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Posted by: w_wallace 28.Dec.2020, 11:38 AM


Posted by: mjennin2 28.Dec.2020, 12:13 PM


Posted by: Guest 28.Dec.2020, 12:36 PM

I wonder when you say rural, do you mean rural or just a small town? Rurally I find the same as above, it's stopping folk talking when you need to get a move on is more of a problem than them not saying anything. Small towns are like the worst, none of the benefits of being out in the sticks and all the problems of cities.

Where we are houses are perhaps 500m to a km apart but in a 10km radius there are quite few folk, any event in the local village hall can easily push 100 folk and challenge the fire regs capacity, which being swedes they tend to take very seriously.

The only things folk won't share are mushroom and cloudberry locations!

Posted by: w_wallace 28.Dec.2020, 02:51 PM


Posted by: ChocOwl 29.Dec.2020, 09:51 AM

QUOTE (mjennin2 @ 28.Dec.2020, 12:13 PM) *
We live very rurally and remotely and our community is very close and work together to care for one another.

I have had a similar experience, living in a village of about 40 people with 15 km to a small town, 30 km to a large town, 400-ish people within 10 km radius.

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 28.Dec.2020, 12:36 PM) *
I wonder when you say rural, do you mean rural or just a small town? Rurally I find the same as above, it's stopping folk talking when you need to get a move on is more of a problem than them not saying anything. Small towns are like the worst, none of the benefits of being out in the sticks and all the problems of cities.

+1

Posted by: yonisan 29.Dec.2020, 10:52 AM

I live in Stockholm and I rarely come accross more rudeness than I have encountered in any of he cities in the UK or NL.

I talk with everyone in the apartment, help them where needed with shopping and lift and generally try to be a good neighbour. I find if you smile at people or say hello when on a walk then it is returned.

Posted by: w_wallace 29.Dec.2020, 11:02 AM

Thanks for your reply yonisan. That sounds great actually and it makes what I experience feel much more like a quality of life in a particular set of sticks. I have lived short stints in the UK, Singapore and longer ones in the states. Comparatively this level of not so much rudeness, but indifference just felt and feels heavier: more substantive.

Unfortunately, I am tied to a house and have to children that I could not live without seeing every other week, but as soon as the world rights itself again, it might be good for me to rediscover Sweden.

Thanks again for the replies here.

Posted by: w_wallace 29.Dec.2020, 11:09 AM

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I have had a similar experience, living in a village of about 40 people with 15 km to a small town, 30 km to a large town, 400-ish people within 10 km radius.

Thanks ChocOwl, this feels rather similar to my variables. 60,000 total population, 33 km from large town, 10 to small town, maybe 100 people rather spread out in a 15km radius. There may not be enough glue to hold it together outside of the extended familial connections (there are generations upon generations here).

Posted by: Guest 29.Dec.2020, 11:58 AM

QUOTE (w_wallace @ 29.Dec.2020, 11:09 AM) *
Thanks ChocOwl, this feels rather similar to my variables. 60,000 total population, 33 km from large town, 10 to small town, maybe 100 people rather spread out in a 15km radius. There may not be enough glue to hold it together outside of the extended familial connections (there are generations upon generations here).

Your local population isn't that different to us, it's a bit further to any form of shop or school here at around 15km. What is likely missing are motivated folk to get things rolling. Do you have a local hall, a local voluntary unpaid council committe etc.?

We put events on in our hall; Xmas markets, Lucia, Easter, walburga... the least any event has is coffee and cake; we comfortably draw from beyond the residents radius, especially if we put bands, a buffet, or comedians on, pre covid we did monthly talks where you pay someone of interest to do a presentation on themselves or whatever their niche is, charge 100sek a ticket(coffee and cake included) and folk come by the dozen. There are grants available for maintaining buildings used for the community and it's likely there will be someone of every trade imaginable in the area. Ours now has free WiFi via fibre, air sourced heating, a modern catering standard kitchen. We hire it out for people functions(weddings, graduations, birthdays...), the income subsidises the smaller events for locals.

Make it happen!

Posted by: Martin565 29.Dec.2020, 01:11 PM

Always got to be careful with country people wherever you are in the world, they like to stick to their own if you know what I mean.

Posted by: Martin565 29.Dec.2020, 01:17 PM


Posted by: Grommet 29.Dec.2020, 04:29 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 29.Dec.2020, 12:58 PM) *
Your local population isn't that different to us, it's a bit further to any form of shop or school here at around 15km. What is likely missing are motivated folk to get things rolling. Do you have a local hall, a local voluntary unpaid council committe etc.?

