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Posted by: parfume1 8.Jun.2018, 08:07 PM

Hello everyone!

I guess I just need to vent. I have read this forum for a while and I can relate to what people write here. I guess it feels good not being the only one having these ''strange'' feelings.

I have lived in Sweden for the past 5 years. I'm a native Swedish speaker from Finland. I moved here to study since there are more oppirtunities for Swedish speakers compared to Finland. I made a few friends when I was studying and all was good. I haven't found a man to settle down with yet. The men I have dated have been cheap, emotionally unavailable and generally boring. I graduated from Uni and got a job. I have noticed that Swedes are very quick to stab you in the back if they feel threatened. They will go to your boss and say this person doesn't do this or that if they don't like you. And they will smile to your face and the next minute talk behind your back.

My uni ''friends'' became sambo's and now you are no longer needed so I feel kind of lonely these days. I noticed whenever I travel I feel alive, there are people who talk and smile to you. Not like here where people give you stares. The staring is so annoying. I feel like it's time to move away so I can live again. Am looking for jobs abroad. There was my rant.

Posted by: vosovicd 8.Jun.2018, 09:08 PM

Awww...everyone goes through ups and downs. If you are keen on making new friends have you tried the events on MeetUp? It's an app/website thats very good for making friends. Heck, there are even Swedes on it.

Posted by: Svedallas 8.Jun.2018, 10:01 PM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 8.Jun.2018, 09:07 PM) *
Hello everyone!

I guess I just need to vent. I have read this forum for a while and I can relate to what people write here. I guess it feels good not being the only one having these ''strange'' feelings.

I have lived in Sweden for the past 5 years. I'm a native Swedish speaker from Finland. I moved here to study since there are more oppirtunities for Swedish speakers compared to Finland. I made a few friends when I was studying and all was good. I haven't found a man to settle down with yet. The men I have dated have been cheap, emotionally unavailable and generally boring. I graduated from Uni and got a job. I have noticed that Swedes are very quick to stab you in the back if they feel threatened. They will go to your boss and say this person doesn't do this or that if they don't like you. And they will smile to your face and the next minute talk behind your back.

My uni ''friends'' became sambo's and now you are no longer needed so I feel kind of lonely these days. I noticed whenever I travel I feel alive, there are people who talk and smile to you. Not like here where people give you stares. The staring is so annoying. I feel like it's time to move away so I can live again. Am looking for jobs abroad. There was my rant.


It takes around average 4-5 years for people to get tired of Sweden.
I have met many expats, many last maximum 6. And they move on to France, Germany, Italy and Portugal.

If you have not made a social circle, have a partner, have a child. You have to question whether it is worth to continue on...

You should travel. See the world. Sweden, is not for everyone. Especially if you dont have a circle around you.

Posted by: Bsmith 8.Jun.2018, 11:37 PM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 8.Jun.2018, 07:07 PM) *
I feel like it's time to move away so I can live again. Am looking for jobs abroad. There was my rant.


And there you have it. Good luck on your travels!

Posted by: Cheeseroller 9.Jun.2018, 06:06 AM

Interesting handle. I am not sure if you are planning to murder and skin Swedes to create a new scent, or want to explore your senses :-)

At your age, I wish I had travelled more and not settled down. Not least because you change and define yourself in your 20's and it is not unusual for couple to grow apart.

My oldest son has backpacked in China, Vietnam and later this year through the Indonesia islands. There are such opportunities these days!

And as you have already discovered, people in other countries know how to live, rather than exist, and this shows on their faces and their friendliness to strangers.

I am fortunate that through my wife's business, I have had the chance to travel much more the past 10 years and meet wonderful people, seen beautiful cities and nature, eaten different foods and discovered a warmth and humour that connects us all.

What you will probably find if you move to another country are new irritations. But from my own limited experience these are limited to government bureaucracy, or the occasional idiot. Things that you can laugh about later when you have a close group of friends, who have all had the same experience.

And that really is the crux, having friends who you can laugh with, provide support, share memories with, and who pop round for a coffee or invite you for a meal or a drink, spontaneously, to share time with you. Rather than booking an appointment 3 weeks in advance for stale conversation.

And you are right, my experience was also that Swedes are mean, by any definition that is understood outside of Sweden. I remember when my ex-Sambo bought me a pot plant from the petrol station on her way home from work for my birthday present! Still, I should be grateful to her that eventually she motivated me to create a new life, one that I am really enjoying free of her and Sweden! biggrin.gif

Posted by: parfume1 9.Jun.2018, 10:41 AM

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I am fortunate that through my wife's business, I have had the chance to travel much more the past 10 years and meet wonderful people, seen beautiful cities and nature, eaten different foods and discovered a warmth and humour that connects us all.

What you will probably find if you move to another country are new irritations. But from my own limited experience these are limited to government bureaucracy, or the occasional idiot. Things that you can laugh about later when you have a close group of friends, who have all had the same experience.

And that really is the crux, having friends who you can laugh with, provide support, share memories with, and who pop round for a coffee or invite you for a meal or a drink, spontaneously, to share time with you. Rather than booking an appointment 3 weeks in advance for stale conversation.

And you are right, my experience was also that Swedes are mean, by any definition that is understood outside of Sweden. I remember when my ex-Sambo bought me a pot plant from the petrol station on her way home from work for my birthday present! Still, I should be grateful to her that eventually she motivated me to create a new life, one that I am really enjoying free of her and Sweden! biggrin.gif


Haha yeah the booking everything in advance is real boring. People would rather stare at their computer screen rather than interact with people, I heard from some people I know in Malta which has a lot of Swedish expats that they are exactly the same there. In the lunch room people will be talking to each other while the swede stares at their phone with their head phones in their ears.

You are lucky you managed to move away not many people have that oppurtunity with family involved and before you know it you turn into a swede who avoids social interaction has an empty look in their eyes and doesn’t know how to live...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 11.Jun.2018, 09:59 PM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 8.Jun.2018, 09:07 PM) *
I have noticed that Swedes are very quick to stab you in the back if they feel threatened. They will go to your boss and say this person doesn't do this or that if they don't like you. And they will smile to your face and the next minute talk behind your back.


I thought I was the only one who noticed it.

They are polite 90% of the time. But when they feel you are a contender or work faster than them or simply you don't behave like them. They do just what you are explaining.

Most of my problems at work is because of false rumors about me. Or smooth backstabbing and A LOT of passive violence. They smile and behave polite face to face but then out of the blue they start saying bad things about me behind my back to my boss or other people or simply trying to put the blame on me for things that go wrong.

The problem I see is they have one face for you and another behind your back, which makes them very unreliable. It seems it's common the rumor thing behind others. It is like we are not brave enough for a face to face confrontation, then let's destroy him/her with the rumors or passive violence.

I know stuff like that happens in other countries but what I find it shocking in sweden is the silence in which it happens. Mostly I get hit and I can't see it coming.

And they love spreading rumors when the victim is not aware. It's just... The silence of how they do it.

Good to know you can see it.


QUOTE (parfume1 @ 8.Jun.2018, 09:07 PM) *
The men I have dated have been cheap, emotionally unavailable and generally boring.


Yes, they are. But I blame it to the enviroment. Cool, dark weather and people live isolated, maybe that's the reason.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 11.Jun.2018, 10:46 PM

Yes, "office politics" are/is everywhere...That is why it is so important to fit in and understand your surroundings...

Male/Female likes and dislikes are just that, however, there is a person out there that will be just what you want, it takes time to find him/her...it's the same in all countries...

Posted by: parfume1 13.Jun.2018, 08:51 PM

Yes, they are. But I blame it to the enviroment. Cool, dark weather and people live isolated, maybe that's the reason.
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Weirdly people in Siberia and Canada are not as cold and awkward not even Finns and Norwegians are like Swedes. I don't know what it is with Swedes but something is not right for sure!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 13.Jun.2018, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 13.Jun.2018, 09:51 PM) *
Yes, they are. But I blame it to the enviroment. Cool, dark weather and people live isolated, maybe that's the reason.



Weirdly people in Siberia and Canada are not as cold and awkward not even Finns and Norwegians are like Swedes. I don't know what it is with Swedes but something is not right for sure!



Good point!.

It's interesting how a country like sweden constantly putting itself at the top of everything and everyone else and then when you do a quick search you hear all over the internet the same complaints about sweden.

Your post is the standard complain about sweden from people who had lived and worked here for more than 1 year.

And I think at work it makes things harder if you are open, spontaneous and lively. Or simply if you work harder and show more interest in improving in your work... these things that swedes don't like it.
It seems spreading rumors about others is their way they get people out of their way, So you will get your image destroy. It's shocking the silence in which they do it.



Sent you a PM.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 13.Jun.2018, 10:33 PM

Aaahhhh, the joys of culture shock!!!

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 13.Jun.2018, 11:28 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 13.Jun.2018, 11:33 PM) *
Aaahhhh, the joys of culture shock!!!


If I have a problem then I am the cause, if a migrant has a ppwith all his coworkers then they are the problem.

Posted by: Svedallas 14.Jun.2018, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 11.Jun.2018, 10:59 PM) *
I thought I was the only one who noticed it.

They are polite 90% of the time. But when they feel you are a contender or work faster than them or simply you don't behave like them. They do just what you are explaining.

Most of my problems at work is because of false rumors about me. Or smooth backstabbing and A LOT of passive violence. They smile and behave polite face to face but then out of the blue they start saying bad things about me behind my back to my boss or other people or simply trying to put the blame on me for things that go wrong.

The problem I see is they have one face for you and another behind your back, which makes them very unreliable. It seems it's common the rumor thing behind others. It is like we are not brave enough for a face to face confrontation, then let's destroy him/her with the rumors or passive violence.

I know stuff like that happens in other countries but what I find it shocking in sweden is the silence in which it happens. Mostly I get hit and I can't see it coming.

And they love spreading rumors when the victim is not aware. It's just... The silence of how they do it.

Good to know you can see it.




Yes, they are. But I blame it to the enviroment. Cool, dark weather and people live isolated, maybe that's the reason.


This must be your first job.
Find a company anywhere in the world with no politics.

Your post also sounds like you are young and immature. Truth be told.
Gossip/backstabbing, that is for kids.

Posted by: SmokerT69 14.Jun.2018, 09:30 AM

"Culture shock" lmao.

So basically you're saying we're right in assuming that Swedes are cold, distant, miserable people. And it's our fault for not understanding that's just how you are. What a backwards way of living.

You brought up these same points in my thread about laughing. Apparently laughing and being happy goes against the social norm according to you guys. Then you'll stick to your guns and say that doesn't make you miserable. Lol

As for the other posts. I'm married to a Swede and can confirm what you just said. As soon as my wife, her mum and her brothers wife get home from work. They all call each other for 1-3 hours almost every day and just bitch about their Co workers and what they did wrong. Talk about rumors about how one guy is cheating on his wife and so on. It's like high school drama lol. My wife tried talking to me about her Co workers once and I simply replied, "go tell them to get their shit together then". To which she replied she couldn't rock the boat or something along those lines.

Recently my wife called for a meeting at work with the boss to settle some schedule issues and now there are rumors going around about her. How's shes the boss pet and trying to get people fired. At least that's what a friend of mine who works with them told me.

The Swedish workplace seems incredibly hostile. In every workplace I've been, from the army to warehouse, to grocery stores. I haven't got along with all my Co workers and disliked a bunch of them. We would all still go grab beers after work or hang out occasionally. When it was a holiday, if someone was having a get together, it was just assumed that everyone from work would show up. Even though we didn't like each other, we didn't go around spreading rumors and trying to backstab each other.

The longer you spend in Sweden,the stranger it gets lol. Don't get me wrong, it's still a great place to live. Everything is so cheap and you can live off hardly any money. The cold weather is a plus as well. Coming from the hot, humid Caribbean, Swedish winters are a blessing. I guess you just have to look for the positives if you want to enjoy living here. For me, it's cold air and really cheap beer lol. I mean, beer is like 1$ US for some brands? Going from paying 65-70$ a case to that price is enough to keep me happy hahaha

Posted by: Svedallas 14.Jun.2018, 10:55 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 14.Jun.2018, 10:30 AM) *
"Culture shock" lmao.

So basically you're saying we're right in assuming that Swedes are cold, distant, miserable people. And it's our fault for not understanding that's just how you are. What a backwards way of living.

You brought up these same points in my thread about laughing. Apparently laughing and being happy goes against the social norm according to you guys. Then you'll stick to your guns and say that doesn't make you miserable. Lol

As for the other posts. I'm married to a Swede and can confirm what you just said. As soon as my wife, her mum and her brothers wife get home from work. They all call each other for 1-3 hours almost every day and just bitch about their Co workers and what they did wrong. Talk about rumors about how one guy is cheating on his wife and so on. It's like high school drama lol. My wife tried talking to me about her Co workers once and I simply replied, "go tell them to get their shit together then". To which she replied she couldn't rock the boat or something along those lines.

Recently my wife called for a meeting at work with the boss to settle some schedule issues and now there are rumors going around about her. How's shes the boss pet and trying to get people fired. At least that's what a friend of mine who works with them told me.

The Swedish workplace seems incredibly hostile. In every workplace I've been, from the army to warehouse, to grocery stores. I haven't got along with all my Co workers and disliked a bunch of them. We would all still go grab beers after work or hang out occasionally. When it was a holiday, if someone was having a get together, it was just assumed that everyone from work would show up. Even though we didn't like each other, we didn't go around spreading rumors and trying to backstab each other.

The longer you spend in Sweden,the stranger it gets lol. Don't get me wrong, it's still a great place to live. Everything is so cheap and you can live off hardly any money. The cold weather is a plus as well. Coming from the hot, humid Caribbean, Swedish winters are a blessing. I guess you just have to look for the positives if you want to enjoy living here. For me, it's cold air and really cheap beer lol. I mean, beer is like 1$ US for some brands? Going from paying 65-70$ a case to that price is enough to keep me happy hahaha


+1

Swedes also complain about other Swedes.
And I am pretty sure, Italians complain about other Italians...

Posted by: Bsmith 14.Jun.2018, 10:59 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 14.Jun.2018, 09:30 AM) *
it's still a great place to live. Everything is so cheap and you can live off hardly any money. The cold weather is a plus as well. Coming from the hot, humid Caribbean, Swedish winters are a blessing. I guess you just have to look for the positives if you want to enjoy living here. For me, it's cold air and really cheap beer lol. I mean, beer is like 1$ US for some brands? Going from paying 65-70$ a case to that price is enough to keep me happy hahaha



Like anyplace, you have to look for the good and see if it outweighs the bad.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 14.Jun.2018, 12:05 PM

Swedish culture is what it is, no amounts of venting here will change anything...

Accept what you don't understand and realize that you cannot bring your cultural way of life to other places...People live their way, not yours...

Posted by: SmokerT69 14.Jun.2018, 01:56 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 14.Jun.2018, 01:05 PM) *
Swedish culture is what it is, no amounts of venting here will change anything...

Accept what you don't understand and realize that you cannot bring your cultural way of life to other places...People live their way, not yours...


Fair enough. In Rome you do as the Romans do. That doesn't mean it's always right. Look at the Arab culture and how they treat women. It may be their culture, doesn't mean we have to agree with it.

Just for giggles, according to a certain Swedish politician, there is no such thing as Swedish culture. It doesn't exist.

And ofc, this image of a conference held by the social democrats sshould tell you something...

https://imgur.com/a/1uQv0Pd

Posted by: Gjeebes 14.Jun.2018, 03:38 PM

Love the presentation pick.

1) Immigration is nothing new.

2) We are all a consequence of immigration.

3) There is no native Swedish culture.

You just can't get anymore Swedish than that.

Simply WOW!

Woof!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 14.Jun.2018, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 14.Jun.2018, 09:08 AM) *
This must be your first job.
Find a company anywhere in the world with no politics.

Your post also sounds like you are young and immature. Truth be told.
Gossip/backstabbing, that is for kids.


Your post strengthen my point about everything I said about sweden.

- Arrogance.
- Passive aggressiveness.
- Rumors and trying to damage other people's image.
- We know better than you.

Then you must be the typical guy who goes to Spain to enjoy the weather and the life there...



Keep trying, your desperation amuses me.

Posted by: Svedallas 14.Jun.2018, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 14.Jun.2018, 04:57 PM) *
Your post strengthen my point about everything I said about sweden.

- Arrogance.
- Passive aggressiveness.
- Rumors and trying to damage other people's image.
- We know better than you.

Then you must be the typical guy who goes to Spain to enjoy the weather and the life there...



Keep trying, your desperation amuses me.


Low self esteem much?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 14.Jun.2018, 05:00 PM

All this is about a liking or disliking of the place you came to, assuming your last place did not suit you either...

So what to do???

Apparently, the answer is to keep searching for a place you like...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 14.Jun.2018, 05:15 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 14.Jun.2018, 06:00 PM) *
Low self esteem much?


Projecting your own frustrations?. rolleyes.gif

As I said you amuse me.

And every comment of yours strengthen my point about your country. Your comments are clear representation of the passive aggressiveness in sweden.

Keep it up, you are making me stronger.

Posted by: Svedallas 14.Jun.2018, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 14.Jun.2018, 06:15 PM) *
Projecting your own frustrations?. rolleyes.gif

As I said you amuse me.

And every comment of yours strengthen my point about your country. Your comments are clear representation of the passive aggressiveness in sweden.

Keep it up, you are making me stronger.


i feel sorry for you...Whatever makes you feel better.
Address your self esteem issues...good luck!

Posted by: Apache001 14.Jun.2018, 06:33 PM

Referring to the backstabbing.

It’s the reason Swedes are very evasive and closed off, they are aware themselves what they are capable of doing to other people, so they are scared of people doing those things to them.
That’s why it’s hard to get to know them because of their backstabbing culture, the less Swedes know about themselves the safer they feel. So they use all materials available to them to find out all the life of their neighbors and gather enough intel up to how much the neighbor earns.

The only advice I can give to any immigrants here is learn how they behave and engage them like they engage themselves. It’s an eye for an eye culture, you need social brute force to survive here with almost zero sense of humanity.

Always have plan B,C,D when you are dealing with Swedes, and remember most times how they treat you as an immigrant is quite different how they treat an ethnic Swede who understands the drill. Don’t ever fall for the fake smiley and nicety because behind those smileys lay the inhumane dexterity of throwing you under the bus.

A country where businesses act like spoilt brats who don’t need customers because “uncle Sven” would always bail them out. Customer care don’t even have the patience to stay on the phone with a customer for more than 2mins to address some of your queries before you hear okej Hej hejdå.

I guess that’s the Swedish culture we need to adapt to...smh

Posted by: Am89 14.Jun.2018, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 14.Jun.2018, 07:33 PM) *
Referring to the backstabbing.

It’s the reason Swedes are very evasive and closed off, they are aware themselves what they are capable of doing to other people, so they are scared of people doing those things to them.
That’s why it’s hard to get to know them because of their backstabbing culture, the less Swedes know about themselves the safer they feel. So they use all materials available to them to find out all the life of their neighbors and gather enough intel up to how much the neighbor earns.

The only advice I can give to any immigrants here is learn how they behave and engage them like they engage themselves. It’s an eye for an eye culture, you need social brute force to survive here with almost zero sense of humanity.

Always have plan B,C,D when you are dealing with Swedes, and remember most times how they treat you as an immigrant is quite different how they treat an ethnic Swede who understands the drill. Don’t ever fall for the fake smiley and nicety because behind those smileys lay the inhumane dexterity of throwing you under the bus.

A country where businesses act like spoilt brats who don’t need customers because “uncle Sven” would always bail them out. Customer care don’t even have the patience to stay on the phone with a customer for more than 2mins to address some of your queries before you hear okej Hej hejdå.

I guess that’s the Swedish culture we need to adapt to...smh


I totally agree with you. They are passive aggressive racists and backstabbers.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 14.Jun.2018, 07:37 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 14.Jun.2018, 07:30 PM) *
i feel sorry for you...Whatever makes you feel better.
Address your self esteem issues...good luck!



For every comment like that you keep ashaming yourself and your country. You are falling lower and lower in your poor arguments.

You lost from the first comment you made. Don't make it worse.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 14.Jun.2018, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 14.Jun.2018, 07:33 PM) *
Referring to the backstabbing.

It’s the reason Swedes are very evasive and closed off, they are aware themselves what they are capable of doing to other people, so they are scared of people doing those things to them.
That’s why it’s hard to get to know them because of their backstabbing culture, the less Swedes know about themselves the safer they feel. So they use all materials available to them to find out all the life of their neighbors and gather enough intel up to how much the neighbor earns.

The only advice I can give to any immigrants here is learn how they behave and engage them like they engage themselves. It’s an eye for an eye culture, you need social brute force to survive here with almost zero sense of humanity.

Always have plan B,C,D when you are dealing with Swedes, and remember most times how they treat you as an immigrant is quite different how they treat an ethnic Swede who understands the drill. Don’t ever fall for the fake smiley and nicety because behind those smileys lay the inhumane dexterity of throwing you under the bus.

A country where businesses act like spoilt brats who don’t need customers because “uncle Sven” would always bail them out. Customer care don’t even have the patience to stay on the phone with a customer for more than 2mins to address some of your queries before you hear okej Hej hejdå.

I guess that’s the Swedish culture we need to adapt to...smh


The most striking thing is, if you check other forums about other countries, you will never see so many people complaining about the same subjects as it is about sweden.

You are saying that swedes are prone to all these things that you describe, but then you check this forum and you will find dozens of posts from people complaining about the same thing!!. Are all these people crazy and with low self esteem?. I doubt it!!.

The question is, how a country that is constantly putting itself as top at everything they do and they are so hated by many migrants?!.

In Spain, France, Italy, the UK, Germany, Ireland ... pick any other country and you will never find so much hatred about them.

But then about sweden I hear over and over the same complaints. About the double standards, about the passive xenophobia, the passive aggressive behavior, about the tendency to backstab and spread rumors, about the cold and distant behavior, the fakeness and so on.

So that's the part that amazes me the most about it. Many get sick of sweden and the complaints are always pointing out about the same issues. But yet swedes seem to ignore them.

The OP is Finnish! and he complains about the same thing!!. And he is nordic!!.

So there is something terribly wrong about sweden, specially in their behavior and the way the treat other cultures and the way they compare themselves with others.

Posted by: Svedallas 14.Jun.2018, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 14.Jun.2018, 08:37 PM) *
For every comment like that you keep ashaming yourself and your country. You are falling lower and lower in your poor arguments.

You lost from the first comment you made. Don't make it worse.


laugh.gif laugh.gif

Really. Good luck! You sound like you need it.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 14.Jun.2018, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 14.Jun.2018, 09:06 PM) *
laugh.gif laugh.gif

Really. Good luck! You sound like you need it.



You need psychological help, for real. Never seen a man ashaming himself so much. I guess mental health is an issue in sweden...

You are making my point stronger for every comment of yours.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 14.Jun.2018, 08:56 PM

It's nice to see so many people, who agree with this thread, I'm sure it makes your life easier...

Or does it???

Posted by: parfume1 14.Jun.2018, 10:28 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 14.Jun.2018, 08:52 PM) *
The most striking thing is, if you check other forums about other countries, you will never see so many people complaining about the same subjects as it is about sweden.

You are saying that swedes are prone to all these things that you describe, but then you check this forum and you will find dozens of posts from people complaining about the same thing!!. Are all these people crazy and with low self esteem?. I doubt it!!.

The question is, how a country that is constantly putting itself as top at everything they do and they are so hated by many migrants?!.

In Spain, France, Italy, the UK, Germany, Ireland ... pick any other country and you will never find so much hatred about them.

But then about sweden I hear over and over the same complaints. About the double standards, about the passive xenophobia, the passive aggressive behavior, about the tendency to backstab and spread rumors, about the cold and distant behavior, the fakeness and so on.

So that's the part that amazes me the most about it. Many get sick of sweden and the complaints are always pointing out about the same issues. But yet swedes seem to ignore them.

The OP is Finnish! and he complains about the same thing!!. And he is nordic!!.

So there is something terribly wrong about sweden, specially in their behavior and the way the treat other cultures and the way they compare themselves with others.



Yes you are right. I actually checked other expat forums and most questions were about bureaucracy and visas not people wondering why people in that country behave in such a way and I checked both rich and poor countries. That just shows how alien Swedes are compared to everyone else.

This forum is very good for people wanting to move here falling for all the hype. It's a good country for parents because they don't have to work I mean most parents to young kids take out countless VAB days and föräldraledig days. That's the praise you here about the country not that they are friendly, outgoing and cultured. And like someone else pointed out it's good to be wary of Swedes who are overly friendly to you that means they want something from you! That is something many expats will discover. Interesting to see how many people point out the same things week after week and the pro Swedes think we are ungrateful whingers!

Posted by: Bsmith 14.Jun.2018, 10:46 PM

If Sweden is so bad, why are there so many people trying to move there? Is is just the freebies?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 15.Jun.2018, 12:38 AM

You must mean the cheap, good for nothing things, like a free education...Don't you???

Posted by: SmokerT69 15.Jun.2018, 01:04 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 14.Jun.2018, 11:46 PM) *
If Sweden is so bad, why are there so many people trying to move there? Is is just the freebies?


Well, in my case it was because my wife wanted our kids to grow up around her family. It's her mum's first grandchildren. Her entire family lives in our general area. My family is spread all over the world as we're British, Astralian, Kiwis, Canadian and Bermudian. So they just visit us here during holidays. It's not like we left the beautiful, tropical paradise of Bermuda with its pink sand beaches because it was a horrible place to live lol.

And what freebies are you speaking of? As far as I know, if EU citizens try to claim any kind of benifits we get deported? At least that's what I've been led to believe. I've been here for over a year and haven't taken a dime from anyone. Aren't benifits only for Swedes and illegal economic migrants, oh crap, I mean "refugees".

Posted by: Bsmith 15.Jun.2018, 03:47 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 15.Jun.2018, 12:04 AM) *
Aren't benifits only for Swedes and illegal economic migrants, oh crap, I mean "refugees".


You mean gimmegrants...

Posted by: Svedallas 15.Jun.2018, 08:41 AM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 15.Jun.2018, 02:04 AM) *
Well, in my case it was because my wife wanted our kids to grow up around her family. It's her mum's first grandchildren. Her entire family lives in our general area. My family is spread all over the world as we're British, Astralian, Kiwis, Canadian and Bermudian. So they just visit us here during holidays. It's not like we left the beautiful, tropical paradise of Bermuda with its pink sand beaches because it was a horrible place to live lol.

And what freebies are you speaking of? As far as I know, if EU citizens try to claim any kind of benifits we get deported? At least that's what I've been led to believe. I've been here for over a year and haven't taken a dime from anyone. Aren't benifits only for Swedes and illegal economic migrants, oh crap, I mean "refugees".


Economic migrants indeed! We're all tired of it.

This year elections will make history!

Posted by: Cheeseroller 15.Jun.2018, 09:10 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 15.Jun.2018, 09:41 AM) *
This year elections will make history!


Bit late though don't you think? The immigration tide has pretty much stopped, so what will any politician do now to improve the situation? Reduce welfare as one politician suggested? Watch the crime increase even further!

Posted by: SmokerT69 15.Jun.2018, 09:15 AM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 15.Jun.2018, 10:10 AM) *
Bit late though don't you think? The immigration tide has pretty much stopped, so what will any politician do now to improve the situation? Reduce welfare as one politician suggested? Watch the crime increase even further!


Deporting the refugees is a start. They can start with the 9000 denied refugees they just gave amnesty too.

I wouldn't say its stopped either, it might have slowed down. But didn't Sweden take almost 30,000 more refugees in the last year? It's not as bad as the years before, but that's still a lot for such a small population.

Posted by: Svedallas 15.Jun.2018, 09:37 AM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 15.Jun.2018, 10:10 AM) *
Bit late though don't you think? The immigration tide has pretty much stopped, so what will any politician do now to improve the situation? Reduce welfare as one politician suggested? Watch the crime increase even further!


Very Very late.

Welfare is one. But also, they will start kicking people out of SFI after a period of time. But once they do not have money, why don't politicians think that they will not get into crime?

Yes crime is rather confusing of lately. It is either the same gang war with the Eastern Europeans (again), immigrant vs immigrants, on that note TL did not cover the nazi that were protesting outside Tumba school - They have missed a lot of big headlines - how is that for news), and also crime between immigrants. 4 shootings in 3 weeks! Or is it more...

But I think it is not about improving situation, it is just about having a competent leader. Increase in crime, 9000 failed asylum seekers get to stay in Sweden, failed! Which ever party, everyone is pretty much tired of it. And fed up.

There are so many headlines TL is missing - I am only here for the forum. But there has been a lot of Afghans murdering Swedes in news. One who was arrested 18 times - 2 murders, and there was another Afghan who murdered a 89 year old and left her body in the garbage - I quote Aftonbladet for both stories. TL today - how to make delicious reducrrant jelly.

(The local will either use this post to publish a new headline thread, as they usually do or put a receipe up)

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 16.Jun.2018, 07:37 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 15.Jun.2018, 10:37 AM) *
Very Very late.

Welfare is one. But also, they will start kicking people out of SFI after a period of time. But once they do not have money, why don't politicians think that they will not get into crime?

Yes crime is rather confusing of lately. It is either the same gang war with the Eastern Europeans (again), immigrant vs immigrants, on that note TL did not cover the nazi that were protesting outside Tumba school - They have missed a lot of big headlines - how is that for news), and also crime between immigrants. 4 shootings in 3 weeks! Or is it more...

