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Posted by: wallace1837 3.May.2018, 10:38 AM

Swedish academia/universities are highly inbred and they are working hard to keep it that way: https://universitetslararen.se/2018/05/03/riggade-utlysningar-vid-larosatena-strider-mot-grundlagen/

This is only the tip of the iceberg. The corruption is visceral and stretch way further into research time allocation, teaching allocation and committee services.

It is not abnormal in Sweden to have children with your Ph.D. supervisor and later be hired as a postdoc by the father of your child at the university where you graduated! This is world class inbreeding. Congratulation Sweden.

Stay away from Swedish academia!

Posted by: intrepidfox 3.May.2018, 11:50 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 3.May.2018, 09:38 AM) *
Stay away from Swedish academia!


Stay away from TL. You are so hateful, bitter and twisted.

Posted by: wallace1837 3.May.2018, 12:01 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 3.May.2018, 12:50 PM) *
Stay away from TL. You are so hateful, bitter and twisted.

Bring back the unsubscribe button and I am out of here.

P.S. You can click on my name is "block" me in the meantime.

P.P.S. That will not solve any of the severe dysfunction of the Swedish society (housing, education, academic inbreeding, discrimination toward educated foreigners, incompetent public service, uneducated politicians, etc.)

Posted by: TLSucks 3.May.2018, 01:42 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 3.May.2018, 11:01 AM) *
P.P.S. That will not solve any of the severe dysfunction of the Swedish society (housing, education, academic inbreeding, discrimination toward educated foreigners, incompetent public service, uneducated politicians, etc.)


Neither will your whining...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.May.2018, 01:57 PM

Gave up on "deportation rage", did you???

Posted by: Svedallas 3.May.2018, 04:36 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 3.May.2018, 12:50 PM) *
Stay away from TL. You are so hateful, bitter and twisted.



QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 3.May.2018, 02:57 PM) *
Gave up on "deportation rage", did you???


wallace. STAY AWAY!

Posted by: intrepidfox 3.May.2018, 05:27 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 3.May.2018, 11:01 AM) *
Bring back the unsubscribe button and I am out of here.



I´ve already given you the e-mail addresses to TL. They will delete you account. Admit it. Your trolling and you love Sweden

Posted by: Gjeebes 3.May.2018, 06:40 PM

"P.P.S. That will not solve any of the severe dysfunction of the Swedish society (housing, education, academic inbreeding, discrimination toward educated foreigners, incompetent public service, uneducated politicians, etc.)"

And lest we forget the Meatballian love of child-brides, and their flat-pack type instructions for the highly skilled "New Country" imports on how to navigate the Meatballian system.

Looks like not only do the real Meatballs actually have to assimilate to these noobs, but so do their "laws", and "democratic" values.

Ah Meatballia, you read like a comic strip.

Posted by: Tenacious185 3.May.2018, 07:39 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 3.May.2018, 07:40 PM) *
And lest we forget the Meatballian love of child-brides, and their flat-pack type instructions for the highly skilled "New Country" imports on how to navigate the Meatballian system.


But look! Why all the negativity, Gjeebes? They're finally getting it! Instead of leaflets teaching newcomers how to act when married to children, they have switched tactics to let female newcomers know that they have a right to mutual sexual gratification, and a healthy relationship.

I wonder how many newcomer girls caught reading this will be stoned to death?

https://www.thelocal.se/20180503/sweden-funds-sex-films-for-immigrant-women

Read it while it's hot, before it gets yanked like the "how to marry a kid" brochure did.

ohmy.gif

Posted by: wallace1837 3.May.2018, 07:44 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 3.May.2018, 07:40 PM) *
"P.P.S. That will not solve any of the severe dysfunction of the Swedish society (housing, education, academic inbreeding, discrimination toward educated foreigners, incompetent public service, uneducated politicians, etc.)"

And lest we forget the Meatballian love of child-brides, and their flat-pack type instructions for the highly skilled "New Country" imports on how to navigate the Meatballian system.

Looks like not only do the real Meatballs actually have to assimilate to these noobs, but so do their "laws", and "democratic" values.

Ah Meatballia, you read like a comic strip.

Shit, I forgot the child bride. I am sorry to all those kids who are legally bound to pedophile. I am sorry that I ever been associated to a country that let that happen, that recognize that inhumane treatment of child as legitimate. I am sorry that the only thing they did to stop that exploitation of children within their border was to print a pamphlet (that they removed!). Now those pedophiles won't even be able to learn that what they are doing to children is "not ok".

P.S. Continue to talk about the messenger! This really help me getting a sense of self.

Posted by: Tenacious185 3.May.2018, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 3.May.2018, 08:44 PM) *
Shit, I forgot the child bride. I am sorry to all those kids who are legally bound to pedophile.

And now they have had to put out "sex education material" letting ladies know that genital mutilation isn't actually ok, and that they have a right to a healthy sex life.

"The animated films, the first of which were put online at the end of March, cover all aspects of sex from pure enjoyment, with titles such "Lust and Pleasure", and "Female Genitalia", to pregnancy, sexually transmitted diseases, abortion and female genital mutilation.

"We want it to be absolutely not condescending, or demeaning, we want it to be empowering, that in Sweden you have these rights,"

Great that they have these rights here. Sad that it needs to be spelled out. And will the partners of these women even listen? sad.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.May.2018, 08:16 PM

Stoning!!!

They must not deprive the newcomers of their cultural heritage and religious freedoms...

Otherwise the Political Correctness Police will brand them with a bad name, and surely they do not want that!!!

Posted by: Gjeebes 4.May.2018, 04:40 AM

"Why all the negativity, Gjeebes?"

What? No, no, I was praising them, not being "negative". The Meatballs are truly ahead of the game, and I just wanted to show my adoration for the world's most (retardedly) "extreme-just-for-the-sake-of-it" nation.

And also I must praise the arrogance of "spelling-it-out" with regards to sexual behaviour. This just screams "equality"...and yet all this time I'd taken the Meatballians as looking down their noses at all things non-Meatballian.

Boy was I wrong!

That such materials have been created and distributed for consumption by the "New Country" peeps, just again validates the success of the Meatballian open-borders fiasco, I mean "virtue-signalling" triumph.

Gotta hand it to the Meatballs. When they go in, the go balls deep!

Oh, and I should add, I start to understand why the Meatballs are upset with the entire world using their "brilliance" as a cautionary tale of how NOT to do "immigration". I mean, they just continue to prove themselves, and their "superiority" over and over again, with note-worthy demonstrable success after success.

Open borders immigration Meatballian style...why, it's like the honeymoon that just simply never ends.

Posted by: Tenacious185 4.May.2018, 10:03 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 4.May.2018, 05:40 AM) *
Gotta hand it to the Meatballs. When they go in, they go balls deep!


Go (meat)balls deep, or go home! tongue.gif

Posted by: Gjeebes 4.May.2018, 06:19 PM

To all the shits on TL forum, read and weep: https://www.thelocal.se/20180504/swedish-universities-rigging-job-applications-union

(reminder of topic of thread: "open-secret academic inbreeding in Meatballia")

For those of you with your heads too far up your asses (that's right Gamla, I'm talking to you, amongst others):

1) "A full third of the adverts had just one applicant, three quarters had less than five, and three quarters of jobs went to an internal applicant.

"It's shocking," union director Git Claesson Pipping told The Local. "It's nepotism, and also, instead of employing people for longer times, they just employ people for six months at a time and keep giving new positions to the same people.""

2) "The job offers analyzed were put out by three faculties: Lund University's Faculty of Engineering, Stockholm University's Faculty of Social Sciences, and Uppsala University's Faculty of Medicine"

That's right, resident morons, even TL agrees.

So now will you complain your BS to TL for "daring" to speak the truth (that you simply are too arrogant to handle)?

Hmmm?

W-1837: keep going. Pretty soon things will become so obvious even the biggest idiots spouting their uninformed trash on this forum will have no choice but to capitulate, or involuntarily spontaneously self-immolate in the flames of their own utter stupidity.

Kaboom (followed by mushroom cloud).

Posted by: wallace1837 4.May.2018, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 4.May.2018, 07:19 PM) *
W-1837: keep going. Pretty soon things will become so obvious even the biggest idiotic spouts their uninformed trash on this forum will have no choice but to capitulate, or self-combust in the flames of their own utter stupidity.

G- I appreciate your optimism, but that information only reaches people who's head are not in the sand or "https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=where%20the%20sun%20don%27t%20shine". And for the few other, some intrinsic denial mechanism will kick in and the info won't register. I wish I shared your optimism and positivism wink.gif

Posted by: Gjeebes 4.May.2018, 06:42 PM

Well, I do realise the SULF representative is merely paying lip-service in the name of damage-control to simply keep up public appearances so they appear to be fit for purpose (which they so clearly aren't).

