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Posted by: Lix018 7.Nov.2017, 06:00 PM

Dear colleges,

I am an MSc international student currently living in Sweden. After several months here, (previously as an Erasmus student) me and my girlfriend decided to try to stay here as long as we can. The university in where I am studying have already offered me the possibility of starting a PhD. However, things are becoming complex because my gf can't find a job.

She came to Sweden 2 months ago but she has been looking for a job here since May. After trying so hard finally she started to get interviews but with any result. A summary of her profile is as follows:

She speaks 5 languages: Spanish (native), Catalan (native), German (almost native), English (almost native), Italian (professional skills) and also she is learning Swedish by herself (currently she can write properly, reading the newspaper understanding almost complex audios and she is starting to speak fluent). She is excellent with languages, she holds as well a B2 level in french but she said that she can't speak properly (however she gets almost everything).

Moreover she has a really good education background : she finished a “licenciatura” in German Studies (which is the equivalent to a Bachelor+Master, the programme had 305 ECTS credits), she finished this year a degree in Journalism, Advertisement and Media (4 years programme, 240 ECTS credits), she has half of a MA in Graphic Design and Media Creation (30 credits) and a Diploma in Luxury and Fashion media management (another 30 credits).

In addition, she has been working since she started the second degree in her sector (Digital Marketing and Media), achieving almost 5 years of experience and even holding manager’s positions.

Despite of everything mentioned above she always is rejected in the last step of the selection process. Usually the reasons because she is rejected are:

1. She is overqualified (WTF?).
2. They have promote someone from inside the company.
3. No reasons, they just not "invite" her to the final interview.

I was wondering if someone of you could give us some recommendations because she is getting tired of trying so hard and we don't understand why she is rejected.

Posted by: flaneur 7.Nov.2017, 06:13 PM

Honey, that’s some bad karma right there.

Posted by: yet another brit 7.Nov.2017, 08:55 PM

Being able to speak all those languages, and having those particular qualifications, counts for nothing. She is operating in the Swedish market, in things that probably need local knowledge and fluent Swedish (how can you jump out of the frame in marketing, digital or otherwise, if you don't know the language & culture?). The excuses given are standard ones. Don't take them personally!

Look for jobs in internationally-facing roles, is some advice.

Posted by: Lix018 7.Nov.2017, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (yet another brit @ 7.Nov.2017, 08:55 PM) *
Being able to speak all those languages, and having those particular qualifications, counts for nothing. She is operating in the Swedish market, in things that probably need local knowledge and fluent Swedish (how can you jump out of the frame in marketing, digital or otherwise, if you don't know the language & culture?). The excuses given are standard ones. Don't take them personally!

Look for jobs in internationally-facing roles, is some advice.


Hi another brit, she is having interviews with international companies or with companies that want to expand their business to Germany or UK. Of course she is going to improve her Swedish over the time, but we just do not understand why she is rejected if the Swedish knowledge does not appear even in the requirements or the pluses in the job offer.

Moreover, after being a couple of months here I don't understand how a Swedish graduate could be better than her. At least in my field (engineering), I have found Swedish engineers with huge shortage of knowledge, even the KTH ones, which it is supposed to be the best university here. Also, another friends that are studying in different fields around all Sweden told me the same.

I will encourage her to still trying in international companies. I hope that she will find something and I will wait for more advice.

Best Regards

Posted by: yet another brit 7.Nov.2017, 09:51 PM

QUOTE (Lix018 @ 7.Nov.2017, 09:40 PM) *
At least in my field (energy engineering), I have found Swedish engineers with huge shortage of knowledge, even the KTH ones, which it is supposed to be the best university here. Also, another friends that are studying in different fields around all Sweden told me the same.


Well, believing that the locals are the best isn't exactly unique to Sweden (at this point, I will retire quietly and let Gjeebes and the usuals weigh in).

Sweden is a small country, for sure.

Posted by: yuyu2809 9.Nov.2017, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (Lix018 @ 7.Nov.2017, 09:40 PM) *
At least in my field (engineering), I have found Swedish engineers with huge shortage of knowledge, even the KTH ones, which it is supposed to be the best university here.


