher not only because it is a more open culture but because of the many people who visit the country.

Regarding quality of life index. Sure!!, that's why all swedes move to Spain as soon as they have the chance. ;-)

You are a very twisted guy, We have no housing shortage as it happens in Sweden. Believable me but you come here to hide the facts about sweden and try to mislead others while diverting attention. How MALEVOLENT.

Some links to show you the misery of finding apartment rental in sweden.

Housing queue now '20 years' in parts of capital
https://www.thelocal.se/20150130/insecure-apartment-seekers-on-the-rise

Sweden and its famous queue for rentals in some areas 20 year queue!!!.
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20160517-this-is-one-city-where-youll-never-find-a-home

This is an article from 2010!!!.
Billions more needed to rid housing shortage
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=35800&hl=Housing

20,000 students without housing in Sweden
https://www.thelocal.se/20150709/20000-students-without-housing-in-sweden


This one from 2010!!
Student housing shortage worse than ever
https://www.thelocal.se/20100723/27966

225,000 Gothenburgers in the queue for ‘long-term’ housing
http://gothenburg-400.com/225000-gothenburgers-in-the-queue-for-long-term-housing/

A roof over your head – the face of the housing crisis
http://news.cision.com/fotografiska/r/a-roof-over-your-head---the-face-of-the-housing-crisis,c2551550

Sweden's rental market has been turned into a board game – and playing it will make you terrified
https://nordic.businessinsider.com/real-life-stories-about-stockholms-rental-market-has-been-turned-into-a-board-game--and-playing-it-will-make-you-terrified--/

This one is the most interesting of all... This article was from july.
Goldman Sachs says Swedish property market heading for worst crash since 1990s banking crisis
https://medium.com/scandieland/goldman-sachs-says-swedish-property-market-heading-for-worst-crash-since-1990s-banking-crisis-b16a215413ea


What amazes me the most about your post is the dishonesty in which your wrote everything without having the slightest idea what Spain is and trying to put Spain at the same level in terms of housing which is MISLEADING and very DISHONEST. But here in sweden you are good at just that, divert the attention while hide your mess.

That's so much what I have seen all this time in sweden. You are constantly manipulating and twisting everything and trying to make it look like if this problem is everywhere when it's a LIE, DECEPTIVE LIE.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Jul.2018, 08:38 PM) *
Why don't you two Private message each other or make a new thread instead of spamming up mine?

Anyway, more good news. My brother is law got me a job with him, I start in August but I'll have to be away from the family for a few weeks. We'll be moving around and putting together and taking down stages for concerts and stuff. The employer said I need to get my situation with skattsverket sorted out though as he can't hire me without a personummer. Since I have a job offer, I'm hoping that's enough to get me one now. I'm going tomorrow to apply for one.



So talking about housing in sweden is part of the experience of trying to move to sweden.

Because housing in sweden is misery. and they are trying to keep it secret to the rest of the world while only showing articles in english about what's convenient.

I will stop posting in this thread so you can keep telling your story and I will open another one regarding housing so people can be warned about what they can expect about sweden regarding housing, which I can guarantee, it's misery hidden under the mattress because swedes keep their mouths shut about the subject.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Jul.2018, 09:03 PM

Hey SmokerT69!

Job offer...Good for you and good luck!!!

You are a very rare person here, you have written about your long-time problems without saying rotten things about the Swedish people and their culture, like a lot of other posters...

You have earned the respect of a lot of us here...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Jul.2018, 10:03 PM) *
Hey SmokerT69!

Job offer...Good for you and good luck!!!

You are a very rare person here, you have written about your long-time problems without saying rotten things about the Swedish people and their culture, like a lot of other posters...

You have earned the respect of a lot of us here...



Reading your post history tells me you are the one who hasn't earnt any respect at all.

Rotten things?. you mean housing system?. Sure.

To be honest having your respect means nothing to me, specially after living in sweden and seeing first hand how you guys think and say behind the scenes when nobody is watching.

You swedes are really good at keeping appearances. That's why nobody outside sweden realizes the stuff going on in your own country.

Your housing system sucks!!!. And it will be the thing that will destroy sweden. You are headed to a 1990 economic depression.

Posted by: Apache001 24.Jul.2018, 09:41 PM

@John.boy Wtf do you mean chances of getting HIV is 50% more in Spain, can you provide links to support that. Gonorrhea in Sweden has increased by 20% in the last 6 months, did your brain omit that.
As usual if you identify the ills of this society, you hear shit like nah that’s not true, only people from Stockholm are like that...nah that’s not true it’s a universal problem...nah that’s not true “we are just trying to be polite and not invade your personal space (but once drunk in Ibiza they invade all personal spaces and get in your face)...deception deception deception all the time and then you get the final one “this is how we do it in Sweden”.

https://www.thelocal.se/20170616/gonorrhea-continues-to-increase-in-sweden

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Jul.2018, 09:51 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Jul.2018, 10:03 PM) *
Hey SmokerT69!

Job offer...Good for you and good luck!!!

