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My experience "trying" to move to Sweden

Please god, just end me now

Gjeebes
post 24.Nov.2017, 10:57 AM
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Joined: 20.Feb.2012

"TheLocal rarely gets posts from people, happy with their lot in Sweden..."

Old Gamla crack-head is still in the honeymoon phase when it comes to Sweden...but that's just because he's never lived in Sweden. He has family here, who we all assume he tries to impress with his constant discontent of reading how people who actually live here, are discontent.

As for other countries' experiences, it depends on: the country you are from, personal relationships (nation/non-national), criminal history, student/worker, etc etc etc. So comparing the experience of country A, and country B, doesn't mean, anything.

And then having said that, here is a brief summary of living in these EU countries, as a non-EU national:

Germany - easy peasie lemon squeasie - lived in Berlin in the 90's, and in Oldenburg in the 00's. Schengen rules for the former, UK visa (access to EU) for the latter. No problems.

UK -easy peasie lemon squeezie - student visa for PhD - not 1 single problem, ever! Fast, efficient, easy.

Finland - ask for required forms for continuous residence; received in post 1 day later. Sent back 1 day later, passport returned in 4 days, with permit. Fast, efficient, easy.

France - convoluted as fuck; a disaster comparable to Sweden, the difference being France actually does have a significant population, and knowledgeable people. Delays are a function of permanent positions given out like candy to knowledgeable staff who simply have no consequence if they do not function, whereas in Sweden, the staff simply don't know what the fuck they are doing, and any expectation of "function" does not exist. - 6 month Marie-Curie post-doc at CNRS - received work permit 2 weeks before I left the country; makes for a nice souvenir.

Sweden - convoluted and confusing as fuck. Questions answered differently each time asked, extremely under-educated staff (do they have "any" qualifications?), who are often easily confused by their own rules. Inefficient, confusing, long wait times, lost paperwork (thanks MV), delays, general retardedness, and general mediocrity (a compliment).

Home country - one of the best, but now too suffering from hard-left empty virtue-signalling socialist regressions.
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Svedallas
post 24.Nov.2017, 11:32 AM
Post #17
Joined: 21.Apr.2016

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 24.Nov.2017, 10:57 AM) *
"TheLocal rarely gets posts from people, happy with their lot in Sweden..."Old Gamla crack-head is still in the honeymoon phase when it comes to Sweden...but that ... (show full quote)


I heard Italy is one of the worst.
Dealing with Agencies has a rule of thumb - you never call once. Each answer will be completely different. And like multiple choice, you have to decide which one might be the right one. It has always been like that.

Having been to America for a few times, I would rather take any of these issues, than to deal with their system.


Sweden will either get better or get worse. I think right now has been one of the lowest points, on many levels. But we just wait and see after elections...
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Gjeebes
post 24.Nov.2017, 12:13 PM
Post #18
Joined: 20.Feb.2012

"I heard Italy is one of the worst."

Haha, try Russia! Even just to visit, you will NEVER have the, ahem, "most correct and up-to-date" paperwork. Which is just another way of saying, make sure you carry plenty of cash in your pocket, and have it at the ready.
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SmokerT69
post 24.Nov.2017, 02:34 PM
Post #19
Location: Gävle
Joined: 28.Feb.2016

QUOTE (Sthlm83 @ 24.Nov.2017, 10:27 AM) *
Just to add some perspective – how many people complaining here have tried the same process in their home countries?


We lived in my country before we moved here. Bermuda, it's a British Colony in the upper Carribean. The only issues I've ever had there is that the women who work at all the agencies have really bad attitudes. And if you don't say good morning or good afternoon to them, they will get really annoyed with you. It's some weird Bermudian tradition to say good morning/afternoon etc to everyone you meet. Otherwise it's considered rude.

Besides that... nothing. Bermuda has the strictest immigration laws in the world except for maybe North Korea. Being born in Bermuda means nothing, the only way to get status up until the 90's was if your father was Bermudian. Even now, there are people who have worked there for 30+ years on permits who have no right of residency.

As for our experience moving there. My wife flew in, showed our marriage certificate at the airport customs. In she came, we went to the immigration department. We were told that as long as we're married, she can live here, work here and own her own businesses etc. After 10 years she can get status, and here's your social insurance number (personal number). It was that easy...

Here I am in Sweden with a Swedish wife and Swedish daughter for almost 6 months and no progress has been made.
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Svedallas
post 24.Nov.2017, 02:58 PM
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Joined: 21.Apr.2016

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Nov.2017, 02:34 PM) *
We lived in my country before we moved here. Bermuda, it's a British Colony in the upper Carribean. The only issues I've ever had there is that the women who work at a ... (show full quote)


Well, you will be glad to know the same "hej" applies when crossing path neighbors.
It is customary.

6 months is a hard stretch to be fair and an expensive wait.

I do suggest that you either do a search in the forums with tips, and if dealing with a specific agency, dial first, and get first hand information. And a second confirmation (as they never have the same answer).

Many foreigners in Sweden dislike the agencies, but many of the people are in fact, very nice, and willing to help.

