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*Mgema*
post 22.Sep.2006, 07:46 AM
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http://www.thelocal.se/article.php?ID=4986...a3d946695b25cae
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Deedk
post 22.Sep.2006, 07:50 AM
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Sadly, that article could be replaced with any city on the planet and still be true. It's not just Stockholm, it's everywhere, and has been.
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*Mgema*
post 22.Sep.2006, 08:29 AM
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You are right.

What makes me wonder is that apparentely the "swedish organization" was letting the guy to take responsability of kids, and I am sure they did not check his psycho before allowing him to "do something productive".

Child abusers are not so common in Spain, ask yourself why a country with only 8 to 9 million people has so much sexual abuse.
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Puffin
post 22.Sep.2006, 08:42 AM
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The problem is cultural as well - child abusers tend to be very plausible and are difficult to detect - how do you know that child abusers are not common in Spain? It could just be that they are not being detected or there is a culture of not reporting this type of abuse.

You only need to look at the worldwide scandals involving the Catholic church and child abuse to wee the problem: many children were abused but in many countries the prevailing culture was not to question the authority of the parish priest, the priest's denials were always believed and in many countries reporting any form of sexual abuse was considered shameful.

There is also the problem of how public sector agencies can detect peodofiles without any corroborating information. I mean they can carry out interviews, do home visits check criminal background/personal references - but if noone else suspects or raises any form of question it is very diffeicult to detect.
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007
post 22.Sep.2006, 08:53 AM
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well said puffin.
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*Mgema*
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE (Puffin)
The problem is cultural as well - child abusers tend to be very plausible and are difficult to detect - how do you know that child abusers are not common in Spain? It could just be that they are not being detected or there is a culture of not reporting this type of abuse.

You only need to look at the worldwide scandals involving the Catholic church and child abuse to wee the problem: many children were abused but in many countries the prevailing culture was not to question the authority of the parish priest, the priest's denials were always believed and in many countries reporting any form of sexual abuse was considered shameful.

There is also the problem of how public sector agencies can detect peodofiles without any corroborating information. I mean they can carry out interviews, do home visits check criminal background/personal references - but if noone else suspects or raises any form of question it is very diffeicult to detect.



YOu are right, the catholic church MANY YEARS AGO abuse children in Spain.
Now days the percentage of rapist or childabusers in Spain it´s low if you compare with Sweden. 8 million people in Sweden and over 45 million in Spain. Almost 6 times the people. Spain it´s popular for wife killing and beating, but not for children or women rape.

How to control who is a peodofile or not? I do not have the answer but I can say that before sending kids to the home of anybody, at list you need to make a psychological check up on that person. Don´t you agree?
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*Mgema*
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:06 AM
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QUOTE (Puffin)
The problem is cultural as well - child abusers tend to be very plausible and are difficult to detect - how do you know that child abusers are not common in Spain? It could just be that they are not being detected or there is a culture of not reporting this type of abuse.

You only need to look at the worldwide scandals involving the Catholic church and child abuse to wee the problem: many children were abused but in many countries the prevailing culture was not to question the authority of the parish priest, the priest's denials were always believed and in many countries reporting any form of sexual abuse was considered shameful.

There is also the problem of how public sector agencies can detect peodofiles without any corroborating information. I mean they can carry out interviews, do home visits check criminal background/personal references - but if noone else suspects or raises any form of question it is very diffeicult to detect.



YOu are right, the catholic church MANY YEARS AGO abuse children in Spain.
Now days the percentage of rapist or childabusers in Spain it´s low if you compare with Sweden. 8 million people in Sweden and over 45 million in Spain. Almost 6 times the people. Spain it´s popular for wife killing and beating, but not for children or women rape.

How to control who is a peodofile or not? I do not have the answer but I can say that before sending kids to the home of anybody, at list you need to make a psychological check up on that person. Don´t you agree?
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007
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:14 AM
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QUOTE (Mgema)
YOu are right, the catholic church MANY YEARS AGO abuse children in Spain.


they got rid of the problem by sending all those priests to boston laugh.gif

and despite the fact that they ignored that problem for years, they certainly would never lie about the problem existing in spain ...if it did, but it doesn't. :wink:
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VikingHumpingWitch
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:18 AM
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The vast majority of child abuse is committed by the children's own parents and family. Amazing to think that it might go unreported, eh.
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007
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:30 AM
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i've talked to several spanish parents. none of them abuse their children.
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*Mgema*
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:36 AM
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What is wrong in Spain is the way they educate children. They are too quick to hit them, slap them in the face and creating pychologial tabus for children.

You can get really mad when looking a bloody bitch jelling and slapping her 1 yold doughter because she felt on the floor or she crosses the road. It´s the mothers fault for not being capable to handle her child, but instead they just slap them and say, bad girl. Grrrrrrrrr.

To have children should not be a right.
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Muttlestar Galactica
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:46 AM
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QUOTE (Mgema)
YOu are right, the catholic church MANY YEARS AGO abuse children in Spain.
Now days the percentage of rapist or childabusers in Spain it´s low if you compare with Sweden. 8 million people in Sweden and over 45 million in Spain. Almost 6 times the people. Spain it´s popular for wife killing and beating, but not for children or women rape.

How to control who is a peodofile or not? I do not have the answer but I can say that before sending kids to the home of anybody, at list you need to make a psychological check up on that person. Don´t you agree?


No offence meant but I have to go with the thought expressed that this could be any town, city or municipality, as not a week went by when there was'nt some stroy concerning child abuse in the papers when I lived in Spain.

The strangest of which I read, concerned a father and his 7yr old daughter on a bus. Apparently in plain veiw he started to fondle his daughter, whilst trying to kiss the child in an innapropriate manner. The child who was showing great distress was quickly whisked away by fellow passengers to the safety of the front of the bus and the driver halted at the next stop and called the police. Who on this occasion actually turned up pronto to take him off for the statatory 'robust interview'.
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VikingHumpingWitch
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:50 AM
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QUOTE (007)
i've talked to several spanish parents. none of them abuse their children.


Well that's me convinced then. Phew.
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Lorri
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:54 AM
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Joined: 30.Aug.2004

Can you stand some generalizations?

Regarding priests, I don't think celibacy is a "normal" sexual state, and it shouldn't be surprising that "deviants" are over-represented in the priesthood. So very sad, though, especially the breach of trust.

Regarding pedophiles, maybe the incidence is related to the low personal power of the attacker. The weaker he feels, the weaker the victim he chooses. Maybe it really doesn't happen as often in more "macho" cultures.

Access to pornography could be part of it, too. And that's definitely cultural. (And, no I'm not saying pornography makes people perverts. But, sexual deviants are often addicted to pornography, and it feeds their fantasies.)

As to why some will stop there, and some will become attackers: Isolation and lack of a restraining social network? Feeling entitled? Opportunity? All cultural.
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Bythesea
post 22.Sep.2006, 09:59 AM
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007 wrote:
i've talked to several spanish parents. none of them abuse their children.

im convinced
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