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Posted by: intrepidfox 23.Mar.2018, 05:07 PM

A nice discussion.

The earth is warming up and yes humans are helping but do not forget that we are still coming from an iceage. We will have a tropical climate and then we will have glaciars again.

I wish Trow was here to explain (haha) but i do not believe this Global warming. It´s political. Mother nature will fix it in the end as she has done for billions of years

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 23.Mar.2018, 05:42 PM

It is a good discussion.

My first question on the whole thing, I haven’t bothered to research yet, is what we’re the conditions that led up to the previous ice age?
Does anyone know?

Maybe we are interfering even more by trying to stop “global warming”

Without a doubt I think humans should try to rely on renewable energy sources just for the longevity of the species. And I think we are destroying a lot of what the world has to offer. Or had to offer

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Mar.2018, 09:18 PM

The Earth has existed for quite a while now, during its existence it has been a fireball to a certain extent and for millions of years, it was covered with ice, an ice ball if you will...Those are the extremes and mankind had not yet evolved to witness that, or be exterminated by it!!!

What we have now is a normal situation that the politicians want to use to control things, I believe that fossil fuels are still viable...

Some claim the Earth's orbit is elliptical, and we are in a close to the Sun mode, there are a lot of stories and put together they are confusing...

What I enjoy reading is the weather report histories, if you look back the old records are just the same or hotter/colder, etc., than they are now...

I am waiting for the magnetic field shifting stories to become more in the news, the climate change ones are played out...

In New York City we have just had four major snowstorms in three weeks, I guess Mother Nature thought we were too warm and decided to cool us down...Or not!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 23.Mar.2018, 09:29 PM

Magnetic field shift... do tell!

Yes new oil is being found but if there is a limit. So why not also expand on possibilities with renewable energy. I drive a hybrid and think it is so awesome to go about 70 miles on a gallon!

Posted by: Bsmith 23.Mar.2018, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 23.Mar.2018, 04:07 PM) *
Mother nature will fix it in the end as she has done for billions of years


Mother Earth may fix it by shedding that invasive species called man.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 23.Mar.2018, 09:34 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 23.Mar.2018, 09:31 PM) *
Mother Earth may fix it by shedding that invasive species called man.


Touché

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Mar.2018, 10:26 PM

No...Not Her, we will do it to ourselves!!!

Posted by: Bsmith 23.Mar.2018, 11:09 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 23.Mar.2018, 09:29 PM) *
I drive a hybrid and think it is so awesome to go about 70 miles on a gallon!



What vehicle do you have that gets 70 mpg???

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 24.Mar.2018, 08:08 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 23.Mar.2018, 11:09 PM) *
What vehicle do you have that gets 70 mpg???



Sorry that wasn’t fully true. I have an ioniq and it’s avg as of now is 56 mpg. It definitely gets 70 and above sometimes! But not the avg.

It was more to express how renewable energy is a good direction and that electric/ hybrid cars rock!

If I was super rich I would without a doubt buy a Tesla

Posted by: Bsmith 24.Mar.2018, 11:20 AM

Is yours the plug in?

Our aging Prius with 105K miles has served us well but the avg mpg has dropped to the high 40s. Probably going to drive that sucker til the wheels fall off.

Posted by: intrepidfox 24.Mar.2018, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 23.Mar.2018, 09:31 PM) *
Mother Earth may fix it by shedding that invasive species called man.


Man will destroy themselves in the end with their continous wars

Posted by: Uncle Fred 24.Mar.2018, 02:49 PM

Global warming is caused by Swedish barbeques.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Mar.2018, 03:16 PM

The mention of Tesla has caused me to post this article...

It would seem that his batteries will have more impact than his cars...

Just imagine his cars being charged by his battery power plants...

That means no fossil fuel would be needed...

So maybe the future is closer than we thought!!!

https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-energy-victoria-australia-powerpack-battery-project/

Posted by: gsurya 26.Mar.2018, 06:32 AM

I am visiting Bombay for a couple of weeks, and the temperature yesterday was 41C, the highest ever recorded at this time in March.

A satellite town recorded 45C already now. Usually it does that in May-June for a few days. Now its many more days and getting worse.

So the unexpected cold spells in Sweden, may mean killer weather in other parts in the world - thats all part of 'global warming'.

On electric/hybrid cars - I do agree the battery waste/disposal nightmare will maybe strip the gains of fossil fuel savings.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Aug.2018, 03:38 PM

What fuel will be "burned" to create the electricity needed to charge all those batteries???

