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Pros and cons of raising children in Sweden

Comparing this country to, say, Australia

Taxalien
post 17.Sep.2010, 12:00 PM
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QUOTE (Cojoncillo @ 17.Sep.2010, 08:25 AM) *
Sorry but the highest rate of unemployment in Europe is in Spain.


I was commenting on youth unemployment not overall unemployment.

But in any case Spain and Greece is probably worse than us, but the point is that Sweden is much worse than the European average for youth unemployment.

Oh it is apparently 30% that have incomplete graduation from colleges in Sweden in 2008. Up from 20% in 1995.

It is a long standing problem, so no established party can make any claim to be better off than the other.

There is a bunch of statistics on:

http://www.dn.se/ekonomi/rekordhog-arbetsl...-unga-1.1075242
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Cojoncillo
post 17.Sep.2010, 07:11 PM
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QUOTE (Taxalien @ 17.Sep.2010, 01:00 PM) *
I was commenting on youth unemployment not overall unemployment.But in any case Spain and Greece is probably worse than us, but the point is that Sweden is much worse than the ... (show full quote)



Spain HAS the highest young unemployment in the EU.

http://www.euribor.com.es/2010/01/12/espan...oven-en-europa/

Sweden is the 7th.

I dont even want to enter the argument of finished careers. In Spain we have great professionals but most of the population of my generation have no higher education whatsoever.

There are pros and cons about everywhere. FInd your fit and be merry.
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JLondon
post 18.Sep.2010, 01:22 AM
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People say that the level of education is better in Sweden compared to the UK and USA.

I disagree. Sweden is privatizing its system - making money. I think the education is good but not what it use to be.
I don't think the university level will ever be as good as USA and UK, the endowment is simply not enough.

As for wanting to live a different life in Sweden, less commercialized than UK and USA. Yes. Sweden is great for that
peaceful life.

But then you got the highest rape/sexual abuse in Europe (not sure about worldwide). So maybe the most important topic on moving to Sweden for a better life is: Should I move to a country which has a very high sexual abuse crime, and your more likely to have a longer jail term for tax than rape.

Housing is cheaper in Sweden - but you wont get the profit like you do in UK, not sure about USA never had a house in USA.

All countries have good and bad. So its upto the individual. I have lived in UK and Sweden, and overall I choose UK because in my opinion there isn't much the UK lacks. I read an article in TL about Swedens most expensive property at 80 million sek. Well try London. And thats the reality of things. Theres a reason why 60m people live in UK so it can't be all bad.

Best of luck to whatever option(s) you chose.
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Taxalien
post 18.Sep.2010, 11:44 AM
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QUOTE (Cojoncillo @ 17.Sep.2010, 06:11 PM) *
Spain HAS the highest young unemployment in the EU. . http://www.euribor.com.es/2010/01/12/espan...oven-en-europa/


Great page. Just illustrates how bad Sweden is.

Considering Swedens history of capitalism, it is a monumental failure to be lumped together with other nations that do not have share the same history.

Spain lost during a period of its history going back all the way to the conquest of the Americas (due to not understanding inflation and its effect on the economy - the perfect example as to why money is not the essence of capitalism); then you have all the former eastern block that lost years due to communism - the only exception is Slovenia which was highly industrialised due to its history as part of Austria, the same going for the Czech republic and then you have Belgium and France which have a long history of socialism.

Out of the bottom, only Bulgaria and Portugal stand out.

Where is Greece in that one?
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SteezMom
post 11.Aug.2014, 10:28 PM
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As an American married to a Swede, one of the biggest negatives to me is how teen sex is totally considered normal here and teens are allowed to have co-ed sleepovers with their boyfriend or girlfriends at a young age.

Many parents allow sleepover for teens as young as 15 years old (since 15 is the legal age of consent in Sweden). Many families even take the boyfriend/girlfriend on vacations with them while they are still teenagers. It seems very strange for me to allow your young teenage daughter to sleep over at a boyfriend's house when she is as young as 14 years old sometimes. I don't know any American parents who would allow this.

Also, it does seem like a lot of the kids just coast through schooling. Many don't have a goal to go to college right out of high school. They will work random jobs until they decide to get serious about a career and go back to school. There is a little guidance for children in terms of goals of going to school to get a higher education and also since it's so atheist, there aren't really any sexual moral rules instilled within the youth.

