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Posted by: Norge 22.Jan.2006, 10:07 PM

I am thinking of coming to Swden to study and would like to know if any racism exists, especially towards the english, also if any Swedish people read this do you like the English?

Basically, would I be welcome in Sweden?

Posted by: Beth 22.Jan.2006, 10:16 PM

you should be ok so long as no one you meet has read any of the posts of british people on this forum laugh.gif

oh...and just be sure you don't throw herring at anyone and should you happen to find a baleine floating in skärgården..don't kill it... :twisted:

Posted by: Braderunner Rennuredarb 22.Jan.2006, 10:17 PM

Umm...they are not hanging brits in the street, if that what you mean

You probably have nothing to worry about...

Posted by: Beth 22.Jan.2006, 10:18 PM

well, the full impact of the thames whale abuse hasn't been fully realized 8)

Posted by: Aneud 22.Jan.2006, 10:25 PM

:wink: Now that's a tad on the snobbish side, being English is a race now!

Posted by: Demetrio Barros 22.Jan.2006, 11:19 PM

Myself coming from London. All Ican say is Gooooood Luck and dont meet Espen.

Posted by: Beth 22.Jan.2006, 11:21 PM

can't blame the norwegians for everything

Posted by: Cyberfluff 22.Jan.2006, 11:30 PM

We can try!

Posted by: Brave New World 22.Jan.2006, 11:43 PM

ENGAL
Don't forget to take a stock of condoms with you. They are expensive here and you will surely use them very often.Swedish women are the best teachers you can get here,
Beware of chlamydia!!!

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 12:05 AM

WHAT!!!!!!!!!!!!

you mean Sweden is not that bad after all ????????

My IKEA table is collapsing as I speak

Posted by: Beth 23.Jan.2006, 12:12 AM

blame espen :twisted:

Posted by: Truly 23.Jan.2006, 12:13 AM

QUOTE (Engal)
I am thinking of coming to Swden to study and would like to know if any racism exists, especially towards the english, also if any Swedish people read this do you like the English?

Basically, would I be welcome in Sweden?


YOu are very welcom e to the lovely country Sweden ,Sure there are idiots everywhere,
but most swedes are very normal,like me and we are living in a society of many nationalities, Would be intrested to know where you will live ?

Posted by: Beth 23.Jan.2006, 12:19 AM

QUOTE (Truly)
YOu are very welcom e to the lovely country Sweden ,


truly, isn't it YOUR lovely country you are welcoming engal to?
i think we all think swedes would welcome brits to their country.
you swedes are kind and considerate people, eller hur?

Posted by: Truly 23.Jan.2006, 02:13 AM

QUOTE (Truly)
YOu are very welcom e to the lovely country Sweden ,Sure there are idiots everywhere,
but most swedes are very normal,like me and we are living in a society of many nationalities, Would be intrested to know where you will live ?


Already speaking Swedish? Good start, but I think we are pretty good at your language ,start in school at the age of 8. And we also like especially english speaking people , and the funny swedish/english accents when you learn our (weird) language . Yes indeed I beleive most of us are friendly to a mix of cultures. Ofcourse the racism of today is about diffrent reasons;Old people that grew up with only swedes, and fear everything unfamiliar,age, whats going on in the world, fear of terrorism,all kinds. However generally speaking I think you will feel welcome.
Remember this: Sometimes I hear from foreigners that they see a huge diffrence between swedes and for instance americans , we might be sort of stiff ,at first I hear that we are dressed in armour and hard to get (under the skin )yet soft and friendly. Doesnt neccesary means that we are hostile to foreigners
Malmö citizen and Swede.smile.gif

Posted by: Hockeyf 23.Jan.2006, 02:20 AM

There are racists in Sweden especially in the southern part.

Posted by: Cyberfluff 23.Jan.2006, 03:11 AM

QUOTE (Beth)
blame espen :twisted:


Yeah, Norwegians come by when you aren't looking and loosen all the pieces.