You are a very rare person here, you have written about your long-time problems without saying rotten things about the Swedish people and their culture, like a lot of other posters...

You have earned the respect of a lot of us here...


Well, I don't hate it here. I've been visiting for 7 years and I'm still planning to live here. Like I've said before, you have to look for the positives. Although I do find some things about Sweden rather strange or absurd. But that could be said for nearly any country.

And, at the end of the day, I can always go back home to Bermuda or the UK, or Canada. It's nice having so many nationalities lol. My wife is well educated and can get a job pretty much anywhere but Bermuda because we don't have any jobs in her field of work. But she also went to university for music, so I guess she could always teach music at a school there. Easy 60-70,000$ a year tax free lol. So we're not really tied down and in a position where we have to make it work here. Only reason we're really here is because she wants our children to grow up around her family.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Jul.2018, 10:16 PM

We all approach life in different ways, most of us take our "knocks" in stride and continue on in ways that are beneficial to our selves and those around us...

We all know that those that blame others to look superior and to blame them to hide their failure to cope/adjust are the real losers in life...Everywhere!!!

And so it goes...

P/S: Not here for respect, just comedy!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: Cheeseroller 24.Jul.2018, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 24.Jul.2018, 08:28 PM) *
Every European country has it's own issues with housing just now, even Germany.


Bollox. Unless you want to live in Munich or Berlin, pretty much it is easy to find apartments to rent in Germany at a reasonable price. If you are a buyer, its true the prices increase during the last years, after 20 years of stagnation. The wealthy pensioners are buying up property as the bank interest rate is so low.

In our local spa town of 250k population, a 2 bed apartment 80m2 costs around 600€ in the centre. A friend rents a 160m2 (this does not include 80m2 cellar) 5 bedroom new build house in the suburbs for 1400€ per month. A new 120m2 3 bed house costs 250k€.

Posted by: robbie1985 25.Jul.2018, 08:34 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Jul.2018, 10:06 AM) *
That's very hypocritical given the fact how housing system works in sweden. A well elaborated TRAP. A SCAM, A PYRAMID SCHEME. CORRUPTION.


I don't think you know what 'hypocritical' means.

You have clearly already identified that life is better in Spain, and dismissed another user's argument that it isn't (without presenting any facts to dispute theirs), so why not move back?

Posted by: Cheeseroller 25.Jul.2018, 08:46 AM

Actually he has a good point. When I moved to Sweden in 1998, we bought a 2-bed apartment 40 minutes from Stockholm with a sea view for 180,000:-. The previous owner had bought new in 1994 for 100,000:-.

The same apartment today would sell for more than 3M:-.

Sweden used to have a housing policy that enabled anyone to buy an apartment at a low price. Of course, these apartments were really owned by the BRF (housing association), who bought the property from the developer and pay the mortgage plus maintenance costs.

But during the early 2000's, the property developers lobbied the government to restrict access to land, to increase property prices and profits.

Now you have the ridiculous situation that many new builds around Stockholm cost 5M and up, plus they have a BRF monthly fee of 8000:- and more.

Posted by: SmokerT69 25.Jul.2018, 01:12 PM

Well, this has been an interesting day. I went to Skatteverket in my town, but they are closed for the summer. So I had to do the Gävle one instead. Waited in queue and then explained that I have a job offer and need a personnummer so I can get the job. She told me that I can't have one unless the job is for longer than a year... I explained to her that hardly anyone is going to give you a job for a year plus. Most jobs bring you in for a 3 month probation period before they even decide to keep you or not. She was confused by the fact that I've been in Sweden for over a year. I tried explaining everything to her but she didn't seem to understand and passed me off to someone else. I waited around until the new women had time to talk to me, unfortunately, she doesn't speak any english. So she sent me to another women who told me I need to get national insurance and do a bunch of other things...

I wasn't falling into that trap, I explained to the new lady that I simply needed a personnummer to start working and that I was a EU citizen and by law I'm allowed to work here. She then told me a I need a work visa and a bunch of other stuff. We argued for a bit and she passed me off to another person.

This guy was actually helpful. He explained to me that I've been going about this the wrong way. And that I don't even need a personnummer to work in Sweden. Imagine my surprise now lol. I've been trying to get a personnummer for well over a year because I've been told time and time again that I have to have one to work. Employers have refused to hire me because I don't have one. He said because I'm a EU citizen, I can just get a "coordination number". So all I have to do is put in paperwork for preliminary taxes, form "4402". Once I've submitted that, it can take up to 2 months to be processed but I don't even need to have it to work. All my employer has to do is take out the correct percentage of tax for my area, which I think is 33%. If I don't have my "coordination number" by the time my first pay check comes, he takes out an extra 10%. But if it's not needed, I receive it back in May when I do my taxes. He also said something about the employer will receive a tax break for hiring me because I'm a EU citizen and not Swedish.

