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Posted by: John.Smith 25.Feb.2013, 10:37 AM

As per the title...

I am not sure of your agenda but you are clogging up the forum with useless threads that are nothing more than links to anti-Swedish News articles that if we so wished we could search for and read ourselves...

Also, excessive use of hashtags is #reallyannoying.

That it all.

Posted by: Puffin 25.Feb.2013, 10:40 AM

Especially if your Swedish is not good and you rely on bad Google translations that mistakenly translate "flesh eating bacteria" as "infected meat"!!! wink.gif wink.gif

Posted by: Max Reaver 25.Feb.2013, 11:06 AM

Dear folks, please don't tell byke to not post... By doing so you are basically encouraging him to post even more... Don't feed the troll.

Posted by: gplusa 25.Feb.2013, 11:07 AM

Well, he does perform a bit of a public service. No matter how bad the rest of us may feel at times, it's comforting to know there's someone who is even more depressed.

Posted by: Kn33grow 25.Feb.2013, 11:10 AM

I dont see anything wrong here,its a message board he is posting what he wants,whats your problem? Ignore his posts if you dont like them.

Posted by: byke 25.Feb.2013, 11:19 AM

I am going to answer this directly.

Firstly, my posts are NOT anti Swedish.
I was tired of constantly having a view that is automatically classed as being anti Swedish as a pathetic way to try and justify a view.

I have since started to make threads that are direct links to news articles from the Swedish press.
Are they anti Swedish also for posting such stories?

By doing such, they offer a much better rate of current affairs concerning local stories and what is happening in society. If you feel the stories I have reposted only reflect a certain view point. You are by all means welcome to post your own stories.

Thirdly, all the posts regarding CURRENT AFFAIRS as placed in the appropriate section.
And I quote :

Swedish news

QUOTE
Latest news reported on The Local or elsewhere in the Swedish media.
All registered users are welcome to post news items here.

As for clutter, well if you look at the amount of views each story gets, based on the time frame in which it has been up. I think you will see that many of them are currently generating more interest in views than many other threads.

Personally I would rather see a diverse range of news stories relating to Sweden than yet another which shade of black do swedes hate less thread.

And as for the reference to the google translation of a thread.
I think you will have seen it was not a translation error but myself having a little fun with words in the title as I knew it would attract attention (point proven).

Again, not anti Swedish.
But am very anti the view that important current affairs topics and local news cannot be discussed or reflected on in a language other than Swedish without being labelled as anti Swedish.

Posted by: Pursuivant 25.Feb.2013, 11:21 AM

Come on now, he is doing a public service. When you read the SD want to deport the foreigners, you know they're talking of Byke.

Posted by: John.Smith 25.Feb.2013, 11:23 AM

QUOTE (byke @ 25.Feb.2013, 11:19 AM) *
I am going to answer this directly.

Firstly, my posts are NOT anti Swedish.
I was tired of constantly having a view that is automatically classed as being anti Swedish as a pathetic way to try and justify a view.

I have since started to make threads that are direct links to news articles from the Swedish press.
Are they anti Swedish also for posting such stories?

By doing such, they offer a much better rate of current affairs concerning local stories and what is happening in society. If you feel the stories I have reposted only reflect a certain view point. You are by all means welcome to post your own stories.

Thirdly, all the posts regarding CURRENT AFFAIRS as placed in the appropriate section.
And I quote :

Swedish news

As for clutter, well if you look at the amount of views each story gets, based on the time frame in which it has been up. I think you will see that many of them are currently generating more interest in views than many other threads.

Personally I would rather see a diverse range of news stories relating to Sweden than yet another which shade of black do swedes hate less thread.

And as for the reference to the google translation of a thread.
I think you will have seen it was not a translation error but myself having a little fun with words in the title as I knew it would attract attention (point proven).

Again, not anti Swedish.
But am very anti the view that important current affairs topics and local news cannot be discussed or reflected on in a language other than Swedish without being labelled as anti Swedish.

LOL!

Posted by: byke 25.Feb.2013, 11:23 AM

QUOTE (Pursuivant @ 25.Feb.2013, 11:21 AM) *
Come on now, he is doing a public service. When you read the SD want to deport the foreigners, you know they're talking of Byke.


I think that would be rather hard considering I have been a registered Swedish citizen since birth laugh.gif

Posted by: Max Reaver 25.Feb.2013, 11:26 AM

LOL, what a punchline!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Feb.2013, 11:53 AM

In your case I think the dreaded SD would be more than happy to change it's agenda...just a tad. laugh.gif

Posted by: byke 25.Feb.2013, 12:05 PM

While I am not a supporter of the SD or most of their views,
It only goes to prove the point that free news without this constant moaning and objections from flag huggers claiming that any story that has happened in Sweden cant be spoken about in languages such as English.

The SD are somewhat of a radical party, I give you that.
But based on the assertions of what they stand for via many of the statements often printed on this forum, it only goes to show what happens to information when it becomes adulterated. And is direct conflict of truth hidden in propaganda for the benefit of other political parties.

And this sort of perversion of information is not coming from so called ethnics.
It's filtering its way down to "immigrants" that this form of information perversion is perfectly ok as long as its done in the interest to protect national identity.

News and information needs to remain free and undiluted or adulterated.

Posted by: John.Smith 25.Feb.2013, 12:11 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 25.Feb.2013, 12:05 PM) *
News and information needs to remain free and undiluted or adulterated.

...and not infected... (you know.. like with a flesh eating virus)

I see you are taking a stand on this Byke and will dig your heels in. I will not pursue it further other than to say that I find your posts extremely tireso...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

Posted by: byke 25.Feb.2013, 12:16 PM

If anything, I would like yourself and others to post up news stories regarding news, life and society in Sweden so that we can once and for all allow non ethnics to get a better idea of what Sweden is really like.

Posted by: mångk 25.Feb.2013, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 25.Feb.2013, 11:19 AM) *
Firstly, my posts are NOT anti Swedish.

QUOTE (byke @ 25.Feb.2013, 12:16 PM) *
... so that we can once and for all allow non ethnics to get a better idea of what Sweden is really like.

Does that mean your posts are only anti ethnic Swedes????? laugh.gif wacko.gif

I personally think that the majority of posters that have been here a while can clearly see what it is that you are doing!

Luckily there are no Swedish female posters left here for you to 'stalk'! wink.gif

Posted by: byke 25.Feb.2013, 12:59 PM

See I rest my case.
Yet another post that tries to smear ...

Posted by: mångk 25.Feb.2013, 01:07 PM

You don't have a case to rest you muppet! tongue.gif

Posted by: skogsbo 25.Feb.2013, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 25.Feb.2013, 11:19 AM) *
I am going to answer this directly.

Firstly, my posts are NOT anti Swedish.

are your post subjects chosen at random and it's pure chance that 99.999999% are negative, unless you can prove otherwise with some links to threads you have started that are positive? I'm not going to hold my breath on this one!

Byke it is pretty clear to most, that you need another hobby.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Feb.2013, 02:50 PM

I think an appropriate response to the great majority of Bykes posts should simply be the word:

Bykeism!

That's all the attention he deserves...poor guy... laugh.gif

Posted by: what would thomas paine do 25.Feb.2013, 03:22 PM

In the tradition of Matt Drudge, I propose that Byke's news threads are bylined as: "The Byke Report". smile.gif

Posted by: byke 25.Feb.2013, 03:55 PM

Yeah that makes sense, even though most of them are not written by me, and only contain statements from the original article. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: unionisten 25.Feb.2013, 03:57 PM

so why cant you write somthing instead of copy and paste bad stuff about sweden?

Posted by: Pursuivant 25.Feb.2013, 04:18 PM

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I think that would be rather hard considering I have been a registered Swedish citizen since birth laugh.gif

Ah, the SD uses you as proof of what happens when you let foreigners have children, so its advisable to deport them before they get little Bykes. laugh.gif

Posted by: mångk 25.Feb.2013, 04:22 PM

laugh.gif

Posted by: snarky 25.Feb.2013, 05:00 PM

What does this even matter! 1) don't click on it if you don't want to read it and 2) block him if you are really that disgruntled! Seems pretty simple to me...

Stackars Byke, sorry bud.

Posted by: intrepidfox 25.Feb.2013, 05:35 PM

I would rather have Bykes articles which can be interesting rather than the continual questions about MV.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Feb.2013, 05:54 PM

Maybe Byke will cease and desist those posts if he is recognized as the missing Troll that Rick M desires...sans the name change laugh.gif

Posted by: Juniorr 25.Feb.2013, 06:39 PM

Shut up folks! This is a free country -- not a country where free speech is a nightmare -- and everyone has the right to freely express themselve.

If you don't wanna read his post, ignore it.

Posted by: Max Reaver 25.Feb.2013, 07:08 PM

Cant believe ppl are still feeding this post...

Some think Byke is ruining the image of Sweden by re-posting bad news from Swedish news media. In order to counter, they try to smear Byke and call him a troll, stalker etc.

But but, as long as Byke reposts legit news articles from sites that you cant discredit, the outsiders or would-be expats may pay attention to our arguing, but they'll inevitably notice the news and read them, from which they form their opinion about Sweden.

So if you really want to counter what Byke is doing, the best way is to post heart-warming news from Sweden, about Sweden, related to Sweden. Only positive news can dilute away the negative. Being defensive is making you a disservice. Defensive actions only inflate the negative issues to higher levels, and people will read that. There are many good news to post. Some Swedish nationals abroad have just received Oscar, but none of you seemed give a damn (except me who posted it under "Swedish News"). Either you are not that smart or you dont really care about your beloved country after all.

And that leaves only one scenario: all of you who argue with Byke actually love him, because he finally brought some meaning into your dreary petty lives. Without him, you are meaningless. Now this freak show has gone on long enough. Cut the crap.

Posted by: Hamsterdam 25.Feb.2013, 08:33 PM

[quote name='Juniorr' date='25.Feb.2013, 06:39 PM' post='795065']
Shut up folks! This is a free country -- not a country where free speech is a nightmare -- and everyone has the right to freely express themselve.

If you don't wanna read his post, ignore it.
[/quote

Duh, a free country, free speech! In that case people have a right to respond to the mindless negativity of the posts then don't they.

Posted by: John.Smith 26.Feb.2013, 08:03 AM

QUOTE (Max Reaver @ 25.Feb.2013, 07:08 PM) *
Some think Byke is ruining the image of Sweden by re-posting bad news from Swedish news media. In order to counter, they try to smear Byke and call him a troll, stalker etc.

No... many people think his sheer volume of repetitive negative news posts is annoying in a DISCUSSION forum. I have never called him a stalker or a troll.

QUOTE (Max Reaver @ 25.Feb.2013, 07:08 PM) *
So if you really want to counter what Byke is doing, the best way is to post heart-warming news from Sweden, about Sweden, related to Sweden. Only positive news can dilute away the negative. Being defensive is making you a disservice.

... or ask him to consider the sheer volume of new negative threads he creates in a day. I believe I was quite polite?
Your answer to flood the forum with links to news articles would be even worse... this is a discussion forum not a forum for linking to news articles.

*rant over*

Posted by: skogsbo 26.Feb.2013, 08:35 AM

We get the local version and often badly edited stupid news, a bit like the daily sport of internet journalism, then we have byke live streaming of negativity... There is something missing on this website! Positivity, given we come on the website as 99% of us do and also did to Sweden, of our free will.

Posted by: soultraveler3 26.Feb.2013, 10:16 AM

Why is this an issue?

If you believe that a certain poster posts only negative stuff, or is full of it, or hates Sweden, or has blue hair (and you don't like that) etc. don't click on the threads posted by that person. Problem solved.

Honestly, this is a little like the pot calling the kettle black. The OP has also posted more than his fair share of odd, inane, forum-filling crap.

Byke at least provides interesting topics and starts intense discussions between the "everything about Sweden sucks, so we're going to constantly complain" crowd and the "absolutely anything or anyone, having or saying anything the slightest bit critical of Sweden, must be racist / trolling, shouldn't let the door hit their arse on the way out" crowd.

Posted by: John.Smith 26.Feb.2013, 10:25 AM

LOL!
Talk about missing the point!

Posted by: Kaipa 26.Feb.2013, 10:49 AM

Keep on Rockin' in the Free World, Byke and may the force be with you!!!! ( Ignore the pro-swede bullies- they lack a sense of humour...

Posted by: Max Reaver 26.Feb.2013, 10:55 AM

QUOTE
I have never called him a stalker or a troll.

I wasn't talking about exactly YOU. Your followers on the other the hand, are not as civilized.

QUOTE
Your answer to flood the forum with links to news articles would be even worse... this is a discussion forum not a forum for linking to news articles.

That's where you are wrong. This forum has a section called "Swedish News". Its description says explicitly "Latest news reported on The Local or elsewhere in the Swedish media.
All registered users are welcome to post news items here.
" As long as you stick your links to the section, nobody can do anything about it. I'm surprised you didn't know this.

Posted by: byke 26.Feb.2013, 11:05 AM

Good Morning, Ladies and Gentlemen.
I assure you I have some great articles for today.
Whether you choose to read them is up to you. But I appreciate all those who support the notion of being able to talk freely about current news relating to Sweden.

Posted by: John.Smith 26.Feb.2013, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (Max Reaver @ 26.Feb.2013, 10:55 AM) *
I wasn't talking about exactly YOU. Your followers on the other the hand, are not as civilized.

That's where you are wrong. This forum has a section called "Swedish News". Its description says explicitly "Latest news reported on The Local or elsewhere in the Swedish media.
All registered users are welcome to post news items here.
" As long as you stick your links to the section, nobody can do anything about it. I'm surprised you didn't know this.

rolleyes.gif
Your 'surprise' is well... surprising!
Please re-read the thread title and try to keep on topic. The issue is the sheer volume of posts not the content par se. The spirit of the News Section is for someone to link to a News Article with a comment or opinion on same. Not just random links with a Headline.

QUOTE (byke @ 26.Feb.2013, 11:05 AM) *
Good Morning, Ladies and Gentlemen.
I assure you I have some great articles for today.
Whether you choose to read them is up to you. But I appreciate all those who support the notion of being able to talk freely about current news relating to Sweden.

wink.gif
Oi Byke! Stop hijacking my thread!

Posted by: byke 26.Feb.2013, 12:21 PM

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 26.Feb.2013, 11:55 AM) *
link to a News Article with a comment or opinion on same. Not just random links with a Headline.

I just want to clear this up,
The reason I stopped commenting on the article at the start of the thread was no matter what I said, it would be construed as anti Swedish. Regardless of the subject or the view I put across.

Changing direction, and allowing the National Swedish Newspapers take the lead, I was able to put across the question for debate while not supplying any fodder for the prolls that instead of looking to add anything to the article that had been published, but instead looks to try and discredit the character of the thread.

Its a question of dammed if you do, dammed if you don't.

But the main thing is to get the news out.
Regardless of what attempts to stifle it, are made.

Posted by: Hisingen 26.Feb.2013, 01:03 PM

Hej Byke,

Well, they are all either having a go or supporting you. Must be nice to be the centre of attraction - your five minutes of added glory. cool.gif

Here’s one for you today, well two actually, from today's Göteborgs Posten.
The world’s largest pork meat producer - the Smithfield Packing Co. in the US has had to recall 17 tons of sausages, since customers have found plastic in the Gwaltney Mild Pork Sausage Roll. (Quote from foodmonitor.se)
So it isn’t all ‘horseplay’ in Europe - or Sweden. (Although the name Smithfield unfortunately does tend to suggest connections with Smithfield Market - the meat market in London. Maybe just coincidence.)

Furthermore, regarding the Italian supplier of Göteborg's non-rolling stock - their rusty trams - Ansaldobredas, the Managing Director of the parent company has been suspended for suspected bribery regarding another customer. Leaving open the question regarding the Göteborg tram scandal. I won’t say what, why or who, but simply leave that for those who will to draw their own conclusions - or speculations.

Maybe even you have an idea or three??

As they say in the US of A - ‘Have a nice day’.

