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Posted by: Guest 21.Feb.2011, 09:45 PM

Notice that the people who broke into this row house In September 2009 forgot to erase this copy of the article which first appeared on Jerre's Think Tank in Germany, and was subsequently scrubbed.

Here it is again, warts and all, in case the Swedish investigators are finally serious in looking for Palme's real killers rather than all those false leads, and wantabes who claimed to have done so just in the hope that they can make a pathetic name for themselves:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2004/06/olof-palmes-assassination-operation.html

Tried to post the whole article, but wasn't able to.

Posted by: Jimmy 21.Feb.2011, 10:38 PM

They are still looking for information. Send in yours. Or do you want a whip? To flog a dead horse?

And did you ever get your CD player back from them?????

And pay up your bet

Posted by: swozzie 21.Feb.2011, 11:30 PM

Tried to post the whole article, but wasn't able to.

Thank God for small mercies

Posted by: Jamtjim 22.Feb.2011, 06:27 AM

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Tried to post the whole article, but wasn't able to.

I wouldn't worry Trow, I don't suppose anyone is going to read it any way. Fewer still are going to take it seriously!

Posted by: Rick Methven 22.Feb.2011, 06:59 AM

We must at least give Trow some credit for learning how to post a link that actually works wink.gif

Posted by: The Nine 22.Feb.2011, 09:07 AM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 21.Feb.2011, 09:45 PM) *
Notice that the people who broke into this row house In September 2009 forgot to erase this copy of the article which first appeared on Jerre's Think Tank in Germany, and was subsequently scrubbed.

Here it is again, warts and all, in case the Swedish investigators are finally serious in looking for Palme's real killers rather than all those false leads, and wantabes who claimed to have done so just in the hope that they can make a pathetic name for themselves:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2004/06/olof-palmes-assassination-operation.html

Tried to post the whole article, but wasn't able to.

But Trow, you don't live in a row house, unless of course you mean it's in a row of houses, as opposed to being a place once used for housing boats. Have yo never heard of google earth?

Posted by: Rick Methven 22.Feb.2011, 09:13 AM

What Trow lives in is a Bostadsrätte av radhustyp so I suppose it is a "row house" though in English it would most probably be called a town house

Posted by: big5 22.Feb.2011, 09:38 AM

If you're trying to discretely monitor the residence of a head-of-state in preparation for an assassination you don't bring a fricking walkie talkie. That would be way too conspicuous.

Theory punctured.

Still, I enjoyed the ride through the last decade of the Cold War. Back in the 80s I thought Reagan and Ollie North were evil incarnate; now I have to admit they're were pretty f*ucking awesome!

Posted by: 7 22.Feb.2011, 09:41 AM

QUOTE (The Nine @ 22.Feb.2011, 09:07 AM) *
But Trow, you don't live in a row house, unless of course you mean it's in a row of houses, as opposed to being a place once used for housing boats.

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 22.Feb.2011, 09:13 AM) *
it is a "row house" though in English it would most probably be called a town house

http://www.answers.com/topic/row-house

Posted by: Rick Methven 22.Feb.2011, 09:51 AM

But that's American

In the UK it would have been called a terraced house but as that conjurers up visions of dreary back to back rows in grimy areas in the North of England, new builds are referred to as Town Houses which has a much more up market connotation. I mean Prince Charles has a Town house in London - St James' Palace rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Guest 22.Feb.2011, 09:56 AM

At least big5 is relevant in his post.

The use of walkie-talkies does not puncture my theory at all.

In fact, they are an integral part of the plot, as the apparent assassin, Captain Simon Hayward, was given the task by MI6 to kill the stateminister after Charleas Morgan was unable to recuit an assassin in either Stockholm or London.

And Hayward joined a KMS, Ltd. reassessment squad of the performance of Palme's bodyguards - what it carried on from that small shed right outside the entrance to Palmes' apartment in the Old Town.

During the assessements, it needed walkie-talkies to coordinate what it was doing, and when Hayward learned that the coast was clear when the Palmes were essentially alone on Sveavägen, he potted him with one shot from close range in the back. The second shot was just fired aimlessly at Mrs. Palme to give the false impression that she was a target too.

Mission accomplished.

Posted by: Jimmy 22.Feb.2011, 10:03 AM

For all your evidence not one follow up by authourities. Not one other part of the media. No one.

Why is that????
Either you are too scared to be made a laughing stock in public or you haven't sent any of your theories. Surely there would be ONE person in a government or media would take up and investigate your theories. Getting you to preach them from the top of the mountain.

But all there is, is silence. Says everything

Posted by: Rick Methven 22.Feb.2011, 10:04 AM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 22.Feb.2011, 09:56 AM) *
At least big5 is relevant in his post.

big5 may make more relevant posts but defining what type of house you live in, is much more interesting laugh.gif

Posted by: Guest 22.Feb.2011, 12:32 PM

Silence on the plot to assassinate Palme at Soviet expense is not hurtful to me, Jimmy.

It apparently shows that the issue is simply too hot to even address.

I am only going to stop when the Swedish investigators provide Captain Hayward and his associates with an alibi for the shooting, and really discredit the massive evidence that the Anglo-Americans, along with NATO's Anchor Express Exercise, were planning a non-nuclear conclusion to the Cold War - a surprise which would have caught Moscow flat footed if it had not been for all the spying Rick Ames, Robert Hanssen et al. had provided, and the countermeasures the Soviets had taken to prevent the degrading of their nuclear arsenal.

The spies really saved our asses, but not Palme's and about 50 other Norwegian engineers and double agents caught in the intelligence crossfire.

Posted by: Jimmy 22.Feb.2011, 12:37 PM

If they did investigate ( if not already) Captain Hayward and they result was nothing to do with it. Would you accept it? Or would you then claim another cover up?

Posted by: Vetinari 22.Feb.2011, 01:44 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 22.Feb.2011, 12:32 PM) *
... and really discredit the massive evidence that the Anglo-Americans, along with NATO's Anchor Express Exercise, were planning a non-nuclear conclusion to the Cold War



We did have a non-nuclear solution to the cold war. And I think everyone was planning (and hoping) for one.

And still Trow, nothing in your theories can be called 'apparent'. Thats just one of the words you Trow in so you wont have to provide any evidence

Posted by: Guest 22.Feb.2011, 02:09 PM

Sorry, Vetinari, but the non-nuclear conclusion that America's Rambos were planning was based upon their attack submarines sinking Soviet boomers after they hurriedly went on line after the Stockholm Surprise.

If this had started happening, Marshal Nicolai Ogarkov, commander of 82 nuclear-tipped SS-23 missiles in East German and the Western part of the USSR - what the swaggering West knew nothing about - would have launched them in a full fledged nuclear war if any Soviet subs had been sunk.

Thank godness the Soviets had their spies, and it didn't come to this.

And I just use the word apparently when I am not completely sure about what I am claiming.

And, Jimmy, of course, I would give up my claims about Hayward et al. if they were disproved, but it seems highly unlikely when the break-in of this rowhouse - yes, rowhouse as it has a common wall with those on each side of it - erased the only copies I have of these articles about it:

http://cryptome.sabotage.org/fru-hayward2.htm
http://cryptome.sabotage.org/fru-hayward.htm

Thank goodness, John Young, totse, and codshit.com posted them.

I first suspected the the intruders were planting stuff in the rowhouse when they were actually destroying evidence about the Palme assassination while stealing evidence to help 'Jihad Jane' entrap. And yes, the intruders misplaced the CD player to make me think that was what was stolen.

Nothing can match this scum.

Posted by: Gletta 22.Feb.2011, 04:07 PM

So what happened to Hayward since?

Posted by: Jimmy 22.Feb.2011, 04:20 PM

Intruders misplaced your CD player. I thouhgt it was your girl friend

Posted by: Craptastical 22.Feb.2011, 04:54 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 22.Feb.2011, 03:09 PM) *
And yes, the intruders misplaced the CD player to make me think that was what was stolen.

I call bullshit.

You specifically said it was your girlfriend and that she admitted to moving it. You then claimed that she must be a spook or something to that effect.

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 22.Feb.2011, 03:09 PM) *
Nothing can match this scum.

You just did.

Posted by: Guest 22.Feb.2011, 05:14 PM

Hayward aka Captain James Rennie works for the Home Office, as far as I know.

He had the hutzpa to send me a letter, stating that the Palme assassination is all a Swedish problem, and its authorities should take action about my complaints, knowing that he is banished from ever appearing here.

And my girl friend is quite a scatter brain, but very loyal to her friends. I think that she doesn't really know what happened to the CD player, and is just covering for others.

The truth about it all will only come out if I decide to sue the Swedish authorities for attempting to entrap me - a rather difficult matter since at the same time as they were trying to set me up as Lars Vilks assassin, they, like Craptastical, were interested in proving that I am an Iranian spy.

Whoever misplaced the CD player, it is just typical of Craptastical to make a big deal about it when he cannot see beyond the end of his nose.

Posted by: Vetinari 22.Feb.2011, 09:04 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 22.Feb.2011, 02:09 PM) *
Sorry, Vetinari, but the non-nuclear conclusion that America's Rambos were planning was based upon their attack submarines sinking Soviet boomers after they hurriedly went on line after the Stockholm Surprise.

If this had started happening, Marshal Nicolai Ogarkov, commander of 82 nuclear-tipped SS-23 missiles in East German and the Western part of the USSR - what the swaggering West knew nothing about - would have launched them in a full fledged nuclear war if any Soviet subs had been sunk.

Thank godness the Soviets had their spies, and it didn't come to this.


Still doesn't change the fact that we did have a non-nuclear solution and that the Swedish authorities have tried to discredit that fact. Neither is it a hot potato that either side had several contingency plans in place. You are assigning value to things just to create a narrative for yourself.

And no, neither side had an interest in actually starting a nuclear war. Smart people on both sides knew it would spell doom for everyone considering the amounts of nukes involved. Those plans were merely posturing. If they weren't, why didn't the Soviets just launch when they realized the collapse was imminent and thusly remove all competition in beforehand?

QUOTE
And I just use the word apparently when I am not completely sure about what I am claiming.


I am certain you meant 'when you are not completely sure if what you are claiming is be truth'. Although I have to give it to you Trow, your way of putting it explains a lot more of your deductive skills.

Either way the phrase "what I think" or similar is far more accurate than apparently.

Posted by: Jamtjim 22.Feb.2011, 10:41 PM

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Hayward aka Captain James Rennie works for the Home Office, as far as I know.


Which isn't anywhere near as far as you can guess...

Posted by: The Nine 23.Feb.2011, 08:18 AM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 22.Feb.2011, 09:13 AM) *
What Trow lives in is a Bostadsrätte av radhustyp so I suppose it is a "row house" though in English it would most probably be called a town house

Thanks for the clarification Rick. Trows place seemed a bit far from the water to be a boat house, but it crossed my mind maybe the phrase was caloquial.

Posted by: Craptastical 23.Feb.2011, 10:29 AM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 22.Feb.2011, 05:14 PM) *
The truth about it all will only come out if I decide to sue the Swedish authorities for attempting to entrap me - a rather difficult matter since at the same time as they were trying to set me up as Lars Vilks assassin, they, like Craptastical, were interested in proving that I am an Iranian spy.

I have never had any intention nor any interest in proving you to be an Iranian spy. If my memory serves correctly (without going through TLs thread history) I raised a red flag *to you on this forum* over your actions and how the US government could interpret them. That's all, nothing more and nothing less.

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 22.Feb.2011, 05:14 PM) *
Whoever misplaced the CD player, it is just typical of Craptastical to make a big deal about it when he cannot see beyond the end of his nose.

I make a big deal about it because you revise history. First you claimed there was a bungled break-in, then you claimed they stole your CD player. Then you changed your story and that it was your sambo who moved it, IIRC you even claimed she did it to get under your skin. Then you claimed that she must be an agent and how you don't trust her and are only with her out of necessity blah blah blah

Now you're changing your tune back to your original claims. I'm curious how many more times the story will change to suit whatever current point you're trying to make.

Posted by: Guest 23.Feb.2011, 01:12 PM

I don't need any red flags from anyone, especially you, Craptastical, about my behavior possibly constituting treason. I just see them as alerting authorities, especially American ones, about what I might be doing to my detriment.

And I find your comparing my difficulties over the CD player with those Anglö-American covert operators created for Palme, and many others - what could easily have led to a nuclear war if it had not been for the "treason" of Ames, Hanssen et al. - pathetic.

I still am not sure who misplaced the CD player, when, and for what reason. I am just glad that I didn't do anything about it, and kept my cool as best I could, thinking and talking about all kinds of culprits, timmings, and reasons.

It was the biggest personal challenge of my life, and my reactions still left open my credibility about the Palme assassination IMHO, and 'Jihad Jan'e attempts to entrap me - what I still may sue someone for.

I would not change anything even with the benefit of hindsight despite what you and others continue to bark about

Posted by: Jamtjim 23.Feb.2011, 01:25 PM

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I still am not sure who misplaced the CD player, when, and for what reason.


I can help you with that one Trow. You misplaced the CD player yourself for the reason that your mind was so full of conspiratorial nonsense that you have difficulty functioning competently in real life. (Senility perhaps?)

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...left open my credibility about...


What credibility is that then? Is that the credibility gained from spouting unsupported speculation, or is it the one gained from lying regarding the spam like breadth and proliferation of the afore mentioned theories?

Posted by: big5 23.Feb.2011, 01:44 PM

Trowbridge, you write: "I still am not sure who misplaced the CD player [...] It was the biggest personal challenge of my life".

*Spock does mind-meld* "forget... forget..."

Posted by: Craptastical 23.Feb.2011, 02:19 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 23.Feb.2011, 01:12 PM) *
I don't need any red flags from anyone, especially you, Craptastical, about my behavior possibly constituting treason. I just see them as alerting authorities, especially American ones, about what I might be doing to my detriment.

Fair enough, but you need to keep in mind who the audience is. What you need and what you get are two completely separate things, especially on a *public forum*. I stress that because as you undoubtedly already know, this isn't your own personal playground where you make the rules.

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 23.Feb.2011, 01:12 PM) *
And I find your comparing my difficulties over the CD player with those Anglö-American covert operators created for Palme, and many others - what could easily have led to a nuclear war if it had not been for the "treason" of Ames, Hanssen et al. - pathetic.

You're right, it was unfair. However your treatment of me as well as other posters who disagree with you doesn't exactly compel me to play nice. Did I get under your skin with the earlier comment? Yes? Good.

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 23.Feb.2011, 01:12 PM) *
I still am not sure who misplaced the CD player, when, and for what reason. I am just glad that I didn't do anything about it, and kept my cool as best I could, thinking and talking about all kinds of culprits, timmings, and reasons.

Yes, you kept your cool. Especially the part where you engaged in character assassination on your sambo. That's showing real class Trow.

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 23.Feb.2011, 01:12 PM) *
It was the biggest personal challenge of my life, and my reactions still left open my credibility about the Palme assassination IMHO, and 'Jihad Jan'e attempts to entrap me - what I still may sue someone for.

I would not change anything even with the benefit of hindsight despite what you and others continue to bark about

While I appreciate that you've put a lot of your own time into trying to figure out what happened with the Palme assassination, you have got to get over yourself and understand that not only does the world *not* revolve around you, but that your research is probably completely wrong. 25 years since the assassination and they have no leads. How long has your theory been available for the authorities to read? If it held any weight then I'm pretty sure they would have contacted you to get additional information.

As for the Jihad Jane thing... Please get a grip. Receiving spam for Russian mail order brides is not an indication that you're being set up. I tried to show you how common it is to receive that junk but you shrugged it off (which is your choice). Neither is receiving a PM from a member of this forum stating that she/he wants to have your babies. I think it's been explained to you that it was probably laced with a very heavy dose of sarcasm, but you refuse to acknowledge that as the most likely scenario.

IMO your suspicion that it was a setup can lead one to believe that you have a bit of a guilty conscience. Did you place an order for a bride? Did you try to hook up with the poster who wanted to have your babies? Disclaimer: This last paragraph is a joke. I'm explicitly writing this because Trow has a very hard time understanding when someone is just messing with him. Without this disclaimer he would claim I'm setting him up or some other wild conspiracy which any sane and rational person could only dream up while baked or drunk.

Posted by: Vetinari 23.Feb.2011, 03:48 PM

QUOTE (Craptastical @ 23.Feb.2011, 02:19 PM) *
As for the Jihad Jane thing... Please get a grip. Receiving spam for Russian mail order brides is not an indication that you're being set up. I tried to show you how common it is to receive that junk but you shrugged it off (which is your choice). Neither is receiving a PM from a member of this forum stating that she/he wants to have your babies. I think it's been explained to you that it was probably laced with a very heavy dose of sarcasm, but you refuse to acknowledge that as the most likely scenario.

IMO your suspicion that it was a setup can lead one to believe that you have a bit of a guilty conscience. Did you place an order for a bride? Did you try to hook up with the poster who wanted to have your babies? Disclaimer: This last paragraph is a joke. I'm explicitly writing this because Trow has a very hard time understanding when someone is just messing with him. Without this disclaimer he would claim I'm setting him up or some other wild conspiracy which any sane and rational person could only dream up while baked or drunk.


Trow widely believes that spam messages are in fact covert messages from those he writes about who are trying to escape being assassinated by the 'securocrats'.

In the Gudrun Loftus thread he based a lot of his theory on a reply to one of his codshit posts (could have been cryptome as well, I can only remember it was one of the obscure conspiracy websites he posts on). The message said "good work, keep it up". According to Trow that message was written by Loftus, 100% fact and all that, no other explanation was possible. The comment turned out to be spam directing you to a site where you could buy tools to improve your writing rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Guest 23.Feb.2011, 06:09 PM

Just the usual disinformation by resident dipsticks.

Craptastical tried to discredit 'Jihad Jane' aka Colleen Larose and Gwrhyr by bringing up the spam that was connected to it in a facetious way, acting as if the spam was the only bit about it when 'Jihad Jane' actually tried to get me to hook up with her by posts on this site, and a PM, entitled "Message from the depths of my situation." Just the usual kind of spam, one gets. laugh.gif

The main reason why I was interested in the spam message, sent earlier in July, was I believe that it was sending out a feeler to me in the hope of connecting me to her later. The thing that most interested me in it is that it arrived about nine months later, making me wonder who and why it was held up. Could be that the securocrats knew I would be away, and held it up until I cam back, only to forget about it after JJ fled without me in her talons.

As for the alleged spam on codshit.com, someone would still have to personally go to the trouble of doing so because of its filter system - what I think is really Gudrun Loftus's last secret testament, especially because you dipsticks think it not.

Back to the drawing board, boys.

How about something relevant to the Palme assassination?

Posted by: Vetinari 23.Feb.2011, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 23.Feb.2011, 06:09 PM) *
How about something relevant to the Palme assassination?


You first...

Posted by: duogrn 23.Feb.2011, 06:55 PM

Haha, mate /checkmate !

Posted by: Jamtjim 23.Feb.2011, 08:18 PM

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You first...

C'mon Trow, that's a challenge. Now let's see you come through on it... (only true and verifiable information please, not your normal baseless lunacy.)

Posted by: Jamtjim 23.Feb.2011, 08:25 PM

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Just the usual disinformation by resident dipsticks.


Definition:

Dipstick;

a word in Trowish used to group together people who do not automatically believe the types of baseless and often egotistical delusion disseminated by himself and other conspiracy theorist whackjobs. In the English language these people are also grouped together but under the words such as "sane" or "lucid" or even more simply "smart".

a blanket term used ineptly by Trowbridge to unfairly deflect attention from flawed allegations whilst labouring under the illusion that name calling somehow adds credibility to otherwise vacuous arguments.

the most commonly used word in Trowish and accessed by the keyboard short cut Ctrl-Shift 911.


Disinformation;

absolutely everything Trowbridge H Ford writes, speaks or believes.



Can anyone else aid me in my task to compile the worlds first Trowbridgeaurus?