So I'm going to fill out these forms and submit them now. Jesus Christ, what a nightmare the Swedish tax agency is.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 25.Jul.2018, 02:20 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 25.Jul.2018, 02:12 PM) *
Well, this has been an interesting day. I went to Skatteverket in my town, but they are closed for the summer. So I had to do the Gävle one instead. Waited in queue and then explained that I have a job offer and need a personnummer so I can get the job. She told me that I can't have one unless the job is for longer than a year... I explained to her that hardly anyone is going to give you a job for a year plus. Most jobs bring you in for a 3 month probation period before they even decide to keep you or not. She was confused by the fact that I've been in Sweden for over a year. I tried explaining everything to her but she didn't seem to understand and passed me off to someone else. I waited around until the new women had time to talk to me, unfortunately, she doesn't speak any english. So she sent me to another women who told me I need to get national insurance and do a bunch of other things...

I wasn't falling into that trap, I explained to the new lady that I simply needed a personnummer to start working and that I was a EU citizen and by law I'm allowed to work here. She then told me a I need a work visa and a bunch of other stuff. We argued for a bit and she passed me off to another person.

This guy was actually helpful. He explained to me that I've been going about this the wrong way. And that I don't even need a personnummer to work in Sweden. Imagine my surprise now lol. I've been trying to get a personnummer for well over a year because I've been told time and time again that I have to have one to work. Employers have refused to hire me because I don't have one. He said because I'm a EU citizen, I can just get a "coordination number". So all I have to do is put in paperwork for preliminary taxes, form "4402". Once I've submitted that, it can take up to 2 months to be processed but I don't even need to have it to work. All my employer has to do is take out the correct percentage of tax for my area, which I think is 33%. If I don't have my "coordination number" by the time my first pay check comes, he takes out an extra 10%. But if it's not needed, I receive it back in May when I do my taxes. He also said something about the employer will receive a tax break for hiring me because I'm a EU citizen and not Swedish.

So I'm going to fill out these forms and submit them now. Jesus Christ, what a nightmare the Swedish tax agency is.




Buddy, this is the samordningsnummer... The coordination number... I mentioned this to you, for you to look into and solve your problem of employment/ personnummer. I don't remember what post but somewhere in this thread a while ago, weeks ago.

I'm sorry, but why the fuck do you come to a forum, ppost your story, people offer you suggestions... Like getting a samordningsnummer instead of ppersonxnunmer since you are an eu citizen, and then you do nothing about your situation...like make a phone call and find out about this coordination number like someone suggested.

And it's not like you missed the post when I told you about it because you responded back asking what it was since you never heard about it.

I'm going back to reading all this dumbass stuff rather than interacting.


Pepito... Make money here, don't focus on anythings else, and get back to Spain as soon as you can when you have enough money to ride out the times of unemployment in Spain... Knowing that you'll get more money sometime. And chill the fuck out. You're just fueling your anger posting on this forum. That isn't good for you.

Posted by: bonviveur 25.Jul.2018, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 25.Jul.2018, 02:12 PM) *
Well, this has been an interesting day. I went to Skatteverket in my town, but they are closed for the summer. So I had to do the Gävle one instead. Waited in queue and then explained that I have a job offer and need a personnummer so I can get the job. She told me that I can't have one unless the job is for longer than a year... I explained to her that hardly anyone is going to give you a job for a year plus. Most jobs bring you in for a 3 month probation period before they even decide to keep you or not. She was confused by the fact that I've been in Sweden for over a year. I tried explaining everything to her but she didn't seem to understand and passed me off to someone else. I waited around until the new women had time to talk to me, unfortunately, she doesn't speak any english. So she sent me to another women who told me I need to get national insurance and do a bunch of other things...

I wasn't falling into that trap, I explained to the new lady that I simply needed a personnummer to start working and that I was a EU citizen and by law I'm allowed to work here. She then told me a I need a work visa and a bunch of other stuff. We argued for a bit and she passed me off to another person.

This guy was actually helpful. He explained to me that I've been going about this the wrong way. And that I don't even need a personnummer to work in Sweden. Imagine my surprise now lol. I've been trying to get a personnummer for well over a year because I've been told time and time again that I have to have one to work. Employers have refused to hire me because I don't have one. He said because I'm a EU citizen, I can just get a "coordination number". So all I have to do is put in paperwork for preliminary taxes, form "4402". Once I've submitted that, it can take up to 2 months to be processed but I don't even need to have it to work. All my employer has to do is take out the correct percentage of tax for my area, which I think is 33%. If I don't have my "coordination number" by the time my first pay check comes, he takes out an extra 10%. But if it's not needed, I receive it back in May when I do my taxes. He also said something about the employer will receive a tax break for hiring me because I'm a EU citizen and not Swedish.