This problem is not new, whatsoever, yet somehow SULF seems "surprised" at this more than common practice of institutionalised fraudulence.

And of course, nothing will change. It seems the Meatballs are quite content to embrace being the smug pricks they so clearly are.

Not quite optimism either, since the only thing the this story really exposes (in terms of new "news"), is that SULF has been exposed for the useless tit of an "organisation" that it is, after painting itself into a corner (the oft overlooked Meatballian default outcome).

Posted by: wallace1837 4.May.2018, 06:51 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 4.May.2018, 07:42 PM) *
Well, I do realise the SULF representative is merely playing lip-service in the name of damage-control. This problem is not new, whatsoever, yet somehow SULF seems "surprised" at this institutionalised fraudulence.

And of course, nothing will change. It seems the Meatballs are quite content to embrace being the smug pricks they so clearly are.

Not quite optimism either, since the only thing the this story really exposes (in terms of new "news"), is that SULF has been exposed for the useless tit of an "organisation" that it is, after painting itself into a corner (the oft overlooked Meatballian default outcome).

The union are pretty useless. They had the monopoly of salary negotiation, until very recently, and they report that they had a strong bias against foreign graduates:
https://www.saco.se/globalassets/2017-lonegap-mellan-akademiker-med-svensk-och-utlandsk-bakgrund.pdf
https://www.thelocal.se/20170713/foreign-graduates-earn-less-than-swedes-study

Have they done something about it? No. Will they do something about it: No.

Now they are responsible for the oversight for hiring people. Now they have to report that they are complete incompetent at their own job and cannot fulfill their mission.

Have they done something about it? No. Will they do something about it: No.

Faculty are fornicating with their student and have baby with their PhD students. After the faculty hire the mother of its child on taxpayer money at the university where she graduate. Does the union see anything troubling about that? No. Will they do something about it? No. The quintessence of inbreeding: Swedish academia.

Posted by: Gjeebes 4.May.2018, 06:54 PM

"Have they done something about it? No. Will they do something about it: No."

Of course they won't.

This type of open-secret fraud is aligned to, and a direct result of, "the Swedish model". It is part and parcel of the Meatballian society at large, depraved as it is.

"Faculty are fornicating with their student and have baby with their PhD students. After the faculty hire the mother of its child on taxpayer money at the university where she graduate. Does the union see anything troubling about that? No. Will they do something about it? No. The quintessence of inbreeding: Swedish academia."

Like I said before, when the Meatballs go in, they go "balls" deep.

PS: And you forgot to mention marital status of the "father" during time of getting said student gifted with miracle baby.

Posted by: wallace1837 4.May.2018, 07:04 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 4.May.2018, 07:54 PM) *
"Have they done something about it? No. Will they do something about it: No."

Of course they won't.

This type of open-secret fraud is aligned to, and a direct result of, "the Swedish model". It is part and parcel of the Meatballian society at large, depraved as it is.

"Faculty are fornicating with their student and have baby with their PhD students. After the faculty hire the mother of its child on taxpayer money at the university where she graduate. Does the union see anything troubling about that? No. Will they do something about it? No. The quintessence of inbreeding: Swedish academia."

Like I said before, when the Meatballs go in, they go "balls" deep.

PS: And you forgot to mention marital status of the "father" during time of getting said student gifted with miracle baby.

I guess we should stop there, otherwise someone will tell us to leave because we don't fit, and Sweden is not for everybody.

Posted by: Gjeebes 4.May.2018, 07:16 PM

Let them make their excuses. They are just following the Meatballian social code (sad but true).

They simply have no chance to understand their own situation.

Posted by: wallace1837 4.May.2018, 07:31 PM

Lets put oil on the fire:
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/swedish-academia-is-no-meritocracy

https://www.sns.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/utbildning_forskning_samverkan_english.pdf

Posted by: Gjeebes 5.May.2018, 05:55 AM

https://www.sns.se/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/utbildning_forskning_samverkan_english.pdf

The problems will not be solved, since it is impossible for Sweden to kick it's "lagom" habit. While "lagom" is the source of Meatballian self-adoration, the pillar of society, it is also the very cause of its utter dysfunction, in relation to the world at large.

Sweden is by design, incompatible with things like 1) achievement 2) strength 3) freedom of thought 4) self-improvement 5) self-regulation 6) discipline 7) organisation and 8) consequence.

And just like the corporation "Green Peace" can't afford to ever have its mandate fulfilled (since the end result would mean it is no longer required), neither can Sweden afford to ever achieve, for example, "actual equality", as it would thereby remove one of its main, oft exploited, PR "devices".

After-all, what would be left for Sweden to depend on in order to gratify its obsession of its own self-adoration, if it actually solved its "equality" issues.

Sounds much better to verbally exploit (via its heavily funded and continuous branding advertisements) the notion of pretending to fight "inequalities" rather than actually become an equal and fair society.

The only thing keeping Sweden together is its "old" money. Much of it obtained through profits gained from selling weapons to all main actors in WWII. Once that runs out, the true Meatballia will be uncovered, since they will no longer be able to pay the advertisers to pump out its production line of fairy-tale lies.

Posted by: Apache001 5.May.2018, 02:32 PM

It’s not uncommon to find an entire Swedish family working in one organization, they really can’t function properly as adults outside that protected family shell. I have mentioned this before in one of my past posts that the nepotism in Sweden is at an all time high now.

All the companies I’ve worked for here always have atleast two relatives in them. That’s why I call it a “mig också” culture...you don’t expect relatives not to be on the same sync even if the leader is making a huge business mistake.

I had an altercation with one of the staff in my company some time ago and later realized her husband was the team lead in another unit...hahahahaha Sverige jättebra.

Thank goodness I don’t have my business here, I just hate mediocrity.

Posted by: gowriel 5.May.2018, 08:20 PM

@wallace1837 "inbreeding"?! is this possible in a swedish university?! I can't believe it! unless you bring consistent proof!

Posted by: gowriel 5.May.2018, 08:29 PM

@Gjeebes if you consider Sweden is bad as a country and society then you MUST come visit Romania,stay here for about 3 months and if possible go work in this time for romanian salary! I bet my life you will leave this country very fast in disgust,never to set foot around here or anywhere near Romania! as is Sweden offers a lot to foreigners! of course Sweden society is not "perfect"but one can live decently in swedish society/country! I am not hypocrite,I must admit I never been to Sweden at all but all my known romanian friends that do work and live in Sweden are very happy and satisfied while there! Only moment they are "down" and sad is when they come visit their families old members that still live here in Romania! with all its minuses or "negative parts",I consider swedish society and country very good for a man/woman in search for a decent life! among "inbred" individuals or not! goes to show how much they care for eachother! many young romanian girls here in Romania ended up beeing sold as sex slaves in Italy or other european country BY THEIR OWN UNCLES... if you can believe this... Ha det so bra!

Posted by: Gjeebes 6.May.2018, 05:26 AM

"many young romanian girls here in Romania ended up beeing sold as sex slaves in Italy or other european country BY THEIR OWN UNCLES..."

Sure. And in Sweden, the sex slaves come from Estonia. If you want to see how life is for some in the "goodest" country, go find and watch Lilya 4 Ever.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zbkBesAWFXM

How long does a convicted gang-rapist serve time in Romania? In Sweden it is known for these to "serve" 3 months in a walk-in, walk-out open "prison". There are stories of such criminals just walking out the front door and disappearing.

Economically speaking, Sweden trumps Romania, but so does pretty much anywhere else. So I can believe a desperate person would enjoy Meatballia. The 3rd-world "New Country" people also seem to enjoy being paid to do nothing, and the Swedes love to pay increasingly higher taxes on their behalf, for their extended families to come over as well, and live in relative luxury.