Sorry for deviating a little bit from the topic, but may I ask you what do you think of working as an engineer in Sweden?

I am in a similar situation than your girlfriend, except that my Swedish is an A1 level so far, and that I am an Aeronautical Engineer. I am limiting my search to Umea and Örnskoldsvik so far (and maybe that's why I haven't had many interviews), but do you think that, in Stockholm and around, there are better chances for a foreign engineer to get a job where a high level of Swedish is not required?

MVH.

Posted by: flaneur 9.Nov.2017, 04:55 PM

Oh look at you bragging with all these references in a country where ”lagom” is the way of living. If she was bragging like that at those interviews, no wonder she never got any job. Sweden is not the place where you’re supposed to show them how good (or better) you are.

I didn’t even include architectural competitions that I won in my CV lol. Chill a bit. Nobody cares about her fluent German or Indonesian.

The only thing that matters is that she’s willing to make an effort to learn Swedish, not to brag about ”how we do it in my country” and to keep it simple.

Source: Got plenty of job offers here. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Bsmith 9.Nov.2017, 05:12 PM

Here is a perfect example of the idiocy going on in Sweden. We've got an obviously intelligent and qualified person who would be an asset to many companies not to mention the country as a whole and who cannot find a job in Sweden and most likely will have to leave. But find an unemployed Syrian carpenter and the government will welcome him with open arms and supply him with two homes (one for each wife and family) and money for living expenses all in the name of cultural enrichment.

Go figure.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 9.Nov.2017, 06:31 PM

Liberalism is a wonderful virtue, extolled by all that receive it's bounty...

When Swedish carpenters came to America, all they could do was build log cabins, and support themselves...not really up to Liberal standards...

Posted by: Svedallas 9.Nov.2017, 06:53 PM

QUOTE (yet another brit @ 7.Nov.2017, 08:55 PM) *
Being able to speak all those languages, and having those particular qualifications, counts for nothing. She is operating in the Swedish market, in things that probably need local knowledge and fluent Swedish (how can you jump out of the frame in marketing, digital or otherwise, if you don't know the language & culture?). The excuses given are standard ones. Don't take them personally!

Look for jobs in internationally-facing roles, is some advice.


This is Sweden. And you need Swedish! All other languages are void here...

Also, she has no experience working in Sweden. That will also be a second challenge.

She could take years to get a job. Just be aware of that.

Read the many threads...
Or she could strike luck...real luck!

Posted by: Cheeseroller 9.Nov.2017, 07:24 PM

Ask her to send her CV to me at a throwaway email address: sandybeach968@gmail.com . I may have some part time work that matches some of her qualifications and experience.

Posted by: Gjeebes 9.Nov.2017, 08:20 PM

Sweden really lacks opportunities, and standards. And why do you think it is that they are constantly advertising they are so hot with "equality" and other such things (hint: think sleazy used-car salesman). They can't afford to "allow" foreigners (not always, but in general) to show them up (easily done on many fronts, even without trying or realising).

Couple the xenophobia (Swedish multi-culti is a misguided joke...don't believe it is anything but mono-culture here) to the nepotism, and people like you and your GF "leave", promptly.

Don't waste your time trying to "make-it-work" in Sweden, it likely never will, and they don't deserve you anyhow. Try Germany, where you can have a decent career AND an interesting, fun, non-predictable social life that isn't contingent on joining bullshit clubs to make "awkward" and very boring "friends" (as in Sweden).

Take a hint, you saw it already at KTH, your friends see it elsewhere, and your GF is experiencing it also...it only gets worse the farther you get from so-called "prestigious" Swedish unis, and when you are smarter and more capable than your would be boss, you are truly screwed. (sure, that can happen anywhere, but in Sweden, it is much more likely).

Just get out and never look back.

Posted by: flaneur 9.Nov.2017, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 9.Nov.2017, 08:20 PM) *
Sweden really lacks opportunities, and standards. And why do you think it is that they are constantly advertising they are so hot with "equality" and other such things (hint: think sleazy used-car salesman). They can't afford to "allow" foreigners (not always, but in general) to show them up (easily done on many fronts, even without trying or realising).