But I think it is not about improving situation, it is just about having a competent leader. Increase in crime, 9000 failed asylum seekers get to stay in Sweden, failed! Which ever party, everyone is pretty much tired of it. And fed up.

There are so many headlines TL is missing - I am only here for the forum. But there has been a lot of Afghans murdering Swedes in news. One who was arrested 18 times - 2 murders, and there was another Afghan who murdered a 89 year old and left her body in the garbage - I quote Aftonbladet for both stories. TL today - how to make delicious reducrrant jelly.

(The local will either use this post to publish a new headline thread, as they usually do or put a receipe up)




Well,duh... Sweden has to keep up the image, or the social democrats have to keep up the image, internally and to the international community, that all is well in sweden. Or some headline today that Sweden is the leader in using digital crap in schools. As if that matters or is even something to be proud of. "Our kids are glued to a screen more than anywhere in the world" rejoice!

Posted by: Svedallas 16.Jun.2018, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 16.Jun.2018, 08:37 AM) *
Well,duh... Sweden has to keep up the image, or the social democrats have to keep up the image, internally and to the international community, that all is well in sweden. Or some headline today that Sweden is the leader in using digital crap in schools. As if that matters or is even something to be proud of. "Our kids are glued to a screen more than anywhere in the world" rejoice!


Image for who? TL is not news.

"Can you match these Swedish landmarks?". What the hell.

News - What about the 89 year old who was murdered by an Afghan and found in the soprum?. At least Swedish actual news are doing a much better job.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 16.Jun.2018, 05:24 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 16.Jun.2018, 11:20 AM) *
Image for who? TL is not news.

"Swedenu match these Swedish landmarks?". What the hell.English, - What about the 89 year old who was murdered by an Afghan and found in the soprum?. Ast Swedish actual news are doing a much better job.


Yes, but it's a form of information for non Swedes/ English speakers, internally and externally. When a Google search is done for information on Sweden or news in sweden, in english, thelocal is one of if not the main listings.

So, yes, it is not news, but maybe this forum discusses, tries to, current news, or the "climate" of sweden.

Posted by: Svedallas 16.Jun.2018, 07:01 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 16.Jun.2018, 06:24 PM) *
Yes, but it's a form of information for non Swedes/ English speakers, internally and externally. When a Google search is done for information on Sweden or news in sweden, in english, thelocal is one of if not the main listings.

So, yes, it is not news, but maybe this forum discusses, tries to, current news, or the "climate" of sweden.


Can you imagine if the really put the real news out there.

And yes, sadly this is the first link to news about Sweden when in English. Such a shame, when it is more like daily mail or new york post type of "news"

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 16.Jun.2018, 10:52 PM

The SD will win within this or next elections. Many things are being done simply way too wrong in sweden regarding immigration and that will be translated into the votes.

I feel the people who actually want to work and pay taxes in sweden get punished while the people who come for "free money" get rewarded.

Posted by: Bsmith 16.Jun.2018, 11:00 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 16.Jun.2018, 09:52 PM) *
I feel the people who actually want to work and pay taxes in sweden get punished while the people who come for "free money" get rewarded.



Bingo! That's the problem with "progressivism", and it needs to go away before the middle class has been completely eliminated.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 16.Jun.2018, 11:08 PM

Let's see what happens to Merkle...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 16.Jun.2018, 11:10 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 17.Jun.2018, 12:00 AM) *
Bingo! That's the problem with "progressivism", and it needs to go away before the middle class has been completely eliminated.


Changes are already happening. Even the ones who are believers at the core are starting to question this crazy idea of letting everybody in without even asking if it's worthy.

I never asked for money, never. I have paid taxes since almost I arrived to sweden. I think sweden needs to open the doors to people who actively wants to work.

But sweden is bleeding out with a ton of people who are sucking money from the state and want to do little or nothing for the system. Then I guy like me is given all kind of excuses to not give me a job, even though my skills are good enough to be included in the workforce.

Posted by: john.boy 17.Jun.2018, 10:07 AM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 8.Jun.2018, 09:07 PM) *
The men I have dated have been cheap, emotionally unavailable and generally boring.

The saying You attract what you project springs to mind.

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 15.Jun.2018, 02:04 AM) *
As far as I know, if EU citizens try to claim any kind of benifits we get deported? At least that's what I've been led to believe.

If you are classed as resident then you are entitled to residence based benefits.
If you are working and taxes paid in Sweden then you are entitled to work related benefits.

Posted by: Am89 19.Jun.2018, 07:24 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 17.Jun.2018, 12:10 AM) *
Changes are already happening. Even the ones who are believers at the core are starting to question this crazy idea of letting everybody in without even asking if it's worthy.

I never asked for money, never. I have paid taxes since almost I arrived to sweden. I think sweden needs to open the doors to people who actively wants to work.

But sweden is bleeding out with a ton of people who are sucking money from the state and want to do little or nothing for the system. Then I guy like me is given all kind of excuses to not give me a job, even though my skills are good enough to be included in the workforce.


Everybody wants to work however,there is a huge discrimination in the labor market. Employers prefer to hire natives. I don't agree with you that those who come here come for social welfare (it is what I read in between your lines) or lazy or willingly avoid work. There is no god damn jobs. Most of the advertisements are not real (they just advertise for the sake of statistics or smth), arbetsförmedlingen is most of the time useless in finding a job. So please don't judge people.

Posted by: SmokerT69 19.Jun.2018, 08:25 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 19.Jun.2018, 08:24 PM) *
Everybody wants to work however,there is a huge discrimination in the labor market. Employers prefer to hire natives. I don't agree with you that those who come here come for social welfare (it is what I read in between your lines) or lazy or willingly avoid work. There is no god damn jobs. Most of the advertisements are not real (they just advertise for the sake of statistics or smth), arbetsförmedlingen is most of the time useless in finding a job. So please don't judge people.


I don't agree with that. I have a mate back home who is 27 and never had a job in his life. His mum actually asked me to get him work, which I did, part time at 20$ an hour for 2 weeks. It could of led to full time employment but he never even bothered to show up. My brother is another example, got him a job, he refused to pull his pants up. He likes wearing them down below his arse. The manager told him 5 times in 1 day, finally he got annoyed and quit.

So yea, not everyone wants to work lol. But I will agree here in Sweden, there does seem to be a major shortage of low skill jobs. ie, retail, warehouse, customer service etc. Not to mention, some people think a job pays to little or is benith them. Which I have never understood. You currently have no job but you won't take a job because it doesn't pay enough? Half a loaf of bread is better than no loaf at all.

Posted by: Am89 20.Jun.2018, 09:32 AM

But I will agree here in Sweden, there does seem to be a major shortage of low skill jobs. ie, retail, warehouse, customer service etc. Not to mention, some people think a job pays to little or is benith them. Which I have never understood. You currently have no job but you won't take a job because it doesn't pay enough? Half a loaf of bread is better than no loaf at all.
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I sincerely don't believe that majority of foreigners living in sweden would avoid working for this reason. I myself have a masters degree from a swedish university, however, after failing to find a job in my field of education I took a job in warehouse with 2 months free praktik (internship). It was 104 hours a month free work I did just to get the summer job in the warehouse. I apply to both skilled and none skilled jobs. However, trust me there is a severe discrimination in both of these markets. (Sorry for typos)

Posted by: Svedallas 20.Jun.2018, 10:35 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 19.Jun.2018, 08:24 PM) *
Everybody wants to work however,there is a huge discrimination in the labor market. Employers prefer to hire natives. I don't agree with you that those who come here come for social welfare (it is what I read in between your lines) or lazy or willingly avoid work. There is no god damn jobs. Most of the advertisements are not real (they just advertise for the sake of statistics or smth), arbetsförmedlingen is most of the time useless in finding a job. So please don't judge people.


Jobs are limited. Nothing is new.
This has been the problem for over 20 years...or as far as I can remember.

Jobs posted is the law. But these positions have mainly been covered already.

Posted by: Bsmith 20.Jun.2018, 12:12 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 20.Jun.2018, 09:35 AM) *
Jobs are limited. Nothing is new.
This has been the problem for over 20 years...or as far as I can remember.

Jobs posted is the law. But these positions have mainly been covered already.


But let's continue to bring in more immigrants to compete for the jobs that already aren't there.

Posted by: parfume1 20.Jun.2018, 01:19 PM

So off topic! This thread is about how shit Swedes are not about immigrants! I bet the refugees even think their shitty countries are better than Sweden!

Posted by: Apache001 20.Jun.2018, 02:59 PM

The job market and housing have been systematically used to disintegrate immigrants and refugees in Sweden. I don’t think the government is serious about its integration programs, and unfortunately Swedes have the selfish attitude of “I don’t give a f$ck about immigrants until I seriously need them for something so important that I can’t fix any other way”.

If you live as an immigrant in societies where the citizens are not selfish, within 6 months guys in your neighborhood would invite you out for a beach party and you are completely in with just that one invite.

From my experience living in Sweden, they are not going to invite you for a myriad of personal reasons like “how shall we behave around this immigrant that’s not from our culture, what are we going to talk about, what am I going to wear, what food will I serve him, hope he is not going to judge my not so clean apartment, oh goodness this is too stressful for me washing the toilet because of some guests, will he think I’m boring, it’s better I avoid him by peeping at the door hole before going out so I don’t run into him...it’s all in their heads. Swedes told me all these themselves.

Rather than come and get to know you with a free mind and see what happens, they become self analytical and spoil the whole vibe and idea of “getting to know you”. But can you blame them when their parents will not allow them do anything at home from birth until they move out, all they ever know is play video games and eat chips/energy drink.

Posted by: Am89 20.Jun.2018, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 20.Jun.2018, 11:35 AM) *
Jobs are limited. Nothing is new.
This has been the problem for over 20 years...or as far as I can remember.

Jobs posted is the law. But these positions have mainly been covered already.


I absolutely agree that jobs are covered way before they are posted. A friend of mine found a job announcement in arbetsförmedlingen's web page. Instead of sending cv by email he decided to go there and hand in cv personally. But to his surprise the owner of the business told him that they don't have that position open, they just posted advertisement because they have to.

Posted by: Am89 20.Jun.2018, 03:36 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 20.Jun.2018, 01:12 PM) *
But let's continue to bring in more immigrants to compete for the jobs that already aren't there.


So racist you are. There are a lot of benefits having immigrants. If immigrants would leave this country would look empty as in computer games. biggrin.gif Moreover,economy must be improved to create more jobs instead of pointing finger on immigrants for competing for jobs. Immigrants are people like you maybe some of them even can do more for this country given the chance.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 20.Jun.2018, 03:47 PM

So many complaints from people who left their own countries to come to Sweden, it makes you wonder how bad were those countries were.

The obvious answer is to go back home or go elsewhere...Isn't it???

Posted by: Cheeseroller 20.Jun.2018, 03:57 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 20.Jun.2018, 04:47 PM) *
So many complaints from people who left their own countries to come to Sweden, it makes you wonder how bad were those countries were.

The obvious answer is to go back home or go elsewhere...Isn't it???


Probably not as bad as a country where children and babies are separated at the border.

Posted by: Bsmith 20.Jun.2018, 10:46 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 20.Jun.2018, 03:36 PM) *
So racist you are. There are a lot of benefits having immigrants. If immigrants would leave this country would look empty as in computer games. biggrin.gif Moreover,economy must be improved to create more jobs instead of pointing finger on immigrants for competing for jobs. Immigrants are people like you maybe some of them even can do more for this country given the chance.


The average amount of time it takes before immigrants find work in Sweden is 7 years. Until then, they subsist on the taxpayer's dole. Some enrichment...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 20.Jun.2018, 11:14 PM

"Probably not as bad as a country where children and babies are separated at the border."

Nicely played!!!... rolleyes.gif

But not relevant...A political ploy, to achieve an end to a problem...

Wait and see...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 20.Jun.2018, 11:39 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 19.Jun.2018, 08:24 PM) *
Everybody wants to work however,there is a huge discrimination in the labor market. Employers prefer to hire natives. I don't agree with you that those who come here come for social welfare (it is what I read in between your lines) or lazy or willingly avoid work. There is no god damn jobs. Most of the advertisements are not real (they just advertise for the sake of statistics or smth), arbetsförmedlingen is most of the time useless in finding a job. So please don't judge people.


Sweden and many nordic countries are tough places for immigrants. If you speak their language chances will increase but still I see a lot of bias, because that belief that swedes are the best. That bias alone makes it harder for any immigrant even if they are educated.


QUOTE (Apache001 @ 20.Jun.2018, 03:59 PM) *
The job market and housing have been systematically used to disintegrate immigrants and refugees in Sweden. I don’t think the government is serious about its integration programs, and unfortunately Swedes have the selfish attitude of “I don’t give a f$ck about immigrants until I seriously need them for something so important that I can’t fix any other way”.

If you live as an immigrant in societies where the citizens are not selfish, within 6 months guys in your neighborhood would invite you out for a beach party and you are completely in with just that one invite.

From my experience living in Sweden, they are not going to invite you for a myriad of personal reasons like “how shall we behave around this immigrant that’s not from our culture, what are we going to talk about, what am I going to wear, what food will I serve him, hope he is not going to judge my not so clean apartment, oh goodness this is too stressful for me washing the toilet because of some guests, will he think I’m boring, it’s better I avoid him by peeping at the door hole before going out so I don’t run into him...it’s all in their heads. Swedes told me all these themselves.

Rather than come and get to know you with a free mind and see what happens, they become self analytical and spoil the whole vibe and idea of “getting to know you”. But can you blame them when their parents will not allow them do anything at home from birth until they move out, all they ever know is play video games and eat chips/energy drink.


Sweden and most scandinavian countries claim to be country of opportunities but then the reality is much different. Housing is a clear example of how difficult things can be in a country with plenty of space to build. Excuses are given but the problem will never be solved. The entire housing system is designed for buyers, while renters will live in short term second hand of 1 year of less contracts. That by itself is a way to get rid of anyone who wants to stay longer than 1 or 2 years in sweden.

The problem is many swedes think their system is the average in the rest of Europe. They think that queues to find rentals are the norm and the second hand rentals too when in reality they are the exception.

Most scandinavian countries use the same strategy. Housing shortage as a way to keep any hard competition out. Some people might survive but the vast majority will crash and leave.

But if swedes themselves don't see lack of housing rentals and second hand rentals as a problem then things will go business as usual. Because swedes play with advantage and they know who really gets affected by this false scarcity of rental housing. They know it's basic necessity and without it, anyone will be forced to leave. So guests yes but not for too long.

That's why you will see complaints day and day again about sweden. Do a search in this forum alone and you will find of plenty. Same complaints, same arguments but swedes leave the door open because they know foreigners cannot compete in equal conditions. Because no person can wait 5+ years for stable rental and swedes know it. ;-)

Sweden is doing well because they are isolated from europe and they have somehow in their own internal economy. scandinavia by itself is a self contained economic system where everything is overpriced and services are poor for the money we pay.

50 years from now there will still be queues to find rentals in sweden. It is a business model, scarcity and hiding the truth about what's actually happening is what makes swedes get away with it. See the news... there is no news about lack of rentals, nothing on svt, nothing in English that can inform people of what's actually happening. Very smart. It's the way swedes do things. They show you the cake and then you open the box and... it's empty.

People come in, they spend their money trying to survive and many will leave with less money in their pockets and frustrated with the passive aggressiveness and the passivity of this country that looks the other way and keep it silence to tackle problems like housing, because lack of housing means $$$$$$ and a way to get rid of competition.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Jun.2018, 01:41 AM

Everybody forgets that Sweden is a country made by Swedes for themselves...

Why should a country be made for peop[le who did not care enough to make their own country a decent place to live???

Sweden is for Swedes!!!

Posted by: robbie1985 21.Jun.2018, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 20.Jun.2018, 11:46 PM) *
The average amount of time it takes before immigrants find work in Sweden is 7 years.

Can you provide a source for this please? Not doubting you, just genuinely interested.

Posted by: SmokerT69 21.Jun.2018, 11:26 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 21.Jun.2018, 02:41 AM) *
Everybody forgets that Sweden is a country made by Swedes for themselves...

Why should a country be made for peop[le who did not care enough to make their own country a decent place to live???

Sweden is for Swedes!!!


Fair enough. But not all immigrants are coming from 3rd world countries. I'm moving from one of the richest countries in the World per capita, Bermuda. I think it's rated 5th world wide for GDP per capita. I'm not moving here because my home country is a shit hole. I'm moving her because I married a Swede and have been in a relationship with her for 7 years and have Swedish children. Put it this way, if I sold my family house in Bermuda, I could buy 10 plus houses here in Sweden. Average 2 bedroom house is worth about 1-1.5 million USD in Bermuda. Again, I haven't claimed any benifits and have supported myself during my entire year plus stay here in Sweden waiting on a personummer / residence permit.

I don't think pointing out that it's very difficult to move to Sweden and actually try to integrate into society should be met with such hostility.

Posted by: Bsmith 21.Jun.2018, 11:26 AM

There have been several stories in the news about this statistic, this one specifically mentions asylum seekers: https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2016/11/05/seeking-asylum-and-jobs.

So perhaps using the word "immigrant" is too general and inaccurate but I mainly want to dispute the notion that there is some great need to import massive amounts of immigrants into Sweden. There are housing shortages, a genuine lack of jobs especially of the low skilled variety and vast cultural differences facing many of these immigrants.

There have also been many reports of increasing crime, and decreasing benefits and pensions for native Swedes due to the massive influx of immigration.

Not to say all immigration is bad. A selective approach welcoming those who would have skills that Sweden needs makes sense but Sweden's policy has been far from that.

Posted by: GamlaSkogHisingHope 21.Jun.2018, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 21.Jun.2018, 11:26 AM) *
Fair enough. But not all immigrants are coming from 3rd world countries. I'm moving from one of the richest countries in the World per capita, Bermuda. I think it's rated 5th world wide for GDP per capita. I'm not moving here because my home country is a shit hole. I'm moving her because I married a Swede and have been in a relationship with her for 7 years and have Swedish children. Put it this way, if I sold my family house in Bermuda, I could buy 10 plus houses here in Sweden. Average 2 bedroom house is worth about 1-1.5 million USD in Bermuda. Again, I haven't claimed any benifits and have supported myself during my entire year plus stay here in Sweden waiting on a personummer / residence permit.

I don't think pointing out that it's very difficult to move to Sweden and actually try to integrate into society should be met with such hostility.


Indeed, as you have intimated there really isn't anything to integrate with/to in Sweden. Like you I have Swedish in-laws. I was also in the country for several years, never claimed a penny and never found a days work. We sold our house at a notional profit, but incurred a huge loss from other expenses.

I'm afraid that overall the opportunities are so limited, so your chances of success are remote. This is built into the Swedish system.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Jun.2018, 01:31 PM

"Fair enough. But not all immigrants are coming from 3rd world countries"

I agree with you...

It seems though there are so many here that expect a red carpet and embraces the minute they enter Sweden and then complain that Sweden is not like what they thought and then blame the Swedish people for being Swedish and not like them!!!

Posted by: Martian 21.Jun.2018, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 20.Jun.2018, 04:47 PM) *
So many complaints from people who left their own countries to come to Sweden, it makes you wonder how bad were those countries were.

The obvious answer is to go back home or go elsewhere...Isn't it???



QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 21.Jun.2018, 02:41 AM) *
Everybody forgets that Sweden is a country made by Swedes for themselves...

Why should a country be made for peop[le who did not care enough to make their own country a decent place to live???

Sweden is for Swedes!!!



This Swedish wannabe has been defending Sweden for 12 years on this forum, posts on every single thread everyday since then and has never lived in Sweden!

Are you on a sick bed or on some life support system? It takes the people who live in Sweden to understand how Sweden works.

Reading random things about Sweden without living there doesn't give you the audacity to counter the people who share their first-hand experiences about life in Sweden. You have wasted 12 years of your life sir!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Jun.2018, 03:10 PM

laugh.gif

Posted by: Apache001 21.Jun.2018, 03:34 PM

A friend visited me from Germany and I asked him to sincerely give me his opinion about his move.
He told me if he is able to get the language bit locked down having just lived in Germany for 2yrs, he sees Germany as a home and wouldn’t move anywhere else in the world.

It was at that point I told him he just confirmed what many posters here have written about Germany.

Many years ago when I first moved here, a friend told me come on mate don’t sweat it because Swedes know what they are doing, they are aware of everything they do to you and do them intentionally. It didn’t take more years to realize how wicked and selfish Swedes are, they act heartless only if that thing doesn’t bother them, however when the tables are turned they start acting like every normal person around the world, which truly shows they are aware about their disdainful behavior towards you.

To the narrow minded Gamla saying Sweden is for Swedes, once again if the world stops trading with Sweden with the same mindset and ask all Swedes around the world to move back to Sweden, then you would understand the true meaning of “great depression”.

All my years in Sweden I’m yet to meet just one person in real life who has honestly told me he likes his life here with reasons. The most I got was always about the clean air and parental benefits, and not one person has mentioned “THE PEOPLE”.

Posted by: parfume1 21.Jun.2018, 07:09 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 21.Jun.2018, 02:31 PM) *
"Fair enough. But not all immigrants are coming from 3rd world countries"

I agree with you...

It seems though there are so many here that expect a red carpet and embraces the minute they enter Sweden and then complain that Sweden is not like what they thought and then blame the Swedish people for being Swedish and not like them!!!



I seriously don’t even believe this man has visited Sweden he probably has a very anti social boring life like the average Swede and has found a country to lach onto!

Posted by: parfume1 21.Jun.2018, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 21.Jun.2018, 04:34 PM) *
A friend visited me from Germany and I asked him to sincerely give me his opinion about his move.
He told me if he is able to get the language bit locked down having just lived in Germany for 2yrs, he sees Germany as a home and wouldn’t move anywhere else in the world.

It was at that point I told him he just confirmed what many posters here have written about Germany.

Many years ago when I first moved here, a friend told me come on mate don’t sweat it because Swedes know what they are doing, they are aware of everything they do to you and do them intentionally. It didn’t take more years to realize how wicked and selfish Swedes are, they act heartless only if that thing doesn’t bother them, however when the tables are turned they start acting like every normal person around the world, which truly shows they are aware about their disdainful behavior towards you.

To the narrow minded Gamla saying Sweden is for Swedes, once again if the world stops trading with Sweden with the same mindset and ask all Swedes around the world to move back to Sweden, then you would understand the true meaning of “great depression”.

All my years in Sweden I’m yet to meet just one person in real life who has honestly told me he likes his life here with reasons. The most I got was always about the clean air and parental benefits, and not one person has mentioned “THE PEOPLE”.



Yeah I agree there is something very sinister about the Swedes. People who don’t show emotions and express themselves are the most dangerous you never know what is hiding on the inside!!!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Jun.2018, 07:59 PM

The comedy here is never-ending, complaints about Swedes from those that left their own countries amaze me...

Coupled with that is the determination and energy spent on saying how bad the Swedish people are...

If the complainers were not so sad and unhappy with the life they have made for themselves, it truly would be top notch comedy...

Posted by: GamlaSkogHisingHope 22.Jun.2018, 07:58 AM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 21.Jun.2018, 07:09 PM) *
I seriously don’t even believe this man has visited Sweden he probably has a very anti social boring life like the average Swede and has found a country to lach onto!



If you re-read some of the older posts you will see confirmation that the GH person is here on this forum as a voyeur or troll, never having lived in Sweden

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Jun.2018, 09:57 AM

Nothing that you say matters, this is an open forum...Please don't think you know anything about me because you do not!!!


Enjoy your day laugh.gif

Posted by: Bsmith 22.Jun.2018, 11:47 AM

Is this a type of exclusive club that only allows you to post if you have lived in Sweden? Seems a bit like racism to me. GO TO THE BACK OF THE BUS, GAMLA!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Jun.2018, 12:13 PM

I'm used to the back, that way you can see all the pretty girls riding with you!!! laugh.gif

What is being experienced here is that negative Sweden posters are amazed to learn that some here do not agree with their words of wisdom, and find any excuse to deny another opinion and thought about their posts...

So be it!!!

If this treatment keeps up I will report it to the S.A.A.V...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 22.Jun.2018, 03:10 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 22.Jun.2018, 10:57 AM) *
Nothing that you say matters, this is an open forum...Please don't think you know anything about me because you do not!!!


Enjoy your day laugh.gif


Is that true that you have never lived in sweden?!.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Jun.2018, 04:45 PM

No!

And it does not matter if anyone else did/does either...

This forum is not about where you are because we are all on the internet!!!

Posted by: robbie1985 26.Jun.2018, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 21.Jun.2018, 12:26 PM) *
There have been several stories in the news about this statistic, this one specifically mentions asylum seekers: https://www.economist.com/finance-and-economics/2016/11/05/seeking-asylum-and-jobs.

So perhaps using the word "immigrant" is too general and inaccurate but I mainly want to dispute the notion that there is some great need to import massive amounts of immigrants into Sweden. There are housing shortages, a genuine lack of jobs especially of the low skilled variety and vast cultural differences facing many of these immigrants.

There have also been many reports of increasing crime, and decreasing benefits and pensions for native Swedes due to the massive influx of immigration.

Not to say all immigration is bad. A selective approach welcoming those who would have skills that Sweden needs makes sense but Sweden's policy has been far from that.

I really do appreciate you providing that link, and it certainly did make for interesting reading, but as far as I can see it doesn't mention the average time for an immigrant to find a job, let alone it being 7 years. If you provide a source for that, I'd be incredibly grateful, because I'm struggling to believe it's true. I, and all of my social circle from SFI are obviously immigrants, and over 50% of my colleagues are foreign born, and we all found work within 6 months of arrival in Sweden. Obviously, a handful of people does not provide a reasonable representation of the immigrant population, but if the average is 7 years as you suggest, and there are large numbers gaining work well within a year, then surely to make the average 7 years, there must be some who have waited for much longer? Which I just can't bring myself to believe.

Posted by: Gjeebes 27.Jun.2018, 04:28 AM

You are the exception, not the norm. And these high numbers (oft quoted as 7 years for men, 12 years for women) are an open secret. If you have never heard of this before...well...maybe you need to get out more.

There are MASSIVE problems in Sweden, that no one is fixing, even if you don't see it.

""According to new figures from Statistics Sweden it takes nine years before half of the new arrivals have a job."

from: https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/768996/Sweden-European-Migrant-Crisis

So Stats Sweden has published these numbers...

https://www.thelocal.se/20150714/immigrants-could-be-swedens-greatest-resource

"According to the OECD the employment gap between well-educated native and foreign-born people is much bigger in Sweden than in other OECD countries."

Sweden also hides its true unemployment rate because if you are unemployed they stick you in some useless course et voila, you are no longer counted.

Posted by: Gjeebes 27.Jun.2018, 05:25 AM

http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2018/614200/IPOL_STU(2018)614200_EN.pdf

See:

page 9.

1) Participation in the labour market is seen as the most important factor favouring longterm integration into society. Estimates show that the number of refugees to be integrated into the labour market varies between 1% (DE, AT) and 2.2% of the labour force (SE).

page 19.

2) In the past, refugees found it more difficult than labour migrants to enter the local labour market. On EU average one in four found a job in the medium term, 56% after ten years. Refugees needed up to 20 years to catch up with the native-born.

page 20.

3) Administrative data from Sweden and survey data (IAB-SAMF Migration Sample) from
Germany, however, show slightly better outcomes than the EU-LFS data. In the first 5 years after arrival to Germany more than 50 % of refugees have found a job (Brücker et al., 2015). Based on administrative data, Åslund et al. (2017) report for Sweden that slightly above 50% of refugees had entered the labour market five years after coming to Sweden. After 10 years the share is somewhat above at 60%. These shares appear to be fairly consistent across immigrant cohorts. The overall picture in Sweden is that the process of labour market integration has been very similar over a long period of time

Also find interviews with Tino Sanandaji for other info.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/opinion/swedens-ugly-immigration-problem/article26338254/

""There has been a lack of integration among non-European refugees," he told me. Forty-eight per cent of immigrants of working age don't work, he said. Even after 15 years in Sweden, their employment rates reach only about 60 per cent. Sweden has the biggest employment gap in Europe between natives and non-natives."


https://www.neweurope.eu/article/migrant-unemployment-declines-sweden/

"Sweden’s New Public Employment Service has revealed that migrant unemployment is falling, although it remains almost four times as high as the country’s average."

Posted by: GamlaSkogHisingHope 27.Jun.2018, 07:54 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 22.Jun.2018, 04:45 PM) *
No!

And it does not matter if anyone else did/does either...

This forum is not about where you are because we are all on the internet!!!


Are you referring to time spent visiting Sweden visiting relatives, or living in Sweden as a resident. I believe that you admitted the former, but have not experienced the latter.

It's interesting for forum users to understand that such a prolific poster has not actually lived in Sweden. As you say, we are all on the internet, but some of us can back it up (!!!) - triplicate punctuation added for you.

Posted by: Svedallas 27.Jun.2018, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (robbie1985 @ 27.Jun.2018, 12:11 AM) *
I really do appreciate you providing that link, and it certainly did make for interesting reading, but as far as I can see it doesn't mention the average time for an immigrant to find a job, let alone it being 7 years. If you provide a source for that, I'd be incredibly grateful, because I'm struggling to believe it's true. I, and all of my social circle from SFI are obviously immigrants, and over 50% of my colleagues are foreign born, and we all found work within 6 months of arrival in Sweden. Obviously, a handful of people does not provide a reasonable representation of the immigrant population, but if the average is 7 years as you suggest, and there are large numbers gaining work well within a year, then surely to make the average 7 years, there must be some who have waited for much longer? Which I just can't bring myself to believe.