However, aside from this, as others have said there are a lot of positives such as equality, child care, education, parental leave, etc. etc.
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Hisingen
post 11.Aug.2014, 10:50 PM
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And of course the opportunity for learning Swedish - - -

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LLHope
post 11.Aug.2014, 10:57 PM
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QUOTE (SteezMom @ 11.Aug.2014, 10:28 PM) *
It seems very strange for me to allow your young teenage daughter to sleep over at a boyfriend's house

No matter how you try to pretend you can, if there is any one thing that human kind will never achieve is stopping teens from having sex.

Swedish society has understood this, and prefers to have their teens have sex (because they will anyway) in clean, safe, comfortable environments rather than what goes on in other conservative countries where they have to do it in dirty toilets and other nasty places.

If you have a daughter (and she will sooner or later during teens have sex) do you really want to condem her to have her first sexual experiences in a nasty environment? blink.gif
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skogsbo
post 12.Aug.2014, 06:17 AM
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QUOTE (SteezMom @ 11.Aug.2014, 10:28 PM) *
Many parents allow sleepover for teens as young as 15 years old (since 15 is the legal age of consent in Sweden). Many families even take the boyfriend/girlfriend on vacations ... (show full quote)

yeah, it simply means in the USA that the allegedly innocent 15yr old is just getting drilled during the daytime, or in the back of car etc.

QUOTE (SteezMom @ 11.Aug.2014, 10:28 PM) *
Also, it does seem like a lot of the kids just coast through schooling. Many don't have a goal to go to college right out of high school. They will work random jobs until ... (show full quote)

perhaps it is better to actually work a little, at anything, before committing to higher education. How can anyone who has never worked be expected to know what they should study at higher education, it's a crazy system when looked at pragmatically. A compulsory gap year before degrees would make so much sense.

What is so atheist? Such an odd comment.

Plus, sexual moral rules? You mean like the USA where the president gets a blow job off his secretary? And his wife accepts it? (not to mention to public) That kind of thing?
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SteezMom
post 12.Aug.2014, 05:17 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 11.Aug.2014, 09:57 PM) *
Swedish society has understood this, and prefers to have their teens have sex (because they will anyway) in clean, safe, comfortable environments rather than what goes on in o ... (show full quote)


I think this is like saying teens will drink, so let's just give them alcohol at home so they won't go out and drink somewhere else. I think you are not giving teens enough credit. As someone raised in the USA, I know plenty of teens who were NOT having sex and myself was one of them included. I think condoning sex for teenagers makes the whole thing very casual. By the time they graduate high school they will have multiple partners already. I don't think this prepares them for healthy relationships later in life or even marriage (but hey, that's just my opinion and my background).

I think as a parent you should guide your children to make the right choices. I don't think a 14/15 year old Swedish CHILD needs to be having sex. I think they should be focused on school and sports. Sex is for later when you move out of the house and you are an adult. Sex is for adult relationships. Not teens who cannot drive, cannot vote, cannot get married, cannot pay their own rent.
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Opalnera
post 12.Aug.2014, 05:58 PM
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My Australian parents let my boyfriend sleepover when I was 16 and bought my alcohol before I was legally allowed to drink (with my own money, because I had a job from when I was 15) for exactly the reason that they preferred that I was safe and sensible rather than out at parties doing silly things. They were far from the greatest parents, not because they were irresponsible but because they had their own problems, but I can't fault them for this. Worked for me, I was not promiscuous at all (in fact I was with my boyfriend for 11 years from 16 to 27) and I was for the most part very sensible with alcohol, while my friends were going to parties and scumming drinks out of random boys I went with my own alcohol that I drank in moderation. I had no need to test my parents limits, they set boundaries and I felt they were fair, most of my friends had much stricter parents but they were much wilder than I was and were very jealous that my parents were "cool". They did the same for my sister and she was really sensible too.

The expectation that teenagers are going to go to school and only focus on their studies is just denial, I managed to work, have boyfriends, go to parties, get good grades, graduate from school the month after I turned 17 and even moved out of home by myself and live my life as responsibly as I could manage (it was a bit rough in the beginning but I survived). Your teenage years prepare you to be an adult, your parents need to teach you to be an adult, because I don't know a single adult who is just focussing on one thing, we are all striving to achieve balance in our lives and it's a parents job to teach their teenage kids how to (at least try) achieve this balance. If you just say, well now you're going to school and that's it, they are just going to disobey you or wait until their 18 or 20 or 21 or however old you think being an "adult" is and get out into the world and be lost.