Couple the xenophobia (Swedish multi-culti is a misguided joke...don't believe it is anything but mono-culture here) to the nepotism, and people like you and your GF "leave", promptly.

Don't waste your time trying to "make-it-work" in Sweden, it likely never will, and they don't deserve you anyhow. Try Germany, where you can have a decent career AND an interesting, fun, non-predictable social life that isn't contingent on joining bullshit clubs to make "awkward" and very boring "friends" (as in Sweden).

Take a hint, you saw it already at KTH, your friends see it elsewhere, and your GF is experiencing it also...it only gets worse the farther you get from so-called "prestigious" Swedish unis, and when you are smarter and more capable than your would be boss, you are truly screwed. (sure, that can happen anywhere, but in Sweden, it is much more likely).

Just get out and never look back.


Honey I can’t help but admit that I enjoy reading your thoughts more than hanging out with Swedish people...including my b/f. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Genaro 10.Nov.2017, 09:56 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 9.Nov.2017, 08:20 PM) *
Sweden really lacks opportunities, and standards. And why do you think it is that they are constantly advertising they are so hot with "equality" and other such things (hint: think sleazy used-car salesman). They can't afford to "allow" foreigners (not always, but in general) to show them up (easily done on many fronts, even without trying or realising).

Couple the xenophobia (Swedish multi-culti is a misguided joke...don't believe it is anything but mono-culture here) to the nepotism, and people like you and your GF "leave", promptly.

Don't waste your time trying to "make-it-work" in Sweden, it likely never will, and they don't deserve you anyhow. Try Germany, where you can have a decent career AND an interesting, fun, non-predictable social life that isn't contingent on joining bullshit clubs to make "awkward" and very boring "friends" (as in Sweden).

Take a hint, you saw it already at KTH, your friends see it elsewhere, and your GF is experiencing it also...it only gets worse the farther you get from so-called "prestigious" Swedish unis, and when you are smarter and more capable than your would be boss, you are truly screwed. (sure, that can happen anywhere, but in Sweden, it is much more likely).

Just get out and never look back.


One the best summaries of Sweden I've seen for a while.

Posted by: Svedallas 10.Nov.2017, 12:02 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 9.Nov.2017, 08:20 PM) *
Sweden really lacks opportunities, and standards. And why do you think it is that they are constantly advertising they are so hot with "equality" and other such things (hint: think sleazy used-car salesman). They can't afford to "allow" foreigners (not always, but in general) to show them up (easily done on many fronts, even without trying or realising).

Couple the xenophobia (Swedish multi-culti is a misguided joke...don't believe it is anything but mono-culture here) to the nepotism, and people like you and your GF "leave", promptly.

Don't waste your time trying to "make-it-work" in Sweden, it likely never will, and they don't deserve you anyhow. Try Germany, where you can have a decent career AND an interesting, fun, non-predictable social life that isn't contingent on joining bullshit clubs to make "awkward" and very boring "friends" (as in Sweden).

Take a hint, you saw it already at KTH, your friends see it elsewhere, and your GF is experiencing it also...it only gets worse the farther you get from so-called "prestigious" Swedish unis, and when you are smarter and more capable than your would be boss, you are truly screwed. (sure, that can happen anywhere, but in Sweden, it is much more likely).

Just get out and never look back.


+1

And when they advertise. There is that 90% possibility that the position was already filled, internally. They just follow protocol as they "must" advertise.

And people question why they should be a part of a Union.
Go figure...

When there are more people than jobs, the job market is impossible.
Germany is your best bet. Or those skills will be wasted in a job you really do not want.

Posted by: Lix018 10.Nov.2017, 12:39 PM

Hi again mates,

QUOTE
Sorry for deviating a little bit from the topic, but may I ask you what do you think of working as an engineer in Sweden?

I am in a similar situation than your girlfriend, except that my Swedish is an A1 level so far, and that I am an Aeronautical Engineer.