So I'm going to fill out these forms and submit them now. Jesus Christ, what a nightmare the Swedish tax agency is.

it is easy to get coordination number, just go to arbetformedlingen and ask, they must assist you in getting one, but beware coordination number does not earn you any pension, you will be like a commuter coming to work from another country, in another words skatteverket will collect tax from your earnings for nothing, you will not be entitled to any future benefits in sweden

Posted by: SmokerT69 25.Jul.2018, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (bonviveur @ 25.Jul.2018, 03:34 PM) *
it is easy to get coordination number, just go to arbetformedlingen and ask, they must assist you in getting one, but beware coordination number does not earn you any pension, you will be like a commuter coming to work from another country, in another words skatteverket will collect tax from your earnings for nothing, you will not be entitled to any future benefits in sweden


Yea, I looked online and I only have to pay 22% tax. Still extremely high lol. But much less than what my wife pays. As of right now they will not give me a personummer so this is really my only option until I get my residence permit in 15 months estimated waiting time. Already been waiting for a year and I'm getting bored so I'd rather work lol

Posted by: SmokerT69 25.Jul.2018, 02:50 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 25.Jul.2018, 03:20 PM) *
Buddy, this is the samordningsnummer... The coordination number... I mentioned this to you, for you to look into and solve your problem of employment/ personnummer. I don't remember what post but somewhere in this thread a while ago, weeks ago.

I'm sorry, but why the fuck do you come to a forum, ppost your story, people offer you suggestions... Like getting a samordningsnummer instead of ppersonxnunmer since you are an eu citizen, and then you do nothing about your situation...like make a phone call and find out about this coordination number like someone suggested.

And it's not like you missed the post when I told you about it because you responded back asking what it was since you never heard about it.

I'm going back to reading all this dumbass stuff rather than interacting.


Pepito... Make money here, don't focus on anythings else, and get back to Spain as soon as you can when you have enough money to ride out the times of unemployment in Spain... Knowing that you'll get more money sometime. And chill the fuck out. You're just fueling your anger posting on this forum. That isn't good for you.


Except I did ask about this before and they told me it was only of if I was from outside the EU. And that I couldn't use it to go to SFI. That I needed a personummer, which I then found out was a lie. I was only following skattsverkets advice and assumed that they would know better as it's there job. This coordination number still basically cucks me and I can only use it to work temporary. For up to 6 months if I understand correctly. After that I still need to get a personummer. But hey, at least it's something. Not sure if it's going to work either as it wants me to give them an exact date when I'm leaving Sweden. Which I'm not, I'm living here.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Jul.2018, 03:15 PM

The word...nightmare...does come to mind!!!

Posted by: Gjeebes 26.Jul.2018, 05:56 AM

"And that I don't even need a personnummer to work in Sweden. Imagine my surprise now lol. I've been trying to get a personnummer for well over a year because I've been told time and time again that I have to have one to work."

Isn't it like 60% of tax revenue in Sweden, goes directly to government workers salaries? It is something ridiculously high anyway. But none of these idiots are required to perform their duties with any kind of effectiveness. There is no oversight. The more you fuck up in your job, the less anyone cares. It's the Swedish model! A nation of pampered numptys!

Swedes are the last to know and understand anything about their own convoluted system.They are simply not up to the task. So, I'd bet 10 greasy meatballs, you can go tell any employer you don't need the pn, and they will not quite understand, and you will not get the job, in the Nordic region's multi-culti yet absolute mono-culture wonderland.

Posted by: SmokerT69 26.Jul.2018, 11:14 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 26.Jul.2018, 06:56 AM) *
"And that I don't even need a personnummer to work in Sweden. Imagine my surprise now lol. I've been trying to get a personnummer for well over a year because I've been told time and time again that I have to have one to work."

Isn't it like 60% of tax revenue in Sweden, goes directly to government workers salaries? It is something ridiculously high anyway. But none of these idiots are required to perform their duties with any kind of effectiveness. There is no oversight. The more you fuck up in your job, the less anyone cares. It's the Swedish model! A nation of pampered numptys!

Swedes are the last to know and understand anything about their own convoluted system.They are simply not up to the task. So, I'd bet 10 greasy meatballs, you can go tell any employer you don't need the pn, and they will not quite understand, and you will not get the job, in the Nordic region's multi-culti yet absolute mono-culture wonderland.


It's similar in my country, the government is actually the largest employer in the country. The difference is that we don't pay taxes XD. Well, not as you guys do here. We pay 5% payroll tax if your in a private business and your pension, government workers don't pay anything. We're a tax haven, so it's supported by banks and large businesses like Bacardi that have their HQs there.

But our government workers are actually very good. I've had to do tons of paper work with them over the last few years. When my wife moved there and we got married and when we had our child. They were very helpful as long as you were nice and polite. Make sure you say good morning or good afternoon to everyone you talk too lol. But most visits to the government offices were 5-10 minute affairs, and everything was done. Wait 1-6 weeks and you would receive everything in the mail. They will actually get you the correct forms and fill them out for you so that there's no mistakes. They explain everything to you as they're doing it and what will happen when the forms are submitted.

Posted by: bonviveur 26.Jul.2018, 11:33 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 26.Jul.2018, 12:14 PM) *
It's similar in my country, the government is actually the largest employer in the country. The difference is that we don't pay taxes XD. Well, not as you guys do here. We pay 5% payroll tax if your in a private business and your pension, government workers don't pay anything. We're a tax haven, so it's supported by banks and large businesses like Bacardi that have their HQs there.