Posted by: gowriel 6.May.2018, 04:36 PM

Well then,the old saying "there isn't any forest without its bad trees" applies here too! In Romania things are worse,laws don't apply for everyone the same,criminals and their MAFIA friends have got to even in high places like prime minister or just about every high placed job in the government! For a year now the present rulling party PSD and its CRIMINAL CONVICTED PRESIDENT Liviu Dragnea was/were more concerned in changing laws to favour them and their MAFIA criminal friends! they wiped the toillet floors with romanian JUSTICE in the last year and signs are they aren't gonna stop anytime soon! never been to Sweden ,never had to deal with Justice in Sweden but I refuse to believe authorities just close their eyes to criminality! and if they do so,it's they whole country's future at stake! I'm quite sure they know that too! gang rapists in Romania usually get raped too and sometimes killed in jail! child rapists don't make it out of jail ALIVE! that's a rule,for a long time now! The last place you would EVER want to get to is in romanian jails... take it as certain from a romanian guy! as for walking out of jails through the front door,that's a wet dream of any convict in romanian jail!this country and people are so evil you wouldn't believe it even if experienced on yourself and with your own eyes! comunism behaviour is still alive and very well in Romanian society! I would trade places with Sweden even NOW if I could! as of now,I still have some obligations here in Romania but will do everything in my power to live and work in Sweden! and if I ever have to deal with criminality in Sweden,don't worry,we romanians are the last people any criminal would want to have to deal with! coming from a country ruled by criminals and POLITICAL MAFIA,some small time crooks are peanuts for us! if swedish authorities are unable to apply laws we romanians usually take things into our own hands and the outcome is nasty for those who provoke us! proven thing all over Europe,see Spain for "typical romanian behaviour"... Of course,those willing to better themselves "forget" about such behaviour and mind their own bussines and peacefull life!
but the title of this topic is offending to say the least! not that I would be in any way "offended" but "inbreeding at swedish university"?! sounds like an open provocation! nepotism is a often encountered practice all over the world! the fact that it's present in Sweden just goes to show individuals care for each other and help themselves in any way they can; be it legal or "not so legal"... I hope I wasn't offtopic,but things had to be said! I see no "inbreeding" in swedish universitied ,just typical human behaviour! solidarity and empathy comes to mind if you ask me! correct me if I am wrong...

Posted by: gowriel 6.May.2018, 04:49 PM

@Gjeebes as for the Lylia movie it doesn't "touch me" in any way! that's what is happening even to this day here in Romania! I know pimps who buy and sell under-age girls and they end up as prostitutes in western countries! they make from sex hundreds of thousands of euros for these pimps! many have been caught ,jailed and after some time released and start doing the same thing but in more covert ways! for me,this movie is just reality from around me here in Romania! That's why I want to run from here to civilized countries where laws are respected by everyone! I will stop here because this is not the subject of this topic!

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 12.May.2018, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 3.May.2018, 07:40 PM) *
"P.P.S. That will not solve any of the severe dysfunction of the Swedish society (housing, education, academic inbreeding, discrimination toward educated foreigners, incompetent public service, uneducated politicians, etc.)"

And lest we forget the Meatballian love of child-brides, and their flat-pack type instructions for the highly skilled "New Country" imports on how to navigate the Meatballian system.

Looks like not only do the real Meatballs actually have to assimilate to these noobs, but so do their "laws", and "democratic" values.

Ah Meatballia, you read like a comic strip.


So, despite you hating this place, making a gigantic issue of you departing never to return, you still engage in badmouthing this place.

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 4.May.2018, 07:51 PM) *
The union are pretty useless. They had the monopoly of salary negotiation, until very recently, and they report that they had a strong bias against foreign graduates:
https://www.saco.se/globalassets/2017-lonegap-mellan-akademiker-med-svensk-och-utlandsk-bakgrund.pdf
https://www.thelocal.se/20170713/foreign-graduates-earn-less-than-swedes-study

Have they done something about it? No. Will they do something about it: No.

Now they are responsible for the oversight for hiring people. Now they have to report that they are complete incompetent at their own job and cannot fulfill their mission.

Have they done something about it? No. Will they do something about it: No.

Faculty are fornicating with their student and have baby with their PhD students. After the faculty hire the mother of its child on taxpayer money at the university where she graduate. Does the union see anything troubling about that? No. Will they do something about it? No. The quintessence of inbreeding: Swedish academia.


Same question to you. You do nothing except post about how horrible Sweden is, how everything in Sweden is dysfunctional, how swedes are lazy, incompetent, and entitled.

What do you want us to do? Get you a sherpa to carry you to Arlanda and help you board an airplane out of here?

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 5.May.2018, 03:32 PM) *
It’s not uncommon to find an entire Swedish family working in one organization, they really can’t function properly as adults outside that protected family shell. I have mentioned this before in one of my past posts that the nepotism in Sweden is at an all time high now.

All the companies I’ve worked for here always have atleast two relatives in them. That’s why I call it a “mig också” culture...you don’t expect relatives not to be on the same sync even if the leader is making a huge business mistake.

I had an altercation with one of the staff in my company some time ago and later realized her husband was the team lead in another unit...hahahahaha Sverige jättebra.

Thank goodness I don’t have my business here, I just hate mediocrity.


Sounds exactly like what happens when Indians, Pakistanis and Bangladeshis reach hiring positions. Suddenly your previously all-european or all-american corporation is filled with people from the indian subcontinent, all oddly enough distantly related. There was an article in expressen about how some burger king resturants only hired bangladeshis, with the right political convictions.

Posted by: oddsock 14.May.2018, 09:46 AM

Why this comes as a surprise to anybody associated with Swedish academia is beyond me. Insider hiring is par for the course. I worked at a Swedish university for five years, learned fluent Swedish, taught in Swedish (got great teaching reviews), got research funding etc, but eventually had to leave the country to find employment elsewhere because the various Swedish departments were too busy writing tailor made job descriptions for their mates.

SULF can bugger off with their feigned shock, they knew this was happening all along. They are a part of the problem.

Denmark is even worse, by the way.

Posted by: wallace1837 14.May.2018, 10:56 AM

QUOTE (oddsock @ 14.May.2018, 10:46 AM) *
Why this comes as a surprise to anybody associated with Swedish academia is beyond me.


Unfortunately a lot of people are discovering this after they land their position in Sweden. So you are right, it should come at no surprise for the people in the dysfunctional Swedish Universities. But at the same time, it is a big surprise to the newcomers who are lied to about the "fairness", "equality", "opportunities" that Sweden have for them.

Posted by: Svedallas 14.May.2018, 11:29 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 14.May.2018, 11:56 AM) *
Unfortunately a lot of people are discovering this after they land their position in Sweden. So you are right, it should come at no surprise for the people in the dysfunctional Swedish Universities. But at the same time, it is a big surprise to the newcomers who are lied to about the "fairness", "equality", "opportunities" that Sweden have for them.


NO ONE has held a gun to your head to stay in Sweden.

Feel free to leave and stop your stupid hate.

Posted by: wallace1837 14.May.2018, 12:48 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 14.May.2018, 12:29 PM) *
NO ONE has held a gun to your head to stay in Sweden.

What are you talking about? I hold free speech in high regard, but I don't see your point.

I am presenting facts about Sweden, and support those facts with links to journalistic investigations and independent reports.

Posted by: intrepidfox 14.May.2018, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 14.May.2018, 11:48 AM) *
What are you talking about? I hold free speech in high regard, but I don't see your point.

I am presenting facts about Sweden, and support those facts with links to journalistic investigations and independent reports.


Most of your facts come from TL. They are not journalistic. Reports are not reliable either. They are often manipulated for their own benefit

Posted by: Gjeebes 14.May.2018, 04:25 PM

"NO ONE has held a gun to your head to stay in Sweden."

And no one held a gun to your head to keep reading and blithering here.

Piss off.

Posted by: wallace1837 15.May.2018, 09:46 AM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 14.May.2018, 04:18 PM) *
Most of your facts come from TL. They are not journalistic. Reports are not reliable either. They are often manipulated for their own benefit

Like a union reporting on their own incompetence https://universitetslararen.se/2018/05/03/riggade-utlysningar-vid-larosatena-strider-mot-grundlagen/ ... They must have sugar coated it.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 15.May.2018, 10:05 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 15.May.2018, 10:46 AM) *
Like a union reporting on their own incompetence https://universitetslararen.se/2018/05/03/riggade-utlysningar-vid-larosatena-strider-mot-grundlagen/ ... They must have sugar coated it.


So, maybe time to start investigating why there is such a high probability of finding one indian/pakistani/bangladeshi at a company when there is already one present.

Posted by: wallace1837 15.May.2018, 10:29 AM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 15.May.2018, 11:05 AM) *
So, maybe time to start investigating why there is such a high probability of finding one indian/pakistani/bangladeshi at a company when there is already one present.

It is indeed deeply needed. I am still looking forward your first substantiated claim.

By the way, academic inbreeding is not based on race or nationality, but by place of graduation. Example of https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/swedish-academia-is-no-meritocracy.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 15.May.2018, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 15.May.2018, 11:29 AM) *
It is indeed deeply needed. I am still looking forward your first substantiated claim.