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 03:12 AM

QUOTE (Truly)
Malmö citizen and Swede.smile.gif


wait aren't you like from the country of skåne??? :

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Sorry

Anyway I think as being in American in Germany it is really truly important to speak the language as fast and well as possible. I mean the Swedes will love to practice Swedish with you (as the Germans do here) but you will only know half of what is going on and will feel a bit on the outside otherwise Ängel (if I can swedify your name).

And True I know Malmö and Skåne always get a bum press but i really liked Skåne, I met nothing but friendly people and beautiful landscape. The skånskarna (if that is what they are called) were never cold to me, even though we were in malmö c a large train station (large for Swedes anyway) the cashier was nice to tell me and my brother all about Skåne and the region. I would like to go to the Österlen the next time I am there, have been until now around Malmö/Lund. If I ever move to sweden I would like to move to Skåne, because it is not so far from Berlin and Copenhagen and is a bit more "European" than the rest of Sweden.

Posted by: Truly 23.Jan.2006, 05:09 AM

QUOTE (Aaron_in_berlin)
wait aren't you like from the country of skåne??? :

[img]http://www.skane.goldenklubben.se/bilder/flagga.gif[/img]

Sorry

Anyway I think as being in American in Germany it is really truly important to speak the language as fast and well as possible. I mean the Swedes will love to practice Swedish with you (as the Germans do here) but you will only know half of what is going on and will feel a bit on the outside otherwise Ängel (if I can swedify your name).

And True I know Malmö and Skåne always get a bum press but i really liked Skåne, I met nothing but friendly people and beautiful landscape. The skånskarna (if that is what they are called) were never cold to me, even though we were in malmö c a large train station (large for Swedes anyway) the cashier was nice to tell me and my brother all about Skåne and the region. I would like to go to the Österlen the next time I am there, have been until now around Malmö/Lund. If I ever move to sweden I would like to move to Skåne, because it is not so far from Berlin and Copenhagen and is a bit more "European" than the rest of Sweden.


Sorry to hear someone has (racial predjudice) against us , skåningarna,
Maybe im too old to see that since i already passed age of studies and am not out there in the schools, but I do meet people from all parts of the world from the church I attend to.
And what i hear from them there isnt racism going on.
I think this excist everywhere in the country and was imaging that the larger sity we live in the more open we are..However SKåningar is sort of outsiders .Stockholmers vs Skåningar , Gothenburgers vs Stockholmers always heard about how we argue with oneanother within the country. We are called;" half danish" cause of the broad accent /dialect some of us have and near close to Denmark, about 25 min by train.The larger Cities as the 3 of us are, we have the wellknown suburbs and we Malmnö have Rosengård-Rosengarden where you see nothing but people from othere countries and hear lots of incidents and probably gangfights,By the way , The flag red and yellow I never had seen before until "Sånepartiet,"party of Skåne started to use it as a symbol of the party which was unfortunatele cause just as the swedish flag became a symbol of hatred and racism the flag of Skåne did too. And the party was only about politics of immigations and judgmental issues of the immigrants , this was in the 80`s and now I think people forgot about them, mostly they had voters from the age of 60 and up.
Anyway I think Im not the right one to speak since im not studying or am a part of the big flood and crowd of people that comes to universities,and society . and ofcourse you guys that your self are immigrants or visitors. But I am ashamed evry time I see any kind of racial predjudice issues. Please ,"engla" dont get scared away from this no matter what people say. Come and judge for your self.! Österlen is beautiful so go there and its true that we are in the midst of and close to meet other European countries , many goes to Copenhagen , studies or get jobs, think its a diffrence betwenn salaries and a profound variation of activities , culture and nightlife,
:wink:
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Posted by: Norge 23.Jan.2006, 06:08 PM

I just want to say thank you to everyone who's replied lol biggrin.gif

I am thinking of coming to Gothenburg, Stockholm or Malmo and I intend to learn Swedish at one of these universities.

If anyone has any information on these cities or swedish courses I would be grateful for any info?

Also, Is Swedish hard to learn?

engal. biggrin.gif

Posted by: etuna 23.Jan.2006, 06:18 PM

I am finding Swedish more difficult to learn than the French or German I took at school (up to A Level).
Even I am starting to get tired of my own excuses for not trying harder! :roll:

Posted by: Norge 23.Jan.2006, 06:51 PM

harder than german :shock:

what is it that makes it so hard?