We put events on in our hall; Xmas markets, Lucia, Easter, walburga... the least any event has is coffee and cake; we comfortably draw from beyond the residents radius, especially if we put bands, a buffet, or comedians on, pre covid we did monthly talks where you pay someone of interest to do a presentation on themselves or whatever their niche is, charge 100sek a ticket(coffee and cake included) and folk come by the dozen. There are grants available for maintaining buildings used for the community and it's likely there will be someone of every trade imaginable in the area. Ours now has free WiFi via fibre, air sourced heating, a modern catering standard kitchen. We hire it out for people functions(weddings, graduations, birthdays...), the income subsidises the smaller events for locals.

Make it happen!

I'm guessing you also put out those canned meats, to really entice the crowds?

Things are a bit worse in your area than I ever could have imagined. Red-neck Swedes.

Interesting he wrote "by-the-dozen". Not "by-the-dozens".

Why, he makes living in the middle of nowhere, in the Meatball Land, sound a real dream. (shudders to self)

Posted by: Guest 29.Dec.2020, 05:13 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 29.Dec.2020, 04:29 PM) *
I'm guessing you also put out those canned meats, to really entice the crowds?

Yeah something like that... one of locals is a chef in a relatively near Michelin starred restaurant, but we suffer the catering for the cause!

Still jealous I see, new year soon, will it be another new screen name too?

Posted by: Grommet 29.Dec.2020, 06:05 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 29.Dec.2020, 06:13 PM) *
Yeah something like that... one of locals is a chef in a relatively near Michelin starred restaurant, but we suffer the catering for the cause!

Still jealous I see, new year soon, will it be another new screen name too?

Ya! You're really winning! Oh how I truly wish I could trade places with you!

Posted by: w_wallace 29.Dec.2020, 06:47 PM

Thanks for the posts here. If I can be truthfully,I am not sure when I will have the energy to try to start something social here. It is definitely a good idea and one that I will revisit perhaps when the sun returns and Covid looms less in all of our lives.

Posted by: Martin565 29.Dec.2020, 06:59 PM


Posted by: Guest 29.Dec.2020, 07:24 PM


Posted by: Martin565 29.Dec.2020, 07:33 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 29.Dec.2020, 07:24 PM) *
15km, not miles, a little bus does a loop around and collects them Etc. Just like schools anywhere else. Education is arguably essential travel? Most buses are bio gas etc.. so there's progress, even a few electric cars.


Not exercise though

Posted by: Guest 29.Dec.2020, 07:46 PM

QUOTE (Martin565 @ 29.Dec.2020, 07:33 PM) *
Not exercise though

You'd surprised, Monday gym for the 13yr old is always a run, rain or shine. Sometimes a long run, other times efforts up hill, usual 10 times, with 2km warm up and cool down, he's a bit of a star their gym teacher!

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 29.Dec.2020, 08:36 PM

QUOTE (yonisan @ 29.Dec.2020, 10:52 AM) *
I live in Stockholm and I rarely come accross more rudeness than I have encountered in any of he cities in the UK or NL.

I talk with everyone in the apartment, help them where needed with shopping and lift and generally try to be a good neighbour. I find if you smile at people or say hello when on a walk then it is returned.


What you call rude is called normal here. The Swedes are not rude unless you compare them to other nationalities, which is a redundant thing to do.

Swedes consider we Brits to be overly polite to the point of being unclear when we speak.

We Brits consider Americans to be loud and obnoxious and they consider us to have a stick up our arse.

In short, compare a Swede with another Swede. If you find they are all [a thing] then consider it is you that is in the wrong.

When in Rome...

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 29.Dec.2020, 08:37 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 29.Dec.2020, 07:24 PM) *
15km, not miles, a little bus does a loop around and collects them Etc. Just like schools anywhere else. Education is arguably essential travel? Most buses are bio gas etc.. so there's progress, even a few electric cars.


When I moved here Stockholm had hydrogen powered buses. Birmingham still had horse and cart. :-)

Posted by: Martin565 29.Dec.2020, 08:59 PM


Posted by: Martin565 29.Dec.2020, 09:06 PM


Posted by: Guest 29.Dec.2020, 09:46 PM


Posted by: Guest 29.Dec.2020, 09:50 PM

QUOTE (Martin565 @ 29.Dec.2020, 08:59 PM) *
should be focusing on technique sports and see if theres any talent there.

Before covid they had an after school sports club. They do about 15 different sports throughout the year, usually 3 weeks of the same sport. But it's run and coached by folk from the respective local sports club, the experts if you like in that field. They get info on joining the clubs if something caught their interest.

Posted by: w_wallace 30.Dec.2020, 09:24 AM

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Swedes consider we Brits to be overly polite to the point of being unclear when we speak.

I am a Brit as well and perhaps on the overly polite side. I do however find meeting a person on a long walk, saying hello and not having them respond, a little creepy with the remoteness. I wear running shoes so if I had to I could perhaps put a bit of distance between me them. I don't know if that is rude or not. It does feel weird and without embellishment, what happens most of the time here. I can't bring myself to act like the other "Romans" here. If so, there would be little issue.