But our government workers are actually very good. I've had to do tons of paper work with them over the last few years. When my wife moved there and we got married and when we had our child. They were very helpful as long as you were nice and polite. Make sure you say good morning or good afternoon to everyone you talk too lol. But most visits to the government offices were 5-10 minute affairs, and everything was done. Wait 1-6 weeks and you would receive everything in the mail. They will actually get you the correct forms and fill them out for you so that there's no mistakes. They explain everything to you as they're doing it and what will happen when the forms are submitted.

If I was you would try to convince wife to move in to your place, parents always can fly and visit if they want, no need to sacrify anything to fit other peoples wishes, it is your,your wife and your child life.
Make a list of pluses and minuses of both countrys and compare, sweden is not and never been best place to live for expats, it is only famous for handouts to asylum seekers, good luck mate

Posted by: Svedallas 26.Jul.2018, 02:19 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 25.Jul.2018, 09:46 AM) *
Actually he has a good point. When I moved to Sweden in 1998, we bought a 2-bed apartment 40 minutes from Stockholm with a sea view for 180,000:-. The previous owner had bought new in 1994 for 100,000:-.

The same apartment today would sell for more than 3M:-.

Sweden used to have a housing policy that enabled anyone to buy an apartment at a low price. Of course, these apartments were really owned by the BRF (housing association), who bought the property from the developer and pay the mortgage plus maintenance costs.

But during the early 2000's, the property developers lobbied the government to restrict access to land, to increase property prices and profits.

Now you have the ridiculous situation that many new builds around Stockholm cost 5M and up, plus they have a BRF monthly fee of 8000:- and more.


But during the early 2000's, the property developers lobbied the government to restrict access to land, to increase property prices and profits.
+1

This is now a profit making business. People are legally now allowed to charge more than the %, which was not the case way back when.

Seeing apartments being rented for 20k up is a fine joke. And, someone is ready to pay that.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 26.Jul.2018, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 26.Jul.2018, 03:19 PM) *
But during the early 2000's, the property developers lobbied the government to restrict access to land, to increase property prices and profits.
+1

This is now a profit making business. People are legally now allowed to charge more than the %, which was not the case way back when.

Seeing apartments being rented for 20k up is a fine joke. And, someone is ready to pay that.



Where have you seen 20k and up and for how many bedrooms? Is that the first or second hand contract.

In some places of the world I can see why people would bite the bullet for that price, for culture and weather, perhaps... And also because they would maybe make more money... But in Sweden, anywhere, even in Stockholm, 20k is pure nuts. Unless it's a nice 4 bedroom townhouse in central Stockholm that's been renovated to the T. And even then I might need convincing

Posted by: SmokerT69 26.Jul.2018, 10:04 PM

QUOTE (bonviveur @ 26.Jul.2018, 12:33 PM) *
If I was you would try to convince wife to move in to your place, parents always can fly and visit if they want, no need to sacrify anything to fit other peoples wishes, it is your,your wife and your child life.
Make a list of pluses and minuses of both countrys and compare, sweden is not and never been best place to live for expats, it is only famous for handouts to asylum seekers, good luck mate


Again, we're only here because my wife wants our kids to grow up around her family. My family does regularly visit, at least once or twice a year. But my family is spread all over the entire world, from Canada to New Zealand to the Caribbean. My wife's entire family is within 100km.

It's funny hearing about apartments being rented for 20k in Stockholm. That's insane, my family house in Bermuda, 3 bedrooms with 2 baths and a nanny's quarter is rented for $10k USD in a gated community with its own pond, pink sand beach and many other benifits. Thats insane that someone would pay that much money for a place in a Stockholm.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 27.Jul.2018, 12:17 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 26.Jul.2018, 11:04 PM) *
Again, we're only here because my wife wants our kids to grow up around her family. My family does regularly visit, at least once or twice a year. But my family is spread all over the entire world, from Canada to New Zealand to the Caribbean. My wife's entire family is within 100km.

It's funny hearing about apartments being rented for 20k in Stockholm. That's insane, my family house in Bermuda, 3 bedrooms with 2 baths and a nanny's quarter is rented for $10k USD in a gated community with its own pond, pink sand beach and many other benifits. Thats insane that someone would pay that much money for a place in a Stockholm.


Probably 20k sek, genius. C'Mon, Mon.

Still quite a lot... But depends what they refer to.

Posted by: Svedallas 27.Jul.2018, 10:46 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 26.Jul.2018, 06:50 PM) *
Where have you seen 20k and up and for how many bedrooms? Is that the first or second hand contract.

In some places of the world I can see why people would bite the bullet for that price, for culture and weather, perhaps... And also because they would maybe make more money... But in Sweden, anywhere, even in Stockholm, 20k is pure nuts. Unless it's a nice 4 bedroom townhouse in central Stockholm that's been renovated to the T. And even then I might need convincing


There is plenty 20k apartments, central stockholm.