And it can take 2-3 years for a Swede.

7 years is exaggerated. It for those who cannot read, write, have no language or work experience from EU. So basically many refugees. This is why they get entry jobs through AMS, and have to take what they are given - and end up in the cleaning jobs or fast food jobs. The law states if they cant find a job after a period of time, if they do no accept what they are given, any benefits are cut.

If you are an educated immigrant, living in Sweden, can speak the language fluently, and understand the Swedish culture (which can cause someone to not get a job), it can take 1-2 years. But depends how long you have lived in the country as well. I know plenty of companies who have a preference for immigrants at least who have been the country for a number of years, and have permanent residency. Looking for a job and work permit, will soon be a thing of the past!

Posted by: robbie1985 27.Jun.2018, 10:03 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 27.Jun.2018, 06:25 AM) *
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2018/614200/IPOL_STU(2018)614200_EN.pdf

Thank you very much for this. I am amazed by these stats, having a little cognitive dissonance as they present such a stark difference with what I have seen and experienced.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 27.Jun.2018, 09:06 AM) *
And it can take 2-3 years for a Swede.

7 years is exaggerated. It for those who cannot read, write, have no language or work experience from EU. So basically many refugees. This is why they get entry jobs through AMS, and have to take what they are given - and end up in the cleaning jobs or fast food jobs. The law states if they cant find a job after a period of time, if they do no accept what they are given, any benefits are cut.

If you are an educated immigrant, living in Sweden, can speak the language fluently, and understand the Swedish culture (which can cause someone to not get a job), it can take 1-2 years. But depends how long you have lived in the country as well. I know plenty of companies who have a preference for immigrants at least who have been the country for a number of years, and have permanent residency. Looking for a job and work permit, will soon be a thing of the past!

This explanation makes a lo of sense. In the introduction weeks in SFI, we were all in a big group together, before being divided up based on previous education. I recall there being people there who literally couldn't read or write. So the idea that a new arrival basically has to go through the equivalent of 10 years of fundamental education before being employable certainly tallies with the stats above. But I still find it very surprising that the numbers in this position are so high.

Posted by: Gjeebes 27.Jun.2018, 03:04 PM

"having a little cognitive dissonance"

Actually, that is a great way to put it.

I don't think anyone can escape this effect after moving to Sweden, it is only a matter of time before the cracks start showing. Once you catch on, it is quite an easy zipper to open, for it to all be laid bare.

Some of us get a good go in Sweden, some of us don't. I have been equally surprised by some of the positive stories here, since it certainly was by no means my experience, in the great Meatball of the Arctic.

It's easy to miss all these things. People who have a place to live are oblivious to what is essentially a (rental) housing crisis in Sweden.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Jun.2018, 03:19 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 22.Jun.2018, 05:45 PM) *
No!

And it does not matter if anyone else did/does either...

This forum is not about where you are because we are all on the internet!!!



So, You have never lived in sweden?!. Then how can you have an informed opinion about what's like surviving the housing system or finding a job?!.

Why do you defend sweden so much when you haven't lived there!?.

There is a big difference between the sweden we see on documentaries and the real sweden. As a tourist things look different.

I am speechless.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Jun.2018, 04:14 PM

You are not being forced to read/answer my posts here...

"If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out"

Posted by: Am89 27.Jun.2018, 04:33 PM

I am loosing all my mental well being. I have stopped growing in all levels (personal, spiritual, professional and so on) since I have moved to Sweden. I feel like I am loosing my mind.
P.S. don't tell me to leave, because I would If I could.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Jun.2018, 04:48 PM

Well, then you have to change your ways of accepting your current situation...

You could begin by concentrating on anything that is not negative to you...

listen to music, take long walks, read, do anything that does not require you to compare your previous life to the one you have now...

Keep busy and don't think too much, many deep thinkers, no matter where they are usually wind up thinking in a negative way, try not to...

It's really up to you...

Good Luck...

Posted by: Am89 27.Jun.2018, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 27.Jun.2018, 05:48 PM) *
Well, then you have to change your ways of accepting your current situation...

You could begin by concentrating on anything that is not negative to you...

listen to music, take long walks, read, do anything that does not require you to compare your previous life to the one you have now...

Keep busy and don't think too much, many deep thinkers, no matter where they are usually wind up thinking in a negative way, try not to...

It's really up to you...

Good Luck...


Thank you for your kind advice Gamla Hälsingebock❤

Posted by: intrepidfox 27.Jun.2018, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 27.Jun.2018, 03:33 PM) *
I am loosing all my mental well being. I have stopped growing in all levels (personal, spiritual, professional and so on) since I have moved to Sweden. I feel like I am loosing my mind.
P.S. don't tell me to leave, because I would If I could.


Nothing to stop you from leaving. Bugger off

Posted by: Apache001 27.Jun.2018, 08:04 PM

What are the Swedish cultures one must adhere to for an opportunity in the job market?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Jun.2018, 09:21 PM

The same as anywhere else...Primarily the applicant should fit in with the current staff...

Then comes the qualification of the job seekers abilities...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Jun.2018, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 27.Jun.2018, 05:14 PM) *
You are not being forced to read/answer my posts here...

"If thine eye offends thee, pluck it out"


Hilarious, A man who has never been in sweden, speaking about sweden. That is unbelievable.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Jun.2018, 09:59 PM

I am so happy that you find my presence here to be of some amusement to you!!!

I am beginning to think you have some sort of attraction or crush on me, if you are not female, go away because I don't roll like that... angry.gif

Posted by: Bsmith 27.Jun.2018, 10:22 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 27.Jun.2018, 04:33 PM) *
I am loosing all my mental well being. I have stopped growing in all levels (personal, spiritual, professional and so on) since I have moved to Sweden. I feel like I am loosing my mind.
P.S. don't tell me to leave, because I would If I could.


Also, try physical activities such as bike riding, running/walking, skiing (in the winter). etc. These release endorphins which can help with your well being.

As Gamla said, if you can't move, then you must discover ways to make it work.

Good luck!

Posted by: Bsmith 27.Jun.2018, 10:24 PM

In regards to Gamla never being in Sweden:

There are scientists who are experts in interplanetary study whom have never visited any planet except Earth. Your point is?????

Posted by: Mib 27.Jun.2018, 10:52 PM

Try this https://www.volontarbyran.org/en/english

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Jun.2018, 11:52 PM

Hey BSMITH...Thank you for the kind words and understanding...

My family ancestors have been buried in our Sweden for more than 200 hundred years or more, we stopped searching because records were not available where we were then ...

Maybe at a later time, we will continue our search and go further back...

I have gotten a lot of criticism over the years, from Swede bashers who cannot stand another point of view that differs from theirs...So when they are challenged they resort to baby games like resorting to personal attacks...

I am here and will remain a staunch supporter and defender of my heritage and family...

BRING IT ON, SWEDE BASHERS!!! angry.gif

Posted by: Gjeebes 28.Jun.2018, 04:56 AM

Here is a picture of Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber, discussing the merits of Trump.



Tweedle Dumb and Tweedle Dumber also believe Sweden's free healthcare, and free education, are actually free, and then tend to argue that one can't complain about the poor value for the money!

And Tweedle Dumber is actually correct, there is no law preventing a bored, confused, dotty old man, who knows not what he blithers about, from spouting on anyway.

He'll take any attention he can get.

More to be pittied, than blamed.

Posted by: Martian 28.Jun.2018, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 27.Jun.2018, 05:48 PM) *
Well, then you have to change your ways of accepting your current situation...

You could begin by concentrating on anything that is not negative to you...

listen to music, take long walks, read, do anything that does not require you to compare your previous life to the one you have now...

Keep busy and don't think too much, many deep thinkers, no matter where they are usually wind up thinking in a negative way, try not to...

It's really up to you...

Good Luck...



Nice words Gamla smile.gif See, those words are soothing and can bring dead bones back to life. They are more effective than saying things like "Sweden cannot change because of you", "Just leave if it is not working for you", Why did they leave their countries for Sweden in the first place" etc etc. Sometimes, a word of encouragement like this is what someone needs to relaunch back to life at full thrust.

Posted by: Svedallas 28.Jun.2018, 09:36 AM

QUOTE (robbie1985 @ 27.Jun.2018, 11:03 AM) *
Thank you very much for this. I am amazed by these stats, having a little cognitive dissonance as they present such a stark difference with what I have seen and experienced.


This explanation makes a lo of sense. In the introduction weeks in SFI, we were all in a big group together, before being divided up based on previous education. I recall there being people there who literally couldn't read or write. So the idea that a new arrival basically has to go through the equivalent of 10 years of fundamental education before being employable certainly tallies with the stats above. But I still find it very surprising that the numbers in this position are so high.



Exactly. So 7 years is the minimum time for refugees to get a job. They have to go to SFI, then komvux which is another 3-4 years, and then College or University to be able to be even considered for a low entry corporate job. But many just stick to the SFI, and that is why they are stuck with low jobs.
If one goes through to University, then you are adding another 3/4 years. So all in all to be able to get a good paying job equivalent to a Swede at the same salary level.

Minimum 10 years, at the least.
And - who is paying for the 10 years...we are.

And people wonder why taking such an influx is going to be a drain to the social system...

Posted by: Bsmith 28.Jun.2018, 11:14 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 28.Jun.2018, 04:56 AM) *
More to be pittied, than blamed.


Like a prune?

Posted by: Gjeebes 28.Jun.2018, 12:23 PM

"And - who is paying for the 10 years...we are."

And why are you paying?

Because you invited them!

"And people wonder why taking such an influx is going to be a drain to the social system..."

Really, you Swedes still can't quite connect the dots?

Not surprising really.

Posted by: Svedallas 28.Jun.2018, 03:15 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 28.Jun.2018, 01:23 PM) *
"And - who is paying for the 10 years...we are."

And why are you paying?

Because you invited them!

"And people wonder why taking such an influx is going to be a drain to the social system..."

Really, you Swedes still can't quite connect the dots?

Not surprising really.



Who is paying can be debatable.

After SFI - refugees can take out part CSN.
But after all the education they try get, a refugee goes into debt for no less than 200k SEK. (but most give up and never graduate - they just try get in for the money).


Now this is the true question - what do refugees get from living in Sweden?
Nothing. They will have to struggle, from the moment they get to Sweden.

And to summarize. This is exactly why many refugees, especially those who are arabic (where most of them come from) have a minimum of 4 kids, these days.

There was the local debate on TV where a woman (Arabic) who came to Sweden and has been here for almost 20 years and has 8 children, and has level B swedish, meaning she has the same level as a tourist. And now she is trying to enter the workforce.


System is just fucked up. Can you force someone to learn language? should they be forced to get high school diploma? - I think so.

SFI is not enough. At least with high school level, they can be a little competitive in the market.

Posted by: Am89 28.Jun.2018, 05:17 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 27.Jun.2018, 08:51 PM) *
Nothing to stop you from leaving. Bugger off

Keep your judgement to yourself and don't comment without knowing you heartless jerk

Posted by: Am89 28.Jun.2018, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 27.Jun.2018, 11:22 PM) *
Also, try physical activities such as bike riding, running/walking, skiing (in the winter). etc. These release endorphins which can help with your well being.

As Gamla said, if you can't move, then you must discover ways to make it work.

Good luck!


Thank you for advice. I start a new book today and soon will start going to swimming. But some days are just unbearable.

Posted by: Am89 28.Jun.2018, 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 28.Jun.2018, 04:15 PM) *
Who is paying can be debatable.

After SFI - refugees can take out part CSN.
But after all the education they try get, a refugee goes into debt for no less than 200k SEK. (but most give up and never graduate - they just try get in for the money).


Now this is the true question - what do refugees get from living in Sweden?
Nothing. They will have to struggle, from the moment they get to Sweden.

And to summarize. This is exactly why many refugees, especially those who are arabic (where most of them come from) have a minimum of 4 kids, these days.

There was the local debate on TV where a woman (Arabic) who came to Sweden and has been here for almost 20 years and has 8 children, and has level B swedish, meaning she has the same level as a tourist. And now she is trying to enter the workforce.


System is just fucked up. Can you force someone to learn language? should they be forced to get high school diploma? - I think so.

SFI is not enough. At least with high school level, they can be a little competitive in the market.


I can speak fluent Swedish, have a master's degree from Swedish university, a bachelor degree from my homeland's university, a non-degree university certificate from a european university plus high school certificate from US, no criminal record, no debts to government, etc. But guess what, wherever I turn for a job answer is "nej, tack". I even applied for a job in arbetsförmedlingen and skatteverket. But to my surprise they preferred to hire some arabic people instead but not me (p.s. I am glad for them, not jelous or smth). Oh I forgot to mention that I speak 6 languages. Now could you please help me to understand why am I having a hard time landing a job? Btw. I applied for some jobs in London and directly got invited to interviews, however, here in Sweden no employer is interested even to invite me for an interview. In my opinion, there is an obvious bias and discrimination in labor market. If eliminated, a lot of educated refugees/immigrants could get jobs rather than being a burden on society. However, I agree that there are also those ppl that are not willing to learn and integrate. But at the same time there is a huge discrimination towards "outsiders". (Sorry for long text n typos).

Posted by: Svedallas 28.Jun.2018, 07:16 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 06:37 PM) *
I can speak fluent Swedish, have a master's degree from Swedish university, a bachelor degree from my homeland's university, a non-degree university certificate from a european university plus high school certificate from US, no criminal record, no debts to government, etc. But guess what, wherever I turn for a job answer is "nej, tack". I even applied for a job in arbetsförmedlingen and skatteverket. But to my surprise they preferred to hire some arabic people instead but not me (p.s. I am glad for them, not jelous or smth). Oh I forgot to mention that I speak 6 languages. Now could you please help me to understand why am I having a hard time landing a job? Btw. I applied for some jobs in London and directly got invited to interviews, however, here in Sweden no employer is interested even to invite me for an interview. In my opinion, there is an obvious bias and discrimination in labor market. If eliminated, a lot of educated refugees/immigrants could get jobs rather than being a burden on society. However, I agree that there are also those ppl that are not willing to learn and integrate. But at the same time there is a huge discrimination towards "outsiders". (Sorry for long text n typos).


1. Have you ever had a job in Sweden?
2. How long have you lived in Sweden?

Are you from Finland - native?

Posted by: Am89 28.Jun.2018, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 28.Jun.2018, 08:16 PM) *
1. Have you ever had a job in Sweden?
2. How long have you lived in Sweden?

Are you from Finland - native?


I have had a few jobs in Sweden with good references but all of them short term jobs and summer job.
I have lived in Sweden for 5 years now.
No, I am not from Finland.

Posted by: Bsmith 28.Jun.2018, 10:33 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 05:37 PM) *
I can speak fluent Swedish, have a master's degree from Swedish university, a bachelor degree from my homeland's university, a non-degree university certificate from a european university plus high school certificate from US, no criminal record, no debts to government, etc. But guess what, wherever I turn for a job answer is "nej, tack". I even applied for a job in arbetsförmedlingen and skatteverket. But to my surprise they preferred to hire some arabic people instead but not me (p.s. I am glad for them, not jelous or smth). Oh I forgot to mention that I speak 6 languages. Now could you please help me to understand why am I having a hard time landing a job? Btw. I applied for some jobs in London and directly got invited to interviews, however, here in Sweden no employer is interested even to invite me for an interview. In my opinion, there is an obvious bias and discrimination in labor market. If eliminated, a lot of educated refugees/immigrants could get jobs rather than being a burden on society. However, I agree that there are also those ppl that are not willing to learn and integrate. But at the same time there is a huge discrimination towards "outsiders". (Sorry for long text n typos).



With your qualifications being so good, I can't imagine why you are not getting a job. Is there something you are not telling us?

Posted by: Bsmith 28.Jun.2018, 10:35 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 05:37 PM) *
I can speak fluent Swedish, have a master's degree from Swedish university, a bachelor degree from my homeland's university, a non-degree university certificate from a european university plus high school certificate from US, no criminal record, no debts to government, etc. But guess what, wherever I turn for a job answer is "nej, tack". I even applied for a job in arbetsförmedlingen and skatteverket. But to my surprise they preferred to hire some arabic people instead but not me (p.s. I am glad for them, not jelous or smth). Oh I forgot to mention that I speak 6 languages. Now could you please help me to understand why am I having a hard time landing a job? Btw. I applied for some jobs in London and directly got invited to interviews, however, here in Sweden no employer is interested even to invite me for an interview. In my opinion, there is an obvious bias and discrimination in labor market. If eliminated, a lot of educated refugees/immigrants could get jobs rather than being a burden on society. However, I agree that there are also those ppl that are not willing to learn and integrate. But at the same time there is a huge discrimination towards "outsiders". (Sorry for long text n typos).



With your qualifications being so good, I can't imagine why you are not getting a job. Is there something you are not telling us?

Posted by: Cheeseroller 29.Jun.2018, 04:28 AM

There are Gus with Phd's driving taxi's in Stockholm - what more should we know?

For eight years I have been asking for any example of a foreigner who have enjoyed success in Sweden. There are no role models.

Posted by: Am89 29.Jun.2018, 08:15 AM

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Posted by: Am89 29.Jun.2018, 08:23 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 28.Jun.2018, 11:35 PM) *
With your qualifications being so good, I can't imagine why you are not getting a job. Is there something you are not telling us?


Just like you, I also doubted myself in the beginning (my appearance, qualifications, bad omen, etc) trying to find some explanation to my failure to land a job here. So in order to clear my doubts I start applying for jobs in UK, though I know I can't work outside of Sweden for now. To my surprise, I got invited to more interviews in a week than my whole time in Sweden. So my doubts were cleared.

Posted by: Svedallas 29.Jun.2018, 08:43 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 09:33 PM) *
I have had a few jobs in Sweden with good references but all of them short term jobs and summer job.
I have lived in Sweden for 5 years now.
No, I am not from Finland.


You would need at least 3-5 years work experience from a Swedish company to compete.
You are not getting jobs, because you have NO full time experience! Your are in a competitive market.
So it is not a surprise that you are not getting anywhere...you are kind of wrong to just blame Sweden for not getting work. You have no merit.

Secondly, many have been here for more than 5 years, or a native - so you understanding the Swedish work culture is important.

Also as you're an immigrant, we all know that story...see the hundreds of threads!
If I was you - go to another EU country and get the experience first.

Good luck

Posted by: robbie1985 29.Jun.2018, 09:32 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 27.Jun.2018, 04:04 PM) *
"having a little cognitive dissonance"

Actually, that is a great way to put it.

I don't think anyone can escape this effect after moving to Sweden, it is only a matter of time before the cracks start showing. Once you catch on, it is quite an easy zipper to open, for it to all be laid bare.

Some of us get a good go in Sweden, some of us don't. I have been equally surprised by some of the positive stories here, since it certainly was by no means my experience, in the great Meatball of the Arctic.

It's easy to miss all these things. People who have a place to live are oblivious to what is essentially a (rental) housing crisis in Sweden.

I honestly can not stress enough how positive my experience has been, and will always be sure to stress the 'MY experience' as I'm painfully aware not all are as lucky as I am.

One of the few complaints I do have is with the housing market. My parents have just been to visit and I spent a chunk of time explaining to them how it works here and they were horrified. We are currently coming to the end of our 1-year-only second-hand contract on an apartment, only to have to move into a tiny student apartment (my fiancé is studying her masters), a move which looked to be for another year, when we fortunate enough to find another second-hand contract on another apartment, potentially only for a year.

However, as much of an inconvenience as this is, it's totally worth it, in my opinion. The rest of living in Sweden far outweighs this, for me.

Posted by: Am89 29.Jun.2018, 11:04 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.Jun.2018, 09:43 AM) *
You would need at least 3-5 years work experience from a Swedish company to compete.
You are not getting jobs, because you have NO full time experience! Your are in a competitive market.
So it is not a surprise that you are not getting anywhere...you are kind of wrong to just blame Sweden for not getting work. You have no merit.

Secondly, many have been here for more than 5 years, or a native - so you understanding the Swedish work culture is important.

Also as you're an immigrant, we all know that story...see the hundreds of threads!
If I was you - go to another EU country and get the experience first.

Good luck


How can I get 3-5 years of work experience from a Swedish company if no company is willing to hire? I have tried to apply for traineeships as well, but again the same story there.

Posted by: Bsmith 29.Jun.2018, 11:15 AM

I, like many immigrants, ran into the employment wall as well. I was able to get a job but not in my field and at a much lower salary than I was accustomed to. After some deliberation my wife and I decided to move back to the US,

For us, that was the right move. Best of luck in your journey,

Posted by: Svedallas 29.Jun.2018, 11:54 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 29.Jun.2018, 12:04 PM) *
How can I get 3-5 years of work experience from a Swedish company if no company is willing to hire? I have tried to apply for traineeships as well, but again the same story there.


You have to find a low skilled job. Cleaning, supermarket...that count.

I know people who have master degrees, and swallowed their pride! Many people have a masters, have work experience, speak the language fluently and at least had 3 years full time work experience.

Only because you have university education, does not put you ahead. It is the minimum.

Posted by: intrepidfox 29.Jun.2018, 12:47 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 04:17 PM) *
Keep your judgement to yourself and don't comment without knowing you heartless jerk


I am just being nasty to you as you were to me in another post. You have lived here 5 years. I have lived here 30, so don´t tell me, as you did in another post that i am ignorant. Twat

ps. whenever you dont get your own way in a discussoin you call the person stupid. Just leave Sweden, leave the UK alone and go back to the hole you came from

Posted by: Am89 29.Jun.2018, 02:16 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.Jun.2018, 12:54 PM) *
You have to find a low skilled job. Cleaning, supermarket...that count.

I know people who have master degrees, and swallowed their pride! Many people have a masters, have work experience, speak the language fluently and at least had 3 years full time work experience.

Only because you have university education, does not put you ahead. It is the minimum.

Dude, i don't have such pride. Even though i have master degree but I have taken jobs in restaurant and warehouse. I never mind working. However, i have mentioned earlier that even in non-skilled lanor market there is a huge discrimination. Employers prefer to hire swedes. Only people with swedish names are called to interviews.

Posted by: Am89 29.Jun.2018, 02:19 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 29.Jun.2018, 01:47 PM) *
I am just being nasty to you as you were to me in another post. You have lived here 5 years. I have lived here 30, so don´t tell me, as you did in another post that i am ignorant. Twat

ps. whenever you dont get your own way in a discussoin you call the person stupid. Just leave Sweden, leave the UK alone and go back to the hole you came from


First of all, I am never nasty to anyone unless that person is nasty to me. Secondly, not for you to show me a way. If you can not comment anything useful then keep your haterad to yourself. Because I really don't give a shit. Oh, regarding a country, earth just don't belong to a nation. No one owns it, so I can go whereever I want.

Posted by: intrepidfox 29.Jun.2018, 07:17 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 29.Jun.2018, 01:19 PM) *
First of all, I am never nasty to anyone unless that person is nasty to me. Secondly, not for you to show me a way. If you can not comment anything useful then keep your haterad to yourself. Because I really don't give a shit. Oh, regarding a country, earth just don't belong to a nation. No one owns it, so I can go whereever I want.


Then go some where else. You have called myself and other people idiots just because we are correct and you do not like the reply which in my case was that without Swedish, there is no chance of employement

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 29.Jun.2018, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 29.Jun.2018, 09:23 AM) *
Just like you, I also doubted myself in the beginning (my appearance, qualifications, bad omen, etc) trying to find some explanation to my failure to land a job here. So in order to clear my doubts I start applying for jobs in UK, though I know I can't work outside of Sweden for now. To my surprise, I got invited to more interviews in a week than my whole time in Sweden. So my doubts were cleared.



That's actually what a lot of people experience. They apply in sweden and no luck and then they try in another country outside sweden and they get more offers in a week than in an entire year in sweden.

You are telling me the average story of many people in sweden.

But as you can see swedes and those who are in the group will not admit it. It's a waste of time trying to convince them that their system is biased and unfair and it's incredibly closed to immigrants.

In sweden your education is worth nothing or very little then as you told countries like the UK can take immigrants skills more seriously.


But it all has to do with the mindset that sweden is the best and therefore swedes are better than any foreigner.

I can understand you cannot leave sweden. Moving to another country is expensive and takes a lot of resources.

But sweden is a very unfair place unless you set your job expectations really low, that's why sweden will never become an international country, not like UK or Germany and other EU places. This is a closed club, very tight housing market, very strict job market.

No other country imposes so many false limitations and false excuses like sweden does.

Don't listen to the passive aggressiveness and the false excuses, they are meant to try to convince you that it's your fault, when it's theirs.

Posted by: Bsmith 29.Jun.2018, 10:28 PM

I always recommend to have a backup plan in place when moving to Sweden. It is not for everyone.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.Jun.2018, 10:55 PM

One of the greatest problems that I see here is the expectation of some kind of utopia in Sweden, and then the reality of what it really is like causes a lot of people a great deal of unhappiness and bitterness...

But what to do???

More research before you move???

Bite the bullet and adapt???

Leave???

Post here???

Posted by: Am89 30.Jun.2018, 12:23 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 29.Jun.2018, 08:57 PM) *
That's actually what a lot of people experience. They apply in sweden and no luck and then they try in another country outside sweden and they get more offers in a week than in an entire year in sweden.

You are telling me the average story of many people in sweden.

But as you can see swedes and those who are in the group will not admit it. It's a waste of time trying to convince them that their system is biased and unfair and it's incredibly closed to immigrants.

In sweden your education is worth nothing or very little then as you told countries like the UK can take immigrants skills more seriously.


But it all has to do with the mindset that sweden is the best and therefore swedes are better than any foreigner.

I can understand you cannot leave sweden. Moving to another country is expensive and takes a lot of resources.

But sweden is a very unfair place unless you set your job expectations really low, that's why sweden will never become an international country, not like UK or Germany and other EU places. This is a closed club, very tight housing market, very strict job market.

No other country imposes so many false limitations and false excuses like sweden does.

Don't listen to the passive aggressiveness and the false excuses, they are meant to try to convince you that it's your fault, when it's theirs.


Thank you for saying the truth and for your support ❤. Because what I understand is that they don't really care to know the other perspective except their own. It seems to me that the country is not interested in utilizing its the human resources, otherwise, there are many talented foreign-born people who could contribute to this country in many fields given the chance.

Posted by: john.boy 30.Jun.2018, 12:29 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 06:37 PM) *
a master's degree from Swedish university, a bachelor degree from my homeland's university, a non-degree university certificate from a european university plus high school certificate from US

...and what subject(s) are those?

Posted by: Am89 30.Jun.2018, 12:41 AM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 29.Jun.2018, 08:17 PM) *
Then go some where else. You have called myself and other people idiots just because we are correct and you do not like the reply which in my case was that without Swedish, there is no chance of employement

Could it be because you guys were agressive?
Including myself there are many people that I know who speak swedish but still don't get hired. Problem is not the language but rather the mindset of employers. Employers prefer to hire natives and/or through contacts.

P.S. I will definitely leave when my conditions allows biggrin.gif

Posted by: john.boy 30.Jun.2018, 07:17 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 30.Jun.2018, 01:41 AM) *
Employers prefer to hire natives and/or through contacts.

This is normal across the world, not a Swedish phenomena. Many companies even offer recruitment bonus' to their employees who nominate candidates that are eventually employed and stay beyond a certain duration. One company I worked with not so long ago used to have a recruitment bonus of approx. 60.000:-. The norm is that somewhere between 70-80% of recruitments in most countries are done through networking, and in Sweden I believe it is closer to 80%. job advertisements are just the tip of the vacancy iceberg.

What subject(s) are your qualifications for?

Posted by: Cheeseroller 30.Jun.2018, 08:42 AM

Unless you have in-demand skills, you are basically stuffed. As you have tried to get work and not called for interviews, that means your skills are not in demand. If you are not fairly fluent in Swedish, then you are double-stuffed - because how will you understand health and safety info in a company, or follow discussions at meetings, or work well with colleagues?

For more that 10 years, foreigners have been complaining on this forum that getting work is extremely difficult. Yet more people keep coming without doing any research. When I moved to Sweden there was no forum!

Even if you find work in your field, the next complaint will be that you are not valued and progressing up the chain. Or that you have no Swedish friends. Or that the country bores you to tears.

The only solution is to 1) start your own business and export (forget trying to sell to Swedes, they would buy horse shit from their own) or 2) leave. There is no middle way.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Jul.2018, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 29.Jun.2018, 03:16 PM) *
Dude, i don't have such pride. Even though i have master degree but I have taken jobs in restaurant and warehouse. I never mind working. However, i have mentioned earlier that even in non-skilled lanor market there is a huge discrimination. Employers prefer to hire swedes. Only people with swedish names are called to interviews.



You are not alone, It's all well known.

If I am not allowed to post links, please let me know so I can delete them and post only the reference title.

Women and those with foreign-sounding names earn less in Sweden: report
https://www.thelocal.se/20180613/women-foreign-born-salary-sweden-report

Swedish study confirms foreign name CV bias
https://www.thelocal.se/20130405/47164

"Researchers have found that job applicants with Swedish sounding names are 50 percent more likely to be called back for an interview than people with Arabic names, based on a randomly generated experiment with CV and cover letters."

