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Saturdays NAZI march (Stockholm)

14th September 2013

Ivor stephé
post 15.Sep.2013, 09:40 AM
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Yesterday I was up in Stockholm, and was unlucky enough to witness a political march for the "svenskarnas" party.
A political group that is described in the press as a neo nazi party.

According to media reports from DN.
Claimed that 200 or so were marching. But anyone who was able to observe the march as it went down Kungsgatan could clearly see it was much larger than was being reported.

Which is worrying in regards to both the level of supporters the march had.
But also what appears to be bias in reporting from national newspapers.

The counter demonstration was claimed to be larger.
But I am not sure to what extent as many of the people on the street looked more so like shoppers who became spectators and mixed in. As when the march walked through the streets, the police ushered all the people so the march could pass through its route.

While I expected a majority of thugs and skinheads in the "Nazi" march, I was astonished to the extent of support that this "Nazi" party receives in Sweden and across such a diverse span of classes.

If you look at the picture grabbed from the Aftonbladet newspaper, you can see (although fuzzy) a wide range of Swedes from all parts of society in favour of this organisation.

From my perspective, most of the trouble came from so called anti nazi supporters.
With an alarming amount of young adults under the illusion they had carte blanche in regards to the actions they could take to oppose the rally.
 
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AgeOfReason
post 15.Sep.2013, 10:07 AM
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QUOTE (Ivor stephé @ 15.Sep.2013, 10:40 AM) *
Yesterday I was up in Stockholm, and was unlucky enough to witness a political march for the "svenskarnas" party.. A political group that is described in the press as a neo nazi party.

And they are also proud to be called rasist!

This party was formed out of the purge that Sverige Demokrats did to remove those extreme right wing who want to ship all immigrants out of Sweden.
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chloeeff2
post 15.Sep.2013, 10:58 AM
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QUOTE (Ivor stephé @ 15.Sep.2013, 08:40 AM) *
is described in the press

Here you have made your first mistake towards being one of the press' monkeys.
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Ivor stephé
post 15.Sep.2013, 11:28 AM
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I have only seen the national swedish tabloids for reference.
I havent seen anything on the TV news, such as SVT.

Could you or anyone else confirm the manner in which this party is described via the state broadcast channels?

As I would like to know how this group is described in from so called independent sources.
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Seamus Sean
post 15.Sep.2013, 11:51 AM
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QUOTE (AgeOfReason @ 15.Sep.2013, 10:07 AM) *
And they are also proud to be called rasist!. This party was formed out of the purge that Sverige Demokrats did to remove those extreme right wing who want to ship all immigrants out of Sweden.

You say they are proud to be called racist, is this due to the mainstream media calling anyone who questions failed immigration policies and the impact they can see day in and day out affecting them and their country "racist"?

Knowing that continuing these polices, 30 years or so of failed immigration policies hasn´t slowed down the rate of immigrants being imported to Sweden, will only see their children and their children's children reap what today´s political leaders are sowing.

As an immigrant myself I have no problem with Swedes wanting to keep Sweden Swedish, standing up and being counted, saying enough is enough. Then again I´m the type of immigrant who never received any help from the Swedish state, during hard times having to beg, borrow and...borrow again to feed my family, Swedish wife and kids yet others were housed and seemed to get far better looked after.

Personally I felt we were being discriminated against, I was an immigrant but not an immigrant who would be supported and helped "integrate". Those being looked after were of different race to me, so was I being discriminated due to my race and the country I was born in?

My wife and kids are Swedish citizens with Swedish passports yet they didn´t have someone paying their way for them, if they had been of the same race as those that were housed and looked after they too would have been treated the same, so was that a form of racism? (being discriminated against in Sweden due to being Swedish??)

When the working man (or woman) sees that they and their kind are being unfairly treated while others of a different race get treated better then they will get upset and turn towards the more extreme political parties.

But remember those marching and waving their flags may claim to be racists, and may be proud to be so, but the current immigration policies have gone along way towards making these people such!
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Ivor stephé
post 15.Sep.2013, 12:11 PM
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Very interesting to read the Wikipedia page concerning the party.
Although accuracy cannot be guaranteed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Party_of_the_Swedes

Ideology

The party describes its ideology as nationalism based on a biological ground.
The political program states that:

1. Sweden should also in the future be Swedish: Only people who belong to the western genetic and cultural heritage, where ethnic Swedes are included, should be Swedish citizens.

2. Sweden shall be governed by the Swedes: Non-Swedes shall not be allowed to hold positions of power in Swedish society.

