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How to make Sweden more attractive to immigrants

With so many other nations competing

Saywhatwhat
post 30.Jan.2019, 08:40 PM
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QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 30.Jan.2019, 08:00 PM) *
The best thing to make Sweden an actually attractive destination would be to get rid of "lagom" and Jante's law.Maybe start to hold people responsible/accountabl ... (show full quote)



The problem with what you describe, however much I agree with you, is that those are qualities that unfortunately make Sweden Sweden
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Bsmith
post 31.Jan.2019, 11:43 AM
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The main problem with immigration is Sweden is the total lack of any resemblance of a plan. Way too many, way too fast, no adequate housing, lack of jobs and no oversight as to the quality of the immigrants which has resulted in higher crime, and increased social welfare. No wonder the native Swedes are unhappy.
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Gjeebes
post 1.Feb.2019, 06:16 PM
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"No wonder the native Swedes are unhappy."

They saw the wall they hit, miles before arriving at it, head first, without changing course.

There was enormous public support for the stupidity that ensued as the utterly predictable outcome of the fanatical sympathy that brought on "open arms-open borders". Looked down their noses at all who did not follow their mighty virtuous example.

If they are unhappy, they can simply blame themselves and their (predictably) terrible choices, resulting from their obsession with being more virtuous than thou.

The outcome was text-book predictable; mere common sense could have been enough.

Looks good on them, having to finally face the harsh realities of PC madness. An extreme cautionary tale for all.

Thank you Sweden, you glorious Juggernaut, for "going-for-it" in the name of virtue, so we wouldn't have to.
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Bsmith
post 1.Feb.2019, 06:45 PM
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I can only hope that the US takes note of the mess that Sweden has become and takes appropriate measures...but I don't have much hope of that. Common sense is not all that common.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 1.Feb.2019, 07:14 PM
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Common sense dictates that you allow a large number of people that need assistance with their life into your country by promising them a better lifestyle paid for by the government that you represent thereby guaranteeing your reelection by votes given to you by the recipients of what you promised them...

Naturally this largess will be paid for by the wealthy natives of that country...

This is called equalization of wealth by the Liberals!!!

No matter who and where you are...Come and get it!!! rolleyes.gif
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Bsmith
post 1.Feb.2019, 08:32 PM
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And remember, any money the government gives you, it took from someone else.
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Saywhatwhat
post 2.Feb.2019, 11:40 AM
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Thing is... America doesn’t have this cradle to grave security net like Sweden. If refugees/ immigrants come to the states, it’s sink or swim. That is the known system.

Sweden allows people, especially the natives, to be a drain on the system.

What you fail to realize, in America, is that illegal immigrants are working, albeit illegally, and spending their money in the us exonomy. That is a good thing.

People like you, bsmith and Gamla, seem to think our US tax money goes towards a welfare state when in reality a majority of it goes to old people like yourselves. The affordable care act is about 2% if even of our taxes.



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Saywhatwhat
post 2.Feb.2019, 11:43 AM
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But please do tell how immigrants are bad for an economy... history has proven otherwise.

What has also been proven is that problems aren’t caused by immigrants but by those and countries that do not accept them.
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Bsmith
post 2.Feb.2019, 12:43 PM
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Libs keep clamoring that we need immigrants to provide the cheap labor and do the jobs that the natives won't do. First off, that is demeaning and terribly racist and secondly there is a tremendous cost to this so called cheap labor. In the US, here are some of the things that an immigrant (even illegal) is eligible for:

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an income tax return, he gets an "earned income credit"
of up to $3,200 free.
Also...
1- He qualifies for Section-8 housing and subsidized rent;
2- He qualifies for food stamps;
3- He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care;
4- His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school;
5- He requires bilingual teachers and books;
6- He qualifies for relief from high energy bills;
7- If they are, or become aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI;
8- Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare (All of this at taxpayer's {our} expense);
9- He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowner’s insurance;
10- Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material;
11- He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits;
12- Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his;
13- The American taxpayers also pays for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.
14- Free Child Care (i.e., free babysitting from 6 AM – 6 PM
15- Free ‘mommy makeovers’ after having their children ( includes: tummy tuck and breast lift)
Cheap labor? Yeah right!

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Uncle Fred
post 2.Feb.2019, 01:35 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Feb.2019, 12:43 PM) *
Libs keep clamoring that we need immigrants to provide the cheap labor and do the jobs that the natives won't do. First off, that is demeaning and terribly racist and sec ... (show full quote)

Isn't that Sweden you are referring too.
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intrepidfox
post 2.Feb.2019, 02:15 PM
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How to make Sweden more attractive to immigrants

Why should they? Better to have the courses and education for the people that live here
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nativeswedishengineer
post 2.Feb.2019, 02:23 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 1.Feb.2019, 06:45 PM) *
I can only hope that the US takes note of the mess that Sweden has become and takes appropriate measures...but I don't have much hope of that. Common sense is not all that common.


Your country was the one that invented modern import of plantation slaves. It was named H-1B and L-1.
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Saywhatwhat
post 2.Feb.2019, 02:24 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Feb.2019, 12:43 PM) *
Libs keep clamoring that we need immigrants to provide the cheap labor and do the jobs that the natives won't do. First off, that is demeaning and terribly racist and sec ... (show full quote)



Illegal immigrants pay about 11 billion tax dollars a year. These people pay into a system while rarely benefitting from social securities. They will use a fake number to get work and be paid, but will rarely use that to obtain benefits... they don’t want to reveal their illegal status.

You are right they QUALIFY for benefits which they do not take. They will rarely take treatment for medical conditions other than an emergency room which they pay for.

Lol the one about the Spanish signage is hilarious... what about all the legal immigrants?????? What about all the polish, Russia, Chinese, Korean, etc. signs and translations do you see in major cities? Boo hoo.

I’d rather see the tax money going to military, and 4 billion of trumps requested 5.7 for a wall, be spent on affordable housing, schools, and hospitals. Hell, while we’re at it, also recognize autonomous power within state governments.




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nativeswedishengineer
post 2.Feb.2019, 02:33 PM
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QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 2.Feb.2019, 02:24 PM) *
Illegal immigrants pay about 11 billion tax dollars a year. These people pay into a system while rarely benefitting from social securities. They will use a fake number to get ... (show full quote)


And how much more tax revenue would be generated if corporations had to pay more than minimum wage to get qualified labour? How much wellfare money is spend due to native workers beeing displaced by illegal immigrants?
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Bsmith
post 2.Feb.2019, 02:34 PM
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QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 2.Feb.2019, 01:35 PM) *
Isn't that Sweden you are referring too.



There are parallels.
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