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 06:53 PM

good point, now was that die yogurt das yogurt or der yogurt

oh sorry I hear you spell it now jogurt

oh well silly me

Posted by: Sven Goran 23.Jan.2006, 06:57 PM

We will give you the same warm welcome that you guys gave Sven Goran Eriksson. laugh.gif

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 07:01 PM

I am sorry, how many threads are going to be hijacked with this boring theme, couldn't you like talk about more interesting things like dead whales or Paris Hilton

Posted by: Sven Goran 23.Jan.2006, 07:05 PM

Sorry David Hasselhof, but we don´t wanna talk about Baywatch here

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 07:06 PM

QUOTE (Sven Goran)
QUOTE
I am sorry, how many threads are going to be hijacked with this boring theme, couldn't you like talk about more interesting things like dead whales or Paris Hilton


Sorry David Hasselhof, but we don´t wanna talk about Baywatch here


right english football i think I will take a snooze now

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 07:07 PM

maybe we can discuss the latest tattoo from Beckham

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 07:09 PM

did you see the movie kick it like beckham that is my favorite movie of all time

Posted by: Brave New World 23.Jan.2006, 07:22 PM

ENGAL

Gothenburg is more pleasant place than Stockholm. Everything is more expensive in Stockholm than in Gothenburg and the advantage with Gothenborg is that it is a port and food is cheaper. You can eat fresh fish every day with useful omega3 fatty acids which your brain will need in the future when you will begin your struggle with Swedish language.

I see that the problem which many English speaking people encounter here is their mother tongue which they continue to use here. You should" forget" your English and when someone wants to talk to you say to him that he should talk in Swedish because you must learn the new language. I am originally from Bosnia and I have always tried to speak Swedish even when I knew that I made mistakes. If you feel inhibited to talk with people in the pubs or other places you can always visit some of the churches. They have coffee after the service and they will be glad to help you. There are also local Red Cross organisations everywhere and they help also people who need help with Swedish language.
You should also buy here in Sweden the best dictionary which is Norstedts Comprehensive English Swedish and Norstedts Swedish English Dictionary ( In Swedish,"Norstedts stora engelsk svenska ordbok ) They sell it in a box of two books and it is worth every crown.

Learning Swedish is like a learning all other languages. It is a matter of time. I think that you should need at least two years to understand all conversation and the majority of texts.
Read novels and other books which you are interesting in and write down every word you do not understand. It can happen that you fall in love which will give you strength to learn more and everything will be much easier.

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 07:24 PM

Brave New World you are so polite and gentleman-like what happened to you?? First you tell us you like Swedish girls and then you tell us Göteborg is nice ???

Posted by: Aneud 23.Jan.2006, 07:30 PM

IMO Swedish is a tough language to learn but far from impossible. However it depends on how good you are with languages generally. It also depends on other factors such as how logical your mind is, how good your memory is, how much of exposure you get to the language and what sort of teaching tools you use.

Talk about stating the obvious... Lacka till! tongue.gif

Posted by: Sven Adultbooks 23.Jan.2006, 07:44 PM

If anyone has any information on these cities or swedish courses I would be grateful for any info?

Also, Is Swedish hard to learn?

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Look up Svenska För Invandrare (SFI). It is a free set of courses for immigrants. You will need a personnummer to apply. The courses are pretty much full time, mine was every day Monday to Friday 0900 to 1230. It´s full on and intensive especially if you get a good teacher.

The hardest thing for me is being able to practice. As soon as any Swede´s hear my English accent they automatically reply in English and then it´s very difficult to switch back to my broken Swedish. I suppose this makes life easier in terms of getting along and being able to buy or get services but you don´t feel part of the culture. I mean that from a personal point of view, I don´t mean that Swedes try to make you feel that way (however they do like to show off their English).