If you are looking for a nice 2 bedroom balcony, that is the price...on average.

Posted by: SmokerT69 27.Jul.2018, 11:44 AM

Eh, so the lady at skatteverket in Gävle said I can't get a coordination number because the job is for too little time. It's only 1 month to start and then he'll have work for me off and on again. Apparently that's not good enough lol. She also said I don't have to pay taxes? Then she asked me if I want to pay taxes? I have no idea what's going on lol. I just asked for another person who speaks English better. Waiting now for them.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Jul.2018, 11:56 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:44 PM) *
Eh, so the lady at skatteverket in Gävle said I can't get a coordination number because the job is for too little time. It's only 1 month to start and then he'll have work for me off and on again. Apparently that's not good enough lol. She also said I don't have to pay taxes? Then she asked me if I want to pay taxes? I have no idea what's going on lol. I just asked for another person who speaks English better. Waiting now for them.


Just say, you don't want to pay taxes biggrin.gif


Have you managed to find work without swedish?.

Posted by: SmokerT69 27.Jul.2018, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:56 PM) *
Just say, you don't want to pay taxes biggrin.gif


Have you managed to find work without swedish?.


Yes, I've got a few jobs now but got turned down because of no personummer. I just got offered a job for August, but it's only for a month and then he'll call me up as he needs me. Setting up stages for concerts and taking them down. So I'll be moving all around Sweden. I was advised to get a coordination number because apparently it's easier. But they don't seem to want to give me one. I'm heading home to get more paperwork and then I'll go back and speak to a manager or someone in charge. The women at the front desks don't seem to a having fucking clue what's going on.

Posted by: SmokerT69 27.Jul.2018, 01:21 PM

Ok, so I got a young lady this time. She was much more helpful lol. Paperwork is all submitted and she said I can start working now but the boss will have to hold some of my pay for taxes until my number comes.

Posted by: Bsmith 27.Jul.2018, 02:55 PM

Congrats on the job.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Jul.2018, 03:30 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 27.Jul.2018, 01:06 PM) *
Yes, I've got a few jobs now but got turned down because of no personummer. I just got offered a job for August, but it's only for a month and then he'll call me up as he needs me. Setting up stages for concerts and taking them down. So I'll be moving all around Sweden. I was advised to get a coordination number because apparently it's easier. But they don't seem to want to give me one. I'm heading home to get more paperwork and then I'll go back and speak to a manager or someone in charge. The women at the front desks don't seem to a having fucking clue what's going on.



I lot of people are having similar issues as you with the personnummer. I don't think it has anything to do with being an non EU member because I have met Spaniards who had similar issues too.

I check FB pages and every week you see people who are in similar situation...

Posted by: SmokerT69 28.Jul.2018, 02:26 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 27.Jul.2018, 04:30 PM) *
I lot of people are having similar issues as you with the personnummer. I don't think it has anything to do with being an non EU member because I have met Spaniards who had similar issues too.

I check FB pages and every week you see people who are in similar situation...



I am a EU member lol. Doesn't seem to make much difference in Sweden. I'm curious though, she said it can take up to 4 weeks to process my application. By then I'll be finished working. What happens if it gets denied? It's not like I can go back in time and not work...

Posted by: bonviveur 28.Jul.2018, 03:08 PM

bureaucrats at their best.
my wife applied for EHIC card, filled 4 pages in dept application plus required employment contract copy, was told processing time 3 month rolleyes.gif ,
everyone who got it in another EU country will understand...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 29.Jul.2018, 01:26 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 28.Jul.2018, 03:26 PM) *
I am a EU member lol. Doesn't seem to make much difference in Sweden. I'm curious though, she said it can take up to 4 weeks to process my application. By then I'll be finished working. What happens if it gets denied? It's not like I can go back in time and not work...


I am really sorry for your situation.

This is a very strange country. They say there is no bureaucracy but I constantly see a lot of barriers to do all kind of things. It's a very restrictive system.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.Jul.2018, 07:13 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 28.Jul.2018, 03:26 PM) *
I am a EU member lol. Doesn't seem to make much difference in Sweden. I'm curious though, she said it can take up to 4 weeks to process my application. By then I'll be finished working. What happens if it gets denied? It's not like I can go back in time and not work...


Why don't you talk to your possible employer, skatteverket, or your wife. Are you completely neglected as a partner or something? When you ask your wife to help you in your situation does she just say I don't know and walk away. Has she ever called any places on your behalf and demanded an answer to what is going on?

I never get, especially EU citizens, people with swedish partners who act so baffled and helpless, at least on this forum, when they have someone, a Swede, to ask about Sweden.

It's been said before here, but why not ask your Swedish partner for help in figuring out and navigating the swedish system??



QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 29.Jul.2018, 02:26 AM) *
I am really sorry for your situation.

This is a very strange country. They say there is no bureaucracy but I constantly see a lot of barriers to do all kind of things. It's a very restrictive system.