Posted by: Guest 23.Feb.2011, 08:34 PM

Righto, how about this, check!:


How NATO Almost Triggered Armageddon
by
Trowbridge H. Ford

The disappearance of President Reagan's Navy Secretary John F. Lehman, Jr. from the American political scene after he apparently resigned on February 16, 1987, was the greatest mystery until recently. The high-flying, flamboyant youngster, still in his forties, seemed destined to much higher position, hoping even to take over from beleaguered National Security Adviser Vice Admiral John Poindexter when the Iran-Contra scandal broke, and being among the short list of candidates to head the Pentagon when Vice President George Bush set about forming a new administration in January 1989.

Instead Lehman became almost a pariah whom no one was willing to talk about, much less give a position to. Ronald Reagan, for example, though enamored with Lehman's Navy, failed to even mention him in his memoirs, An American Life, as did Lou Cannon in his biography, President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime. One could only wonder why. When Independent Counsel Lawrence Walsh investigated Iran-Contra, Lehman escaped any embarrassment, merely acting as a Reagan loyalist, calling Walsh "a sleazy bounty hunter" (Firewall, p. 440) because of his apparently politically-inspired inquiry.

About the former Navy Secretary's alleged culpability, Gregory Vistica, in Fall from Glory: The Men Who Sank the U.S. Navy, wrote that Lehman fell because he engaged in obscene acts at the gathering of the 1986 Tailhook Association at the Las Vegas Hilton, what triggered disclosure of a whole series of scandals which led the public and Congress to question ultimately his build-up of the Navy to meet the Soviet threat. The question was whether it was worth it, and if not, was it Lehman's fault? (p. 15) Ultimately, Vistica concluded that it wasn't, and that it was Lehman's fault, a most strange conclusion since the father of "the Six Hundred Ship Navy", despite Lehman's claim, was Donald Rumsfeld, SOD in the Ford Administration (p. 64), who recently returned to Washington as George W. Bush's SOD. James Webb, Lehman's successor, particularly favored his naval build-up (Robert Timberg, The Nightingale's Song, p. 399), a claim Vistica feebly discounted. (p. 249)

For good measure, Admiral Frank Kelso, the central partner of Lehman's dream team who went on to became Chief of Naval Operations (CNO), attended the much more controversial 1991 Tailhook Association convention, witnessing a scene of lewd acts by officers with hookers and strippers, and an assault on Lieutenant Kara Hultgreen by an Australian officer during which he bit her on the bottom, and she threatened to kill him if he continued. (pp. 325-8) This was the convention where Lieutenant Paula Coughlin, Admiral Jack Snyder's aide, was forced to run the gauntlet during which male F/A -18 pilots tried to tear her clothes off, and threatened to gang rape her. It was only three years later that Kelso was forced to retire early because of the bitter fallout from it, and other scandals.

Lehman's memoirs, Command of the Seas, did little to clarify matters too, saying nothing about the scandals, and little about his operations, the maritime strategy reduced to a simple flow chart which even political scientists would have been uncomfortable with. (p. 494) Lehman made it seem as if he were just fortunate enough to have been a member of a team whose actions in grand events made such a difference. (p. xi) While he was building up the fleet despite the opposition of "an elephantine bureaucracy and byzantine political arena," others directed its use. "By 1985," he explained regarding his plans to retire, "the navy's confidence and morale had been restored, the maritime strategy was in place, and the management philosophy was established." (p. 417) His somewhat premature departure was caused by a leak of his intentions to quit, by his nemesis, Pentagon staffer and CNO Carlisle Trost, with whom he was having a bitter dispute over unprecedented promotions of submariners - the admirals' revenge, Lehman claimed, for his sacking of Admiral Hyman Rickover, the father of the nuclear navy. (p. 418)

Well, the only Rickover now on the scene is the submarine Hyman G. Rickover, SSN-709, and Trost and his fellow admirals have long since retired. Still, Lehman has not made a reappearance, even with the White House full of Republican hawks like Rumsfeld and Vice President Dick Cheney. Cheney was the first Bush's SOD, and he named the unassuming H. Lawrence Garrett III, undersecretary to Webb, his navy secretary, confident, as Vistica explained, that the admirals would make sure that he did not become another Lehman. (p. 283)

It was only the terrible miscalculations by the Bush White House in the events leading up to the 9/11 attacks - what the stunned American public finally forced an inquiry into - which resulted in Lehman being called back as a member of the commission where he was obviously to help cover up the mess. The appointment seemed like another example of using a politician with a most controversial record to stop further controversy. Even so, it required more to even get Lehman named to the 9/11 Commission as former Republican Senator Majority Leader Trent Lott sneaked his appointment by critics while the country was invovled in disputing his claims about the dubiety of desegregation on the 25th anniversary of Martin Luther King's assassination - what forced the outspoken Mississippian's replacement.

So what were Lehman's problems?

They seem to have been the result, strangely enough, of his rabid anti-communism, one so virulent that it went far beyond just sacking de´tente with the Soviets. Lehman's anti-communism exceeded that of other Republican hawks like Henry Kissinger, Al Haig, and Robert McFarlane. For Lehman, no other concern was worthy of serious consideration when it came to getting rid of communism, and its apparent supporters, as fast as possible, and without any restrictions. Lehman truly believed that it was better to be dead than run the slightest risk of being red.

Thanks to his upper-middle class, Catholic upbringing in Philadelphia, his ideological antipathy to anything even smacking of socialism was almost pathological. "His aunt was Princess Grace of Monaco." (Vistica, p. 19) Lehman attended parochial schools in the city, and graduated from its Jesuit St. Joseph's College where he worked for the causes that Catholic conservative William Buckley was noted for at Yale Lehman's first act as navy secretary was no accident - to name a new attack submarine the Corpus Christi, "the body of Christ", to indicate the Church's going to war with the hated infidel - touching off a controversay even within the Church which Reagan had to settle by connecting the name to the secular city in Texas.

Thanks to getting to know Georgetown Professor Richard Allen while doing his graduate work, having met him while chairing a conference on arms control, something Lehman loathed, he was appointed to the Nixon National Security Council. While serving on it, Lehman took advantage of the completely politicized environment in which Washington's national security policy-making was conducted, developing more than a healthy disrespect for the efforts by his superior which he compounded by his antics as a pilot while serving in the naval reserve - what George W. Bush took to heart when he became President. Lehman became completely indoctrinated with the new Republican ethos by joining the ultra conservative Catholic organization, the Knights of Malta, which included Haig, Allen, McFarlane, and DCI William Casey among its membership. By the time Reagan appointed him navy secretary, Lehman was more than ready to take command of the seas.

Washington was in greater flux then than at any other time during the Cold War. Bolstered by the release of the American hostages in Teheran - what the new President conveniently arranged for his inauguration by bribes that his Vice Presidential candidate George H. Bush and Allen paid to the Iranians - and yet still bitter about Soviet advances, especially in Afghanistan, during President Carter's watch, Lehman arranged for the President to delegate competely the conduct of the Navy's secret war against the Soviets to the Pentagon, and then managed to establish that its conduct was his responsibility, not that of either the admirals or SOD Caspar Weinberger.

On March 6, 1981, the leaders of the new administration were briefed by the Pentagon leadership with videos and slides that Lehman knew would be most effective with Reagan about the new maritime strategy that Rick Haver's Team Charlie was putting together, the SOD completing the process by getting the President to sign off in advance on all the sensitive espionage operations it would entail - tapping all communication cables Moscow relied upon, completing the sound surveillance system (SOSUS) so Washington would know the whereabouts of all Soviet shipping, provoking responses of all kinds by underwater and surface intrusions of the seas surrounding the Soviet Union to determine its counter strategies, mounting NATO exercises for offensive, defensive, and deceptive purposes, etc. (Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew, Blind Man's Bluff, p. 313ff.)

Back at the Pentagon, Lehman's legal adviser, Captain Ted Gordon, and Rear Admiral John Jenkins, the Navy's Judge Advocate General, prepared a file on the navy secretary's statutory powers, so that their boss could wield power away from CNO Thomas Hayward and the admirals. "The secretary of the Navy," Vistica wrote, not the admirals, or the SOD, "was king of the empire." (p. 94) Furthermore, the secretary, while he no longer had a seat in the Cabinet, was still the President's sole adviser on naval affairs, what Lehman did behind Weinberger's back, and to his increasing annoyance and anger. Lehman's broad, unprecedented interpretation of his powers would have a profound effect not only upon the Navy but also the whole world.

While historians have concentrated upon Lehman's use of the fleet, especially Admiral James "Ace" Lyons' efforts (Vistica, p. 105ff.), to challenge Soviet exercises, strategies, and facilities, and the submarine eavesdropping on Soviet naval communication cables in the Barents and Okhotsk Seas (Sontag and Drew, p. 222ff.), Lehman's direction of activities in the Baltic against the newly-establihed social democratic government of Olof Palme was more to the point - dangerous missions against a long-time neutral country which would cause an international uproar if discovered. Palme had long been a thorn in Washington's side by his denunciation of its war in Vietnman, and his now comparing its operations against the Sandinistas in Nicaragua with the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan. Lehman wanted to find out if Palme was a Soviet stooge, what defectors Anatoli Golitsyn and Arkadi Shevchenko had long been claiming, and seemed to be increasingly likely after the Soviet Whiskey class submarine U-137 ran aground off Karlskrona in 1981.

The scene was set by the departing government of Thorbjorn Falldin inviting a contingent of American ships, the cruiser Belknap, the frigate Elmer Montgomery, and the supply ship Monongahela, to visit Stockholm in late September 1982, as Ola Tunander has comprehensively explained in Hårsfjärden. The Swedish Navy, especially Chief of Staff, Vice Admiral Bror Stefenson, justified the action as a test of whether the Soviets were violating territorial waters, thinking that Moscow might want to take advantage of the visit for operational purposes, what Stockholm organized Operation NOTVARP to determine.

Soon after the American surface ships left, there were all kinds of submarine sightings, involving four to six conventional submarines, perhaps even a Whiskey Class one, and at least one, perhaps three, midget ones. Their origin, though, should not have been a foregone conclusion as Washington had even bought a Whiskey sub from the Indonesian government. During the first three weeks of October, there was a protacted hunt for the underwater vessels which, according to Tunander, resulted in two or three of them, one seriously, being damaged. The sound signatures of the ships did not match Soviet ones either. The results would have been worse if the hunt had not been called off twice, apparently by Stefenson, in NATO's interest.

The submarines directly involved apparently included two of the American Sturgeon Class, most probably the USS Cavalla and USS Puffer, while the USS Guitarro and USS Bergall were standing by to assist further off shore. The deep-diving submersibles engaged were the Turtle, and probably Sea Cliff and NR-1. The reason why we know that most of these submariners were involved is because with the end of the Cold War, all the underwater warriors wanted to be recognized for their feats, leading to the publication of what awards they received, and when. (Sontag and Drew, Appendix C, U.S. Submarine Awards, pp. 415-35) British and West German submariners were also probably involved, though London was not contributing what it wanted because of the demands of the Falklands War.

While by most conventional standards, these intrusions into Swedish waters would be considered a failure, especially since one of the attack subs was seriously damaged, they determined that Stockholm would not take too seriously further intrusions, and whatever sightings were subsequently reported, the public would believe that they were Soviet ones, thanks to Henry Kissinger, Alexander Haig, and James Schlesinger claiming that Palme had showed statesmanship by allowing the damaged "Soviet" one to escape.

Still, the hawks in the West kept pressuring Palme about Soviet intrusions, especially after the Swedish Parliamentary Submarine Commission reported that there were six Soviet ones, obliging the statsminister to protest to Moscow about them. Lynn Hansen, in a paper prepared for the SOD in 1984, claimed that the Hårsfjärden intrusions were part of a Spetsnaz exercise, preparation for an invasion, like the Soviets had done five years before in Afghanistan. Right before Palme was assassinated, Edinburgh's Professor John Erickson, who had been an advisor of the Parliamentary Commission, and was an expert on Soviet inexorable advancement, reminded Swedes on television that Palme had negotiated the release of the "Soviet" submarine back in October 1982.

At the same time, Lehman and his people were perfecting the maritime strategy, what Moscow might do with its expanding naval forces, and what the West had to do to contain them - what gave the Pentagon insights into how to conduct a permissible first strike against the Soviets. While there were four scenarios about what might happen, only the last one is important for our purposes, a US offensive which stopped the Soviets before they even got started. Once US-led forces had knocked out Soviet submarine and air defenses in the Far North, asTunander had explained in Cold Water Politics, "one carrier battle group may seek shelter in Vestfjord in order to attack the Kola bases in concert with two carriers further north. The fourth carrier battle group is assumed to have sailed down into the North Sea to participate, should the conflict escalate to the Central Front." (p. 101)

While CNO James Watkins, a Lehman man when it came to strategies, thought that the Navy would have the outright capability to do this by the early 1990s ("Carrying the Fight to the Enemy" in "The Maritime Strategy," US Naval Institute Proceedings, January 1986 (Supplement), pp. 9-13), he overlooked, perhaps intentionally, how the time frame could be moved up by some surprises. The most important was the discovery that the Soviets could be devastatingly degraded as a nuclear power if their nuclear submarines, the boomers, were suddenly sunk on station by conventional means, what Joseph Nye elaborated upon in Nuclear Ethics, particularly to quiet Watkins' concerns about the conflict going nuclear almost immediately. This way there would be no innocent lives lost, helping induce Moscow to see that capitulation did not constitute a catastrophic defeat. This would permit the achievement of what Reagan always envisioned too - the triumph of good over evil without nuclear oblivion, Armageddon - the prospect of which induced him to scale down his rhetoric against the USSR. (Cannon, p. 247ff.)

In late August 1985, Lehman gained approval of his promotion slate, the so-called "twenty-four-star switch", which put his admirals in all the important operational slots. While the secretary's favorite, Lyons, became commander in chief Pacific, the immediately relevant advancements were of Admiral William Crowe to become Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, and submariner Admiral Carlisle Trost to head the newly created Atlantic command, what Lehman had originally wanted to give Lyons. (Vistica, pp. 189-90) These changes gave Lehman a red-tape free chain of command to effect dramatic actions at the drop of a hat, as was demonstrated two months later by the apprehension of the Leon Klinghofer's killers by F-14s from the USS Saratoga of Vice Admiral Frank Kelso's Sixth Fleet.

The last surprise, the most unexpected one, was Palme's refusal to let 80 HAWK missiles to be transshipped through Sweden by Lt. Colonel Oliver North's Enterprise on November 17th. The group that the NSC's point man had put together expected it to be agreed to as a matter of course, failing even to attempt to get the necessary clearance from Stockholm. In doing so, they ignored this election pledge of Palme:

Swedish territory is to be protected against incursions by all available means. Confidence in our will to protect our neutrality must be maintained. Neither fears, nor hopes should be created that Sweden should abandon its neutrality policy as a result of strong external pressure...We are determined to repel by all available means, all those who violate our territory, our air space or waters. (Quoted from Cold Water Politics, p. 118. N. b. that when Pentagon hawk Milton Leitenberg quoted this passage in his Soviet Submarine Operations in Swedish Waters 1980-1986, pp. 101-2, he interjected this passage into the statsminister's conculsion in case anyone thought the West could have been culpable: " ' Since the sharp diplomatic note sent to the Soviet Union in 1983, the underwater activity has still been carried out but' despite all our efforts it has been impossible to identify the nation or nations involved. Thus the prerequisites necessary for diplomatic actions to be taken against a particular state have not existed.")
To foreclose any possibility of such diplomatic action, North decided to have Palme killed, thanks to his increasing connections with London through SAS Major David Walker's KMS private security firm. North had been introduced to Walker by Lehman.

No sooner had the HAWK missile shipment ended in fiasco than Lehman was seeking congressional approval for an aggressive use of American attack submarines in the hope that it could provoke a final showdown with the Red Banner Fleet, resulting in the destruction of its crucial boomers on station, and ending the Cold War in a Warsaw Pact whimper. The Navy Secretary was especially wanting such a senario since he had had to accept the plea-bargain for John Walker's spy ring, preferring instead to have the ringleader literally drawn and quartered. For 17 years, this submarine Warrant Officer had supplied Moscow with key intelligence about American underwater operations. (Sontag and Drew, pp. 351-3) Thanks to Vitali Yurchenko's 'defection', Washington was not only able to make the case against Walker's people but also against National Security Agency (NSA) agent Ronald Pelton who told Moscow that Washington was also tapping its communication cable to the Sea of Okhotsk (code name Ivy Bells). (David Wise, Nightmover, p. 132ff.)

The day after Pelton was arrested, the Senate Intelligence Committee agreed to Lehman's request despite Maine Republican Senator William Cohen's reservations after it was revealed that the Chairman of Team Charlie, Rick Haver, had reported three years before that the program had probably been betrayed to the Soviets: "Cohen pressed on. Was it prudent, he wanted to know, to continue to operate the cable-tapping program, push it full tilt ahead, when there may have been a spy?" (Sontag and Drew, p. 355) While the Senators concluded that it probably wasn't, it was okay now since Pelton did not know about the tap on the cable in the Barents, and, consequently, the Soviets did not know either.

The result was the Navy sending a pack of at least a dozen gung-ho attack submarines, headed apparently by the USS Hyman Rickover, and including the all important USS Parche on its sixth trip back to the Barents (See ibid., Appendix C, pp. 426-7, and n. b. that there is no accounting for this trip in the book.), in the hope that it would provoke a crucial confrontation with their Soviet counterparts, leading to a fatal degrading of Moscow's deterrence.

While Lehman's submarines were moving into the Norwegian Sea - what NATO Admiral Wesley McDonald had obtained permission for in 1985 - London did everything it could to promote, and protect the operation. The biggest need was for Prime Minister Thatcher to get rid of maverick Secretary of Defence Michael Heseltine. While he had set up Defence Secretariat 19 in March 1983 to counter the Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament's support for Labour's unilateralist nuclear policy - what Palme wanted too - a task which got MI5 involved, and F Branch's Cathy Massiter complained about on Channel 4's 20/20 Vision program, MI5's Official Secrets, in March 1985 (Michael Smith, New Cloak, Old Dagger, pp. 67-8), Heseltine still seemed like a most risky heir apparent at the MOD if its operations with the Security Service's help became even more questionable legally, and controversial politically.

In December 1985, when the government seemed teetering on collapse, opening the door apparently for Neil Kinnock's unilateralists,Thatcher forced Heseltine's resignation, and that of Leon Brittan, who had acknowledged while Home Secretary that MI5's pursuit of subversives was getting out of hand, by suddenly chosing Sikorsky, the American helicopter producer, to rescue Westland Helicopters rather than a European consortium of Swedish, German, and British suppliers that Heseltine had put together. (Private Eye, Jan. 24, 1986, p. 7) Brittan, who favored Sikorsky, had been obliged to resign as Secretary of State for Trade and Industry because it was his department which had leaked the Attorney General's letter of rebuke to Heseltine for resigning without first informing the Commons. (Alan Clark, Diaries, p. 132)

While it may have seemed much ado about nothing, it did have far-reaching consequences. For one thing, it put more pressure on Thatcher to act because of failing to sanction an American attack on Libya after Abu Nidal's massacres, thanks to weapons supplied by Manzer al-Kassar, at the Rome and Athens airports. Heseltine got his revenge by leading the unseating of the Prime Minister in 1990. In the interim, Thatcher was obliged to take advantage on the new lease on life, the European arms merchants going 'ape' over the growing tilt in America's favor.

The YGGRASIL arms cartel, including a Swedish delegation headed by Pieter Wallenberg, apparently topped the agenda for its January meeting in its Wiltshire country house with consideration of Palme's assassination (Operation Tree) because of his alleged agenda for his April meeting with CPSU General Secretary Michael Gorbachev - removal of signal intelligence devices to the Skagerack, and the closing down of the naval bases at Musko and Karlskrona (alleged minutes of NATO's Special Operations Planning Staff (SOPS), January 1986, supplied by Oswald Le Winter, former Chief of NATO's Intelligence Tactical Assessment Centre) - what MI6 claimed to have stolen from his office in Rosenbad, and CIA station chief in Stockholm, Jenonne Walker, had conveniently discussed with most disgruntled Swedish naval officers at a Christmas cocktail party at the Embassy.