3. Sweden shall be governed for the Swedes: All policy decisions should be based on what is best for the interests of ethnic Swedes.

4. Sweden shall be governed as effectively as possible: The state apparatus shall be headed by a modern system of government that benefits the Swedes as efficiently as possible. The form of the government must be based on competence and responsibility, and its mission must always be to serve the people, not vice versa. The government's motto should be improvement, development and what's best for all of the people.

5. Sweden shall have actual self-government: Collaborations with other countries shall be gladly carried out, but no agreement stating that a supranational government will be accepted.

6. Sweden shall be a safe country to live in: Security, both individual and economic, should be one of the society's foundations.

7. Freedom of expression: All questions shall be allowed to be discussed in Sweden, research shall be free, and restriction of privacy by governmental surveillance of non-criminal citizens shall not be allowed.

8. Swedish resources shall be owned by the Swedish people: Major Swedish natural resources and public utilities should be owned by the Swedish people meaning that all profits from such business returns to the population and not to foreign or private interests.

9. Community cohesion and social justice should permeate society: Class fragmentation should be replaced by class community whereby all of the peoples' creative and productive efforts are highly valued and no social group is allowed to advance at the expense of any other.

10. Sweden shall have strong environmental and animal welfare goals: Sweden has unique nature that is worth protecting and preserving. Food industry and other industries dealing with livestock must be ethically sound and sustainable.
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Bender B Rodriquez
post 15.Sep.2013, 01:12 PM
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QUOTE (Ivor stephé @ 15.Sep.2013, 12:28 PM) *
I have only seen the national swedish tabloids for reference.I havent seen anything on the TV news, such as SVT.Could you or anyone else confirm the manner in which this party ... (show full quote)

Just effing google it.

Also, DN is not a tabloid. Aftonbladet and Expressen are tabloids.
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Ivor stephé
post 15.Sep.2013, 02:49 PM
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dagens_Nyheter

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The format was completely changed from the classic broadsheet to tabloid on 5 October 2004.
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Model T Ford
post 15.Sep.2013, 02:49 PM
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There are vile nuts in any society, and it is good for them to be seen and known for what they stand for and who they are.

If you want to know more about them, do some research, and do what you can to limit their support.

Certainly do nothing to prevent them from speaking and demonstrating about what they stand for.

It's only by attempting to suppress them - what tends to make them martyrs and beaten-down underdogs - that they can become dangerous, like the original Nazis.
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AgeOfReason
post 15.Sep.2013, 03:33 PM
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QUOTE (Model T Ford @ 15.Sep.2013, 03:49 PM) *
Certainly do nothing to prevent them from speaking and demonstrating about what they stand for.It's only by attempting to suppress them - what tends to make them martyrs a ... (show full quote)

...and it goes against democratic principles, since they do represent a portion of the population.
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Seamus Sean
post 15.Sep.2013, 04:37 PM
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QUOTE (Model T Ford @ 15.Sep.2013, 02:49 PM) *
There are vile nuts in any society, and it is good for them to be seen and known for what they stand for and who they are.If you want to know more about them, do some research ... (show full quote)

Or maybe fix the problems that these people can see that are wrong with the current situation and which leads them towards the more extreme forms of politics???

These "vile nuts", as you choose to describe them, took to marching and joining such political parties for a reason.
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chloeeff2
post 15.Sep.2013, 05:09 PM
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I must agree with you for once, it's sickening that only immigrants of a certain affinity will get help ... and lots of it. I am talking about tens of thousands of SEK per month ...
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Bender B Rodriquez
post 15.Sep.2013, 05:51 PM
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QUOTE (Ivor stephé @ 15.Sep.2013, 03:49 PM) *

Yes, I know that the format is tabloid, like most newspapers nowadays. But when you say that you read something in a tabloid, you mean something entirely different.
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StephenR
post 17.Sep.2013, 07:25 PM
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QUOTE (Seamus Sean @ 15.Sep.2013, 12:51 PM) *
You say they are proud to be called racist, is this due to the mainstream media calling anyone who questions failed immigration policies and the impact they can see day in and ... (show full quote)

It's probably more to do with the fact that this is just Nationalsocialistisk Front with a new name...But you know it's not like they echo Hitler's desire for an ethnically pure lebensraum or anything. Oh wait, they do.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 17.Sep.2013, 11:39 PM
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It is allowed to express your political agenda and beliefs, that's what democracy is about...what happens at the voting booths is a different story...what is broadcast as an extremist group boldly marching in large numbers, in the street, by the press...may not do so good when the votes are counted.

Extremism makes the "middle" look good to both sides!
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