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Posted by: Gjeebes 13.Dec.2017, 06:59 PM

Can't make this stuff up. Way to go Sweden!

Granted, the programs concerned may not all be considered highly important, but more to the point, this IS happening at unis in Sweden, for some time now.

Get your goolge translate ready: https://www.dn.se/debatt/lararstudenter-saknar-las-och-skrivfardigheter/

and

http://lararnastidning.se/mojligt-bli-larare-med-005-pa-hogskoleprovet/

You'd think a rich country like Sweden would consider re-thinking its stance on poor teacher wages and working conditions etc, before it would come to this. But this is Sweden, and Sweden is an arrogant diva.

It turns out that (an estimated) 20% (that's 1 in 5) of those meeting entrance elligibility critera for teachier studies in courses offered at 9 universities, if these "measures" even qualify as "criteria", do not have the language skills in Swedish, to be able to comprehend the course content required to become a teacher.

How can this happen, you wonder in shock and amazement? It's easy. Simply lower the "entrance" bar so far, that almost receiving a "0" score on the entrance exam, means, come on down, you're in! You can be one of Sweden's "teachers of tomorrow", whilst essentially failing the entrance exam, and being unable to express yourself, in the Swedish language.

Scores as low as 0.05 earned for universitry entrance exams at 9 Swedish universities mean that Swedish-illiterate people are entering the Swedish teachers education, and graduating as "teachers", even though they are unable to take advantage of the education offered, because they can't understand the course instructions and content.

Brilliant! Sweden, being the well-oiled super-machine it is, is destined to press on into tomorrow, as the envy of the Western world at large.

To Sweden! May your future, be bright!

Posted by: wallace1837 13.Dec.2017, 07:54 PM

I would like to see a similar literacy study for Swedish politician. I mean, the prime minister is a welder (maybe a good one, or a bad one - hence reorientation)

Posted by: Svedallas 13.Dec.2017, 11:17 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 13.Dec.2017, 06:59 PM) *
Can't make this stuff up. Way to go Sweden!

Granted, the programs concerned may not all be considered highly important, but more to the point, this IS happening at unis in Sweden, for some time now.

Get your goolge translate ready: https://www.dn.se/debatt/lararstudenter-saknar-las-och-skrivfardigheter/

and

http://lararnastidning.se/mojligt-bli-larare-med-005-pa-hogskoleprovet/

You'd think a rich country like Sweden would consider re-thinking its stance on poor teacher wages and working conditions etc, before it would come to this. But this is Sweden, and Sweden is an arrogant diva.

It turns out that (an estimated) 20% (that's 1 in 5) of those meeting entrance elligibility critera for teachier studies in courses offered at 9 universities, if these "measures" even qualify as "criteria", do not have the language skills in Swedish, to be able to comprehend the course content required to become a teacher.

How can this happen, you wonder in shock and amazement? It's easy. Simply lower the "entrance" bar so far, that almost receiving a "0" score on the entrance exam, means, come on down, you're in! You can be one of Sweden's "teachers of tomorrow", whilst essentially failing the entrance exam, and being unable to express yourself, in the Swedish language.

Scores as low as 0.05 earned for universitry entrance exams at 9 Swedish universities mean that Swedish-illiterate people are entering the Swedish teachers education, and graduating as "teachers", even though they are unable to take advantage of the education offered, because they can't understand the course instructions and content.

Brilliant! Sweden, being the well-oiled super-machine it is, is destined to press on into tomorrow, as the envy of the Western world at large.

To Sweden! May your future, be bright!


PM didn't go to University.

But then again, Merkel has a PhD. And both, messed things up...

Posted by: rex 14.Dec.2017, 02:48 AM

Doesn't happen everywhere, only in a few places for some specific programs. Most of all, if the teacher can't show sufficient skills they will be promptly reported by the students and sacked by the principal. Nothing that hasn't happened before.

Posted by: Gjeebes 14.Dec.2017, 06:54 AM

"...Most of all, if the teacher can't show sufficient skills"

Haha, sure. But why waste tax payer money in this way, to pay to "educate" someone, who isn't fit for purpose.

Is there a word for "standards", in Swedish?

And REX, wasn't it you who once defended the utter incompetence of MV workers, stating that they really didn't need to know how to do their job properly, because they were not lawyers?