Ironically, my "sambo" is a Swedish and English teacher but we´ve taken the decision to speak English at home because we have a baby and we want him to be fluent in both languages. He´ll become fluent in Swedish anyway but it´s important to give him a head start in English and also means that I´ll hold my authority as a parent better with him. Imagine trying to keep him on the right track in dodgy Swedish, he´d walk all over me and not have much respect for me. We know of English couples who´ve tried to bring up their children while learning and practising their Swedish at home with terrible consequences for the kids.

Another difficult thing about the language is that the extra vowel sounds are totally alien to an englsih person. Your brain is constantly trying to fit the sounds into templates that it recognises and it´s therefore quite difficult to actually hear the subtleties of the vowel sounds. I listen to the radio as much as possible, even though I don´t necessarily understand the content my brain is processing the sounds and it will eventually be easier to discriminate between vowels and accents.

Good luck.

Posted by: Brave New World 23.Jan.2006, 07:59 PM

Aaron_in_berlin

How can I be ungrateful to the country which gave my the shelter and probably saved me from death. Sweden is my new homeland although I have experienced the worst moments of my life here and I know that I will never be a part of this society.

I see this time as a school and learning are not always pleasant task so everything which happens has a meaning and it learns us something new about our existence.

I have always tried to make a difference between hard working Swedish people who pay their taxes and seldom complain and the politicians who manipulate the masses and take the right to form the society as they please although they lack the essential abilities.

The more young and educated persons we have, the less the politicians have a chance to manipulate masses.

Bless are those who love to learn and share with the others their knowledge.

Posted by: Norge 23.Jan.2006, 08:06 PM

thanks for the replies, theyve been very helpful :wink:

can anyone tell me their personal experiences with swedes, what are they like?

Posted by: FR 23.Jan.2006, 08:11 PM

QUOTE (Brave New World)
...
How can I be ungrateful to the country which gave my the shelter and probably saved me from death. ...


Wow. Sounds like the stuff of an exciting book.

Posted by: Norge 23.Jan.2006, 08:11 PM

can anyone tell me how hard it would for me to get a job if i speak english french and swedish?

all replies welcome. smile.gif

Posted by: The Teenage Diplomat 23.Jan.2006, 08:20 PM

It would still be hard, there are several people here with a lot of university education that have been unemployed for years.

Posted by: Norge 23.Jan.2006, 08:24 PM

wat do employers look for in sweden?

Posted by: The Teenage Diplomat 23.Jan.2006, 08:30 PM

Usually someone who speak swedish almost fluently, who also knows english, and who has 3-5 years of experience within the area etc etc etc, the problem is that there is usually always someone who has more. It's not uncommon at all with people who have applied for hundreds of jobs and neven been to an interview. I know it sounds a bit sad, but unfortunately that's as real as it gets. But this is general, it might be different depending on what you wanna work with.

Posted by: etuna 23.Jan.2006, 08:43 PM

Sven Adultbooks, you wouldnt happen to be from Newcastle by any chance...?

Posted by: Norge 23.Jan.2006, 08:48 PM

do you know how easy it is to get into the police or teaching?

or to start your own business?

Posted by: The Teenage Diplomat 23.Jan.2006, 08:50 PM

Well, teachers is one thing that Sweden lack depending on what you're gonna teach. They also expect there to be a lack of teachers in the future, but usually they want a degree within those subjects.

Posted by: Alice Is Back 23.Jan.2006, 09:12 PM

QUOTE (Brave New World)
Aaron_in_berlin

How can I be ungrateful to the country which gave my the shelter and probably saved me from death. Sweden is my new homeland although I have experienced the worst moments of my life here and I know that I will never be a part of this society.


I am sorry to hear about this I am a foreigner too and I know I will never be a German but I really do not worry about it. I mean what is most important is who you are and not where you come from. What so you mean by I will never be a part of this society exactly? What are you expecting?

Posted by: Livvy 23.Jan.2006, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (Engal)
do you know how easy it is to get into the police or teaching?

or to start your own business?


To get into the Swedish Police, you need to be a Swedish citizen.
To work as a teacher, you need to be a qualified teacher.

