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The Referendum - Vote to Leave the EU!

Footballers & Ex Pats - what happens next

Kari
post 26.Jun.2016, 10:57 PM
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Location: Sweden
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Therehasbeen a lot of whining about the benefits the EU-migrants get in UK. But what about the benefits Brits get outside of UK?

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Unemployed Britons in Europe are drawing much more in benefits and allowances in the wealthier EU countries than their nationals are claiming in the UK, despite the British government’s arguments about migrants flocking in to the country to secure better welfare payments.

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There are not only far more Britons drawing benefits in these countries than vice versa, but frequently the benefits elsewhere in Europe are much more generous than in the UK. A Briton in France receives more than three times as much as a jobless French person in the UK.
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/ja...aim-benefits-eu

So these expats have reason to worry now. If UK stays in EEA, they don't have to worry. But will UK stay in EEA?
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The EEA is based on the same "four freedoms" as the European Community: the free movement of goods, persons, services, and capital among the EEA countries.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Economic_Area
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TheJockMcTavishExperience
post 27.Jun.2016, 03:23 AM
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Joined: 16.Jan.2016

QUOTE (Kari @ 26.Jun.2016, 09:58 PM) *
People only whine about the EU fee but how much did Scotland receive from EU fonds? Of course they would not be well off as an independant country outside EU.

Kari.

Scotland has received no funds from mainland Europe. None. For 43 years, as part of the UK, they were a net contributor of funds.

Your second sentence perhaps requires some explanation.
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Hisingen
post 27.Jun.2016, 09:36 AM
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Joined: 5.Jul.2012

On its whisky, one would think.
They must have a terrific turnover on the German border - selling it to Swedes.
Swedes like kari, who, judging from those wonky postings must be imbibing vast quantities, hence the inebriated texts. tongue.gif
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LLHope
post 27.Jun.2016, 11:08 AM
Post #34
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 1.Jan.2014

QUOTE (Kari @ 26.Jun.2016, 09:57 PM) *
Therehasbeen a lot of whining about the benefits the EU-migrants get in UK. But what about the benefits Brits get outside of UK?
The article you link is useless comparison provided by a left-leaning pro-EU newspaper. It fails miserably to mention that most of Europe does not have Unemployment Benefit! It is unemployment insurance in most cases, where employers also pay heavily into the pool and there are strict qualification requirements.

It also fails to mention UK Tax Credits, which are not unemployment based but provide HUGE benefits if you get them (even whilst a worker). Low paid workers will most likely receive so-called tax credits, for example, the moment you get any tax credit (yes even 1p) then you are entitled to a mass of other benefits including free dental care!. There are very few countries that offer such, heck you don't even get that when unemployed in Sweden!
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Kari
post 28.Jun.2016, 01:33 PM
Post #35
Location: Sweden
Joined: 16.Jun.2016

Here is what will or might happen in UK after the break. (But when will the final break happen? In two years? EU wants UK to get at out as soon as possible but UK seems to be stalling.)

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SO a new independent Britain is dawning as the UK prepares to leave the EU.

But what will it mean for your personal finances?
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The price of your holiday is likely to rise and the price of a beer abroad will go up
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Mobile phones charges are capped by the EU so calls abroad could soar
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Will my mortgage or rent rise?

Interest rates have been at an all-time low for years but the fall in the pound is likely to mean the Bank of England will push up interest rates.

The cost of borrowing may rise by 0.7 per cent to 1.1 per cent and as landlords' costs would increase, rents would also shoot up.
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How will Brexit affect benefit payments?

If the economy slows down, as the Remain campaign suggests, the income the government receives from taxes will drop.

The shortfall is estimated at between £28billion and £44billion by 2019-2202

This means they may opt for more cuts to save money, or higher taxes to raise more.

Welfare accounts for 28 per cent of Treasury spending so benefits could be hit hard.

A report by the National Institute of Social and Economic Research (Niesr) said some families could lose as much as £2,771 a year.
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Will taxes go up?
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More likely is an extended period of austerity.


And some comments:
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Why didn't you tell us before?
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All info it would have been good to know BEFORE the vote. Thanks Sun


Actually the information was known before the referendum but then The Sun and the other Leave-propagandists dismissed this as "scaremongering" and "project fear". Now that the voters have voted "right", the Sun can write about possible negative consequences too.

Some will win, some will loose. And many of the Leave-voters may be on the loosing side. But who cares about money as long as Britain is independant? Not Rupert Murdoch, guess he is well off not to care. And he is an Americina citizen living in New York.
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Hisingen
post 28.Jun.2016, 02:04 PM
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Joined: 5.Jul.2012

kari - the king/queen of the cut'n-pasters.
What a tosser.
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Kari
post 28.Jun.2016, 03:31 PM
Post #37
Location: Sweden
Joined: 16.Jun.2016

Boris Johnsn (next prime minister?) is painting a very rosy picture of the future:

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I cannot stress too much that Britain is part of Europe, and always will be. There will still be intense and intensifying European cooperation and partnership in a huge number of fields: the arts, the sciences, the universities, and on improving the environment. EU citizens living in this country will have their rights fully protected, and the same goes for British citizens living in the EU.

British people will still be able to go and work in the EU; to live; to travel; to study; to buy homes and to settle down.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/06/26...urope--and-alw/

Too rosy a picture maybe. How can he state that there will be full free movement for Brits but not the corresponding for EU migrants?