Ok, maybe you are completely nuts... Who said there is no bureaucracy in Sweden?

I have a theory that you are paid by thelocal to troll and a few new articles on the apartment/ housing problem will be coming along shortly.

Posted by: Svedallas 29.Jul.2018, 10:36 AM

Ok, maybe you are completely nuts... Who said there is no bureaucracy in Sweden?

I have a theory that you are paid by thelocal to troll and a few new articles on the apartment/ housing problem will be coming along shortly.
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+1!!!!!!!

I agree with this theory. This sounds like Savage. Remember her?

She would start threads just to keep people talking and back to the low quality news site. There are so many things happening in the daily news in Sweden, but come on, only covering the fire, is a fail.

I am surprised The Local didnt cover the stupid girl who stopped the deportation of the 52 year criminal Afghan. All major newspapers covered that, including bbc. But apparently "evolution of men hairstyles is far more important"

Posted by: Apache001 29.Jul.2018, 12:53 PM

You need to know how Sweden operates otherwise it will fuck your mind up. When I passed SFI some years ago and they refused to pay me my 12,000kr because I wasn’t a refugee, I escalated to the highest of the highest authority Kommun Director, I got my money in less than 24hrs after threatening to go to the media.

They are using this delay tactics on you because they are worried you may end up using the welfare system once you get the almighty P-nummer, they won’t tell you but I can bet 100% that’s how Swedes reason.

After living here for many years I should know that when Swedes don’t want to do something, they have two passive aggressive ways
1. Go mute and don’t reply at all...radio silence
2. Use all forms of delay tactics
With Swedes you can’t go soft. This society is built around passive aggressiveness.

Posted by: Svedallas 29.Jul.2018, 06:12 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 29.Jul.2018, 01:53 PM) *
You need to know how Sweden operates otherwise it will fuck your mind up. When I passed SFI some years ago and they refused to pay me my 12,000kr because I wasn’t a refugee, I escalated to the highest of the highest authority Kommun Director, I got my money in less than 24hrs after threatening to go to the media.

They are using this delay tactics on you because they are worried you may end up using the welfare system once you get the almighty P-nummer, they won’t tell you but I can bet 100% that’s how Swedes reason.

After living here for many years I should know that when Swedes don’t want to do something, they have two passive aggressive ways
1. Go mute and don’t reply at all...radio silence
2. Use all forms of delay tactics
With Swedes you can’t go soft. This society is built around passive aggressiveness.


hold on refugees get 12k?

Posted by: Bsmith 29.Jul.2018, 11:56 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.Jul.2018, 06:12 PM) *
hold on refugees get 12k?



Would that surprise you?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Jul.2018, 12:21 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 29.Jul.2018, 08:13 AM) *
Ok, maybe you are completely nuts... Who said there is no bureaucracy in Sweden?

I have a theory that you are paid by thelocal to troll and a few new articles on the apartment/ housing problem will be coming along shortly.



Nobody speaks about the housing problem because it's convenient to shut up and look the other way. So business as usual, queue or buy.

It's interesting how country that claims to be the most open to dialog and speak about issues affecting sweden can turn so passively aggressive once confronted with the reality that people in sweden specially foreigners have a really hard time finding stable accommodation.

Check your comments and your friends. If that is the average mind set in sweden no wonder why things are the way they are in sweden.

Seriously you are destroying all the marketing written by the local and other news outlet portraying swedes as open minded and tolerant.

Since i started to post about housing, I have been insulted, mocked, told to leave sweden and now I must just nuts for saying what anybody with eyeballs and some neurons can see.

The only way not to be bullied in sweden is to look down and not open your mouth to other than speak about superficial subjects that don't matter.

In Spain we debate about everything. Things that are censored in sweden are open dialog in Spain. The funny thing many swedes say we are a dictatorship when sweden is much closer to a dictatorship not only for the massive surveillance system but the as we can see in this forum, the lack of tolerance to criticism.

Here, while others speak about it, you guys look the other way.

Sweden Needs To Build A New Stockholm To House Migrant Population
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/01/sweden-needs-build-new-stockholm-house-migrant-booming-population/

But nah!!. It's just I am nuts. No housing crisis.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Jul.2018, 01:03 AM

Is anybody posting here living on the street or in a car???

If it rained tomorrow is that the fault of the Swedish people, or would they be congratulated if it did???

Posted by: wallace1837 30.Jul.2018, 02:02 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 30.Jul.2018, 01:03 AM) *
Is anybody posting here living on the street or in a car???

If it rained tomorrow is that the fault of the Swedish people, or would they be congratulated if it did???

If at least you were bringing information...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TejoMjHk3x0 may work with poorly educated Swedes, but people here are educated foreigners...

Posted by: Gjeebes 30.Jul.2018, 04:11 AM

Whatabout if Gamla stopped posting here?

Would he seem more intelligent?

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 30.Jul.2018, 08:04 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 29.Jul.2018, 02:26 AM) *
I am really sorry for your situation.