Posted by: byke 26.Feb.2013, 02:13 PM

QUOTE
Must be nice to be the centre of attraction - your five minutes of added glory.

It doesn't really interest me to be honest.
All I have done is post articles relating to news in the Swedish press.
As I said before, I started to only use headlines and content from the original articles in the hopes that the story or information would be focused on. Rather than myself. So in that sense I applaud those who wish to see local news relayed and discussed - but I have no ambition to be the center of attention regardless if its positive or negative (It doesn't bother me).

In regards to smithfield, they are mostly based in mexico and are believed to be the first contact points for the pig flu a few years back. While its an interesting story, I dont think that really is your point. Otherwise you would have relayed it in the international affairs section of the forum.

Again, if you have any stories relating to sweden you think would be of interest I would urge you to post them up. This is, as the title states "Sweden's news in English".

Posted by: Max Reaver 26.Feb.2013, 02:33 PM

QUOTE
The spirit of the News Section is for someone to link to a News Article with a comment or opinion on same. Not just random links with a Headline.

Again, that is your assumption. It doesn't say anywhere in the forum regulation that you cannot only post links and headline. Besides, as long as the links are directing the readers to some actual news site and not spam sites, they are completely in line with the section guideline and not any "random links" as you would claim. Whenever someone posts a link, it brings the news to the center of attention. The purpose is to encourage discussion about it. If you don't have anything to say about the topic, don't say it. But it's not very well-mannered to ridicule the person who post, as you apparently did in another post. .

Anyway, Byke has not violated any rule of this forum. If he did people would've reported and banned him long ago. Since it hasn't happened, it means there is very little you could do to him.

Posted by: Max Reaver 26.Feb.2013, 02:36 PM

QUOTE
Well, they are all either having a go or supporting you. Must be nice to be the centre of attraction - your five minutes of added glory.


When I first came to this forum I had no idea who Byke was. I noticed him first after reading some ppl calling him troll. Then John Smith posted this thread, it turned Byke iinto a forum-celebrity. If you dont want to give him any 5 minute added glory, don't give him your share of attention.

Posted by: Rick Methven 26.Feb.2013, 03:17 PM

A year or so ago, Bye was concerned about a certain femail poster who was starting loads of new threads everyday.

Seems like it was only a concern if it was not him wink.gif

Posted by: John.Smith 26.Feb.2013, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Max Reaver @ 26.Feb.2013, 02:36 PM) *
When I first came to this forum I had no idea who Byke was. I noticed him first after reading some ppl calling him troll. Then John Smith posted this thread, it turned Byke iinto a forum-celebrity. If you dont want to give him any 5 minute added glory, don't give him your share of attention.

Wow... Byke has serious fan here rolleyes.gif

I have never ridiculed Byke nor in fact any other person on this forum... EVER! I do not get personal with a poster even in a heated debate. I do not randomly call other posters trolls just because I disagree with them...
I have jested and joked with Byke on many occasions and indeed have supported his point of view on topics (non-news related) on occasion also.

And for the record, Byke knows exactly how to get the attention he craves and is indeed an expert poster in terms of getting reactions... and more luck to him if that's what he craves.

I am entitled, just as byke is, to express my opinion and so maybe you can take your own advise and stop reading this thread or place me on ignore if you don't like the content. Don't care either way to be honest wink.gif

Posted by: John.Smith 26.Feb.2013, 04:02 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 26.Feb.2013, 03:17 PM) *
A year or so ago, Bye was concerned about a certain femail poster who was starting loads of new threads everyday.

Seems like it was only a concern if it was not him wink.gif

Ah yes... his arch-Nemises ... what was her name again?

Posted by: Rick Methven 26.Feb.2013, 04:13 PM

biggrin.gif biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2013, 04:16 PM

Methinks that Byke is on the way to becoming the "New Trow"

The only problem is that response to his agenda lack the finesse given to Trow.

Byke does not bring out the creative response due to the fact that he "posts" and runs...at least and to his credit, Trow stood his ground. laugh.gif

P/S: Any negative post here will get a pro or con response...we have a right to accept or deny in volumes...sometimes it's FUN laugh.gif

Posted by: cogito 26.Feb.2013, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Juniorr @ 25.Feb.2013, 06:39 PM) *
If you don't wanna read his post, ignore it.

Suddenly everyone forgets how to use their beloved "ignore" click.

Those disturbed by news items about Sweden that they don't like should turn to the Swedish tourist board website. Or else read the ambassadors' and the other Sweden-is-fantastic blogs on the first page of TL.

Then once we send byke to the gulag, perhaps we can focus on the thousand threads from ppl. wanting to know how soon they can start gettting free stuff from the swedish taxpayer?

Posted by: mångk 26.Feb.2013, 05:49 PM

QUOTE (cogito @ 26.Feb.2013, 05:43 PM) *
Then once we send byke to the gulag, perhaps we can focus on the thousand threads from ppl. wanting to know how soon they can start gettting free stuff from the swedish taxpayer?


Do you wish to lose the very last of your credibility?

Think about what you are saying and have a close look at Bykes posts!

I am being kind to you btw! huh.gif

Posted by: Visit 26.Feb.2013, 05:54 PM

The last I heard The Local is a public forum, yet there are many who openly tell Byke not to post his links, which the Sweden flag wavers call anti Sweden. Lots of people are interested in Sweden from abroad and read The Local ; they need to read links about Sweden that don't simply say Sweden is fantastic!

Posted by: cogito 26.Feb.2013, 06:42 PM

QUOTE (mångk @ 26.Feb.2013, 05:49 PM) *
Do you wish to lose the very last of your credibility?Think about what you are saying and have a close look at Bykes posts! I am being kind to you btw! huh.gif

Thanks for your concern. But really, I'd rather lack credibility, if your measure of credibility would be, say, a Rick or Skogsbo, who have posted more misinformation than byke could ever aspire to.
I haven't time to give even a partial list of the number of fallacies, mistakes and factual errors. But as their erroneous posts never challenge the conventional ideology, you're happy.

My normal modesty does not prevent me from reposting myself from the meat thread:

"Common in Swedish schools and in the Swedish workplace, mobbning is collective bullying. It is the way Swedes handle diversity--of nationality, religion or simply of ideas.

The group, usually too cowardly to act alone, gangs up on an individual because he/she looks different, is of a different religion/race or simply holds a different opinion from the prevailing ideology.

Mobbning on a large scale can end looking like what Nazis did with Jews and homosexuals or the USSR with dissidents.

Of course, nothing like that could ever happen here on the board."

Posted by: Max Reaver 26.Feb.2013, 06:46 PM

QUOTE
I have never ridiculed Byke nor in fact any other person on this forum... EVER! I do not get personal with a poster even in a heated debate. I do not randomly call other posters trolls just because I disagree with them... I have jested and joked with Byke on many occasions and indeed have supported his point of view on topics (non-news related) on occasion also.


Okay then. Well this didn't seem like a joke at first glance, but if you say it is, I'll trust you on that.

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=56764&hl=#.USzwqjCxvEs

Anyway, most of my comments are not directed to you personally. To be frank I dislike when one person posts too much in a forum. What I tried to say in the beginning was calling someone out only encourage that person to post even more. A better way is to put up more heart-warming stories that people love to read, this forum has way too little positive energy already. Of course you can express your opinions, just wanna tell you, the longer this thread keeps going, the more Byke will post.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2013, 08:04 PM

Amen!

Unfortunately Byke's posted agenda has received a bit of conformation...and rightly so...it produces a division...sides if you will, laugh.gif and there has been nothing really hot since the gun law, errr, ahhh...shall we say debate?

It's the only game in town now!

Posted by: Kaipa 26.Feb.2013, 08:19 PM

At first I thought this thread was going to be a bit of a lighthearted poke at Byke. To be honest I feel that it has turned into something really quite ugly. He has being posting these news-items as a protest, Anyone can see that. You might not like that but he is entitled to do that. He hasn't been particularly nasty to anyone, in fact his replies are usually couched in a polite manner. Yet the manner of attack and abuse he is being subjected to is akin to a witch-hunt.
If you want to lose a voice from this Discussion board because it offers a different opinion go ahead ban him, burn him whatever but all you are going to get is a set of dull, boring threads where everyone pats each other backs and feels comfy in their self -rightiousness.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2013, 09:15 PM

Who wants to ban Byke?

He posts and gets some replies...whether positive or negative...anyone posting here gets the same treatment...I can't imagine wanting him banned for his right to speak...however when you speak..."As Ye Sow, So Shall Ye Reap" as it were...being negative on a daily basis and prolifically... about a group/race is by no means a protest act on his part as you seem to think...it's his agenda for a long time.

You can't be thin skinned on this forum...it's just the way it is.

We ain't singing kumbaya here! laugh.gif

Posted by: Kaipa 26.Feb.2013, 09:48 PM

No, but then again I very much doubt you're singing anything off "Good Old Boys"

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2013, 10:03 PM

Good Old Boys, are what's in the ear of the listener not the words of the singers...you can agree or not...it's that simple! cool.gif

Posted by: Kaipa 26.Feb.2013, 10:13 PM

Sorry you lost me on the letter "G..."

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2013, 10:19 PM

Now I'm lost??? huh.gif

Posted by: Kaipa 26.Feb.2013, 10:24 PM

It means I don't understand what you meant by "listeners", "singers" and "simple"

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2013, 10:48 PM

I'm thinking now, that you never will. cool.gif

Posted by: Kaipa 26.Feb.2013, 10:56 PM

Well you certainly have a thick skin. Have a listen to "Good Old Boys" by Randy Newman and you might understand what I meant

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2013, 11:14 PM

Is Randy Newman a friend of Byke? laugh.gif

Posted by: John.Smith 27.Feb.2013, 07:37 AM

QUOTE (Max Reaver @ 26.Feb.2013, 06:46 PM) *
Okay then. Well this didn't seem like a joke at first glance, but if you say it is, I'll trust you on that.

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=56764&hl=#.USzwqjCxvEs

Anyway, most of my comments are not directed to you personally. To be frank I dislike when one person posts too much in a forum. What I tried to say in the beginning was calling someone out only encourage that person to post even more. A better way is to put up more heart-warming stories that people love to read, this forum has way too little positive energy already. Of course you can express your opinions, just wanna tell you, the longer this thread keeps going, the more Byke will post.

And you think that is ridiculing someone? It wasn't even directed at Byke, it was a response to the previous posters comment and play on his words and the OP's screen name... rolleyes.gif

Oh dear Max... you need a thicker skin if you are to survive here.

Posted by: Max Reaver 27.Feb.2013, 10:23 AM

QUOTE (Kaipa @ 26.Feb.2013, 08:19 PM) *
At first I thought this thread was going to be a bit of a lighthearted poke at Byke. To be honest I feel that it has turned into something really quite ugly. He has being posting these news-items as a protest, Anyone can see that. You might not like that but he is entitled to do that. He hasn't been particularly nasty to anyone, in fact his replies are usually couched in a polite manner. Yet the manner of attack and abuse he is being subjected to is akin to a witch-hunt.
If you want to lose a voice from this Discussion board because it offers a different opinion go ahead ban him, burn him whatever but all you are going to get is a set of dull, boring threads where everyone pats each other backs and feels comfy in their self -rightiousness.

Kaipa you said it! This thread became a place where ppl ganged up on Byke, which provoked Byke to post even more. Don't know about you, for me, I decided to temporarily side with him when somebody suggested they should unleash SD on him. I have similar background as Byke, being a Swedish citizen with foreign background.

Posted by: Max Reaver 27.Feb.2013, 10:27 AM

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 27.Feb.2013, 07:37 AM) *
And you think that is ridiculing someone? It wasn't even directed at Byke, it was a response to the previous posters comment and play on his words and the OP's screen name... rolleyes.gif

Oh dear Max... you need a thicker skin if you are to survive here.

Dont worry abt me, my skin is thick enough biggrin.gif

See, thats the thing with internet debate. If you were to make a joke at somebody in real life, with the tons of non-verbal communication involved it would seem very obvious and light-hearted. Here, since ppl dont know each other's background (at least since I'm new) and the non-verbal part is lost, a joke is not always perceived as a joke. Just something to think about.

Posted by: Solith 27.Feb.2013, 10:57 AM

If it's not been said already, it would be much better imho if article content could be posted directly along with the link. Sometimes it's a hassle on a smartphone to have to go through the link to find out what the discussion is about.

//Lazy user

Posted by: byke 27.Feb.2013, 11:01 AM

TBH - I am not sure if that is allowed without being in violation to copyright?
Anyone have any views on this?

Posted by: John.Smith 27.Feb.2013, 11:56 AM

Yes... but apparently if I express them I am bullying you.

Disclaimer for the benefit of those who do not 'know my background' and cannot read my posts at face value: Nothing in this post is inferring that I am belittling either your online persona or your physical wellbeing, furthermore please take this post at face value and if anyone is offended by this post please accept my sincere apologies and do not take it to heart. Also I do not think you are a troll and do not wish the SD party to chuck you out.

Posted by: John.Smith 27.Feb.2013, 11:59 AM

Please refer to my previous post. I have quoted it for your convenience.

QUOTE (Max Reaver @ 27.Feb.2013, 10:27 AM) *
Dont worry abt me, my skin is thick enough biggrin.gif

See, thats the thing with internet debate. If you were to make a joke at somebody in real life, with the tons of non-verbal communication involved it would seem very obvious and light-hearted. Here, since ppl dont know each other's background (at least since I'm new) and the non-verbal part is lost, a joke is not always perceived as a joke. Just something to think about.

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 27.Feb.2013, 07:37 AM) *
It wasn't even directed at Byke, it was a response to the previous posters comment ...

Just something to think about rolleyes.gif

Posted by: byke 27.Feb.2013, 12:16 PM

John, and anyone else that is reading this.
As I am sure you all can see, I personally have no qualms with anyone.

In regards to Netiquette, I personally dont like any Threads started that use members names in the title in a manner used to single out the person through name calling etc. Or that looks to focus on a members credibility by its own specific thread.

But for that I apply this value on mostly other users, as I myself don't give 2 hoots if my name is used such as this thread. As I am sure you are all perfectly aware by my continued postings.

However, where I do object is if threads are made specifically at users in a negative manner as a "call out". Not just for myself, but for any member on the board. Example : "Look here : **USERNAME** is a lying bastard" or similar type threads. These however as far as I am aware go against the forum rules (if this forum has any rules LOL).

But either way,
There is no animosity to you or any other members on here.
Yes there are some members on here that I may disagree with in terms of their actions.
But the best thing thing this board has right now is a diverse group of views as seen in this thread.

Posted by: John.Smith 27.Feb.2013, 12:26 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 27.Feb.2013, 12:16 PM) *
However, where I do object is if threads are made specifically at users in a negative manner as a "call out". Not just for myself, but for any member on the board. Example : "Look here : **USERNAME** is a lying bastard" or similar type threads. These however as far as I am aware go against the forum rules (if this forum has any rules LOL).


As you have demonstrated already, you seem to know the rules inside and out. Maybe you could point to the specific rule in question? If this thread is against same rule I will gladly change the title wink.gif . Until then it shall stand!

Posted by: dave.smith 27.Feb.2013, 01:00 PM

To be very honest the forum would be that much more boring without byke's posts. I agree that some of the content is anti-Swedish, but this isn't a new phenomenon, byke has been anti-Swedish for a long time.

I don't think byke should stop posting or leave the forum, despite the fact that:

1. He has insulted me on numerous occasions, once even inferring my personal life was Jeremy Kyle material.

2. I love Sweden and genuinely dislike people who insult it unfairly.

If I can let go of the my personal issues with byke, and even welcome his posts, why can't the lot of you?

Posted by: chazza 27.Feb.2013, 01:04 PM

cos we ain't you dave

Posted by: byke 27.Feb.2013, 01:51 PM

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 27.Feb.2013, 12:26 PM) *
As you have demonstrated already, you seem to know the rules inside and out. Maybe you could point to the specific rule in question? If this thread is against same rule I will gladly change the title wink.gif . Until then it shall stand!