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 17.Aug.2018, 04:57 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 17.Aug.2018, 04:38 PM) *
What fuel will be "burned" to create the electricity needed to charge all those batteries???



I think as gsurya said it's more about waste and the disposal of batteries, also the creation of them... Batteries could be charged by pedaling a bike... I guess you would burn calories

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Aug.2018, 05:09 PM

I have never seen a study where all the cars are electric worldwide and the electricity creating method/cost used to charge their batteries on a scale necessary to do so was explained...

Have you???

Posted by: Bsmith 17.Aug.2018, 09:42 PM

Electricity is not an energy source. It has to be generated by burning fossil fuel or by nuclear reaction. The only true non polluting energy sources are solar, wind, geothermal and water movement...and to harvest these, energy must be created to manufacture machines capable of doing so.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Aug.2018, 09:46 PM

The internal combustion engine will disappear when all the easy to get fossil fuels are gone...Until then we can only speculate...

Think ethanol!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 18.Aug.2018, 07:25 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 17.Aug.2018, 10:42 PM) *
Electricity is not an energy source. It has to be generated by burning fossil fuel or by nuclear reaction. The only true non polluting energy sources are solar, wind, geothermal and water movement...and to harvest these, energy must be created to manufacture machines capable of doing so.



Oh really? So when I get a static shock is that from fossil fuel or nuclear reaction?

Posted by: Bsmith 18.Aug.2018, 11:11 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 18.Aug.2018, 06:25 AM) *
Oh really? So when I get a static shock is that from fossil fuel or nuclear reaction?


If you can power a car off static electricity I will be the first in line to buy it.

Posted by: Bsmith 18.Aug.2018, 11:13 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 17.Aug.2018, 08:46 PM) *
The internal combustion engine will disappear when all the easy to get fossil fuels are gone...Until then we can only speculate...

Think ethanol!!!



Ethanol is a political scam to placate wealthy corn farmers. It takes as much if not more energy to produce the ethanol than you get out of it.

Posted by: Gjeebes 18.Aug.2018, 11:42 AM

Corn ethanol is wet. Wet fuels don't perform well and must be dried. Drying the fuel, costs much more in E than the fuel itself contains.

It's like spending 135$, to get 72$ (where $ = $). Or, "Gamla-logic" as it is AFKA.

I am surprised this isn't more well known after DubJa famously supported Yankee corn farmers without understanding what the fuck he was doing.

Posted by: john.boy 18.Aug.2018, 01:52 PM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 26.Mar.2018, 07:32 AM) *
thats all part of 'global warming'.

No, it's called Climate, and Climate has been changing for 4.5 Billion Years!

Should we not be more concerned that in a few billion years the Sun will super-nova, I don't remember the hippy lefty bunny hugging environmentalists introducing a tax for that yet?

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 18.Aug.2018, 02:03 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 18.Aug.2018, 12:11 PM) *
If you can power a car off static electricity I will be the first in line to buy it.


It would be an inefficient way to do so but I'm sure it can happen. You said earlier that electricity can only be generated by burning fossil fuel or nuclear reaction... You are wrong.

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 18.Aug.2018, 12:42 PM) *
I am surprised this isn't more well known after DubJa famously supported Yankee corn farmers without understanding what the fuck he was doing.



Pretty sure he did know what he was doing. He wanted to help corn farmers so he sold the idea.

This could be similar to the food pyramid that was created to support wheat farmers but sold under the guise of health.

Posted by: Bsmith 18.Aug.2018, 02:43 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 18.Aug.2018, 02:03 PM) *
It would be an inefficient way to do so but I'm sure it can happen. You said earlier that electricity can only be generated by burning fossil fuel or nuclear reaction... You are wrong.


You're right. I should have said usable electricity has to be generated. Natural electricity such as lightning and static electricity has not been successfully harnessed as of yet.

Posted by: intrepidfox 18.Aug.2018, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 18.Aug.2018, 12:52 PM) *
No, it's called Climate, and Climate has been changing for 4.5 Billion Years!

Should we not be more concerned that in a few billion years the Sun will super-nova, I don't remember the hippy lefty bunny hugging environmentalists introducing a tax for that yet?



Don´t tell the Miljöpartiet. They will take you seriously

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 18.Aug.2018, 04:55 PM

"Ethanol is a political scam to placate wealthy corn farmers. It takes as much if not more energy to produce the ethanol than you get out of it."

I was being facetious when I mentioned ethanol, until oil is gone the internal combustion engine is the cheapest way to go...

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