By the way, academic inbreeding is not based on race or nationality, but by place of graduation. Example of https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinion/swedish-academia-is-no-meritocracy.


https://qz.com/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouraging-indians-to-hire-others-indians-and-its-killing-diversity/

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/CLwX5XA

https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/3j13dq/businesses_owned_by_indian_families_only_hiring/

Posted by: wallace1837 15.May.2018, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 15.May.2018, 11:38 AM) *
https://qz.com/889524/the-us-says-oracle-is-encouraging-indians-to-hire-others-indians-and-its-killing-diversity/

https://www.thelayoff.com/t/CLwX5XA

https://www.reddit.com/r/melbourne/comments/3j13dq/businesses_owned_by_indian_families_only_hiring/

US and Australia. This forum is about a more insignificant country up north called Sweden. Any substantiated information about Sweden?

Posted by: wallace1837 24.May.2018, 10:14 AM

Wow, now the union journal is reporting about the great developments that study on inbreeding have for Swedish university.
https://universitetslararen.se/2018/05/24/riggade-rekryteringar-foljs-upp-pa-politisk-niva/

The situation is so critical that even politician (most of them never finished their university degrees, e.g. the prime minister) are talking about it!

In the urgency of the situation the inbred faculties even agree to have a dialogue about it. Imagine all the change that we can foresee out of a meeting of inbred talking about the issue of inbreeding. Their bias will probably fly out of the window there.

Posted by: Gjeebes 24.May.2018, 01:48 PM

If the Meatballs are "discussing", it only means they will look for a way to continue on the current trajectory, and focus only on how to avoid detection.

Posted by: wallace1837 24.May.2018, 08:57 PM

More coverage of https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/swedish-universities-nepotistic-union-report-finds.

Posted by: intrepidfox 24.May.2018, 09:00 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 24.May.2018, 07:57 PM) *
More coverage of https://www.timeshighereducation.com/news/swedish-universities-nepotistic-union-report-finds.


Havn´t you found your delete button yet??????

Posted by: wallace1837 25.May.2018, 09:36 AM

More coverage of the cause of https://universitetslararen.se/2016/11/21/foreign-academics-not-welcome-in-sweden/.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.May.2018, 11:35 PM

Isn't it odd that so many want to become part of a dysfunctional system in a country other than their own country???

And why is it wrong to prefer Swedes to educate other Swedes rather than a foreigner???

That applies to other countries where foreigners have encountered the same problem there also...

And if you think that you did so well in Sweden why didn't you try to do the same in your home country, wouldn't the path to academic success be easier there???

And then there is this to consider, we all know that to be successful in another place that is not our own, you have to be a LOT better than the "home boys"!!!

Posted by: wallace1837 28.May.2018, 07:46 AM

More coverage of http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20180525105607509.

A lot more coverage of http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20180510105856296.

Even more coverage of https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10734-018-0266-x.

Posted by: Svedallas 29.May.2018, 07:59 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 28.May.2018, 08:46 AM) *
More coverage of http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20180525105607509.

A lot more coverage of http://www.universityworldnews.com/article.php?story=20180510105856296.

Even more coverage of https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s10734-018-0266-x.


Regulars. Is it me or Wallace is getting worse? His obsession is beyond annoying.
He has a psychological issue.

I think his account should be reported.

Posted by: wallace1837 29.May.2018, 08:36 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.May.2018, 08:59 AM) *
Regulars. Is it me or Wallace is getting worse? His obsession is beyond annoying.
He has a psychological issue.

I think his account should be reported.

It must be hard to keep up with the denial with all those facts flying around...

Posted by: Svedallas 29.May.2018, 09:07 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 29.May.2018, 09:36 AM) *
It must be hard to keep up with the denial with all those facts flying around...


Who is checking "facts". It is not my concern.

You are obsessed.

Posted by: Martian 29.May.2018, 11:29 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.May.2018, 08:59 AM) *
I think his account should be reported.


I think your account should also be reported for hating on someone expressing his opinions and backing them up with facts. No, Wallace doesn't have any psychological problem. You are the one who is delusional.

Posted by: wallace1837 29.May.2018, 02:51 PM

The report from the union about https://s3-eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/sulf.se/app/uploads/2018/05/sulf-utlysningar-ett-spel-for-gallerierna-rapport.pdf (in Swedish).

It is surprising that the union is involve in each of the hiring decision, but failed to see the problem during all those years.

Posted by: Gjeebes 29.May.2018, 04:48 PM

"I think your account should also be reported for hating on someone expressing his opinions and backing them up with facts. No, Wallace doesn't have any psychological problem. You are the one who is delusional."

Exactly. Great post. Finally someone said it.

But as one old fart poster on here (who has thankfully been MIA for not long enough) used to say, Sveddy "is more to be pitied, than blamed".

And I concur.

As far as the 1-dimensional Swedes go, Sveddy, clearly a true patriot, has eaten not only hook and sinker, but the entire "line", as revealed by hen's potent, yet "singular", Meatballishness.

Many like hen. No world experience, just pompous, feckless Meatballia, as hen's guiding light.

Makes me shudder, then laugh my ass off!

Posted by: Am89 9.Jun.2018, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 3.May.2018, 11:38 AM) *
Swedish academia/universities are highly inbred and they are working hard to keep it that way: https://universitetslararen.se/2018/05/03/riggade-utlysningar-vid-larosatena-strider-mot-grundlagen/

This is only the tip of the iceberg. The corruption is visceral and stretch way further into research time allocation, teaching allocation and committee services.

It is not abnormal in Sweden to have children with your Ph.D. supervisor and later be hired as a postdoc by the father of your child at the university where you graduated! This is world class inbreeding. Congratulation Sweden.

Stay away from Swedish academia!


I absolutely agree with you. I regret doing my master in Sweden. I did it in the university which is considered one of the prestigious universities of Sweden. But guess what never in my life I have encountered so many incompetent "professors" unaware of the subject they are teaching, lacking proper pedagogical skills among other important issues. Moreover, they are so biased towards the students of foreign origin who hold swedish person number. There is no coding, no secrecy in exams. Professors see your name and person number in your exam paper and it decides your grades. I was shocked by the bad quality of higher education in Sweden which is considered a developed country.

Posted by: Am89 9.Jun.2018, 05:47 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 14.May.2018, 12:29 PM) *
NO ONE has held a gun to your head to stay in Sweden.

Feel free to leave and stop your stupid hate.


I think you must leave this forum if you don't like to hear the truth about swedish academia. Or maybe it comes handy for you to turn your blind eye to the real issues.

Posted by: Am89 9.Jun.2018, 05:52 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 3.May.2018, 01:01 PM) *
Bring back the unsubscribe button and I am out of here.

P.S. You can click on my name is "block" me in the meantime.

P.P.S. That will not solve any of the severe dysfunction of the Swedish society (housing, education, academic inbreeding, discrimination toward educated foreigners, incompetent public service, uneducated politicians, etc.)


You are so right about everything you have named above. This country is for unskilled incompetent people who are against change and development. Police system sucks, academia sucks, most of the doctors suck... sweden sucks

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 9.Jun.2018, 06:07 PM

It looks like this Forum has been taken over by those that want to discourage anybody from coming to Sweden, I am sure there are many Swedes that are happy you are doing such a good job...

Posted by: wallace1837 9.Jun.2018, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 9.Jun.2018, 06:43 PM) *
I absolutely agree with you. I regret doing my master in Sweden. I did it in the university which is considered one of the prestigious universities of Sweden. But guess what never in my life I have encountered so many incompetent "professors" unaware of the subject they are teaching, lacking proper pedagogical skills among other important issues. Moreover, they are so biased towards the students of foreign origin who hold swedish person number. There is no coding, no secrecy in exams. Professors see your name and person number in your exam paper and it decides your grades. I was shocked by the bad quality of higher education in Sweden which is considered a developed country.

If you paid, you could ask a refund: https://www.independent.co.uk/student/news/malardalen-university-college-sweden-tuition-fees-refund-worthless-degree-analytical-finance-a7085646.html

Posted by: wallace1837 11.Jun.2018, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 9.Jun.2018, 07:07 PM) *
It looks like this Forum has been taken over by those that want to discourage anybody from coming to Sweden, I am sure there are many Swedes that are happy you are doing such a good job...

It is not to discourage, but to inform.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 11.Jun.2018, 12:46 PM

"It is not to discourage, but to inform."

Thereby discouraging them... rolleyes.gif

Posted by: parfume1 11.Jun.2018, 04:08 PM

I studied at Uni here and wasn't impressed. The teachers don't seem to have any teaching experience and most of them work like 50 percent and have another job.

There is no professionalism, if they don't like you for some reason they will fail you. The teachers are usually passive aggressive against students who ask questions or question the usual faulty information given. Most students take a gap year because of depression or anxiety. Out of a 100 students only around 50 finish their studies. I wish I had known all this before I came to study in Sweden!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 11.Jun.2018, 08:14 PM

How much did the school cost you???