Posted by: Stumc1981 16.Sep.2019, 11:28 AM

Interesting discussion, I came here from England two years ago and it didn't take me long to realise that there is something seriously strange about the Swedish people (my partner and her family included). All the same things that have previously been mentioned, boring, two faced, no social skills outside their own circles, always wanting to know your business without asking directly.

For me I'm luckier than most "immigrants" we are quite wealthy and own a lot of property here but you wouldn't think it the way some Swedes have treat me, I run my own company and am sometimes shocked by how arrogant they can be so I put them in their place by dropping into the conversation about property/horses/boats or whatever that we own, they then change from looking down at me to looking with hateful jealousy, it's so funny, I hate to be that guy but they really annoy me sometimes. I have met a few good Swedes but not many. The good thing about being English (or american/Australian) is that we're far more confident in negotiating and you can use that to your advantage, the Swedes will back down everytime if you raise the heat on them. The men are especially weak in arguments or negotiation.
Also I notice that every time I go out in Stockholm I get approached by woman, they love the fact that I'm English and carry more confidence (not to be mistaken with Swedish arrogance) they love the fact we're funny, happy, generous and have good manners.
I know it can be frustrating living here but use their faults to your own advantage, have a little fun with them, force them to apologise if they bump into you, call one a f***ing w**nker if they cut you up in traffic. Trust me it's great fun when you stop caring what they think of you.
Because ultimately that's the problem, the Swedes all worry so much about what others think of them they're afraid to be random and carefree.

Posted by: Bsmith 16.Sep.2019, 11:39 AM

The Swedes in Stockholm are known to be a bit snobbish. The rest of Sweden calls them the null åters (sp?) and dismisses them for being stuck up. The Swedes that I have met out in the rural areas were much nicer. Generally speaking not exactly the most outgoing people I have ever met, but nice in their own way. I would have to agree on your last point. Swedes do seem to worry about what others think of them...however, I think it is mostly do to a desire not to offend anyone.

Posted by: Stumc1981 16.Sep.2019, 05:15 PM

I agree, I forgot to add that on a recent trip to Uddevala (I have long time swedish friends there) I found the people much more friendly and open, so much so that I instantly looked at buying an apartment there, I might of sounded like I was painting a general picture but I forgot to add that I live in Stockholm, in two years I haven't made a single genuine Swedish friend, back in the UK you can make a good friend just from one night in a pub. I think sweden needs pubs!
I notice that most of the conversations I have here are with other immigrants, Swedes just aren't very talkative and when they are it usually mundane. One day when my wife's parents pass on (they are old) we plan to sell up and move back to England, even she says it's better there and she was born in Stockholm. I came here and tried to love sweden but I have come to the conclusion that I never will and can't wait to return to the rich tapestry of English life.

Posted by: Stumc1981 16.Sep.2019, 05:26 PM

Oh and before anyone tries to tell me England isn't perfect, trust me we already know. We mock ourselves better than anyone else can!

Posted by: Svedallas 16.Sep.2019, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (Stumc1981 @ 16.Sep.2019, 06:15 PM) *
I agree, I forgot to add that on a recent trip to Uddevala (I have long time swedish friends there) I found the people much more friendly and open, so much so that I instantly looked at buying an apartment there, I might of sounded like I was painting a general picture but I forgot to add that I live in Stockholm, in two years I haven't made a single genuine Swedish friend, back in the UK you can make a good friend just from one night in a pub. I think sweden needs pubs!
I notice that most of the conversations I have here are with other immigrants, Swedes just aren't very talkative and when they are it usually mundane. One day when my wife's parents pass on (they are old) we plan to sell up and move back to England, even she says it's better there and she was born in Stockholm. I came here and tried to love sweden but I have come to the conclusion that I never will and can't wait to return to the rich tapestry of English life.


Learn the language.


Posted by: Stumc1981 16.Sep.2019, 06:53 PM

No point, I doubt it would make people more interesting, I know a fair bit of Swedish already plus I don't intend to spend too long here. If I was going to settle somewhere other than England and put effort into becoming fluent I'd choose somewhere like Germany or France with some life and culture.

Posted by: Svedallas 18.Sep.2019, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (Stumc1981 @ 16.Sep.2019, 07:53 PM) *
No point, I doubt it would make people more interesting, I know a fair bit of Swedish already plus I don't intend to spend too long here. If I was going to settle somewhere other than England and put effort into becoming fluent I'd choose somewhere like Germany or France with some life and culture.


You are arrogant.

Yes you are better somewhere else.


Posted by: djmarko 18.Sep.2019, 12:26 PM

why is he arrogant? he just stated his reasons for why he reacts to some Swedes the way he does

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 19.Sep.2019, 07:55 PM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 18.Sep.2019, 01:26 PM) *
why is he arrogant? he just stated his reasons for why he reacts to some Swedes the way he does



Svedallas is actually being polite now. He usually makes really tough insults to anyone who dares to say that sweden is not the best, the finest country on the face of the earth that after a cataclysmic even on earth, it will be sweden and only sweden the only ones alive.

I must say, I thank sweden for all these years, because thanks to my stay in this country I have appreciated my homeland. True is my country is far from perfect, we have our problems. I left my country thinking we were the worst but having been in sweden for more than a few years now I must say these people are pros at hiding their wrong doings.
I agree with previous comments this is a very closed culture for most part and also very self centered as if they were the elite but they all hide it. Here it's not about race it's about classes. 99% of the jokes about me were related to class. They see themselves as the elite of the world. Crazy!.

The housing rental market is an expression of the fact they don't want immigrants so the only reason why immigrants live in sweden is because they want to look good to the international institutions as a humanitarian country but it's nothing but an investment to put a leg at the UN.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Sep.2019, 09:40 PM

Wouldn't it be better/easier for Sweden to keep people out than letting them in to complain about everything that is Swedish and that they do not like it not being what they want it to be???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 20.Sep.2019, 12:15 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 19.Sep.2019, 10:40 PM) *
Wouldn't it be better/easier for Sweden to keep people out than letting them in to complain about everything that is Swedish and that they do not like it not being what they want it to be???



The question is why so many posts about sweden complaining about the same?. Why blame the foreigner when it's sweden the problem?.
Just check the posts about sweden in this forum alone, same about conversations I had with foreigners living in sweden. Most people who can see, they all complain about the same. So the problem is sweden not the foreigner.

The problem is that the rest of the world doesn't know how inward and overprotective this culture is. But of course there is money to send greta thunberg and mislead the world she is the new big thing!, while in sweden 1 million people queue for rentals. Makes sense.

I am pretty sure greta thunberg will not tell American congress about the queues in sweden right?. That thing, they keep it quiet right?, so more people move to sweden without knowing the trap they are falling into.

But yeah, swedes are a culture of humanitarian people of light.

Now have your rant insulting me.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 20.Sep.2019, 01:23 AM

I do not need to rant or insult anybody...

To me the answer to people who have such problems dealing with Sweden's culture and people is to move to a happier place...

People in Sweden and are not happy will not be happy by publishing their problems here...The housing issues will not be solved by anybody on this forum...




Posted by: Gjeebes 20.Sep.2019, 03:36 AM

"Swedes do seem to worry about what others think of them"

That's because if they don't conform, they will be socially castrated. The opinion corridor in Sweden, as dictated by their virtue-signalling government, is extremely narrow and shallow.

The woes of the consensus society. Conform or be cast out. (how do you think they got away with doing "open-borders" immigration with such huge public backing?)

Posted by: djmarko 20.Sep.2019, 03:04 PM

I thank goodness i have the possibility to travel and move around anytime i feel like, it is really needed during the dark winter nights, something to look forward to, summer is bearable here, everyone happy, more open, social and what not, perhaps the weather here can really affect the mood of people, has anyone thought about this? leave work, minus 15 outside, cold to the bones, rushing just to get home or pick kids up, will you really have time to socialize? my ex- Swedish girl wondered how i got energy to be very social during the winter? well life too short, you have to enjoy life whether its cold, hot or dark!guess thats how i have survived here

Posted by: Svedallas 20.Sep.2019, 04:50 PM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 18.Sep.2019, 01:26 PM) *
why is he arrogant? he just stated his reasons for why he reacts to some Swedes the way he does


I'm luckier than most "immigrants" we are quite wealthy and own a lot of property

Arrogant

Pepito is clearly still miserable in Sweden. Why are you even here?
No friends? you spend all your time here.

Get.a.life.

Posted by: gsurya 21.Sep.2019, 10:26 AM

For every immigrant complaining and being so tired of living in Sweden on this thread, there are 10 immigrants who are quite grateful and happy.

Dont get me wrong, there is absolutely nothing wrong with factually debating areas where Sweden needs improvements, eg immigration, housing, tax reforms etc. But most of the posts here are general unverifiable complaints.

The problem is that whiners spam such forums with their repeated and constant posts, while the happy ones just enjoy life outside such discussions. I am one of this latter lot smile.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Sep.2019, 12:10 PM

Spot on...

Happy people rarely post here, only those that see Swe-Nazis under their bed do laugh.gif

Posted by: seekaid 21.Sep.2019, 01:41 PM

Aaahhhh, the joys of culture shock!!!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Sep.2019, 01:48 PM

You'll see a lot of it here...

Posted by: Gjeebes 27.Sep.2019, 04:20 AM

"there are 10 immigrants who are quite grateful and happy."

Sure, Meatballia is a step-forward from the 3rd world. While for others, it is 2 steps backwards.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.Sep.2019, 06:41 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 27.Sep.2019, 05:20 AM) *
"there are 10 immigrants who are quite grateful and happy."

Sure, Meatballia is a step-forward from the 3rd world. While for others, it is 2 steps backwards.


Bingo

A free shit sandwich is better than no sandwich at all.

Posted by: Gjeebes 2.Oct.2019, 05:54 PM

"A free shit sandwich is better than no sandwich at all."

G-strang, would you agree? Did you enjoy your shitsnack?

Posted by: mayin2018 12.Oct.2019, 03:17 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 20.Jun.2018, 10:39 PM) *
People come in, they spend their money trying to survive and many will leave with less money in their pockets and frustrated with the passive aggressiveness and the passivity of this country that looks the other way and keep it silence to tackle problems like housing, because lack of housing means $$$$$$ and a way to get rid of competition.


I'm astonished that I got same speculation as you....I always have same feeling as you after i have been living in Sweden more than one year. but I have never talked to any others... we did run out of our money and ruined our career at the meantime.

we learnt lots good things about Sweden, and of course it is one of the most beautiful country in the world in summer. but here is my experience of living in Sweden

1. i was rejected given a personal number in more than one and half year. (long story about some administration mistake) all decisions from government against each other...
2. then rejected to get enrolled in SFI
3. zero possibility to find a legal first-hand leasing contract
4. waiting in the queue of housing system and need 7 years in average to get first hand contract
5. looking for sublet and pay 10000 per month / very difficult to get long-term 2nd hand contract
6. ran out of all the money my husband brought from home country
7. since he's been here for almost 4 years, he has simply no way to go back. and need to get PR for earning all the money back. but according to migrationsverket, if no first hand contract or own apartment. it is less possible to get us PR.
8. so ! we went to the bank in order to get a loan and decided to buy an apartment. as we all know the interest rate is interesting, and also can get tax refund for the interest of housing loan.bank just say no as I don't have a job.
9. so! we sold out our apartment in home country. and bought an apartment. and we clearly know that we still need to pay 4000 per month for only water (warm water not even included) and some invisible services and the debt that property developer owed. and we clearly know that the apartment is not ours, we have no right to rent out without forening's permission.
10. I paid 5000 for a monthly Swedish course in a private university.
11. I've been looking for a job, i did get some interview. and i do want to share this.
reception jobs in a beauty and massage shop. boss asked me for referees to do background check. i sent it to her and then no reply. after i asked, she just simply replied that the position is filled. is it common in Sweden that conduct reference check without any intention to offer a job? but the boss is an immigrant. just FYI

another marketing job who required financial support from government (means government pay 80% of salary offered to employee). I went to argbetformedlingen and of course a big Nej. I'm not eligible to it. but per the official website, the integration plan for immigrants are so attractive and it says i'm eligible. they just say Nej without check...

and lot other terrible experiences that i have never been went through.

my confidence collapsed and i deeply doubt my capabilities and there is always a weird feel around me about Sweden. i don't know what was that feeling.

before I achieved my master in France and have few working experiences over there. i never had similar feeling in France as I have in Sweden. i mean i'm not someone without overseas experiences. living in Paris is also difficult but those difficulties is what I'm able to overcome.

2 years means a lot to me. but I just wasted my time in Sweden.

Me and my husband didn't take any advantage of Sweden and of course will never be allowed to those advocated non-exist benefit. We don't have kid.

I was severely sick last year and i went to the vardcentral, they asked me to make appointment by telephone, and i called, the guys just asked me to take alvedon....

I wrote this as I'm depressed and i feel i fucked up my life. my husband are depressed as well but he can do nothing but carry on. if he didn't come, our financial condition and career will be much more better.

Now I'm indifferent to all the things. i finally get enrolled in SFI. when new arrived classmates talking about their life and plan in Sweden, I just listen and don't want to involve in this stupid topic.

If you don't like my real experience or feel offensive, just ignore.

I only want to share and let others who plan to move to Sweden know real life in Sweden. cause no one will tell you in advance. the silence here is horrible. maybe you will find out some regulation or entitlement in Sweden after 10 years, as people won't mention it to you only if you find yourself. and don't easily believe what was written on official website. 80% are not eligible to you.

moving here is money pit. you always been told " if you do this, you will get...then you still have to do that, then you will get..." once all done. you get nothing, don't complain, if you're not happy, get back to your country. the benefit and job opportunities belongs to Swedes only! if you're not able to please swedes, then it's your problem. it is you cannot fit in. how come Swedes take tax / money from us, exploit the labor and ask us to please them, then tell us you're not eligible to the benefit cause it is only belongs to Swedes....


i'm worried if my comments will be tracked and recorded by government. and those true comments will upset swedes and Swedish government. which will make my life more difficult. this is what i worried now even though i think it is ridicules having those feeling. if you reveal sth that is true and disgraceful that they don't want others know, you will get in trouble. here they don't punish you directly but just do it silently.







Posted by: bonviveur 12.Oct.2019, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (mayin2018 @ 12.Oct.2019, 04:17 AM) *
I'm astonished that I got same speculation as you...I always have same feeling as you after i have been living in Sweden more than one year. but I have never talked to any others... we did run out of our money and ruined our career at the meantime.

we learnt lots good things about Sweden, and of course it is one of the most beautiful country in the world in summer. but here is my experience of living in Sweden

1. i was rejected given a personal number in more than one and half year. (long story about some administration mistake) all decisions from government against each other...
2. then rejected to get enrolled in SFI
3. zero possibility to find a legal first-hand leasing contract
4. waiting in the queue of housing system and need 7 years in average to get first hand contract
5. looking for sublet and pay 10000 per month / very difficult to get long-term 2nd hand contract
6. ran out of all the money my husband brought from home country
7. since he's been here for almost 4 years, he has simply no way to go back. and need to get PR for earning all the money back. but according to migrationsverket, if no first hand contract or own apartment. it is less possible to get us PR.
8. so ! we went to the bank in order to get a loan and decided to buy an apartment. as we all know the interest rate is interesting, and also can get tax refund for the interest of housing loan.bank just say no as I don't have a job.
9. so! we sold out our apartment in home country. and bought an apartment. and we clearly know that we still need to pay 4000 per month for only water (warm water not even included) and some invisible services and the debt that property developer owed. and we clearly know that the apartment is not ours, we have no right to rent out without forening's permission.
10. I paid 5000 for a monthly Swedish course in a private university.
11. I've been looking for a job, i did get some interview. and i do want to share this.
reception jobs in a beauty and massage shop. boss asked me for referees to do background check. i sent it to her and then no reply. after i asked, she just simply replied that the position is filled. is it common in Sweden that conduct reference check without any intention to offer a job? but the boss is an immigrant. just FYI

another marketing job who required financial support from government (means government pay 80% of salary offered to employee). I went to argbetformedlingen and of course a big Nej. I'm not eligible to it. but per the official website, the integration plan for immigrants are so attractive and it says i'm eligible. they just say Nej without check...

and lot other terrible experiences that i have never been went through.

my confidence collapsed and i deeply doubt my capabilities and there is always a weird feel around me about Sweden. i don't know what was that feeling.

before I achieved my master in France and have few working experiences over there. i never had similar feeling in France as I have in Sweden. i mean i'm not someone without overseas experiences. living in Paris is also difficult but those difficulties is what I'm able to overcome.

2 years means a lot to me. but I just wasted my time in Sweden.

Me and my husband didn't take any advantage of Sweden and of course will never be allowed to those advocated non-exist benefit. We don't have kid.

I was severely sick last year and i went to the vardcentral, they asked me to make appointment by telephone, and i called, the guys just asked me to take alvedon...

I wrote this as I'm depressed and i feel i fucked up my life. my husband are depressed as well but he can do nothing but carry on. if he didn't come, our financial condition and career will be much more better.

Now I'm indifferent to all the things. i finally get enrolled in SFI. when new arrived classmates talking about their life and plan in Sweden, I just listen and don't want to involve in this stupid topic.

If you don't like my real experience or feel offensive, just ignore.

I only want to share and let others who plan to move to Sweden know real life in Sweden. cause no one will tell you in advance. the silence here is horrible. maybe you will find out some regulation or entitlement in Sweden after 10 years, as people won't mention it to you only if you find yourself. and don't easily believe what was written on official website. 80% are not eligible to you.

moving here is money pit. you always been told " if you do this, you will get...then you still have to do that, then you will get..." once all done. you get nothing, don't complain, if you're not happy, get back to your country. the benefit and job opportunities belongs to Swedes only! if you're not able to please swedes, then it's your problem. it is you cannot fit in. how come Swedes take tax / money from us, exploit the labor and ask us to please them, then tell us you're not eligible to the benefit cause it is only belongs to Swedes...


i'm worried if my comments will be tracked and recorded by government. and those true comments will upset swedes and Swedish government. which will make my life more difficult. this is what i worried now even though i think it is ridicules having those feeling. if you reveal sth that is true and disgraceful that they don't want others know, you will get in trouble. here they don't punish you directly but just do it silently.


do not waste your time in such situation,look at other opportunities in other countrys etc., you will make it at the end, all the best

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 12.Oct.2019, 06:39 PM

People who complain that it isn't possible to get a first hand contract without a 7+ year wait is just plainly wrong!

There are many private housing associations who don't have waiting lists and also some employ a first come policy. These are not crap places either and alot of them are in good locations in major cities.

I don't think the system should change just because it isn't advantageous to foreigners. The system should work for Swedes and the rest of us just have to like it or lump it.

Posted by: Svedallas 12.Oct.2019, 08:46 PM

QUOTE (mayin2018 @ 12.Oct.2019, 04:17 AM) *
I'm astonished that I got same speculation as you...I always have same feeling as you after i have been living in Sweden more than one year. but I have never talked to any others... we did run out of our money and ruined our career at the meantime.

we learnt lots good things about Sweden, and of course it is one of the most beautiful country in the world in summer. but here is my experience of living in Sweden

1. i was rejected given a personal number in more than one and half year. (long story about some administration mistake) all decisions from government against each other...
2. then rejected to get enrolled in SFI
3. zero possibility to find a legal first-hand leasing contract
4. waiting in the queue of housing system and need 7 years in average to get first hand contract
5. looking for sublet and pay 10000 per month / very difficult to get long-term 2nd hand contract
6. ran out of all the money my husband brought from home country
7. since he's been here for almost 4 years, he has simply no way to go back. and need to get PR for earning all the money back. but according to migrationsverket, if no first hand contract or own apartment. it is less possible to get us PR.
8. so ! we went to the bank in order to get a loan and decided to buy an apartment. as we all know the interest rate is interesting, and also can get tax refund for the interest of housing loan.bank just say no as I don't have a job.
9. so! we sold out our apartment in home country. and bought an apartment. and we clearly know that we still need to pay 4000 per month for only water (warm water not even included) and some invisible services and the debt that property developer owed. and we clearly know that the apartment is not ours, we have no right to rent out without forening's permission.
10. I paid 5000 for a monthly Swedish course in a private university.
11. I've been looking for a job, i did get some interview. and i do want to share this.
reception jobs in a beauty and massage shop. boss asked me for referees to do background check. i sent it to her and then no reply. after i asked, she just simply replied that the position is filled. is it common in Sweden that conduct reference check without any intention to offer a job? but the boss is an immigrant. just FYI

another marketing job who required financial support from government (means government pay 80% of salary offered to employee). I went to argbetformedlingen and of course a big Nej. I'm not eligible to it. but per the official website, the integration plan for immigrants are so attractive and it says i'm eligible. they just say Nej without check...

and lot other terrible experiences that i have never been went through.

my confidence collapsed and i deeply doubt my capabilities and there is always a weird feel around me about Sweden. i don't know what was that feeling.

before I achieved my master in France and have few working experiences over there. i never had similar feeling in France as I have in Sweden. i mean i'm not someone without overseas experiences. living in Paris is also difficult but those difficulties is what I'm able to overcome.

2 years means a lot to me. but I just wasted my time in Sweden.

Me and my husband didn't take any advantage of Sweden and of course will never be allowed to those advocated non-exist benefit. We don't have kid.

I was severely sick last year and i went to the vardcentral, they asked me to make appointment by telephone, and i called, the guys just asked me to take alvedon...

I wrote this as I'm depressed and i feel i fucked up my life. my husband are depressed as well but he can do nothing but carry on. if he didn't come, our financial condition and career will be much more better.

Now I'm indifferent to all the things. i finally get enrolled in SFI. when new arrived classmates talking about their life and plan in Sweden, I just listen and don't want to involve in this stupid topic.

If you don't like my real experience or feel offensive, just ignore.

I only want to share and let others who plan to move to Sweden know real life in Sweden. cause no one will tell you in advance. the silence here is horrible. maybe you will find out some regulation or entitlement in Sweden after 10 years, as people won't mention it to you only if you find yourself. and don't easily believe what was written on official website. 80% are not eligible to you.

moving here is money pit. you always been told " if you do this, you will get...then you still have to do that, then you will get..." once all done. you get nothing, don't complain, if you're not happy, get back to your country. the benefit and job opportunities belongs to Swedes only! if you're not able to please swedes, then it's your problem. it is you cannot fit in. how come Swedes take tax / money from us, exploit the labor and ask us to please them, then tell us you're not eligible to the benefit cause it is only belongs to Swedes...


i'm worried if my comments will be tracked and recorded by government. and those true comments will upset swedes and Swedish government. which will make my life more difficult. this is what i worried now even though i think it is ridicules having those feeling. if you reveal sth that is true and disgraceful that they don't want others know, you will get in trouble. here they don't punish you directly but just do it silently.


You cannot move to Sweden and expect everything to be handed to you on a silver platter.
As other posters have said, it is best you find another country to suit your needs.

Also note, it will take several years to learn Swedish.

If you have no family or friends here. I suggest you move to another country.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Oct.2019, 09:15 PM

Unfortunately people who have a happy life in Sweden rarely(NEVER)post here, it would be nice to see positive experiences once in a while...

Posted by: mayin2018 12.Oct.2019, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (bonviveur @ 12.Oct.2019, 08:31 AM) *
do not waste your time in such situation,look at other opportunities in other countrys etc., you will make it at the end, all the best


thanks! i will of course leave and get back to my home country. I'm here to share my experience and find a way out.

Posted by: mayin2018 12.Oct.2019, 11:48 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 12.Oct.2019, 06:39 PM) *
People who complain that it isn't possible to get a first hand contract without a 7+ year wait is just plainly wrong!

There are many private housing associations who don't have waiting lists and also some employ a first come policy. These are not crap places either and a lot of them are in good locations in major cities.

I don't think the system should change just because it isn't advantageous to foreigners. The system should work for Swedes and the rest of us just have to like it or lump it.


i'm not complaining about the housing system. but frustrated about the second hand contract. how come people are not allowed to rent out their own apartment without permission and no more than one year? the purpose is good but it turn out the it makes it difficult to find long term apartment. and it is absolutely more expensive if rent an apartment from private housing associations. first hand housing association also apply first come policy, it is normally short term lease. the chance to get this kind of apartment is like lottery. once again just share my experience, if this make any one feel uncomfortable, just ignore. And i hope more refugees can come and settle in this country cause this is a really good destination for them. and i saw lots happy face of immigrants here as well especially when talk to Swedes. i guess they are really grateful. and Swedes really need this.

Posted by: bonviveur 13.Oct.2019, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (mayin2018 @ 13.Oct.2019, 12:48 AM) *
i'm not complaining about the housing system. but frustrated about the second hand contract. how come people are not allowed to rent out their own apartment without permission and no more than one year? the purpose is good but it turn out the it makes it difficult to find long term apartment. and it is absolutely more expensive if rent an apartment from private housing associations. first hand housing association also apply first come policy, it is normally short term lease. the chance to get this kind of apartment is like lottery. once again just share my experience, if this make any one feel uncomfortable, just ignore. And i hope more refugees can come and settle in this country cause this is a really good destination for them. and i saw lots happy face of immigrants here as well especially when talk to Swedes. i guess they are really grateful. and Swedes really need this.


totally agree, my recent experience going to state owned tändlakare - paid 2300 sek for one tooth filling,done in 20 min., was a simple one by the way no painkillers was needed during visit.
Few asylum seekers also was waiting, I believe they pay only 50sek per visit regardless condition. At SFI majority learners are asylum seekers also, when I was attending only 2 persons out of 30 circa was not applying for asylum, and many of them attending SFI for 5 years plus, while getting paid for their accomodation, free bus rides, food and cash benefits , heavily discounted healthcare etc.
still waiting to see any off them to create added value...

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 13.Oct.2019, 06:47 PM

QUOTE (bonviveur @ 13.Oct.2019, 09:42 AM) *
totally agree, my recent experience going to state owned tändlakare - paid 2300 sek for one tooth filling,done in 20 min., was a simple one by the way no painkillers was needed during visit.
Few asylum seekers also was waiting, I believe they pay only 50sek per visit regardless condition. At SFI majority learners are asylum seekers also, when I was attending only 2 persons out of 30 circa was not applying for asylum, and many of them attending SFI for 5 years plus, while getting paid for their accomodation, free bus rides, food and cash benefits , heavily discounted healthcare etc.
still waiting to see any off them to create added value...


Funny, I paid 800kr for a filling at Folktandvården with a painkilling injection.

I sometimes wonder if people on this forum live in the same Sweden that I do.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 13.Oct.2019, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (mayin2018 @ 13.Oct.2019, 12:48 AM) *
i'm not complaining about the housing system. but frustrated about the second hand contract. how come people are not allowed to rent out their own apartment without permission and no more than one year? the purpose is good but it turn out the it makes it difficult to find long term apartment. and it is absolutely more expensive if rent an apartment from private housing associations. first hand housing association also apply first come policy, it is normally short term lease. the chance to get this kind of apartment is like lottery. once again just share my experience, if this make any one feel uncomfortable, just ignore. And i hope more refugees can come and settle in this country cause this is a really good destination for them. and i saw lots happy face of immigrants here as well especially when talk to Swedes. i guess they are really grateful. and Swedes really need this.


Not all private housing associations are more expensive. The thing with private housing associations are they are generally more in line with market rates.

The reason why people can't rent out their first hand apartments is to help people get apartments. If someone doesn't need the apartment they should give it up so someone in the queue can take it. Why should people be able to have an apartment and rent it out?

Kommunal housing is like council houses in the UK except the housing arm of councils were turned into private companies. However the rents are controlled to a certain extent so they can't just increase to match the market demand.

The Moderates want to take away the rent control to enable the rents to reflect the market. They also want to make it legal for people to buy apartments to rent them out (buy to rent) which is one of the things that has screwed the UK housing market because it has turned housing into a business instead of a places to live.

People new to Sweden complain about the situation but it is for the good of the population who live here, as it should be. There are plenty of places people can go to get a 1st hand contract with little or no waiting time and they are generally 500kr a month more than a comparable kommunal housing flat.

The question is if there wasn't a housing queue how would the companies decide who should get an apartment? Racial profiling? How much money they have in the bank? The fairest way is a seniority based queue.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 15.Oct.2019, 03:25 PM

QUOTE (mayin2018 @ 12.Oct.2019, 04:17 AM) *
I'm astonished that I got same speculation as you...I always have same feeling as you after i have been living in Sweden more than one year. but I have never talked to any others... we did run out of our money and ruined our career at the meantime.

we learnt lots good things about Sweden, and of course it is one of the most beautiful country in the world in summer. but here is my experience of living in Sweden

1. i was rejected given a personal number in more than one and half year. (long story about some administration mistake) all decisions from government against each other...
2. then rejected to get enrolled in SFI
3. zero possibility to find a legal first-hand leasing contract
4. waiting in the queue of housing system and need 7 years in average to get first hand contract
5. looking for sublet and pay 10000 per month / very difficult to get long-term 2nd hand contract
6. ran out of all the money my husband brought from home country
7. since he's been here for almost 4 years, he has simply no way to go back. and need to get PR for earning all the money back. but according to migrationsverket, if no first hand contract or own apartment. it is less possible to get us PR.
8. so ! we went to the bank in order to get a loan and decided to buy an apartment. as we all know the interest rate is interesting, and also can get tax refund for the interest of housing loan.bank just say no as I don't have a job.
9. so! we sold out our apartment in home country. and bought an apartment. and we clearly know that we still need to pay 4000 per month for only water (warm water not even included) and some invisible services and the debt that property developer owed. and we clearly know that the apartment is not ours, we have no right to rent out without forening's permission.
10. I paid 5000 for a monthly Swedish course in a private university.
11. I've been looking for a job, i did get some interview. and i do want to share this.
reception jobs in a beauty and massage shop. boss asked me for referees to do background check. i sent it to her and then no reply. after i asked, she just simply replied that the position is filled. is it common in Sweden that conduct reference check without any intention to offer a job? but the boss is an immigrant. just FYI

another marketing job who required financial support from government (means government pay 80% of salary offered to employee). I went to argbetformedlingen and of course a big Nej. I'm not eligible to it. but per the official website, the integration plan for immigrants are so attractive and it says i'm eligible. they just say Nej without check...

and lot other terrible experiences that i have never been went through.

my confidence collapsed and i deeply doubt my capabilities and there is always a weird feel around me about Sweden. i don't know what was that feeling.

before I achieved my master in France and have few working experiences over there. i never had similar feeling in France as I have in Sweden. i mean i'm not someone without overseas experiences. living in Paris is also difficult but those difficulties is what I'm able to overcome.