Posted by: Brave New World 23.Jan.2006, 10:18 PM

Aaron_in_berlin

This topic is so huge that we would need hours to discuss it and at the and I know that I would be called a madmen by some of Swedes who never want to hear the truth. There is an old book from 1975 which had explained to me things which I felt my in heart and I would like to recommend to you , if you really want to know why and how Sweden has become such a cold soulless country.
It was an English journalist who lived here for a few years who wrote the book and the title is
"The New Totalitarians "
I have lived in Germany too. I was a refugee already 1984, and know that Germany is a still country where culture and our European heritage have an important role. Germans like people who want to work and give them the chance, but here in Sweden you can try as much as you can but the walls are thicker and higher then the Berlin wall. When I was in Germany I could see people from the whole Europe working as builders, here are constructor companies almost ethnic cleansed.Not to mention all those well educated men and women who sit home and will never get a chance to show what they can. It is a human tragedy which happens every day in this country and for which is somebody responsible for.

When the first immigrant got a post as a school minister, Ibrahim Bailan, the reporter on Swedish TV said that he came from a village where there was no electricity nor running water. What is this saying to you? He should be grateful that he came here at all and for the first time can experience civilisation.

If you look at Swedish schools you see that Swedes and immigrants have so little contact to each other. There are two worlds which exist and which will clash with each other the day when the money begins to disappear, for money is almost only strength which keep this society together.

Posted by: The Teenage Diplomat 23.Jan.2006, 10:31 PM

What people should try to understand is that Sweden is the oldest national state in the world. For a while ago only Swedes lived here basically, and that is different from what the rest of the world was like whether you like it or not. Germany have a history of not being united the same way Sweden always has been. It takes time for an old national state to change, and especially considering that we aren't exactly located in the heart of Europe.

Posted by: Legspin 24.Jan.2006, 12:35 AM

QUOTE (Brave New World)
Aaron_in_berlin

This topic is so huge that we would need hours to discuss it and at the and I know that I would be called a madmen by some of Swedes who never want to hear the truth. There is an old book from 1975 which had explained to me things which I felt my in heart and I would like to recommend to you , if you really want to know why and how Sweden has become such a cold soulless country.
It was an English journalist who lived here for a few years who wrote the book and the title is
"The New Totalitarians "
I have lived in Germany too. I was a refugee already 1984, and know that Germany is a still country where culture and our European heritage have an important role. Germans like people who want to work and give them the chance, but here in Sweden you can try as much as you can but the walls are thicker and higher then the Berlin wall. When I was in Germany I could see people from the whole Europe working as builders, here are constructor companies almost ethnic cleansed.Not to mention all those well educated men and women who sit home and will never get a chance to show what they can. It is a human tragedy which happens every day in this country and for which is somebody responsible for.

When the first immigrant got a post as a school minister, Ibrahim Bailan, the reporter on Swedish TV said that he came from a village where there was no electricity nor running water. What is this saying to you? He should be grateful that he came here at all and for the first time can experience civilisation.

If you look at Swedish schools you see that Swedes and immigrants have so little contact to each other. There are two worlds which exist and which will clash with each other the day when the money begins to disappear, for money is almost only strength which keep this society together.


Thats a wonderful bit of insight!
True, there is no official racism as such (or even if there is ,the state influenced press in Sweden would do its utmost to keep it under wraps), but there is deep trenched resentment amongst a good majority of second generation immigrant Swedes about the lack of equal opportunity. One basic reason why the first generation immigrants got secluded was that Sweden immigration policy allows only political refugees (unlike Canada, Auss or NZ). Thus upon arrival there is a huge gap between whats their existing skill base and whats required to break into the white collar job market and thus attain some social status. Otherwise too the non-Swedes (whether a refugee or a temporary immigrant) find it always difficult to gel with the regular white Swedes (especially if there is a discreet romantic stimulation propelling the effort to break in). Based on my rather short but highly diverse experience with the 21-30 age grouped people, there is hardly an exception to this...lamentable for a "model nation", eh?
The comparison with Germany is partly logical and partly not. Given its lack of unity, its normal that Germans should be more open to foreign inflows, which it is (2.4% of Germans don't speak German, compared to 0% in Sweden). But on the other hand, the strong pride on the Aryan race would at least allude towards a stronger resistance. On the other contrary, the Swedes have marginal pride of their language (a Swede is always more than happy to speak in English than in Swedish, sometimes to the extent that you hit a glass ceiling trying to learn the language by the streetside). Despite that even a floor cleaner's job in a scratchy shag is not offered to someone not "officially fluent" in Swedish. If there is such a huge amount of English knowledge available, why not be a little less softly discriminatory?