Long live LAGOM!

Posted by: Gjeebes 19.Dec.2017, 11:42 AM

Hmmm, https://www.thelocal.se/20171219/swedish-schools-under-pressure-to-recruit-77000-teachers

Perhaps Sweden then might try to take the creation of teachers more seriously, and have the system weed out the useless ones, instead of leaving that task to the children.

Posted by: Svedallas 19.Dec.2017, 07:27 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 19.Dec.2017, 11:42 AM) *
Hmmm, https://www.thelocal.se/20171219/swedish-schools-under-pressure-to-recruit-77000-teachers

Perhaps Sweden then might try to take the creation of teachers more seriously, and have the system weed out the useless ones, instead of leaving that task to the children.


One problem is no-one wants to be a teacher!

There are so many more attractive jobs out there...especially in the age of social media and startups. Also, the pay and benefits are not that great. And there are no added incentives to be a teacher, besides the holidays...

It will be no surprise that immigrants will dominate the teaching field in next few years.

Posted by: Gjeebes 19.Dec.2017, 07:32 PM

"One problem is no-one wants to be a teacher! "

Hmm, but someone needs to teach Sweden's little brats, no? Why is this not a problem elsewhere?

Another lump under the carpet that is Sweden, getting a little too overgrown.

Posted by: Svedallas 19.Dec.2017, 08:00 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 19.Dec.2017, 07:32 PM) *
"One problem is no-one wants to be a teacher! "

Hmm, but someone needs to teach Sweden's little brats, no? Why is this not a problem elsewhere?

Another lump under the carpet that is Sweden, getting a little too overgrown.


This has been a problem for many years.
It is just getting far worse. It is common sense to us, that if there is high birth rate, there needs to be more teachers in schools, but no, the politicans are just daft.

It starts with Dagis. Where you have to register your child at birth...

Posted by: Bsmith 20.Dec.2017, 12:39 AM

No one wants to be a cop, either.

Posted by: Svedallas 20.Dec.2017, 12:41 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 20.Dec.2017, 12:39 AM) *
No one wants to be a cop, either.


True! It is too dangerous now, especially with them being attacked at their homes...

And then there is this...

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/gPWqrq/regeringen-larare-ska-identifiera-radikaliserade-elever

Posted by: intrepidfox 20.Dec.2017, 12:50 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 20.Dec.2017, 12:41 PM) *
True! It is too dangerous now, especially with them being attacked at their homes...

And then there is this...

https://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/a/gPWqrq/regeringen-larare-ska-identifiera-radikaliserade-elever



They have guns here. In the UK they have trunctions and do a better job

Posted by: Svedallas 20.Dec.2017, 01:59 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 20.Dec.2017, 12:50 PM) *
They have guns here. In the UK they have trunctions and do a better job


Remember when we just had the batons.

Oh how peaceful things were...

Posted by: Gjeebes 22.Dec.2017, 10:29 AM

And then we have the obsessive Swedish ultra-Fembot educators, thinly veiling hard-left ideological propaganda, in Swedish universities, as a tool to tackle "gender-imbalance".

https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/12/20/professor-resists-departmental-attempt-add-female-author-class-reading-list-sake

Just couldn't make this shit up.

And then, to see for yourself, have a look at these new founded "gender equality" centres at the various Swedish unis. Just watch in awe as any sense of gender balance is completely absent (i.e. where are all the men?)

So, are these gender equity centres, or just breeding grounds for Sweden's infamous militant man-hating ultra-Fembots to spout their senseless propaganda?

Posted by: HelloAll 22.Dec.2017, 05:52 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 22.Dec.2017, 10:29 AM) *
Sweden's infamous militant man-hating ultra-Fembots to spout their senseless propaganda?

What on earth are you referring to?

Posted by: lysz 5.Jan.2018, 08:19 PM

And there's me planning to apply to have my British teaching qualifications recognised in Sweden ...

Posted by: Gjeebes 5.Jan.2018, 09:05 PM

Good luck.

"Sweden Has an Education Crisis, But It Wasn’t Caused by School Choice (2014)"

1) "Meanwhile, grade inflation has indeed become a major problem. Private schools have an incentive to give their pupils more lenient grades in order to attract more applicants. Competition for students has given public schools similar perverse incentives."