While many doubt the authenticity of the SOPS minutes, especially because of Le Winter's most questionable reliability, they seem accurate, particularly since Le Winter has claimed that they show that SOPS gave the go-ahead for the assassination. Actually, they only show American and British representatives attempting to hijack the meeting for this purpose:

Current status of above makes it imperative that operation Tree be carried out successfully. SOPS has been assured that arms length will be maintained to ensure deniability. Project management is local, technicians imported. SOPS requires details to be kept fully compartmented on need to know basis. The Dutch representative then protested what the American and British representatives were attempting, claiming that the relation between NATO's secret structure to coordinate action by Stay-Behind forces in case of a Soviet attack, and the YGGDRASIL group was completely informal, and not recognized in any way by the member countries. The chairman then polled all the representatives, unanimously confirming what the Dutch representative had claimed.

The American, and British representatives persisted in making the case that SOPS assume joint responsibility for the operation. Le Winter claimed in an editorial note that the bivalent position that it adopted on the possible assassination represented a hierarchical one. If bivalent means anything, it is a completely horizontal one where parity and independence of the parts is maintained. Then the British representative claimed that Palme had his own Contragate, shipping weapons grade uranium-235 to India by means of false country of origin certificates, what Christer Larsson had asserted in Ny Teknik, and Palme had long denied. (Chris Mosey, "Secret nuclear weapons row breaks in Sweden," The Observer, April 28, 1985, p. 17)

When the US representative got a chance, he not only supported what the British representative was claiming but also added that Palme's role in trying to settle the Iran-Iraq war was dubious too, apparently a reference to his stopping the weapons shipments to Teheran. Soon the complaints against the statsminister for allegedly helping the PKK, IRA, and Nelson Mandela's ANC became so vociferous that the British representative expressed concern about Britian's ability to maintain its sphere of influence in Scandinavia. The American member then said he would prepare a report for the meeting in February to detail Palme's alleged assistance of Moscow's interests in Angola and Namibia, inducing the Swedish delegation to assert, to the chairman's amazement, that Palme was a Soviet agent of influence, as defectors had universally claimed. (Anatoliy Golitsyn, New Lies for Old, p. 55ff.)

The purpose of the whole exercise was to give an aura of NATO approval for all that London and Washington had planned for the statsminister in Stockholm, and the Soviets at sea. To complement the thrust that American attack submarines were carrying out in the Barents, Washington, it seems, had the USS Seawolf lead a contingent of submarines, including the deep-diving submersible NR-1, and the missile submarine USS Sam Houston converted to carry Navy SEALS into the Baltic (Sontag and Drew, pp. 427-35), to give the impression that Moscow planned to follow up Palme's murder what an invasion of Sweden, what these same subs would exploit with devastating results once the Russian ruse, it seems, was exposed. To give the ruse greater credibility, British Oberon class subs, outfitted with Special Boat Service forces, went around the Baltic, and down Sweden's east coast (Hårsfjärden, p. 305ff.), to give Stockholm the impression that they were Soviet attacks submarines, moving into position for an assault on Swedish installations.

While the submarines were moving into place, Washington concentrated upon preparing the public for the showdown, something more than simply a bolt from the blue. The centerpiece of this propaganda was the January 1986 Supplement of US Naval Institute Proceedings which amounted to a White Paper for degrading the Soviet nuclear deterrent. For Lehman, scenario four pinpointed Soviet weakness, calling for a first strike no matter what they did. ("The 600-Ship Navy," vol. 112, no.1, pp. 30-40) CNO Watkins provided the most authoritative source on the maritime strategy (Cold War Politics, pp. 70-1), concluding that American attack submarines would start sinking Soviet boomers within five minustes, anytime Moscow carried out another suprise attack, as it had in Afghanistan. Marine Commandant P. X. Kelley promised Normandy-type assaults from the North Cape to the eastern Baltic if the Soviets started something.

The fact that dangerous operations were afoot did not escape everyone's notice. For example, no sooner did the Boston Globe read Watkins' article than it compared him to the swashbucking Admiral John Dewey at Manila in 1898. For the benefit of Lehman's attack submarine captains, it added: "Yet since the skipper in the underwater combat cannot tell whether the sub he is chasing carries anti-ship torpedoes or nuclear missiles, he might sink both." ("A plan to win a war," Jan. 11, 1986, 18-1-E) Seth Cropsey, Lehman's deputy undersecretary, was not dissuaded by such wimpish drivel: "Do the military experts at the Globe have another idea - besides victory - of what we should aim for if we find ourselves in a war at sea? Would the Globe be happy with a tie, for instance?" (Feb. 6, 1986, 14-5) Nor was Watkins, as he explained to readers of The Times two days before the statsminister's shooting:

But if they (the sub skippers) can do this within three minutes during a conventional war, they can also do it out of the blue in peacefime. Keeping your opponent in your sights, being able to knock the weapon from his hand the moment he moves, may in some circumstances feel good. But what will be the Soviet reaction to this new explicit state of affairs? (Wayland Kennet, "Crisis under the Ice," Feb. 26, 1986, p. 14) The CNO was confident that the Soviets would throw in the sponge as a result.

In fact, the ruse about Russian offensive ambitions was so successful that the West had Stockholm eating out of its hands by the time the assassination actually took place. Washington believed that it would have comprehensive, mole-free intelligence of Soviet readiness on land, sea, and in the air, and how it reacted to any showdown, starting with photgraphs from the spy satellite, KH-11, explaining why DCI Casey was so paranoid about its existence just before the assassination that Pentagon employee Samuel Morrison was successfully prosecuted for publishing its picture of a Soviet aircraft carrier being built in a Black Sea shipyard in Jane's Defence Weekly (Angus Mackenzie, Secrets, pp. 135-41), and why Thatcher was similarly inclined towards Duncan Campbell after the Stockholm shooting. (Mark Urban, UK Eyes Alpha, pp. 56-61) Besides its double agents, especially Valeri Marytov, Sergei Motorin, and Boris Yuzhin, in the USSR, the CIA had a miniaturized version of the sea cable tap placed on an important communication cable in Moscow (Sontag and Drew, note, p. 309), and had a cargo container, filled with electronic sensors to monitor the slightest sound, travelling westward across the USSR from Vladivostock on the Trans-Siberian railroad. (Operation ABSORB). (Pete Earley, Confessions of a Spy, p. 197)

When the Challenger disaster prevented NSA from putting up a new MAGNUM satellite "...to intercept Soviet missile test signals (telemetry), and data-links as well as microwaves" (Urban p. 59), and the British super spy ship HMS Challenger threatened to break down again (ibid., p. 247), the Swedish Navy came to the rescue, supplying its new spy ship, Orion, which could monitor Soviet military activites in the eastern Baltic. More important, it came with US intelligence personnel on board, and Swedish intelligence officers putting a priority on reconnaissance against Soviet low-level air defence systems, its SA-10s intended to be used against US air-launched cruise missiles, and low-flying B-1 bombers, what its previous captain, Commander Björn Eklind, a veteran of the 1982 sub-hunt, had refused. (Hårsfjärden, pp. 227-9) Navy Chief of Staff Bror Stefenson apparently cooked up a case against Eklind for having behaved provocatively with a Soviet destroyer while following a Kilo class submarine, forcing his early retirement a month before the assassination.

With the scene set for the Stockholm shooting to trigger a showdown with the Soviets in Scandinavia's surrounding seas, we must not overlook that Moscow was completely prepared for the crisis, thanks particularly to the spying by the Agency's Aldrich "Rick" Ames, and the Bureau's Robert Hanssen. Now Oleg Gordievsky briefed the former about the timing of the statsminister's shooting, and the latter had allowed the former to rush without proper authorization to his Soviet handler, Viktor Cherkashin, in the Embassy in Washington on February 14th with the message. In fact, when the crisis passed without mishap, Cherkashin, and six other leading KGB counterintelligence officials were awarded in an unprecedented ceremony at Yasnevo the Order of Lenin by the head of its FCD, Vladimir Kryuchkov, who was well on his way to becoming its first KGB Chief. (Wise, note, p. 327)

London and Washington still thought that they were on top of everything, arranging the arrest of a Soviet arms supplier, US Navy Commander John Bothwell, a week later in Bath, and the defection in Athens of KGB Colonel Viktor Gundarev, a Courtship agent, who worked with not only him but also the vastly undervalued 'defector' Yurchenko. (Ronald Ostrow and Tyler Marshall, "Defection of KGB official linked to arrest of American in Britain," Boston Globe, Feb. 22, 1986, p. 3) Bothwell apparently knew about SOPS and YGGDRASIL deliberations about killing Palme, but he was arrested before he could pass on the latest details to his Soviet contact.

By this time, Moscow had completely absorbed Operation ABSORB, and Ames had even tipped off the Soviets about the tap on the Moscow telephone cable. (Sontag and Drew, op cit.) Unknown to the West, the Soviets also had 82 nuclear-armed SS-23 missiles in East Germany, and the USSR (Urban, p. 290) under the command of Marshal Nicholai Ogarkov, eager to make amends for shooting down KAL 007. The over-confident contingent to Brixmis in East Germany, the 200 British personnel to insure compliance with the Four-Power Agreement, had overlooked their existence (Ken Connor Ghost Force, p. 430ff., and Urban, pp. 79-80), and their surpirse contribution to an escalating East-West showdown would have been devastating. In sum, KGB Chief Victor Chebrikov knew what he was talking about when he unprecedentedly warned the West to back off from what it had planned on the morning to Palme's assassination. (Christopher Walker, "KGB reveals big swoop on state spies," The Times, March 1, 1986, p. 1)

Unfortunately, the warning went for naught, as the West was so eager for the showdown that it could hardly wait for the shots to ring out on Stockholm's Sveavägen. Chris Mosey, MI5's journalist on the scene, and a continuous source of stories about the statsminister being a Soviet stooge, was so eager to break the news to the world that he called up, it seems, the Rikskriminalpolisen to see if Palme had been shot before the police even knew it had happened (Kari & Pertti Poutianen, Inuti labyrinten - Om mordet på Olof Palme, pp. 152-4), claiming that he had heard about the assassination from Washington Post reporter Karen de Young, who allegedly said that she had already heard an ABC flash about the assassination. (See the incredible forward to Mosey's Servige och mordet på Olof Palme.) The reason for the hurry in getting out the news was, of course, so that the Soviets would then react in the anticipated ways.

Moscow did nothing to further the West's purposes, though, even closing down its KBG residency to prevent any bugged conversations or calls taking place, especially with convicted Soviet spy Stig Bergling. Nor did the CIA or the FBI receive any calls from its double agents, especially Motorin (Wise, pp. 256-7), indicating that the Soviets were behind the shooting, the Red Banner Fleet was caught completely off guard, and was rushing to fill the gap - what Marytnov and Yuzhin were expected to add. It was to be a replay of the Cuban Missile Crisis, arranged again by the CIA's Rodney Carlson, only this time the Soviet deterrent would be fatally degraded, and the double agents, followers of Oleg Penkovsky, would live to tell the tale, and take the credit.

With the Soviet boomers completely in position, either under the Arctic icepack, or in bastions protected by killer submarines, Lehman's attack subs were completely at a loss as to what to do, as the Globe's military experts had envisioned. Still, the Navy Secretary's timetable moved ahead, with a 10-man Marine team, led by Captain Steve Little, landing southwest of Tromsö in northern Norway (Task Force Eagle), to prepare the ground for American carrier groups, loaded with other Marines, moving in from the Atlantic. Further south at Narvik, 20,000 NATO troops were gathering as part of Anchor Express Exercise, waiting for another American carrier group to come up Vestfjorden. Without having eliminated the threat from Soviet submarines and airforces, NATO was gathering up its forces for a thrust across Finnmark to attack the Kola Peninsula (Operation Armageddeon). ("Avalanche kills 11 NATO soldiers on exercises above Arctic Circle," Boston Globe, March 6, 1986, p. 9)

Fortunately, the three American batttle groups never arrived. During the interim, the tent Little's men were in caught fire, burning three of the Marines. Anchor Express Exercise turned out to be a complete fiasco too, at least 16 Norwegian engineers being killed by an avlanache when its forces, despite warnings from the locals, moved into the dangerous Vassdalen Valley 16 miles northeast of Narvik. "As the death toll mounted and conditions worsened Nato's senior allied commanders met through the night in emergency session." (Tony Samstag, "Avalanche disaster stops Nato Exercise," The Times, March 7, 1986, p. 8) While Commander-in-Chief Frederick Bull-Hansen, who had been doing all he could to arrange a showdown with the Soviets, acted as if the dangerous conditions were unexpected; exercise leader Major General Martin Vadset ordered its go-ahead despite warnings that the conditions were more dangerous than enemy soldiers; and what the emergency was, no one explained, obliging the government to appoint an unprecedented comission under assize court judge Mrs. Agnes Haug to investigate the disaster. (Tony Samstag, "Norway angered by snow tragedy," The Times, March 10, 1986, p. 4) In the end, Heseltine's replacement at the MOD, George Younger, who had specially come over to help direct Anchor Express, had to settle for simply seeing a series of safer, smaller demonstrations.

Lehman's was not dissuaded by such setbacks, though, calling for Admiral Frank Kelso's intelligence-gathering ship Caron and the Aegis cruiser Yorktown to challenge the Soviet base at Sevastopol (Vistica, p. 214), and for yet another wave of attack submarines, led by Lehman's favorite, City of Corpus Christi, and including the USS Dace, Dallas, Jack, and Tullibee (Sontag and Drew, p. 427) into the Barents itself towards the Gremikha naval base in the hope of triggering a Moscow response. The Soviets kept their cool throughout, though, obliging former CNO Watkins ultimately to confess about the maritime strategy:

Their intelligence sources were good, and we wanted them to know how self-confident we were. That's the role it plays. It's not a matter of charging up there and shooting up a lot of ballistic missile submarines as being the goal to prevent them from even launching first strike. No. That's not the way they would deploy their submarine force, and not the way that we would deploy ours. (Quoted from Sontag and Drew, p. 480.)

The best corroboration of all this occurred when Lehman set about finding a replacement for Watkins as CNO. Once the Soviets had finally diverted Washington and London to attack Libya after its People's Bureau had been persuaded to blow up La Belle Discotheque in West Berlin on April 5th, what double agent Gennady Varenik had long claimed Moscow had contingency plans for (Earley, p. 194ff.), the Navy Secretary was adamant about Kelso, a very junior Vice Admiral, becoming the next CNO. (Vistica, p. 223) Trost didn't even express an interest in the position though he was most qualified, and the Atlantic Fleet commander. Lehman explained his opposition to the previously favored submariner thus: "You're insufficiently compliant." "You're just another fucking Boy Scout." (Quoted from Vistica, p. 224.) Lehman even threatened to resign if he didn't get his way on the appointment. Trost, thanks to his relation with NSA Vice Admiral John Poindexter, who was finally getting the message about what Lehman, North, and Major David Walker had been up to, ended up getting the position, but the Navy Secretary decided to stay on.

While Lehman wanted to act as if Trost's mutiny over the handling to Task Force Eagle had never occurred, treating promotions in the conventional way when they were due, Trost would have none of it. According to Lehman, the NCO wanted an unprecedented 80% of the submariners promoted from commander to captain, while only 55% for the favored commanders in the surface fleet, and in the air. (p. 418) Of course, Trost wanted to reward the commanders undersea who had had such a difficult time in the build-up of Operation Armageddon, and who could not be recognized in an other way. When Trost again got his way with Weinberger, Lehman again threatened to retire, and this time it was accepted. (pp. 247-8)

Once Lehman finally left the Pentagon,Trost gave an unprecedented interview with a reporter from the Cox News Service, introducing his complaints of the autocratic, cocksure Secretary thus: "John Lehman was not a balanced human being." (Quoted from Vistica, p. 252.)

The denouement of the whole process occurred when Trost finally met his Soviet opponents, Marshal Sergei Akhromeyev, and Admiral K. A. Makarov, during the showdown in another meeting at the Pentagon in December 1987. The NCO had already tried to reassure them by issuing "Looking Beyond the Maritime Strategy" in the January 1987 issue of Proceedings, explaining that it really was just a strategy, and not a secret operational plan to catch the Soviets off guard in some showdown. No sooner did Akhromeyev spot Trost than he exclaimed: "You, you're the problem." (Quoted from Sontag and Drew, p. 367.)

While Trost tried to calm the Soviet Chief of Staff down, explaining that he was not the problem, Rick Haver of Team Charlie, and Admiral Kinnaird McKee, a former captain of the USS Dace, tried to make small talk with Makarov, but he would have none of it. Haver heard Makarov's translator identify him with the CIA, and the Commander of the Red Banner Fleet had something to add when McKee referred to the Dace's high-jinks in 1968 at his expense. Makarov could not pass up reference to another patrol, apparently the one in March 1986, when he was following the Dace, and "...that he had known it was the Dace even then." (Ibid.) When Haver tried to discuss the matter further, Makarov cut him off coldly, and when he persisted, Makarov blurted out: "Tell this young man that when veterans get together, it doesn't matter who won or lost. It's enough that both survived."

Without the spying of Ames and Hanssen, Trost's insubordination, and a predictable assist from the Norwegian winter, though, no one might have. As it was, only Palme, and about 40 Norwegian soldiers, Soviet double agents, and Northern Ireland scapegoats were murdered. No wonder that even the hawks in Washington have had it with Lehman.

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That's all for you dipsticks - persons who never seek any truth while hiding behind some user name and pompous nonsense - for today. Stay tuned, as I shall have some more information for you empty critters, tomorrow!

Posted by: Jimmy 23.Feb.2011, 08:40 PM

Stopped after reading the 3rd and 4th lines.

They said it all

Posted by: CTIDinÅrsta 23.Feb.2011, 09:06 PM

If anyone actually bothers to read it all can they tell me if it has got any hobbits in it.

Posted by: Jamtjim 23.Feb.2011, 09:17 PM

Definition:

How NATO Almost Triggered Armageddon;

7081 words of utter unadulterated bollocks.

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That's all for you dipsticks - persons who never seek any truth while hiding behind some user name and pompous nonsense - for today. Stay tuned, as I shall have some more information for you empty critters, tomorrow!

Definition:

Truth;

A vague concept in Trowish conspirispeak encompassing elements such as delusion, self importance, supposition and dishonesty.

Information;

Trowish word for fiction. Not to be confused with the English word which, whilst spelled identically, means the diametric opposite.

Posted by: duogrn 23.Feb.2011, 09:44 PM

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... 7081 words ...

While Jamtjim works on Trowbridgeaurus, can Trow give us an abstract up to 140 words on the Palme assassination?

Posted by: Vetinari 23.Feb.2011, 10:23 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 23.Feb.2011, 08:34 PM) *
Righto, how about this, check!:

How NATO Almost Triggered Armageddon
by
Trowbridge H. Ford

[edited out because of obnoxious length without a point by Vetinari]

That's all for you dipsticks - persons who never seek any truth while hiding behind some user name and pompous nonsense - for today. Stay tuned, as I shall have some more information for you empty critters, tomorrow!

A novel only barely mentioning a possible reason for the Palme assassination - what is still nothing but conjecture until we find the killer.

But it looks like Trow has learned something from our criticism - what is the complete and utter disassembly of his earlier theories, as he now connects claims to quotes instead of just saying they are true - what should be an abomination for a former college professor - what trow apparently claims to be.

And someone who thinks spam messages are hidden secrets would have problems understanding the reasons behind not giving out personal information on the internet - what everyone else knows.