With that level of Swedish probably you're fucked up. After my Erasmus semester the first thing that I have done is get my personnummer as well as get into the SFI. I'm almost sure that without (at least) the D course completed you don't have any chance. However, I have a couple of friends that are working as an engineers without Swedish but they have 2 masters and they are really high qualified.

The main problem of my girlfriend is that in my city you can't not be inside the SFI if you don't have a personnummer. Now she is between a B1 and B2 in fact, she was able to do one of the three interviews in Swedish with not so much troubles. Despite of that she would love to reach at least a C1 but without any teacher we think that is too difficult.

QUOTE
Oh look at you bragging with all these references in a country where ”lagom” is the way of living. If she was bragging like that at those interviews, no wonder she never got any job. Sweden is not the place where you’re supposed to show them how good (or better) you are.


Well mate, I think that you are being a little bit rude blink.gif . We know that we are foreigners and of course she is not bragging in the interviews. When we came here we went the employment service of my university for get some tips about the usual staff (CV format, interviews, negotiation etc.). Also, we follow the advice of a friend of mine that is working as a HR manager in a really big company here and I believe that she knows (or at least she has an idea) how to drive an interview in Sweden.

Finally, we have noticed that a lot of trainees programmes offer Swedish language education, but the problem is that most of them have the experience requirements in less than 3 years. Do you think that despite of the experience that she has, she would be eligible for trainee programme?

I will appreciate if someone of you have a constructive comment, because I would love to do the PhD here and I think that after finishing it I will be able to speak Swedish properly.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 10.Nov.2017, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 9.Nov.2017, 05:12 PM) *
Here is a perfect example of the idiocy going on in Sweden. We've got an obviously intelligent and qualified person who would be an asset to many companies not to mention the country as a whole and who cannot find a job in Sweden and most likely will have to leave. But find an unemployed Syrian carpenter and the government will welcome him with open arms and supply him with two homes (one for each wife and family) and money for living expenses all in the name of cultural enrichment.

Go figure.


Do you honestly think this only applies to foreigners? I have a master's degree in engineering, in one of the most difficult subjects taught.
I have plenty of programming experience, have experience doing web-development and so on. I can't even get an interview, yet I see my acquaintance who dropped out of an integrated master's program, switched to a bsc program that he didn't even bother to finish, spent most of his weekends drunk off his ass and with the mindset that a single point above the lowest possible passing grade was a waste of time he also never wrote a single line of code voluntarily, he gets a job at one of the unicorns in Stockholm because he happened to know the right people.

One of my friends has a Phd in computer science, can't get a single job interview. All the while a third friend who didn't even complete 90 ECTS credits, and the few credits she did pass was in soft side courses like interaction design, she also never wrote a single line of code voluntarily. She now has a nice dev job.
A fourth acquaintance used to brag about how he couldn't even pass basic high-school maths, did a bachelor in some kind of psychology that he couldn't even be bothered to finish. He thinks that the pinnacle of programming competency is to write small web apps in django. Oh and lets not forget that he used to brag about how he couldn't afford food because he had spent all his money on drinking. He now has a comfortable job as a senior software tester.

Posted by: Svedallas 10.Nov.2017, 02:04 PM

QUOTE (Lix018 @ 10.Nov.2017, 12:39 PM) *
Hi again mates,



With that level of Swedish probably you're fucked up. After my Erasmus semester the first thing that I have done is get my personnummer as well as get into the SFI. I'm almost sure that without (at least) the D course completed you don't have any chance. However, I have a couple of friends that are working as an engineers without Swedish but they have 2 masters and they are really high qualified.

The main problem of my girlfriend is that in my city you can't not be inside the SFI if you don't have a personnummer. Now she is between a B1 and B2 in fact, she was able to do one of the three interviews in Swedish with not so much troubles. Despite of that she would love to reach at least a C1 but without any teacher we think that is too difficult.



Well mate, I think that you are being a little bit rude blink.gif . We know that we are foreigners and of course she is not bragging in the interviews. When we came here we went the employment service of my university for get some tips about the usual staff (CV format, interviews, negotiation etc.). Also, we follow the advice of a friend of mine that is working as a HR manager in a really big company here and I believe that she knows (or at least she has an idea) how to drive an interview in Sweden.