2) "...But in my view, the main culprit was the experiment with radically new pedagogical methods. The Swedish school system used to rely on traditional teaching methods. In recent decades, modern “individualist” or “progressive” pedagogic ideas took hold. The idea is that pupils should not be forced to learn using external incentives such as grades, and children should take responsibility for their own learning, driven by internal motivation. Rote memorization and repetition are viewed as old-fashioned relics. Teacher-led lectures have increasingly been replaced by group work and “research projects...”"

3) "Grades have been abolished below the sixth grade, and homework heavily reduced. According to TIMMS (a test similar to PISA), the average hours Swedish students spend doing mathematics homework declined from 2.1 hours per week in 1982 to 1.1 hours in the late 2000s. Despite criticism from teachers, the Swedish school board has ruled that pupils are allowed to have mobile phones and wear caps in class."

from: http://www.nationalreview.com/agenda/383304/sweden-has-education-crisis-it-wasnt-caused-school-choice-tino-sanandaji

Posted by: lysz 6.Jan.2018, 12:00 AM

Thanks. It looks like there may be more similarities with UK schools than I thought. No wonder there's a teacher shortage. Still, I bet a school in small town Värmland will still be better to work in than the ones in large towns here. I could easily be wrong about that though. Has anyone on here recently moved from teaching in UK to Sweden or vice versa? If so I would really appreciate any insights you are willing to share with me. Thank you

Posted by: Cheeseroller 6.Jan.2018, 07:47 AM

No homework in Finland, yet often top of OECD.

Posted by: Gjeebes 6.Jan.2018, 09:49 AM

"No homework in Finland, yet often top of OECD."

True. But they are actually expected to work when they are in class.

Possibly coming to Swedish classroom near you? Doubtful.

The biggest difference between Finnish education (which does also have problems) and Swedish "education", is that in Finland, the curriculum and pedagogy cannot be changed easily. And when changes ARE made, it is only after a very thorough and carefully planned out investigation. That, and teachers are highly respected pillars of society.

In Sweden, any fanciful notion is embraced immediately by the cult leaders, who are only looking to score political points. Changes are approved and made easily, without any proven or even slightly demonstrated merit, by unqualified people, who actually believe the master-apprentice relationship, is essentially an abuse of power.

And with these changes, Sweden should have actually done some homework, since most of the changes made, were long ago proven to be unfit for purpose...something the OECD has commented on, numerous times.

And then, when Swedes enter uni, it culminates in one serious celebration of mediocrity.

Posted by: Gjeebes 6.Jan.2018, 10:04 AM

Where I am from, if you can't skate, you just can't play ice hockey, since skating is required. It's that simple.

In Sweden, if you can't skate, but want to play ice hockey, they will remove the ice.

Keep in mind also, that the main goal of Swedish schools is to ensure everyone achieves the same result. It is not at all about seeing someone through to realise their full potential. It's essentially play time.

Slow learners therefore set the pace (you can't make a slow runner faster, but you can make a fast runner slower). Fast-learners remain unchallenged, with their true potential considered taboo and to be ignored, to keep the slow people happy.

It's worked out really well for Sweden, according to the OECD. Now I just pray they will somehow be shamed into allowing the OECD to have a look at their uni system (so far they have oddly chosen not to participate...I wonder why).

Posted by: Bsmith 6.Jan.2018, 02:17 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 5.Jan.2018, 09:05 PM) *
2) "...But in my view, the main culprit was the experiment with radically new pedagogical methods. The Swedish school system used to rely on traditional teaching methods. In recent decades, modern “individualist” or “progressive” pedagogic ideas took hold. The idea is that pupils should not be forced to learn using external incentives such as grades, and children should take responsibility for their own learning, driven by internal motivation. Rote memorization and repetition are viewed as old-fashioned relics. Teacher-led lectures have increasingly been replaced by group work and “research projects...”"

]


Methods which have stood the test of time are now deemed old fashioned, out of date, not relevant to today's needs, etc. Hard work, accountability, personal responsibility are not encouraged. The curriculum is dumbed down and the test scores are inflated so as to not be alarming. Most of the lessons are a homogenized, committee driven bunch of goo that is not inspiring and kids who cannot get on board and act up are often medicated to the point of being a zombie. This is true in the US as well as Sweden.