Best of luck to you!
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SmokerT69
post 24.Nov.2017, 04:14 PM
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Location: Gävle
Joined: 28.Feb.2016

***update

So, the tax agency said I need to go back to the migration agency again. Cool beans, we've gone full circle now. I informed her that the place she's sending me to is actually a refugee center. So, I have to go back to Uppsala again. And then she gave me some bullshit excuse about Brexit and they don't know what to do with me because of it. So I was told to check back in a few weeks when she can "get some answers".
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Apache001
post 24.Nov.2017, 04:55 PM
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Joined: 7.Mar.2016

Sweden as of today may slow down your life if you are not careful. They are operating under jante law with no pressure whatsoever as any little job pressure can make Swedes “enter the wall” and take days off work for stress.

Amazing how fast some of my friends in other developed nations are moving fast to become managers on merit.

Someone once told me if we treat applications so fast then we would run out of jobs fast. My friends who have been able to fix things fast here have done so by physically going to the office and ask to speak with the boss, the speed your case will be treated is amazing.

When you call Emma in a government agency and the reply you get on the machine every time is “she will be back in the office on Wednesday null nio null null “09:00, it happens a lot in Sweden.
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SmokerT69
post 24.Nov.2017, 05:24 PM
Post #23
Location: Gävle
Joined: 28.Feb.2016

It's honestly one of the worst systems ever invented. You can't get a job unless you speak Swedish, you can't go to SFI without a personnummer, and you can't get one without a job. Lol...

Lucky for me the guy at SFI gave me a fake personnummer, otherwise I wouldn't even be attending SFI right now. Which I must say is a joke as well.

We use Sweol website to do tests and so on. I have a 97% pass rate compared to the rest of the class with an average of 66%. They've failed me 3 times now and I have to attend the same class again in December. I honestly don't understand how to progress. The teacher even calls on me to translate for her because her English is bad. But the Afgan girl who doesn't even know the abc's passed and moved to the next class. I'm slowly getting more and more fed up with the system here. I've reached out to my Sgts at my old regiment and I'm considering reenlisting again and moving back to the UK if nothing improves by the New year.
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Svedallas
post 24.Nov.2017, 05:40 PM
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Joined: 21.Apr.2016

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Nov.2017, 05:24 PM) *
It's honestly one of the worst systems ever invented. You can't get a job unless you speak Swedish, you can't go to SFI without a personnummer, and you can't g ... (show full quote)


There is no such thing as a fake personummer.
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Svedallas
post 24.Nov.2017, 05:42 PM
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Joined: 21.Apr.2016

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Nov.2017, 04:14 PM) *
***updateSo, the tax agency said I need to go back to the migration agency again. Cool beans, we've gone full circle now. I informed her that the place she's sending m ... (show full quote)


I would advice to call or to email.
Or you will waste a lot of time going back and forth.

6 months, is just ridiculous.
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SmokerT69
post 24.Nov.2017, 05:50 PM
Post #26
Location: Gävle
Joined: 28.Feb.2016

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 24.Nov.2017, 05:40 PM) *
There is no such thing as a fake personummer.


The principal or director or whatever you would call him at SFI gave me a personal number so I can attend school. It's not mine, so I'm calling it a fake one lol. Sorry if there was any confusion.

And to the other guy. I have emailed several times and sent all the info they asked for. Never receiveda reply. The lady today says the women I emailed doesn't work there anymore.
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RAFS
post 24.Nov.2017, 06:01 PM
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Joined: 14.Sep.2017

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Nov.2017, 04:14 PM) *
she gave me some bullshit excuse about Brexit and they don't know what to do with me because of it


Yes, that is a bullshit excuse and you should have called her on it. Your legal status is no different to any other EU citizen during the Brexit transition period.

It helps to do your research properly and know your rights. For example, you really should have known the rules on EU citizens' right of residence before going in. If you still don't know them then do your research before you proceed. Don't ask SV or MV staff. Figure out for yourself whether you actually have right of residence or not and tell them.

If you do have right of residence, you should be able to prove it to SV. If you don't then you will need a residence permit from MV and until you get that talking to SV is a waste of time.
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SmokerT69
post 24.Nov.2017, 06:10 PM
Post #28
Location: Gävle
Joined: 28.Feb.2016

QUOTE (RAFS @ 24.Nov.2017, 06:01 PM) *
Yes, that is a bullshit excuse and you should have called her on it. Your legal status is no different to any other EU citizen during the Brexit transition period.It helps to ... (show full quote)


Mate, I told her I have right of residency. I've produced my British passport everytime they've asked. I've proved I have sufficient money to live here. I've been here 6 months now but it doesn't seem to matter. They just say that I need to prove that I'm going to stay for 6 more months before they can give me a temporary personal number. I've been married to a Swed for 2 years, we've lived together. I can't log onto her work PC and just do it myself or I would. Everytime I apply they just send me back to migration agency or simply send me a letter weeks later saying I'm denied. Wtf am I supposed to do?
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Gjeebes
post 24.Nov.2017, 07:29 PM
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Joined: 20.Feb.2012

"Wtf am I supposed to do?"

Leave.
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SmokerT69
post 24.Nov.2017, 08:02 PM
Post #30
Location: Gävle
Joined: 28.Feb.2016

Should I contact the British embassy? Would they be able to help in anyway?
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