Don't get me wrong I don't think 15 year olds should be going around having sex because I don't think 15 year olds are emotionally ready but I don't think it's fair to say well you can't pay your own rent or legally vote so you can't have a committed relationship. A 16 or 17 year old can definitely have a committed relationship.

Also I don't think working after finishing school is a bad thing at all, not everyone knows what they want to do straight out of school or has the luxury of bludging off mummy and daddy into their 20s. In fact I don't think anyone SHOULD be bludging off their parents into their 20s. It's very common to take a gap year (or as it was for me, a gap 5 years) and find out a bit more about themselves in a work context and what kind of career they might want to have and make informed decisions.

Also none of this has anything to do with being Swedish, it's the world we live in today...or the last 20 years really, I was a teenager in the 90s.
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SteezMom
post 12.Aug.2014, 06:12 PM
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QUOTE (Opalnera @ 12.Aug.2014, 04:58 PM) *
Don't get me wrong I don't think 15 year olds should be going around having sex because I don't think 15 year olds are emotionally ready but I don't think it&# ... (show full quote)


I agree too. I think some 16 year olds can be mature too, but some are definitely not. It would have to be almost a case-by-case basis. But from what I've seen, kids here in Sweden think that the moment they turn 15 they need to start having sex because that is the thing "to do". And many are having sleepovers at 14 and parents are allowing it - it's the norm. This is what I have seen - so to me this is a negative about raising kids in Sweden (from an American perspective).

It's great they are educated on safe sex and how to protect themselves, but many have never been taught to try to wait till they are in love or see themselves marrying that person (like we are taught to wait in the USA for the "right person"). It's this very casual sex vibe. It may be great for adults to be serial daters and have casual sex, but it's not a value I want to teach my children.
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LLHope
post 12.Aug.2014, 06:44 PM
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QUOTE (SteezMom @ 12.Aug.2014, 05:12 PM) *
It's great they are educated on safe sex and how to protect themselves, but many have never been taught to try to wait till they are in love or see themselves marrying tha ... (show full quote)

Taught but not practised biggrin.gif
The USA has one of the highest teen pregnancy rates in the developed world. 75% of the per-capita reduction in teen pregnancies in the USA over the last couple of decades has been attributed to a greater use of condoms (safe-sex) rather than abstinence.

You will never stop teens having sex! wink.gif
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skogsbo
post 12.Aug.2014, 06:51 PM
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QUOTE (SteezMom @ 12.Aug.2014, 05:17 PM) *
. Not teens who cannot drive, cannot vote, cannot get married, cannot pay their own rent.

16 is a good benchmark age. In Sweden they can drive, they can work and many do, many live away from home Mon-Fri going to school in cities.
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Opalnera
post 12.Aug.2014, 07:36 PM
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QUOTE (SteezMom @ 12.Aug.2014, 05:12 PM) *
I agree too. I think some 16 year olds can be mature too, but some are definitely not. It would have to be almost a case-by-case basis. But from what I've seen, kids here ... (show full quote)


No indeed, I was not allowed to bring home random guys at 16, I was allowed to have my serious boyfriend stay over whom they knew and approved of. My parents were super honest with me and I was super honest with them, when I was thinking about having sex my mum and I went to the doctor and I went on the pill, we discussed it. My mum had gotten pregnant at 16 with my older sister and the circumstances were horrible, it was the 60s and she was excommunicated from her family for several years after she gave birth and she never wanted her daughters to feel like they couldn't be open with her and that she wouldn't be supportive. My mum was GREAT.

I think sex is a pressure on a lot of teenagers, particularly girls. I'm not sure you can reasonably expect anyone under 20 to think of marrying even a long term boyfriend or girlfriend but I think if they are seriously and exclusively dating one person that being supportive and open about sex is ok. Casual sex is not as glamourous as they make it out in the movies, you need to know your partner and have an ongoing, open dialogue for it to be good, teenagers need to know this stuff.

Again I don't think this is a Swedish issue, it's the same in most "western" countries.
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Opalnera
post 12.Aug.2014, 07:41 PM
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BTW I'm not really sure how well they are educated as far as safe sex is concerned, the 20 somethings (Swedish) I know were having a lot of casual, unprotected sex and never getting tested for STIs. In my book, no matter what, you get tested for STIs between partners. Made my (now) husband go and do it, good thing I did too because he had chlamydia and he had only had one partner before me. I'll leave my comments about her to myself cool.gif cool.gif
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