2 years means a lot to me. but I just wasted my time in Sweden.

Me and my husband didn't take any advantage of Sweden and of course will never be allowed to those advocated non-exist benefit. We don't have kid.

I was severely sick last year and i went to the vardcentral, they asked me to make appointment by telephone, and i called, the guys just asked me to take alvedon...

I wrote this as I'm depressed and i feel i fucked up my life. my husband are depressed as well but he can do nothing but carry on. if he didn't come, our financial condition and career will be much more better.

Now I'm indifferent to all the things. i finally get enrolled in SFI. when new arrived classmates talking about their life and plan in Sweden, I just listen and don't want to involve in this stupid topic.

If you don't like my real experience or feel offensive, just ignore.

I only want to share and let others who plan to move to Sweden know real life in Sweden. cause no one will tell you in advance. the silence here is horrible. maybe you will find out some regulation or entitlement in Sweden after 10 years, as people won't mention it to you only if you find yourself. and don't easily believe what was written on official website. 80% are not eligible to you.

moving here is money pit. you always been told " if you do this, you will get...then you still have to do that, then you will get..." once all done. you get nothing, don't complain, if you're not happy, get back to your country. the benefit and job opportunities belongs to Swedes only! if you're not able to please swedes, then it's your problem. it is you cannot fit in. how come Swedes take tax / money from us, exploit the labor and ask us to please them, then tell us you're not eligible to the benefit cause it is only belongs to Swedes...


i'm worried if my comments will be tracked and recorded by government. and those true comments will upset swedes and Swedish government. which will make my life more difficult. this is what i worried now even though i think it is ridicules having those feeling. if you reveal sth that is true and disgraceful that they don't want others know, you will get in trouble. here they don't punish you directly but just do it silently.


As someone living in sweden for long time now. I must tell you sweden is a trap. They look great on the surface because they have all the international media and their own news outlets on their side. Try to find any real information in English about the actually situation of the rental market is almost impossible but of course you will find videos with 500k views on youtube about how sweden is the best country on earth all of them in English to make sure everybody can see them.

Sweden has a very obedient society who will cooperate and even lie if necessary about the actual situation. I have met swedes and when I ask them they smile and blame immigrants for the lack of housing. They smile because they know what their system is all about. They know their jobs and lives are secured because the system will do its job in beating the foreigner in the most elaborated trap on earth.

Are you french?. well I am Spanish and in my country we don't work for the system, we don't hide our problems and let me tell you I am pretty sure no other country in Europe is so passively harsh as sweden is. Problems in France and Spain and the rest of European countries are visible while in sweden and rest of scandinavian countries they just keep it quiet and thanks to their own conformist society they will just pretend nothing is happening.

When I tell swedes how bad the rental market is in sweden they smile because they know it's made like that on purpose. It's the perfect system to let people in and then get rid of competition. They use their language as a tool to prevent foreigners from getting any jobs despite swedes speak fluent English and they even falsely advertise that with English is enough to find a job when it's not true. And then the rental market is the final strike so unless you buy you will end burned out and broke.

In Spain bad things happen, many of them I don't feel proud of but in sweden... this is a cult not a country that's why so many foreigners hate sweden. Because it takes very little effort to see it's al marketing and a farce and to be honest the dark way the hide things from the rest of the world.

I guess greta thunberg will solve the rental market right?. Oh wait no she will not because, she works for the rich to control the population by using a 16 year old girl as a shield.

Posted by: champaignepapi 15.Oct.2019, 03:35 PM

Greta Thunberg lmao!!! What a f***ing moron. And everyone who's obsessed w her.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 15.Oct.2019, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (champaignepapi @ 15.Oct.2019, 04:35 PM) *
Greta Thunberg lmao!!! What a f***ing moron. And everyone who's obsessed w her.



The problem I see with her is that she is using panic and fear to take control of the youth and in some aspects it seems to be working. Just wonder who is behind financing all this marketing?.

It's a farce because if sweden actually had anything to fix the problem they wouldn't need to hide behind a girl. Tha speaks a lot about their moral values

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 15.Oct.2019, 05:29 PM

Greta Thunberg has more to do with mental health and development disabilities than the environment.

A pawn whichever way you look.

“Save the planet” is nothing new.


Posted by: Gjeebes 16.Oct.2019, 05:26 PM

Sure, but "save the planet" by an Aspergers-autism-spectrum-ocd-entitled-spoiled-self-righteous-virtue-signalling-Meatballian-brat, sponsored (with PR) by a large corporation, and riding coat-tails of rich mommy and daddy, does indeed put a new spin on it!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 16.Oct.2019, 09:27 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 16.Oct.2019, 06:26 PM) *
Sure, but "save the planet" by an Aspergers-autism-spectrum-ocd-entitled-spoiled-self-righteous-virtue-signalling-Meatballian-brat, sponsored (with PR) by a large corporation, and riding coat-tails of rich mommy and daddy, does indeed put a new spin on it!



Do you work in marketing? I like how you simplified it but still got the message across. Straight forward and no fluff.

She will do more for the rights and treatment of those within the autistic spectrum than she will for the environment. I truly commend her for that.

I think her interest in science, if you can call it that, should be nurtured and expanded... how will it be when she has lost pop culture relevance and an audience????... hopefully she doesn’t get burnt out..... from the lack of atmosphere *rimshot*



Posted by: Gjeebes 17.Oct.2019, 04:31 AM

"Do you work in marketing?"

No...but perhaps I should?

I actually don't mind the Aspergers-autism-spectrum aspects, I work with this type sometimes. And they can also be quite self-righteous, when they can focus long enough!

Basically Greta has the typical Meatballian approach, which is essentially unfit for purpose.

The whole "shame-on-you", "how dare you"..."stole my childhood" etc etc. Very dramatic, but shaming people (i.e. the Meatballian approach) is not constructive and people get resentful real fast.

Just look at how well it has worked in Meatballia, home of the "there is no biological gender" and "white pixelated" Arab criminal in the news paper (remember that gem?).

Critics have also noted that she offers no solutions, but endlessly complains about today's society and its wasteful ways.

I wonder if she cries herself to sleep each night about her CO2 footprint due to her harnessing of electronic "social media"?

I personally feel that she is the new poster-child for virtue-signalling Meatballia, in a sad attempt to vie for attention (and relevance) on the world-stage, after looking like a self-determined Muppet for several years in a row now.

They will certainly get a lot of mileage out of it, just like "Islamist nurturing" and "all men are rapists" and unqualified "feminist government".

By the way, how will she get home? Will she have to fly? Or will her parents/PR company arrange another ride on a 16 million $ super-racing yacht to shame us all again for using the only modes of transportation available to us??

Maybe she will swim?

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 18.Oct.2019, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 17.Oct.2019, 05:31 AM) *
"Do you work in marketing?"


I personally feel that she is the new poster-child for virtue-signalling Meatballia, in a sad attempt to vie for attention (and relevance) on the world-stage, after looking like a self-determined Muppet for several years in a row now.


Oh for sure. It makes me wonder what is really going on. Sad thing is, probably nothing going on, just covering up how shitty the meatball is in its “normalcy”



Posted by: jagheter 19.Oct.2019, 08:07 PM

Hi All,

I Have read most of the posts in this thread. Interesting discussion i must say.

I'm a sort of "veteran" in Sweden, have lived here for 10 years now. As Student for first 2 years. None of the Local students bothered about saying Hi or even making an eye contact. I didn't give a deep thought about it. Swedes act extremely strange with foreigners.


I think some of you were exaggerating the problems and some of you were on point. I understand that experience can be different depending on factors.

Since last couple of years I have been contemplating moving out of Sweden because as someone rightly pointed out I'm also becoming like one of these people, which I don't want to become. We are planning to become parents and both of us sort of are well settled and so it isn't wise to move out now. If my brain were in my legs I would have moved out.

Swedes are passively racist, have to agree on that. I won't say all but 80% of them. It is true for non-whites, i can confirm that. How about other Europeans? Do Swedes act weird with you guys as well?

I was running in the forest, a colleague of mine was running in the opposite direction. There was nobody else, he didn't even look at me( intentionally of course), I waved and smiled. Of course we're not stopping, that's really absurd. I act the same against him at work nowadays.All the Swedes I know very very well at work or other places never even smile when we happen to accidentally meet outside. Very stupid behaviour. I don't feel like going to crowded places these days just not to meet a Swede I know.

My manager from outside looks very neutral, atleast he acts so but he doesn't give me hike and promotions that I deserve. But gives to my localite colleagues. I speak and write almost perfect Swedish.

Neighbour's doesn't say more than HI, everyone avoids everyone.

All the liberal behaviour is just a show off outside, infront of the world. But very conservative within, which they don't show.

The end problem of all this weird behaviour by locals is, the foreigners start to hate the society. People like me who can think rationally might not do stupid things. But lot of asylum seekers or ca 20% of the population who will never integrate with society unfortunately will do stupid things. Because they have come from war torn countries and education among them is low. New Swedes don't want to integrate into the society as well. So I see lot of problems in coming years.


There are many positive things about Swedes as well.

They obey civic rules
Low corruption rate
Not aggressive racists like some of the countries
I have never seen street fights by locals
They have done a good job building the system and societ.
Outdoor loving ppl, good facilities for sports.

Well, I have a lot to say but short of time. May be next time.

Regards

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Oct.2019, 09:52 PM

People that are well adjusted and satisfied with their life in Sweden never post on TheLocal...

TheLocal is "the" place to vent, complain and rant about Sweden...

So be it...

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 20.Oct.2019, 07:46 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 19.Oct.2019, 10:52 PM) *
People that are well adjusted and satisfied with their life in Sweden never post on TheLocal...

TheLocal is "the" place to vent, complain and rant about Sweden...

So be it...



Cool story bro.

What’s your experience living in sweden?

Posted by: Gjeebes 21.Oct.2019, 04:11 AM

Well, we all know Gamla has never lived in Meatballia.

But like a transplanted Meatball, he does retain some main characteristics that would make his redneck cousins in Meatballia proud.

For example, he has nothing much to say about anything, which is almost to script for being Meatballian.

And his levels of denial are quite healthy, by Meatballian standards. For example, he has been polluting this forum for > 10 years, always with some odd expectation that he will be pleased with all those coming here, who share his misguided/biased view that Meatballia is "grand". Yet every time, he is met with comments that have yet to agree with this naïve expectation (which he surely would have lost had he ever lived there).

So, in many ways, he really is like a Meatball, through his postcard tourist-like views, his armchair-expertise about things he has never experienced, his living vicariously through other people (but only those with similar bias) and his delusional view that somehow Meatballia is all that and more.

But I would imagine that of late, he is more busy trying to formulate how he can remain an avid Trumpty Dumpty supporter, without appearing as a brainless Muppet (not that appearing as said Muppet ever bothered him previously), in light of the impending impeachment proceedings.

Posted by: djmarko 21.Oct.2019, 09:50 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 19.Oct.2019, 10:52 PM) *
People that are well adjusted and satisfied with their life in Sweden never post on TheLocal...

TheLocal is "the" place to vent, complain and rant about Sweden...

So be it...


Not exactly true! I have lived here for more than 10 years, through hard work, i live a relatively comfortable life, it does not mean we cannot come to forums like this and express our views about society.

Some experiences people have mentioned, for example seeing colleagues outside working environment and not bothering to say hi or even acknowledge your presence, I found this weird at first but got used to it, they might want to respect your space and they feel outside work, they rarely socialize with work colleagues

this is perfectly acceptable, things are different, traditions are different as well, neighbours do not say hi to each other irrespective of your background unless you have something in common, for example kids in the same day care, yes one example, they knew my girl was a midwive, so when our neighbour was expecting and went into a quick Labour in her bathroom, they threw caution to the wind and pressed our doorbell like the police, of course my girl went in there and helped her to deliver her kid on the floor!
I have seen one or 2 things about society i do not believe in but i tend not to get stressed out over things outside my control, best way to succeed is take the best of both societies and do not conform to any standard expected of you, as an individual, you have right to make your own choices, for me, the positives of living here still outweighs the negatives, until then, i stay here!

Posted by: champaignepapi 21.Oct.2019, 01:04 PM

European North Korea, literally lmao. They like comparing themselves to Japan though, lol...










...sit the f**k down.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Oct.2019, 01:18 PM

Like I said, happy people do not post here...

Posted by: champaignepapi 21.Oct.2019, 01:25 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 21.Oct.2019, 02:18 PM) *
Like I said, happy people do not post here...

Yet some of the happiest people on the planet are those with Down syndrome. You do the math bb.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Oct.2019, 03:18 PM

Like I said people happy with their life in Sweden do not post here, some say they are happy but post with negative exception...

Ergo, they are not happy...

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 21.Oct.2019, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 21.Oct.2019, 04:18 PM) *
Like I said people happy with their life in Sweden do not post here, some say they are happy but post with negative exception...

Ergo, they are not happy...


Cool story bro.

What are you unhappy about?

What is your experience living in Sweden?

What are you doing posting here?

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 21.Oct.2019, 04:16 PM

QUOTE (champaignepapi @ 21.Oct.2019, 02:04 PM) *
European North Korea, literally lmao. They like comparing themselves to Japan though, lol...










...sit the f**k down.



Only difference is that trump has respect for North Korea.

Posted by: djmarko 22.Oct.2019, 08:17 AM

Thats why its called a forum, They exist in every country worldwide, there are thousands of expat forums online, happiness or sadness cannot be used to measure how people post, when you say if you are happy, why do you people post negative things? what does this exactly mean? there are people that love to debate irrespective of living situation, even the rich and successful debate about things where they take a certain interest

This forum was started for expatriates, immigrants and the likes to brainstorm about how to survive in Sweden, ask questions just about anything, up to a certain extent, it does serve its purpose, it is also a place where people rant, some vent frustrations about living here, yes it is allowed, some go over the top, some positive, some negative, everything is allowed in here, what is my take? if you are unhappy with your situation, no amount of complaining will help, you have to do whats best for you and change the situation you find yourself in, nobody will bend backwards to help, there are over 120 countries on planet earth, also life is too short, if you want to wait 7-10 years to break into the job market, feel free to do that, that is a choice, there are many that tried it here failed and left and are now living a better life, There are some that moved here and live the good life, they rarely post in places like this, at the same time, there are also people that are living the good life and still post in here, It does not mean they are been negative

Posted by: champaignepapi 22.Oct.2019, 08:38 AM

There's a difference between being negative and being real and true to yourself. Only utterly stupid people, living in denial, can be happy all the time without realizing anything in (or about) their pathetic lives and surroundings.

Posted by: champaignepapi 22.Oct.2019, 09:01 AM

How many women regret having children as the years go by? LMAO! Take a look at the statistics. But they never speak about it, because, children are HELLA blessing and the base for a happy and fulfilled life. Yeah, my ass. *throwingup*

Just because people don't speak up, doesn't mean they're happy with their lives. It means they're either ambivalent, have no opinion or they're...Swedish.

Posted by: djmarko 22.Oct.2019, 09:47 AM

That is my point, even the rich suffer in silence, they could have all the money but still not living a fullfilled life, that is why i take objection to some that continues to stress that people that have a good life here will rarely be found here posting anything! i might not post as much as some, i might not complain as much as some but i do like to take interest in what other people say and comment as well, it might be a shared experience, in the UK, most forums like this will complain about Brexit, rise of violent crime and what not, a forum in the US will complain about rising gun crime and what not!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Oct.2019, 04:25 PM

The ratio of negative posts versus positive posts is exceptionally in favour of negativity, that cannot be denied...

Not to mention the personal degradation of the Swedish people, their lifestyle and cultural values, that also cannot be denied...


Posted by: Saywhatwhat 22.Oct.2019, 05:53 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 22.Oct.2019, 05:25 PM) *
The ratio of negative posts versus positive posts is exceptionally in favour of negativity, that cannot be denied...

Not to mention the personal degradation of the Swedish people, their lifestyle and cultural values, that also cannot be denied...


Cool story bro. What’s your point?

Just because it doesn’t match up to your truth does not mean it is any less of a truth.

What’s your truth from living in Sweden?

To add...

You are such a typical Swede unable to accept any criticism of their poor pathetic country.

Posted by: Gjeebes 22.Oct.2019, 07:22 PM

"Not to mention the personal degradation of the Swedish people, their lifestyle and cultural values, that also cannot be denied..."

No one denying that!

Your point is?

No one seems to care about that, but you, which is odd, because you have never even lived in the Greasy Meatball.

And why do you keep returning to the very place that degrades and mocks your Meatballian kin, you Trump Luvin, Window Licken, Cheese Eatin, Yankie Muppet?


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 22.Oct.2019, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 22.Oct.2019, 08:22 PM) *
"Not to mention the personal degradation of the Swedish people, their lifestyle and cultural values, that also cannot be denied..."

No one denying that!

Your point is?

No one seems to care about that, but you, which is odd, because you have never even lived in the Greasy Meatball.

And why do you keep returning to the very place that degrades and mocks your Meatballian kin, you Trump Luvin, Window Licken, Cheese Eatin, Yankie Muppet?


I really wish there was a way to mute people who use childish terms continuously.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 22.Oct.2019, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 22.Oct.2019, 06:53 PM) *
Cool story bro. What’s your point?

Just because it doesn’t match up to your truth does not mean it is any less of a truth.

What’s your truth from living in Sweden?

To add...

You are such a typical Swede unable to accept any criticism of their poor pathetic country.


Cool story sis. What's your point?

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 22.Oct.2019, 09:33 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 22.Oct.2019, 08:52 PM) *
Cool story sis. What's your point?


U mad bro?

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 22.Oct.2019, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 22.Oct.2019, 08:52 PM) *
I really wish there was a way to mute people who use childish terms continuously.



QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 22.Oct.2019, 08:52 PM) *
Cool story sis. What's your point?


?

Posted by: champaignepapi 23.Oct.2019, 12:00 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 22.Oct.2019, 05:25 PM) *
cultural values


LOL.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Oct.2019, 06:36 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 22.Oct.2019, 10:35 PM) *
?


I was referring to Gjeebes who keeps referring to Swedes as 'meatballs' and Sweden as 'Meatballia'.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Oct.2019, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 22.Oct.2019, 10:33 PM) *
U mad bro?


Quite possibly sis.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 23.Oct.2019, 07:11 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 23.Oct.2019, 07:37 PM) *
Quite possibly sis.


That’s too bad.

Posted by: ersel 23.Oct.2019, 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 14.Jun.2018, 09:08 AM) *
This must be your first job.
Find a company anywhere in the world with no politics.

Your post also sounds like you are young and immature. Truth be told.
Gossip/backstabbing, that is for kids.



QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 14.Jun.2018, 04:57 PM) *
Your post strengthen my point about everything I said about sweden.

- Arrogance.
- Passive aggressiveness.
- Rumors and trying to damage other people's image.
- We know better than you.

Then you must be the typical guy who goes to Spain to enjoy the weather and the life there...



Keep trying, your desperation amuses me.



+1 on your reply to the post of this "person".

There is an exact swedish term, in notions of the sort of passive-aggressive behaviour which borders with abuse (and his post is one fine example of it): översittarfasoner.




Posted by: ersel 23.Oct.2019, 11:22 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 14.Jun.2018, 09:37 PM) *
You need psychological help, for real. Never seen a man ashaming himself so much.

I guess mental health is an issue in sweden...

You are making my point stronger for every comment of yours.



Who knows, about that part in bold letters... Perhaps people are just using the common prejudice (?) about the country to get the education they consider viable for the job market (hence the number of people educated as psychiatrists), or there is some correlation between the graph and the reality:







 
 

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 12:01 AM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 17.Jun.2018, 11:07 AM) *
The saying You attract what you project springs to mind.


If you are classed as resident then you are entitled to residence based benefits.
If you are working and taxes paid in Sweden then you are entitled to work related benefits.


If you have a relevant university education (say - technology) they you should be classed as a viable working force. Not to say to be entitled.

Yet, when you have a foreign sounding name and surname, sometimes even difficult for swedes to pronounce (and I do not blame them at all for that minor detail, for all rational reasons), well, then the waiting time for the job is a bit longer than for those from the same class (year), who pass by with ease, while those former-mentioned are put well within their designated place - second grade citizens.

Are those the "benefits" you and your country should be pursuing, with all hyped up image projected to the outside world, or the OP and rest of the bunch here are missing a lot or perhaps are ever so slightly delusional ?

I did not come to this country to pick up the benefits. I have been working since the early age, and pursued education at the same time.

Knowing what I know today, I would have moved away from here long time ago.

And you have eloquently (even if inadvertently) pointed out the one of the cores of the problem: some people are designated to work, some others are "designated" to pick up the benefits, at best.
All with smiles from the utterly incompetent recruiters who do not even take their jobs seriously, but are lead by complete prejudice and deeply rooted bigotism, never openly pronounced, ever so subtle, yet very palpable and easy to recognise as a well rehearsed pattern.

What is even more interesting is, when those highly educated people with strange names do get the job, they keep themselves in Sweden for about a 6 months, year, couple of years, and then move abroad, elsewhere in the EU and the rest of the world.

Never to return back. Ever. Have you ever wondered why it is so ?

These people have completed their education in Sweden, at Swedish, often well renowned universities.

One could argue that the country is getting poor value for the money. It seems to be such a waste, really.




Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 12:14 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 19.Jun.2018, 08:24 PM) *
Everybody wants to work however,there is a huge discrimination in the labor market.

Employers prefer to hire natives.

I don't agree with you that those who come here come for social welfare (it is what I read in between your lines) or lazy or willingly avoid work. There is no god damn jobs. Most of the advertisements are not real (they just advertise for the sake of statistics or smth), arbetsförmedlingen is most of the time useless in finding a job. So please don't judge people.



+1 on that, not much to add.
I have been told the same thing (about the job advertisements that are not real) by the native swedes, who have been within the game since many years ago, as employers, or well connected with the recruiters, as well as with employers, within the business world.



Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 12:33 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 20.Jun.2018, 10:32 AM) *
QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 19.Jun.2018, 09:25 PM) *

But I will agree here in Sweden, there does seem to be a major shortage of low skill jobs. ie, retail, warehouse, customer service etc. Not to mention, some people think a job pays to little or is benith them. Which I have never understood. You currently have no job but you won't take a job because it doesn't pay enough? Half a loaf of bread is better than no loaf at all.


I sincerely don't believe that majority of foreigners living in sweden would avoid working for this reason. I myself have a masters degree from a swedish university, however, after failing to find a job in my field of education I took a job in warehouse with 2 months free praktik (internship). It was 104 hours a month free work I did just to get the summer job in the warehouse. I apply to both skilled and none skilled jobs. However, trust me there is a severe discrimination in both of these markets. (Sorry for typos)


Failing to find ? More like failing to be given what you would normally been given in the US or Canada.
I do have friends there, so I know.

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 20.Jun.2018, 04:47 PM) *
So many complaints from people who left their own countries to come to Sweden, it makes you wonder how bad were those countries were.

The obvious answer is to go back home or go elsewhere...Isn't it???



Yes, you are absolutely correct, 100%.
Go back home (whatever home is or used to be) or go elsewhere.
It is important to do so while one is in the viable age (not being too old to make any progress anywhere).

Sweden grants the working visas to people from India, gives them the apartments close to their working place,
yet people of foreign origin (name), even born in Sweden, get the swedish education far more complete, meritable and competent for the same job, and have a hard time getting any job within their field of profession even with masters degree.

My friends in the US, Canada, even Norway (!) (all with strange, foreign names) know nothing about that sort of problems.

So yes, you are entirely correct, and all of the foreigners should take your advice with utter seriousness.


Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 01:16 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 21.Oct.2019, 04:18 PM) *
Like I said people happy with their life in Sweden do not post here, some say they are happy but post with negative exception...

Ergo, they are not happy...


Some people write before they think, or not think at all, or they are not able to function on any intellectual level worth mentioning... (bias does prevent that, very often).

Ergo, they are ... (do the math).

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 02:50 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 20.Jun.2018, 11:46 PM) *
The average amount of time it takes before immigrants find work in Sweden is 7 years. Until then, they subsist on the taxpayer's dole. Some enrichment...



Nice one.

One solution to that problem might be to cut that average time to be given work (not find it, since finding it is irrelevant, since the foreigner ofter gets discarded) to 1-2 years at most.

But of course, we all do know that most of the business and company owners in Sweden are immigrants, and not native inhabitants, biggrin.gif , so they are probably doing that on purpose, just to derail the country altogether.

It is really enriching for the people who came unknowingly to the country to be put on the shelf for 7-25 or over 30 years, having crap jobs never corresponding to their competence nor demeanor, and then getting laid off and being put on the benefit shelf. Some enrichment for their lives, indeed...

Taxpayer's dole in your own country has bought you one of the coldest and worst healthcare services, which has been popularly deemed as completely collapsed, or low-ish retirement base-income, in one of the worst (this has been documented) decisions ever made on retirement plans by any modern western hemisphere state.

Yet, the root cause of all of your problems are immigrants - "enrichments", who, according to your underpinning message here, seem to run the show and are invading the country as predators, keen on social benefits (despite their high education) and keen on not working for full 7 or more years and living the glam life in a warm and generous social and physical climate...

I mean, really... blink.gif

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 03:59 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 06:37 PM) *
I can speak fluent Swedish, have a master's degree from Swedish university, a bachelor degree from my homeland's university, a non-degree university certificate from a european university plus high school certificate from US, no criminal record, no debts to government, etc. But guess what, wherever I turn for a job answer is "nej, tack".


QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.Jun.2018, 09:43 AM) *
You would need at least 3-5 years work experience from a Swedish company to compete.
You are not getting jobs, because you have NO full time experience! Your are in a competitive market.
So it is not a surprise that you are not getting anywhere...you are kind of wrong to just blame Sweden for not getting work. You have no merit.


QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 06:37 PM) *
I even applied for a job in arbetsförmedlingen and skatteverket. But to my surprise they preferred to hire some arabic people instead but not me (p.s. I am glad for them, not jelous or smth). Oh I forgot to mention that I speak 6 languages. Now could you please help me to understand why am I having a hard time landing a job?


He does understand it:

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.Jun.2018, 09:43 AM) *
...you are kind of wrong to just blame Sweden for not getting work. You have no merit.


On the other hand, the people @Am89 mentions (arabs and those with funny accents, poor skills in swedish language and questionable demeanor do get employed there, instead of @Am89, since they obviously have those "merits" he - obviously biggrin.gif lacks, precisely for the work at the state authorities such as arbetsförmedlingen and skatteverket. (despite what he has listed - educations, etc.) Geez... biggrin.gif

QUOTE (Am89 @ 28.Jun.2018, 06:37 PM) *
Btw. I applied for some jobs in London and directly got invited to interviews, however, here in Sweden no employer is interested even to invite me for an interview.

In my opinion, there is an obvious bias and discrimination in labor market. If eliminated, a lot of educated refugees/immigrants could get jobs rather than being a burden on society.


Don't worry, since @Svedallas judgement here implies that London and the UK are inferior and far less competitive than Sweden in terms of job market and opportunities, there you have a solid explanation for why and how things are as they are. Including that instance of getting the job interviews in London.

But, what the heck, some of the people went even further than you did.
They went to London (two of them) after 10+ years after getting the degrees in Sweden, with dentist and pharmacist degree, driving the cabs in Sweden and being unemployed in revolving periods.

Both interviews eventually ended up in those people getting jobs. One has his dental/dentist clinic, the other is / was appointed as the manager of the local pharmacy. The dentist and his wife live in a house with 3 cars and feel no bitterness towards the country who has kept them marginalised for so many years, just a note of sorrow due to never making it in Sweden.

This has been documented long time ago, in swedish documentary called "Kalla Fakta" at the TV4 - one of the major swedish tv channels.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.Jun.2018, 09:43 AM) *
Good luck


Adding an insult to an injury, at the end of such ignorant post, is generally a poor practice that gets easily recognised by anyone with an ounce of brain. No matter how well (or rather cheaply) packaged it appears to be.

Posted by: gsurya 24.Oct.2019, 05:04 AM

QUOTE (ersel @ 23.Oct.2019, 11:33 PM) *
Sweden grants the working visas to people from India, gives them the apartments close to their working place,
yet people of foreign origin (name), even born in Sweden, get the swedish education far more complete, meritable and competent for the same job, and have a hard time getting any job within their field of profession even with masters degree.


This makes no sense, why would any employer in Sweden hire someone from India though an "equivalent" competence/experience can be found in Sweden - with language being such a big barrier here?