John, even if the title is against the rules - I too want it to stay as it is.
Had the title been "Dear Byke...Can you please f*ck off and die" then I too may have objected to it laugh.gif

Posted by: John.Smith 27.Feb.2013, 02:13 PM

Well folks, time to leave well enough alone I guess. I think we (well most of us who participated on this thread) have just demonstrated that a normal discussion can be had without the need to hurl personal insults even though the topic may seem upsetting to some and cannon fodder to others.

I guess me and old Bykie will have to agree to disagree on this one. I can't make him stop posting laboriously painful news articles and he can't make take down this thread. I guess Byke will continue on his mission to educate the world on (his view of) Sweden and I will continue to potter about aimlessly on the forum here.

Who knows, maybe this old thread will get resurrected from time to time? Maybe Byke will find a new way to annoy the snot out of us when the novelty of his current regime of 'url-link-terror' wears off.

Posted by: byke 27.Feb.2013, 02:24 PM

John, you view and point has always been taken into consideration.
The post count as you referred to as being an issue has so far been 0 for today.
So please dont think your view hasnt been taken into account.

Posted by: Kaipa 27.Feb.2013, 02:28 PM

So you've decided to tell us to end the thread claiming it proves that we don't have to insult each other even if we disagree etc and then you basically go on to ridicule his actions. Isn't that insulting?

Posted by: Rick Methven 27.Feb.2013, 06:15 PM

Bye has not posted a new link to bad Swedish news today, is this an oversight or has he finally got the message?

Posted by: Hamsterdam 27.Feb.2013, 06:27 PM

Probably picking his kids up from Borstal

Posted by: byke 27.Feb.2013, 06:57 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 27.Feb.2013, 06:15 PM) *
Bye has not posted a new link to bad Swedish news today, is this an oversight or has he finally got the message?

Neither,
News has to have a purpose in regards to wanting to share it.
I havent found any stories that justify a repost.

Posted by: intrepidfox 27.Feb.2013, 07:10 PM

I disagree with your views sometimes Byke but keep up the good posts and don´t let these bitter lonely people get you down. ¨d rather read your posts instead of the repetative questions abou MV and "How do i get a job".

Posted by: Hamsterdam 27.Feb.2013, 07:28 PM

Yeah, someone earnestly looking for help in finding work to feed their kids or settling into a new country stretches the tolerance levels a bit. It's much better to read some ne'er-do-well's resentful depressive obsessions.

Posted by: intrepidfox 27.Feb.2013, 07:44 PM

I see you have opened an orifice again and the usual crap comes out

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Feb.2013, 07:58 PM

I love this place! laugh.gif

Posted by: intrepidfox 27.Feb.2013, 08:01 PM

Maybe we should have a topic about the Hamster, "you slag of people with snotty remarks. Why don´t you reply?"

Posted by: Rick Methven 27.Feb.2013, 08:07 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 27.Feb.2013, 07:58 PM) *
I love this place! laugh.gif

Keep watching,

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Feb.2013, 08:20 PM

What have you got planned?

Posted by: polartwist 27.Feb.2013, 08:48 PM

It's quite annoying: every time you start a thread you just link something in Swedish and then google-translated to English.
Next time can you please formulate your thoughts about the subject and then maybe link the source?

Posted by: intrepidfox 27.Feb.2013, 08:56 PM

Can people stop the witch hunt.

Posted by: polartwist 27.Feb.2013, 08:57 PM

Are you byke in disguise?

Posted by: polartwist 27.Feb.2013, 08:59 PM

Yes you are, we have the proof.

Posted by: intrepidfox 27.Feb.2013, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (polartwist @ 27.Feb.2013, 08:57 PM) *
Are you byke in disguise?

No but your being arseholes hiding behind your computers making snidey remarks.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Feb.2013, 09:01 PM

I dunno...riding to another's defense...leaves a lot of us conjuring up thoughts that would not look good in print...we are not squeaky clean minded! laugh.gif

Posted by: polartwist 27.Feb.2013, 09:06 PM

I just asked byke in a polite way - polite is the opposite of intrepidofox - to express his opinions on the facts. Just posting links gives me the feeling that he does not have any opinion at all.

Posted by: byke 27.Feb.2013, 09:14 PM

As explained previously, I try to limit my personal view on the stories often being discussed at the start of the thread as certain posters who dont wish for such threads to exist or look to use anything I saw or comment on as a way to latch on and try and taint the topic of discussion. With the hopes by these trolls that the legitimacy of the poster (as in me) is put into doubt, purely as an attempt to taint or discredit the subject of the thread. Even though most of the headlines and stories have come from the national Swedish Press.

If this situation changes I would love to add my opinion to threads.
However at present, since certain posters wish to make any news subject about me - Unfortunately there is little I can do.

Posted by: John.Smith 27.Feb.2013, 09:37 PM

I love this thread!! Turned out to be quite entertaining in the end!!
tongue.gif

Byke, I appreciate your restraint today, it was noted. However please do not refrain from sharing your opinions on other matters on other threads. Those are generally quite amusing.

As a side note, I see I/we may have started some bickering between different factions of posters... Guess some folks need to develop a sense of humour...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Feb.2013, 10:58 PM

The Byke focused posts have turned to what we do best...insult and name call!

However there are none others available...so Bykes will have to do until?????????????? huh.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Feb.2013, 11:09 PM



Suggested titles for photo:

You are what you eat!

Would you buy a used car from him?

Consider the source!

Don't ya just luv this guy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...I do laugh.gif

Posted by: jack sprat 28.Feb.2013, 12:00 AM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 27.Feb.2013, 08:56 PM) *
Can people stop the witch hunt.

Too late I fear.

Sweden has succeeded where N.Korea failed and turned itself into a nation of brainwashed Zombies.

Anyone offering even the faintest sign of criticism shall be considered to be an enemy of the Peoples Republic of Sweden and dealt with accordingly.

ANYONE STILL OF FREE SPIRIT AND SOUND MIND, ...GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE WHILE YOU STILL CAN .

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Feb.2013, 12:26 AM

Byke...he means you!!!!!!!!! laugh.gif
laugh.gif

Posted by: mångk 28.Feb.2013, 09:34 AM

QUOTE (byke @ 25.Feb.2013, 11:19 AM) *
Firstly, my posts are NOT anti Swedish.
I was tired of constantly having a view that is automatically classed as being anti Swedish as a pathetic way to try and justify a view.

So no purpose or agenda behind the stories...
QUOTE (byke @ 27.Feb.2013, 06:57 PM) *
News has to have a purpose in regards to wanting to share it.

What??? There is a purpose? Is it the same old one?

QUOTE (byke @ 27.Feb.2013, 09:14 PM) *
With the hopes by these trolls that the legitimacy of the poster (as in me) is put into doubt, purely as an attempt to taint or discredit the subject of the thread.

Is that Trow-ism I smell? tongue.gif

Byke, honestly no one is saying don't post! The OP has a valid point.

Here is a suggestion, why not do a weekly byke-ism thread. That way you can cut and paste all the links you wish and entertain us with your unique commentary! It also means that there is not a plethora of threads started!

I am sure that there are many people that would enjoy such a thread - even if it is as usual your way of putting the carrot in the wrong end of the horse! wink.gif

Plus, I must commend you this time around! You didn't post negative comments about alleged rapists, convicted rapists and Swedens handling of them whilst at the same time bemoaning Sweden regarding Assange. It showed great restraint particularly with the story about Assange in the Press. What was the title of that piece?

Something along the lines of: Assange suffers from Byke-ism: Australia
laugh.gif

Posted by: John.Smith 28.Feb.2013, 10:23 AM

QUOTE (mångk @ 28.Feb.2013, 09:34 AM) *
Here is a suggestion, why not do a weekly byke-ism thread. That way you can cut and paste all the links you wish and entertain us with your unique commentary! It also means that there is not a plethora of threads started!

Actually, that is a bloody good idea and that is a thread I would enjoy. 'The Weekly Byke Tour of Sweden'... or 'Sweden by Byke'

... or I know!!! 'Peddling by Byke'... geddit! cool.gif

Posted by: as8 28.Feb.2013, 11:43 AM

QUOTE (byke @ 27.Feb.2013, 09:14 PM) *
As explained previously, I try to limit my personal view on the stories often being discussed at the start of the thread as certain posters who dont wish for such threads to exist or look to use anything I saw or comment on as a way to latch on and try and taint the topic of discussion. With the hopes by these trolls that the legitimacy of the poster (as in me) is put into doubt, purely as an attempt to taint or discredit the subject of the thread. Even though most of the headlines and stories have come from the national Swedish Press.

If this situation changes I would love to add my opinion to threads.
However at present, since certain posters wish to make any news subject about me - Unfortunately there is little I can do.

You don't need to comment because your personal view is overwhelmingly obvious. You are pretty much a textbook example of a troll. You're not interested in real discussion, you just enjoy seeing people squirm. Unfortunately, it's likely that you are not capable of being aware of this.

as8

Posted by: Rick Methven 28.Feb.2013, 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 27.Feb.2013, 08:20 PM) *
What have you got planned?

Ask Byke, the solution is in his hands

Posted by: mångk 28.Feb.2013, 12:12 PM

ohmy.gif

Keep it clean Rick! tongue.gif

Posted by: intrepidfox 28.Feb.2013, 02:16 PM

While i disagree with Bykes left wing opinions; in some way he is right to put up negative posts "AT TIMES" as Sweden has become a ghetto. I have been here since 84, the first time and 90 permanent and i have seen a big change in society. I love Swreden and my friends and would never move as all countries have big problems now. One positive thing about his posts is that many people on this site do not speak Swedish so at times it is a wealth of information for them, positive or negative.

Posted by: Rick Methven 28.Feb.2013, 02:48 PM

QUOTE
One positive thing about his posts is that many people on this site do not speak Swedish so at times it is a wealth of information for them, positive or negative.

If you have to rely on his Google translations to read the story, you could get entirely the wrong story laugh.gif

Posted by: intrepidfox 28.Feb.2013, 05:05 PM

Very true Rick but look at TL´s stories

Posted by: byke 28.Feb.2013, 05:16 PM

Every story I have posted from a swedish source includes both the original version of the story as well as any form of google translate so that it can be counter checked if need be.

The best thing would be if the Local could start to offer a wider array of stories in English, like the ones I have posted so that readers could get a wider spectrum of information regarding Sweden and daily news.

Posted by: intrepidfox 28.Feb.2013, 05:35 PM

I disagree with your left wing views but on this you are right. You come with many interesting stories that you would not find in the normal rags. Keep up the good work and stuff the lonely bitter people that ridicule you. But Byke i will fight you on other posts.

Ps i think the OP should shave the thing that looks like snot from under his lips.

Posted by: byke 28.Feb.2013, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 28.Feb.2013, 05:35 PM) *
Keep up the good work and stuff the lonely bitter people that ridicule you. But Byke i will fight you on other posts.

Thakyou,
I couldn't ask for anything more.
As no matter what, public news has to have the freedom to be debated or discussed in any language desired.

Posted by: mångk 28.Feb.2013, 10:31 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 28.Feb.2013, 06:05 PM) *
As no matter what, public news has to have the freedom to be debated or discussed in any language desired.

So long as the discussion is not considered a crime.. I am not picking on you either, I am trying to help you!

See the other thread... smile.gif

Posted by: Hamsterdam 28.Feb.2013, 10:50 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 28.Feb.2013, 06:05 PM) *
Thakyou,
I couldn't ask for anything more.
As no matter what, public news has to have the freedom to be debated or discussed in any language desired.

Yes it must be a great relief and justification of your time to get the approval of someone of Intrepidfox's calibre.

Posted by: superturbo 28.Feb.2013, 11:17 PM

sorry for asking, but didn't this Byke-man move out from Sweden some time ago? How come he's still complaining about a country in which he doesn't even live?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Feb.2013, 11:35 PM

Because he is a racist that has an axe to grind with the Swedish people...although he is low key, his message is alive and well...Swedes are not decent people...his Crusade is getting a bit worn now, and I'm wondering what his mental health status is...it seems his life is dedicated to finding and posting here a bit of a twisted view of Sweden...the man is obsessed with his Crusade...how much time do you think he spends with research, cutting, posting, etc.?

God Bless him, because I won't! laugh.gif x3

Posted by: Rick Methven 1.Mar.2013, 06:59 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Feb.2013, 11:35 PM) *
Because he is a racist that has an axe to grind with the Swedish people...although he is low key, his message is alive and well...Swedes are not decent people...his Crusade is getting a bit worn now, and I'm wondering what his mental health status is...it seems his life is dedicated to finding and posting here a bit of a twisted view of Sweden...the man is obsessed with his Crusade...how much time do you think he spends with research, cutting, posting, etc.?

God Bless him, because I won't! laugh.gif x3

GH you better be careful what you write about Byke or you may just find that you get banned or at least have your posting rights suspended as happened to one member here 3 days ago.

On the Horse meat thread a poster who was having a go at byke suddenly found that he could no longer post and thought he had been banned, so he emailed TL Admin to ask why. Admin looked at his posts and decided;

QUOTE
After reviewing his posts I could see no good reason but assume it was down to an argument with a moderator.
I've now reversed the ban.

The moderator in question was byke who responded to Admin by saying

QUOTE
He wasn't banned.
A review over his account will show that he was given a 10 day posting suspension for creating threads directed at specific members and name calling in the titles of new threads.

This was posted in the moderators forum that I and some others have access to as one time moderators.

I posted a comment that byke had abused his authority by using his ability to ban/suspend members for personal reasons and suggested that it was about time that the secret mod system should be abolished and all moderators named.

Byke's response was to launch a tirade against me, and called for my access to the Mods forum to be stopped as and then to close the thread to stop me making a response.

I believe that there need for moderation on the forum as things get out of hand, on most forums and on the News Section here, a post gets removed and a note from the moderators replaces the post saying it was removed for breach of terms and conditions. On this discussion forum it does not happen as byke would have to use his normal username and so expose himself as a mod.

I did give byke the opportunity to come out voluntary, which he has not done, instead using his mod status to further his own ends, hence this post

Posted by: klubbnika 1.Mar.2013, 07:57 AM

OP,

Byke can post here whatever he likes.

It's up to you NOT to read it. You have a choice.

Posted by: mångk 1.Mar.2013, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 1.Mar.2013, 06:59 AM) *
GH you better be careful what you write about Byke or you may just find that you get banned or at least have your posting rights suspended as happened to one member here 3 days ago.

On the Horse meat thread a poster who was having a go at byke suddenly found that he could no longer post and thought he had been banned, so he emailed TL Admin to ask why. Admin looked at his posts and decided;

The moderator in question was byke who responded to Admin by saying

This was posted in the moderators forum that I and some others have access to as one time moderators.

I posted a comment that byke had abused his authority by using his ability to ban/suspend members for personal reasons and suggested that it was about time that the secret mod system should be abolished and all moderators named.

Byke's response was to launch a tirade against me, and called for my access to the Mods forum to be stopped as and then to close the thread to stop me making a response.

I believe that there need for moderation on the forum as things get out of hand, on most forums and on the News Section here, a post gets removed and a note from the moderators replaces the post saying it was removed for breach of terms and conditions. On this discussion forum it does not happen as byke would have to use his normal username and so expose himself as a mod.

I did give byke the opportunity to come out voluntary, which he has not done, instead using his mod status to further his own ends, hence this post

Well then perhaps Byke should be removed as a moderator!

What Gamla is saying is nothing more than what the vast body of posts Byke has made over the years supports!

I do agree that the horse meat forum is a very good example of why Byke should be removed.

Posted by: JulieLou40 1.Mar.2013, 12:01 PM

I must admit that the title of this thread did make me feel a bit uncomfortable. For many, Byke is a pain with the sheer volume of negative stories about Sweden (I've learned to spot them when scrolling down the forum for something to read and I'm usually right). However, as I say, I'm not sure if the title was appropriate.