But I disagree with Trow, we have done nothing but search for the truth - what we do by asking questions, asking for clarifications, asking for proof. The problem is that the truth in Trowspiracies often have to take a backseat to the Trowth - what he covers up with claims that red shirts are not red, denial of his own statements, that spam messages are covert encouragements from secret operatives, and that everything that happens to him are failed assassination plots - what he then wraps in a blanket of insults.

Posted by: Guest 23.Feb.2011, 10:43 PM

Palme, suspected on being a communist agent, got on Washington's hit list by stopping a shipment of 80 HAWK missiles to Tehran from Israel, resulting in Reagan having to sign an impeachable approval of it - what Ollie North thought he could cover up by triggering a non-nuclear solution to the Cold War at the statsminister's expense, and then Navy Secretary Lehman degrading the Soviet underwater deterrent by sinking their nuclear ones when they went on station in the response to the surprise. Lehman's friend former SAS Major David Walker's firm KSM would supply the assassin, Captain Simon Hayward, while his team was reassessing Palme's inadequate security. NATO would then clean up Soviet land forces in the far North by its forces in Anchor Express Exercise being coopted by America's Task Force Eagle which would land at three locations in Norway, and blocking any Soviet forces invading Sweden.

'leaves counting to Jimmy's specialty'

P. s. Vetinari, I wrote this article in 2004, as I recall, so just get over yourself!

Posted by: Vetinari 23.Feb.2011, 10:45 PM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 23.Feb.2011, 08:25 PM) *
Can anyone else aid me in my task to compile the worlds first Trowbridgeaurus?

Trowth:

1.
Noun.

Prmary Definition: The conclusion of every Trowspiracy.
Secondary defintion: Every claim made in a Trowspiracy.
Tertiary Defintion: The feeling a rational thinker is overcome with once he or she applies rational thinking in bringing down a Trowth ( The Trowth shall make ye fret)

Argumentative properties: Trowths are by definition unassailable by logic, physics, and probabilities. Any attempts to use logic, physics, facts, or probabilities to disprove a Trowth will render the assailant into a 'dipstick' and thereby make his or her claims unnecessary to counter by the utterer of a Trowth. A Trowth, once uttered, will remain valid regardless of facts brought against it, making it decidedly different from its lesser cousin: The Truth

Quantum properties: When one Trowth contradicts another Trowth, as can happen when a Trowspiracy is defended against rational thinking, both Trowths display a very real example of a quantum uncertainty principle as they are both valid and invalid, and not in any way contradictory all at the same time.

Posted by: Vetinari 23.Feb.2011, 10:49 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 23.Feb.2011, 10:43 PM) *
P. s. Vetinari, I wrote this article in 2004, as I recall, so just get over yourself!


You first...

Posted by: duogrn 24.Feb.2011, 01:13 AM

There's a quite interesting documentary http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-u35UBC60s on Youtube. (It hashttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L-u35UBC60s&playnext=1&list=PLA5B46E076B5FA631 parts. )

"This documentary followed a forbidden trail in the investiagtion, which could explain most of the questions and why the investigation is labeled the worst in history."

Posted by: duogrn 24.Feb.2011, 08:12 AM

@Jamtjim

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Can anyone else aid me in my task to compile the worlds first Trowbridgeaurus?

As much as I like the idea of Trowbridgeaurus , by borrowing the notion from "Darwin's Rottweiler" ( given the dog topic in the other thread .. hence this use ) on "What matters is that we give them recognition by bothering to argue with them in public... ", are we giving Trow too much attention wink.gif ?

But still tongue.gif the definitions for Trowbridgeaurus, Trowish, Dipstick, Disinformation, Truth, Information ... are funny !

QUOTE
short cut Ctrl-Shift 911

Hmm, given its all time usage, 411 sounds likely too ... assuming Trow does ask ..

@Vetinari
Trowth is a good one !

Posted by: Guest 24.Feb.2011, 08:20 AM

No more useless than your videos about the Palme assassination, featuring leading looney Professor Leif GW Persson, the guy who thinks that everyone, starting with Christer Pettersson, could have done it except the person who did.

As for your Trowish et al. interests, I like the e-mail I received from Trowadeath about unemployment in Germany. You weren't up all night, were you?

Posted by: duogrn 24.Feb.2011, 09:19 AM

The documentary is convincing at explaining "why the investigation is labeled the worst in history." with verifiable accounts from real people, at least.

Posted by: big5 24.Feb.2011, 12:33 PM

Leif GW is normally right on the money, but his opinions are worthless when it comes to Palme or top Social Democrats. Leif GW is very tight with the Social Democratic power elite and Palme clouds his judgement.

Posted by: Guest 24.Feb.2011, 01:26 PM

Here is my article on the chief plotter of the Palme conspiracy, Ollie North:

The NSC 's Lt. Colonel Oliver North:
From Key Operative to Iran-Contra Scapegoat
by
Trowbridge H. Ford

When a C-123K supply plane loaded with lethal weapons, allegedly belonging to a Pennsylvania company, Corporate Air Services, was shot down over Nicaragua on October 6, 1986, killing pilots William Cooper and Wallace Sawyer, and the CIA's cargo-kicker Eugene Hasenfus was taken prisoner by the Sandinistas, the Reagan administration's, and the Thatcher government's crucial covert operations threatened to be exposed, a record which risked the President and the Prime Minister being removed from office, and many of their most important subordinates going to prison.
Actually, the plane was part of the fleet that retired Air Force Major General Richard Secord had put together for Lt. Colonel Oliver North's effort in the National Security Council (NSC) to supply support for the Contras against the regime in Managua, and the Mujahideen against the Soviets in Afghanistan from the illicit profits of prohibited weapon sales to Teheran in the hope gaining release of hostages held by Hezbollah in Lebanon. The Enterprise consortium was composed of arms dealers, intelligence agents, mercenaries, and the like - what the CIA, Mossad, and others had helped put together to make up for congressional cutoff of funds, culminating in the Boland Amendments, which required North to take over its management because of prohibitions of Agency participation.
Any serious investigation of it would have led to international arms dealers like Syria's Manzer al-Kassar, Saudi petrobillionaire Adnan Khashoggi, Iranian wheeler-dealer Albert Hakim, former SAVAK (the Shah's intelligence service) informant, and go-between with its successor Manucher Ghorbanifar, Britain's private security expert, and entrepreneur Major David Walker, and a wide collection of Israelis, especially arms dealer Al Schwimmer, Aman's (Israeli military intelligence) Yaccov Nimrodi, Mossad fixer Rafi Eitan, and false record keeper Ari Ben-Menashe. "According to North," Tony Geraghty has written in The Bullet Catchers, "some of the resultant military action in Nicaragua - attacks on military aircraft - were farmed out to David Walker of KMS. If true, it was an interesting example of the 'seamless robe' of Anglo-American policy outside the Nato area." (p. 245)
Unfortunately, the claim was more than true, as the seamless web of cooperation between Washington and London within the NATO area included farming out operations to their respective navies, and to Walker's KMS too, backed up by assistance, and disinformation from CIA, MI6, and MI5. If these operations, especially the assassination of Olof Palme (Operation Tree), had been investigated, the trail of culpability would have gone right up through the Agency's Directorate of Operations to DCI William Casey, and to the Oval Office, while in London the Security Service's Director General Anthony Duff and the leading counterterrorist officials of MI5, especially DD Patrick Walker, and MI6, particularly Director of Requirements and Production Colin McColl, would have been in similar difficulty, thanks to Downing Street's direction by Cabinet Secretary Sir Robert Armstrong. The investigation would have heated up further when it was learned that Shimon Peres's counterterrorist expert Amiram Nir, along with assassination arrangers Felipe Vidal, Craig Williamson, and Michael Townley, were also involved.
Hasenfus was no simple crew member either. He worked for the Agency's Felix Rodriguez aka Max Gomez, friend and former subordinate in Vietnam of Vice President George Bush's national security adviser, Donald Gregg. Rodriguez, a veteran of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, helped track down, and murder Ernesto Che Guevara in Bolivia in 1967 (Jon Lee Anderson, Che Guevara, pp. 718-50), and was now working surreptitiously with the Agency's Central American task force chief Alan Fiers, and his subordinate Joseph Fernandez, station chief in Costa Rica, to assist Secord's supply efforts from El Salvador's Ilopango base. (Lawrence E. Walsh, Firewall, p. 79ff.) Gregg was providing backdoor, deniable oversight for operations.
Fiers had taken over the project after the congressional cutoff from Duane "Dewey" Clarridge, who became head of CIA's West European division of the operations directorate which was involved in all kinds of double-agent efforts (Operation Courtship) to prove that the Soviets were promoting and assisting terrorism from Central America across the North Altantic to Scandinavia, and down to Afghanistan. This ruse would ultimately justify North's countermeasures to go after targets from Castro's Cuba to the sources of growing neutralism in Europe, particularly on NATO's periphery, especially in Sweden. Fernandez's office in San Jose served as the communication link, thanks to NSA-supplied KL-43 encryption devices, between the Contra forces in the field, North's people in Washington, and arms shipments arranged by The Enterprise from Europe and the Middle East.
The whole operation had become even more complicated, and conspiratorial after a shipment of HAWK missiles in November 1985 from Israel to Iran had been prevented from being transshipped through a still officially unidentified European country, where it was to pick up more weapons, because of opposition by its government, leading to a fiasco invovling Portugal which ultimately obliged Clarridge, and CIA to officially supply the needed transport, what required President Reagan to sign an ex post facto presidential finding two weeks later to authorize the action which was then compounded by the White House's failure to inform Congress of its existence.
A month later, on January 6th, Reagan was persuaded by North alone to expand the arms sale operation by getting the CIA, and unspecified "third countries" directly involved so the hardliners in Teheran could be overthrown (Walsh, p. 45) while radically changing the strategic balance with the USSR (Operation Armageddon), what resulted in signing National Secuirty Decision Directive NSDD-207 which strenghtened the operational capability of the Restricted Interagency Group's Operations Sub-Group (OSG), now composed of counterterrorism hardliners Charles Allen from CIA, Oliver "Buck" Revell from FBI, the Pentagon's Noel Koch, Lt. Gen. John Moellering from the Joint Chiefs, and the State Department's Robert Oakley, to include 'neutralizing' terrorists which had been been denied when it was created in April 1984. (Robert Woodward, Veil: The Secret Wars of the CIA 1981-1987, pp. 361-2) To run this secret network which even had its own "FLASH" communication system which bypassed all normal ones, North was given the Office to Combat Terrorism, assisted by fellow Annapolis graduate Robert Earl and Craig Coy from Bush's Task Force on Combating Terrorism.
North seemed like a most unlikely candidate for the position, but he had just the right qualifications, qualities, and connections that the situation called for. He had joined the staff of National Security Adviser (NSA) Richard Allen, working in the Latin American section, because he had caught the eye of the new Navy Secretary, John Lehman, Jr., by recommending in an article the use of battleships in the new Maritime Strategy against the Soviets while serving as a instructor at the Naval War College. (Gregory L. Vistica, Fall from Glory: Men Who Sank the U.S. Navy, p. 116) While North was serving well in Vietnam, starting in 1968, as a flamboyant, can-do platoon leader in a dying cause, winning the Silver Star for valor, he developed briefing skills (Robert Timberg, The Nightingale's Song, pp. 149-50), the sine qua non for uniformed officers seeking policy-making positions, as General Alexander M. Haig, Jr.'s career had demonstrated. North's field of operations vastly expanded when fellow Annapolis graduates Robert McFarlane followed Haig's lead to become NSA after William Clark, Allen's replacement, left, and John Poindexter worked up its ranks from military aide, as Haig had, to become his assistant.
McFarlane put together an aggressive foreign policy, scuttling de´tente, from what Haig had been attempting in the Caribbean and South America over the protests of Britain, Lehman was seeking around the northern periphery of the Soviet Union despite the reluctance of Europe and NATO, and the CIA was promoting in the Middle East and Afghanistan inspite of opposition by terrorists and Arab states.
In the wake of the Falklands War, McFarlane, taking advantage of the contacts he had made while working at State, wanted to put the struggle with the USSR, as Downing Street desired, back on an East-West plane where NATO worked together in a coherent way, challenging the Soviets and their supporters on every front whether there was movement or not. The policy required putting together a Maritime Strategy which would take advantage of the West's growing naval superiority, thanks to Lehman's pursuit of a 600-ship navy, by responding to any presumed Soviet land threats with naval surface and underwater actions on the periphery, particularly in the Barents and Baltic Seas.
The new troublespots were Olof Palme's Sweden, Ayatollah Khomeini's Iran, and Muammar Qaddafi's Libya. Sweden's new statsminister was particularly troubling because of his claims that he could act as mediator across the board while holding the Soviets at bay in the Baltic, a position apparently belied by his equating American intervention in Nicaragua with that of the Soviets in Afghanistan. Chris Mosey, in Cruel Awakening: Sweden and the Killing of Olof Palme, compared his efforts for the Sandinistas, the first European head of government to visit Managua, with what he had done against the Americans in Vietnam (pp. 142-3), the ultimate red flag for the new team in the White House. Soviet defector Anatoliy Golitsyn claimed in New Lies for Old that Palme was working hand in glove with KGB terrorists to promote Eurocommunism. (p. 349ff.) According to Robert Timberg, even the slightest suggestion of such a nightingale's song would revive all the bitter Vietnam memories of the veterans now running the White House's Situation Room. (p. 16ff.)
When Clarridge left Central America for Europe in 1984, the plight of the Contras was desperate. Cut off from weapon assistance by Washington officialdom, and reduced to meager humanitarian aid, North felt obliged because of his experience in Vietnam to do whatever was necessary to see that they had the necessary funds, means, and expertise to defeat the Sandinistas. While much has been said about his operations to sell arms for illegally obtained profits to help the Contras (See, e. g., Walsh, p. 197ff.), little could be expected from them if they were not made into an effective fighting force, what required real leadership and training in guerrilla warfare. This had been explicitly denied by the allegedly timid Agency DD John McMahon the previous April when North sought passage of National Security Decision Directive 138, a prohibition still cast in doubt when the Associated Press, and The New York Times announced in October that the Contras had been receiving a CIA primer on how to kill Sandinistas. (Woodward, Veil, p. 388)
To get around this continuing difficulty, North enlisted the services of Major David Walker who he was introduced to by the Navy Secretary, probably at one of Lehman's famous parties on his barge in the Potomac. Lehman and Walker had attended Cambridge University together, and the former Special Air Service (SAS) officer was now running KMS aka Kini Mini Services, and Saladin companies which provided skills any gamekeeper or poacher could require. In 1975, KMS had been contracted by the Foreign Office to protect vulnerable diplomats, thanks to MI5's advice, especially in Dublin after the IRA assassination of the British Ambassador, Christopher Ewart-Biggs, where use of the SAS was excluded. KMS's role was replaced by the new Thatcher Government in reaction to the assassination of Airey Neave by the Royal Military Police.
KMS revived its gamekeeping function, though, even with the help to regular serving officers, for the Foreign Office during the Falklands War, as was graphically demostrated in Washington in 1984 when an arriving Saudi Prince saw a KMS officer come quickly to his aid after the leader of the State Department's protection team lost his ability to do so when his belt supporting all his equipment embarrassingly broke as the minister was descending the ramp. (Geraghty, p. 8) KMS bogyguards came armed, and fully prepared to use their weapons. The marriage of Anglo-Amereican counterterrorist forces was made even closer by the IRA's Patrick Magee's near successful attempt to assassinate Prime Minister Thatcher, what Reagan had experienced three years earlier at the hands of John Hinckley, Jr., by blowing up Brighton's Grand Hotel on October 16th. (Peter Taylor, Brits: The War Against the IRA, pp. 265-6)
To employ Walker's companies, North called upon McFarlane to see that FBI Director William Webster approved their use without the usual checks about their reliability and accountability. (North's Top Secret memo, "Assistance for the Nicaragua Resistance," Dec. 4, 1984) Dr. David Owen, when he was Foreign Secretary for Harold Wilson's Labour Government, was so dissatisfied by the KMS role in Yemen that he attempted to prevent it from getting the FCO contract. (Geraghty, p. 210) According to SAS veteran Ken Connor, KMS got started in Aden during Operation Nina in which SAS Fijians and British Arabists, who could pass for natives, went undercover in its warren of streets and back alleys to search out targets of opportunity in a guerrilla war, the precursor of what the 14 Intelligence Company did later in Northern Ireland. (Ghost Force, pp. 195-6)
In this context, KMS fitted its Swahili meaning - an unseen movement by a snake in the grass. James Callaghan, when he replaced the beleaguered Wilson, was so convinced that MI5 was behind his downfall because of its role in contracting KMS that he saw any so-called improvement in security as a potential threat, mistaking, Geraghty explained,"...the politically loyal Special Branch protection team with the maverick spirits of military counter espionage." (pp. 157-8) About who these spirits might be, Geraghty discussed the so-called 'shoot-to-kill' murders in South Armagh in the fall of 1982 as a "...policy of counter-assassination, instead of operating within the law." (p. 167)
Geraghty added, thanks to the insights by a counterterrorist officer who knew KMS operations well, the plight its trained bodyguards had caused the Presidents of North Yemen during the 1970s when they allowed him and his brother to run off with two beautiful French whores without protection, leading to their assassinations on the way back to Sana'a, and his successor's bodyguards failing prey to the "double bluff" ploy when the President of South Yemen sent two briefcases of presents, one stashed with American money which was embarrassingly opened in public, and the next one somewhat later with 5 pounds of plastic explosive which exploded in private with devastating results. (p. 277)
Walker's companies, given their leadership, expertise, and contacts, were instrumental in turning around the Contras' efforts during 1985. On March 6th, right after Saudia Arabia doubled its monthly cash contribution to the Contras, Walker's people blew up the main Sandinista military depot in downtown Managua for a $50,000 fee, and followed up by clearing the mines protecting the port facilities at Puerto Cabezas, where Soviet and Cuban assistance was arriving, so that it could be attacked. While Walker's Saladin firm was helping train the Contras into an expanded, effective guerrrilla force, his specal teams attacked Sandino airport, as Walker had recommended, destroying the recently received Soviet HIND-D helicopters on the ground, and its maintenance facilities. In fact, the demands on Walker's companies were so great that his mercenaries Peter Glibbery and John Davies were openly recruiting 40 ex-British Army volunteers in London during May to expand the Contras' war. (Nick Davies and Jonathan Foster, "British dogs of war recruited to fight in Nicaragua," The Observer, May 26, 1985, p. 1)
This permitted North to carry his war with Marxism further afield. When 234 Marines were blown up in Lebanon on October 23, 1983, recalling the defeats in Vietnam, North had helped organize with McFarlane and Lehman two days later the invasion of the Commonwealth's Grenada by 6,000 Marines to rescue it, especially its 1,000 Americans, from the grip of Maurice Bishop's 600 allegedly rampaging communists. A year later, when Abu Abbas's Palestinian terrorists seized the Achille Lauro cruise liner in the Mediterranean, murdering an invalid Jew, Leon Kilinghofer, with al-Kassar provided weapons in the process (Peter Dale Scott and Jonathan Marshall, Cocaine Politics, p. 16), North pushed successfully the idea of the Navy hijacking them as they made their escape to Tunisia on EgyptAir flight 2843, a plan calling for the use of F-14s from the USS Saratoga of Admiral Frank Kelso's Sixth Fleet, reminiscent of how the Navy had disposed of Japanese Admiral Yamamoto over Truk during WWII. (Vistica, pp. 219-20) It was the success of this red-tape free operation which led Reagan to utter his now famous one-liner: "You can run, but you can't hide."
North moved immediately to put this capability on a worldwide basis at Palme's expense, the statsminister having retained power, with the help of the Swedish communists, in the fall general election despite all the negative predictions and propaganda. The Enterprise, whose manager David Kimche, the former director general of Israel's Foreign Ministry, had provided Iran with tons of US tanks, Katysha rockets, air-to-air missiles, artillery shells, rifle rounds, and the like from six countries, including Sweden, thanks to the false end user certificates Ben-Menashe had supplied, had its management expanded to include Major Walker, and former CIA operative Miles Copeland (Gordon Thomas, Gideon's Spies: The Secret History of the Mossad, p. 141), upsetting the "sweet operation" in the NSC that Kimche had been carrying on with Eitan since 1981.
Walker's KMS had carried out all kinds of "wet affairs" for the Israelis - e. g., the assassination of Arafat's moderate negotiator Said Hammami in his London office in January 1978. In 1987, Englishman Ian Davidson, a member of Arafat's Force 17 bodyguards who, it seems, had penetrated them for the Mossad, would apparently double as a poacher to kill cartoonist Ali-Adhami in a street in Chelsea for having the temerity to publish one of the PLO leader's latest mistress. (Geraghty, pp. 389-90) Both Walker and Copeland, because of their involvement in protecting the Shah, were similarly worried over their own safety because of their known role by the Khomeini regime (Connor, pp. 225-6), and were most eager to please the new leadership in Teheran.
To kills two birds with one stone, Secord arranged for 80 HAWK missiles to be shipped through Sweden on November 17th for the now desperate Iranians in their war with Iraq. Schwimmer and Nimrodi purchased weapons from Bofors for Teheran, contrary to Palme's pre-election commitments to stop them, and had leased three planes to fly all the weapons from Arlanda without authority from Inspector of War Materiel, Admiral Carl-Fredrik Algernon. (Richard Reeves, "The Palme Obsession," The New York Times Magazine, March 1, 1987, esp. p. 56) The Enterprise hoped to force the statsminister's hand, as Washington and London had done with their submarines in the Baltic about alleged Soviet intrusions when he was returning to power in October 1982. (Ola Tunander, Harsfjarden, p. 13ff.)
The passage of the weapons through Sweden would show, if ever the NSA tapes of the conversations during transit were revealed, that Palme was being completely hypocritical when he claimed that he was adhering to official US policy of not assisting militarily this sponsor of state terrorism (Operation Staunch), and that he was a honest broker in trying to settle its war with Saddam Hussein. The Swedish communists would only conclude too that Palme was taking the coalition for a ride when he denied being anti-Soviet. By stopping the shipment, as Richard Reeves described in an article in The New York Times Magazine, the statsminister threw everyone into unanticipated confusion.
For North's network, this meant somehow terminating Palme's apparent efforts to assist the Soviet expansion, what works like Arkady Shevckenko's Breaking with Moscow, Viktor Suvorov's Soviet Military Intelligence and Spetsnaz, and Henry Denham's Inside the Nazi Ring, sponsored by the CIA, MI5, and MI6 respectively, were increasingly calling for. The problem was that Moscow was doing little to promote the claim, while rolling up double agents in Clarridge's Operation Courtship, especially Gennady Varenik in Bonn, Gennady and Svetlana Smetanin in Lisbon, and Valeri Martynov and Boris Yuzhin in Moscow, trying to maintain it, thanks to the spying by the Agency's Aldrich "Rick" Ames and the Bureau's Robert Hanssen.
In this context, Britain and America did things to make it seem that Soviet expansion was in the works. Operation Brave Defender was carried out, a rehearsal apparently of WWIII where Spetsnaz forces overwhelmed everything NATO was capable of, giving the myth of Soviet invincibility a boost. (Connor, p. 441) Then Palestinian Abu Nidal, who Geraghty would later be persuaded by British military intelligence killed Palme (The Bullet Catchers, p. 247ff.), carried out attacks with al-Kassar provided weapons on the airports in Rome and Vienna right after Christmas, killing five Americans, and fifteen others. To make the case that Qaddafi was another Soviet client promoting IRA terrorism, a convenient cover for what was planned in Scandinavia, the 14 Intelligence Company joined the Irish Gardai a month later, thanks to American signit intelligence, in seizing prematurely tonnes of Libyan weapons, including machine guns to shoot down army helicopters, that Adam Hopkins' Kula, formerly the Casmara, provided (Tony Geraghty, The Irish War, p. 182), resulting in the retribution execution of IRA quartermaster Frank Hegarty despite British assurances for the tipoff. (Raymond Murray, The SAS in Ireland, pp. 374-6)
Then Anglo-American intelligence, especially MI5's F and G Branches, raised public anxiety about terrorism to a fever pitch by over-the-top stories about the GRU's Spetsnaz forces, claiming that 25,000 of them under civilian cover had infiltrated Western Europe, even Campaign for Nuclear Disarmament (CND) protesters of the stationing of cruise missiles at Greenham Common. While Connor saw this disinformation as the result of intelligence analysts overselling efforts to discredit CND with compliant journalists (Connor, pp. 439-41), actually it was to prepare the public for a showdown with the Soviets. The Times and Jane's Defence Weekly considered the threat so real that they discussed the matter in late January issues. The Times reporter Michael Binyon in Washington started a regular column, "Terrorism and America," explaining the effort that Robert Oakley, who North had enlisted to get the HAWK missile shipment transported through Portugal (Lou Cannon, President Reagan: The Role of a Lifetime, p. 550), was mounting in NATO to contain the 'low intensity warfare' threatening Europe.
When Palme seemed to be, as Golitsyn had long claimed, a Soviet stooge afterall, all kinds of unexpected fallout from the HAWK fiasco had to be fixed. No sooner had Reagan signed the illegal finding on December 5th than Kimche resigned from The Enterprise, explaining that "the wrong men now had too much power in the consortium." (Thomas, p. 142) Kimche, the Mossad's former deputy director general, was replaced by the reckless Nir. The Agency's DD McMahon also had to go because of his having forced the President to sign the first finding (Cannon, p. 552), and was replaced by the gung-ho Robert Gates. McFarlane, who objected to the overthrow of Chile's democratically-elected President Allende while serving in Nixon's NSC, was so distressed by the turn of events that he too resigned, restricting his activities to gaining the release of the remaining hostages while Poindexter took over as NSA.
North concentrated on stifling blowback from operations in Central America, especially by Jack Terrell, Peter Glibbery, and Steven Carr of Tom Posey's Civilian Military Assistance which had been seeking mercenaries in Britain. They had become so disaffected by CMA's attempts to assassinate Contra Southern Front leader Eden Pastora (Operation Pegasus), the brainchild of CIA's Frank Camper which forced their explusion from Hondurus when its President learned about it, and North inviting Walker's people to take their place (Cocaine Politics, note 19, p. 235), that they were willing to testify to the FBI about them, particularly those by Felipe Vidal aka Charles Morgan. On February 16, 1987, the day this public advocate of international terrorism against pro-Castro targets was finally brought to heel, The Miami Herald reported that he had been arrested seven times on narcotics and weapons charges. Thanks to feedback from the Bureau's George Kiszynski and Revell, though, North was able to make it look as if Terrell was the terrorist, threatening ultimately to kill Reagan. (Cocaine Politics, p. 132ff.)
Why North was so concerned about Terrell's whistle-blowing efforts was because Morgan was already in Stockholm, looking for an assassin of the statsminister. In November, Morgan aka Peter Brown met Jovan von Birchan for a beer at the Continental Bistro during which Morgan asked him if he would be willing to carry out an assassination. Later, Morgan said that he was willing to pay him $2,000,000 to kill Palme. While von Birchan did not take the offer seriously, he changed his mind during a January meeting in which Morgan explained emphatically: "it was decided that Olof Palme was going to be assassinated and you don't have to worry about any police protection. I stand by my offer of 2 million dollars." (Swedish military intelligence's (SSI's) agent Joel Haukka's report, "Samtal med von Birchan 4 april 1986") Palme, in the interim, had stopped a Bofors deal with India, worth 15 billion Swedish crowns, that London's AE Services weapons dealer Bob Wilson, an aquaintance of Morgan's, had arranged. Around New Year's Day, CIA agent "Milan" asked, it seems, Kenneth Neilberg also in Stockholm if he were willing to do the hit with the same assurances for 1,000,000 SEK.
When neither took up the offers, Morgan apparently went to London, seeking out an assassin, as Duncan Campbell belatedly explained in a Frontlines article, "MI6, Whistleblowers in Baltic Battle," in the New Statesman:

"Shortly after Palme was killed, I was told by three independent sources that recruiters for the killing -variously described as a group of Swedish businessman, with Finns and Germans also involved, possibly financed by a South African group, had approached mercenaries and arms dealers in London in order to find a suitable 'hitman'. All the sources agreed that the former SAS (Special Air Service) and other possible killers approached had turned down the contract, and had then passed details of the approaches to Special Branch or to MI6 contacts. In turn, MI6 passed a warning to Sapo (SAK), the Swedish secret police. One source said that the purpose of the killing was to destabilise Sweden and its powerful liberal stance on such matters as apartheid. A senior Special Branch, Detective Chief Inspector David Palmer-Hall, liases directly with the Secret Intelligence Service. (MI6) A former Special Branch commander, Rollo Watts, also works for Saldin (sic) Security, the cover company for the private British mercenary service KMS Ltd. KMS which is registered in Jersey was most recently and controversially used by Colonel Oliver North to assist in guerrilla missions with Contra forces in Nicaragua." (June 17, 1988, p. 7)

Whatever Morgan, and Campbell's sources were attempting, the failure to find a mercenary to do the hit provided the perfect deception, it seems, for an officially-connected KMS one, with a built-in alibi.
While North worked out arrangements with CIA and MI6 to connect a suitable scapegoat, apparently Soviet spy Stig Bergling who was being groomed as the disgruntled party policeman, for the killing in Stockholm with Operation Courtship, making it look as if Moscow was behind the murder because of the countermeasures it took so that the US Navy and NATO could mete out a devastating first strike against the Soviets in reprisal, KMS arranged a fatal "double bluff" at Palme's expense the next time it reassessed the performance of his bodyguards in Stockholm. Connor has supplied a discrete history - no names, please - of how British forces got involved in training, and reassessing Swedish bodyguard protection of its leading figures, especially the statsminister, in just the way Walker wanted of complete secrecy. (p. 153ff.)
Sweden's Granskning Kommission has filled in without realizing it many of the details about the reassessment team which started working from its just constructed shed outside Palme's apartment in the Old Town two days before the assassination while the statsminister was on a visit to Hede, Sveg, and Ostersund in the far north. Witnesses testified about seeing two or three professional-looking men with walkie-talkies who spoke a kind of Swiss-German, just what a reassessment would be doing.
Jarl N spoke of seeing a dangerous-looking man down the street at the pharmacy, speaking so to a colleague: "He was 185-190 cm. tall, and had pale colored hair" (Brottsutredningen after mordet pa statsminister Olof Palme, p. 250), testimony that witnesses Mare R and Leif C corroborated. The reason why the commission did not take their testimony more seriously was because of the confusion about who uses walkie-talkies in assassinations, and because the witnesses had been so slow in coming forward with it. They, unlike the reassessment team, did not know the location of where the Palmes lived, and thought, like most people, that assassins needed walkie-talkies. Bodyguards and their reassessors need them.
In this context, it was easy for one of the reassessors to kill the statsminister after he had monitored the performance of the bodyguards for a couple of days. On February 27th, North was so ecstatic about possibilities from Operation Recovery that he sent a Prof message to McFarlane, exclaiming "that we may well be on the verge of a major breakthrough - not only on the hostages/terrorism but on the relationship as a whole." (Quoted from Walsh, p. 121.) The NSA replied: "Roger,Ollie. Well done - if the world only knew how many times you have kept a semblance of integrity and gumption to US policy, they would make you Secretary of State. But they can't know and would complain if they did - such is the state of democracy in the late 20th century." (Quoted from Cannon, p. 572.) Litte wonder that when the scandal broke, North tried to destroy all the Prof messages, and Cannon and Walsh have minimized respectively what he was attempting, and McFarlane's reaction.
The blondish, 185-190 cm. tall reassessor would have a cakewall the following evening after all his stalking the statsminister when the Palmes attended the Grand Cinema on Sveavagen to see the movie Mozart, what Geraghty's military intelligence expert claimed was a "night on the town" (p. 388), the statsminister's alleged illicit pleasure which helped do him in like North Yemen's President. Teheran was so upset by Palme's stopping the November missile shipments, putting the lie to all American claims that only Portugal was involved, as Reeves explained on the anniversary of the assassination, now that the Tower Commission had safely covered it up: "An Iranian military delegation came to Stockholm to protest the stopping of deliveries. That was on Feb. 4, 1986, three weeks before Palme's murder." (p. 56)
This gave the reassessor an absolute alibi for the assassination, explaining also why the statsminister seemed to recognize him before he shot him, and why his wife's first reaction to the shooting was thus: "It emerged at the weekend that Mrs. Palme had noticed two men acting strangely outside their house and watching their door, but she had not reported it to the police." (Martin Linton, "Few clues in the hunt for Palme's killer," The Guardian, March 2, 1986, p. 1) Unfortunately, by then, the police had been primed to look for Khomeneini's Iranians settling scores with the statsminister.
Fortunately, though, the operations North had arranged went no further, thanks particularly to the spying by Ames and Hanssen for the Soviets which tipped them off about the timing of Palme's assassination, thanks to Oleg Gordievsky's briefing of the former in February, and there is no need now to follow the whole shabby story. Its leading items were the diversions at Libya's expense, Reagan's presents for Iranian Speaker Ali Rafsanjani in May, and the President's thanking Gordievsky in the Oval Office for what he had done! (Christopher Andrew, For the President's Eyes Only, pp. 476-7)
Things only got interesting again for North when the scandal could be exposed after the shootdown, and Reagan forced North and NSA Poindexter to resign, asking crony Attorney General Edwin Meese to investigate the matter without the help of the Bureau or the Justice Department. While he cautiously did so, North and his people were busily destroying evidence, and creating a false chronology which would protect the President - leaving out the attempt to sneak the HAWK missiles through Stockholm. (Cannon, p. 611ff.) McFarlane intensified the process by attempting suicide in February 1987. (Timberg, pp. 425-9) Then Congress granted immunity to the main principals, starting with North, and Independent Counsel Walsh, when he finally got started, continued the process, especially with his assistant Earl, and secretary Fawn Hall (Walsh, p. 99ff.), making any serious convictions most unlikely. Ultimately, even Poindexter was not convicted of perjury and obstructing justice, the verdict being thrown out on appeal.
During all this confusion, behind the scenes the Senate Intelligence Committee was determining the scope of the conspiracy, the Tower Commission informed the public of a sanitized version of it, and the joint Select Committee on Secret Military Assistance to Iran publicized it, what its leading Senators William S. Cohen and George Mitchell legitimized in their book, Men of Zeal: A Candid Inside Story of the Iran-Contra Hearings. Cohen was the connecting link in the whole process, centered around the Senator from Texas, and Vietnam hawk, Tower, who had helped cover up the JFK assassination, and was equally committed to the men of zeal he had collected around him while serving on the Senate Armed Services Committee. While Cohen claimed he was involved in a "comprehensive search for the truth" (p. 21), he was actually engaged in legitimizing the false chronology, covering up the attempt to sneak the HAWK missiles through Sweden, and getting Reagan to minimize the problem by admitting that suppying arms for the release of hostages was wrong. (David E. Rosenbaum, "Senator Says Reagan Must Face 'Mistake'," The New York Times, Jan. 13, 1987, A8; and Jan. 15, A12)
Cohen's efforts, though, were seriously undercut by the book's own chronology of events, where there was a gaping hole between the Nov. 17th meeting that McFarlane had with Chief of Staff Donald Regan to inform him of the trouble over the missile shipment, what North recruited Secord to fix the next day, and the actual delivery of 18 HAWK missiles a week later (p. xxii). Then there was a most confusing rigmorole about Portugal being the only country in question, though the White House refused to declassify the names of countries which actually supplied arms to the Contras, causing Cohen and Mitchell to refer to them only by number (p. ix), Sweden apparently being "Country Six", only for them to discuss in detail Dewey Clarridge's role in trying to dragoon Portugal into the process (pp. 255-6).
This use of numbers to hide the truth proved so successful that Walsh even adopted it when Judge Webster, now the new DCI, was smoothly smothering any chance of the truth coming out. Director Webster, of course, knew all about Iran-Contra, thanks to his paving the way for North to use Walker's firms, and by his refusing to allow the FBI to get involved in their operations for fear it would commit illegal acts just when Palme was assassinated. (Mark Riebling, Wedge, pp. 368-9) While Webster, by Washington's standards, had a squeaky-clean reputation, Reagan, once the attempt to simply slip Gates into the deceased Casey's place failed, had moved him to head the troubled Agency to limit the fallout from Iran-Contra, what he had already helped by allowing Meese, of all people, to secure the evidence, and by slowing the process of disclosure of the little left as the cover up was being assembled. (Walsh, pp. 147-8)
Finally, it was a question if Webster's team at CIA would supply Walsh with the last remaining evidence that NSA had about North's operations, buggings, and FLASH messages, especially the NSA tapes about weapons shipments, what McFarlane had put the highest priority on destroying when the scandal broke. (Walsh, p. 8) Walsh needed the tapes to establish the criminality of Fernandez, what the Independent Counsel hoped to achieve at a Sunday, July 23, 1989, meeting with DCI Webster, DDCI Robert Kerr, and DO Richard Stolz, Webster's classmate at Amherst (Riebling, p. 389), who was already involved in collecting money for Fernandez's defence. When the Agency seemed to be wavering on the matter, Stolz exclaimed: "What will they think in Olso?" (Quoted from Walsh, p. 216.)
While Walsh thought the comment irrelevant, it concerned the NSA eavesdropping facility at Vardo on Norway's North Cape. Release of any of its material would be a precedent for a flood which could swamp far more than just the Reagan administration. For starters, it had the crucial tape of the flight of the 80 HAWK missiles which Palme's government stopped in mid-transit on November 17, 1985. Without the tapes, Walsh opted for a system of cards identifying each CIA station and facility being discussed with a number so jurors could keep track of the testimony, a procedure that the judge dismissed as a "kindergarten-like proposal" (Walsh, p. 17), and Attorney General Richard Thornburgh refused by remedy by allowing the necessary classified information to be introduced in court.
While no one had noticed, London had been doing what was necessary to cover up its side of the scandal. As the above long quotation indicated, Duncan Campbell was most knowledgeable about the 'special relationship' between Britain and America, and their joint operations, thanks to his coverage of the counterterrorism Britain was conducting in Northern Ireland. (Mark Urban, UK Eyes Alpha, p. 56) No sooner had Campbell, a thorn in the establishment's side, started questioning Defence officials, and Public Accounts Committee chairman Robert Sheldon, brother of Legal Adviser to DGSS Duff, about an independent satellite system free from NSA's vagaries (ZIRCON), especially in the wake of the Challenger disaster, for his BBC television series, Secret Society, than Prime Minister Thatcher had it banned. When Campbell persisted in his efforts, publishing an article in the New Statesman, she instructed Attorney General Michael Havers to issue an injunction against his writing any more, and to have Special Branch raid the Glasgow offices of the BBC, and the Labour journal in London for tapes and papers about what was in the pipeline "...to protect the intelligence services from journalistic scrutiny, even if the politcal cost was high." (Urban, p. 61)
While this gagging of the press was tightening, British intelligence services arranged the set-up in Sweden of a person resembling the description by the above mentioned witnesses, and the Photo-Fit representation of the killer by the witnesses of the assassination - apparently Captain Simon Hayward aka James Rennie, officially a member of the Household Cavalry but actually the Operations Officer of the 14 Intelligence Company's South Detachment. Hayward left Northern Ireland on February 12, 1987, and five days later he departed England for the fateful 'holiday' with his brother Chris in the Mediterranean. Once Hayward was safely put away in Sweden, Ruth Freeman apparently aka Simon Freeman, who had just written The Secret Life of Anthony Blunt, published Death of a Statesman, thanks, it seems, to MI5 funding (N. b. that he was a roving foreign correspondent, 1986-89, Contemporary Authors, vol. 133, p. 132.), explaining the assassination in such self-serving terms for the beleaguered Captain that anyone would suspect him if the trumped up case against Swedish and PKK scapegoats broke down.
Right after the assassination, a British consultant and MI6 operative, apparently Gordievsky, had gone to Stockholm, and told publisher and owner of a private intelligence company Ebbe Carlsson, and the two Sapo officers, who had bugged the KGB residency on the night of Palme's assassination on the instruction of the CIA Stockholm station chief Jenonne Walker, that the Iranians had arranged for the PKK to kill the statsminister because of his stoppage of weapons shipments, starting in November 1985. (Jesus Alcala, "Polisen ville tro pa PKK-sparet," Dagens Nyheter, Feb. 28, 1996) MI6, knowing now the safety in numbers, had the same operative, it seems, tell his friend Karl-Gunnar Back, the Swedish Chairman of Civil Defence, that mercenary Craig Williamson had arranged the assassination hit-team, Koevoet/COIN, for disgrunted groups within the Swedish and South African security services (Operation Longreach). (Roger Magnegard and Mari Sandstrom, "Sydafrika planlade mordet," Svensk Dagbladet, May 27, 1987, p. 7.)
Needless to say, the Swedish police investigated these leads conscientiously, once they had disposed of the Agency-supplied decoy Victor Gunnarsson as a suspect, but they never got anywhere. Hans Holmer, who was leading the investigation, was so obsessed with the idea that PKK had done it that he had to be sacked. MI6 was unable or unwilling to suppy any more information. As a result, Swedish Ministers of Justice, particularly Anna-Greta Leijon, and interested citizens, especally Ebbe Carlsson, became increasingly frustrated, the former finally instructing the latter on May 4, 1988, to go to London behind the police's back on a secret mission to see if he could develop more information about the assassination from "the relevant British Authority." (Campbell, op. cit.) No sooner had Carlsson arrived than his letter of introduction was leaked to the press, touching off what Duncan Campbell called Sweden's 'Contragate' - a private network pursuing its own agenda at the expense of established practice, and the public interest. Exploiting Ms. Leijon's belief that the British really knew who killed Palme, and they did, according to Campbell, what her own police were apparently failing to take advantage of, the Brits were able to turn the tables completely on Stockholm, and Campbell was permitted to publish the results.
In the end, Walsh considered prosecuting North again after his first conviction had been thrown out because it was based upon immunized testimony, leading to a showdown between the Independent Counsel and the former NSC staffer. By then, the three most dangerous witnesses of his operations, Nir, Major Charles McKee, and the CIA's Matthew Gannon, had been killed in sabotaged airplanes - Ben-Menashe had Gene "Chip" Tatum, who has now disappeared, shoot down the Cessna T-210 Nir was flying in over Morelia, Mexico on Nov. 30,1988, while McKee and Gannon were on board Pan Am Flight103 which exploded over Lockerbie, Scotland, a few weeks later. Nir's problem was that he had recorded a conversation with Vice President Bush at Jerusalem's King David Hotel on July 29, 1986 about Iran-Contra, which McKee, and Gannon witnessed, and what he threatened to reveal at North's trial.
According to Joel Bainerman, the publisher of an Israeli intelligence report who had questioned another witness, a Navy Commander, of the conversation, "North told him," Thomas repeated, "that Nir was killed because he threatened to go public with the recording of the Jerusalem meeting." (Quoted from p. 316.) McKee, Gannon, and three other CIA agents apparently fell afoul of arms dealer al-Kassar's independent operations in their attempt to set up a new hostage rescue mission. According to Interfor's investigation into the tragedy, al-Kassar's masters blew up the airliner before McKee's team could blow the whistle on them, thanks to the bungling by German police at Frankfurt's airport, and CIA managers at Langley. (Jonathan Vankin and John Whelan, The 60 Greatest Conspiracies of All Time, p. 280ff.) Gannon, whose father-in-law was CIA's Tom Twetten who had served as the Agency's liaison with North on the NSC (Ted Gup, The Book of Honor, p. 314), was simply trying to clean up the whole Iran-Contra mess as neatly as possible, but only got killed in the process.
The whole question about a retrial concerned what would appear in North's memoir, Under Fire: An American Life, the title and anticipated substance most reminiscent of the British Army's counterterrorist specialist Captain Simon Hayward's Under Fire: My Own Story. While North's manuscript was still being prepared in October 1991, largely being ghost-written by William Novak who wrote Nancy Reagan's memoirs, the text would turn on what North meant by "diversion", and "the secret within a secret". North told reporter George Lardner that Reagan approved the diversion of profits to the Contras, and directed him and Poindexter to take the blame in order to divert attention away from everything else the President and his advisors knew and approved of. ("North: Reagan 'Knew Everything' ," The Washington Post, Oct. 20, 1991, A, 4:1) Their darkest secrets apparently concerned the 1985 arms shipments to Iran, the 'findings' to justify it, the false chronology to cover it up, etc.
Three days later, Walsh dropped all charges against North (Lloyd Grove, "In From Cold," ibid., Oct. 23, 1991, B, 1:4), and he reciprocated in kind with the first installation of his book for Time by claiming that the diversions, the secret within a secret, and the false chronology were merely to protect the diversion of the $12,000,000 in profits to the Contras the following April. "The secret within a secret" turned out to be the Iranians not getting the weapons they bargained for in November 1985, at the fair, market price, and the illicit profits going to the enemies of their allies, the Sandinistas. ( "Reagan Knew Everything," Time, Oct. 28, pp. 47-8) North's most serious offenses, it seems, were to put his hand in the till to help pay for a car (Walsh, pp. 201-2), and to build a security fence around his house to protect his family from the likes of Abu Nidal! ("Notes & Amends," Eye Spy!, Issue Nine, p. 4) North, instead of being the chief plotter, turned out to be, it seems, just another target of the so-called Palestinian hitman.
In sum, Iran-Contra turned out to be a far lesser crisis than Watergate, thanks to the complete separation of the effective counterintelligence and countermeasures that the Soviets had taken to save themselves (Riebling, p. 430ff.) from the comprehensive cover-ups that the Americans and the British had mounted to trivialize North's operations (pp. 367-412), what President Bush completed by pardoning everyone else, except Poindexter, just before he left office.