Posted by: Gjeebes 7.Jan.2018, 08:55 AM

Sure, and you have stated this before.

The difference I see though, is that the situation in the US is essentially the same as it ever was. In the early 90's, I saw high-schools advertising that they guarantee "your" child will be literate, if they attend "our" school. The implication being, that high-school education does not generally guarantee this, in the US.

I highly doubt any school in Sweden had to resort to making (let alone advertising) such statements, since, as in many other Western countries, literacy would be expected with any "education".

The "education" situation in Sweden has drastically declined from being amongst the top in the world, not so long ago.

Posted by: Gjeebes 9.Jan.2018, 08:08 AM

I would encourage anyone who is interested in the quality of Swedish education, to have a read through this series: https://improvingteaching.co.uk/2016/09/12/education-in-sweden-collapsing-results-in-swedish-schools/

As I've little time now, I will throw this out there for now, and revisit this later.

1) https://improvingteaching.co.uk/2016/09/16/education-in-sweden-false-ideas-weak-training-limited-support/

"False ideas -

Per Kornhall cites research which notes the School Inspectorate criticised high-performing schools in the Nineties for being ‘too knowledge-focused’ (Skolvärlden (Swedish)). What has been promoted instead? Sverigesradio devoted an episode of ‘Psykobabblarna’ to ‘Kommunikoligi’."

This is but one of many illuminating gems revealed in this series.

Posted by: lysz 9.Jan.2018, 11:19 PM

Very interesting, thank you for the link smile.gif

Posted by: Gjeebes 10.Jan.2018, 11:23 AM

Interesting but also very saddening.

It seems Sweden has traded "serious education" for avoidance of anyone ever having to "suffer" having "hurt-feelings".

In essence, a poorly performing student, in "Swed-logic" (read: anti-logical), can never be told this, can never be properly and fairly evaluated, as it might hurt their feelings.

They really know how to train tomorrow's future how to handle "reality".

Actually, much of the hard-left ideology, uses the "no one should ever have their feelings hurt" shtick as the keystone argument for their policies.

Pretty soon saying ANYTHING negative, about ANYTHING, will be marked as "hate-crime".

Posted by: Gjeebes 10.Jan.2018, 01:34 PM

https://improvingteaching.co.uk/2016/09/14/education-in-sweden-chaotic-behaviour-in-the-classroom/

"This is Jasmin Andersson’s summary of her first week in her second training placement:

- The hardest thing has been the work environment in the classroom.

Many students became very upset, angry or ‘offended’ when I asked them to put down their screens and mobiles, take their bags off the tables, stop talking with each other and take their headphones from their ears. A pupil I asked to close down his computer or go out answered: ‘It’s not my fault that my match hasn’t finished’ and another who I asked to take out his earphones answered ‘Why do you care? I get to do what I want’. The attitude is that the work environment, listening to the teacher and each other and showing respect aren’t important... -"

"Behaviour seems to obstruct learning, for a large part of the day, in a large number of Swedish classrooms. A decline in authority, a fixation on students feelings and a lack of working examples lead to a decline in expectations. School leaders and national policy alike seem to need revision to address these challenges."

Posted by: Gjeebes 10.Jan.2018, 01:51 PM

https://improvingteaching.co.uk/2016/09/15/education-in-sweden-constricted-curriculum-problematic-pedagogy/

"Time is one problem, but even within that time, the teacher’s role has been reimagined radically. Swedish schools have adopted an “extreme constructivist pedagogy”, in Per Kornhall‘s words. This can best be summarised by discussing a book published by Professor Jonas Linderoth in August, who set out to “apologise for the pedagogical ideas of the Nineties”. Linderoth’s guilt is visceral, as he describes the anti-knowledge, anti-teaching messages he spread as a young academic:"

Another Swedish "professional-idiot" of the same calibre as "Prof." Jonas Linderoth, is "Prof." Eva Lundgren. See her in all her glory in "Gender Wars" (see also part 2, well worth it): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfYtOITj9QA (this high quality documentary was "banned" in Sweden, shortly after its release.)

And back to this educational series,

- "Linderoth describes the reforms of the Nineties having “changed the story on what a good teacher is” and undermined the existing teaching corps:".