Posted by: Alice Is Back 24.Jan.2006, 12:38 AM

sorry Desdichado, I think Denmark has you beat here,

well brave new world at least you liked germany, you are probably the first person to say something nice about where I live now laugh.gif

Posted by: Alice Is Back 24.Jan.2006, 12:40 AM

and legspin germany is and was never monolithic !!!

swedes seem to be all blue eyed with blond hair

Posted by: Alice Is Back 24.Jan.2006, 12:41 AM

brave new world

I read Lasermannen, is that a good start to understanding Swedish racism??

Posted by: Legspin 24.Jan.2006, 12:49 AM

QUOTE (Aaron_in_berlin)
and legspin germany is and was never monolithic !!!

swedes seem to be all blue eyed with blond hair


LOL...that monolithic word is just grouse! But yeah, if Swedes remain this way, all they will have is a buncha blue eyed blondies, but no ones' blue eyed boy :twisted:

Posted by: Alice Is Back 24.Jan.2006, 01:31 AM

I think I will stay in berlin for now, my hair is kind of dark

Posted by: Mark Boy 24.Jan.2006, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (Sven Goran)
We will give you the same warm welcome that you guys gave Sven Goran Eriksson. laugh.gif


Great where is my £15,000,000 ?

Posted by: Fredde 24.Jan.2006, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (Legspin)
Thats a wonderful bit of insight!
True, there is no official racism as such (or even if there is ,the state influenced press in Sweden would do its utmost to keep it under wraps), but there is deep trenched resentment amongst a good majority of second generation immigrant Swedes about the lack of equal opportunity. One basic reason why the first generation immigrants got secluded was that Sweden immigration policy allows only political refugees (unlike Canada, Auss or NZ). Thus upon arrival there is a huge gap between whats their existing skill base and whats required to break into the white collar job market and thus attain some social status. Otherwise too the non-Swedes (whether a refugee or a temporary immigrant) find it always difficult to gel with the regular white Swedes (especially if there is a discreet romantic stimulation propelling the effort to break in). Based on my rather short but highly diverse experience with the 21-30 age grouped people, there is hardly an exception to this...lamentable for a "model nation", eh?
The comparison with Germany is partly logical and partly not. Given its lack of unity, its normal that Germans should be more open to foreign inflows, which it is (2.4% of Germans don't speak German, compared to 0% in Sweden). But on the other hand, the strong pride on the Aryan race would at least allude towards a stronger resistance. On the other contrary, the Swedes have marginal pride of their language (a Swede is always more than happy to speak in English than in Swedish, sometimes to the extent that you hit a glass ceiling trying to learn the language by the streetside). Despite that even a floor cleaner's job in a scratchy shag is not offered to someone not "officially fluent" in Swedish. If there is such a huge amount of English knowledge available, why not be a little less softly discriminatory?


Wrong my friend. Swedes are very proud over their language. English is spoken as a curtesy as we are being polite. I agree this frustrates people who want to learn Swedish. My wife feels that all the time.

Posted by: Norge 24.Jan.2006, 05:22 PM

Thanks Livvy for the info biggrin.gif

Posted by: Sven Adultbooks 24.Jan.2006, 05:57 PM

QUOTE (Benn)
Sven Adultbooks, you wouldnt happen to be from Newcastle by any chance...?


Nah. Sunderland. I got the nickname whilst on holiday with the lads one fine summer, due to activities that one might find in adult books. Darn shame that little boutique closed down.

:shock:

Posted by: etuna 24.Jan.2006, 05:58 PM

i thought it was still alive and kicking? Not that I ever frequented of course. laugh.gif

Posted by: Sven Adultbooks 24.Jan.2006, 07:59 PM

Those lying gits!! All these years!!!