Posted by: Martin565 30.Dec.2020, 01:24 PM


Posted by: ChocOwl 30.Dec.2020, 01:32 PM


Posted by: Guest 30.Dec.2020, 02:38 PM


Posted by: Guest 30.Dec.2020, 02:40 PM

QUOTE (ChocOwl @ 30.Dec.2020, 01:32 PM) *
Geez man, chill. I get it that some people are "glass is half full" and some people are "glass is half empty" but are you trying to say "glass should be a plate"?

Did you not read this bit?

Even if Martin was given a free full glass, he'd probably drill a hold in the bottom himself so he has something to moan about.

Posted by: Martin565 30.Dec.2020, 03:21 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 30.Dec.2020, 02:38 PM) *
??? Wtf, can't you even read?

3 weeks to try a sport being coached properly. Long enough to get a bit of a feel for what you enjoy, have an aptitude for etc.. then a chance to join the club to continue, whilst the school scheme will move onto another 3 week trial of a different sport, they don't usually do sports like football because its widespread anyway; it's usually more like tennis, archery, horse riding, athletics, orienteering, target shooting, hockey and so on, all at zero cost to the kids/parents. I know you hate anything swedish, but your kids would have far more opportunity here, kids sports, clubs and so on are heavily subsidised by the state.


Rubbish, most of the worlds best sporting opportunities are in the U.K. or USA, name me all these world renowned Swedish sports stars again?

Posted by: Guest 30.Dec.2020, 04:05 PM


Posted by: Martin565 30.Dec.2020, 04:19 PM


Posted by: Guest 30.Dec.2020, 04:40 PM


Posted by: Martin565 30.Dec.2020, 05:06 PM


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Posted by: Martin565 30.Dec.2020, 06:55 PM


Posted by: Martin565 30.Dec.2020, 07:00 PM

And another thing you go on about the few or elite then mention skiing in the same paragraph, ironic?

Posted by: Guest 30.Dec.2020, 07:09 PM


Posted by: Martin565 30.Dec.2020, 07:11 PM


Posted by: Guest 30.Dec.2020, 07:13 PM

QUOTE (Martin565 @ 30.Dec.2020, 07:00 PM) *
And another thing you go on about the few or elite then mention skiing in the same paragraph, ironic?

Skiing is not elite in sweden. Every town has a lit track in winter. Downhill is cheap enough for any working adult to afford and tens of thousands of families go to ?re, s?len, Idre etc every winter. Some every month. Lots of kids ski just as part of normal school gym lessons

Posted by: Guest 30.Dec.2020, 07:16 PM


Posted by: Martin565 30.Dec.2020, 07:17 PM


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 30.Dec.2020, 08:53 PM


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 30.Dec.2020, 08:56 PM

QUOTE (w_wallace @ 30.Dec.2020, 09:24 AM) *
I am a Brit as well and perhaps on the overly polite side. I do however find meeting a person on a long walk, saying hello and not having them respond, a little creepy with the remoteness. I wear running shoes so if I had to I could perhaps put a bit of distance between me them. I don't know if that is rude or not. It does feel weird and without embellishment, what happens most of the time here. I can't bring myself to act like the other "Romans" here. If so, there would be little issue.


I don't have that problem, I find people say hello outside the city, even in the suburbs.

When I moved here the biggest thing that took time to get used to was the lack of small talk but part of that was not speaking Swedish at the time and then it was cultural differences around the small talk.

When you did down into how the Swedes are it makes sense. They just don't talk to people they don't know.

The old joke in Stockholm was that if someone said hello to you they were either drunk, Finnish or both.

Posted by: w_wallace 31.Dec.2020, 08:47 AM

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I don't have that problem, I find people say hello outside the city, even in the suburbs.

That's good to hear; generally it's not a problem that I associate with the mainland. I think that this is a rather specific dynamic of rural and detachment that I find myself currently without remedy.

Taking "not talking to people you don't know" as a baseline, the absence of the chance encounter (particularly with Covid) and quite truthfully what appears to be just the lack of interest even prior to the pandemic, it makes for a negative feedback loop that is difficult to disengage from.

I am appreciative of the insight.

Thanks TheExpatEagle

Posted by: ChocOwl 31.Dec.2020, 10:53 AM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 30.Dec.2020, 08:56 PM) *
The old joke in Stockholm was that if someone said hello to you they were either drunk, Finnish or both.

Surely Finns are not renowned for being extroverted or bubbly?!

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 31.Dec.2020, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (ChocOwl @ 31.Dec.2020, 10:53 AM) *
Surely Finns are not renowned for being extroverted or bubbly?!


Who said they were?

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