Posted by: Svedallas 12.Jun.2018, 09:17 AM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 11.Jun.2018, 05:08 PM) *
I studied at Uni here and wasn't impressed. The teachers don't seem to have any teaching experience and most of them work like 50 percent and have another job.

There is no professionalism, if they don't like you for some reason they will fail you. The teachers are usually passive aggressive against students who ask questions or question the usual faulty information given. Most students take a gap year because of depression or anxiety. Out of a 100 students only around 50 finish their studies. I wish I had known all this before I came to study in Sweden!


No one comes to Sweden for the education. Unless it is in the top 3 schools, and specialized education.

The fault, sad to say is yours.

Why would someone specifically pick a country which does not have high university ranking? Education is free for citizens - but it is just basic...no special grading system. The fault is on you.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 12.Jun.2018, 10:53 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 12.Jun.2018, 10:17 AM) *
No one comes to Sweden for the education. Unless it is in the top 3 schools, and specialized education.

The fault, sad to say is yours.

Why would someone specifically pick a country which does not have high university ranking? Education is free for citizens - but it is just basic...no special grading system. The fault is on you.


My guess is rather that the people complaining about swedish higher education expected to be coddled and hand-held through it all.
Newsflash, you are a graduate student you are expect to figure stuff out on your own.

Posted by: parfume1 12.Jun.2018, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 12.Jun.2018, 10:17 AM) *
No one comes to Sweden for the education. Unless it is in the top 3 schools, and specialized education.

The fault, sad to say is yours.

Why would someone specifically pick a country which does not have high university ranking? Education is free for citizens - but it is just basic...no special grading system. The fault is on you.


Well because as a native Swedish speaker in Finland you have more opportunities in Sweden. And what I studied in Sweden there is nothing similar for a Swedish speaker over there and that's why many of us come to Sweden not realizing how far behind the education system over here is

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Jun.2018, 04:38 PM

How much did the school cost you???

Posted by: parfume1 12.Jun.2018, 06:41 PM

I'm sure you know the answer to that. It cost nothing.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Jun.2018, 08:00 PM

Yes, I do, but what do you expect???

Posted by: wallace1837 12.Jun.2018, 08:34 PM

Here you go: the difference between free and worthless.

Posted by: Am89 12.Jun.2018, 09:32 PM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 11.Jun.2018, 05:08 PM) *
I studied at Uni here and wasn't impressed. The teachers don't seem to have any teaching experience and most of them work like 50 percent and have another job.

There is no professionalism, if they don't like you for some reason they will fail you. The teachers are usually passive aggressive against students who ask questions or question the usual faulty information given. Most students take a gap year because of depression or anxiety. Out of a 100 students only around 50 finish their studies. I wish I had known all this before I came to study in Sweden!


I had exactly the same experience. 100% agree with everything you said. Especially they are very biased towards those foreign born students who have swedish person number. Because they don't favor permanent foreigners in this country. P.S. so many times so called professors were unable to answer student's question in the auditorium. In one word, academia is very bad quality in this country.

Posted by: Am89 12.Jun.2018, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 12.Jun.2018, 10:17 AM) *
No one comes to Sweden for the education. Unless it is in the top 3 schools, and specialized education.

The fault, sad to say is yours.

Why would someone specifically pick a country which does not have high university ranking? Education is free for citizens - but it is just basic...no special grading system. The fault is on you.


I did my master at Lund University and trust me quality of education is very bad. I still don't understand how they have scored in ranking, for fancy classrooms or good student life maybe. But definitely not for quality of education.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Jun.2018, 09:45 PM

And what did it cost you???

Posted by: Am89 13.Jun.2018, 06:52 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 12.Jun.2018, 10:45 PM) *
And what did it cost you???


It costed me student loan which i am still paying back, it costed me my time, my nerves and energy. Studying in sweden is total waste of ones resources.

Posted by: robbie1985 13.Jun.2018, 09:04 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 12.Jun.2018, 10:32 PM) *
In one word, academia is very bad quality in this country.


And which country's education system taught you to count? laugh.gif

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 13.Jun.2018, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 13.Jun.2018, 07:52 AM) *
It costed me student loan which i am still paying back, it costed me my time, my nerves and energy. Studying in sweden is total waste of ones resources.


If this is a demonstration of the level at which you master english the reason for your failures is quite clear and obvious.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 13.Jun.2018, 11:46 AM

laugh.gif

Posted by: Am89 13.Jun.2018, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 13.Jun.2018, 11:20 AM) *
If this is a demonstration of the level at which you master english the reason for your failures is quite clear and obvious.


You racist stupid swede, english has nothing to do with ny master. I didn't do my master in English literature or translation.Moreover, i have not failed. So shut tge fuck up and suck the truth that your academia sucks big time! Denying the fact and acting smart won't take you guys far. Foreigners already start noticing the reality.

Posted by: Am89 13.Jun.2018, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 13.Jun.2018, 12:46 PM) *
laugh.gif

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 13.Jun.2018, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 13.Jun.2018, 09:09 PM) *
You racist stupid swede, english has nothing to do with ny master. I didn't do my master in English literature or translation.Moreover, i have not failed. So shut tge fuck up and suck the truth that your academia sucks big time! Denying the fact and acting smart won't take you guys far. Foreigners already start noticing the reality.


Whatever you say.

Posted by: parfume1 13.Jun.2018, 08:44 PM

QUOTE (Am89 @ 13.Jun.2018, 09:09 PM) *
You racist stupid swede, english has nothing to do with ny master. I didn't do my master in English literature or translation.Moreover, i have not failed. So shut tge fuck up and suck the truth that your academia sucks big time! Denying the fact and acting smart won't take you guys far. Foreigners already start noticing the reality.



Ignore him. He's just a passive aggresive Swede getting mad because people here dare express themselves about how we really feel about Sweden instead of acting like socially retarded robots who don't even dare look people in the eyes!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 13.Jun.2018, 10:37 PM

So many complainers, who won't change a thing that Swedes do, at least you can vent here...

So sad...

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 13.Jun.2018, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 13.Jun.2018, 09:44 PM) *
Ignore him. He's just a passive aggresive Swede getting mad because people here dare express themselves about how we really feel about Sweden instead of acting like socially retarded robots who don't even dare look people in the eyes!


You are free to leave at any time, in fact some of us would like if we had less of the 'invaluable world class' talent.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 13.Jun.2018, 10:49 PM

How can you be critical of something given to you at no cost???

Having trouble getting used to that thought...

And then criticising those that gave it to you...

Posted by: Gjeebes 14.Jun.2018, 04:43 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 13.Jun.2018, 10:49 PM) *
I am daft, even though I gots my Grade 5 degree thingy.

Indeed.

So Gamla-shitbag contends that Swedish education is permitted to be utter shite, because its free!

He is just too stupid to understand it isn't free at all, that it is paid through taxes, and the running costs are amongst the highest in the world.

It is no wonder, with "low IQ individuals" like Gamla-shit stain, how a "man" such as Trump can become the chosen one.

Retarded is as retarded does, I suppose, eh Gamla?

Posted by: parfume1 15.Jun.2018, 02:23 AM

Another example of the brilliant Swedish school system is that the majority don’t know there is a minority Swedish speaking population in Finland. When I tell them I’m from Finland the usual question is how did you learn to speak so good Swedish! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 15.Jun.2018, 10:51 AM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 15.Jun.2018, 03:23 AM) *
Another example of the brilliant Swedish school system is that the majority don’t know there is a minority Swedish speaking population in Finland. When I tell them I’m from Finland the usual question is how did you learn to speak so good Swedish! rolleyes.gif


So, you did a statistical survey of this? At what confidence level did you do your binary hypothesis testing?

Posted by: robbie1985 16.Jun.2018, 09:12 AM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 15.Jun.2018, 11:51 AM) *
So, you did a statistical survey of this? At what confidence level did you do your binary hypothesis testing?

People on this forum with complaints about Sweden conflate anecdotal evidence with universal truth.

In their minds a random sample of the few Swedes they have met are representative of the whole nation. Under any reasonable scientific method you would at least have to account for the constant in these scenarios; the complainant. What if you're just a shit person and you bring out the worst in others?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 16.Jun.2018, 12:14 PM

+10 biggrin.gif

Posted by: parfume1 16.Jun.2018, 02:44 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 15.Jun.2018, 11:51 AM) *
So, you did a statistical survey of this? At what confidence level did you do your binary hypothesis testing?


You know how I know about this by doing something that is very foreign to swedes actually talking talking to people.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 16.Jun.2018, 04:17 PM

Telepathy...Anyone???