Having said that, I agree with the general spirit of the thread John started. I too find the number of negative posts about Sweden tiresome. In fact it SCREAMS negativity. Byke, I know you say you are "only repeating what the press says" (or similar), but we have the actual press for that...we don't need you. Any one of us are capable of copying and pasting stories from the newspapers and putting them through google translate if we so wish.

As for the fact that we have now found out byke is/was a moderator and has used this to ban people he doesn't like...well, I find that absolutely shocking and bang out of order. Puffin is (was?) a moderator, but you'd never have caught her doing the same, she has too much integrity.

Posted by: mångk 1.Mar.2013, 12:18 PM

QUOTE (JulieLou40 @ 1.Mar.2013, 12:01 PM) *
As for the fact that we have now found out byke is/was a moderator and has used this to ban people he doesn't like...well, I find that absolutely shocking and bang out of order. Puffin is (was?) a moderator, but you'd never have caught her doing the same, she has too much integrity.

I totally agree with this!

I also wonder whether the increase in volume of bykes thread starting and the increase in pushing his 'Anti-Swedish agenda' has any correlation to his appointment as a moderator?

Is this what The Local sanctions now? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Rick Methven 1.Mar.2013, 12:23 PM

Byke has been a secret moderator for some years now. I resigned as a mod a year ago.

Posted by: mångk 1.Mar.2013, 12:31 PM

What a shame!

Posted by: Kaipa 1.Mar.2013, 01:03 PM

Rick . I hope your facts are watertight you could be walking a thin line here if not. Why haven't you made this information available until now, in the middle of a fairly heated debate ?. It is a really damning accusation against Byke.

Posted by: Rick Methven 1.Mar.2013, 01:18 PM

The evidence is watertight and byke knows it. If I was maligning him he would have been posting denials by now

Posted by: Hisingen 1.Mar.2013, 01:28 PM

And what, pray, are the duties of a moderator here?
What powers do they have over the comments, the censoring or otherwise of same and the barring of posters from the respective forums?
If you can enlighten us a little I feel it would be appreciated by most on here.

Posted by: mångk 1.Mar.2013, 01:38 PM

Another interesting question might be how many other 'secret moderators' are left remaining?

Posted by: unionisten 1.Mar.2013, 01:47 PM

well I can back Rick because it was me who Byke got banned , but I managed to get it reversed
Its an incredible missuse of the "power" byke has and shows his personality and agenda

Posted by: mångk 1.Mar.2013, 01:55 PM

What!

Your joking right??? huh.gif

Posted by: unionisten 1.Mar.2013, 01:56 PM

nope its true Rick speaks 100% truth Byke tried to stop me from posting here

Posted by: mångk 1.Mar.2013, 02:02 PM

Well that will teach you for using one of Bykes sources! laugh.gif

Posted by: unionisten 1.Mar.2013, 02:04 PM

lol but it seems that Byke is far from the top dog, im still here alive and posting and have proof of hiss missuse of position as a moderator

Posted by: Jamtjim 1.Mar.2013, 02:15 PM

Well, this is a rather interesting development!

Look, as far as Byke making his posts is concerned, I agree with the others (worryingly even with Klubbknickers) that Byke is, and should be, free to start any thread he so wishes. Everybody else has in turn the choice whether to read them or, as all too often in my case, not.

But "secret moderators"? Really? Have these moderators, as well as The Local themselves, not the courage of their convictions to stand up and be counted... in the open, un-anonymously? I guess not.

This is rather worrying as one has to ask the question as to who in their right mind would make Byke a moderator, secret or otherwise? Nothing really against Byke himself, it is just when one imagines a poster with the demeanour to make a good mod, one does not find oneself instantly thinking of Byke! Whoever next? Are we to discover that the previously mentioned Klubbers is now moderator material? How about cogito or heaven forbid, Investor? No, Byke, you are nowhere near as bad as these, but the precedent has been set that in order to be selected as a moderator on TL, one does not need to have displayed the good judgement and level headedness required to be a good one.

As a result, and if Rick is to be believed (personally I have no reason not to but I too have to ask why he only mentions this now), we now find out that Byke has abused this dubious responsibility by using his position to effectively censor another poster who disagreed with him!

A while back, I was stripped of a certain privilege and when I complained about it, was told by someone representing The Local that not only had a violated some vague and unspecified rule, if I was to have them returned, I would have to abide by that very same unstated regulation. As I could not undertake to do so... I mean who agrees to something they have not been able to even read?... I took the decision that the particular privilege in question was not worth having to make that commitment. As a result virtually every poster here has more posting rights than I do.

Now I am forced to ask myself as to who made such an unfathomable and frankly unintelligible demand on me. Was it a fellow poster with a chip on his or her shoulder? And the worst bit is we now know that there is a secret, (one might say almost masonically covert) set of posters with enhanced privileges and rights to make arbitrary decisions over us mere plebeians.

Come on TL, enough of the cloak and dagger stuff. If it is decided that we need moderators then let's see it done properly, with accountability and not in your usual embarrassingly inept and childishly amateurish way!

Posted by: Rick Methven 1.Mar.2013, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (mångk @ 1.Mar.2013, 01:38 PM) *
Another interesting question might be how many other 'secret moderators' are left remaining?

As far as I am aware none.

Byke and I were appointed some time ago, last year some new systems were put in place to spot the trolls and at that the The Local recommended that there should not be any secret mods. I agreed with the idea, but as I post under my real name and had had some problems with a couple of really nasty posters who had sent me PM's threatening physical violence, I resigned. subsequently, Puffin and Miss Kitten who were long time mods who were listed as mods in the forum index, also resigned. For nearly a year now, byke has been the only mod. Most of the time he has done a reasonable job. Puffin and I have had access to the moderators forum which has enabled us to give him the heads up on spammers etc to ease his job as he is alone and the TL admin people listed in the forum index take a very hands off approach, leaving the forum to be self moderated. When I saw a new thread on the moderators forum started by Admin relating to re-instating unionisten, I took a look at his posts and could see nothing that deserved banning. All he had done was taking a poke at byke which byke took exception to a so suspended his posting rights, which is an abuse of privilege.

Posted by: DavidNiven 1.Mar.2013, 02:33 PM

Interesting - life experience has taught me that forum moderators apply for the job for 2 types of reason:
1) Good reasons
2) Bad reasons

Posted by: gplusa 1.Mar.2013, 02:37 PM

It goes a long way to explain the clear downward trend of late in the tone of the featured news articles on the front page of TL. Seemed a very coincidental following of similar toned articles posted on the forum pages, desperately defended under the latest premise of "informing potential travellers". Any port in a storm, I guess. Anyway, put that little mystery to bed.

Speaking of TL and travellers, I took a trip on the Arlanda Express a couple of weeks back. Filling in the time, I gazed at the tv screen on board and was surprised to see a large segment of English news posting from our very own The Local. Presumably paid for by TL. Surprise turned into cringing embarassment upon reading. Not one article was positive about Sweden, and not one was factual. I won't even comment on the level of correct English grammar. I was embarassed to admit to being a native English speaker in Sweden to anyone on the train for fear that they might think that I somehow shared in this blatant attack on the country in which I was living. Having that sort of rubbish in the public eye, it's no wonder that immigrants get viewed with suspicion. With trash like that waving our banner, we get what we deserve.

Posted by: mångk 1.Mar.2013, 02:43 PM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 1.Mar.2013, 02:15 PM) *
Well, this is a rather interesting development!

Look, as far as Byke making his posts is concerned, I agree with the others (worryingly even with Klubbknickers) that Byke is, and should be, free to start any thread he so wishes. Everybody else has in turn the choice whether to read them or, as all too often in my case, not.

But "secret moderators"? Really? Have these moderators, as well as The Local themselves, not the courage of their convictions to stand up and be counted... in the open, un-anonymously? I guess not.

This is rather worrying as one has to ask the question as to who in their right mind would make Byke a moderator, secret or otherwise? Nothing really against Byke himself, it is just when one imagines a poster with the demeanour to make a good mod, one does not find oneself instantly thinking of Byke! Whoever next? Are we to discover that the previously mentioned Klubbers is now moderator material? How about cogito or heaven forbid, Investor? No, Byke, you are nowhere near as bad as these, but the precedent has been set that in order to be selected as a moderator on TL, one does not need to have displayed the good judgement and level headedness required to be a good one.

As a result, and if Rick is to be believed (personally I have no reason not to but I too have to ask why he only mentions this now), we now find out that Byke has abused this dubious responsibility by using his position to effectively censor another poster who disagreed with him!

A while back, I was stripped of a certain privilege and when I complained about it, was told by someone representing The Local that not only had a violated some vague and unspecified rule, if I was to have them returned, I would have to abide by that very same unstated regulation. As I could not undertake to do so... I mean who agrees to something they have not been able to even read?... I took the decision that the particular privilege in question was not worth having to make that commitment. As a result virtually every poster here has more posting rights than I do.

Now I am forced to ask myself as to who made such an unfathomable and frankly unintelligible demand on me. Was it a fellow poster with a chip on his or her shoulder? And the worst bit is we now know that there is a secret, (one might say almost masonically covert) set of posters with enhanced privileges and rights to make arbitrary decisions over us mere plebeians.

Come on TL, enough of the cloak and dagger stuff. If it is decided that we need moderators then let's see it done properly, with accountability and not in your usual embarrassingly inept and childishly amateurish way!

Welcome back!

Yes, what can I say!

Secret moderators pushing their own agenda!

With Byke and his threads I have made my thoughts known. I don't really agree with 1 poster flooding the board in the manner he is doing. He could do a daily or weekly thread quite easily. But that doesn't suit his agenda because as most people who have been here a while, he cannot back it up and 99.99% he is easily exposed.

Add to this push of his agenda the 'secret moderator' priviliges and well, how much of a chance is there that his posts will be moderated???

The thing that irks me the most is that other reasonable threads (that you and I have been involved in) have been removed without any real reasoning whilst Bykes anti-swedish stuff stays no matter how far he goes!

I suggest we bring back Trow as chief Moderator!

Makes about as much sense! wink.gif

Posted by: Rick Methven 1.Mar.2013, 02:43 PM

QUOTE (gplusa @ 1.Mar.2013, 02:37 PM) *
It goes a long way to explain the clear downward trend of late in the tone of the featured news articles on the front page of TL. Seemed a very coincidental following of similar toned articles posted on the forum pages, desperately defended under the latest premise of "informing potential travellers". Any port in a storm, I guess. Anyway, put that little mystery to bed.

Speaking of TL and travellers, I took a trip on the Arlanda Express a couple of weeks back. Filling in the time, I gazed at the tv screen on board and was surprised to see a large segment of English news posting from our very own The Local. Presumably paid for by TL. Surprise turned into cringing embarassment upon reading. Not one article was positive about Sweden, and not one was factual. I won't even comment on the level of correct English grammar. I was embarassed to admit to being a native English speaker in Sweden to anyone on the train for fear that they might think that I somehow shared in this blatant attack on the country in which I was living. Having that sort of rubbish in the public eye, it's no wonder that immigrants get viewed with suspicion. With trash like that waving our banner, we get what we deserve.

They even have it on some TV screens in the terminals, Skavsta as well!

Posted by: Kaipa 1.Mar.2013, 03:05 PM

Rick. Why announce this "revelation " now. Why not earlier?

Posted by: Rick Methven 1.Mar.2013, 03:15 PM

Because it is only now that I have been able to see the hard evidence of byke actually using his mod status to suspend another poster who's only crime was disagreeing with byke.

Posted by: DavidNiven 1.Mar.2013, 03:31 PM

Kaipa was referring to the revelation that
"They even have [TL] on some TV screens in the terminals, Skavsta as well!"

And I for one would like to know why you have withheld that information from us!

Posted by: DavidNiven 1.Mar.2013, 03:47 PM

Talking about volumes of posts - I was just now the latest poster to the last 10 posts on The Forum.
Do I win a prize? Or is a ban more appropriate?

Posted by: intrepidfox 1.Mar.2013, 03:56 PM

I defended Byke because of the right to the freedom of speech but after the last posts i wish to apologise for my defending him. If what Rick said is true which i now do not doubt, then he should be boycotted and banned from TL

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 1.Mar.2013, 04:03 PM

Welcome back "JJ"!

As I recall there was a time you could not post so many times in a day???

Is my memory of this wrong? There was one poster "The Bee" who answered every post possible with his/her idea of a joke, which naturally was not considered by most as any kind of humour...ergo multiple posting was curtailed...anybody remember...or am I going potty! laugh.gif
laugh.gif

Posted by: Kaipa 1.Mar.2013, 04:19 PM

IF Byke has had a poster removed or suspended because he didn't like said poster's views why hasn't he used these privledges on some of his more obvious enemies? It doesn't quite add up.

Why if Richk has resigned as a moderator does he still use the moderator privlidges which allows him access to to these areas. ( Isn't that a misuse of power?)

If Moderators were/are secret wasn''t that agreed upon by these people to allow them to participate freely on the forum which would be a conflict of interests.

Didn'nt/don't the moderators have to confer before a decision is taken?

Posted by: cogito 1.Mar.2013, 07:01 PM

Secret moderators? Who are also posters? WTF?

That explains the mysterious disappearance of many posters who dared disagree with Ayatollah Rick. They were bullied out.

Once, a poster on the news page said he had received veiled threats from Rick to his private email address. He asked how Rick could have obtained his private address. The post was deleted shortly after it appeared.

Back then, Rick frequently threatened posters with whom he disagreed. He would hint that he was going to report them to Puffin the Moderator. He also boasted that he could locate posters via their IP address.
He never admitted openly during the discussions that he was himself was one of the secret police.

Stasi lives at TL.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 1.Mar.2013, 07:09 PM

Wow!!!

Does that mean we should be nice to each other now?

I mean you never know...do you? blink.gif wacko.gif huh.gif

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 07:29 PM

There is so many things I would like to show in regards to these claims.
But by doing so would be irresponsible and effect a great deal of others who dont deserve such.

Its me that Rick wants, so I am going to have to let him make his claims without being able to respond.

All I can say is ...

Privacy and responsibility to protection of expression and views has been key to work behind the scenes. With such access comes great responsibility, greater than many may foresee from their perspective.

Any smear you see, just ask yourself ... based on the posts you have seen as of late by such.
Why would so called information come to light at this specific time?

And Cogito, please accept my most humble apologies for how you have been treated in the past. I wont deny situations that what you described haven't happened. But I can tell you that I was very critical for them happening and did my best to try and wrong the wrights. Both in regards to yourself and many other posters who were constantly picked on and defined as trolls to justify another persons view point and subsequent actions bestowed upon you.

As it stands now, that person is no longer able to commit the same actions they were able to in the past. But now as you can see a new style of actions are taking place in an attempt to shape this forum in a way they may seem fit.

Posted by: Johno 1.Mar.2013, 07:35 PM

Pity you were not active as a moderator when the gun thread got out of hand but just sat on your hands and let it fester away. To be apparently selective in protecting your own interests and leaving a thread like that shows no sense of responsibility whatsoever. As far as most of us are aware there has been no moderation of any sort bar deletion of spam threads (which the Local itself does) since Puffin gave up. And not replying to the accusations made above is just cowardly. Ceasing to be a moderator would be your only honourable course of action as far as I can see.

And the plague of this forum now is the number of "news" items posted by you and others (you know who you are) of very little merit. The Local has a news section. This is not it.

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 07:43 PM

QUOTE (Johno @ 1.Mar.2013, 07:35 PM) *
Pity you were not active as a moderator when the gun thread got out of hand but just sat on your hands and let it fester away. To be selective in protecting your own interests and leaving a thread like that shows no sense of responsibility whatsoever. As far as most of us are aware there has been no moderation of any sort bar deletion of spam threads (which the Local itself does) since Puffin gave up. And not replying to the accusations made above is just cowardly. Ceasing to be a moderator would be your only honourable course of action as far as I can see.

And the plague of this forum now is the number of "news" items posted by you and others (you know who you are) of very little merit. The Local has a news section. This is not it.

You are very wrong.
But again, I am unable to inform you of the facts.

Posted by: gplusa 1.Mar.2013, 07:44 PM

I feel a song coming on.