Finally, we have noticed that a lot of trainees programmes offer Swedish language education, but the problem is that most of them have the experience requirements in less than 3 years. Do you think that despite of the experience that she has, she would be eligible for trainee programme?

I will appreciate if someone of you have a constructive comment, because I would love to do the PhD here and I think that after finishing it I will be able to speak Swedish properly.


You have to prove that you are worth hiring more than a native Swede.
Read all the threads. This question comes up every 2/3 years.

Hate to break it to you, but in this current market, where Swedes are moving back to Sweden with international experience. You would need a masters + Phd + experience + fluent Swedish to break into the market. Everyone has a masters these days, so there is nothing unique about that...

Posted by: Bsmith 10.Nov.2017, 02:13 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 10.Nov.2017, 12:06 PM) *
Do you honestly think this only applies to foreigners? I have a master's degree in engineering, in one of the most difficult subjects taught.
I have plenty of programming experience, have experience doing web-development and so on. I can't even get an interview, yet I see my acquaintance who dropped out of an integrated master's program, switched to a bsc program that he didn't even bother to finish, spent most of his weekends drunk off his ass and with the mindset that a single point above the lowest possible passing grade was a waste of time he also never wrote a single line of code voluntarily, he gets a job at one of the unicorns in Stockholm because he happened to know the right people.

One of my friends has a Phd in computer science, can't get a single job interview. All the while a third friend who didn't even complete 90 ECTS credits, and the few credits she did pass was in soft side courses like interaction design, she also never wrote a single line of code voluntarily. She now has a nice dev job.
A fourth acquaintance used to brag about how he couldn't even pass basic high-school maths, did a bachelor in some kind of psychology that he couldn't even be bothered to finish. He thinks that the pinnacle of programming competency is to write small web apps in django. Oh and lets not forget that he used to brag about how he couldn't afford food because he had spent all his money on drinking. He now has a comfortable job as a senior software tester.


I didn't say that this only applies to foreigners. I was only making a comparison on the type of foreigners that Sweden is gung-ho on importing. It would seem to make more sense to me to court foreigners that would make a contribution to society if you cared anything about the future of your country. But I guess that the image of being the world leader of compassion is what is important. Funny thing is, in extending compassion to the (supposedly) down-trodden, Sweden's political leaders are short changing the native Swedes. Robbing Sven to pay Akbar.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 10.Nov.2017, 02:31 PM

> Do you honestly think this only applies to foreigners? I have a master's degree in engineering, in one of the most difficult subjects taught.

Why the hell don't you consider moving to Germany? Small and medium sized companies are crying out for engineers. Apartments are not difficult to find (except Munich and Berlin) and cost around 400€ for one room.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 10.Nov.2017, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 10.Nov.2017, 02:31 PM) *
> Do you honestly think this only applies to foreigners? I have a master's degree in engineering, in one of the most difficult subjects taught.

Why the hell don't you consider moving to Germany? Small and medium sized companies are crying out for engineers. Apartments are not difficult to find (except Munich and Berlin) and cost around 400€ for one room.


I don't speak German. And due to illness I have a long gap in my CV.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 10.Nov.2017, 02:45 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 10.Nov.2017, 02:13 PM) *
I didn't say that this only applies to foreigners. I was only making a comparison on the type of foreigners that Sweden is gung-ho on importing. It would seem to make more sense to me to court foreigners that would make a contribution to society if you cared anything about the future of your country. But I guess that the image of being the world leader of compassion is what is important. Funny thing is, in extending compassion to the (supposedly) down-trodden, Sweden's political leaders are short changing the native Swedes. Robbing Sven to pay Akbar.


Once again. You are probably seeing the effects of a work migration reform that was force upon most of the swedish population.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 10.Nov.2017, 03:32 PM

Nor do the Spanish, Greek, Italian and UK engineers that are being hired. Most German engineers speak English to a lesser or greater level. Some companies now provide in-house language classes.

Gap in the CV is probably more significant - depends if you can balance that out with your qualifications, experience and any specialism.