Posted by: Jamtjim 24.Feb.2011, 01:31 PM

But Trow... What about the Fraggles?

Posted by: Guest 24.Feb.2011, 01:39 PM

The Fraggles will just have to wait.

I am hot on the trail of the SAVAK operatives who, it seems, got rid of John P. Wheeler III, and then AliReza Pahlavi.

I just cannot solve all the shit by myself! sad.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 24.Feb.2011, 01:41 PM

Why not?

You make it up all by yourself

Posted by: Jamtjim 24.Feb.2011, 01:44 PM

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The Fraggles will just have to wait.

...but what about the Wombles? You do realise that you are currently the chief subject of Operation Certain Muppet don't you?

Posted by: big5 24.Feb.2011, 02:18 PM

Ollie North is awesome. You just have to admire the man's work!

Posted by: Guest 24.Feb.2011, 02:42 PM

When I was teaching at Holy Cross during this time, I came across some of North's handywork, it seems.

In its Washington intern program, I had a student named Chris Goode, a student in the NROTC program, who wanted to get one to Anmesty International, and he succeeded though I got a place for him in a lesser organization.

At Amnesty, he wrote a paper, promoting the claims of the Polisorio against the governments of Morocco and Algeria - what got me in hot water because of the feedback by its officialdom to my employers, though this guy Goode, who was on Navy summer cruises at this time, did it without ever consulting me. I think it was part of the College move to get rid of me, and I gladly jumped at the chance,

I was most intrigued to learn later that North was involved in the summer cruise program too, and during Iran-Contra, he used the code name William Goode.

The match has always made me wonder where the move all started.

Posted by: Jamtjim 24.Feb.2011, 03:11 PM

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The match has always made me wonder where the move all started.


Hand up...

Sir, Sir, I can answer that one Sir...

It started in your head Sir. Yes only in your head.

Posted by: Guest 25.Feb.2011, 08:27 PM

Here is my article about Anatoliy Golitsyn, the most dangerous double agent who helped promote the assassination of not only Olof Palme but alos JFK earlier to suit Soviet strategic purposes - what was erased from this computer when the securocrats broke into this row house in September 2009:


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Tuesday, 27 January 2004Anatoliy Golitsyn: The KGB's Most Dangerous Defector
by Trowbridge H. Ford

The KGB's Anatoliy Golitsyn, like all important Soviet defectors, was most dangerous because he was really a disinformation agent, sent over specifically to suggest false targets, to undermine effective opponents, and to exploit distrust that MI5's Peter Wright, the Soviets' leading spy, was especially cultivating among Western intelligence agencies, helping induce them to adopt their own secret agendas in policy, to target leaders, particularly domestic ones, who would not go along, and to coopt politicians who would. Communist disinformation was intended to confuse the West by means of fabricated messages, fake messengers, and false feedback about what Moscow's real intentions were, and how it hoped to achieve them. Real defectors, like Igor Gouzenko, Yuri Nosenko, and Konstantin Volkov, were rendered useless by similar Soviet counterintelligence which either discredited or disposed of them.

While Western historians, particularly Cambridge's Christopher Andrew, have understandably been most reluctant to discuss Golitsyn's alarms - dismissing them generally as well-intended but wild conspiracy theories which a few paranoid counterintelligence officers, especially the Agency's CI Chief James Angleton, and Wright himself, unfortunately took too seriously, as if intelligence agencies are democracies run by majority rules - when they do, they neither put them in the right context nor discuss the countermeasures the West adopted against them. Instead they discuss Golitsyn's operational claims - the KGB had penetrated the intelligence services, including CIA, of every NATO country, would send false defectors to discredit Golitsyn, and was plotting to kill a Western political leader (Mark Rebling, Wedge, pp. 181-2), though even here they never followed their fallout to their obvious conclusions.

By 1961, with the jailing of Gordon Lonsdale's network, the KGB was now more interested in paralyzing Western counterintelligence capability rather than gaining any new intelligence sources. Lonsdale's network had not really been hurt by its imprisonment because the KGB Colonel was no longer needed to recruit new agents and sources, the Krogers aka the Cohens were no longer needed for receiving, and sending intelligence, and Harry Houghton and his girl friend, Ethel Gee, were now convenient scapegoats who had outlived their usefulness as spies. The real spies, headed by the famous 'K' aka Peter Wright and SCOTT, were in place, and capable of developing new sources of information while individually passing along what they had amassed to Moscow by various means. Wright's over-the-top pursuit of Lonsdale had just cleaned up the network so that it could operate more secretly and efficiently.

When Golitsyn defected in December 1961, walking into the American Embassy in Helsinki where he was serving in the KGB residency, and being taken immediately to Ashford Farm in Maryland for debriefing, it is true that East-West relations were most tense because of JFK's unwillingness to support the anti-Castro Cubans, especially their invasion plans, and Khrushchev's surprise construction of the Berlin Wall in August, what historians have concentrated upon. (See, e. g., Christopher Andrew, The Sword and the Shield, p.177ff.) Actually, though, the really important event was the briefing that the Agency's Inspector General Lawrence Houston gave Attorney General Robert Kennedy in October about its use of the Mafia to assassinate the Cuban leader - what RFK took the strongest exception to, and DDP Richard Helms immediately negated by having Wright return to headquarters to reinvigorate the operation.

RFK's reaction to this most counterproductive news to his crime-fighting crusade, what had started in September 1960 after Lee Harvey's Oswald's efforts as a Manchurian Candidate in the USSR were clearly not panning out, was that the CIA should inform the Attorney General if it ever tried it again, what Helms had no intention of doing, once Wright sorted out the friction caused by his lecture on RAFTER with Angleton, and 'Executive Action' head William Harvey over the forced defection of the Polish Intelligence Service's Michael Goleniewski. Wright indicated that the KGB had been able to intercept the CIA's communications with Goleniewski - something that MI5 knew, but had failed to inform the Agency of - which caused his premature exposure, and flight from his native land. Wright had apparently forced the matter because the Bureau's Al Belmont had indicated that Western counterintelligence was closing in on Lonsdale's network when the head of its domestic counterintelligence suggested that the Krogers might indeed be the Cohens.

For Harvey, heading the Agency's assassination program in Cuba, Wright made the need of using the Mafia to kill Castro crystal clear after they cleared up the inter-agency bitterness caused by MI5 failing to inform CIA of the risk it took by continuing to communicate, thanks to Soviet RAFTER capability, with Goleniewski by HF radio. After Wright joked about Harvey having missed the original briefing he had given two years earlier on the need (p. 154), as if Harvey had not been working round the clock to satisfy it, as I tried to show in my article about him, Britain's technical expert made it clear that CIA had no option but to use the Mafia again before JFK worked out some disreputable deal with the Cuban dictator, what Britain's Colonial Office had done with the Cypriot leader, EOKA's Colonel Grivas, before MI5 and the Army could assassinate him.

Wright, after informing them how Britain tried to eliminate Egypt's Gamal Nasser during the Suez Crisis - what the MI5 officer had done more than anyone else to make sure worked out to Moscow's advantage - explained that it was now Langley's problem to resolve with the needed personnel, and improved technical means. After Wright ruled out borrowing soldiers from Special Air Service (SAS), though MI6 might agree to the use of retired personnel, he discussed in most suggestive, but deliberately ill-informed ways Sir William Stephenson's use of the Mafia in New York during WWII (p. 161), and how SIS crudely tried to assassinate Nasser with a poisoned dart, as if he were a stand-in for CIA's efforts against Castro, operations Wright claimed he disapproved of during peacetime. "Beyond that, there was little help I could offer Harvey and Angleton, and I began to feel I had told them more than enough." (p. 162) For good measure, though, Wright concluded: "We're the junior partner in the alliance, remember? It's your responsibility now."

Golitsyn's defection six weeks later just reinforced Wright's message. The defector claimed that Khrushchev, despite his leaked denunciation of Stalin at the 20th CPSU Congress, was still seeking world domination. Now that the General Secretary had crushed his competitors for the leadership, he had given Alexandr Shelepin, the new KBG head, the responsibility of determining how to win the Cold War without war, starting with rapid expansion in the Third World. Instead of the communist world being badly divided, and the disarray growing worse by the day, as the faint-hearted in the West were claiming, Moscow had decided to make a viture out of false appearances, what the new organizations to propagate disinformation, especially Colonel Agayants' Department D, and to promote active measures, particularly the KGB's Department 13, were to perform, once General Serov had been transferred out to head the GRU in mid-1959. In light of all this, Andrew still only asserted that the Soviets only started acting on Shelepin's strategy then, in the summer of 1961 when Golitsyn was planning to defect. (p. 363ff.)

To show that Shelepin meant business, the KGB immediately, it seems, had Bodgan Stashinsky, who had apparently killed Ukrainian ideologue Lev Rebet two years earlier, assassinate Stephan Bandera in October 1959 with a similar spray gun in West Germany, the Ukrainian nationalist leader dying like the tied up dog in the experiment. Two months later, according to Golitsyn, Stashinsky was awarded the Order of the Red Banner for the deeds, and started attending an accelerated English language course so that he could carry out an extensive program of "wet affairs" against Western leaders, especially British ones. In June 1960, as the American presidential election campaign was heating up, Shelepin allegedly impressed upon Khrushchev the need of such covert actions because the Pentagon was allegedly gearing up for a first strike against the USSR.

While the Soviets constructed the Berlin Wall to defend better against such a possibility in the wake of the Bay of Pigs fiasco, it was one day too late from preventing Stashinsky fleeing to the West where he quickly spilled the beans to a West German court about what Moscow was up to. Stashinsky's confession, though, especially since there were no witnesses to the stairway sprayings, could have been clever disinformation to prime Western countermeasures which Moscow could take advantage of. "According to Anatoli Golitsyn, who defected four months after Stashinsky," Andrew added vaguely, "at least seventeen KGB officers were sacked or demoted." (p. 362) Of course, Golitsyn was put next to Igor Gouzenko, the famous cipher clerk who tried to spill the beans on Soviet atomic spying, on the KGB's death list for the trouble he caused. (p. 367)

With this message, and these credentials, it was hardly surprising that CIA went overboard about anything Golitsyn claimed. While Harvey was busy seeing that anything Castro might come in contact with was sprinkled with some toxic, exploding, or disorienting substance (For more on this, see Senate Select Committee with Respect to Intelligence Activities. Alleged Assassination Plots Involving Foreign Leaders, Washington, U. S. Government Printing Office, 1975.), Helms took Golitsyn's serials about moles within CIA most seriously. The problem that Peter Karlow had consequently with the Agency was just the tip of the iceberg. (See Mark Riebling, Wedge, pp. 180-4.)

After the JFK assassination, when Nosenko defected to dampen suspicions of Soviet involvement for his own benefit, as Golitsyn had predicted, CIA was most eager to discredit not only him but anyone attempting to corroborate what he was claiming. Angleton was given the Special Investigations Group under the leadership of Scott Miler to go after targets Golitsyn provided, thanks to FBI feedback. Before it was through, it had discredited another Ukrainian nationalist, CIA's contract agent-handler in Berlin Igor "Sasha" Orlov aka Alexander Koptatsky; Orlov's handler Paul Garbler, Moscow Station Chief who used to play tennis with SIS officer George Blake in Korea, who possibly betrayed Oleg Penkovsky during the Cuban Missile Crisis; Richard Kovich of the Soviet Division who might have compromised Colonel Pyotr Popov during the Berlin Tunnel operation, and Kovich's chief, David Murphy, who was also suspected of betraying Andrew Yankovsky's network in North Korea, while throwing a cloud of suspicion over the Bureau's only important spies, Aleksei Kulak aka Fedora, and Dmitri Polyakov aka Top Hat. "Perhaps Golitsyn had been planted," Reibling belatedly confessed, "to discredit all future KGB sources, no matter who they were" (Emphasis his, p. 225.), a possibility that Andrew would not even entertain. (p. 185)

While Agency CI was pursuing Golitsyn's false leads, he concentrated on getting to higher-ups, ultimately the President, to inform them of the need of fixing Shelepin's strategy, starting with Castro's Cuba. Khrushchev had just appointed Alexandr Alexiev, with the KGB chief's approval, Soviet ambassador to Havana because of his rapport with the increasingly isolated, island nation, and in May, Alexiev sold the idea to Castro of installing Soviet nuclear missiles as the only way of saving his revolution from American aggression. (Jon Lee Anderson, CHE Guevara, p. 523ff.) Golitsyn's mission was to see that the missiles were removed, and the strategically-useless island regime with them. While the defector was able to see RFK about the need, DDP Helms would not let him see the President. After the settlement of the Missile Crisis, Helms saved this task for himself, forcing his way into the Oval Office with allegedly conclusive evidence of Cuba's expansive intentions just before JFK left Washington on his fatal Texas trip. The President ignored Golitsyn's warnings via Helms about monolithic communism at this peril.

At the same time, the defector was creating similar disarray among British intelligence services, what Wright had already anticipated through "the grapevine" when MI5's Arthur Martin informed him that Golitsyn was telling all. (Spycatcher, p. 163ff.) Of course, the Security Service gobbled up his 10 serials, especially about Cambridge's "Ring of Five", like manna from Heaven, leading, thanks to additional hints from Venona decrypts, to the exposure of Sir Anthony Blunt, the Surveyor of the Queen's Pictures, and Ultra's John Cairncross who had already fled to Rome, though they had long since stopped spying for the Soviets. Golitsyn fingered homosexual clerk John Vassall, who had been passing NATO secrets from Lord Carrington's office to the Soviets, and confirmed UB officer Michael Goleniewski's claim that George Blake had compromised the Berlin Tunnel Operation. Then there were murkier claims about David and Rosa, who had already been conveniently declared Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, being, in fact, Tess and Victor Rothschild, who had worked with MI5 during the war, and now was head of research at the Shell Oil Company.

