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Is Sweden an Apartheid State?

De Facto and De jure any difference?

krigeren
post 28.Feb.2010, 07:40 PM
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Having lived in Scandinavia for a total of 9 years, and having worked in all three countries. I will say that xenophobia and downright racism exists in all three countries and is alive and well in Norway, Denmark, and Sweden.

Sweden in particular has an especially dark form of racism which is primarily about keeping appearances however, beneath a thin veneer of apparent tolerance racism and discrimination runs deep and systematic here.

Therefore I beleive Sweden is an Apartheid State while not de facto, on a daily basis it has similar consequences to minorities and immigrants.

The points I am making are painfully obvious when we look at the board of directors of top companies, high ranking power within government, and even when we look at the middle management in this country.

I need to better understand the laws here and what legal recourse those who are facing discrimination have. Any tips and resources will be helpful.

I beleive all immigrants and minorities here in Sweden need to rally together to fight for their share of the power in this country. Until we have seats at every level of government, every level of business, we will not truly be able to set our own course in this country with the same certainty of a native and ethnic Swede. '

I do not want to see a quota system here but the doors are so closed for so many foreigners that it is difficult to see what other options there are here.

You may not agree with me, that is fine, dont waste my time with a big flame war. However, if you have something to contribute then please do so and its appreciated.
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Furu
post 28.Feb.2010, 07:59 PM
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So

1. We are allowed in the country
2. Have access to free health care
3. Have access to free education at University
4. Children are allowed free schooling
5. Get subsidized child care
6. Allowed free access to SFI
7. Subsidized Dental care
8. Cap on Prescription Drugs

Not able to find employment because of lack of language skills makes the country Racist against foreigners.

Are you aware that Sweden took more refugees than USA during Iraq war, now they have to let those refugees become Member of Parliament and we will consider that as equality.
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krigeren
post 28.Feb.2010, 08:08 PM
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QUOTE (Furu @ 28.Feb.2010, 07:59 PM) *
So1. We are allowed in the country2. Have access to free health care3. Have access to free education at University4. Children are allowed free schooling5. Get subsidized child ... (show full quote)


First its important to point out that as you stated and wrongly inferred regarding my post "Not able to find employment because of lack of language skills makes the country Racist against foreigners." that is only the tip of the iceberg and goes much deeper than that. Most pointedly, we, and I mean minorities and immigrants do not share equal power in this country.

Second. The six points you raise are afforded to everyone here. However, equality goes far beyond those 6 points. Equality extends to equal shares of police officers, fire fighters, judges, and politicians being minorities and immigrants. It means an equal share of minorities and immigrants serving on boards within large corporate and public organizations.

A right delayed is a right denied and under that pretext Sweden if full of exactly that form of discrimination.

Like I said before I was not interested in starting a flame war, you apparently are, good for you. I am sure there are other threads you can actually contribute to...go there.
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Bender B Rodriquez
post 28.Feb.2010, 08:12 PM
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I agree that Sweden is an extremely segregated country, however, to say that it is due to racism is an oversimplification.
Sweden is simply not a meritocracy. Of course merit and qualifications count, but unless you have the right connections you will never be able to compete truly. Combine this with the Swedish conformity and fear of change and you get a segregated society.
It is not discrimination based on skin colour or nationality; it is discrimination based on who you went to school with, which area you grew up, which university you attended, etc. It is a matter of class.
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Furu
post 28.Feb.2010, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE (krigeren @ 28.Feb.2010, 08:08 PM) *
First its important to point out that as you stated and wrongly inferred regarding my post "Not able to find employment because of lack of language skills makes the count ... (show full quote)


Your posts; present and past state you want the respondents to agree to your foundational theory which is infact based on non rational comments.
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mc87
post 28.Feb.2010, 08:30 PM
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You have my attention. I am curious on a couple of points:-
  • How do you define equality? It appears as if you consider it to be, or include, affirmative action?
  • What is your underlying solution? Is it the formation of a political party?
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Tall swede
post 28.Feb.2010, 08:43 PM
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To be a chairman in large corporations and be a member of parliment you need a great education (masters degree in your field, especially if you are in corporations. In the riksdag you only have to be an brown nosed asshole)
You also need a great understanding of swedish, swedish culture (thats because you have to interact with sweden. You cannot argue that this is discrimination) swedish laws and regulations to be successful. This usually requires a long time spent i sweden. To be born in this country is of course a head start when it comes to understand a society. This is also something you cant argue that employers and voters should disregard.

Immigrants usually come here later when they are older. This means that they need to learn a new language and a new culture. Its hard to reach the skill of a born and bred swede if they have a 25 year head start.

To reach the important positions you need relevant experience of a lifetime to compete. And what could be more relevant than to have lived your entire life here? Diffrent countries have diffrent cultures. This is a fact. Live with it.
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kaze
post 28.Feb.2010, 08:57 PM
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Why should we have equal rights? We're foreigners, not Swedes. No country in the world gives equal rights to foreigners. The EU is fixing this to a large degree but still, its only right and just that the country whose job it is to look after their people looks after their people first and foremost.
To say Sweden has apartheid is insulting to those who actually lived under such systems.
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krigeren
post 28.Feb.2010, 08:58 PM
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QUOTE (Tall swede @ 28.Feb.2010, 08:43 PM) *
This is a fact. Live with it.

Fact is only what we accept to be true. I nor many other immigrants are willing to accept it. Its us versus people like you. You will lose in the long run.
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Tall swede
post 28.Feb.2010, 09:09 PM
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Why do you come here of you expect (and want!) a war?
And what right do you have to drag sweden and swedes in to your war, when they let you come here?
And what will i lose? My country? My culture? My rights? If any of these, why do you want to take if from me?
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mc87
post 28.Feb.2010, 09:16 PM
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QUOTE (Tall swede @ 28.Feb.2010, 09:09 PM) *
Why do you come here of you expect (and want!) a war?

what war?
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Tall swede
post 28.Feb.2010, 09:24 PM
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"Its us versus people like you. You will lose in the long run."
It may not be a declaration of war, but it is not a peace offer...
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Furu
post 28.Feb.2010, 09:28 PM
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I think Sweden is more than generous in just providing free University education regardless of the persons origin.
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Furu
post 28.Feb.2010, 09:32 PM
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QUOTE (kaze @ 28.Feb.2010, 08:57 PM) *
Why should we have equal rights? We're foreigners, not Swedes. No country in the world gives equal rights to foreigners. The EU is fixing this to a large degree but still, ... (show full quote)

This applies to any country in the world. The foreigner must become a part of the system rather trying to change the system.
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mc87
post 28.Feb.2010, 09:41 PM
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QUOTE (Furu @ 28.Feb.2010, 09:32 PM) *
The foreigner must become a part of the system rather trying to change the system.


I understand your point. However at what stage has the poster argued that the "immigrants" need to change the system? I intepret the post to mean that immigrants ought to gain more power in order to have more opportunities to integrate, and become apart of Swedish society (so to speak)...
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