I would at least think it worth exploring. There's only so much daytime TV you can watch.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 10.Nov.2017, 04:34 PM

Lets not forget the importance of "networking", sadly, or maybe not, it's who you know, etc..

Newcomers usually haven't enough time to create contacts to compete with people who are native to the country they are in...

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 10.Nov.2017, 05:10 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 10.Nov.2017, 03:32 PM) *
Nor do the Spanish, Greek, Italian and UK engineers that are being hired. Most German engineers speak English to a lesser or greater level. Some companies now provide in-house language classes.

Gap in the CV is probably more significant - depends if you can balance that out with your qualifications, experience and any specialism.

I would at least think it worth exploring. There's only so much daytime TV you can watch.


I have started volounteering at various homework help organizations. I have started telling the children what the labor market for engineers is really like. One could say that I am fighting the system from within.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 10.Nov.2017, 10:37 PM

nativeswedishengineer - why don't you try to find project work on www.upwork.com? I've hired web developers, translators, graphic designers etc there. Tip - there is always a shortage of good Magento e-commerce developers and they charge top rates.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 10.Nov.2017, 10:41 PM

"In this report the Swedish National Board of Trade focuses on the situation of EU citizens who want to move and work in Sweden. While in many ways, it is easy to live in Sweden as an EU citizen, obstacles still remain that need to be overcome."

https://www.kommers.se/Documents/In_English/Publications/PDF/Moving-to-Sweden.pdf

Page 7:

"The Swedish Tax Agency assesses whether a per- son should be registered in the country’s popula- tion registry. In determining whether an EU citizen should be registered, the agency takes two things into account: the length of the EU citizen’s stay in Sweden, and the person’s right of residence for that year.

1) Intention to stay one year
The EU citizen must show that he or she will spend at least the coming year in Sweden.26 In order to meet the one-year criterion, the EU citizen may show, for instance, an employment contract or proof of a course of study that extends one year or more."

So if the employer has to provide a one year contract, are they still allowed a 3 month test period? If not, that places makes it a serious disadvantage to hire someone from another EU country, rather than a Swede.

Posted by: Gjeebes 11.Nov.2017, 07:46 AM

"...a serious disadvantage to hire someone from another EU country, rather than a Swede."

Hmmm, but everyone knows virtuous, multi-culti, "humanitarian example for the universe" Sweden would never operate with such dubious arrangements.

Don't you know its the "goodest" country? For two consecutive years even!

Posted by: the_austrian 11.Nov.2017, 12:10 PM

Hi smile.gif

She is a Spanish native, right? She should apply for native Spanish-speaking jobs, I think this will be her best bet.

Unfortunately, most of us here (expats) that are in the field of journalism hold a Master's degree or two and have extensive experience, however, I can only speak for myself that the first job I got here was a terrible sales job in which I had to speak my mother tongue (German) and from then onward I was able to get very close to my dream job smile.gif

I think your girlfriend will be doing great.

Try to apply for some of the Spanish-speaking jobs on LinkedIn:
https://www.linkedin.com/jobs/spanish-jobs/?country=se

Best wishes

Posted by: Cheeseroller 11.Nov.2017, 03:54 PM

Unlike you Gjeebes, I got on my bike and left the country :-)

Posted by: Gjeebes 11.Nov.2017, 03:56 PM

Not so fast Cheesey! Come January, we are outta here!

Posted by: Svedallas 11.Nov.2017, 05:02 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 11.Nov.2017, 03:56 PM) *
Not so fast Cheesey! Come January, we are outta here!


Germany or Denmark??

Posted by: Svedallas 11.Nov.2017, 05:11 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 10.Nov.2017, 10:41 PM) *
"In this report the Swedish National Board of Trade focuses on the situation of EU citizens who want to move and work in Sweden. While in many ways, it is easy to live in Sweden as an EU citizen, obstacles still remain that need to be overcome."

https://www.kommers.se/Documents/In_English/Publications/PDF/Moving-to-Sweden.pdf

Page 7:

"The Swedish Tax Agency assesses whether a per- son should be registered in the country’s popula- tion registry. In determining whether an EU citizen should be registered, the agency takes two things into account: the length of the EU citizen’s stay in Sweden, and the person’s right of residence for that year.