Posted by: Johno 1.Mar.2013, 07:44 PM

QUOTE
But again, I am unable to inform you of the facts.

Can't or won't ? Man or mouse ? Puffin owned up about moderating threads. There is no code of silence that we know of.

Posted by: Kaipa 1.Mar.2013, 07:45 PM

Personally I'm not convinced by Rick's accusations against Byke and to be honest if we believe what has been said then it means that Byke is the only moderator controlling this forum. Is that really the case? Surely a decision to suspend someone etc can not be made by just one person? There must be more than one.

Secondly what is Rick doing sniffing around areas that he should have no access to and then posting what he finds. As Byke says surely if you agree to be a moderator you take on certain responsibilities not to behave like this.

THIS IS A SMEAR CAMPAIGN!!!!
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Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 07:45 PM

Cant

Posted by: Johno 1.Mar.2013, 07:47 PM

QUOTE
THIS IS A SMEAR CAMPAIGN!!!!

Rubbish.

QUOTE
Cant

No, won't. Your silence only gives the impression you have something to hide. Prove me wrong.

Posted by: intrepidfox 1.Mar.2013, 07:52 PM

This is a dispute between Rick and Byke twisting situations and making conflicts between members. Ban both of them. Who knows what to believe anymore.

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 08:00 PM

QUOTE (Johno @ 1.Mar.2013, 07:47 PM) *
No, won't. Your silence only gives the impression you have something to hide. Prove me wrong.

So be it.
I have a greater responsibility than my own account reputation.
If it means I have to sacrifice my own credibility, then so be it.

Privacy and information is far greater of importance.

Contact The Local directly if you are really interested to know the truth.
They can then decide, as its not for me to say.

Posted by: Kaipa 1.Mar.2013, 08:01 PM

Could Puffin please help shed some light on this issue?

Posted by: AW1 1.Mar.2013, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 1.Mar.2013, 06:43 PM) *
You are very wrong.
But again, I am unable to inform you of the facts.

Why?

Posted by: Johno 1.Mar.2013, 08:06 PM

So on the Gun Law thread, I emailed The Local directly to put a stop to my name being attached to a thread title while you did nothing. And you have a "responsibility", obviously only to yourself, not to this forum. Credibility = zero

Posted by: AW1 1.Mar.2013, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 1.Mar.2013, 07:00 PM) *
I have to sacrifice my own credibility

Your continuous unbalanced reporting of anything (only the bad parts) that happens in Sweden might have done that.

Posted by: intrepidfox 1.Mar.2013, 08:18 PM

It looks like Byke is really Trow with his paranoid attitude and secrecy. All the respect i had for you Byke and how i backed you up is gone. En falsk mäniskor

Posted by: skogsbo 1.Mar.2013, 08:21 PM

interesting events;

To me a moderator should be a person here who has NO opinion, they log in as a moderator, under the title of 'mod1' etc.

They are free to give advice and assist on Swedish matters, but it is not their role to enter or be drawn into a debate. if they assume the role, they should be above all of that. Which ever side of the fence they sit in a debate is irrelvant, because they should not be commenting or starting potentially contentious debates.

There is also something a little wrong, also untrustworthy with the notion that person who has very strong opinions and perhaps dislikes other posters opinions is able to potentially access more personal information about them.

If a moderator wants to chat and debate anything more opinion based, then they log out, removing their "moderator" hat and log back in as "whoever", they are.

In return for working the moderators should have their internet/broadband costs covered by TL, they are providing a professional service.

It would appear the current system has turned into a bit of a shambles.

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 08:24 PM

QUOTE (Johno @ 1.Mar.2013, 08:06 PM) *
So on the Gun Law thread, I emailed The Local directly to put a stop to my name being attached to a thread title while you did nothing. And you have a "responsibility", obviously only to yourself, not to this forum.


I can promise you the discussion about editing titles and using persons names in such had been notified.
And had a dedicated message sent to those who can fix it.

I myself do not have the ability or tools at my disposal to fix such changes.

It would be interesting to look at who first started to use name changes in the thread you mention though.

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/xtra/topic_title_edit.php?tid=55005

Posted by: gplusa 1.Mar.2013, 08:28 PM

And that, Skogsbo, is why one learns never to post anything on the internet that they don't want the rest of the world to know about. That way one never has to worry about hiding, or facing the current sweaty situation.

Posted by: skogsbo 1.Mar.2013, 08:41 PM

very true, it's only really IP addresses and email addresses here, but some people do use either their real names or names very close to.

It's more the fact that it 'appears' the imaginary line between opinionated poster and moderator has been transgressed, in either direction.

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 08:55 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 1.Mar.2013, 08:24 PM) *
I can promise you the discussion about editing titles and using persons names in such had been notified.
And had a dedicated message sent to those who can fix it.

I myself do not have the ability or tools at my disposal to fix such changes.

It would be interesting to look at who first started to use name changes in the thread you mention though.

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/xtra/topic_title_edit.php?tid=55005

I also wanted to show you and prove to you that I dont have the ability on many functions that you may feel I do. (see pic)

Whereas the thread you mentioned, it was a Rick Methven who was the first person to start using titles to pick on others.

 
 

Posted by: Hamsterdam 1.Mar.2013, 09:02 PM

The thing about The local is the absolute lack of credibility, honesty and openness.

I saw an original thread the other day making a joke about byke that was taken down within 5 minutes. It was neither derogatory or incendiary. Strange that! Someone can post a racist or spam message that gets dealt with the following day.

It's like giving Jimmy Savile a job at mothercare.

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 09:03 PM

I can promise you that's not true either.

Posted by: Hamsterdam 1.Mar.2013, 09:09 PM

How can you promise that? Why would I lie about that?

There may be plenty of horse meat around at the moment but you seem to be spilling a lot more horse shit

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 09:12 PM

Do you want a screen shot of the trash bin?

Posted by: CathySky 1.Mar.2013, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Hamsterdam @ 1.Mar.2013, 09:09 PM) *
How can you promise that? Why would I lie about that?

There may be plenty of horse meat around at the moment but you seem to be spilling a lot more horse shit

HAHAHAHAHAHA biggrin.gif

Posted by: Hamsterdam 1.Mar.2013, 09:23 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 1.Mar.2013, 09:12 PM) *
Do you want a screen shot of the trash bin?

What trash bin? Don't flatter yourself, you are far from smart enough to provide any evidence to cover your arse.

Posted by: superturbo 1.Mar.2013, 09:24 PM

I can't believe someone actually made this guy a moderator, espcially considering his unhealthy obsession with all bad things Swedish. lol. biggrin.gif

Posted by: cogito 1.Mar.2013, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 1.Mar.2013, 07:29 PM) *
And Cogito, please accept my most humble apologies for how you have been treated in the past. I wont deny situations that what you described haven't happened... a new style of actions are taking place in an attempt to shape this forum in a way they may seem fit.

byke, although we disagree on almost everything, you have always been polite and reasonable in your rebuttals.
Unlike those of intellectual limitations whose idea of discussion is to shout abuse "nazi, jackboot, fascist, STFU. And then round up a gang of acolytes to hound the heretics out (yes, I'm talking to you, Rick) Now, we learn he was a moderator with unlimited license to delete posts with which he disagreed.

A couple of his veiled threats to posters who dared challenge his ideology:
"For your information she (Puffin) is also a board moderator so be careful how you behave or you just might get banned." (translation: I am going to squeal to the cops and have you Disappeared).

A comment from a poster who was threatened:
"Never disagree with Rick M. He threatens to run to Moderator to have posters he dislikes censored or banned."

Back to the USSR?.

Posted by: intrepidfox 1.Mar.2013, 09:33 PM

Who is telling the truth. Rick and others moan about anti swedish posts and then post "Sweden is so crap". It´s about time that people grew up as this discussion is getting very confusing and hateful especially when the Hamster comes on line (just look at his posts calling everybody twats or idiots) Also where does it say that Byke is a moderator i cannot find his name
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?act=Stats&CODE=leaders#.UTERDzCQWk0

Posted by: Hamsterdam 1.Mar.2013, 09:38 PM

thanks for your eternal wisdom rolleyes.gif

Posted by: intrepidfox 1.Mar.2013, 09:43 PM

Hamster all you can come up with is abuse. I think that you need to be a little bit more intelligent as looking at 90% of your posts you act like an idiot

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 10:39 PM

QUOTE (cogito @ 1.Mar.2013, 09:24 PM) *
byke, although we disagree on almost everything, you have always been polite and reasonable in your rebuttals.
Unlike those of intellectual limitations whose idea of discussion is to shout abuse "nazi, jackboot, fascist, STFU. And then round up a gang of acolytes to hound the heretics out (yes, I'm talking to you, Rick) Now, we learn he was a moderator with unlimited license to delete posts with which he disagreed.

A couple of his veiled threats to posters who dared challenge his ideology:
"For your information she (Puffin) is also a board moderator so be careful how you behave or you just might get banned." (translation: I am going to squeal to the cops and have you Disappeared).

A comment from a poster who was threatened:
"Never disagree with Rick M. He threatens to run to Moderator to have posters he dislikes censored or banned."

Back to the USSR?.

Just so you know what happened, enclosed is a sample.

 
 

Posted by: cogito 1.Mar.2013, 10:42 PM

It is off-putting to realize that there are wannabe spies among the participants here on the board.

A moderator who does not intuitively sense the inherent corruption of acting as a moderator at the same time as he/she is taking a position in a discussion s unqualified to be a moderator.

Either/Or. Moderator or Poster. Anything else is unethical. Miss Kitten was quite good as a Mod.

My guess is that there will be auto-censorship here now, just like in the Swedish press. We'll have more "How soon can I sign up for free stuff?" And, "Where can I buy milk and a pair of pants?"

Pity. It was fun.

Posted by: what would thomas paine do 1.Mar.2013, 11:36 PM

"Pity. It was fun."

sad.gif http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZv2s7fU0v4

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 1.Mar.2013, 11:39 PM

I have never seen this place so F**ked up, as it is now.

Where are the good guys...everybody seems to be a secret moderator.

God! I love it so! laugh.gif rolleyes.gif

Posted by: byke 1.Mar.2013, 11:47 PM

I have pretty much been the only person who had moderator privileges for the past year?
That's why generally there has been very little moderation.

I don't have the abilities that many think I may have in terms of actions that can be taken, and generally I don't like the idea of taking any action, unless its absolutely needed.

Basically the only thing I do is delete spam.
And make sure no threads are created specifically to take shots at individuals or name posters in thread titles.

Posted by: what would thomas paine do 1.Mar.2013, 11:56 PM

.

 
 

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 1.Mar.2013, 11:57 PM

Don't think of quitting...you seem to be a person that does not let power go to his head.

But why not confess the reasons for your anti Swede agenda...tell us why...we may be able to help you.

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:10 AM

Honest truth, I am not anti Swedish.
However, having been behind the scenes for many years I have seen things I can not repeat.

This forum is used for many different groups looking to get exposure.
From religious, to political to a whole host of other reasons.

Any discussion has to be free, as long as its kept civil.
Unfortunately, other people don't always feel this way.

And information such as current affairs is not represented well enough by the front page and is open to bias in part due to the need for revenue or commitments.

I piss a lot of people off.
And smile smile.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Mar.2013, 03:19 AM

Well, there you have it!...Read the very last part of Byke's post!

He admits to posting "Trollishly" and enjoys every minute of it...I mean who does this all the time?

His Crusade is to "Piss people off"...Wow, what a high aspiration!

And!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!...He is a Moderator, secretly of course, because TheLocal is...what now???

A weird place ...I'm starting to hear "Twilight Zone" music in the background!

When will it end! blink.gif
rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Kn33grow 2.Mar.2013, 06:31 AM

Shit just got serious,but where to start...

* Sad there are secret mods with access to private info about posters,im getting paranoid already.

* This looks like a smear campaign against Byke

* Well done Byke for defending yourself while still showing restraint.

On a side note,i cant see the problem if someone decides to post negative news stories about Sweden. Information, however much negative about sweden should never be censored.

Posted by: Hamsterdam 2.Mar.2013, 06:48 AM

The Local: A place where quality means nothing. Byke as a moderator is beyond a joke as he clearly carries mental issues that need to be resolved not fed. It will end in tears if that help is not found.

As for justification, this says it all.

"However, having been behind the scenes for many years I have seen things I can not repeat."

What utter tosh.

Still I suppose that my post will get deleted just like all the others that byke makes disappear, mostly on the basis that he has got up in the morning and realised that other than a stable and luckily found income, he has nothing to do and is depressed because of it.

Now byke, look around you and see who thinks you are doing a good job, cognito the tiresomely detested little snipe or the racist old soak intrepidfox. (who accuses me of abuse when in fact his own comments insult millions)

Now come and find my IP address, you may see one but I guarantee you couldn't trace me in a million years. However you are easy to trace BYKE. As for secretly having access to others, it is an abuse that will be stopped. No wonder you met in person with Methven who also abused his self sought status as moderator.

Bottom line byke is that you are entitle to post negative stories on here, you are even entitle to lie about your reasons. What you are not entitled to do is to delete others threads because they show you up for the mentally ill waster that you really are.

Posted by: skogsbo 2.Mar.2013, 07:12 AM

QUOTE (cogito @ 1.Mar.2013, 10:42 PM) *
Either/Or. Moderator or Poster. Anything else is unethical.
.

i agree, you can be a poster, but only a helpful and uncontentious one.

QUOTE (byke @ 1.Mar.2013, 11:47 PM) *
I have pretty much been the only person who had moderator privileges for the past year?
That's why generally there has been very little moderation.

perhaps because you've spent all your time cutting and pasting news titles?

QUOTE (byke @ 2.Mar.2013, 12:10 AM) *
I piss a lot of people off.

Doesn't sound like the role of a moderator.

Posted by: gplusa 2.Mar.2013, 07:40 AM

The desperate cry of the Backed-Into-A-Corner. "Whatever I do is perfectly ok so long as I can suggest that someone else is equally as bad".

Yeah, a tad late to start waving that card around.

Posted by: Hamsterdam 2.Mar.2013, 08:52 AM

They should never let a Swede monitor this forum in the first place. Or anyone for that matter who abuses the privilege. That includes Methven who passed out IP information to his friends.

I think its time to do something about the locals data protection abuses.

Posted by: cogito 2.Mar.2013, 08:57 AM

QUOTE (byke @ 1.Mar.2013, 10:39 PM) *
Just so you know what happened, enclosed is a sample.

That 'splains a lot. So Rick interprets every reply that challenges his "thinking" (being kind here) as stalking. So in addition to his other fine qualities he's paranoid. Sick.

Some day I might have the time (and inclination) to search and repost all the exchanges between Rick and myself, Rick and dozens of others.
But honestly, I can't be bothered. I've got a job.

The knowledge that we've got paranoid secret cops sneaking about reporting posters to "authorities"? Yuk.

Posted by: unionisten 2.Mar.2013, 09:12 AM

QUOTE (byke @ 1.Mar.2013, 11:47 PM) *
I don't have the abilities that many think I may have in terms of actions that can be taken, and generally I don't like the idea of taking any action, unless its absolutely needed.

so im my case it was absolutley needed to stop me from posting since I had expoced your bullshit??

Posted by: Hamsterdam 2.Mar.2013, 09:20 AM

In the name of decency byke, resign and seek counselling.

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 09:32 AM

QUOTE (unionisten @ 2.Mar.2013, 09:12 AM) *
so im my case it was absolutley needed to stop me from posting since I had expoced your bullshit??

Ok,
since this is all coming out I am going to lay this on the line.

Lets just look at your case shall we?
You had a difference of opinion, fine.
You posted that difference of opinion, fine.
You then decided to spam the board with multiple posts of the exact same thing you had already posted by creating new threads with titles that used members names in the title and also using abusive claims at specific members in the title.

The multiple spams you had posted of the same thing were deleted, but 1 copy of your spam was left up so that you had the right to an opinion.

You had your posting privileges revoked for a 10 day period.
You weren't banned, you had full access to your account and the messenger service and were able to see the board in full.