Wright, of course, made such a meal of Golitsyn's serials, ultimately even claiming that MI5's DG Roger Hollis was one, that the Security Service was made the laughing stock of Moscow before it was through, even Oleg Gordievsky so reporting to Michael Smith, author of New Cloak, Old Dagger (pp. 62-1), much to Andrew's discomfort. Actually, the pursuit of the serials was the least damaging of the feedback that Wright provided, though, since he used them to see that any associates, even innocent ones, were exposed, and discredited, thanks to technical assistance DDP Richard Helms provided after the Dallas assassination, creating a witch hunt.

More important, Wright used the suspicion of Rothschild to make sure that he supported his program to develop new scientific means of spying, what the Soviets desperately wanted, to pursue Golitsyn's leads about what was allegedly locked up in Moscow's safest safes - i. e., the KGB special file on British intelligence, the index at headquarters on Britain's moles, who in SIS had betrayed "Buster" Crabbe's diving mission when Khrushchev came visiting on the cruiser Ordzhonikidze, who stole Wright's own "Technics" Document, and the like. (p. 278).

Finally, Wright used Golitsyn to confirm that the Soviets had killed the thriving Labour leader Hugh Gaitsell somehow with lupus disseninata when he visited the USSR in 1963 to see that its top agent of influence, Harold Wilson, would be the next Prime Minister. (Actually, Gaitsell was quite sick at the time, so sick that he could have only contracted lupus erythematosus at the Soviet Embassy in London as he never left the country.) Gaitsell's doctor, like Wright, was apparently so surpirsed by his sudden demise that he volunteered his suspicions of foul play to MI5, causing Wright, Martin and Angleton to get involved to prove that the Soviets had done it. (p. 362) (Apparently, the doctor, a counterintelligence specialist, got in touch with the Security Service anytime an important patient died of an unexpected disease.)

The Vietnam War just added fuel to this destructive process against Anglo-American intelligence, one which would only abate with Watergate, and its fallout. While Nixon was being forced to resign after the understanding he reached with his Chief of Staff, General Alexander Haig, that he would receive a pardon to escape criminal prosecution, Helms, Harvey, Angleton, Miler, Director Hoover, Dr. Sidney Gottlieb, E. Howard Hunt, and William Colby, with their most secret files, departed the Washington intelligence scene too. In the process, though, President Gerald Ford, America's only appointed chief executive, was able to arrange the false legend, thanks to Colby's candor for which he was canned, that his predecessors were responsible for CIA's worst dirty tricks, especially its assassination efforts.

In London, the weakened Heath government, racked by civil unrest because of its too vigorous pursuit of subversion at home and in Northern Ireland, gave way to a suspect Wilson administration. Martin had long since departed from MI5 because of its failure to pursue vigorously enough alleged moles within its ranks, though Wright did stick around long enough to see Margaret Thatcher replace Heath as Conservative Party Leader in Febraury 1975, and the culmination of Golitsyn's undoing of the PM, Wilson resigning in March 1976 despite assurances by the new DCI George Bush that there was no such plot against him. Wright's final contribution to the campaign had been to claim that Wilson was working for the KGB's Vaygaukas through cutout Joseph Kagan, a Lithuanian emigre turned shady businessman. The only evidence for this claim was the fact that Wilson's friend and benefactor sometimes played chess with a Soviet diplomat who was also a KGB agent. (Lewis Baston, Sleaze, 83)

Incredible as it may seem, Golitsyn's network was revived, once Thatcher and Reagan got their rabid anti-communism campaigns together after the hiccup caused by Argentina's seizure of the Falklands. Just as Washington was giving up on its tough economic sanctions against the USSR, what risked doing the greatest damage to NATO because of how it effected British interests, its submarines started operating in Swedish waters contrary to the policy and knowledge of Stockholm's new statsminister, Olof Palme. The British Prime Minister approved every intrusion, according to Ola Tunander's Harsfjarden (p. 13), complementing what Reagan had agreed to the US Navy doing off the Kola peninsula the previous year. (Sherry Sontag and Christopher Drew, Blind Man's Bluff, p. 315ff.) Sir Keith Speed, a former Navy Minister under Thatcher, and Caspar Weinberger, Reagan's SOD, admitted as much in March and April 2000 interviews for the Swedish TV2 program Striptease.

The unknown American and British intrusions into the Stockholm archipelago in October 1982 recalled the Soviets' U-137 going aground off Karlskrona before Palme regained power. The new intrusions created a chorus of disapproval against the new statsminister, defense experts in London and Washington, especially Milton Leitenberg, and Gordon McCormick, universally clamoring that he was permitting Moscow's U-boats to use Swedish waters for offensive purposes, and allowing them to escape undetected when threatened with exposure. The effect of the NATO disinformation campaign was dramatically demonstrated when Swedish public opinion, fearful of Soviet intentions, tripled in only three years.

To legitimize the campaign against Palme, CIA's Scott Miler, MI5's Arthur Martin, and MI6's Stephen de Mowbray, now retired, persuaded Golitsyn to publish his latest thoughts about KGB disinformation, New Lies For Old, even providing an introduction to strengthen its Sisyphean message (p. xvi), and published both in England and America in 1984. According to Wright, de Mowbray, SIS's handler of Golitsyn, kept alive their claims of KGB penetration of the Security Service. (p. 202ff.) Golitsyn now saw Moscow's cycle of deception entering a new, most dangerous phase in which the Soviets' leading agent of influence threatened to achieve what Eurocommunists, social democrats, and misguided fellow-travellers were vaguely attempting, based upon the classic communist "false flag" recruitment technique.

Thanks to Golitsyn's alleged experience in the NATO section of the Information Department of the KGB's FCD during 1959-60, he slowly developed a tale of betrayal, especially in Scandinavia, centered around this claim: "A KGB agent was planted on the leadership of the Swedish social democratic party" (p. 55), whose interests Moscow was willing to promote by selected assassination, as Stashinsky did to Bandera on Shelepin's orders (ibid.), and the Soviets did to Afghan President Amin in 1979. (p. 164) Along the way, Golitsyn used other social democrats, like Finland's Herta Kuusinen and Mauno Koivisto, as substitutes for this agent's dangerous policies of "Finlandizing" the whole of Europe.

It was only three hundred pages later, though, that the reader discovered that the culprit was, in fact, Palme (p. 349), the social democrat who threatened to make Soviet stooges out of all of Scandinavians for Moscow's strategic purposes, what "Leader" (p. 282ff.) and "Timo" (p. 285ff.) allegedly had only been able to achieve within Finland, though they seem fictions invented by the author for dramatic effect. According to Golitsyn, Palme made himself so indispensible to statsminister Tage Erlander, thanks to his recruitment by Novosti's bureau chief in Stockholm, N. V. Nejland (p. 287ff.), to pass along messages to Moscow, for which he was paid, that Erlander intended for the American and British ambassadors, that he replaced him. Novosti was the leading organ of Shelepin's disinformation campaign. (p. 46)

It was little over a year later on February 28, 1986 that Golitsyn got what he wanted, Palme's assassination, neutralizing at the strategic level the "...political damage caused by communist agents of influence and their disinformation." (p. 363) This was despite the statsminister's most vigorous efforts to show that he was not a Soviet stooge, even sacking his foreign minister, Lennart Bodstrom, when he dismissed the idea of Soviet submarine intrusions. Apparently, London and Washington took Golitsyn's claims more seriously than the statsminister's actions. In the end, the libel judgment in January 1986 against Private Eye, for denying two years earlier American Ambassador to Helsinki Mark Austad's claim that all Scandinavians were Soviet stooges, had provided the former CIA agent ample reward for repeating Golitsyn's warning.

Of course, Golitsyn's published views had helped tip off Moscow what the West was planning in Stockholm, explaining why Vitali Yurchenko "defected" to the CIA in August 1985 to check on the bona fides of its Aldrich "Rick" Ames as a Soviet spy in the double-agent Operation Courtship, and why, after being briefed by defector Gordievsky about current operations, he rushed without authority, thanks to the assistance of fellow spy, the FBI's Robert Hanssen, to the Soviet Embassy in Washington two weeks before the statsminister's shooting to inform Moscow of its timing. On the day of the assassination, KGB Chief Viktor Chebrikov even gave an unprecedented press conference in Moscow, warning the West that all its double-agent operations had been rolled up. For good measure, the KGB closed down its residency that night in Stockholm to make sure that neither the Agency nor Sweden's Security Service gained any damaging feedback while it was being carried out, making it such an isolated act that it almost defied solution.

When Stockholm duly failed to provide a solution to the most expert operation, something that only elite special forces were capable of, Golitsyn's disinformation became highly dangerous, explaining why MI5's DD Anthony Duff did a flip-flop over the appearance of Spycatcher. While Wright was finishing the manuscript, and trying to find a publisher, Duff went to unprecedented lengths, even going public in the press, to stop him. It was only when Britain's High Court was hearing the appeal for an injunction against publication in the UK that Duff suddenly gave up the fight, as Mr. Justice Scott noted: MI5 had taken no steps to prevent the importation of copies from America, or the publication of books with similar complaints of the Security Service. (Smith, note 18, p. 285)

The reason was clear - MI5 could take comfort in what Wright was now most wrong about. Britain was no longer the junior partner in operations that Harvey had previously conducted -having provided the assassin, apparently Captain Simon Hayward aka Captain James Rennie, the Ops Officer of the 14 Intelligence Company's South Detachment, in the Palme shooting - and the Security Service had clearly done more with Golitlsyn than its former Assistant Director had claimed. Duff was most willing to take the heat for all the failed operations, and the too vigorous pursuit of alleged subversives in return for this refusal of British help to CIA's assassination program: " ' They don't freelance, Bill ', I told him. ' You could try to pick them up retired, but you'd have to see Six about that.' " (p. 161) About the defector, Wright, retired for over a decade, added: "Although MI5 avoided the excesses of the CIA, Golitsin was still badly handled. He was allowed to think himself too important. All defectors should be treated at arm's length, and made to earn their keep, and as little feedback as possible should ever be given them... Right from his first visit to Britain in 1963, we opened up to Golitsin, and I was responsible for that as much an anyone." (p. 315)

Under the circumstances, CIA understandably felt obliged, after a decent interval to dim recollections, to come to Golitsyn's defense, Riebling claiming that he had proved a real Cassandra in New Lies for Old when it came to the Soviet Union! (p. 407ff.) Despite all the harsh criticism by reviewers, Riebling contended, Golitsyn had predicted all the important changes which led to the rise of Mikhail Gorbachev to power, and the transformations which led to the collapse of the USSR: "This person's analysis of events in the communist world had even been provided to the Agency on a regular basis. But the American intelligence community had chosen not to listen - and the roots of that willful deafness could be traced back, ultimately thirty years, to a series of developments that caused a clash of mind-sets between CIA and FBI."

The contortions and contradictions that Anglo-American intelligence services went through to deny Golitsyn's extensive use were repeated in how London was forced at the same time to handle the Captain Simon Hayward matter. After SIS had been forced to set him up on a drug smuggling charge in Sweden because of opposition by 'Steak Knife', the British Army's most important mole among the republican paramilitaries, to his use in operations against arms shipments from Libya for the PIRA, culminating in the capture of Eksund at the end of October 1987, Margaret Thatcher was sacked three years later as Prime Minister because of its fallout.


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Topics: CIA, MI5, MI6, Oil, The Rothschild Family, Trowbridge H. Ford 2 comments:
hls said...
Sometimes if you throw enough shit at the wall, all you end up with is a wall covered in shit.

Speaking of shit, do you know what Viktor Suvorov says the GRU and KGB call ideological communists in Western nations who, refusing even to accept monetary compensation, promote the Kremlin line? Suvorov says they refer to them as "shit eaters."

9:07 PM
Anonymous said...
If Golitsyn was a plant, he would have defected in Berlin or London, and had a better KGB 'legend' to justify all the shit he was then to spill.

But he defected in Helsinki with a pretty was pretty low level KGB back-story. All he knew was about four or five agents (Paris, Berlin, Oslo, Ottawa) and knew so little he ended up fingering the wrong people (witch hunts were held in all four locations, and it was only better informed defectors like Nosenko who really got them caught).

Most people in the CIA's Soviet Division thought his ideas totally nuts after the first couple of debriefings. The only reason he is talked about now is that, just as the CIA realised they had pumped him dry, he started making up new stories to keep the spy dollars flowing. And this only worked because Angleton, after finding that his best friend Kim Philby was a spy, needed some grand story to make sense of it all.

The Angleton/Golitsyn farce was the perfect storm of two mentally ill and paranoid spies getting so much power. They bankrupted the CIA's Soviet and inter-agency work for over a decade.

The only reason Golitsyn wasn't killed for all his lies and treachery, was because that would have just proved to Angelton, Miler, Rocca and Wright that the nutty Ukrainian really was on to something.

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Posted by: Vetinari 25.Feb.2011, 08:49 PM

Trow, I have to ask you at this point: Were all your students at Holy Cross future "securocrats" secretly out to get you? It certainly seems like it going by your own stories.

And why would the college go through such lengths if they wanted to get rid of you?

Once again I fear you are creating enemies where none exist

Posted by: duogrn 26.Feb.2011, 12:12 AM

Trow, TBH, when it comes to articles, overly long sentences often become shortcomings.

While I am nowhere near turing into a grammar bully, maybe it's time to (re)read http://www.bartleby.com/141/.

Posted by: Guest 27.Feb.2011, 08:32 AM

See from today's Swenska Dagbladet that there is revived interest in The Phantom - the photofit made by a professional artist who ran into this person shortly after Palme was killed - and was the first suspect in the assassination, resulting in everyone sighting him, but since, according to my investigation, he soon left the country by air, it became increasingly less important.

For what Captain Simon Hayward looks like, here is a photograph of him from the dustcover of Tony Geraghty's The Irish War, and there is even a better match from the cover of Hayward's own book, Under Fire: My Own Story:

29 October 2003. See related:

http://cryptome.org/fru-hayward.htm
http://cryptome.org/fru-hayward2.htm

28 October 2003. Add e-mail exchange on alleged photograph of Simon Hayward. And, a Northern Ireland-knowledgeable journalist writes:

"I'm afraid somebody has sent you the biggest load of bullocks since BSE wiped out the national herd. Looks like MoD nonsense to be honest."
27 October 2003. Related: http://cryptome.org/fru-hayward.htm

26 October 2003. Comments on these charges invited. Send to [email protected]

Related: http://cryptome.org/ira-mugs.htm

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26 October 2003, 12:38 PM

Dear Mr. Young,

Since it is most difficult for me to determine when you are serious, and when you are just engaging in more "amateur bullshitting" - especially in light of your call for naming CIA agents, and when I started doing so, you simply dropped the whole project - I shall do what I can to answer your questions about 'Steak Knife' aka Padraic Wilson and DOOK, and 'Martin Ingram' aka Captain Simon Hayward and Captain James Rennie in the hope that you are serious about the matter. As for pictures of them, and others, especially the PIRA A List, I can tell you where you can find them for publication.

Wilson and Hayward were the two most important operatives in Britain's counterterrorist network in N. I. during the '80s and into the '90s. Wilson had been recruited as a spy for the Mobile Research Unit after the PIRA assassinated three Scottish soldiers on pass in the early '70s, and by the '80s he was deeply involved with MI6 in trying to stop Libyan arms shipments for 'tet offensives' by the Provisionsals, especially the Eksund in 1987.

Hayward, a member of the Life Guards, was called upon by Prime Minister Thatcher to carry out revenge kills in response for the nail bombs the PIRA set off in Hyde Park in July 1982, killing four of his colleagues, and seven of their horses. The consequence was Hayward-led, reinforced RUC headquarters mobile support units (HMSUs) carrying out the infamous Shoot-to-Kill murders of unarmed volunteers in South Armagh which Manchester Police's John Stalker was asked to investigate two years later.

While Wilson's and Hayward's paths crossed a few times later as they tried to stop the Libyan arms for the SIS and MI5 respectively, they only confronted each other in February 1987 in Ibiza when the Stalker Inquiry was in its crucial stages. By this time, Wilson had learned that Hayward was no better than the Provisionals who had caused him to become a British spy in the first place, having heard from IRA prisoners of all his brutal, unnecessary assassinations from the MI5's Michael Bettaney while on remand in Brixton Prison for trying to spy for the Soviets. They now also included those of Francis Bradley in Febraury 1986, and Seamus McElwaine a few months later, but also quite probably that of Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme on February 28, 1986.

Wilson connived with his handler Captain Margaret Walshaw aka 'Mags', and Hayward's brother Christopher, apparently the SIS agent fearing that his brother would be murdered otherwise, to see that Simon was set up on a drug smuggling charge in Sweden, setting off a most bitter struggle between the mole and the Guards officer in which London officialdom sided definitely with Wilson to insure capture of the Eksund, and the SAS cull of Jim Lynagh's ASU at Loughgall. Hayward, after his release from prison in September 1989, was so bitter about the latter that he talked endlessly, especially to Mark Urban, about it, comparing it to the Shoot-to-Kill murders.

Crunch-time for Hayward and Wilson came when the former's conviction was being reviewed on appeal in Stockholm in October 1987, its success depending on whether Hayward could destroy Wilson's pretended innocence in the set up. The UDA's John McMichael, probably at Hayward's instigation, tried to assassinate Wilson while the appeal was in recess on Octobert 9th, but Walshaw arranged that Brian Nelson redirected the murder squad to kill Francisco Notarantonio instead. Then Walshaw aka Heather Weissand supplied the Swedish prosecution with testimony that there was nothing in Hayward's claims about DOOK, insuring his incarceration.

Since then Hayward and the FRU have been in an increasingly bitter struggle, though it took the latter awhile to figure out just how deep his bitterness was. If you want to see it all spelled out, read his Under Fire: My Own Story from cover to cover.

If you want to see what lengths the British establishment went to to pacify him, read Captain James Rennie's The Operators, especially the convolved, contradictory tales that Rennie weaves about this being his real name despite official policy, and his having no trouble converting to being right handed, though he said that he was naturally left handed, and the change made him cackhanded. (p. 90) Hayward has had trouble with his right hand ever since he lost joints on his middle and ring fingers of his right hand in an accident in Cyprus.

When Tony Geraghty doubted Rennie was really the operator's real name, and put a picture of Hayward on the back of the dustjacket for The Irish War, he was subjected to all kinds of diffulties by the MoD, the Attorney General, and the D-Notice Committee, though his book was finally reprinted in paper with everything the same except for the removal of Hayward's mug shot on the back. [See below.]

To establish that 'Martin Ingram' is just another guise for Hayward, spinning more false stories, read his articles, starting with "Who guards the guards?" in the Andersonstown News in January 2001, and culminating in the piece ,"Ex-spy handler fears for Stakeknife's life," in The Guardian this past May, especially his distinguishing between 'Stakeknife' and 'Steakknife', and what should happen to them.

Pictures of Hayward can be found on the dustcover of his autobiography, and inside, while there are two photographs of Padraic Wilson illustrating the BBC story "IRA man's tribute to politicians" which appeared on the Internet on December 17, 1999.

The likely composition of the PIRA's Army Council is McGuinness, Wilson, Danny Morrison, Gerry Kelly, Mitchel McLaughlin, Brian Kennan, Joe Cahill, Pat Doherty, and John Kelly. Their photographs, and those of the others on my mugs list, are readily available.

Until I hear more from you, I shall write no more.

Sincerely yours,

[A.]

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25 October 2003, 4:21 PM

Dear A.,

Your charges are most interesting. Could you verify and document those involving the real Steak Knife, Martin Ingram and Captains Hayward and Rennie?

While the names of most leaders are well known, the true names of covert agents and their undercover roles are not and we would like to make those public along with substantiating documentation.

And we would appreciate seeing official mug shots of the leaders you name, in particular those on your List A.

Thanks very much,

John Young

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25 October 2003, 11:16 AM

Dear Mr. Young,

Since your publication of mug shots of members of the Irish Republican Army left out the leadership, List A, helping result in the Northern Ireland peace process falling into political limbo, I suggest you print the mug shots of the mugs most responsible:

(1) Prime Minister Tony Blair for not only not clearing up the confusions about who is really running the Provisionals, and for what purpose, but also for failing to appoint a truth and reconciliation commission to clear up the general mayhem of the 'dirty war', and individual judicial inquiries to solve the most brutal, unnecessary assassinations, like those of solicitors Pat Finucane and Rosemary Nelson, in light of the Cory Report.