1) Intention to stay one year
The EU citizen must show that he or she will spend at least the coming year in Sweden.26 In order to meet the one-year criterion, the EU citizen may show, for instance, an employment contract or proof of a course of study that extends one year or more."

So if the employer has to provide a one year contract, are they still allowed a 3 month test period? If not, that places makes it a serious disadvantage to hire someone from another EU country, rather than a Swede.


This report should be pinned at the top of "Jobs" and "Life in Sweden"...

Posted by: rex 11.Nov.2017, 06:50 PM

One constructive suggestion.

Get her a social security number and send her to the Swedish courses. They usually take time but are worth it since nowadays that's how Swedes separate good from bad foreigners (the first step on the ladder). Or she could just get lucky with the perfect job where she is the perfect and absolutely outstanding candidate, my best bet would be with highly diverse international companies. It happens on occasion but only in some very specific fields, but maybe her field isn't like that. The old-style Swedish companies will most likely not hire her even if she knew Swedish, prospective employers here are highly nepotistic, which creates more problems for foreigners (but also even for the locals).

Check around the university for organizations that try to help academics and people with high education, you might get lucky there as well.

If we're being realistic, most foreigners in Sweden even the highly educated work jobs, for which they are overqualified, I think it's something above 70 percent, compared to less than 30 percent for the ethnic Swedes.

Posted by: StuntUya 13.Nov.2017, 06:42 PM

Where I'm from, I'd visit a witchdoctor and get cleansed, your girlfriend's ancestors don't want her to prosper fam,

my advice...hold a ceremony, brew some beer and consult a seer and find out what sort of bad juju is going on

Posted by: Bsmith 13.Nov.2017, 06:54 PM

Du-u-u-u-ude...

Posted by: Cheeseroller 13.Nov.2017, 06:58 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 11.Nov.2017, 03:56 PM) *
Not so fast Cheesey! Come January, we are outta here!


LOL! Well, good for you! Come February it will be 4 years for us and life is fun again.

Posted by: StuntUya 13.Nov.2017, 07:00 PM

Hahaha, I'm just saying though, people often dispute/dismiss that which they can't understand, as someone whose own father spent a substantial portion of his salary dabbling in the occult just so that I couldn't(wouldn't? I don't know the right syntax) get job, I know better than most how "artificially created" bad karma can stand in the way of your life,

However, maybe you're looking at your situation a bit to linearly...
with the kind of qualifications she has, she should at least be getting freelance work or other gigs which can help pay the bills why she learns the language and builds up her network, have you tried that?

Posted by: Gjeebes 14.Nov.2017, 06:53 AM

"I know better than most how "artificially created" bad karma can stand in the way..."

Well, is it "bad karma" (dude) or is it that your belief system keeps you prisoner?

Posted by: StuntUya 14.Nov.2017, 07:32 AM

We're all a prisoner of something isn't it? Still, I've realised because humanity itself is predicated on the ideals of believing in something, your belief systems will somehow always make sense to you, never mind how illogical it may seem...
...

..case in point, if OP were to hold a ceremony to cleanse his bad juju, it'd probably not work for him, if I were to do the same, it'd probably work for me.

It's all about perspective

PS: Trust me, I know how crazy all this sh*t sounds, I know, I'm an accountant, I believe in logic, but logic starts to seem a bit unfulfilling once you've seen a person's limb regrown in front of your own eyes.


Back to the story at hand, OP's girlfriend is too good for this nation, spread your wings elsewhere mate

Posted by: Gjeebes 14.Nov.2017, 12:39 PM

" but logic starts to seem a bit unfulfilling once you've seen a person's limb regrown in front of your own eyes."

Haha, sure...or it could just be down to all those hallucinogens ingested prior to said "ceremony".

Psychosomatic medicine is where it all began.

Don Juan, if you are really into this shit, you will love Castaneda.

Posted by: Tenacious185 14.Nov.2017, 12:57 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 14.Nov.2017, 12:39 PM) *
Haha, sure...or it could just be down to all those hallucinogens ingested prior to said "ceremony".