For example, my company in Sweden has been looking for a technology consultant in our software product area for several weeks now, and we have ZERO applications from Europe, forget Sweden, but have several applications from India, Pakistan, Middle East...

The fact is that tech companies require quite niche skills and experience and cannot always afford to take trainees from the Swedish market and skill them up! In a globally competitive world, companies need talent and skills from wherever they can find it.

Posted by: djmarko 24.Oct.2019, 07:52 AM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 24.Oct.2019, 06:04 AM) *
This makes no sense, why would any employer in Sweden hire someone from India though an "equivalent" competence/experience can be found in Sweden - with language being such a big barrier here?

For example, my company in Sweden has been looking for a technology consultant in our software product area for several weeks now, and we have ZERO applications from Europe, forget Sweden, but have several applications from India, Pakistan, Middle East...

The fact is that tech companies require quite niche skills and experience and cannot always afford to take trainees from the Swedish market and skill them up! In a globally competitive world, companies need talent and skills from wherever they can find it.


I work in a niche IT sector and can agree that there is a lack of skilled people in Sweden with these highly sought after skillset, Around Stockholm for example, it is not unusual to see lots of Indian IT consultants getting these highly paid jobs and part of the agreement bringing them over is to provide accommodation, this is arranged by the employer not the government! There was a survey a few years back and most Swedes will not consider IT as a degree, even though things are changing now, where i work now, majority of our technical skilled consultants are from outside Sweden! They have to hire the best irrespective of race, creed or religion, Trainees? please forget about it, it will take several years to become experienced in my role

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 07:54 AM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 24.Oct.2019, 06:04 AM) *
This makes no sense, why would any employer in Sweden hire someone from India though an "equivalent" competence/experience can be found in Sweden - with language being such a big barrier here?

For example, my company in Sweden has been looking for a technology consultant in our software product area for several weeks now, and we have ZERO applications from Europe, forget Sweden, but have several applications from India, Pakistan, Middle East...

The fact is that tech companies require quite niche skills and experience and cannot always afford to take trainees from the Swedish market and skill them up! In a globally competitive world, companies need talent and skills from wherever they can find it.


So you are telling me that there are no applicants well versed in - say - C++ here locally, but somehow magically your company gets a number of applications from India, Pakistan, Middle East ??
Interesting... very interesting... your job ads appear here in Sweden as well, and you employ first hand, and not via recruiting companies as an in-between screening facility?

I would claim that I do not buy into anything that you are saying here, not because that I do not want to, but because of this line in your comment :
QUOTE (gsurya @ 24.Oct.2019, 06:04 AM) *
"The fact is that tech companies require quite niche skills and experience and cannot always afford to take trainees from the Swedish market and skill them up"


That particular line is a bunch of h-sh... and taking a very easy way out, very convenient.
How come companies in the US have time to "skill up" the graduates who - by all chance - already are competent (even niche) within some software and programming language, (which can in our examply be only sugar coated by some fancy name, but is by its structure and content just a rehash of a few things already taught at Swedish Universities of Technology).

The problem I have described is very well known, and in programming world it is well known about the quality of the education in that certain field here and there.

I have a friend in the US who cites numerous (huge) problems with people from that part of the world which boils down in two things: flat out incompetence (and this shows in some cases to have taken the extreme proportions) for the job in question (some sort of real-time data mining job, which involves practical applications of data-bases), faked CV-s, fake diplomas - covered up for the eventual check-ups by the corrupted system in those countries, people working in large groups based on ethnicity in order to get the job done, and yet doing the job that would normally take few days in three or more weeks, causing numerous problems in the company and at work.
These are the real facts and encounters and not something I have made up, or he did, and the management of this (huge) company he is working within is fully aware of the problem.

Some companies here do not even look for the talent here locally, but that is for entirely different reasons, that COULD have more to do with the cost of the swedish employee or trainee vs. cost of someone with working visa. But sure, nice going.

People with degrees taken here, as noted earlier from one member, apply in the UK for the same jobs and get calls for the interviews, while nothing here, for similar or same jobs.

You get, with the same degree, job easier abroad than here in Sweden, after taking a Swedish university degree.
Lack of talent, I bet... right... biggrin.gif

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 08:01 AM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 24.Oct.2019, 08:52 AM) *
I work in a niche IT sector and can agree that there is a lack of skilled people in Sweden with these highly sought after skillset, Around Stockholm for example, it is not unusual to see lots of Indian IT consultants getting these highly paid jobs and part of the agreement bringing them over is to provide accommodation, this is arranged by the employer not the government! There was a survey a few years back and most Swedes will not consider IT as a degree, even though things are changing now, where i work now, majority of our technical skilled consultants are from outside Sweden! They have to hire the best irrespective of race, creed or religion, Trainees? please forget about it, it will take several years to become experienced in my role



What is your educational background, and from what university ?




Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 08:06 AM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 24.Oct.2019, 08:52 AM) *
There was a survey a few years back and most Swedes will not consider IT as a degree, even though things are changing now, ...


Generally considered to be one of the toughest, if not the toughest course of studies (as in full time masters programs) at KTH and Chalmers in Sweden, so I personally, knowing that, would give a rat's ass about what most Swedes consider to constitute a degree or not, having in mind their degree of general literacy, both IT and non-IT.
Put the camera next to the ticket selling machine at any train station, at least several years ago, and you will get the sense of what I am talking about.

Posted by: djmarko 24.Oct.2019, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (ersel @ 24.Oct.2019, 09:01 AM) *
What is your educational background, and from what university ?


went to university in the UK but this does not have any bearings on the IT sector that i have been working with since 1998!You simply do not pluck kids out from university and teach them on the job, many consulting firms in Sweden have tried this formula before but had to stop due to the high demands from the clients, I to went through the same issue back in the UK, lack of experience but i had to accept roles far away from London in order to build my skill set, some consultancies like Cap Gemini or Accenture for example, they have a graduate program for a selected few, try to train them up ( bearing in mind, training and certification in my area cost an arm and leg)send them to clients on a good salary for a graduate ( around 30-35K mark) but charges the client 4 times more in terms of hourly rate, once these graduates take on a full project and understand the ins and outs, they leave the consultancy and join smaller ones on higher salaries, that is why these big consultancies have stopped these programs! I have been here for over 10 years and i only work in huge multi-national companies that can afford this business software, their demands are so high, for this reason, they only look for highly skilled experienced consultants, if there are any Swedish people with this skill set, they get snapped up immediately! learning on the job? sorry not a chance, perhaps i am wrong, only a few decent companies will take this risk, other areas of IT like C++, i do not really know what goes on in this sector but i will assume its quite similar to my area

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 08:21 AM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 24.Oct.2019, 09:17 AM) *
went to university in the UK but this does not have any bearings on the IT sector that i have been working with since 1998!You simply do not pluck kids out from university and teach them on the job, many consulting firms in Sweden have tried this formula before but had to stop due to the high demands from the clients, I to went through the same issue back in the UK, lack of experience but i had to accept roles far away from London in order to build my skill set, some consultancies like Cap Gemini or Accenture for example, they have a graduate program for a selected few, try to train them up ( bearing in mind, training and certification in my area cost an arm and leg)send them to clients on a good salary for a graduate ( around 30-35K mark) but charges the client 4 times more in terms of hourly rate, once these graduates take on a full project and understand the ins and outs, they leave the consultancy and join smaller ones on higher salaries, that is why these big consultancies have stopped these programs! I have been here for over 10 years and i only work in huge multi-national companies that can afford this business software, their demands are so high, for this reason, they only look for highly skilled experienced consultants, if there are any Swedish people with this skill set, they get snapped up immediately! learning on the job? sorry not a chance, perhaps i am wrong, only a few decent companies will take this risk, other areas of IT like C++, i do not really know what goes on in this sector but i will assume its quite similar to my area


Thanks, a lot of valuable info from you, appreciate that your are that open and share it with us.

Couple of questions:
-Do you think you would have been able to pursue the same course of action(s) here in Sweden at the same time (1998-ish), if even today, in building your skillset?

- Have you done any work in functional programming languages ?

Posted by: djmarko 24.Oct.2019, 08:35 AM

Couple of questions:
-Do you think you would have been able to pursue the same course of action(s) here in Sweden at the same time (1998-ish), if even today, in building your skillset?

- Have you done any work in functional programming languages ?

1- Most likely, it depends on one mentality and drive to succeed, I have a few friends from immigrant backgrounds in Sweden that have done just there and today, they have thriving careers within IT and other sectors, Today my market is slightly competitive in Stockholm but i am still willing to take roles outside Stockholm, i currently work outside Stockholm but part remote
2- I am a functional consultant, so i do not have programming language skills, The technical guys in my sector are majority Indians and some Swedes as well, there are different areas within my field, either you are a functional or technical guy, there are some with both skillsets

Like i said, there is a lack of experienced consultants in my field and i do advice friends to consider a career in my area but due to the high training costs and some without the necessary mentality to graft, they simply do not bother, so these companies have to hire from outside the country, in fact not just limited to Sweden, most countries worldwide hire the best irrespective of nationality

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 08:46 AM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 24.Oct.2019, 09:35 AM) *
Couple of questions:
-Do you think you would have been able to pursue the same course of action(s) here in Sweden at the same time (1998-ish), if even today, in building your skillset?

- Have you done any work in functional programming languages ?

1- Most likely, it depends on one mentality and drive to succeed, I have a few friends from immigrant backgrounds in Sweden that have done just there and today, they have thriving careers within IT and other sectors, Today my market is slightly competitive in Stockholm but i am still willing to take roles outside Stockholm, i currently work outside Stockholm but part remote
2- I am a functional consultant, so i do not have programming language skills, The technical guys in my sector are majority Indians and some Swedes as well, there are different areas within my field, either you are a functional or technical guy, there are some with both skillsets

Like i said, there is a lack of experienced consultants in my field and i do advice friends to consider a career in my area but due to the high training costs and some without the necessary mentality to graft, they simply do not bother, so these companies have to hire from outside the country, in fact not just limited to Sweden, most countries worldwide hire the best irrespective of nationality


Thanks, best to take this exchange of info elsewhere, since we are risking to derail the thread.

To shed some perspective, I have applied to one of those programs you have mentioned (the type of Cap Gemini and other niched consulting companies internal programs) and passed the first test (one of the few, reportedly).
The next step required was the motivational letter, which was truly the easy part.

The company gave the notion of one being selected and shoe-in at that stage.

They never informed about the outcome, neither yes nor no, no notification whatsoever, as if one does not exist.
On my subsequent query to them on the follow-up and information, they have apologized and promised to call back and send the mail with explanation.

Which they never did.

So no, it is not the equal play field, and I am not sure you would be having the same (easy) time building that skill set here as you have had in the UK. I have friends there and I know about the differences, I have written (as some other participants have done in this thread) about UK vs. Sweden for graduates with swedish degrees.

Some people have succeeded, you tend to hear about them. Those who perish do so in very quiet mode here, you do not tend to hear about it. It is not that popular, nor highly advertised.
This has been, in other words, already described (outward projection of the info about the country and the labour market) in this thread.



Posted by: djmarko 24.Oct.2019, 09:04 AM

QUOTE (ersel @ 24.Oct.2019, 09:21 AM) *
Thanks, a lot of valuable info from you, appreciate that your are that open and share it with us.

Couple of questions:
-Do you think you would have been able to pursue the same course of action(s) here in Sweden at the same time (1998-ish), if even today, in building your skillset?

- Have you done any work in functional programming languages ?



QUOTE (ersel @ 24.Oct.2019, 09:46 AM) *
Thanks, best to take this exchange of info elsewhere, since we are risking to derail the thread.

To shed some perspective, I have applied to one of those programs you have mentioned (the type of Cap Gemini and other niched consulting companies internal programs) and passed the first test (one of the few, reportedly).
The next step required was the motivational letter, which was truly the easy part.

The company gave the notion of one being selected and shoe-in at that stage.

They never informed about the outcome, neither yes nor no, no notification whatsoever, as if one does not exist.
On my subsequent query to them on the follow-up and information, they have apologized and promised to call back and send the mail with explanation.

Which they never did.

So no, it is not the equal play field, and I am not sure you would be having the same (easy) time building that skill set here as you have had in the UK. I have friends there and I know about the differences, I have written (as some other participants have done in this thread) about UK vs. Sweden for graduates with swedish degrees.

Some people have succeeded, you tend to hear about them. Those who perish do so in very quiet mode here, you do not tend to hear about it. It is not that popular, nor highly advertised.
This has been, in other words, already described (outward projection of the info about the country and the labour market) in this thread.


You are not derailing this thread at all! funny enough, i got headhunted by Cap, Accenture and Deloitte for a perm role, went through the interview process, asked about my salary expectations, perhaps that scared them off! no response till this very day haha! a couple of months later, Cap tried to headhunt me again but i reminded them what happened earlier and told them i am not interested!
I decided to start my own company ( Aktiebolag ) so i freelance really, it is still possibly to succeed, Linkedin has played a huge role in my career, i have done so much networking through there, perhaps you should change course and try other methods, what IT area are you skilled in?

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 09:15 AM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 24.Oct.2019, 10:04 AM) *
You are not derailing this thread at all! funny enough, i got headhunted by Cap, Accenture and Deloitte for a perm role, went through the interview process, asked about my salary expectations, perhaps that scared them off! no response till this very day haha! a couple of months later, Cap tried to headhunt me again but i reminded them what happened earlier and told them i am not interested!
I decided to start my own company ( Aktiebolag ) so i freelance really, it is still possibly to succeed, Linkedin has played a huge role in my career, i have done so much networking through there, perhaps you should change course and try other methods, what IT area are you skilled in?


Yes, we are in fact derailing the thread a bit.

Send a pm, if you do not mind, or give me a green light to send you a pm.

Posted by: djmarko 24.Oct.2019, 09:22 AM

QUOTE (ersel @ 24.Oct.2019, 10:15 AM) *
Yes, we are in fact derailing the thread a bit.

Send a pm, if you do not mind, or give me a green light to send you a pm.


feel free, derail is big word! instead of people complaining, we should give each other tips to succeed as well in Sweden, if derailing the thread is the course of action, so be it! it is not enough to complain, we need solutions as well, sure many in here will agree with me hopefully

send me a PM!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 24.Oct.2019, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 24.Oct.2019, 10:22 AM) *
feel free, derail is big word! instead of people complaining, we should give each other tips to succeed as well in Sweden, if derailing the thread is the course of action, so be it! it is not enough to complain, we need solutions as well, sure many in here will agree with me hopefully

send me a PM!


Can’t derail a train that isn’t moving.

Is there even anything on the tracks?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Oct.2019, 04:48 PM

QUOTE (ersel @ 24.Oct.2019, 04:59 AM) *
He does understand it:



On the other hand, the people @Am89 mentions (arabs and those with funny accents, poor skills in swedish language and questionable demeanor do get employed there, instead of @Am89, since they obviously have those "merits" he - obviously biggrin.gif lacks, precisely for the work at the state authorities such as arbetsförmedlingen and skatteverket. (despite what he has listed - educations, etc.) Geez... biggrin.gif



Don't worry, since @Svedallas judgement here implies that London and the UK are inferior and far less competitive than Sweden in terms of job market and opportunities, there you have a solid explanation for why and how things are as they are. Including that instance of getting the job interviews in London.

But, what the heck, some of the people went even further than you did.
They went to London (two of them) after 10+ years after getting the degrees in Sweden, with dentist and pharmacist degree, driving the cabs in Sweden and being unemployed in revolving periods.

Both interviews eventually ended up in those people getting jobs. One has his dental/dentist clinic, the other is / was appointed as the manager of the local pharmacy. The dentist and his wife live in a house with 3 cars and feel no bitterness towards the country who has kept them marginalised for so many years, just a note of sorrow due to never making it in Sweden.

This has been documented long time ago, in swedish documentary called "Kalla Fakta" at the TV4 - one of the major swedish tv channels.



Adding an insult to an injury, at the end of such ignorant post, is generally a poor practice that gets easily recognised by anyone with an ounce of brain. No matter how well (or rather cheaply) packaged it appears to be.


I am IT too, I have been applying for IT jobs since I arrived. I have been in sweden for more than 4 years now. I have got some phone calls but then only excuses. I have applied for more than 200+ jobs. Even tried to lower the bar and seek other jobs... never succeeded in getting jobs on my own either as IT or any other field.

I have had full time jobs although was through connections not on my own and these jobs were below my actual skill set.

In my previous job I had a college, he was swede. He had no idea about computers or Network administration. He had a friend who was looking for someone to work as IT technical, he did a 2 week course and got the job. I have applied for the same job as he got and despite I had previous experience, never had a chance.

I tried to apply for jobs in another EU country in which people have English as second language. I got phone calls of companies interested in me.
I haven't left yet due to personal reasons, but seeing how the job market is in sweden most likely this will be my last 9 months in this country. Finding a job in sweden as a foreigner is becoming impossible. It's insulting how swedes say that only poorly educated people cannot find a job in sweden. That's not only a lie but shows their arrogance.

Sweden is a cult and despite they say they are tolerant and equal, they continuously segregate people by age, name, nationality and background. Sweden is just marketing and they win because they spend a lot of money abroad in promoting themselves as an open country when it's not true.

I have met people who had worked in 7 different countries and told by themselves, they were shocked to see how closed minded swedes are to not give jobs to foreigners even unskilled ones.
In other countries you can manage to find unskilled jobs or anything even with English, In sweden everybody speaks perfect English but finding a job without swedish is almost impossible.

Sweden is a lie, they pretend to be what they are not. This is a country that has lived out of their own false marketing and the reason why so many people leave hating sweden is because of that misleading marketing.

Sweden is a solitary place where swedes know perfectly how harsh their system is. If the rental market doesn't destroy your wallet then the job market and swedes know it and they like how their system is designed because they know most people will leave.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Oct.2019, 09:30 PM

A ship was sunk and a motley assortment of passengers arrived on the shore of a desolate and deserted island...

Years went by and eventually they were discovered and saved...

During their time on the island, it was discovered that the Englishmen created a football league, the Italians created a winery, the french opened a restaurant, the Germans formed an army and provided police protection and the Swedes???

They are still waiting to be introduced!!!

Love 'em or leave that's how it is!!!

You wanted to live among them they didn't move to you!!!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Oct.2019, 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Oct.2019, 10:30 PM) *
You wanted to live among them they didn't move to you!!!


Most marketing about sweden does not mention the reality of finding rentals in sweden, what life is like if you work with them. Or how people ignore you if you even say hi. Nobody will know that swedes live in their bubbles. Atomized society.

I agree with your statement, we cannot change them, but you have to admit most of the marketing about sweden we see abroad is misleading and that makes people like me make the wrong move.

People who never been to sweden have no idea about the real rental market. The queues, the second hand rentals, the scams. How government stalls any attempt to fix the rental market because after all the lack of rentals is a business model to destroy as much foreign competition as possible. They don't know how close minded swedish companies are to hire foreigners unless you belong to the "cool" and "accepted" group swedes like because that enhances their image. People who never visited sweden don't know about the lack of eye contact and people try to ignore each other to the extreme. How women are open and look at you only when they are drunk or if you fit with the blond blue eye pattern.

People abroad only hear that sweden is the most progressive country on earth when the reality is, it's all a farce.

It's ok if they want their country for themselves and be a pure place where only swedish is allowed to be spoken at work but please tell them to stop lying because this country is a farce.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Oct.2019, 10:17 PM

The problem is people think some other place is better than what they have and want to get a better life...So they go elsewhere and then find they do not like their decision and cannot cope with their new life, so they blame the native population for their misjudgement of what life is away from their home, they never blame themselves for not adjusting and fitting in!!!

When you "screw up" you play the "CYA" game and blame others!!!

Posted by: ersel 24.Oct.2019, 11:30 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Oct.2019, 11:17 PM) *
The problem is people think some other place is better than what they have and want to get a better life...So they go elsewhere and then find they do not like their decision and cannot cope with their new life, so they blame the native population for their misjudgement of what life is away from their home, they never blame themselves for not adjusting and fitting in!!!

When you "screw up" you play the "CYA" game and blame others!!!



Wait a second, Gamla, there is something to the post that you are completely discarding and denying what he says.

He is a foreigner, all right. But many people with foreign origin stayed in the country for far longer and say the same things, even when they are well integrated into the society, have stable situation with job, accomodation, etc.

Swedes themselves often cite the same things, move abroad and choose to live elsewhere. They are themselves open-minded and "criticise" what they consider to be negative, backwards and retrograde in terms of development - social, physical, mental and spiritual. No one came to the country with the notion of hatred of swedes or scandinavians, quite the opposite, actually. It is a grave mistake to believe that people here do not have in them a constructive criticism with the aim to improve things, make life better not just for themselves, but for all people in the country. I personally have zero interest or will to change swedes into something that they are not, against their nature, that would be totally absurd, this is not about that at all.

Zlatan Ibrahimovic is born Swede, made country known (again) in his own way, etc.

He cited some of the same things (sadly), to my great surprise when I have read the lengthy interview with him at expressen.se. He mentioned the word "sect"; the poster before you mentions the word "cult". The content of all interview with him, and details from his career and what he was forced to put up with just sadly resemble what some of the people in this thread have repeatedly mentioned.

You cannot just summarily blame someone, or anyone who has been brushed summarily aside (which is sadly the case) the same way none of us can say with the hand on her/his heart that all swedes are the same, because they are not, people are individuals and should be taken and treated by individuals, not as groups

If this principal was followed and adopted in reality, and if there was ever a serious departure from this collectivistic approach or doctrine, or fear - call it whatever you want, we would never have to discuss things like this, or at least not half of it.

There were some statistics about the working labour - situation of people vs. their origin - across the EU - cited in this thread. You cannot deny those, since those are the cold facts.


Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Oct.2019, 12:31 AM

People not liking Sweden be they "Swedish" are not would be better off moving to a place better suited to their ideas...

Complaining about things you do not like will not change anything, Sweden was created for Swedes by Swedes, it's just the way it is and there is no such thing as "creative" criticism of a culture you do not agree with!!!

Being Swedish or any other nationality does not come from just being born in a country...

Posted by: ersel 25.Oct.2019, 12:52 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 25.Oct.2019, 01:31 AM) *
People not liking Sweden be they "Swedish" are not would be better off moving to a place better suited to their ideas...

Complaining about things you do not like will not change anything, Sweden was created for Swedes by Swedes, it's just the way it is and there is no such thing as "creative" criticism of a culture you do not agree with!!!

Being Swedish or any other nationality does not come from just being born in a country...


That post alone, in its entirety, qualifies you, as backwards, retrograde, bigoted in the worst possible way, against any change or progress, which is debilitating for any country, any person, any normal or sane being, be he swedish or foreign or whatever. It is just an appalling display of what is sadly known as "jantelagen".

It is not "complaining", it is citing the things as they are in reality, in real life, not in your preconceived backwards thesis about the long gone "folkhemmet", it does not exist any longer. Thing progress and change.
Who are you or any of us to deny reality ?

It is not "creative" criticism, you are misquoting and being utterly ignorant time after time, the word used was "constructive", put it in your narrow mind once and for all, and open the ears and eyes when you attempt to communicate with other people .

It is not a "culture" anyone here disagrees with, it is all the negative, backwards, stale and rotten, and ultimately wrong that people disagree with and protest against, with all due right !

What are you going to do, forbid them to do that and send them across the border, or try here to all eternity to shut them up? What on earth is your problem? Have you completely lost it or what ?

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 25.Oct.2019, 01:31 AM) *
there is no such thing as "creative" criticism of a culture you do not agree with!!!


Really?
Who decides that ? You ? Some authority, comission, perhaps swedish constitution, which is a democracy ?
Are you familiar with swedish constitution (grundlagar och statsskick) to begin with ? Just in order to see and realise on what collision course with all of it you are when you spit out such outright nonsense and obnoxiousness ?

Sweden was created by swedes ? Well, knowing the history of the big cities, many of the capital buildings in them were built by Scotts and Dutch, would you believe it (check the facts).
Bernadotte is french surname, and that is the origin of the swedish royal family, who came originally from France, as far as I remember.

To turn the tables in your, well rehearsed fashion, let me give you some of your own medicine:

People not liking this thread are better off packing their keyboard and moving out of here. What are you doing here? How does that feel ?

Or how about this:

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 25.Oct.2019, 01:31 AM) *
People not liking Sweden be they "Swedish" or not would be better off moving to a place better suited to their ideas...


You mean, in the fashion of handing in out to the jews and others who happened to be in "disagreement" in Germany during the Hitlers rise to the power and years in power there ?

You would advise even to swedes, native ones, who do not conform to your views to leave the country ?

Man, you declare yourself, per definition, and openly, as a hard core something, you can fill in the dots...


Posted by: ersel 25.Oct.2019, 12:57 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 25.Oct.2019, 01:31 AM) *
Being Swedish or any other nationality does not come from just being born in a country...


No, it actually does come from having a citizenship and being born in a country. So get over your delusions.
You are ill educated, ignorant, and pushing your agenda(s) as truths, when in reality you spit out technically completely incorrect things that are not even a subject for any debate or discussion.

The moment you achieve your wishes - your goal - the society of a certain (darker) colour (reminiscent of poop)
is the moment you have lost, big time. Your tragedy is that you are not realizing that and that you have learnt nothing from history.




Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Oct.2019, 02:07 AM

You are funny!!!

So you think it is alright for a person to criticize the cultural habits of millions of people because he does not agree with them and then calls it constructive???

Especially since he left behind his cultural habits when he decided to live amongst the Swedish peoples or any other people for that matter...

A person that compares another culture using standards that he himself abandoned is truly comedic ...

Making popcorn now and laughing!!!

Keep it coming!!!

look up the words, adjusting, assimilating and "when in Rome, etc"...You do know what I mean, maybe not, it does not matter... laugh.gif

Posted by: Gjeebes 25.Oct.2019, 03:31 AM

"Especially since he left behind his cultural habits"

Haha, people don't leave behind their cultural habits. Only someone with a grade 4 education could get stuck in such an ill-equipped, grossly ignorant, mentality.

You would know that Gamla, if you had ever lived somewhere else, and/or had stayed in school.

But you go girl, you kindly provide the typical ignorance you Muricuhns are well-known for.

The horse turd does not fall far from the Trump.

Posted by: ersel 25.Oct.2019, 03:57 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 25.Oct.2019, 03:07 AM) *
You are funny!!!

So you think it is alright for a person to criticize the cultural habits of millions of people because he does not agree with them and then calls it constructive???

Especially since he left behind his cultural habits when he decided to live amongst the Swedish peoples or any other people for that matter...

A person that compares another culture using standards that he himself abandoned is truly comedic ...

Making popcorn now and laughing!!!

Keep it coming!!!

look up the words, adjusting, assimilating and "when in Rome, etc"...You do know what I mean, maybe not, it does not matter... laugh.gif



One of the problems people of your (primitive and moronic) mentality have is the need to "assimilate" those who you consider to be "others".
I am very well familiar with the word "assimilate" and would have never used it on anyone in my own home country, and that is where the difference of my essence and your essence is - you are intolerant bigot, single- and narrow minded, primitive and backwards, ill-educated, with narrow views. Integrate - yes, but to assimilate the grown up person and deprive him of his own cultural background and habit is to cause the damage to that human being and deny his own values and culture.
And while we are at it, actually, one thing I like less then even you in Sweden is the "tolerance" ("flathet") of obnoxious, despicable and disgusting and violent behaviour exerted publicly, not seldom by the people of foreign origin, but born in Sweden, or newly arrived immigrants, often due to the fear of being called racist, or due to the sheer lack of civil courage and lack of determination to set things right and show that some stuff is never to be tolerated in one normal and civilised society. To me, that is one of the big problem your country has today. You do not mention that sort of failure to integrate those people, or get the message through to them what is ok, and what is not ok and never ever acceptable, but find instead the everlasting need to spit on us here, because we want to make things better? That, instead, is unacceptable to you? Great job !

The examples of how some elderly people of your mentality, and sadly of your origin, use the notion of "when in Rome" have been shown in documentaries on Swedish national TV, where they in front of camera call the native people (Portuguese and Spaniards) in those countries, where they spent their own retirement days - for "apes". This is well known and documented.
So do not preach to me about adapting to the country where I reside, I did that from the day one, you moron.
If you were ever following your own guidelines in regard to the place you reside in (you are not in Sweden, right ?) you would have never ever, in the first place, even thought about writing such stupidities not even worth the mental level of the child in the third year of elementary school.

Of course it is alright to "criticise" anyones cultural habits, that's called open discussion and there has never been anything wrong with it, any sane person does that regarding the negative habits in his own country, so why should there be any prohibition on doing so anywhere else ? I would be first to point out wrong things in my country of origin, and say to you that you were right if things you pointed out there, or somewhere else were indeed wrong.
Such way of thinking belongs to the free, normal intellectual mind, but that notion seems to be completely beyond you.

I can give you a little of "your own medicine" back, since you often want to see yourselves as a moral superpower, readily giving advice to the rest of the world, while sadly not keeping internally to the same high moral standards:

Remember recent visit of the Canadian professor and psychologist Jordan Peterson to Sweden ?
Former swedish foreign minister has greeted him with a certain welcome phrase upon his visit.
So from me to you, in her own words, and with a slight touch of "karma":
"You should crawl back beneath the stone you crept up from".