:cry:

Posted by: Legspin 26.Jan.2006, 12:28 AM

QUOTE (Fredde)
Wrong my friend. Swedes are very proud over their language. English is spoken as a curtesy as we are being polite. I agree this frustrates people who want to learn Swedish. My wife feels that all the time.


Well in that case the courtesy should extend towards letting people integrate which is truly what they want to do whilst trying to speak in Swedish. It's all very well known that almost all the Swedes born after WW 2 speak fluent English, so speaking Swedish for the sake of communicating is really not the intended action, mingling is. By stopping them at that its either of two things -

a. that Swedes don't appreciate non-Swedes (particularly non-Caucasians) speak Swedish...and thus somehow be on the same footing as them (discrimination / pretectionism)
b. that Swedes lack the true belongingness to their language (lack of self pride)

There can be many ways to show the courtesy to a willing learner mate, the least of them is to snub him/her :cry:

Posted by: Sippan 1.Mar.2006, 01:00 AM

I believe that there is some racism going on against Americans at the moment. That casual contempt that quite a few European countries has had towards the US for a pretty long time, has during recent years started to get too serious. Especially among young people.

As much as I dislike the US government, it troubles me that people would take out their frustrations over a government, on individuals.

Am I just imagining things?

Posted by: Alice Is Back 1.Mar.2006, 01:04 AM

generally yes there is not racism against americans, just a few odd eggs that are really anti-american

Posted by: Kodos 1.Mar.2006, 01:06 AM

QUOTE (Sippan)
I believe that there is some racism going on against Americans at the moment. That casual contempt that quite a few European countries has had towards the US for a pretty long time, has during recent years started to get too serious. Especially among young people.

As much as I dislike the US government, it troubles me that people would take out their frustrations over a government, on individuals.

Am I just imagining things?


Well...I do not live in Sweden, so I cannot speak directly to cultural mores. However, there have been several discussions on TL regarding America. Most of them have undertones which would lead me to believe that most Europeans think that America agrees with the current Administration. That is something I have tried diligently to prove incorrect.

Thank you for recognizing the difference between The President and the citizens.

Posted by: The Teenage Diplomat 1.Mar.2006, 06:21 PM

I would advise all foreigners not to move to Sweden since all swedes are racists! 8)

Posted by: Mark Boy 1.Mar.2006, 09:14 PM

Stebro, how many times have you said this! We know you are ALL RACISTS, you don't need to keep on about it though!

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Posted by: Alice Is Back 1.Mar.2006, 11:11 PM

yes mark boy but the swedes LOVE tiny dogs, lucky for you I guess

Posted by: Kimmo 12.May.2006, 02:45 PM

No they are not racist...not against the Brits anyway, so you are fine here. AS LONG as you let them tell you about everything as they know everything and if they don't they make it up or look it up in a book. Don't be offended by that 'knowledge' just look impressed and they will be your friends for ever. Just make sure you don't pick up a partner from any of the other neighbouring Nordic countries or any of the immigrants and you will be accepted. And NEVER, did you hear that, NEVER laugh at them or criticise anything Swedish, because they are the best, no honest!!! YAWN:::::::::::::::::: !!!!!!!!!!Yes and do not forget the condoms and this coming from a woman...and not Swedish...
HAve fun; nature is good and there are some interesting people but try to go to a big town, there are two!!! Country folks are still pumpkins but DON*T tell them I said so. Or yes and hope you like hotdogs, pizzas and yeah you get some meatballs as well. But hot dog is very definately the national dish.

Posted by: Ezpen The Caveman 7.Jun.2006, 08:38 PM

QUOTE (Rez)
Sweden is very racial. It wasnt always but since the 90's neo-nazism has escalated. These days you dont really hear of much racial violence as in the 90s but its still there. You can get around with english, but people seem to expect you to speak a little Swedish. People with other origins than Swedish are termed in everyday language "invandrare" meaning "foreigner" or unofficially, "your not white, youre not as good as us". For me I have a certain opportunity here with work, otherwise I would never come back here again. As a child it was beautiful, and the nature is beautiful, buyt the people are very rude, Honestly I think you should try to come for a holiday and see for yourself. Check this link out for humoristic (but not wrong) view of the topic
http://www.coolabah.com/sweden/youknow.html

Stop the spam, you föcking jerk..