Unless he was at the aquarium. Starfish are ace at that "spontaneous limb regeneration" stuff.

Of course it can take up to a year, so it would be a damn long ceremony.

Posted by: john.boy 15.Nov.2017, 06:53 PM

QUOTE (Lix018 @ 7.Nov.2017, 06:00 PM) *
1. She is overqualified (WTF?).
2. They have promote someone from inside the company.
3. No reasons, they just not "invite" her to the final interview.

Speaking as an employer, nothing listed is unique to Sweden:

1. Why would I employ someone who is over qualified, it costs money and time to find a new employee. The risk is that an over qualified person will leave the first chance they got a better job that suited them more. She obviously did not convince the company that this was the only job for her, and the only company for her.

2. Standard practice in many companies. You want to fill a position with an internal candidate but Corporate policy says alternatives must be considered. Advertise, go through the motions, reject all candidates and tell internal HR/Executive, no good external candidate found best take the internal one. There are other variations of the same theme with regards increasing budget only if trying to recruit external.

3. They found a candidate they preferred. Ego aside, it does happen.

Posted by: Gjeebes 17.Nov.2017, 06:40 AM

"She obviously did not convince the company that this was the only job for her, and the only company for her."

This is an interesting point. And it is a point taken, but wouldn't it be a foolish thing to say, really, that company X with position Y is the only place for worker Z?

I suppose it depends on the company, the work sector, the prospects of career development and many other things. But does anyone really find that one single workplace, where they expect to spent their last day as an employee?

And I understand when hiring, the employer wants to be confident the person will stay, but at the same time, it just doesn't seem realistic. And if I was listening to someone telling me this is the "one" place where they want to remain, forever, I would tend to think it is a load of shite!

Posted by: Cheeseroller 17.Nov.2017, 09:46 AM

Personally, as an employer, if someone was over qualified but willing to do the job, I'd give them serious consideration. What I want are people with the willingness to shine and ability to develop within the company. I'd rather hire someone at a lower level, feed them some additional projects and observe their performance, than hire an unknown at a higher salary with associated risk.

If the situation were reversed, I would not be adverse to getting my feet in the door so that I can show what I am capable of - providing there is scope for advancement later. If a company is expanding, there will be roles to fill.

People tend to leave companies because their feel undervalued, rather than underpaid. Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" has not yet been discredited as far as I know.

Posted by: Bsmith 17.Nov.2017, 11:55 AM

QUOTE (StuntUya @ 14.Nov.2017, 07:32 AM) *
but logic starts to seem a bit unfulfilling once you've seen a person's limb regrown in front of your own eyes.


Better lay off the shrooms, dude.

Posted by: Svedallas 17.Nov.2017, 12:09 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 17.Nov.2017, 09:46 AM) *
Personally, as an employer, if someone was over qualified but willing to do the job, I'd give them serious consideration. What I want are people with the willingness to shine and ability to develop within the company. I'd rather hire someone at a lower level, feed them some additional projects and observe their performance, than hire an unknown at a higher salary with associated risk.

If the situation were reversed, I would not be adverse to getting my feet in the door so that I can show what I am capable of - providing there is scope for advancement later. If a company is expanding, there will be roles to fill.

People tend to leave companies because their feel undervalued, rather than underpaid. Maslow's "hierarchy of needs" has not yet been discredited as far as I know.


In theory this is true, and how it should be.

I too would prefer to hire an overqualified person. They will be no real need to micro manage, and, I would trust that they are "qualified" enough to be able to make sensible decisions.

But the reality of it all, many Swedish companies, oversee the qualified candidates, for stupid reasons such as they may have access to a broad network, or as it continues to rise, nepotism...

Posted by: john.boy 20.Nov.2017, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 17.Nov.2017, 01:09 PM) *
I would trust that they are "qualified" enough to be able to make sensible decisions.

And smile gladly if they challenged your direction, team leadership, and way of working that you had no intention of changing because you were originally looking for someone that fit the role and team, not over-qualified for it rolleyes.gif Then leaves once they find a better role more suited to them, or get bored, or feel they are not used to their full potential because you never intended them to be there in the first place.

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