Posted by: Gjeebes 16.Jun.2018, 05:18 PM

1)

QUOTE (robbie1985 @ 16.Jun.2018, 09:12 AM) *
What if you're just a shit person and you bring out the worst in others?

2)
QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 16.Jun.2018, 12:14 PM) *
+10 biggrin.gif

Gamla ranks himself correctly at a full 10/10 for being a shit person and you bring out the worst in others.

A rare display of honesty.

Posted by: Gjeebes 16.Jun.2018, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (robbie1985 @ 16.Jun.2018, 09:12 AM) *
People on this forum with complaints about Sweden conflate anecdotal evidence with universal truth.

In their minds a random sample of the few Swedes they have met are representative of the whole nation. Under any reasonable scientific method you would at least have to account for the constant in these scenarios; the complainant. What if you're just a shit person and you bring out the worst in others?

Wouldn't the same be true for those who've had a "great" experience? You know, like, you know 3 Swedes and all is merry in your world?

Who's "universal truth"? Yours?

Your logic seems to be, "all is great in my world, therefore, the world is great".

Ab FAB! You are a genius!

You drank the coolaid, and are now in the final stages...

Posted by: john.boy 17.Jun.2018, 10:21 AM

QUOTE (oddsock @ 14.May.2018, 10:46 AM) *
because the various Swedish departments were too busy writing tailor made job descriptions for their mates.

When I have a recruitment to fill and know the exact person whom I would like to fill that position, yet the recruitment policy mandates placing the ad external. I would also tailor the recruitment ad so that the only 100% fit is that individual.

Many companies have policies that before a position can be filled by an internal candidate it must be offered public first, hence why many recruitments get filled during the process by an internal.

This is all they are doing, mirroring industry standard (Global, not just Sweden).

Are those who are slamming Swedish Uni recruitments also the same people that would never accept a job offered by a relative, friend or former colleague, who believe you are the best person for the job?

He who hath no sin cast the first stone ;-)

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 17.Jun.2018, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 16.Jun.2018, 03:44 PM) *
You know how I know about this by doing something that is very foreign to swedes actually talking talking to people.


So your answer to my question is no, you didn't do an unbiased statistical survey with a large enough selection.

Posted by: Gjeebes 18.Jun.2018, 05:00 AM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 17.Jun.2018, 10:21 AM) *
I am typical in that I find it fashionable to downplay the extreme nepotism that is the undercurrent of the Swedish labour market.

Yes, you're just another proud member of the Swedish 'homo academicus'. Maybe you and yours should organise a parade for yourselves, to really emphasise your point-of-view.

Posted by: robbie1985 18.Jun.2018, 08:26 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 16.Jun.2018, 06:21 PM) *
Wouldn't the same be true for those who've had a "great" experience? You know, like, you know 3 Swedes and all is merry in your world?

Who's "universal truth"? Yours?

Your logic seems to be, "all is great in my world, therefore, the world is great".

Ab FAB! You are a genius!

You drank the coolaid, and are now in the final stages...

Woah there cowboy! If you read any of my 'pro-Sweden' posts you will see my standard disclaimer that "this is my experience, yours may vary" so chill out with the projection.

I was responding to someone who claimed the ENTIRE Swedish education system was bad because ALL Swedes were ignorant to one specific fact. Huge generalisations and sweeping statements with no evidence to back it up.

There are a lot of things I dislike about Sweden, and far more things I love, but I would never claim any of these things are universal and must be liked/disliked in the same way by all.

Posted by: wallace1837 19.Oct.2018, 01:43 AM

Swedish academia was inbred before. Now they are heading for more inbreeding when they realise that Migrationsverket makes it impossible to do PhD is you are not Sven enough:
https://www.entreprenor.se/nyheter/kompetensutvisningarna/migrationsverkets-nya-rutiner-saboterar-svensk-forskning_699669.html

Sweden is now discriminating against foreign talent in their recruitment process. Way to go Sweden, you will achieve a monophyletic faculty in no time.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Oct.2018, 02:46 PM

"Way to go Sweden, you will achieve a monophyletic faculty in no time. "

Why is that expressed as a negative thing???

Posted by: wallace1837 20.Oct.2018, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 19.Oct.2018, 02:46 PM) *
Why is that expressed as a negative thing???

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_inbreeding

One day you may be able to collect information yourself and make an inform opinion...

Posted by: oddsock 31.Oct.2018, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 17.Jun.2018, 11:21 AM) *
When I have a recruitment to fill and know the exact person whom I would like to fill that position, yet the recruitment policy mandates placing the ad external. I would also tailor the recruitment ad so that the only 100% fit is that individual.


Why? You don't want to risk having to hire somebody who might be even better? What a disaster that would be!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 31.Oct.2018, 03:36 PM

Hiring/promoting from within is a standard practice that allows a career ladder and creates a happier and better work experience for current employees. ..

Posted by: wallace1837 31.Oct.2018, 05:08 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 31.Oct.2018, 03:36 PM) *
Hiring/promoting from within is a standard practice that allows a career ladder and creates a happier and better work experience for current employees. ..

and shitty universities.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 31.Oct.2018, 08:56 PM

If the Swedes are satisfied by the way THEY run THEIR system, then why are you against it???

Posted by: wallace1837 1.Nov.2018, 02:46 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 31.Oct.2018, 09:56 PM) *
If the Swedes are satisfied by the way THEY run THEIR system, then why are you against it???

They violate THEIR OWN law and THEIR OWN principles. https://universitetslararen.se/2018/05/03/riggade-utlysningar-vid-larosatena-strider-mot-grundlagen/ Why are YOU defending THEM?

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 1.Nov.2018, 08:14 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 31.Oct.2018, 05:08 PM) *
and shitty universities.


I don't see much top-ranking research produced by places like Pakistan, India or Bangladesh, the purposed pinnacles of human intellectual achievement.

Posted by: Gjeebes 2.Nov.2018, 06:23 PM

"I don't see much top-ranking research produced by places like Pakistan, India or Bangladesh, the purposed pinnacles of human intellectual achievement."

This narrow view only available in Sweden! The home of "small".

Posted by: Akira 2.Nov.2018, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 3.May.2018, 10:38 AM) *
Swedish academia/universities are highly inbred and they are working hard to keep it that way: https://universitetslararen.se/2018/05/03/riggade-utlysningar-vid-larosatena-strider-mot-grundlagen/

This is only the tip of the iceberg. The corruption is visceral and stretch way further into research time allocation, teaching allocation and committee services.

It is not abnormal in Sweden to have children with your Ph.D. supervisor and later be hired as a postdoc by the father of your child at the university where you graduated! This is world class inbreeding. Congratulation Sweden.

Stay away from Swedish academia!
I wish I had discovered this thread before coming to Sweden, although I came in 2017 so it wouldn't be possible to discover THIS particular thread tongue.gif

I am a Postdoc in a university, some things that I have learned and seen:
-Girlfriend in PhD brings boyfriend over, boyfriend sticks around in the lab until they find a PhD for him, boyfriend finishes PhD and sticks around until they find a postdoc for him.
-Boyfriend (another one) brings girlfriend over for postdoc, with two weak conference papers and 3 citations on her PhD output.
-The "darlings" of influential supervisors go from PhD, to Postdoc, to permanent Forskare, without even anyone taking notice, no open calls were made.

I am leaving the country soon because I found a better opportunity abroad and I also got disgusted by this inbreeding. I finished my PhD in another country where you could not continue as a postdoc in the same department (technically you could if you asked for it, but your CV would be crap anywhere in that country and it was against the law to make it to permanent researcher).

edit:// I think that they are actually unaware of how bad this is, in the second case for instance, the girlfriend postdoc, I questioned the head of the department about how could this low-qualified person be hired as postdoc, and the head said among other things: "...and then you know, there was also her situation with X (the boyfriend)"

Posted by: wallace1837 2.Nov.2018, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (Akira @ 2.Nov.2018, 09:15 PM) *
I wish I had discovered this thread before coming to Sweden, although I came in 2017 so it wouldn't be possible to discover THIS particular thread tongue.gif

I am a Postdoc in a university, some things that I have learned and seen:
-Girlfriend in PhD brings boyfriend over, boyfriend sticks around in the lab until they find a PhD for him, boyfriend finishes PhD and sticks around until they find a postdoc for him.
-Boyfriend (another one) brings girlfriend over for postdoc, with two weak conference papers and 3 citations on her PhD output.
-The "darlings" of influential supervisors go from PhD, to Postdoc, to permanent Forskare, without even anyone taking notice, no open calls were made.