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Yes, the Government will be able to take back democratic control of immigration policy, with a balanced and humane points-based system to suit the needs of business and industry.


Boris Johnson not only looks like a big baby; he thinks like a child too. Santa will give everything to UK. Is this how many Leave-voter thought it would be? No wonder they voted Leave then. All advantages and no disadvantages.
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Renfeh Hguh
post 28.Jun.2016, 04:40 PM
Post #38
Location: Not in Sweden
Joined: 1.May.2005

QUOTE (Hisingen @ 28.Jun.2016, 03:04 PM) *
kari - the king/queen of the cut'n-pasters.. What a tosser.

And from such a credible source LOL
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Hisingen
post 28.Jun.2016, 04:59 PM
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Joined: 5.Jul.2012

QUOTE (Savage @ 28.Jun.2016, 04:09 PM) *
Kari, I don't understand what you intentions are, or what you are trying to achieve.You are posting up snippets of information, taken out of context and sometimes from que ... (show full quote)

At a guess, little kari has been spurned by a Brit, and as a result dislikes everything British including the show of democracy that far exceeds that of his/hers/its own country that we know as a referendum. Such was held in Sweden years back, but the result was totally ignored by the government as being 'purely for reference'.
Now anything resembling democratic response, such as the Brexit/Bremain referendum is like a red rag to a bull for our little expert in all things political, including the cut'n paste of strange articles purporting to come from some 'valid source' or other.
Ah well, there are none so blind as - - - - - and as such is more to be pitied than blamed
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Kari
post 28.Jun.2016, 05:37 PM
Post #40
Location: Sweden
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QUOTE (Savage @ 28.Jun.2016, 05:09 PM) *
Kari,I don't understand what you intentions are, or what you are trying to achieve.You are posting up snippets of information, taken out of context and sometimes from ques ... (show full quote)

Have I quoted some false information? Is it forbidden to quote from papers?

Did not Boris Johnson write what I quoted? Do you think he is right? How do you imagine the future of Britain will be? Which kind of treaty?
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TLSucks
post 28.Jun.2016, 08:33 PM
Post #41
Joined: 12.Dec.2013

Boris Jonson is a moron if he really thinks the UK can keep all the benefits without making the sacrifices. No way the UK will have access to free movement of workers if it is not fully reciprocal.

Thinking the UK will have the same conditions as Norway is also a bit naive. Norways pays a fee quivalent what they would pay to be in the EU to get access to the common market. Also, Norway fully accepts the conditions on freedom of movement of workers. But most importantly, Norway did not exit. EU needs to make an example of the UK to prevent a domino effect. Unfortunately this also means that there is no way in hell Scotland will be able to join.
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Renfeh Hguh
post 28.Jun.2016, 09:22 PM
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Location: Not in Sweden
Joined: 1.May.2005

QUOTE (TLSucks @ 28.Jun.2016, 09:33 PM) *
EU needs to make an example of the UK to prevent a domino effect. Unfortunately this also means that there is no way in hell Scotland will be able to join.

France and Germany will look after themselves firstly and that is to calm down the markets and bring back consumer confidence and if that means making the Brexit painless for everyone, so be it.

If Scotland was to now push for independence on the back of the Brexit, then that will cause more uncertainty in the world economy, so I would expect that the EU will tell Scotland that they will need to go through the same processes as ever other EU applicant country
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TLSucks
post 28.Jun.2016, 11:35 PM
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Joined: 12.Dec.2013

QUOTE (Renfeh Hguh @ 28.Jun.2016, 08:22 PM) *
France and Germany will look after themselves firstly and that is to calm down the markets and bring back consumer confidence and if that means making the Brexit painless for ... (show full quote)


Spain will veto any attempt from Scotland. If Scotland joins Catalonia and Basque Country will split from Spain.
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Renfeh Hguh
post 29.Jun.2016, 06:30 AM
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Location: Not in Sweden
Joined: 1.May.2005

QUOTE (TLSucks @ 29.Jun.2016, 12:35 AM) *
Spain will veto any attempt from Scotland. If Scotland joins Catalonia and Basque Country will split from Spain.

Excellent point!!!

That Nicola Sturgeon does not appear to have the intelligence to realise this. Maybe she needs a reality chat with the Spanish PM.
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LLHope
post 29.Jun.2016, 01:29 PM
Post #45
Location: Stockholm
Joined: 1.Jan.2014

QUOTE (Renfeh Hguh @ 28.Jun.2016, 08:22 PM) *
France and Germany will look after themselves firstly and that is to calm down the markets and bring back consumer confidence and if that means making the Brexit painless for everyone, so be it.
Germany and France know that not only will the EU lose the 15% budget contribution the UK makes but also that the UK is a major market for them (Germany's #2 export market is UK). They have much more to lose than to gain by being too restrictive. Especially since France's economy is extremely shaky, Italy's banking system is on the verge of collapse, and Germany is already suffering from sanctions against Russia, plus financial system is shaky (Deutsche Bank is certainly in trouble, it had lost 60% of it's value way before Brexit!).

As the UK PM quite rightly said to the other Member State Leaders last night ...The EU needs decide what it is prepared to do to continue having access to the UK via the single market wink.gif
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