- The timeless forms of teaching in which those who are able to do something tell others so that they can too came to be associated with abuse of power and iron discipline. Instead, the good teacher should support students’ independent learning, classroom work should derive from students’ natural motivation, boundaries between subjects should be dissolved and the school’s physical space should be be designed to support students’ own work rather than teachers’ story-telling. -”

Sweden operates in many ways on the assumption that life is some kind of fairy-tale.

Thomas Quick, the infamous "serial-killer", that wasn't, was also at one point, the subject of a brave new psychology...only available in Sweden.

Posted by: lysz 10.Jan.2018, 06:37 PM

It certainly goes towards explaining the teacher shortage in Sweden. It sounds to have a number of similarities with UK a few years ago. Many of them were the reason I left the teaching profession in England. We've now started bringing back a lot of the stuff that was kicked out, perhaps Sweden will do the same over time. I heard a story yesterday of a local child who got fed up during lessons so climbed on the roof, vaulted the fence and disappeared into the park ... so we clearly have some way to go before successfully redressing balance!

Posted by: Gjeebes 10.Jan.2018, 07:08 PM

"The timeless forms of teaching in which those who are able to do something tell others so that they can too came to be associated with abuse of power and iron discipline."

It's in the uni's too. My attention was first brought to the notion that the master/apprentice relationship is by its mere virtue abusive, as it was being "pushed" at an advanced "pedagogic" course for PIs, with a focus on grad students.

Why as a chemist, I was taking this course from a "history" researcher, is beyond me, but she was speechless when I commented that not only is this notion of "abuse" utter bullshit, but that I was in fact obliged to ensure any "apprentice" has proper training in theory and practice, before letting them loose in the lab.

So, what is that then, I wonder, was she thinking? Institutionalised abuse?

Sweden is a joke to me!

I will be quite surprised if it ever comes back to Sweden. The education sector is not the only victim of this "swedishness" (the whole country thrives on this type of non-sense). And the current government, and all the players for the next one, are amateur at best.

Posted by: Gjeebes 15.Jan.2018, 11:19 AM

QUOTE (HelloAll @ 22.Dec.2017, 05:52 PM) *
What on earth are you referring to?


I am referring to, for example, this:



Yes, hen, a highly-educated universitetslektor, is heavily involved with ""Gender studies" [that] attempt to "clarify" the complexity underlying why people become the women and men that they are..."

And, oddly, they don't seem to have any need for help from men, or to give men a voice, in any supposed "discussion" and "clarification" of "why people become the women and men that they are".

"Gender" studies sans men...hmmm, I just have wonder what their narrative could possibly embrace...

[hint: The Gender War (in Sweden) - Könskriget - (English subs), https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PfYtOITj9QA]

Many "departments" like this at Unis in Sweden, run entirely by "women" (disclaimer: yes, I dangerously use the word "women", as I simply cannot keep up with all those new "flavour of the week" gender designations that are being pumped out ad infinitum, that apparently supersede the two hateful biological designations, originally discovered, in nature).

Posted by: Gjeebes 19.Dec.2018, 06:17 PM

This could be popular again...

Posted by: ankur jha 22.Dec.2018, 11:46 AM

Ten years of compulsory schooling, but most students continue to the three-year upper secondary school. Around one-third go on to higher education at universities and colleges throughout Sweden

Posted by: Bsmith 22.Dec.2018, 12:29 PM

And then become truck drivers.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Dec.2018, 02:48 PM

The popular "Too many chiefs and not enough Indians" syndrome...

Posted by: BlackfDes 22.Dec.2018, 10:02 PM

What a bizarre and extended rant from the kvetching curmudgeon, Gjeebes!

After reading this "thread" I was trying to picture the person who started it, Gjeebes, and it reminded me of some fields I saw in Australia which were absolutely covered in bullshit and horseshit. That shit was all over the place like it had spewed forth out of some enormously gaping pipehole.

Since the origin of the "thread" is Gjeebes, its not really that surprising because so many bizarre bullshit threads full of horseshit spew out of the kvetching curmudgeon's enormous gaping pipehole.

The question then: is it his mouth, or his arse?

Posted by: Bsmith 22.Dec.2018, 11:11 PM

Some call it shit, others fertilizer.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Dec.2018, 12:13 AM

Shit and Trolls, are synonymous!!!

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