Posted by: djmarko 25.Oct.2019, 09:20 AM

Sweden is primarily an export driven market, which means, they have to think internationally, gear its policies towards making their goods and product competitive in the international market, some of these world renowned Swedish multi-national companies are no longer Swedish but have their head office in the EU, despite what some people are trying to force down our throats, i see different, i have worked for all these big organizations and believe they dare not practice tribal politics, it has no place in modern society, the world is such a competitive place, there are new emerging markets world wide ready to dip into your market share, new players and what not, Sony Ericsson and Nokia learnt the hard way a couple years ago, if you do not hire the right competence in R&D, you will have to compete with other countries that do just so, i worked at Sony Ericsson for a few years and it was a shame how that brand went down the drain, Iphone came out of nowhere, in the middle of the economic recession and sent them to their early graves!

There is so much i know and understand about this environment, believe me or not, companies are changing, the government is listening, they do not have a choice or they will have to deal with a country of mad men and women left unemployed due to recession or not been able to shift their goods in the wider market

Look around Stockholm, the demographics are changing, there are 100s of start up companies propping up everywhere hiring the best talent worldwide, Spotify are in New York, you cannot survive the current trends with a 1950s mentality!

Everyone , just go out there, study the market, check Linkedin, i noticed a trend by just some simple research, there are jobs out there but you need to know how to place yourself, just applying randomly no longer cuts it, this is not the UK, widen your search criteria, even be prepared to work remote in Europe and return to Sweden on weekends, i know loads of people that do just this including Swedes, it is no longer ok to just complain or you will get depressed!

Posted by: ersel 25.Oct.2019, 09:31 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 16.Sep.2019, 06:27 PM) *
QUOTE (Stumc1981 @ 16.Sep.2019, 06:15 PM) *

I agree, I forgot to add that on a recent trip to Uddevala (I have long time swedish friends there) I found the people much more friendly and open, so much so that I instantly looked at buying an apartment there, I might of sounded like I was painting a general picture but I forgot to add that I live in Stockholm, in two years I haven't made a single genuine Swedish friend, back in the UK you can make a good friend just from one night in a pub. I think sweden needs pubs!
I notice that most of the conversations I have here are with other immigrants, Swedes just aren't very talkative and when they are it usually mundane. One day when my wife's parents pass on (they are old) we plan to sell up and move back to England, even she says it's better there and she was born in Stockholm. I came here and tried to love sweden but I have come to the conclusion that I never will and can't wait to return to the rich tapestry of English life.



Learn the language.


Why should he?
To be instantly recognised as a second rate citizen and be put in his place from the likes of such as you?
That is the single stupidest piece of advice I have ever heard.
If one wants to succeed here, the recipe is:
Graduate abroad; get some working experience abroad (anglo-saxon sphere or even Russia).
Come here on a contract for a high sallary and at a good working place.
Foreigners that are well brought off here ( a good number of them) never ever bothered to learn the language or even if they did to use it, so do your own math.



QUOTE (Svedallas @ 18.Sep.2019, 11:48 AM) *
QUOTE (Stumc1981 @ 16.Sep.2019, 07:53 PM) *

No point, I doubt it would make people more interesting, I know a fair bit of Swedish already plus I don't intend to spend too long here. If I was going to settle somewhere other than England and put effort into becoming fluent I'd choose somewhere like Germany or France with some life and culture.

You are arrogant.

Yes you are better somewhere else.


You are ignorant and shallow.

You are better off nowhere else, stay where you belong. No one needs nor desires occurrences like you.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Oct.2019, 03:34 PM

WOW!!!

This Liberal lunatic is waking up this place!!!

Actually he agrees with me but has a problem with ambiguity, I am hoping that he will find his way to be lucid in the future...It's nice to have a kindred soul to converse with...

Happy days are here again...Comedy rules laugh.gif

Posted by: Gjeebes 25.Oct.2019, 05:02 PM

"Happy days are here again...Comedy rules laugh.gif"

TL forum's resident clown has spoken!

And you should be so lucky to have someone actually read your ill-informed non-sense, and then also bother to waist their time trying to explain to you what a Muppet you truly are.

But you know Gamla, one of the traits/consequences of being a mental retard such as yourself, is that your condition prevents you from understanding, that you are indeed retarded.

Hence your continuous "broken-record", scattered, illogical, ramblings-of-a-tired-lonely-old-man-who-craves-attention-from anonymous-internet-people-to-fill-the-social-gap", use of many words, to say absolutely nothing.

Posted by: ersel 25.Oct.2019, 05:44 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 25.Oct.2019, 06:02 PM) *
"Happy days are here again...Comedy rules laugh.gif"


But you know Gamla, one of the traits/consequences of being a mental retard such as yourself, is that your condition prevents you from understanding, that you are indeed retarded.


Well, he probably has never bothered to search for "Dunning-Kruger" effect, but on the other hand, it would have been a waste of time on his behalf even if he had bothered to read about it or watch the video(s)... for all reasons (you have) mentioned... biggrin.gif


Posted by: ersel 25.Oct.2019, 05:51 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 25.Oct.2019, 04:34 PM) *
WOW!!!

This Liberal lunatic is waking up this place!!!


Well, sorry to dissappoint you, I happen not to be a liberal, but then again, it seems that everyone not agreeing with your - well known across this board - Яtarded views on life, weapons, immigrants, foreigners, sweden, life in general is labeled in your world as the "liberal".

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 25.Oct.2019, 04:34 PM) *
Actually he agrees with me but has a problem with ambiguity,


Yes, I am very ambiguous in one matter: the use of two words come to mind in a certain context: one word has to do with Яtard and the other has to do with the outright imbecill . I really cannot decide between the two.

Then again, the context itself is hardly worth mentioning, which makes that certain ambiguousness really not worth wasting any significant time.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 25.Oct.2019, 06:49 PM

Why does anyone need to 'fix' the rental market? I don't see there is anything wrong with it and it certainly should not be 'fixed' to favour foreigners, which I am one.

Posted by: Gjeebes 26.Oct.2019, 10:25 AM

Perhaps you are as unsuccessful in your understanding of basic things as you are at creating your own Meatballian forum?

Loads of people also can't see the problem with Trumpty-Dumbty, but it doesn't stand that there couldn't be one, on that basis.

Try to look further than your own nose, you will marvel at what you see, that isn't all about you.

Posted by: ersel 26.Oct.2019, 12:27 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 25.Oct.2019, 07:49 PM) *
Why does anyone need to 'fix' the rental market? I don't see there is anything wrong with it and it certainly should not be 'fixed' to favour foreigners, which I am one.


So according to you, everything is a ok with the rental market in say Gothenburg, Stockholm, Malmö, there is nothing wrong with it, and mainstream swedish media (newspapers in these cities) have, hence, never needed to (nor did) address that very issue ?

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 26.Oct.2019, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (ersel @ 26.Oct.2019, 01:27 PM) *
So according to you, everything is a ok with the rental market in say Gothenburg, Stockholm, Malmö, there is nothing wrong with it, and mainstream swedish media (newspapers in these cities) have, hence, never needed to (nor did) address that very issue ?


No, I don't see the problem. I got an apartment last year. I also got an apartment in 2005, 2007, 2009 and 2010 all 1st hand contracts in Stockholm and Skåne. I know other foreigners and Swedes who have done the same.

This might shock you, I even have got a 1st hand contract without being in a queue and so have other people.

What do you want to change about it? Will the changes you want to make impact on the rents people pay? How will the rentals be totally indiscriminate?

I look forward to your suggestions.

Posted by: ersel 26.Oct.2019, 09:24 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 26.Oct.2019, 08:23 PM) *
No, I don't see the problem. I got an apartment last year. I also got an apartment in 2005, 2007, 2009 and 2010 all 1st hand contracts in Stockholm and Skåne. I know other foreigners and Swedes who have done the same.


I do not see any point whatsoever, regarding the country wide problem (yes, it does exist, whole Sweden knows about it, it has been written about in media, and shown zillion times, so how come you pretend like it's not even there ? ) in that part of your reply. I have changed several flats, and have a first hand contract. But it is not either without its problems, and many people say the same thing. For many that have done what you cite there is a small army of those who live like modern nomads, and you knowing the foreigners and Swedes who have done the same says nothing about the situation with housing in Sweden.

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 26.Oct.2019, 08:23 PM) *
This might shock you, I even have got a 1st hand contract without being in a queue and so have other people.


I believe that many swedes who wait for well over 10 years for the first hand contract in normal part of the city would be really curious as to how you have skipped the queue.

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 26.Oct.2019, 08:23 PM) *
What do you want to change about it?


First of all, I am not on the trial here, and do not try to sell that technique of conducting the dialogue to someone of my age and experience, just in order to salvage what is basically the failed argument, and to derail the subject you have touched upon. The subject is the rental market, and swedes themselves have criticised it for over 25 years I know of, and that heavily, it is public knowledge and well accepted fact.

Having said that, I know exactly what I would change about it, have no doubt about it at all, but I am not going to disclose it to you at this moment.

It might happen that you perhaps will read about it later on. See this as NO excuse, but just as a firm marking towards both the content of what you write, which is insulting for the intelligence of the normal human being in Sweden, deliberately misleading, and the tone which is coming across as both ignorant and very arrogant, but the latter being done in very well thought out and directed manner. If you think it has gone by as unnoticed, you might be gravely mistaken.



QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 26.Oct.2019, 08:23 PM) *
Will the changes you want to make impact on the rents people pay?


That is a very fishy question, posed with the clear agenda on mind.
But nevertheless, yes, it would.

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 26.Oct.2019, 08:23 PM) *
How will the rentals be totally indiscriminate?


Neither rentals nor life are anywhere totally indiscriminate, first of all. Second of all, I really have no idea or do not see how that is relevant here, the discussion can be easily held without blending in that notion. Much else has to be met first in order to even be able to put that question on the table, in this context.
I think the usage of that question, and even bringing is into this "debate" is a rather ugly and cheap factual and rhetorical mishap or trick, but whatever serves you the best.

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 26.Oct.2019, 08:23 PM) *
I look forward to your suggestions.



One looks forward to the swedish smörgåsbord or other things in life, but doesn't order whatever it pleases him in such manner from someone else. It is demeaning and deeply condescending, while served as a false "politeness". Don't play such game with adults.
You can perhaps use that sort of rhetorical bravado with someone else, or at this forum, but leave it aside with me, will you.
Try to use it (well, do not, for your own sake) in a business context, and I can assure you that,
this last sentence of yours would effectively finish whatever you have tried to achieve with it the very moment you have said it, when used in such manner and context. It would end the whole case often without you even ever knowing it before it is far too late.
Some people are not born yesterday, try to remember that once and for all.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Oct.2019, 10:53 PM

This CLOWN rocks TheLocal...

It's fun again!!!

If only it would be more direct, and not so ambiguous we would really get his message...and that is???

Posted by: ersel 26.Oct.2019, 11:53 PM

It's funny how the word "meatballian" rhymes with the word "imbecillian"...
or not funny... ohmy.gif

Posted by: Cheeseroller 27.Oct.2019, 01:58 AM

QUOTE (ersel @ 27.Oct.2019, 12:53 AM) *
It's funny how the word "meatballian" rhymes with the word "imbecillian"...
or not funny... ohmy.gif


Next time Aftondagbladet or Expressen publishes the "rich list" of the top tax payers in Sweden - look for the foreign names.

Good luck finding any!

At the end:
- it is not about fluency in the language
- or understanding their culture
- or the degrees you have

It is about:
- are you a Swede going back 3 or 4 generations.

Because anyone else, will find the glass ceilings.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 27.Oct.2019, 05:26 AM

QUOTE (ersel @ 27.Oct.2019, 12:53 AM) *
It's funny how the word "meatballian" rhymes with the word "imbecillian"...
or not funny... ohmy.gif


It also rhymes with nightmarish hell hole for those with an ounce of critical thinking in their meat bags.

P.s. don’t fuel Gamla. Let that bigot troll die out.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 27.Oct.2019, 09:04 PM

QUOTE (ersel @ 27.Oct.2019, 12:53 AM) *
It's funny how the word "meatballian" rhymes with the word "imbecillian"...
or not funny... ohmy.gif


You need to learn about rhyming because that isn't a true rhyme. A loose b-rhyme or a slant rhyme maybe.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (ersel @ 26.Oct.2019, 10:24 PM) *
I believe that many swedes who wait for well over 10 years for the first hand contract in normal part of the city would be really curious as to how you have skipped the queue.


This just is not true. You can join a queue and get a place within a year if you are not a snob. In many larger cities, Helsingborg as an example, 10 years of queue would get you in the top area whereas 12 months would get you a place in a 'less desirable' area.

I did not skip the queue. I joined it, got in line and got a place to live. Several times.

There are housing companies who you can get an apartment on a first come basis so if you see the ad, get to look at it and say yes it's yours. There are plenty of these companies about. Some are private and some are big companies with apartment buildings throughout Sweden.

Just because some people don't know about them it doesn't mean they don't exist.

I've known people split up with their partners and find a 1st hand contract within 3 months. Sure, they are not the cheapest but it can be done. I'm talking about a 1.000kr difference in rent.

QUOTE (ersel @ 26.Oct.2019, 10:24 PM) *
First of all, I am not on the trial here, and do not try to sell that technique of conducting the dialogue to someone of my age and experience, just in order to salvage what is basically the failed argument, and to derail the subject you have touched upon. The subject is the rental market, and swedes themselves have criticised it for over 25 years I know of, and that heavily, it is public knowledge and well accepted fact.

Having said that, I know exactly what I would change about it, have no doubt about it at all, but I am not going to disclose it to you at this moment.

It might happen that you perhaps will read about it later on. See this as NO excuse, but just as a firm marking towards both the content of what you write, which is insulting for the intelligence of the normal human being in Sweden, deliberately misleading, and the tone which is coming across as both ignorant and very arrogant, but the latter being done in very well thought out and directed manner. If you think it has gone by as unnoticed, you might be gravely mistaken.


"I'm not on trial here..." Are you full of sh*t? That is a rhetorical question because you are.


QUOTE (ersel @ 26.Oct.2019, 10:24 PM) *
That is a very fishy question, posed with the clear agenda on mind.
But nevertheless, yes, it would.


No, engaging in a dialogue isn't an agenda. If someone moans they should put forward improvements. Truth is you can't change the system without it impacting on rents.

The system serves the many and shouldn't be changed to benefit the few who feel that they should be put first because they have a chip on their shoulder.

We are guests here, Swedes don't owe us anything and shouldn't give us favours.

QUOTE (ersel @ 26.Oct.2019, 10:24 PM) *
Neither rentals nor life are anywhere totally indiscriminate, first of all. Second of all, I really have no idea or do not see how that is relevant here, the discussion can be easily held without blending in that notion. Much else has to be met first in order to even be able to put that question on the table, in this context.
I think the usage of that question, and even bringing is into this "debate" is a rather ugly and cheap factual and rhetorical mishap or trick, but whatever serves you the best.


Yeah because you want a system where money gets you ahead of the queue instead of taking a number and waiting. Just because you can't get what you want when you want it really must annoy you. I'm happy for there to be a seniority based queuing system.

QUOTE (ersel @ 26.Oct.2019, 10:24 PM) *
One looks forward to the swedish smörgåsbord or other things in life, but doesn't order whatever it pleases him in such manner from someone else. It is demeaning and deeply condescending, while served as a false "politeness". Don't play such game with adults.
You can perhaps use that sort of rhetorical bravado with someone else, or at this forum, but leave it aside with me, will you.
Try to use it (well, do not, for your own sake) in a business context, and I can assure you that,
this last sentence of yours would effectively finish whatever you have tried to achieve with it the very moment you have said it, when used in such manner and context. It would end the whole case often without you even ever knowing it before it is far too late.
Some people are not born yesterday, try to remember that once and for all.


You don't have to have been born yesterday to be a moron. I guess you are just lucky in that way?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Oct.2019, 09:53 PM

Thank you for that post...

Posted by: ersel 28.Oct.2019, 01:35 AM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
This just is not true. You can join a queue and get a place within a year if you are not a snob. In many larger cities, Helsingborg as an example, 10 years of queue would get you in the top area whereas 12 months would get you a place in a 'less desirable' area.


I really do not know if you are cognitively challenged, or dyslectic, or completely oblivious to the realities of life in largest cities in Sweden, at least two of them, but not even 10 years guarantees the contract in central - decent areas of the city. And that for people not being snobs, wanting to function normally, to have calm place to return to from work, only not wanting to live in suburbs, where unemployment rate is sky high, where drug dealing, gangs, shootings and the whole milieu is nothing resembling a normal place to live, where people are stigmatised from the day one by the ethnicity, name and surname, and put into reservats. Ever heard of such places in Sweden ?
By their names?

Do not put the Helsinborg here as a prime example. Look at the statistics and facts before trying to state "your case".

So you are, indeed, rather full of it, as you like to put it to others, in your complete lack of arguments.

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
I did not skip the queue. I joined it, got in line and got a place to live. Several times.


So you have joined the queue, got in line, and got a place to live; and that even several times! Wow!
In your earlier post you have proudly stated that you got the flat immediately. I was talking about rental market - hyreslägenheter, not buying market, and now - you are ok and I am full of it... nice going again. Your story is the story of the ordinary swede in the larger - largest cities? What reality do you live in ??

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
There are housing companies who you can get an apartment on a first come basis so if you see the ad, get to look at it and say yes it's yours. There are plenty of these companies about. Some are private and some are big companies with apartment buildings throughout Sweden. Just because some people don't know about them it doesn't mean they don't exist.


There are no companies that are renting the apartments that are allowed to skip the so called communal queue, so what you talking about does not belong to the market for rental apartments (not the bought ones), at least not where I live. It is larger than Hbg, btw. So who's full of it, again ? People usually do not look to such ads, and if they do then it is, as a rule second hand, and with sky-rocketed prices. We do not seem to live in the same country, look what other people are writing about the same issue in this thread and start using your brain, for once. You are stating the exceptions and stories most people never heard of as a norm.
Guess what, that is not a norm, nor would most of the people in Sweden ever adhere to the story you are presenting, but only laugh at it.

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
I've known people split up with their partners and find a 1st hand contract within 3 months. Sure, they are not the cheapest but it can be done. I'm talking about a 1.000kr difference in rent.


Oh really... Hahaha ... what a piece of i... biggrin.gif 1000 kr. difference in rent ??? hahahahhaha ahhahahhaaa... oh, boy... hahahahahaha 1:st hand contract within 3 months ???? hahahhahaha
Just be careful that housing companies or the municipal company here (-förmedling) does not hear about what you write... hahahahahhahaha ...

I have watched live program from the studio in Stockholm, on TV4, where the subject was housing crisis in Sthlm. While the discussion was ongoing, the sms messages were shown in the bottom of the screen. One fellow had to (written in plain swedish, from him) say 'thank you goodbuye' to the well payed job in the city, due to the full impossibility to find any housing. No, he was not a foreigner, he was born swede. Parents were Swedes. It was swedish live tv-program, made for swedes. One of the program hosts was Jenny Strömstedt, well known tv- and media profile in Sweden.

Do you know what year that was ? Can you guess ?

Series of articles in GP in Gothenburg were showing the students skipping the first year and admissions to the universities due to not being able to find anything for any decent (possible at all to pay) rent, living in trailers, series of article in other newpapers (Sthlm) about modern nomads, living while having uncertain 2nd. and 3rd. hand contracts, having to move on average every 6 months, and you are coming here with you claims...
And I am the one full of it, in your world... biggrin.gif Boy, what a piece of m...

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
"I'm not on trial here..." Are you full of sh*t? That is a rhetorical question because you are.


Nice going. Ever wondered about how full of what you must be, if I am what you claim ? You could get rich if you start exporting that same merchandise, since fertilizers are rather usable, and you seem not to be under x *1000s of it in cubics.



QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
No, engaging in a dialogue isn't an agenda. If someone moans they should put forward improvements. Truth is you can't change the system without it impacting on rents.


What ????
Hahahahhahahaha ... aaaa hhhahahaaaaa...

and you are the ok one, and I am full of it... ??????

hahahahahah

Who are you, in all seriousness, try to sell that type of flosculas to ? Do you honestly think people are that stupid and ill educated to even be able to start to buy into such crap of an "argument" ?

hahahaha... .what an i...

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
The system serves the many and shouldn't be changed to benefit the few who feel that they should be put first because they have a chip on their shoulder.

We are guests here, Swedes don't owe us anything and shouldn't give us favours.


Again, you truly suffer from serious cognitive dissonance ... or are being outright id... in trying to discredit others by transcribing to them what they have never thought or said.

First of all, any changes proposed by any of us, and in particular me, would only serve the benefit of all people in Sweden; you (im)putting that other people here suggest otherwise (selective) is simple trick, cheap, low and most of all completely incorrect, so shame on you. It is really low and rather disgusting.

Second of all, if you have already pulled the story about how just (for all) system is to be, than, if there was any justice, you would not have EVER get the flats in the way you have described, to begin with, when many other ordinary people have to wait for so many years, of cannot even take jobs because of it.


QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
Yeah because you want a system where money gets you ahead of the queue instead of taking a number and waiting. Just because you can't get what you want when you want it really must annoy you.


First of all, because of this line: you are a total, bona fide, outright m... , who does not know the first thing he is talking about, and does not check his facts before he opens his mouth.

I want exactly the opposite; have never payed or bought the flat, never thought about getting ahead of people by using money, detest personally anything such, and you, despite of it, write what you write. Just unbelievable.
Your (smart ?) way of milking the info, or you are truly being outright stupid ?

Making presumptions about someone one does not know anything about, fabricating information about the person, then fabricating persons intent, and then, drawing conclusions and accusing that person on this or that on the basis of such - own - constructions ???

Where does all of that put you ? Where ?



QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
I'm happy for there to be a seniority based queuing system.


Judging from your "resume", that seniority based system was not applicable to you at all, as it seems, so you seem to be the type who preaches one thing for the rest of the society, while acts himself in the opposite manner (what you have written yourself on how you skipped waiting), so that is, in your case, the definition of person which is a: H... ?


QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:20 PM) *
You don't have to have been born yesterday to be a moron. I guess you are just lucky in that way?


Yeah, since I am not born yesterday, I, sadly for you, do not belong to your kind.

On the other hand, you do seem to be the exception confirming the rule you have stated, or the rule itself, - eventually the same in your case, that states that one can be born yesterday (which you seem to be) and still be what you are (truly a lucky one in that way).

Posted by: ersel 28.Oct.2019, 01:36 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 27.Oct.2019, 09:53 PM) *
Thank you for that post...


Have you finished your gröt ? Or was it sylta today ?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Oct.2019, 01:45 AM

A most enjoyable rant...but again you miss the point...stop holding back and just let out what you really think...Don't be afraid, there are people here willing to help you with your problem...

Open up and bravely tell us what you are afraid of, however do not shrink back into your shell as you are an exceptional comic and we will miss your wonderfully worded and executed comedic routine...

Again, you can be helped, people here are specialists in the rehabilitation of your type of???


Posted by: ersel 28.Oct.2019, 01:59 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Oct.2019, 01:45 AM) *
A most enjoyable rant...but again you miss the point...stop holding back and just let out what you really think...Don't be afraid, there are people here willing to help you with your problem...

Open up and bravely tell us what you are afraid of, however do not shrink back into your shell as you are an exceptional comic and we will miss your wonderfully worded and executed comedic routine...

Again, you can be helped, people here are specialists in the rehabilitation of your type of???


Regarding your imbecillian (as usual) question on "opening up":
I would perhaps even bother to answer (for real, for this is just a toying with a m... ) any of your hollow, insignificant, meaningless and empty crap.
But only while sitting at the toilet stool. Just to dignify and personify the statue of the moment, as well as your own significance.
What I think about you is that you are an outright bigot and chauvinist , the prime example of your own mentality. The chauvinism and bigotism you aim at when you ask me your retarded questions - "tell us what you really think " - and that is presumably about your holy race.
You - the typical type of silent bigot, filled with jealousy and animosity towards anyone that dares to say anything about the grand meatballia, the holly land of your dreams.

For the rest of your problem, it might be worth telling you something or starting any discussion with you.
The very same day you take your head out of your behind, that is.

I do not think anyone can help you, in contrast to what you state the last (about me).
Simply due to the fact that you are stupid beyond any salvaging point.

Posted by: ersel 28.Oct.2019, 02:39 AM

He has logged in, but is unable to respond... perhaps due to the sound of foam fretting out of the mouth, somewhere in the background of the room... biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Oct.2019, 02:40 AM

Thank you for your praise and recognition of my intellectual abilities, being recognized by such as you is indeed a signal honour...although not really, but I don't want your efforts to kiss up to me go unnoticed by others...

But I digress, we should be discussing your inability to craft cognitive sentences and allowing others to understand what you are really saying...

Hiding behind another persona only works for a while...

TaTa laugh.gif

Posted by: ersel 28.Oct.2019, 02:50 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Oct.2019, 02:40 AM) *
Thank you for your praise and recognition of my intellectual abilities, being recognized by such as you is indeed a signal honour...although not really, but I don't want your efforts to kiss up to me go unnoticed by others...

But I digress, we should be discussing your inability to craft cognitive sentences and and allowing others to understand what you are really saying...

Hiding behind another persona only works for a while...

TaTa laugh.gif


Who is kissing up to whom and what - well, your sheer presence here says volumes about that.
Has it occurred to you that you are at the expat forum for people from other countries living in Swe, while you are from Swe (presumably, if even that), but NOT living in Swe? And most people who are belonging to that group do not consider your presence here to be desirable nor constructive, at all. Yet, you continue. What does that make you ?

So, WTF is your problem ? You come here, at the web place, not devoted people like you, and seek quarrel and trouble from the word go, since it is filling you with rage that anyone dares write anything other than superlatives about the country and life in it ?

Are you mentally disturbed, retarded, fucked up, frustrated with your own life ? Or just plain stupid Do you have any life at all, being present here at the local time in you area?

Who would ever want to "kiss up to you" ? To you ? biggrin.gif Who ? biggrin.gif I told you that you are even not worth the rectum that opens above the toilet stool, and that was not enough of an indication to you ?

Posted by: ersel 28.Oct.2019, 03:04 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Oct.2019, 02:40 AM) *
But I digress, we should be discussing your inability to craft cognitive sentences and allowing others to understand what you are really saying...


Idiot like you certainly has the problems understanding fully what others are saying.
Although you understand enough to trigger you bigot, chauvinist biological cell in your one-cell brain.

You see that bolded part?
Before throwing philosophical observation about others literal capabilities, try to learn first yourself:

"Cognitive" is the word that says something about the rudimentary mental ability of someone reading something - or trying to comprehend something. As such, it is not appropriate to use that word with the noun "sentence", or coin the phrase "to craft cognitive sentence", as you have done.
Cognition is used to comprehend sentences, that is reading and not writing (firsthand).
Sentences are not cognitive, only some abilities can be cognitive.

Idiot .

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.Oct.2019, 05:06 AM

Plain and simple, the housing situation is systematic segregation of immigrants.

The suburbs of stockhell and gothenshits are rural nightmares completely detached from opportunity.

Just thinking about it makes me want to burn a car.

There is no mystery to the social problems in those areas... which Sweden created for itself.

Oh Sweden, what a cold cunty bitch.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.Oct.2019, 05:13 AM

QUOTE (ersel @ 28.Oct.2019, 04:04 AM) *
Idiot like you certainly has the problems understanding fully what others are saying.
Although you understand enough to trigger you bigot, chauvinist biological cell in your one-cell brain.

You see that bolded part?
Before throwing philosophical observation about others literal capabilities, try to learn first yourself:

"Cognitive" is the word that says something about the rudimentary mental ability of someone reading something - or trying to comprehend something. As such, it is not appropriate to use that word with the noun "sentence", or coin the phrase "to craft cognitive sentence", as you have done.
Cognition is used to comprehend sentences, that is reading and not writing (firsthand).
Sentences are not cognitive, only some abilities can be cognitive.

Idiot .



Lol. Cognitive sentences.

Ersel... engaging with gamla is giving him what he wants. He is bed ridden and waits for people like you to give him a new spark in life... yes his life is that pathetic, just like his cowardly, nazi supporting Swedish genetics.

Besides... he has never lived in Sweden so he has absolutely no clue what Sweden is really like. At best he has been a tourist... and that is extremely different. I need not explain further.

Take care! Keep doing you!

Posted by: Gjeebes 28.Oct.2019, 05:58 PM

"But I digress, we should be discussing your inability to craft cognitive sentences and allowing others to understand what you are really saying..."

Aww, isn't that cute. Gamla tried to use "big" words.

Just like a typical Meatballian meathead, when he goes full retard, he goes balls deep.

And I like how he tries to project that "others" can't understand what is being written in an attempt to obscure the fact that it is only Gamla who is so shuttered in general, due to his obvious and uncontrolled cognitive decline (aka dementia).

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 28.Oct.2019, 07:09 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 28.Oct.2019, 05:06 AM) *
Plain and simple, the housing situation is systematic segregation of immigrants.

The suburbs of stockhell and gothenshits are rural nightmares completely detached from opportunity.

Just thinking about it makes me want to burn a car.

There is no mystery to the social problems in those areas... which Sweden created for itself.

Oh Sweden, what a cold cunty bitch.


Oh right. That is why I as a native swede with 5 years waiting in line can't even get a first hand contract for a studio appartement in a hamlet far far away. While I see new arrivals who haven't even been in the country for half a year get first hand contracts for 2 and 3 bedroom appartements in the city center. Because the swedish rental market discriminates against foreigners.