I am leaving the country soon because I found a better opportunity abroad and I also got disgusted by this inbreeding. I finished my PhD in another country where you could not continue as a postdoc in the same department (technically you could if you asked for it, but your CV would be crap anywhere in that country and it was against the law to make it to permanent researcher).

edit:// I think that they are actually unaware of how bad this is, in the second case for instance, the girlfriend postdoc, I questioned the head of the department about how could this low-qualified person be hired as postdoc, and the head said among other things: "...and then you know, there was also her situation with X (the boyfriend)"

The sooner you get out of Sweden, the better. This nonsense can kill you from inside if you are used to a normal meritocracy.

Posted by: Akira 2.Nov.2018, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 2.Nov.2018, 09:34 PM) *
The sooner you get out of Sweden, the better. This nonsense can kill you from inside if you are used to a normal meritocracy.

It is exactly how I feel. I told the head recently that because of this inbreeding I have been demoralized and I cannot work anymore, I am useless to the lab and handing in my notice. I have seen too many of my good friends and even better researchers struggling to achieve excellence, by mobilizing, by entering competitive channels, to be able to stomach this.

Posted by: Akira 2.Nov.2018, 09:46 PM

And I read now that apparently it was a big political issue in the summer?

So, wtf, couldn't they just pause the inbreeding in this university for a year let's say? Are they suicidal or does no one eve care? They started the inbreeding immediately after they are back from vacation?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Nov.2018, 10:01 PM

Personal networking within a community may be called "inbreeding" by outsiders who want the best positions for themselves and would be happy to choose personal networking for jobs that went to them as a name/reason for their success if it went their way...

Inbreeding then would be enjoyed!!!

Posted by: Akira 2.Nov.2018, 10:11 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Nov.2018, 10:01 PM) *
Personal networking within a community may be called "inbreeding" by outsiders who want the best positions for themselves and would be happy to choose personal networking for jobs that went to them as a name/reason for their success if it went their way...

Inbreeding then would be enjoyed!!!

I don't know my friend, in their evaluation a couple of months ago I was told by the head that I am the best postdoc here and that they wish to keep me, I mean, although my CV internationally is okeish, it is 2-3 times better than any postdoc here. It is just that my postdoc contract hadn't expired yet to allow me to enter the inbreeding process. And what is even the point if you are dead inside and you slave away for a mediocre supervisor? I don't think any normal person could handle it.

Posted by: Akira 2.Nov.2018, 10:20 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Nov.2018, 10:01 PM) *
Personal networking within a community may be called "inbreeding" by outsiders who want the best positions for themselves and would be happy to choose personal networking for jobs that went to them as a name/reason for their success if it went their way...

Inbreeding then would be enjoyed!!!

Also, the term "personal networking" completely escaped me, the f**k? I do personal networking, I collaborate with some influential researcher, and I use this to collaborate with other influential researchers that have collaborated with the former researcher, that is personal networking through your work, but what is described in this thread is nepotism.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Nov.2018, 10:54 PM

Personal networking with those of the "community" that can offer advancement, not your peers...

Posted by: wallace1837 3.Nov.2018, 01:44 AM

QUOTE (Akira @ 2.Nov.2018, 11:20 PM) *
Also, the term "personal networking" completely escaped me, the f**k? I do personal networking, I collaborate with some influential researcher, and I use this to collaborate with other influential researchers that have collaborated with the former researcher, that is personal networking through your work, but what is described in this thread is nepotism.

You did the right thing for science. Unfortunately, to be promoted in Sweden you must start using their backward thinking and confound nepotism and inbreeding with diversity and meritocracy.

Get out of Sweden and life, work and everything in between will make sense again.

Posted by: Gjeebes 3.Nov.2018, 05:40 AM

Akira, ignore Gamla. He has never lived in Sweden, and likely dropped out of school in grade 4, after failing reading and comprehension. His practice is to twist your words in silly ways to goad you into arguing with him. Just a lonely old man in NYC who suffers Swedish heritage.

I was a foass at a Meatballian uni; it doesn't get better when you join on as faculty, trust me.

Get out of there as fast as you can. Count yourself lucky that you figured it out before you planted roots in Meatballia. The faculty is filled with non-performing meatballs who are basically the idiots you are posting about, a couple years down the road.

I learned quickly that Swedes can't think their way out of the simplest problem, and therefore simply go into denial mode. It is like a national illness.

I left, and can say it was the best move I ever made.

If you buy into the low standard offered in Meatballia, not only in their unis, you will get stuck in a trap. You will be too good for them, and never be promoted (unless YOU become the boyfriend or are the nephew), and in the meanwhile, you ignored what's going on "out there" in the big ole world that the Meatballs don't know exists, and become uncompetitive.

Posted by: Akira 3.Nov.2018, 10:35 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 3.Nov.2018, 05:40 AM) *
Akira, ignore Gamla. He has never lived in Sweden, and likely dropped out of school in grade 4, after failing reading and comprehension. His practice is to twist your words in silly ways to goad you into arguing with him. Just a lonely old man in NYC who suffers Swedish heritage.

I was a foass at a Meatballian uni; it doesn't get better when you join on as faculty, trust me.

Get out of there as fast as you can. Count yourself lucky that you figured it out before you planted roots in Meatballia. The faculty is filled with non-performing meatballs who are basically the idiots you are posting about, a couple years down the road.

I learned quickly that Swedes can't think their way out of the simplest problem, and therefore simply go into denial mode. It is like a national illness.

I left, and can say it was the best move I ever made.

If you buy into the low standard offered in Meatballia, not only in their unis, you will get stuck in a trap. You will be too good for them, and never be promoted (unless YOU become the boyfriend or are the nephew), and in the meanwhile, you ignored what's going on "out there" in the big ole world that the Meatballs don't know exists, and become uncompetitive.
Thank you for your message smile.gif I'm relieved to see that some people understand me. The uncompetitiveness issue is what I also mentioned to the head, I told them something like "I am fading out of relevance with how you run things". Do you know what else I did? I proactively contacted my new employment in the new country, and I told them what is happening here, and if this is happening there as well I would not go, I would be useless like here, it is an insane research environment.

Is there some official forum in Sweden where I could discretely share some information about those things that I mentioned, like Saco-S? Or are they aware of this and just act as if they do not see it? We have a representative in the university, in another lab though.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Nov.2018, 04:59 PM

Being in a situation where things are governed by "good old boys" has a glass ceiling and espouses cliquish behaviour is not a pleasant thing to experience and is not exclusive to Sweden...

You have to be exceptional to beat the"home boys" at their game wherever and whenever you encounter them...

Diligent investigation will be helpful in future employment and will always be beneficial to you...You have already started down that road...

Good luck

Posted by: wallace1837 4.Nov.2018, 02:44 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 3.Nov.2018, 05:59 PM) *
is not exclusive to Sweden...

One more unsubstantiated claim.

Anyway, it is not about how common or rare rigged advertisement is. It is about how deep the academia is corrupted in Sweden.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Nov.2018, 04:42 AM

Those on the outside looking in think differently about the way things are run from the insiders who are running the show...

Posted by: Gjeebes 4.Nov.2018, 02:46 PM

"Those on the outside looking in think differently about the way things are run from the insiders who are running the show..."

Yes, especially those who've never lived in Sweden, such as yourself, will never know Sweden like those of us who have, and do.

If by "think[ing] differently", you mean, existing in the total ignorance of which you write, that is.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 5.Nov.2018, 05:36 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Nov.2018, 10:01 PM) *
Personal networking within a community may be called "inbreeding" by outsiders who want the best positions for themselves and would be happy to choose personal networking for jobs that went to them as a name/reason for their success if it went their way...

Inbreeding then would be enjoyed!!!



QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Nov.2018, 10:54 PM) *
Personal networking with those of the "community" that can offer advancement, not your peers...


N.b. when indian companies in Australia bring in programmers from India without giving local talent a fair chance it isn't called "nepotism" it is simply called bringing in the best fit. When an Indian resturant owner in Sweden wants to bring in his cousin with no culinary training whatsoever as a chef, instead of a local chef with culinary training. This isn't called nepotism.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Nov.2018, 06:13 PM

This appears to be no more than a case of "sour grapes"...those complaining, had they received the advancement opportunities that went to others...would be overjoyed to receive them, and to continue working at the sub-standard levels they are claiming to exist and are now condemning here...

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 5.Nov.2018, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 5.Nov.2018, 06:13 PM) *
This appears to be no more than a case of "sour grapes"...those complaining, had they received the advancement opportunities that went to others...would be overjoyed to receive them, and to continue working at the sub-standard levels they are claiming to exist and are now condemning here...


Yes, isn't it odd that all this "world class talent" that outperform every swedish researcher has the time to whine on an obscure online forum instead of producing paradigm-shifting research?