Now, if you like I can post screen shots of the entire thing including evidence of the offending posts.
This action is taken against any member of the board regardless on who they look to pick on.

Posted by: Hamsterdam 2.Mar.2013, 09:49 AM

So speaks the voice of treason.

Posted by: John.Smith 2.Mar.2013, 11:23 AM

For what it is worth, I believe that there is a conflict of interest in place at the moment with Byke being moderator and also one of the 'main' thread starters on the forum...
The fact that Byke also creates threads that are by his own admission designed to provoke is also a point of serious concern.

In essence, the combination of Bykes flooding the forum with content of a very targeted and specific theme and his ability to moderate concerns me...

I understand that Byke is limited in what he can say in his defence and I commend his restraint. I also understand that in his threads he has not broken any rules... however for one person to be able to control the theme and atmosphere of the forum is wrong. It goes against the spirit of a community.

I rarely get dragged into personal confrontations here and avoid certain topic contents because I loath such behaviour and indeed have some people on ignore because I do not like the way they abuse others here.

However, in the absence of others willing to take on the moderators roles and willing to do so openly nothing will change. I have no wish to moderate but perhaps we can turn this discussion around to find out if at least one other poster here is willing to 'assist' Byke in his moderation duties or failing this create a peer group of long term posters who are willing to act as a sounding board to Byke by being given access to the moderators forums.

Just an idea.

By the way, the absence of proof does not mean guilt, I think Byke may have made a judgement error with the suspension case however I also believe that he believe strongly in free speech. It is a case of ensuring that a correct balanced approach is required.

P:S:
If I had know that it was not allowed to reference a members name on a thread I would not have done it. Also, the purpose of this thread has changed a lot to the opening post.

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 11:32 AM

I want to make sure people know, I didnt change this thread title.
I just wanted to point out it was a choice made by the OP.

 
 

Posted by: John.Smith 2.Mar.2013, 11:35 AM

Yes, just playing by the rules Byke. Not meant to provoke but at the same time the rules are applicable to all... Or?

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:03 PM

I fully agree that rules (if any should be applied in the same manner to all users)

And I wish to define it clearly as how I have interpreted them in the past.
In regards to threads with user names in them.

My view has been (previously) that any thread that is made that targets another member and mentions that member in the title should be removed.

The guidelines of the rules mention this, and I believe that its an important rule to follow.
As the picking out of single members to be open for scrutiny is or could be classed as bullying or mobbing. That both risks freedom of information to be passed on this board and can be construed as breaking the law in Sweden.

Any thread that uses members names in the title is usually deleted.
Any thread that uses members names in the title as well as abusive statements is generally deleted and posting restrictions applied.

Now the big problem is threads that are created, but titles are changed later on by other posters.
As experienced by "Johno" in the gun thread.

As when established discussions take place, and other members (as we saw with Rick Methven)
then choose to break this rule and manipulate a thread title to suit their own agenda. It leaves with very little a mod such as myself can do.

I cant generally edit the title myself, I cant lock the ability for others to be able to manipulate the thread titles.

The only options I have available to me are the following.
Close the post
Delete the post
Or suspend abusers rights from posting for a specified period of time.

All of the options available are crap.
As if I delete or lock said post it will be construed as censorship.
And if I revoke posting abilities its often then claimed as a ban and an oppression of speech.

Basically , the title of moderator is very misleading.
The powers entrusted, are limited and I dont wish to be a person who is in charge of sorting out debate problems.

I basically clean up shit such as deleting spam.
And put restrictions at very few times at those who repeatedly break the rules.

Posted by: Johno 2.Mar.2013, 12:22 PM

QUOTE
Now the big problem is threads that are created, but titles are changed later on by other posters.
As experienced by "Johno" in the gun thread.

As when established discussions take place, and other members (as we saw with Rick Methven)
then choose to break this rule and manipulate a thread title to suit their own agenda. It leaves with very little a mod such as myself can do.

So you didn't have the power as The Local does of locking the thread title back to the original title, or as implied you chose not to and you just pick and choose when to act. Whats the point then ?

PS Is it you on here as Anonymous as I suspect ? What does that say about you ?

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:28 PM

QUOTE (Johno @ 2.Mar.2013, 12:22 PM) *
So you didn't have the power as The Local does of locking the thread title back to the original title, or as implied you pick and choose.

PS Is it you on here as Anonymous as I suspect ? What does that say about you ?

No I dont have that power as "The Local" does.
And no, I am not "Anonymous".

All I am is that thankless bastard, who tries to help quietly behind the scenes (regardless of poster) but gets scrutinized and accused of every fictional make believe claim.

Posted by: Johno 2.Mar.2013, 12:29 PM

QUOTE
And no, I am not "Anonymous".

So why are you not showing on http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?act=Online&CODE=listall&sort_key=name&sort_order=asc&show_mem=reg#.UTHguaKeObs I dont believe you.

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:33 PM

Oh, I thought you meant I had separate handle or username.
In regards to online activity, when signing in I often have my online status hidden.
This is an option for all users when logging on.

Many users hide their online status.
Its a right for all built into the system (If they so choose).

Posted by: Johno 2.Mar.2013, 12:34 PM

QUOTE
Many users hide their online status.

In fact very very few do. Do those who choose to do so have something to hide ? Its sculking around so that nobody can see what you are reading. It isnt as if we can identify you in reality, unlike Rick who we can look up if we are so minded. Jeez. Unmasked now.

ps Its funny to spot you coming to and fro now we know what you do !

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:41 PM

QUOTE (Johno @ 2.Mar.2013, 12:34 PM) *
In fact very few do. Do those who choose to do so have something to hide ? Its sculking around so that nobody can see what you are reading. It isnt as if we can identify you, unlike Rick who we can look up if we are so minded.

Afraid you are very wrong again.
But by disclosing any more information regarding others would be wrong.

Again,
Lets look at the issue you faced.

You took part in a post that you were interested in.
One of the persons, started to manipulate the title of the thread.
You were dragged into this thread title in a negative manner.
I had informed the issue to the local as I had no powers to make any changes.
And I am now getting all the flack ?

Seriously, dafuq?

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:47 PM

Oh and by the way, just to piss on your parade.
You can see in the top 20 posters that Rick Methven has been hidden online today.
By looking at the screen shot you will see his status is hidden.
Yet when you click on his username you will see he was actually online at a certain point today.

(examples included to show this between Rick and a poster who hasnt been active for many years)

 
 

Posted by: Johno 2.Mar.2013, 12:48 PM

QUOTE
I had informed the issue to the local as I had no powers to make any changes.

I seriously doubt it since it was my direct message that got action. Just consider yourself a failure as moderator.

I repeat, very very few hide their presence. Use my link to see just how many are on line at one time and see how many hidden users you can spot.

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:51 PM

Again, I am not in that sense a moderator.
I clean up shit, regardless of who ... But do not have any of the powers you seem to think I do.

The only failings are users such as yourself who now deludes themselves with fictional views and snide comments to help justify their own self worth.

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:54 PM

QUOTE (Johno @ 2.Mar.2013, 12:48 PM) *
I repeat, very very few hide their presence. Use my link to see just how many are on line at one time and see how many hidden users you can spot.

You can repeat it as much as you like.
I can see things which you obviously cant, even if shown to you.
Your understanding of how this site works is very naive.

But again, your not looking for facts or truth are you.

Posted by: Johno 2.Mar.2013, 12:54 PM

QUOTE
Again, I am not in that sense a moderator.

Wtf ?
It comes down to name calling now. Hej då !

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 12:56 PM

What name calling ?
There is no name calling.

Good bye.

Posted by: unionisten 2.Mar.2013, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 2.Mar.2013, 09:32 AM) *
Ok,
since this is all coming out I am going to lay this on the line.

Lets just look at your case shall we?
You had a difference of opinion, fine.
You posted that difference of opinion, fine.
You then decided to spam the board with multiple posts of the exact same thing you had already posted by creating new threads with titles that used members names in the title and also using abusive claims at specific members in the title.

The multiple spams you had posted of the same thing were deleted, but 1 copy of your spam was left up so that you had the right to an opinion.

You had your posting privileges revoked for a 10 day period.
You weren't banned, you had full access to your account and the messenger service and were able to see the board in full.

Now, if you like I can post screen shots of the entire thing including evidence of the offending posts.
This action is taken against any member of the board regardless on who they look to pick on.

i called you a liar and i stand by that, you put up headlines that dont match the artichle.
i never spamed i questioned your motive and yo where PROVEN WRONG to revoke my privilage to poste
Byke you dont have a leg to stand upon

Posted by: Kn33grow 2.Mar.2013, 01:34 PM

Dont know if guys are being serious here,you blaming somebody for using a feature thats available to all? Whats if he hid his online status?Amazing !

Its better we stop all the witch hunting and settling personal scores and instead lets focus on making the current moderating system better.

Posted by: John.Smith 2.Mar.2013, 02:14 PM

Agreed. Byke as moderator you should know better than to get pulled into a personal argument on the forum on which you moderate. You also say that the rules apply to all and that the 'name on a thread title' is against the rules... but apparently only selectively when it's your name?? This behaviour is the reason why so many are pissed at you.

Also, those of you who have personal gripes with Byke sort it out via PM's or some other medium. It's getting tiresome already.

It is clear to me that the current moderation system is NOT working in a transparent manner which in turn casts doubt on its objectivity and fairness.

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 02:25 PM

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 2.Mar.2013, 02:14 PM) *
Agreed. Byke as moderator you should know better than to get pulled into a personal argument on the forum on which you moderate. You also say that the rules apply to all and that the 'name on a thread title' is against the rules... but apparently only selectively when it's your name?? This behaviour is the reason why so many are pissed at you.

Hold on,
We need to address this as I don't follow.
What exactly am I supposed to have done (or not done) ?

Posted by: unionisten 2.Mar.2013, 02:37 PM

well Byke you know what you have done, miss used your privilages as a secret moderator

Posted by: byke 2.Mar.2013, 02:59 PM

No I dont know what I have done.

You abused the rules, not because it was directed at me.
You were treated in exactly the same way that any other member would be treated.

And when I am on a better device this evening I will post up the screen shots to show I went by the book.
If you make threads specifically looking to target individual posters on this board, in a name calling manner.
Then you will be "moderated" the same as any one else, regardless if it was to me or any other poster.

The real sham is that you have been able to have your privileges re-instated under a false guise.
As this sends out a signal that you as an individual have more rights than others.

Posted by: unionisten 2.Mar.2013, 03:13 PM

what false guise? i just question why my posting privilages was revoced, you where deemed to have been in the wrong.
clearly im the wronged part here and you caused it. just admit that you was wrong since im clearly here
you know who reinstated my posting privilages and there fore deemed that you where wrong and missjuged the situation.

Posted by: Hisingen 2.Mar.2013, 06:34 PM

All this is reminscent of Tommy Hanley and the ITMA days.

"This is Fünf speaking". (Taking the Micky out of the German Fifth Column)

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Not to mention "Mind my bike", but cannot for the life of me remember whose catch-phrase that was.

Posted by: skogsbo 2.Mar.2013, 07:11 PM

well, let's be realistic, running a forum for immigrants in any country is a real challenge, purely because of the diverse backgrounds and complete lack of even a single unifying factor or common ground. You just wouldn't get people joining a sports fourm and posting, because they hadn't tried a sport ever, or hated that specific sport.

Change this forum from Sweden to say a hobby - Knitting;

-Many users have never knitted, ever in their lives
-Many users haven't tried knitting, but hate it with a passion, posting hourly against it
-Many users knit everyday, but still love or hate it
-Many users don't even know anybody who knits or has knitted in their lifetime, but still post about knitting
-Mnay users have not knitted for years and but foster fond memories of it.

Now, strange thing is, this knitting forum got so popular they needed a moderator, so they chose a person who is 99% against knitting !!

Posted by: Guest 2.Mar.2013, 09:05 PM

Well, well, well. Nice to see some things exposed to our readers. First of all, this moderator system is a COMPLETE JOKE. Why is it that TL hires only far-left extremists as moderators?? Byke, Puffin and Methven are well-known (around here at least) supporters of the extreme far-left and the proof is in their posts. That is documented fact. We all know that TL is a far-left website but the least that they could do would be to TRY and give the appearance that they are a legit, balanced news source. Now I know why we have to read drivel from that Mohammadi guy every few months.
People are coming down pretty hard on Byke here and with good reason. The idea of a moderator banning people b/c they have different views is just disgusting and cowardly. It's happened to myself here and many others as well. I will give Byke credit for being somewhat contrite, coming clean and answering some questions.
Byke's role in all this is pretty bad but I would reserve my strongest condemnations for Methven. Over a year ago, there was a well-known poster named, Uncle, who Methven probably had banned eventually. Uncle and myself asked Methven straight-up, "Are you a moderator, yes or no?" Methven actually answered, in all caps no less, "NO" to that question. So it's well-established that he is a liar. Furthermore, the guy can't even have a proper debate about an issue without resorting to childish name-calling and banning those with viewpoints other than his own. And everyone surely remembers how he exposed himself as a racial bigot when he wrote that he much preferred a dark-skinned baby to a "pasty white" Swedish one. I could go on and on about that guy but the main point is...I cannot believe that someone appointed Methven a moderator and allowed him to continue with his antics for so long. TL really is a complete joke.

Posted by: Johno 2.Mar.2013, 09:15 PM

I think your idea of far left is the joke here. Puffin, far left, seriously ! Always neutral, only ever helpful advice. Since you have rejoined after being banned, probably for good reason, to gain some credibility, please disclose your posting name from before. Then we can judge. Otherwise, why not disappear again and leave discussion to the grown ups.

Posted by: Guest 2.Mar.2013, 09:32 PM

Obviously you havent been around long enough or haven't read well enough. Perhaps you missed Puffin's 100% biased "Guide to the Swedish Election" post before the last election? Or her talking about how Denmark is a racist country simply b/c the People's Party has a good deal of support there? She definitely seems like a nice person and is helpful to people here, but she is far-left. As for my posting name(s) there are too many to list. Now go read about freedom of expression so you can properly adapt to Western society.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Mar.2013, 09:38 PM

Hhhmmmmmn...who is that stranger?...Better still...Who was that stranger?

Posted by: Elf_Moon 2.Mar.2013, 10:57 PM

So we're not content with debating the topics, we've decided to turn on one another? O.o

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Mar.2013, 11:18 PM

Yes!...That's what we do best...it's the way of TheLocal wacko.gif

Posted by: Svensksmith 2.Mar.2013, 11:37 PM

The Local as well as most of the media is left leaning. Just the way it is. Methven probably steps out of the shower to take a piss. Gee whiz.

Posted by: Hisingen 3.Mar.2013, 12:15 AM

From what you say, I gather that perhaps you do not, but stay inside and 'wash' your feet then, since you find it unusual. tongue.gif

Posted by: what would thomas paine do 3.Mar.2013, 01:24 AM

Welcome to The Local... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6IsHLTdoRME

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 01:31 AM

The Wave, has been banned numerous times in the past with names such as :

The Wave
Paddling Out
Jean Noel
MarshallMathers
MiikeSnow2
MiikeSnow
Wahabi4Sverige
Empanadas
Enrichment and Diversity
The Great Pumpkin
The Great Cornholio
Richard Head
Rod Munch
Mooseknuckle
Lil_Wang
DiazBros209
Nalgas
Your Mom
Middelfart
Infart
Bungholio777
Fittja

He has a point to some extent.
But so we can hopefully both save time, I can tell him that if he wants to play this game he is wasting both his and my time as he has been issued with a permaban based on past behaviour. And this is something that wont change (even if I leave etc) as such is in place.

In return for not wasting my time I will gladly give that person a gift in return for not wasting my time.
And that is a link to a much larger forum with a much larger reader base for the agenda they are looking to promote.

The website is called www.flashback.org and has a much larger audience for the user.
In return I would hope they use that help I have given them and in return not waste any more of my time as its out of my hands.