Besides, no one forced the migrants to live in the suburbs. They are free to move to smaller cities, but somehow they prefer to live in the hellish suburbs of Stockholm and Gothenburg.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 28.Oct.2019, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 28.Oct.2019, 06:06 AM) *
Plain and simple, the housing situation is systematic segregation of immigrants.

The suburbs of stockhell and gothenshits are rural nightmares completely detached from opportunity.

Just thinking about it makes me want to burn a car.

There is no mystery to the social problems in those areas... which Sweden created for itself.

Oh Sweden, what a cold cunty bitch.


Cool story sis.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 28.Oct.2019, 08:15 PM

QUOTE (ersel @ 28.Oct.2019, 02:35 AM) *
Rant, drivel, nonsense, lies, gurgle, moaning, deception and repeat.


You really don't know what you are talking about do you?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Oct.2019, 09:51 PM

I love my "groupies"!!!

Now it is time to play...I will ignore them and rejoice at their attempts to get my attention...

They think about me all the time and I am the reason for their presence on this forum, I am the focal point of their lives and will drive them crazy by my silence...

So there!!! laugh.gif


Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.Oct.2019, 12:42 AM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 28.Oct.2019, 08:09 PM) *
Oh right. That is why I as a native swede with 5 years waiting in line can't even get a first hand contract for a studio appartement in a hamlet far far away. While I see new arrivals who haven't even been in the country for half a year get first hand contracts for 2 and 3 bedroom appartements in the city center. Because the swedish rental market discriminates against foreigners.

Besides, no one forced the migrants to live in the suburbs. They are free to move to smaller cities, but somehow they prefer to live in the hellish suburbs of Stockholm and Gothenburg.


You prove the point of what people are saying with the long queues... why not be like the expat eagle and sore over the line... or live in the more undesirable areas... which just so happen to be stacked with immigrants and new arrivals? You scared?

Of course there are immigrants in the central areas of the cities, but not the majority. The majority live in the suburbs where a 1st hand contract is readily available to those who don’t have much time built up in the ridiculous queue system.

I know you are daft, but wow, you must be blind as well.

And yea... moving to smaller cities... because there is soooo much opportunity just pouring out of those small towns. Out of sight out of mind, right? Lololololzzzzz

Dumbass


QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 28.Oct.2019, 09:11 PM) *
Cool story sis.


Thanks. It’s non fiction.

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Oct.2019, 10:51 PM) *
I love my "groupies"!!!

Now it is time to play...I will ignore them and rejoice at their attempts to get my attention...

They think about me all the time and I am the reason for their presence on this forum, I am the focal point of their lives and will drive them crazy by my silence...

So there!!! laugh.gif


Not only is he demented but an egomaniac and delusional as well!

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 29.Oct.2019, 10:23 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 29.Oct.2019, 12:42 AM) *
You prove the point of what people are saying with the long queues... why not be like the expat eagle and sore over the line... or live in the more undesirable areas... which just so happen to be stacked with immigrants and new arrivals? You scared?

Of course there are immigrants in the central areas of the cities, but not the majority. The majority live in the suburbs where a 1st hand contract is readily available to those who don’t have much time built up in the ridiculous queue system.

I know you are daft, but wow, you must be blind as well.

And yea... moving to smaller cities... because there is soooo much opportunity just pouring out of those small towns. Out of sight out of mind, right? Lololololzzzzz

Dumbass


Thank you for your reply. It is obvious now that you aren't interested in facts or arguments. You are only interested in ruminations.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.Oct.2019, 04:10 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 29.Oct.2019, 11:23 AM) *
Thank you for your reply. It is obvious now that you aren't interested in facts or arguments. You are only interested in ruminations.


Awww poor baby got shut down? What facts and arguments are you presenting? That all recently arrived immigrants choose to live in the suburbs? That immigrants choose to bounce around from 2nd hand contract to 2nd hand contract?

You prove the discriminatory attitude of Swedish housing by thinking your native status gives you precedence to central living accommodations.

Dumbass.

Your country literally has a housing system based on time in a line which is time in sweden. How’s that for a fact?

How’s it going living with mommy and daddy?

“Smaller cities” yea.... you know the town grocery store can only employ so many people.

Lolololol

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 29.Oct.2019, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 29.Oct.2019, 04:10 PM) *
Awww poor baby got shut down? What facts and arguments are you presenting? That all recently arrived immigrants choose to live in the suburbs? That immigrants choose to bounce around from 2nd hand contract to 2nd hand contract?

You prove the discriminatory attitude of Swedish housing by thinking your native status gives you precedence to central living accommodations.

Dumbass.

Your country literally has a housing system based on time in a line which is time in sweden. How’s that for a fact?

How’s it going living with mommy and daddy?

“Smaller cities” yea... you know the town grocery store can only employ so many people.

Lolololol

I would expect 5 years of standing in line would give me priority over someone who arrived half a year ago, but that is not the case apparently.
So you didn't read the section about how I have been standing in line for 5 years and can't even get a first hand contract for a studio apartenment in a hamlet 2 hours away by bus. But new arrivals who haven't even stood in line for half a year are given 1st hand contracts for 2 and 3 bedroom apartenments in the city centre. And this somehow proves that the swedish rental market somehow discriminates against foreigners.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.Oct.2019, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 29.Oct.2019, 05:41 PM) *
I would expect 5 years of standing in line would give me priority over someone who arrived half a year ago, but that is not the case apparently.
So you didn't read the section about how I have been standing in line for 5 years and can't even get a first hand contract for a studio apartenment in a hamlet 2 hours away by bus. But new arrivals who haven't even stood in line for half a year are given 1st hand contracts for 2 and 3 bedroom apartenments in the city centre. And this somehow proves that the swedish rental market somehow discriminates against foreigners.



So you live in mommy and daddy’s basement... although I’m sure you’d prefer the womb.

You think that because a company has token diversity employees means that the company is truly diverse????? You think affirmative action got rid of systemic racism? (That is not an endorsement of affirmative action). Can you connect the dots on what I’m saying or do I need to hold your hand and walk you through this?

You think you have a right to central city living because you are Swedish.

Your logical fallacy is that you think because there are a couple of diversity tenants that all immigrants get that cake. Those tenants you speak of are most likely asylum seekers, real or not but still declared so by your dumb nation, and the landlord of said properties are making madd money money from your dumbass govt by, most likely begrudgingly, giving them a space.

Don’t get me wrong. The housing system affects everyone... but it has the largest and most obvious impact on immigrants. Why not go live in one of the suburbs, I’m sure you can find a place with 5 years... too many immigrants for you or something??

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 29.Oct.2019, 10:34 PM

QUOTE (ersel @ 25.Oct.2019, 12:30 AM) *
Zlatan Ibrahimovic is born Swede, made country known (again) in his own way, etc.

He cited some of the same things (sadly), to my great surprise when I have read the lengthy interview with him at expressen.se. He mentioned the word "sect"; the poster before you mentions the word "cult". The content of all interview with him, and details from his career and what he was forced to put up with just sadly resemble what some of the people in this thread have repeatedly mentioned.


Do you have the link to the interview? I feel the same about the "sect" thing. How everybody gives me similar answers, how women act in similar ways, their nonverbal communication with no differences. Weird.


QUOTE (ersel @ 25.Oct.2019, 04:57 AM) *
The examples of how some elderly people of your mentality, and sadly of your origin, use the notion of "when in Rome" have been shown in documentaries on Swedish national TV, where they in front of camera call the native people (Portuguese and Spaniards) in those countries, where they spent their own retirement days - for "apes". This is well known and documented.


Swedes think they are a step above Spanish and I saw it. The problem is Spaniards don't know it. The see countries like Spain as if we had nothing to offer. Comments like only pensioners would want to live in Spain... I heard them more than once. The jokes about siesta and portraying us like lazy... lost count.

I am IT and I never had the chance to work in my area here in sweden. I have sent more than 200 cvs, Met swedes who knew less and got jobs. Very disappointing and one more reason why sweden is just marketing.

Swedes think they have a good economy because they are hardworking but it has more to do with not letting competition in while selling their products around the world.
The coffee break swedes have would be considered lazy in Spain. Spaniards work Full throttle and we barely have any breaks.

Swedes are good at keeping a straight face while pretending to be tolerant but these people have a massive ego. They actually believe they are kind of a chosen culture. Crazy!.

Go to Spain and you will find way more diversity than in sweden and also competition.
What amazes me is how the world can think sweden is a humble country.


I don't want a world in which sweden and the scandianvians are at the top. That would be bad because these people are not what they advertise. Everything they do is to look good on paper. I cannot imagine a country like sweden treating my people in a fair way. Specially when you see their own rental market and how they hide it from international news. Swedes come to Spain, buy houses and can rent them out for as long as they want then in their own country they put restrictions so people are forced to buy and when they do they cannot sublet for as long as they want.

Posted by: silva 30.Oct.2019, 08:42 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 16.Jun.2018, 11:52 PM) *
The SD will win within this or next elections. Many things are being done simply way too wrong in sweden regarding immigration and that will be translated into the votes.

I feel the people who actually want to work and pay taxes in sweden get punished while the people who come for "free money" get rewarded.



100% agree with you.This is what exactly I feel.I arrived here in 2013 back then people were nice now they have changed completely the hatred in their eyes are scary and they stare at you as if demons waiting take your soul.1 week ago my wife and 5 year daughter on their way to school on train.And they were sitting on 4 seats area suddenly a middle age man came to the front seat started throwing his things on the small table showing his anger towards my family.my daughter accidentally slightly step on his foot and he kicked her back.I never expect such a behaviour from a Swede.Not even a person where I came from would do such a thing to a child.My poor wife was crying whole day and begged me to go back to our home country back.I helped many people here whenever I can elderly disabled,children etc.but this is what I get in return.No wonder SD party raising.The silly thing is SD also chasing the wrong group of people.I dont think any WP holder would go and burn cars,molest a child or murder someone for jealousy.

Now I'm thinking of putting notes on our cloths saying "we came on an A380 and we pay tax from day one"
People like us get punished on everyday basis while people who burn cars,rape children,live off tax payers money and dreaming of medieval caliphate are untouched by the rules and regulations here.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 30.Oct.2019, 09:28 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 29.Oct.2019, 06:48 PM) *
So you live in mommy and daddy’s basement... although I’m sure you’d prefer the womb.

You think that because a company has token diversity employees means that the company is truly diverse????? You think affirmative action got rid of systemic racism? (That is not an endorsement of affirmative action). Can you connect the dots on what I’m saying or do I need to hold your hand and walk you through this?

You think you have a right to central city living because you are Swedish.

Your logical fallacy is that you think because there are a couple of diversity tenants that all immigrants get that cake. Those tenants you speak of are most likely asylum seekers, real or not but still declared so by your dumb nation, and the landlord of said properties are making madd money money from your dumbass govt by, most likely begrudgingly, giving them a space.

Don’t get me wrong. The housing system affects everyone... but it has the largest and most obvious impact on immigrants. Why not go live in one of the suburbs, I’m sure you can find a place with 5 years... too many immigrants for you or something??


I get it that you won't read what I am writing. THERE ARE NOT FIRST HAND CONTRACTS AVAILABLE IN THE SUBURBS EITHER.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Oct.2019, 12:08 PM

QUOTE (silva @ 30.Oct.2019, 09:42 AM) *
People like us get punished on everyday basis while people who burn cars,rape children,live off tax payers money and dreaming of medieval caliphate are untouched by the rules and regulations here.


THAT!. Exactly!.

I came to sweden to work but they make my life difficult. Rental market is a nightmare despite the country is almost empty and there is plenty of space and job market is the closest I have ever seen in any EU country.

Swedes say there is no rentals because their country is like London or New York but that's a very malevolent lie. Their country alongside with the rest of scandinavia is very low populated but they twist data to make it look like if they were a busy hub just to hide their real rental mess. How dishonest and manipulative.

I lived in another country (not my homeland) and I found a job in less than one month without connections. I didn't speak their native language, I always spoke English. The companies were interested in me and offered me many type of jobs, I could work in my IT field. I never got the issues I have in sweden.

Here in sweden they are incredibly strict and they make excuses with their language. Sweden is almost bilingual so English is second language but despite it, it's almost impossible to find a job without swedish unless you get to a international company and have very high degrees and connections.
The companies are always making excuses, when it's because you don't speak swedish, it's because they treat your education as less valuable, then age, then this then that and so on.

I have met people who had worked in 7 different countries, people who had a wide experience working abroad and they told me to be shocked for how difficult it is to get hired in sweden as a foreigner who speaks English only.

Swedes live up their own false marketing and they exploit it by writing articles in international news outlets about themselves which do not reflect the harsh reality in sweden for a foreigner. If you cannot find apartment and a job then the whole purpose of moving to sweden is defeated but not only that some people go broke and waste their last savings. And swedes know their system is harsh for immigrants, if rental market doesn't destroy you then the job market will.

Let's be honest, swedes want to look good and as open but the reality is very different. They have an incredibly preference towards Americans and British mainly due they think swedish blond blue eyed appearance makes them like Americans!. But if you are brown eyed or don't below to the countries in which you can make them look good... You are history unless you have very strong connections.

Sweden is a trap, it looks good from outside so people come in and then when you have spent money you realize the nightmare the system is, rental and job markets are the most restrictive in the EU, meant to destroy any foreign competition. Super narrow minded and almost gate keeper like mindset.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 30.Oct.2019, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Oct.2019, 12:08 PM) *
THAT!. Exactly!.

I came to sweden to work but they make my life difficult. Rental market is a nightmare despite the country is almost empty and there is plenty of space and job market is the closest I have ever seen in any EU country.


So why haven't you bought a plot of land somewhere in the middle of nowhere and lived there? As you said, there's plenty of space available. Or was the case such that what you meant was that you want to live where everyone else wants to live?

Posted by: silva 30.Oct.2019, 12:25 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Oct.2019, 01:08 PM) *
it's because they treat your education as less valuable, then age, then this then that and so on.



Yes thats law of Jante! I face it daily every where.This people are so believe in man made systems but when it failed, start to panicking like hell.You can see that by looking at SD votes. Suddenly people think every foreigner is responsible for the immigrant related incidents and issues.They dont have brain to filter out the well educated and integrated people who came here for qualified jobs and how much they help the country to move forward.Instead they just declare war against the good ones.

Luckily I have colleagues who are down to earth.Thats the only thing keeping me here.

Posted by: gsurya 30.Oct.2019, 12:26 PM

The official records of all permits suggests Sweden grants about 100K of such visas annually.

https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Statistics/Granted-permits-overviews.html

Of these, about 2500 per month constitute work permits.

This is a tiny fraction of the Swedish population when compared to other countries who are absorbing immigrants at a much better rate. Sweden needs to step up and attract more immigrants at a faster rate!

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 30.Oct.2019, 01:28 PM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 30.Oct.2019, 12:26 PM) *
The official records of all permits suggests Sweden grants about 100K of such visas annually.

https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Statistics/Granted-permits-overviews.html

Of these, about 2500 per month constitute work permits.

This is a tiny fraction of the Swedish population when compared to other countries who are absorbing immigrants at a much better rate. Sweden needs to step up and attract more immigrants at a faster rate!


F no. You don't get to dictate what policies natives want. Tell your countrymen to stop swamping the swedish market with kitchen aids and cleaners and you might see a much more positive attitude.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Oct.2019, 02:21 PM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 30.Oct.2019, 01:26 PM) *
The official records of all permits suggests Sweden grants about 100K of such visas annually.

https://www.migrationsverket.se/English/About-the-Migration-Agency/Statistics/Granted-permits-overviews.html

Of these, about 2500 per month constitute work permits.

This is a tiny fraction of the Swedish population when compared to other countries who are absorbing immigrants at a much better rate. Sweden needs to step up and attract more immigrants at a faster rate!



From day one I always used my own savings. Sweden has never helped me finance my stay in this country. All I have seen is artificially created harsh rental market despite the country is almost empty. The three major cities in sweden are small towns compared to major population centers in Europe. But the deception about sweden is that you keep the details hidden so people who come from outside doesn't know the mess going on in this cult.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 30.Oct.2019, 03:21 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Oct.2019, 02:21 PM) *
From day one I always used my own savings. Sweden has never helped me finance my stay in this country. All I have seen is artificially created harsh rental market despite the country is almost empty. The three major cities in sweden are small towns compared to major population centers in Europe. But the deception about sweden is that you keep the details hidden so people who come from outside doesn't know the mess going on in this cult.


So why haven't you moved to one of the wast open spaces that are available?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Oct.2019, 03:56 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 30.Oct.2019, 04:21 PM) *
So why haven't you moved to one of the wast open spaces that are available?


Would you move to the desert when there is no water, food, jobs or anything of value? Or instead would you move to a place in which you have highest chances to find work?.

If sweden is so top of the world then why is rental market so precarious despite your country is almost empty?. Are you swedes that incompetent or it's just they are doing it on purpose to force people buy an apartment and feed the corrupt housing system scheme?.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Oct.2019, 04:40 PM

You complain about the housing situation in Sweden...

You complain about the lack if employment in your native country...

Maybe you should think of a third country with ample housing and jobs...

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 30.Oct.2019, 04:46 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Oct.2019, 03:56 PM) *
Would you move to the desert when there is no water, food, jobs or anything of value? Or instead would you move to a place in which you have highest chances to find work?.

If sweden is so top of the world then why is rental market so precarious despite your country is almost empty?. Are you swedes that incompetent or it's just they are doing it on purpose to force people buy an apartment and feed the corrupt housing system scheme?.


Exactly.... Swedes think that their small villages offer something... I like your desert analogy.

“I’m thirsty... guess I better go to the desert” hahaha

Right on point pepito!

I would make one correction, or addition to what you say....

“If Sweden is so top of the world then why is the ECONOMY so precarious”

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 30.Oct.2019, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 30.Oct.2019, 04:40 PM) *
You complain about the housing situation in Sweden...

You complain about the lack if employment in your native country...

Maybe you should think of a third country with ample housing and jobs...


For the many people that immigrate to America for better opportunities, or other countries as other can attest to, I have never heard them complain about the difficulty of stable adequate housing.

You understand so little. You are a coward just like your ancestors.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 30.Oct.2019, 05:46 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Oct.2019, 03:56 PM) *
Would you move to the desert when there is no water, food, jobs or anything of value? Or instead would you move to a place in which you have highest chances to find work?.

If sweden is so top of the world then why is rental market so precarious despite your country is almost empty?. Are you swedes that incompetent or it's just they are doing it on purpose to force people buy an apartment and feed the corrupt housing system scheme?.


You have been given multiple pointers to where there is loads of open space available. But that is not of any use to you, you want to live in the same place as everyone else. Does this clarify things on how a country can have a low population density and have a housing shortage simultaneously?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Oct.2019, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 30.Oct.2019, 05:51 PM) *
For the many people that immigrate to America for better opportunities, or other countries as other can attest to, I have never heard them complain about the difficulty of stable adequate housing.

You understand so little. You are a coward just like your ancestors.


Correct!. Met someone who lived and worked in 7 different countries. She told me that she was shocked to see how difficult it was to find rental in sweden, she complained about the strictness of the short term rental contracts and how it was almost impossible for her to find a job with English only. She had been in other countries, managed to secure rental and found jobs without having to speak the local language in the other countries she lived while in sweden she struggled.

What is disappointing and deceptive about sweden is how they portrayed themselves to the international media as open, tolerant and a country of opportunities but then in the real world securing a rental for more than 6 months is almost impossible and finding a job without swedish is only possible if you have a connection or get a job at a very international company.

The thing is people should be aware about what the rental market is like in sweden and the crude reality of finding a job without speaking swedish which means a no go.

I lived in another country in which English was second language and I found a job in 1 month. Never had the problems I had in sweden.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 30.Oct.2019, 07:23 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Oct.2019, 01:08 PM) *
Here in sweden they are incredibly strict and they make excuses with their language. Sweden is almost bilingual so English is second language but despite it, it's almost impossible to find a job without swedish unless you get to a international company and have very high degrees and connections.
The companies are always making excuses, when it's because you don't speak swedish, it's because they treat your education as less valuable, then age, then this then that and so on.

I have met people who had worked in 7 different countries, people who had a wide experience working abroad and they told me to be shocked for how difficult it is to get hired in sweden as a foreigner who speaks English only.


How unusual... Swedish companies want employees to be able to speak some Swedish. They must be really racist...

Why the hell should Swedes bend over backwards to employ someone who does not speak any Swedish? This is Sweden. Get with the program.



Posted by: gsurya 30.Oct.2019, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 30.Oct.2019, 07:23 PM) *
How unusual... Swedish companies want employees to be able to speak some Swedish. They must be really racist...

Why the hell should Swedes bend over backwards to employ someone who does not speak any Swedish? This is Sweden. Get with the program.


Completely agree. At least in Sweden, most locals speak some English, unlike in Germany, France or Italy.

Immigrants into Sweden, especially those entering the workforce, must make an effort to learn Swedish (though I myself havent, yet) blink.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Oct.2019, 08:31 PM

Amazing that so many complain about the life they made for themselves, yet they never try to move someplace where they can improve their conditions and be happy...


Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 31.Oct.2019, 12:34 AM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 30.Oct.2019, 08:23 PM) *
How unusual... Swedish companies want employees to be able to speak some Swedish. They must be really racist...

Why the hell should Swedes bend over backwards to employ someone who does not speak any Swedish? This is Sweden. Get with the program.


In other countries you can find jobs with English alone. In sweden they constantly brag about their perfect English but then they keep people who don't speak swedish out even though in practice you don't need swedish in many jobs.

I was in another EU country and managed to find jobs without having to speak their local language. English was enough.

In sweden they know their language is not appealing and they also know many move in because they heard about swedes are bilingual. I was told in Spain that swedes don't need foreigners to speak swedish in order to find a job which later when I moved in I discovered it was a lie like most of the Pr about sweden.

Posted by: ersel 31.Oct.2019, 03:41 AM



QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 29.Oct.2019, 10:34 PM) *
Do you have the link to the interview? I feel the same about the "sect" thing. How everybody gives me similar answers, how women act in similar ways, their nonverbal communication with no differences. Weird.


Starting from the part 2:

”2. ALLA ÄR OLIKA
Det är en sekt, och den sekten stannar kvar hela tiden även om det finns bättre spelare där ute.”

https://www.expressen.se/sport/qs/intervju-zlatan-/


Posted by: ersel 31.Oct.2019, 03:56 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 30.Oct.2019, 08:31 PM) *
Amazing that so many complain about the life they made for themselves, yet they never try to move someplace where they can improve their conditions and be happy...


Actually, not true on several accounts.

First of all, the system in the country systematically prevents people from improving their conditions here so that they can create conditions to move abroad and be employable. It is done systematically, people are put in debt, not given jobs, discriminated against both in housing market, and more importantly (even though these two things are intertwined) in job market. Both of these are well known facts, well covered throughout the years by the mainstream swedish media, and well documented beyond any doubt. There is also a firm statistics on this, published throughout the years, in Sweden. Inlåsningseffekt - "the lock up effect", is well known term used in this context, to describe how people are kept outside everything and living month to month in hope of a breakthrough, that never happens.

Second of all, on quora there was one thread that I remember, where one woman (foreigner) clearly stated that she knew people who lived for some time in Sweden and lost the will to live, literally.

They have eventually moved abroad and regained their lives (literally), never to return back.

It is, hence, not true what you say, some people actually move out of the country, after arriving as the immigrants, and even while having relatively highly payed, skilled jobs, and they never return. I have met several of them, not a small number. They have moved to all over EU, other scandinavian countries and elsewhere in the world, not returning here, ever.

So Gamla, as usual, you are not only ignorant, shallow and downright bigoted in repeating the same old rant you do - every few pages, but you base your claims on outright inaccuracies and lies.

Posted by: Gjeebes 31.Oct.2019, 04:21 AM

"Amazing that so many complain about the life they made for themselves, yet they never try to move someplace where they can improve their conditions and be happy..."

Wrong again retard. The only amazing thing is how you continuously share your "thoughts" (yes, being generous here) about topics you don't comprehend and otherwise know nothing about first hand. You essentially have a continuous tantrum about a book you've never read, or a movie you've never watched.

And what's even more amazing, about you, Gamla, you idiot-stick, is how you constantly yourself complain, about your perceived notion of all the complaints here.

Have you ever considered your generous take on Meatballia, doesn't match with what is being presented here, because you yourself have never lived there?

Of course you haven't due to your overwhelming retardation and cognitive decline, which I am guessing is something you have had to struggle with all your pitiful life.

"They have eventually moved abroad and regained their lives (literally), never to return back."

BINGO!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 31.Oct.2019, 11:32 AM

QUOTE (ersel @ 31.Oct.2019, 04:56 AM) *
Actually, not true on several accounts.

First of all, the system in the country systematically prevents people from improving their conditions here so that they can create conditions to move abroad and be employable. It is done systematically, people are put in debt, not given jobs, discriminated against both in housing market, and more importantly (even though these two things are intertwined) in job market. Both of these are well known facts, well covered throughout the years by the mainstream swedish media, and well documented beyond any doubt. There is also a firm statistics on this, published throughout the years, in Sweden. Inlåsningseffekt - "the lock up effect", is well known term used in this context, to describe how people are kept outside everything and living month to month in hope of a breakthrough, that never happens.

Second of all, on quora there was one thread that I remember, where one woman (foreigner) clearly stated that she knew people who lived for some time in Sweden and lost the will to live, literally.

They have eventually moved abroad and regained their lives (literally), never to return back.

It is, hence, not true what you say, some people actually move out of the country, after arriving as the immigrants, and even while having relatively highly payed, skilled jobs, and they never return. I have met several of them, not a small number. They have moved to all over EU, other scandinavian countries and elsewhere in the world, not returning here, ever.

So Gamla, as usual, you are not only ignorant, shallow and downright bigoted in repeating the same old rant you do - every few pages, but you base your claims on outright inaccuracies and lies.



Do you have that quora post?.
Another things I have noticed is how swedish media and even arbetsförmedlingen says that people who cannot find jobs in sweden are most likely poorly educated. That's an insult to those who have an education and can't even work in a warehouse. The swedish view is classicism.


QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 31.Oct.2019, 05:21 AM) *
"Amazing that so many complain about the life they made for themselves, yet they never try to move someplace where they can improve their conditions and be happy..."

Wrong again retard. The only amazing thing is how you continuously share your "thoughts" (yes, being generous here) about topics you don't comprehend and otherwise know nothing about first hand. You essentially have a continuous tantrum about a book you've never read, or a movie you've never watched.

And what's even more amazing, about you, Gamla, you idiot-stick, is how you constantly yourself complain, about your perceived notion of all the complaints here.

Have you ever considered your generous take on Meatballia, doesn't match with what is being presented here, because you yourself have never lived there?

Of course you haven't due to your overwhelming retardation and cognitive decline, which I am guessing is something you have had to struggle with all your pitiful life.

"They have eventually moved abroad and regained their lives (literally), never to return back."

BINGO!



Good to see you are sane in this bubble called sweden.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 31.Oct.2019, 07:30 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 31.Oct.2019, 01:34 AM) *
In other countries you can find jobs with English alone. In sweden they constantly brag about their perfect English but then they keep people who don't speak swedish out even though in practice you don't need swedish in many jobs.

I was in another EU country and managed to find jobs without having to speak their local language. English was enough.

In sweden they know their language is not appealing and they also know many move in because they heard about swedes are bilingual. I was told in Spain that swedes don't need foreigners to speak swedish in order to find a job which later when I moved in I discovered it was a lie like most of the Pr about sweden.


Swedish is not appealing? You are an idiot.

Posted by: ersel 31.Oct.2019, 07:45 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 31.Oct.2019, 07:30 PM) *
Swedish is not appealing? You are an idiot.



You have just proclaimed a good part of native swedes (who say the same as @pepito) to be idiots, but keep on.
Your constant displays of being out of touch with the reality are just amusing, as sad as they are.

In what way the language spoken by a relative small part of earth's human population is (by the definition) appealing, apart from by it's scarcity ? Are you able to think (logically) at all ?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 31.Oct.2019, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 31.Oct.2019, 08:30 PM) *
Swedish is not appealing? You are an idiot.


You are...


Posted by: ersel 31.Oct.2019, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 30.Oct.2019, 05:46 PM) *
You have been given multiple pointers to where there is loads of open space available. But that is not of any use to you, you want to live in the same place as everyone else.


Yes, and that has been explained previously in one other post.
The reason he wants to live in the same place as everyone else is the opportunities, and that he is, as european, used to the place with some life in it, as opposed to desolate, empty places with no life in them, no opportunities for job or social life (whatever that is in Sweden).
But you, as well as some of you "natives" here at the forum, who react at anything even remotely negative mentioned like someone is removing the healthy tooth out of their jaw, cannot see any of the side of reality that does not suit you skewed national(istic) feelings, or your thesis, shame on reality when it does not suit your thesis or desires.

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 30.Oct.2019, 05:46 PM) *
Does this clarify things on how a country can have a low population density and have a housing shortage simultaneously?


Housing shortage is a product of the desire to make the profit out of on of the humans most basic needs - a place to live.
This can be solved, but it is not, and that is done on the purpose. Not all countries are like that, and you might start to ask yourself why, or how come.
For the prices and rents existing in the country vs. what it has to offer in terms of life, socialising, accessibility to job, stores, etc. , all in all it does not make for a very attractive proposition, many people have remarked exactly that.
Yet, you and some of you here cherry-pick and twist "the arguments" however it suits your (completely skewed and incomplete) views the best.
It is even beyond ridiculous.


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