Posted by: oddsock 6.Nov.2018, 01:50 PM

Academia in all countries is rife with inbreeding. I have worked in academia in three different countries (including Sweden) and it is the same everywhere. I was forced to move to different countries and apply for grants to continue to survive. I have brought in >700k euro in grants in total, published 10 papers, been well cited, done teaching, etc. Never been invited to a tenure track interview, go figure. I get the feeling that the USA is a bit more meritocratic, but then they also do the infamous "spouse hire" there as well.

So don't expect things to be any better outside of Sweden. What I do instead is try to work with like-minded researchers in other parts of Sweden and the world. With the internet it is easy. So I just ignore most of my inbred colleagues and continue to forge ahead with my work.

Obviously it is more difficult to be independent when you are a postdoc of a supervisor who doesn't give you research freedom. Then you are a bit of a prisoner. I've been in that situation and got out as soon as I could.

Posted by: wallace1837 7.Nov.2018, 04:12 AM

QUOTE (oddsock @ 6.Nov.2018, 01:50 PM) *
Academia in all countries is rife with inbreeding. I have worked in academia in three different countries (including Sweden) and it is the same everywhere. I was forced to move to different countries and apply for grants to continue to survive. I have brought in >700k euro in grants in total, published 10 papers, been well cited, done teaching, etc. Never been invited to a tenure track interview, go figure. I get the feeling that the USA is a bit more meritocratic, but then they also do the infamous "spouse hire" there as well.

So don't expect things to be any better outside of Sweden. What I do instead is try to work with like-minded researchers in other parts of Sweden and the world. With the internet it is easy. So I just ignore most of my inbred colleagues and continue to forge ahead with my work.

Obviously it is more difficult to be independent when you are a postdoc of a supervisor who doesn't give you research freedom. Then you are a bit of a prisoner. I've been in that situation and got out as soon as I could.

Are you really pitching the fallacious "it is the same everywhere"?

Get supported evidence of inbreeding at the scale of Sweden, then show it. In the meantime, don't waste time on fallacious reasoning and excuses.

Posted by: Akira 7.Nov.2018, 07:25 PM

So I submitted my resignation earlier in the week. I would like to get some facts straight. The head of the lab told me that in Sweden there is a 2+2 rule for Postdoktors, which means that if one does a 2-year postdoc, and then another 2-year postdoc, they are eligible for a permanent position. However, I have three problems with that:

1) Why are the darlings of the supervisors get handed permanent positions after just a little more than 2 years, without bringing their own funding?

2) How can one even go beyond 3 years as a Postdoktor when that is forbidden? https://www.arbetsgivarverket.se/globalassets/avtal-skrifter/centralaavtal/forhandlingsprotokoll-2008-09-04.pdf

3) Shouldn't the permanent positions be advertised? If not, it already seems like a postdoc is a tenure-track to a permanent position.

Posted by: wallace1837 7.Nov.2018, 10:25 PM

QUOTE (Akira @ 7.Nov.2018, 07:25 PM) *
So I submitted my resignation earlier in the week. I would like to get some facts straight. The head of the lab told me that in Sweden there is a 2+2 rule for Postdoktors, which means that if one does a 2-year postdoc, and then another 2-year postdoc, they are eligible for a permanent position. However, I have three problems with that:

1) Why are the darlings of the supervisors get handed permanent positions after just a little more than 2 years, without bringing their own funding?

2) How can one even go beyond 3 years as a Postdoktor when that is forbidden? https://www.arbetsgivarverket.se/globalassets/avtal-skrifter/centralaavtal/forhandlingsprotokoll-2008-09-04.pdf

3) Shouldn't the permanent positions be advertised? If not, it already seems like a postdoc is a tenure-track to a permanent position.

You are trying to make sense out of nonsense. Forget about Sweden and move on.

Permanent position are not permanent they are "until further notice". They will start the redundancy process 6 months to a year before you run out of funding, so they can kick you out of your permanent position as soon as funding run out.

You are not an inbreed, get out of there.

Posted by: oddsock 8.Nov.2018, 11:21 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 7.Nov.2018, 05:12 AM) *
Are you really pitching the fallacious "it is the same everywhere"?


Obviously I'm not, because I said the USA is probably better.

Within Europe: Italy, France, Spain, Belgium, Ireland, Denmark and eastern Europe generally a complete farce. Sweden is in the meddling group along with Netherlands. Best is Germany and UK.

Within Sweden there are various levels of inbreeding depending on department culture. I know a department in Skåne where all the staff are from Skåne.

Posted by: wallace1837 8.Nov.2018, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (oddsock @ 8.Nov.2018, 11:21 AM) *
Obviously I'm not, because I said the USA is probably better.

QUOTE (oddsock @ 6.Nov.2018, 01:50 PM) *
Academia in all countries is rife with inbreeding.

Posted by: oddsock 22.Nov.2018, 03:10 PM

Saying 'there is inbreeding everywhere' is not the same as saying 'there is the same level of inbreeding everywhere'

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Nov.2018, 03:29 PM

Why should the Swedes or anybody else give something good to a foreigner when they could give it to a countryman???

Posted by: wallace1837 22.Nov.2018, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 22.Nov.2018, 03:29 PM) *
Why should the Swedes or anybody else give something good to a foreigner when they could give it to a countryman???

If you replace "Swedes" by "racists" in your citation above everything makes sense.

Posted by: Gjeebes 23.Nov.2018, 04:52 AM

Having dropped out by grade 4, Gamla can't possibly understand the purpose of universities, nor of academic mobility.

But Wallace, just look at the Meatballian uni situation. After decades of inbreeding, they are screwed!

Sort of like a self-fulfilling prophecy!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Nov.2018, 08:44 AM

Why should the racists or anybody else give something good to a foreigner when they could give it to a countryman???

Posted by: wallace1837 23.Nov.2018, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 23.Nov.2018, 09:44 AM) *
Why should the racists or anybody else give something good to a foreigner when they could give it to a countryman???

To develop a meritocratic society that can accomplish something valuable.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Nov.2018, 07:53 PM

Why would a racist want to do that???

Posted by: wallace1837 23.Nov.2018, 10:29 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 23.Nov.2018, 08:53 PM) *
Why would a racist want to do that???

Swedes don't want to admit that they are racists and they don't want to admit that they are not a meritocratic society.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Nov.2018, 11:00 PM

OMG!!!

You mean they are Liberals...

Posted by: wallace1837 25.Nov.2018, 02:39 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 24.Nov.2018, 12:00 AM) *
OMG!!!

You mean they are Liberals...

No, I said racist.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Nov.2018, 07:21 AM

Is there a difference???

Posted by: Akira 27.Nov.2018, 07:34 PM

For what it's worth, I have filed a formal complaint to Universitetskanslersämbetet and they have assigned a case number to it.

To be honest, with the amount of inbreeding and corruption that I have seen in Sweden, I do not expect them to do much. The most probable answer will be: "Well, it is normal to make Swedish-only permanent job openings for non-Swedish speaking people with an application deadline of two weeks and a job description that is the PhD description of the sole applicant, what is your problem with that?"

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 29.Nov.2018, 11:01 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 23.Nov.2018, 07:22 PM) *
To develop a meritocratic society that can accomplish something valuable.


Always funny to hear about how worthless the swedish system is, yet everyone and their aunt seem desperate to come here.

Posted by: Gjeebes 29.Nov.2018, 07:57 PM

"Always funny to hear about how worthless the swedish system is, yet everyone and their aunt seem desperate to come here."

That's just because the fugees are allowed to bring their families to join them in Sweden's mass and uncontrolled importation of unemployment.

Not that funny really. More sad.

Only desperate people and Brits think Meatballia has anything to offer.

Posted by: Akira 30.Nov.2018, 01:38 AM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 29.Nov.2018, 11:01 AM) *
Always funny to hear about how worthless the swedish system is, yet everyone and their aunt seem desperate to come here.

Actually as an outsider Sweden looked like a sweet deal, it is until you go there and find out how the system works that you start questioning your choice.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Nov.2018, 03:09 AM

That is the problem and focus with most of the posts on this Forum...

The expectations and then the realities...

You rarely see happy posts here...

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 30.Nov.2018, 07:52 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 29.Nov.2018, 07:57 PM) *
"Always funny to hear about how worthless the swedish system is, yet everyone and their aunt seem desperate to come here."

That's just because the fugees are allowed to bring their families to join them in Sweden's mass and uncontrolled importation of unemployment.

Not that funny really. More sad.

Only desperate people and Brits think Meatballia has anything to offer.


And the pakistanis, and the bangladeshis and the indians.

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