Posted by: Elf_Moon 3.Mar.2013, 03:07 AM

Well I think this is all rather silly, I don't know why we can't all be friends. Who wants to have friends who nod like puppets and agree with everything that is said? That's just boring!

Posted by: Hek 3.Mar.2013, 03:16 AM

The bottom line is that this "secret" moderator called Byke has expelled members/deleted treads on this forum not agreeing to his disorderly abssesion of Swedish news...
My personal view is that he has to be expelled not beeing fair or neutral to the participants..

He says he has deleted "spam"... What can you call his treads?

Yea you guessed it: SPAM but not deleted...

May he rest in peace... He is done...

Posted by: John.Smith 3.Mar.2013, 09:31 AM

Expulsion of trolls and idiots is just one aspect of moderation and one that takes time and energy. Another aspect is to ensure that decisions are made impartially with regards to the content allowed on the forum. Byke should be commended for the energy he has put in so far and an expulsion is not an impartial objective here.
I call for an expansion of the moderation team and an end to the secret moderator system.

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 10:00 AM

Listen,
I have included a screen shot of the bin for you all to see.
I dont moderate posts generally, as I dont believe in it.

The reason for being a "secret mod" at the time was because while there are certain function I have access to, I never wanted or have agreed to be a person to start looking to censor posts etc.

Again, my idea of being a mod was simply being able to ensure that spam was deleted, and any posts that threaten to the running of this board were also removed. As unfortunately, because this board is almost a portal to a common language of Sweden - its also been used by groups for manipulative purposes. At the expense of the users on this board.

But in saying that, I dont know fully whats going on behind the scenes either as my contact with the person who bestowed such mod status to me also seems to also have disappeared.
And now it seems that according to the rubbish bin that their is a new mod that I dont even know about.

As you can understand, this whole cloak and dagger routine means I dont even know fully whats going on. Yet because I am the only one who is now associated with being a "mod" - all issues that may have ever existed or come to light in the future will be passed onto being "me".
Even though I dont generally get involved.

Unfortunately what this will lead to is another cloak and dagger moderation system.
And most probably lead to a lot more moderation on the board by whichever mods are now in place.

And while I have no problem stepping down with a very clear conscious, I would do so knowing that the board had finally succumb to external influences.

 
 

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 10:14 AM

Ok guys,
Well having woken up and seen there has been moderation to the board while I was sleeping.
And knowing of only myself as considered a mod, I am in a tough situation.

As obviously things have now changed, regardless.
And such changes I dont even know about.

But I cant risk being tarred with accusations of false charges.
Caused by the actions of others.

I worked by the book while it lasted, but since localgate has now got to this point.
Its no longer a viable crusade to ensure that the board is kept clean.

Posted by: Hamsterdam 3.Mar.2013, 12:21 PM

Maybe taking your head out of your arse would help.

I do not see why anyone would be against moderation on the site to keep it clean. However the sole problem is that you are the one doing it. You see no further than your own nose and and so naive that you fail to see what the actual problems are.

A moderator should be seen and rarely heard, you manage to spread your personal disposition of life frustration of living in Sweden and happily admit you like to wind people up. How you find that acceptable is unbelievable, but given you ego not surprising. It may suit The local to have a stirrer doing a free job for them, as the misconception is they cant be held accountable for the the content. In reality the law can run right through that ignorance. As for reputational damage, this place is like a Murdoch owned company, as long as it helps create money they don't care.

Now I know you are not a bad lad byke, but you really need to get yourself sorted out. You have a family, stop thinking that money buys you long term happiness, it doesn't on its own.

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 02:06 PM

QUOTE (Hamsterdam @ 3.Mar.2013, 12:21 PM) *
I do not see why anyone would be against moderation on the site to keep it clean. However the sole problem is that you are the one doing it. You see no further than your own nose and and so naive that you fail to see what the actual problems are.

Yet you yourself seem to not understand what tools are available for so called mods.
If the tools are not there, then the job can not be done.

QUOTE
A moderator should be seen and rarely heard

Until a week ago, as a mod I was never heard as it was not common knowledge.

QUOTE
you like to wind people up.

Not like, but do.
I piss off the religious groups.
I piss off the guerrilla advertisers
I piss off spammers
I piss off data hacking groups
I piss off social media influence groups

So on and so on ... I piss everyone off.
Not because I take pleasure in doing so, but because this forum has been maintained to ensure that it primarily serves individual English speakers first and foremost. (expats, internationals, immigrants, current affairs readers etc)

QUOTE
How you find that acceptable is unbelievable, but given you ego not surprising. It may suit The local to have a stirrer doing a free job for them, as the misconception is they cant be held accountable for the the content. In reality the law can run right through that ignorance. As for reputational damage, this place is like a Murdoch owned company, as long as it helps create money they don't care.

There may be some truth in that.

QUOTE
Now I know you are not a bad lad byke, but you really need to get yourself sorted out. You have a family, stop thinking that money buys you long term happiness, it doesn't on its own.

Attempts at Profiling are wrong.
But cheers for your concern.

Posted by: John.Smith 3.Mar.2013, 02:23 PM

Byke, like it or lump it, TL will publish any stories they see fit. It is a commercial entreprise and run to make a profit. I could not care less if they only published stories about fish. The point is that the forum is a free service provided by them to us. I for one am very grateful for it and I am also grateful for whomever moderates and cleans out spam and trolls.

I have no gripe with you other than your role as moderator ( regardless of tools available to you) is a conflict of interest with your self appointed role to keep the forum updated with articles with a specific slant.
In fact, in hind sight I dont even care if the moderation is secret or not so long as there is more than one impartial person.

Issue over for me at this point.

Posted by: gplusa 3.Mar.2013, 03:32 PM

The continued and obsessive posting of deliberately negative slanted posts with reference to Sweden by a person known to be representing the owners of this site will be allowed to continue as long as the Swedish advertisers, who are paying for the site to exist, allow it. Which begs the question as to whether those advertisers are aware that the site they are paying for is carrying out an active official campaign of undermining Sweden in the public arena. I am sure that, once they find out about this, and the money starts disappearing, we'll start to see a few long overdue improvements here.

You only have to look at the good posters who now no longer actively contribute to the forum in the way that they used to, to see the terminal damage caused by one rogue individual.

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 3.Mar.2013, 02:23 PM) *
Byke, like it or lump it, TL will publish any stories they see fit. It is a commercial enterprise and run to make a profit. I could not care less if they only published stories about fish.

I dont disagree with you to any point whatsoever.
But the news page is very different from the forum as the forum is user content.
Supplied by users, without the need for bias or influence.

QUOTE
The point is that the forum is a free service provided by them to us. I for one am very grateful for it and I am also grateful for whomever moderates and cleans out spam and trolls.

I agree again, but I am not 100% sure in regards to who provides the forum.
As it is or has been a separate entity that has been supplied.

QUOTE
I have no gripe with you other than your role as moderator ( regardless of tools available to you) is a conflict of interest with your self appointed role to keep the forum updated with articles with a specific slant.

Again, I dont disagree with you.
But any person who is a poster on the board will have a slant in regards to their posts.
And too am very critical of the risk of contamination between moderating (as shown) and personal view that could effect moderating.

But to be without bias, would be impossible - regardless of who modded the forum.
As even if we had a team of mods that didnt post or socialize on the forum. It doesnt mean that abuses couldnt happen or the question of which posts may need to be locked or deleted occur.

I have never posted (previously to last week) as a mod.
And no influence has ever been bestowed onto others by my placement as being a mod.
As the posts that have been submitted previously were submitted as a user (nothing more).

QUOTE
In fact, in hind sight I dont even care if the moderation is secret or not so long as there is more than one impartial person.

Me neither,
But again we have had previous mods who have interpreted modding in a way which has been shown on here. And when such happens there is very little that can be done as over head guidance is non existent and their is no head honcho or top dog to report to. Nor is there any financial or other rewards for such.
Its purely done as a labor of (love, stupidity) delete as applicable.

The situation as it stands right now is that I am a poster.
A poster first and foremost.
If the local delete my mod status or add new mods to the roster etc - then no qualms.

But what you need to understand is that their is no longer any contact coming from the local to mods.
And has not been any for a very long time.

The first new contact that has been had in the moderator forum from "someone above" was last week and they made a grave error. Not in regards to overriding or making a judgement. But by clearly not having full acess to things such as report sheets that were filled in at the time which documented such. And also the fact that the local posts anonymously and do not respond.

So given the current chain of events.
What do you propose happens now?

As you can see, I have no contact with the staff of the local and the previous head bloke is nowhere to be seen. I can tell you that I could revoke my mod status - but the truth is I cant. As I have no contact with the local and they do not respond on the moderator forum.

I suspect the guy who ran the forum etc, has disappeared.
Or no longer wants to be part of the forum.
And those who work on the news side dont want any of the work relating to the forum either.

Obviously I can stop moderating 100% and be a poster only.
But then I am gong to get it in the neck for any issues that do go down and then going to also be expected to clean up any shit if it piles up.

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 04:29 PM

QUOTE (gplusa @ 3.Mar.2013, 03:32 PM) *
The continued and obsessive posting of deliberately negative slanted posts with reference to Sweden by a person known to be representing the owners of this site will be allowed to continue as long as the Swedish advertisers, who are paying for the site to exist, allow it. Which begs the question as to whether those advertisers are aware that the site they are paying for is carrying out an active official campaign of undermining Sweden in the public arena. I am sure that, once they find out about this, and the money starts disappearing, we'll start to see a few long overdue improvements here.

You only have to look at the good posters who now no longer actively contribute to the forum in the way that they used to, to see the terminal damage caused by one rogue individual.

Your a plumb,
I dont represent the owners of the site.
A campaign of undermining sweden? seriously please ... its called news. And is not even written by me.

Oh and BTW I dont have anything to do with the news on the front page or some train like the arlanda express. If I did, trust me they wouldnt be only gay, immigration and jewish headlines.

Posted by: Johno 3.Mar.2013, 04:30 PM

Two anonymous users reading this just now. Out of curiousity, why do you guys need to hide your identities, though at a guess one is probably Byke.

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 04:33 PM

Are you sure its not you?
I cant see your name at the bottom of the screen either and it also says 2 anonymous users.

Posted by: Johno 3.Mar.2013, 04:39 PM

Try looking in http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?act=Online&CODE=listall&sort_key=name&sort_order=asc&show_mem=reg to see if I am on line. I have never ever been anonymous on here. Its just that I dont linger for ever on one thread like some folks.

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 04:46 PM

Its not really a debate worth having.
Its an option, its widely used by many posters.

Some people like anonymity, others don't.
Some have real names for user names, some dont.

But if you think its a problem that users do have online status information hidden, take it up with the people who run this board. Instead on lingering on this reply like you have suggested.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Mar.2013, 05:04 PM

A while ago I left this place because a great number here wanted Moderators and more moderation, I was one of the few who protested against them...Well you won, didn't you.

Their can never be an impartial Moderator!

Posted by: John.Smith 3.Mar.2013, 05:45 PM

Yes, there can be impartiality. And anyone who is not capable of impartiality should not be a moderator in the first instance.

I modded on a different forum for several years and understand the thankless job that it is. But I can say that I acted in a transparent manner and among the mods we had discussions before taking any banning, suspension or thread locking etc... i.e. it went to a vote so no one person had total control.

I am quite sure there are posters here who would be happy to share the moderation duties including the spam cleaning and de-trolling. I can think of two posters in particular who would be ideal candidates. Maybe one of them is in fact the other secret Mod already? smile.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Mar.2013, 05:56 PM

I think "Trow" did not leave this forum...he went into the front office and plotted with the owners and created this mod undercover conspiracy...for what purpose you say?

To undermine and destroy the unity, amity, love, and good fellowship that has been the hallmark of this entertaining, educational...and laugh.gif weird forum...that we so appreciate and enjoy...

Posted by: Kaipa 3.Mar.2013, 07:06 PM

Byke you've put up a brave fight and I can't think there is anything else you can do to defend your position. Now that " people are accusing you of being in " in bed" with the owners of TL it is clear that this thread has become a complete load of crap.. Resign as a Moderator and let the whole thing descend into a verbal brawl . Eventually it will become so tiresome and unstructured we will all become bored and find other (probably more constructive ) ways to fill our lives. Please do it!!! We need to sleep now

Posted by: byke 3.Mar.2013, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 3.Mar.2013, 05:45 PM) *
Maybe one of them is in fact the other secret Mod already? smile.gif

It wouldn't surprise me if there was.
Super Secret mods, to keep an eye on secret mods and so on ... LOL

(Trow, would have had a field day)

QUOTE (Kaipa @ 3.Mar.2013, 07:06 PM) *
Byke you've put up a brave fight and I can't think there is anything else you can do to defend your position. Now that " people are accusing you of being in " in bed" with the owners of TL it is clear that this thread has become a complete load of crap.. Resign as a Moderator and let the whole thing descend into a verbal brawl . Eventually it will become so tiresome and unstructured we will all become bored and find other (probably more constructive ) ways to fill our lives. Please do it!!! We need to sleep now

Cheers,
Well as I have said before I have no one to resign to ... I simply just have to stop modding in that case.
(Which is fine) There is no remove mod status button, and no person to contact to remove mod status.

I have no qualms either way.

But thank you all for taking the time out and listening so that you have a real idea of the mechanics relating to "behind the scenes". As its not what many people imagine.

Thank you and good night.

Posted by: unionisten 3.Mar.2013, 09:30 PM

i dont think Byke is in bed with TL just that he is missusing his mod status from time to time

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Mar.2013, 09:51 PM

How do we know that any of this is really...true?

Rick M has not posted for a while...I wrote TheLocal and got no reply.

While I have been here the mechanism of becoming a Moderator has never been revealed...so how did Byke and Rick M get those "secret" jobs?

No other past Moderator has come forth with anything relevant!

Maybe this place was "hacked" by people unmentioned?

The guy that Byke "reported" to is gone???

What is going on? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Hamsterdam 3.Mar.2013, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 3.Mar.2013, 05:04 PM) *
A while ago I left this place because a great number here wanted Moderators and more moderation, I was one of the few who protested against them...Well you won, didn't you.

Well you would do wouldn't you. You are a self proclaimed racist. If you openly stated your views in public you would be arrested. Wanker.
QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 3.Mar.2013, 09:51 PM) *
how did Byke and Rick M get those "secret" jobs?

They both thought they were better than others on the site. Both were wrong by a long way.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Mar.2013, 11:29 PM

Things like your comments keep me here...I just love those that are so outspoken that they come across as what they deny to others...keep it up!!!... laugh.gif

Posted by: Svensksmith 4.Mar.2013, 12:23 AM

..."You are a self proclaimed racist. If you openly stated your views in public you would be arrested. Wanker."

I don't know if Jesse Jackson has ever been arrested. But his son has.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2013, 12:26 AM

laugh.gif x3

Posted by: intrepidfox 4.Mar.2013, 01:04 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 3.Mar.2013, 11:29 PM) *
Things like your comments keep me here...I just love those that are so outspoken that they come across as what they deny to others...keep it up!!!... laugh.gif

Nicely said Gamla. Just look at all his posts to see what a twat he is. It´s a shame that Byke doen´t ban him especially after his comment about the US gunlaws

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2013, 01:25 AM

Well, I am totally bewildered about Byke as a moderator...really I am.

How does that happen...his agenda is well known...TheLocal people must be aware of his, postings and their content and their volume and frequency!

Right?

And then there is Rick M as a secret moderator... he puts it right out there, with nothing to imagine...it is soooo easy to cross swords with him...actually I think he likes the come back laugh.gif

My, My...what has TheLocal come to?

About the other guy...unmentioned...previous...you know who...he is just window dressing for our comedy shop... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: byke 4.Mar.2013, 02:13 AM

Well, having been a mod since 2010 (YES YOU READ THAT RIGHT) I haven't seen you suggest that the board looks to have served a specific agenda based on any of the moderation I fore-filled during those years. At the start their were numerous mods "cleaning up".