This is a very strange country. They say there is no bureaucracy but I constantly see a lot of barriers to do all kind of things. It's a very restrictive system.



Here pepito, this is why I call you nuts... Because YOU said there is no bureaucracy in Sweden. Where did you hear that and what would make you believe that? Do you know what bureaucracy is? EVERY SINGLE COUNTRY HAS BUREAUCRACY!

I havent thought anything you've said about the apartment system is wrong. Nor have I insulted or mocked or told you to leave.

But don't make dumb comments like, "they say there is no bureaucracy"

Posted by: Svedallas 30.Jul.2018, 09:15 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Jul.2018, 01:21 AM) *
Nobody speaks about the housing problem because it's convenient to shut up and look the other way. So business as usual, queue or buy.

It's interesting how country that claims to be the most open to dialog and speak about issues affecting sweden can turn so passively aggressive once confronted with the reality that people in sweden specially foreigners have a really hard time finding stable accommodation.

Check your comments and your friends. If that is the average mind set in sweden no wonder why things are the way they are in sweden.

Seriously you are destroying all the marketing written by the local and other news outlet portraying swedes as open minded and tolerant.

Since i started to post about housing, I have been insulted, mocked, told to leave sweden and now I must just nuts for saying what anybody with eyeballs and some neurons can see.

The only way not to be bullied in sweden is to look down and not open your mouth to other than speak about superficial subjects that don't matter.

In Spain we debate about everything. Things that are censored in sweden are open dialog in Spain. The funny thing many swedes say we are a dictatorship when sweden is much closer to a dictatorship not only for the massive surveillance system but the as we can see in this forum, the lack of tolerance to criticism.

Here, while others speak about it, you guys look the other way.

Sweden Needs To Build A New Stockholm To House Migrant Population
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/01/sweden-needs-build-new-stockholm-house-migrant-booming-population/

But nah!!. It's just I am nuts. No housing crisis.


You are a complete idiot.

You obviously do not know enough Swedish to know that Sweden has been discussing this problem for years. YOU ABSOLUTE FOOL!!!!!!!

I am blocking you because you lack any sense of common sense, and your posts are annoying. Do your fucking research before you post, and, in Swedish.

Otherwise, shut the fuck up or leave Sweden.

Posted by: Svedallas 30.Jul.2018, 09:35 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 30.Jul.2018, 12:56 AM) *
Would that surprise you?


I assumed it was more. Considering how long they stay in SFI.
Many also are illiterate so they spend years at SFI.

Posted by: ChocOwl 30.Jul.2018, 02:55 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Jul.2018, 01:21 AM) *
Nobody speaks about the housing problem

If nobody told you bout the housing crisis before you moved to Sweden then I wonder who you spoke to? I was made well aware of this before I moved to sweden approx 20 years ago. I spoke to Swedes (eg partner) and researched info online.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 30.Jul.2018, 10:15 AM) *
You obviously do not know enough Swedish to know that Sweden has been discussing this problem for years.

Yup. Definitely came up in interview at swedish consulate (non-EU...) when applying for residency permit.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Jul.2018, 06:20 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 30.Jul.2018, 02:03 AM) *
Is anybody posting here living on the street or in a car???

If it rained tomorrow is that the fault of the Swedish people, or would they be congratulated if it did???



I am glad you asked.

Shipping containers are set to be rented out to students in a bid to solve Sweden's chronic housing shortage. The Local has spoken to the company behind them - and to one council feeling the housing strain.
https://www.thelocal.se/20150409/containers-set-to-become-homes-for-swedish-students

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Jul.2018, 08:39 PM

That's great...

Problem solved!!!

Posted by: SmokerT69 31.Jul.2018, 03:14 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 29.Jul.2018, 08:13 AM) *
Why don't you talk to your possible employer, skatteverket, or your wife. Are you completely neglected as a partner or something? When you ask your wife to help you in your situation does she just say I don't know and walk away. Has she ever called any places on your behalf and demanded an answer to what is going on?

I never get, especially EU citizens, people with swedish partners who act so baffled and helpless, at least on this forum, when they have someone, a Swede, to ask about Sweden.

It's been said before here, but why not ask your Swedish partner for help in figuring out and navigating the swedish system??


Yes, my wife has gone with me to skattsverket and migrationsverket many times. She's called them on the phone on my behalf as well. I've also had her family assist me as well, including her stepfather who's a Union rep here in our town. He's pretty knowledgeable about these kinds of things and has helped other people in the past. That's not the issue, the problem is that every single person at skatteverket will give you different information. Look at my most recent trip to Gävle to get my coordination number. Four different employees at skatteverket there told me different information to my face within the 3 hours I was dealing with them.

There's only so much you can do. You can go there with all the right information and papperwork, and then they'll tell you that you did something wrong and to fill out this form. Then you have to wait 3 weeks for a response in the mail only to be told that it was denied.

I started working yesterday and I go back this Wednesday to Sunday. The boss didn't say there was any issues, skatteverket said they would contact him if there was any issues.

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