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Is the Swede a Human Being?

post 14.Nov.2006, 02:57 PM
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post 14.Nov.2006, 03:17 PM
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Great article, Torque.

Haven't heard of the book before ... no doubt it will hit the news here again, though, now it's made news abroad.

Thanks for the link!
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Ezpen The Caveman
post 14.Nov.2006, 03:19 PM
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QUOTE (Torque)

I am individualistic and very independent. Can't see why humans shouldn't be allowed to be individualistic.
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post 14.Nov.2006, 03:49 PM
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QUOTE (Espen The Conqurer)
I am individualistic and very independent. Can't see why humans shouldn't be allowed to be individualistic.

One word: Religion.
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*Holecutter >the Howl From*
post 14.Nov.2006, 04:09 PM
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Interesting article and most probably a good but biased book. However, I would have liked to see more words with a clearer descriptive meaning like; retards, inbreds has-beens and wannabes. Just to appease the jaded amongst us or for those of us who refuse to wear rose colored glasses.

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post 14.Nov.2006, 04:12 PM
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I used to like to wind up my Swedish friends in London by telling them that Swedes are elves. I could never have imagined how people would be so keen to disassociate themselves from being higher life forms and insist on their own fallibility and normality.

I don't do it here obviously because people would think I'm mental and avoid me.

I'm going to have to read this book.
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Gustav- Fælbönnran
post 14.Nov.2006, 05:21 PM
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The authors may be on to something.

Many of my American friends say that they feel like they should be doing something more meaningful with their lives, but cannot leave their current job because they would lose access to health insurance. We have more freedom to pursue our individual interests here in Sweden.

The authors thesis about our basic temperment is interesting, but I sometimes think that there are two Swedens; an urban Sweden, and the rest of us.

When I am in Stockholm, I am frequently struck by how similar people look to me- same haircuts and dye jobs, same clothes, same accessories, etc. When I get back to Jamtland, or other more rural areas, I see much more variety in these areas.

Jamts, in particular, are less likely to care what other people think is currently in vogue. Actually, we are probably less likely to care what other people think, altogether.
In fact, the lot of you can sod off...
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Survey Says . . . . .
post 14.Nov.2006, 06:47 PM
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Tell your American friends to price up Blue Cross Blue Shield. It's really not that expensive, even for a family of 4. (I'm not saying it's cheap, but cheaper per person than socialized medicine).

In my opinion, there is generally a huge difference between Swedes who have lived overseas for several years, and those who have not. Probably same w/ all countries, but the Swede who has lived overseas is probably more likely to openly criticize the Swedish way of doing things, socialism, quality of life, etc.
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post 14.Nov.2006, 09:27 PM
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VHW - Might be worth a check of the library for this book. I´ll take a look. If you buy it instead, please pass onto me afterwards.

Edit. I can´t read such an intellectual book in Swedish. I´ll stick to me Tintin thanks sad.gif
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post 14.Nov.2006, 09:41 PM
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The authors, Lars Tragardh and Henrik Berggren, both historians, argue that Swedes are more individualistic even than Americans, those notional world champions of rugged, swaggering individualism. The welfare state, they say, is the prime proof of this.

Ivar Ekman... are you taking the piss?
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*Bad New World*
post 14.Nov.2006, 10:05 PM
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I believe that the authors must have been drunk every time they sat at the table and wrote a new chapter.
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post 15.Nov.2006, 04:12 AM
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But I doubt many of my swedish friends will get it, as objectivity isn't their thing.In my case most visits to sweden these days have become a constant conflict as ppl see me as a whinger/ becasuse teh food I have ordered is crap and I tell the waiter, because I refuse to tip for useless non existent so called customer service -that I complain and behave like a crazy woman after waiting 45 mins to get through to telia , arbertformeldning or whatever institution there is , that I complain about no real thai food, that I say that the forest is so beautiful you should take advantage of it, that nu clear needs to be rid of this world and that the system sucks and you should think for yourself.
The book surely addresses why I feel this way and why ppl are so god damn non caring about things that concern them.
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post 15.Nov.2006, 04:38 AM
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Well, here is obviously the Christmas book for all Swedish readers on your gift list.

nettani, sadly, maybe it's individualism gone to extreme why you get such crap customer service. People are not pleasers in their job when they can expect that they won't be fired, and all the individuals working don't want to be told what to do. Sadly, doing a great job is not what most people would choose as what constitutes individuation, but then again, most jobs aren't creative, so who can blame them?

As for not looking at bigger issues, like nuclear power, again, it seems that individuation is based on realizing infantile or adolescent longings, and not from a fully actualized adult perspective (Abraham Maslow) which would take a deeper, connected view of society. But then, we aren't living in societies which encourage lifestyles that would mature the person to this level of thinking, are we?
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post 15.Nov.2006, 07:26 AM
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One is of what the authors call "people who love their country's stones" - a nation of shy nature lovers, ill at ease in the company of others, happiest when wandering alone in one of Sweden's many vast, dark forests.

Well, this definitely describes my Swede. smile.gif I think the author may be on to something.
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post 15.Nov.2006, 08:55 AM
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While on the road doing business, people use to ask me alot what are Swede's like? My answer..
"Swede's are like a Volvo, square, safe and functional"
Another friend of mine would say..
"they are the Borg in Startrack, they operate as one collective"
Either way...
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