And again, with no moderation whatsoever by others (apart from myself) since March 2012 - Where your posts have become ever more frequent would seem to suggest ever more that the moderation that has taken place has been more to your liking.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2013, 02:16 AM

Byke...FYI...I don't like want anyone to tell me what to say!

Posted by: byke 4.Mar.2013, 02:17 AM

Say that again?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2013, 02:58 AM

How did you get to be a Moderator?

And a secret one at that!

You and Rick M were recruited by a Trow type agent and sworn to secrecy?

How does that work???????????

Since 2010?

About the time I took a leave from here...what did I miss?

I still don't like anyone to say...what I can't say!

I want to be a Moderator so I can say what I want...just like the "secret" ones we have now!

Where do I sign up for such an ??? honour?

Posted by: byke 4.Mar.2013, 03:16 AM

QUOTE
I want to be a Moderator so I can say what I want...just like the "secret" ones we have now

Bitch please, when have you ever been restricted from saying anything or been modded from March 2012 until today? (Since I have been the last mod standing so to speak)

Actually I can tell you as I just looked through the bin.
No posts have been deleted that you made, apart from those relating to whole threads that have been removed. With the large majority being related to responses you have made on spam threads. As in viagra pushers etc ... So when the spam adverts have been removed, your comment relating to said threads have also gotten deleted as part of the removal.

So there you have it.
The proof is in the pudding.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2013, 04:08 AM

Pudding does not do it!

I have been suspended for posting a video that I wanted to rebut...not saying you did it...but why not answer what I asked?

How did you and others get to be secret moderators????????

If your "boss" is no longer here why can't you tell us?

If you don't want to be involved with TheLocal's police force, why can't you just come out to us...all of us...I..we(?)...think you should give an explanation, of the secrecy here.

Byke, if you want anything from this forum in so far as earned respect goes...tell us!

Posted by: byke 4.Mar.2013, 09:24 AM

I have no idea about the video ?
Can you give me some more information regarding it?
What video was it ?

Posted by: byke 4.Mar.2013, 09:28 AM

Listen,
On a serious note.

I need to thank a certain poster on the board.
I dont want to name them in fear that my even mentioning of them could could associate myself with them.

But to the person who has been helping with highlighting the spam, I appreciate it.

Thank you.

Posted by: Kn33grow 5.Mar.2013, 03:34 PM

Dont we have a couple of questions for the other identified secret mod,seeing that he is back? He started all this debate and enlightened us so maybe he can share more info than Byke could.

You know who i mean,dont you?

Posted by: byke 5.Mar.2013, 03:42 PM

Do you mean Mr Methven?
According to his profile page he hasnt been on (as in logged on) with his account since March the 2nd. (around the same time he felt the "truth" had to come out wacko.gif and subsequent screen shots were posted biggrin.gif )

 
 

Posted by: Kn33grow 5.Mar.2013, 03:47 PM

I was confusing him with another user Max Reaver,my bad.

Posted by: Max Reaver 5.Mar.2013, 04:03 PM

Ha! I began posting in this forum a week ago, and now someone miss me already tongue.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Mar.2013, 05:36 PM

We are a kind and caring group...good will and amity are a shared virtue. laugh.gif

Posted by: Hamsterdam 5.Mar.2013, 05:47 PM

To be fair, it is good news that several of you are on this site. It keeps you off decent ones where your trolling would have you removed within hours.

Gamla and Smith don't live in Sweden, Intrepid is a cheap old bloke. All are racists. Stick together guys, you have no real friends and for the time you spend on here, no real lives either.

You have to laugh laugh.gif

Me, I spend too much time on here but I don't actually care about any of it. Just like to get beneath the skins of those who deserve it.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Mar.2013, 06:03 PM

Well, as for me I like the attention...I must have the qualities you admire in a man...otherwise why "stalk" me laugh.gif

Posted by: Hamsterdam 5.Mar.2013, 07:48 PM

Don't flatter yourself Gamla, You are trolling on most threads, how can anyone miss you? rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Mar.2013, 07:56 PM

Again, I love people like you...you condemn others for the behaviour that which you so thoroughly enjoy and practice.

Don't go away...your time is not wasted here...we need the comedic values you possess. laugh.gif

Posted by: Justin O'Pinion 5.Mar.2013, 08:51 PM

Wow, I'll likely offend one side or the other of this debate, for lack of a better word. I guess I'm contributing to it as well considering I've now also weighed in... but holy Santa Claus shit this thread has become utterly moronic.

I am new to the forum(s), but I can clearly see that most of you are reasonably intelligent. So what's with the constant pissing match? Byke, I don't know you from Adam but I am inclined to agree with many of your detractors. Having said that, those on the other side of the fence are no better. It rather reminds me of the drama adolescents go through.

Look how long this thread has run... it's like watching a tennis match on the tube between the two lowest ranked professional tennis players in the world. You know they know how to play the game but the match just isn't as good as it should be considering how glued you are to the t.v.

Can you all just please agree to disagree and move on?

Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Mar.2013, 09:36 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 5.Mar.2013, 07:56 PM) *
Again, I love people like you...you condemn others for the behaviour that which you so thoroughly enjoy and practice.

Don't go away...your time is not wasted here...we need the comedic values you possess. laugh.gif

The said person is a bitter twisted freak. I liked your reply as now i will not take his replies to heart. I´m just going to wind him up

Posted by: Max Reaver 5.Mar.2013, 11:10 PM

QUOTE (Justin O'Pinion @ 5.Mar.2013, 08:51 PM) *
Wow, I'll likely offend one side or the other of this debate, for lack of a better word. I guess I'm contributing to it as well considering I've now also weighed in... but holy Santa Claus shit this thread has become utterly moronic.

I am new to the forum(s), but I can clearly see that most of you are reasonably intelligent. So what's with the constant pissing match? Byke, I don't know you from Adam but I am inclined to agree with many of your detractors. Having said that, those on the other side of the fence are no better. It rather reminds me of the drama adolescents go through.

Look how long this thread has run... it's like watching a tennis match on the tube between the two lowest ranked professional tennis players in the world. You know they know how to play the game but the match just isn't as good as it should be considering how glued you are to the t.v.

Can you all just please agree to disagree and move on?

Yep, you are right. This is the place where anybody could be moronic for once... Just like when you are watching Melodifestivalen at a bar.

I'm new to this forum too. This thread is by far the most unintelligent. I for one would like to discuss and exchange creative ideas on how you solve the social problems of Sweden. Sadly, such opportunities are rare. unsure.gif

Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Mar.2013, 11:24 PM

I agree with you Max and i have supported your posts before but when you get idiots and there are many especially my mate Hamsterdam you will get this crap. Ps i also write crap after a few pints but some people are just pathetic eller hur H...dam

Posted by: John.Smith 6.Mar.2013, 07:28 AM

So what is the outcome here then?

1. Byke will continue with his education of the masses agenda by flooding the forum with slanted content (by his own admission)
2. Rick Methven basically pissed into the tent and ran off.
3. The usual shit-stirrers on the board came in and tried their best to distort a logical discussion into a shit-trowing match
4. ... and I am now 90% I know who the other secret mod is. wink.gif (your secret is safe with me)

In summary, the board got a little bit more exciting. Byke will now be a target for trolls with a gripe (now that they know he is a mod), and people will be left wondering who the secret mod is and accusing each other when they get roiled up in their usual arguments about SD, Islam, guns and Left wing and Right Wing politics etc...

Posted by: John.Smith 6.Mar.2013, 07:30 AM

QUOTE (Hamsterdam @ 5.Mar.2013, 05:47 PM) *
... Smith don't live in Sweden, ... All are racists.

Not true and incorrect as usual...

Nice try though wink.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 6.Mar.2013, 07:41 AM

The outcome is there is no outcome...as usual ohmy.gif

Posted by: mångk 6.Mar.2013, 09:47 AM

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 6.Mar.2013, 07:28 AM) *
So what is the outcome here then?

1. Byke will continue with his education of the masses agenda by flooding the forum with slanted content (by his own admission)
2. Rick Methven basically pissed into the tent and ran off.
3. The usual shit-stirrers on the board came in and tried their best to distort a logical discussion into a shit-trowing match
4. ... and I am now 90% I know who the other secret mod is. wink.gif (your secret is safe with me)

In summary, the board got a little bit more exciting. Byke will now be a target for trolls with a gripe (now that they know he is a mod), and people will be left wondering who the secret mod is and accusing each other when they get roiled up in their usual arguments about SD, Islam, guns and Left wing and Right Wing politics etc...

I haven't been here for a number of days, so haven't caught up with this thread yet.

But I would agree with point 1. Point 2 is unknown and well who knows perhaps Byke has 'suspended' Rick given that he has misused his 'powers' in that manner before.

Is there another secret mod??? wacko.gif

Posted by: byke 6.Mar.2013, 10:07 AM

QUOTE (John.Smith @ 6.Mar.2013, 07:28 AM) *
So what is the outcome here then?

1. Byke will continue with his education of the masses agenda by flooding the forum with slanted content (by his own admission)
2. Rick Methven basically pissed into the tent and ran off.
3. The usual shit-stirrers on the board came in and tried their best to distort a logical discussion into a shit-trowing match
4. ... and I am now 90% I know who the other secret mod is. wink.gif (your secret is safe with me)

In summary, the board got a little bit more exciting. Byke will now be a target for trolls with a gripe (now that they know he is a mod), and people will be left wondering who the secret mod is and accusing each other when they get roiled up in their usual arguments about SD, Islam, guns and Left wing and Right Wing politics etc...

1. byke will continue to post or refer to stories from the national press which catch his attention.
2. Rick Methven will be back, he needs TL ... past behaviour shows he cant stay away.
3. yes (Funilly enough, a large group of those happen to be native swedes ... who would have thought)
4. Congratulation wink.gif

BTW - I am also going to relabel my status as not mod, but the spaminator. biggrin.gif

Posted by: byke 6.Mar.2013, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (mångk @ 6.Mar.2013, 09:47 AM) *
But I would agree with point 1. Point 2 is unknown and well who knows perhaps Byke has 'suspended' Rick given that he has misused his 'powers' in that manner before.

Is there another secret mod??? wacko.gif

I know of no actions that have suspended Rick as claims.
And any person who makes such wild claims clearly has no idea of what they are talking about.

Unless mångk is a new secret mod?

Posted by: John.Smith 6.Mar.2013, 10:25 AM

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 10:07 AM) *
1. byke will continue to post or refer to stories from the national press which catch his attention.

...with a slant wink.gif

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 10:07 AM) *
2. Rick Methven will be back, he needs TL ... past behaviour shows he cant stay away.

True... he is having on of his hissy-fits. When the sulking ends he will be back.

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 10:07 AM) *
3. yes (Funilly enough, a large group of those happen to be native swedes ... who would have thought)

biggrin.gif Enough said!

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 10:07 AM) *
BTW - I am also going to relabel my status as not mod, but the spaminator. [img]http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif[/img]

If the Terminator 'terminates'... what does the Spaminator do? cool.gif

Alls well that ends well I guess.

There is also a very simple way for you to confirm who the secret mod is by the way. With your moderator/spaminator role you can find out with a few simple clicks and about 5 minutes of analysis.

Posted by: John.Smith 6.Mar.2013, 10:27 AM

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 10:08 AM) *
I know of no actions that have suspended Rick as claims.
And any person who makes such wild claims clearly has no idea of what they are talking about.

Unless mångk is a new secret mod?

Maybe Rick suspended himself? After all he must have broken the rules outing you from the closet?

Posted by: byke 6.Mar.2013, 10:38 AM

He doesnt have the power any more HA HA HA HA HA.
And if I was truly mean, wouldn't I get more personal satisfaction by chastising him? laugh.gif

Seriously though, I havent gone near his account.
And I have no information or even indication that anyone else has either.

Posted by: mångk 6.Mar.2013, 11:18 AM

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 10:08 AM) *
Unless mångk is a new secret mod?

Not at all and you know it! Plus read the posts by Johnno, Skogs and others on how a real moderator should behave!

If there is another 'secret moderator' you know exactly who it is. But as per usual you resort to deflection and disinformation to promote your 'agenda'.

I cannot believe your conduct as moderator. Particularly given the number of threads that have disappeared since you claim being the 'only' moderator left, given that you profess to only remove spam threads whilst gloating about spamming the discussion board with cut and past links to try and support your agenda- an agenda which breaches the t&c's more than many reasonable threads that have disappeared during the time you have been a 'secret moderator'.

You should resign as a moderator and see to it that you have no further access to the tools and thread available to them.

Posted by: byke 6.Mar.2013, 11:58 AM

Hold on first you telling us that your not a secret mod, and now your claiming a number of threads have disappeared?

What do you know that we dont know?

Come on, out with it.
You either have insider proof or your reply is laced with ikea tart ingredients.

What is it?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 6.Mar.2013, 02:49 PM

It seems we have spiraled downward into the hell of "Moderational Bykeism"!

Alas...We are doomed! laugh.gif

Posted by: mångk 6.Mar.2013, 03:52 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 11:58 AM) *
Hold on first you telling us that your not a secret mod, and now your claiming a number of threads have disappeared?

What do you know that we dont know?

Come on, out with it.
You either have insider proof or your reply is laced with ikea tart ingredients.

What is it?

Yes there have been threads that have disappeared, and there are a number of posters that have been involved in posts where threads have disappeared after you became the sole moderator.

One particular thread there was never a explanation provided and the thread started about the thread that vanished went in the same direction! Both of those threads were more within the T&C's than a lot of your bile!

Posted by: byke 6.Mar.2013, 04:02 PM

Again,
Are you a secret mod with information we are not savvy too?
Or simply more BS ?

You have made an accusation, stating a mysterious thread was removed?
That you also claim was within the T&C.

Yet you haven't mentioned, what thread or what it contained or any other information concerning it?
Either you are deliberately hiding something by withholding such information.

Or its more bullshit

Or you have access to information that I have no idea about? (secret mod?)

So come on, speak up.
I think we are all interested in this claim ...

Posted by: mångk 6.Mar.2013, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 04:02 PM) *
Again,
Are you a secret mod with information we are not savvy too?

Again you know that I am not!

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 04:02 PM) *
Or simply more BS ?

That is your department!

QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 04:02 PM) *
You have made an accusation, stating a mysterious thread was removed?
That you also claim was within the T&C.

No, a thread was started, the thread disappeared, at the time you (and according to you) were the only moderator, you are claiming that no threads have been removed except for spam with the exception of the spam you start. There was a thread started about the disappearance of that thread. That thread was removed as well. The thread had a large degree of relevance to Swedish society and culture and the subject is often the basis of The Local's news articles.
QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 04:02 PM) *
Yet you haven't mentioned, what thread or what it contained or any other information concerning it?
Either you are deliberately hiding something by withholding such information.

You are the moderator, surely you are the one that would have such evidence!

You claim to have never deleted a thread that was not spam prove it, provide the entirety of your deleted threads and prove that you cannot delete threads from that bin.

You have absolutely no integrity and have proved such with your conduct. You cannot be trusted and you are a hypocrite!
QUOTE (byke @ 6.Mar.2013, 04:02 PM) *
Or its more bullshit

That is your area of expertise! Shall we go back through the vast array of claims you have made in posts and/or threads?

OR have you been busy, deleting threads that categorically show what you are????

Posted by: byke 6.Mar.2013, 05:15 PM

Either your leading me on a wild goose chase
or your being specifically coy in your description.

The only thread I can remember relating to Sweden and culture is the following
(and its never been deleted) :

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=26066

Edit : I have also deleted the 3 "bumps" you have made on other threads.
The threads have not been deleted, but if you want to re-publicize an old thread please at least add some sort of contribution to it. instead of just bumping old threads for the sake of it.

Posted by: Johno 6.Mar.2013, 05:44 PM

As the expert on all things Local, tell us why are there 4 old threads apparently resurrected by rosewinslet410 where nothing shows as being added ?

Posted by: byke 6.Mar.2013, 05:50 PM

They were bumped with spam.
When said spam was deleted they still show the thread as bumped.

There is nothing I can do about that it, its how the system works and I have no other tools to restrict or modify it.

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