Posted by: Gustav- Fælbönnran 7.Jun.2006, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Rez)
Sweden is very racial. It wasnt always but since the 90's neo-nazism has escalated. These days you dont really hear of much racial violence as in the 90s but its still there. You can get around with english, but people seem to expect you to speak a little Swedish. People with other origins than Swedish are termed in everyday language "invandrare" meaning "foreigner" or unofficially, "your not white, youre not as good as us". For me I have a certain opportunity here with work, otherwise I would never come back here again. As a child it was beautiful, and the nature is beautiful, buyt the people are very rude, Honestly I think you should try to come for a holiday and see for yourself. Check this link out for humoristic (but not wrong) view of the topic
http://www.coolabah.com/sweden/youknow.html


Try to put yourself in the place of a Swede for a moment. Imagine that you are part of a very small ethnic group that has been wildly successful in many areas, and has created a pleasant, safe place to live. Your country is 80% forested, and the water is clean. You have maintained a connection with your cultural heritage, while moving forward with cutting edge technology. You look at the rest of the world and see countries and cultures making irrational decisions that will lead to long-term misery for their own people.

Wouldn't you have reservations about embracing the outside world? Its not as if Sweden is Britain, Japan or Germany, with large populations. In some ways, because of its size, Sweden always has its back against the wall.

Posted by: Streja 7.Jun.2006, 09:25 PM

[quote=Sven Adultbooks]If anyone has any information on these cities or swedish courses I would be grateful for any info?

Also, Is Swedish hard to learn?

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Look up Svenska För Invandrare (SFI). It is a free set of courses for immigrants. You will need a personnummer to apply. The courses are pretty much full time, mine was every day Monday to Friday 0900 to 1230. It´s full on and intensive especially if you get a good teacher.

The hardest thing for me is being able to practice. As soon as any Swede´s hear my English accent they automatically reply in English and then it´s very difficult to switch back to my broken Swedish. I suppose this makes life easier in terms of getting along and being able to buy or get services but you don´t feel part of the culture. I mean that from a personal point of view, I don´t mean that Swedes try to make you feel that way (however they do like to show off their English).

Ironically, my "sambo" is a Swedish and English teacher but we´ve taken the decision to speak English at home because we have a baby and we want him to be fluent in both languages. He´ll become fluent in Swedish anyway but it´s important to give him a head start in English and also means that I´ll hold my authority as a parent better with him. Imagine trying to keep him on the right track in dodgy Swedish, he´d walk all over me and not have much respect for me. We know of English couples who´ve tried to bring up their children while learning and practising their Swedish at home with terrible consequences for the kids.

Another difficult thing about the language is that the extra vowel sounds are totally alien to an englsih person. Your brain is constantly trying to fit the sounds into templates that it recognises and it´s therefore quite difficult to actually hear the subtleties of the vowel sounds. I listen to the radio as much as possible, even though I don´t necessarily understand the content my brain is processing the sounds and it will eventually be easier to discriminate between vowels and accents.

Good luck.[/quote]

My mum is Spanish and her Swedish became really good and she never had any problem disciplining us hmm...I have no idea what you mean here!

Posted by: Sazzadur 8.Jun.2006, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (Engal)
I am thinking of coming to Swden to study and would like to know if any racism exists, especially towards the english, also if any Swedish people read this do you like the English?

Basically, would I be welcome in Sweden?


You would be welcome, Engal. Swedes like Engish very much, it seems they will change their languge in their mouth and tongue, they will speak english in University and other places BUT NOT IN working place. When you will want to talk to them, they will talk to you in English, but when you will go to them for work, they will sepak you in Swedish. Swedish are very polite, gentle and loving persons, but they fuck smoothly. You may get shock if you dont know it, after somedays you will be accustomed to it. But dont be scared off their so called hospitality.

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