(2) Taoiseach Bertie Ahern for pushing for a rapid restoration of devolved government at Stormont while failing to answer the most serious questions about the Republic colluding with Britain's covert operators in getting rid of the most hardline member of the PIRA's Army Council.

(3) List A of the Provisionals to show where Republicans like Gerry Adams, Martin McGuinness, and Padraic Wilson really are, so we can know if its war is really over.

(4) Secretary of State Paul Murphy merely wringing his hands about all The Troubles while his boss was colluding with Washington and Tel Aviv to fight the illegal, unnecessary war to oust Saddam Hussein from Iraq rather than resolve the outstanding issues.

(5) Attorney General Lord Goldsmith who raised no red flags about pushing ahead with the peace process when all the skeletons of Britain's covert operations, starting with the revenge assassinations going back thirty years, still risked being exposed.

(6) Former Attorney General Sir Patrick Mayhew who always put a higher priority in conducting selected assassinations rather than stopping terrorism, and enforcing the law.

(7) Former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher who preferred to deal with counterterrorists to finisih off the PIRA, and then with these same terrorists to achieve peace rather than pursue a reasonable course throughout.

(8) Foreign Foreign Secretary Sir Geoffrey Howe who was willing to slavishly follow Thatcher's U-turns until the Provisionsals assassinated Ian Gow, one of her closest friends, while she was now seeking peace with them.

(9) Former SoD George Younger who similarly followed the 'Iron Lady' until he too could no longer stomach it.

(10) Former Field Research Unilt head Brigardier Gordon Kerr who always put a higher priority on protecting underlings, especially Brian Nelson, rather than conducting a reasonable course in counterterrorism.

(11) The real 'Steak Knife', not his stand-in 'Stake Knife' aka Freddie Scappaticci, who pursued such a checkered career with the Provisionsals and the FRU that he lengthened the peace process by at least a decade.

(12) SAS NCO 'Martin Ingram' aka Captain Simon Hayward and Captain James Rennie whose contemporary, contradictory course added more years to what 'Steak Knife' was accomplishing.

Little wonder, with companions like this, that Unionist David Trimble too, with his more hardline colleagues barking at his heels, is looking for excuses to postpone acknowledging that the war is really over.

Sincerely yours,

You Know Who

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To: A.
10/27/03

I've got a copy of Geraghty's "The Irish War" with dustjacket showing two British soldiers, one on the front and one on the back, the soldier on the front being eyed by a woman peering from a window. The soldier on the back is holding a weapon.

Is this the dustjacket banned by MOD for showing Hayward? If so, is he the soldier on the front or the back?

Or can you point me to a story about the dustjacket banning?

Thanks,

John

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From: A.
10/28/03

Just got your e-mail.

Hayward is the soldier on the back of the dustjacket. You can tell that it is he not only by the face but also by the shortened middle and ring fingers on his right hand - the telltale signs of him no matter what anyone does with his name and face. It was why the Saville Commission was obliged to take unprecedented steps to protect 'Martin Ingram's identity when he testified before it awhile ago.

As for the removal of Hayward's photo when the book was reprinted in paperback, I had long been complaining about his activities, and current whereabouts to Prime Minister Blair, the Home Office's D. B. Payne of the Organised and International Crime Directorate, and Admiral Nick Wilkinson, the D-Notice Committee's Secretary, before the book appeared, but, of course, without any result. Right after the MoD's Military Police raided Geraghty's house in December 1998, I said to them that it was because of his use of Hayward. I even wondered if Wilkinson would prevent the photo from appearing if, and when the book was ever republished.

Well, it just so happens that what is on the back of the dustjacket for the hardback edition of any book disappears when it in reprinted in paper. So, the usual editorial decision, as Kate Johnson at HarperCollins who doing it explained, excused Wilkinson from having to take any steps I had in mind about the matter.

Only a conspiracy theorist would wonder, though, why the photograph was cut in half in the first place, putting what would normally be on the front on the back, and the reverse. In addition, he would wonder why the Attorney General went ahead then with prosecuting Geraghty for improper use of secret government information, only to have fellow journalist Duncan Campbell document at his trial that it was no such thing.

I can say fairly confidently, though, that without my intervention, I believe Geraghty's book would have been reprinted without Captain James Rennie's name being in quotation marks too. (p. 141) They knew that I would spot it if they did.

In sum, I know that Geraghty's treatment of Hayward, right after 'Martin Ingram' had started talking so freely with reporters from The Times in November 1998, was why all the raids occurred, and the British government went to such laborious, devious ends to hide the fact.

Sincerely, [A.]

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Sorry, the actual photographs were not reproduced, so you will just have to go to cryptome.org to actually see them. To do this, just go to this link, and scroll down to the photographs:

http://cryptome.org/ira-mugs-2.htm

Posted by: Jamtjim 27.Feb.2011, 08:54 AM

QUOTE
according to my investigation,

Definition:

Totally made up.

Yet another entry in The Local's new Trowbridgeaurus. Available free (but please make a donation to the THF Home for the Clinically Insane.)

Posted by: duogrn 27.Feb.2011, 09:00 AM

Since "Denial ain't just a river in Egypt", Trow, shall we call you Cleopatra or Pharaoh ? tongue.gif

Posted by: Guest 27.Feb.2011, 08:26 PM

No, neither of them appeal to me.

Just call me persistent sleuth, as I shall be at Palme's murder site at 11:21 PM tomorrow night in the hope of catching sight of his assassin, enjoying his moment in history 25 years ago.

Perhaps, we shall be there all alone, as it will certainly be after hours for the cops and the snoops.

Let you know what happens, if I can, on Tuesday. smile.gif

Posted by: Vetinari 27.Feb.2011, 08:37 PM

Anyone want to bet that Trow sees the assassin?

I think we all know he will, and his argument will be along the lines of "another person was in the neighborhood - what most apparently was the assasssin".

Posted by: Guest 27.Feb.2011, 08:43 PM

Yeah, I'll take the bet.

Give you four-to-one odds, say 1,000SEK against 4,000SEK.

And to win the bet, I must not only see nothing of Captain Simon Hayward, as he is banned from coming to Sweden, but must also report same.

Now don't pull a Jimmy on me!

Posted by: Vetinari 27.Feb.2011, 08:48 PM

Of course you will not see him, not when you make a bet that you will not. You have already displayed a tendency to change facts to fit your narrative.

As the bet with Jimmy, as we all know, you are the one running from that one. The Earthquake did not happen at the site you said it would. Once again you are trying to backtrack and change the story so that you come across as being right.

Oh look, my theory about you still holds up: Just another typical conspiracy nut.

Maybe you need to go back and change the number of books you published again... Maybe this time you were the Dean of Holy Cross as well?

Posted by: Guest 27.Feb.2011, 09:00 PM

Just more of your evading crap.

The alleged bet with Jimmy was a 100-to-one bet, where he would put up 100SEK, and win 10,000SEK if there was not an earthquake in Iran between a time specified. He never agreed to anything, thinking for awhile that we were talking about an earthquake in Iraq, and then the poor beggar called for his 1,000SEK - what was never mentioned.

And I have published three books, the first one being a biography of A. V. Dicey, which is still in print, a year before I resigned from my tenured position at Holy Cross where I had been fully employed for 20 years. I just didn't mention it so that I would not be mispresenting what I actually did in retirement, but facts, wherever they are, are not your strong suit.

Posted by: Vetinari 27.Feb.2011, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 27.Feb.2011, 09:00 PM) *
Just more of your evading crap.

The alleged bet with Jimmy was a 100-to-one bet, where he would put up 100SEK, and win 10,000SEK if there was not an earthquake in Iran between a time specified. He never agreed to anything, thinking for awhile that we were talking about an earthquake in Iraq, and then the poor beggar called for his 1,000SEK - what was never mentioned.


Thanks for proving my point. The bet was of course for a erthquake in a specific area, not in an entire country. Once again changing the facts. tsk tsk tsk.

QUOTE
And I have published three books, the first one being a biography of A. V. Dicey, which is still in print, a year before I resigned from my tenured position at Holy Cross where I had been fully employed for 20 years. I just didn't mention it so that I would not be mispresenting what I actually did in retirement, but facts, wherever they are, are not your strong suit.


It was two books before, and still no evidence of employment have been shown. My facts, however, remains solid as your rebuttals involve evading, changing the subject, lying, and insulting. And of course denying reality like, for example, claiming there is no difference between pink and red.

My my, we really got to you this time, didn't we?

Posted by: Jimmy 27.Feb.2011, 09:08 PM

No my bet was a straight 1000kr, no odds. It was at the site you mentioned. You even increased the time frame from what you originally stated and I accepted the increase.
There was no earthquake at that site.

And you now are admitting that there was the bet SO PAY UP.

Posted by: Guest 27.Feb.2011, 09:13 PM

No, you didn't get me this time about a bet with Jimmy, or books I have published or anything else an earlier time, and I shall continue to deny it until hell freezes over, but I have had enough of your and jamtjim's crap for one day, so you will just have to wait until tomorrow for answers to your continuing denials, lies, and defamation. smile.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 27.Feb.2011, 09:15 PM

You can't lie about the bet as you have stated that there was a bet. You really are a moron

Posted by: Jamtjim 27.Feb.2011, 09:15 PM

QUOTE
And you now are admitting that there was the bet SO PAY UP.

Yeah but Jimmy there was an earthquake but space pixies from Uranus came and sucked away the vibrations using their fiery quantum cucumbers so you actually lost!

Posted by: Jamtjim 27.Feb.2011, 09:17 PM

QUOTE
I shall continue to deny it until hell freezes over,


Denial is a river in Egypt ...

Posted by: Vetinari 27.Feb.2011, 09:18 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 27.Feb.2011, 09:13 PM) *
No, you didn't get me this time about a bet with Jimmy, or books I have published or anything else an earlier time, and I shall continue to deny it until hell freezes over, but I have had enough of your and jamtjim's crap for one day, so you will just have to wait until tomorrow for answers to your continuing denials, lies, and defamation. smile.gif


I will get answers? That would be a first...

Oh, and as always: Point out a recent lie of mine. Since they are continuing you should be able to find a recent one right?

And please, keep denying your own words. I will, like I have done before, just find them and repost them, making you look like the fool you are in the process.

Posted by: Jamtjim 27.Feb.2011, 09:24 PM

QUOTE
I have had enough of your and jamtjim's crap for one day, so you will just have to wait until tomorrow for answers to your continuing denials, lies, and defamation.


Translation from Trowish to English:

Sorely beaten, I must retire now to bed as the nurse has just inserted my sleeping pill suppository and I will soon pass ou... zzzzzzzzzz.

Posted by: Vetinari 27.Feb.2011, 09:28 PM

Secondary translation: I have problems twisting this into a way that I looks like I am right. I need some time away to mentally change what has been written so it fits with what I want the others to have written.

Posted by: Craptastical 28.Feb.2011, 09:08 AM

Trow: How do you explain the last two sentences of the following article published today? Here's a translation for those who can't read Swedish...

"She is entirely convinced that Christer Pettersson is the murderer.

'I have identified the murderer', said Lisbet Palme."

This coming from *a victim* holds a lot more water than what you've written. Or would you prefer to call her (Olaf Palme's wife) mistaken and/or a liar?

http://www.aftonbladet.se/nyheter/article8635079.ab

Posted by: Guest 28.Feb.2011, 10:41 AM

Mrs Palme is clearly mistaken, as she first identified Christer Pettersson in an illegal lineup where she dictated its terms, saw a repeat of the video lineup where only he was shown, picking him out as expected, and in a second lineup, Petterson looks like the alcoholic, villainous creature she has in mind, and for good measure, Pettersson is the only suspect wearing light colored shoes.

The Palmes are like the survivors of most assassinations, especially the Kennedys after Robert Kennedy was also assassinated because, among other things, he wanted to bring to justice the conspirators who had killed the President

There is just no percentage for them to see that justice is even sought, much less achieved, so any patsies like LHO, Pettersson, etc., just have to pay the price no matter how great the injustice.

And one of the murder attempts on me here in Sweden was just after I had been introduced to Joakim Palme, also equally sure about Pettersson being his father's killer, after a lecture on Sveavägen.

Jovan von Burchan had arranged for me to go to it, and I went despite the fact that he had earlier tried to poison me with something like polonium-210 when we were celebrating his apparent success in finding a publisher for all the articles I have written here in Sweden.

Fortunately, I found the whole experience a bit spooky, and refused to drink the toast he proposed in his "safe house" for the deal.

To get around my suspicions of him after Joakim's talk, von Burchan left me to go alone to the Shanghai restuarant where it was planned for a group of three to poison my food or drink when I went to the toilet or back to the buffee for more. Fortunately, I ordered a la cart, and never left my food.

It's really dangerous for anyone seeking justice.

Posted by: Jamtjim 28.Feb.2011, 11:14 AM

Little Trowbridge’s School Day
By Jamt H Jim

Little Trowbridge awoke early one sunny morning and stretched his tired limbs as he got out of his bed. He hummed the Funeral March cheerfully as he climbed out of his “Jason Bourne” pyjamas and donned his school uniform.

He heard the front door slam and the jaunty whistle of the milkman fresh from his morning visit to Trow’s mum.

“Funny,” he thought as he saw the line of full milk bottles standing by the front door, “those bottles were empty only last night!”

At the breakfast table he tried making pleasant conversation with his sister but as usual she just ignored him, they hadn’t communicated for months. Trowbridge felt a pang of sorrow; it was as if someone had placed a barrier between them.

Still sad, he grabbed a bowl and proceeded to open a new packet of Rice Crispies and poured a generous portion of the tasty breakfast treat into it. Without warning the free gift fell from the packet. Little Trowie jumped.

“Where did that come from?” he thought will alarm, “somebody must have placed it there!”

He suddenly realised to his horror that during the night, someone must have sneaked into his parents house, found their way into the kitchen, opened the Rice Crispies packet and placed inside a plastic figurine only to craftily reseal the packet and leave Trow’s home as if nothing had ever happened.

“These guys get everywhere,” thought Trowbridge as he ate his breakfast.

It was a beautiful summer’s morning as Trowbridge trotted his merry way to school. Not a cloud in the sky and, just over the horizon, the last of the morning stars twinkled in the dawn.

“Space lasers!” thought Trow, “That explains the breeze then.”

He kept a very close eye on that star on his walk that morning and could only relax after it finally fell out of view. Now he could breathe more easily, there would be no earthquakes today at least.

At class, the teacher called out the pupils names.

“Jeremy?”

“Here Miss.”

“Walter?”

“I’m here too Miss.”

“Trowbridge?”

Little Trowie was aghast!

“But, but Miss, how did you know my name?” he stammered.

“Well you’ve been in my class for the last six months Trowbridge, and besides it’s right here on the list.”

Trowies jaw hit the floor. As he gazed in terror at the teacher he saw the black lever arch ring binder Miss was reading from. Yes, Trow was on the Black List!

Trow’s day went from bad to worse. In maths, he discovered that not only did 2 times 3 make six, but so did 7 minus 1!

“This is all too coincidental to be chance,” mused Trow to himself, “something must be going on!”

During English, Trow discovered that the words “there”, “their” and “they’re” all sounded the same but yet were spelled differently and had different meanings. As did “two”, “too” and “to”!

In Swedish he learnt that shit was something you fixed your window with.

“That seals it (get it?), there is something amiss.”

At football training, Trowbridge was playing up front. As the ball was deftly passed up from the midfield he beat the offside trap (which was quite advanced given that he was only five) and found himself one-on-one with the keeper. Pulling the trigger of his trusty right foot, he sent the keeper the wrong way only to see the ball ricochet off the outside of the post.

“Grrr,” thought Trow, “they moved the goal posts while the ball was in the air only to replace them once the ball had bounced off leaving no trace and without anybody seeing them!”

This was all getting too much!

Upon arriving back home after school after carefully avoiding walking within sight of the evil florists (who were spreading nano-allergies) and the butchers (who as everyone knew was injecting mind control serums into the meat), Trowie ran up to his bedroom to find it suspiciously in exactly the same state as it was when he left that morning! Obviously someone had been into his room only to move everything about before replacing it all exactly where it had previously been!

Except, except! On the floor beneath his desk, his homework all complete and ready for handing in lay covered in what appeared to be glue. Next to this, the cat was clawing furiously at its leg which had mysteriously become adhered to the chair leg the glue pot stuck to its tail.

"Curse those pesky spooks," cried Trow shaking his fist in the air,"Will they stop at nothing to stop me getting my homework in on time?"

And then he heard it. From inside the wall separating his room from his sister’s, he heard the terrifying blood curdling sound of two young girls giggling!

Little Trowie’s heart froze. “They” had now even infiltrated the walls with their specially trained cyber cockroaches. The giggling noise was obviously the sound of the robosect’s secret cryptovoices.

He tore at the wall pulling off great chunks of paper and plaster and searched desperately for the offending technocritters but alas nothing could be found.

“My god,” he thought to himself, ”they must have perfected invisibility cloaks!”, before the door flew open and the “Men in Black”, disguised as “Men in White Coats” forced their way in...

Posted by: Jimmy 28.Feb.2011, 08:38 PM

How long did it take you to come up with that? Absolutely great. Laughed through lunch

Posted by: duogrn 28.Feb.2011, 09:50 PM

Chuckles !

Q: What's the opposite of Occam's Razor?
A: -- hmmhmm,
wait...


Conspiracy Theory!

Now off you go, onto being a Don Quixote with a vision opposite to that of Candide's.

Posted by: scandinavian leather 1.Mar.2011, 08:46 AM

Brilliant, jam.

Even managed to insert a lesson on homophones.

QUOTE
During English, Trow discovered that the words “there”, “their” and “they’re” all sounded the same but yet were spelled differently and had different meanings.

Posted by: Guest 1.Mar.2011, 11:44 AM

Sounds more like what one would expect from true homophobes aka the haters of mankind, ones who occupy themselves with such trivia as the world goes down the tubes. smile.gif

Posted by: Jamtjim 1.Mar.2011, 12:18 PM

Hmm, sounds like Little Trowie hasn't being paying attention in English class again today.

The word "homophobe" is used to describe a person who displays an extreme and irrational aversion to homosexuality and homosexual people, ie. only a subset of the human species. Therefore to describe a homophobe a "hater of mankind" in it's general sense is rather asinine but yet somehow totally in keeping with the nature of Trowbridge's posts.

I'm just glad he didn't misunderstand the term "homophone" to mean two telephones of the same type desperately trying to ring each other up.

Posted by: Nomark 1.Mar.2011, 12:40 PM

I rather enjoyed your Trowpost Jamtjim.

Posted by: Jamtjim 1.Mar.2011, 01:19 PM

@Jimmy, duogrn, scandinavian leather and Nomark

Thanks guys, I try my best.

And from that last post, I would like to add an update to the Trowbrigeaurus:

Definition:

Trowpost

A Trowpost is quite simply any post made on the forum by Trowbridge Harris Ford or about him and his crackpot theories on this forum in in any other media.

If written by THF, a Trowpost is likely to be long and rambling to the point where it becomes a Trowathon (see below), but invariably it is found to contain unsubstantiated speculation, utter nonsense and of course rabid jibbing and name calling towards the authors of other Trowposts who oppose his Trowths or even ask for explanations of them.

If written by anyone other than THF, a Trowpost will usually employ logic and reason as tools to argue against a Trowth. It may involve humour or parody to raise a giggle at some of the most extreme or silly Trowths presented in a THF Trowpost. But almost always a non-THF Trowpost will counter the THF one and therefore using Occam's Razor, is more likely to be correct. In fact most if not all non-THF Trowposts are likely to turn out to be THF Trowposts in disguise.

Trowathon

A Trowathon is a THF authored Trowpost the length which exceeds the limits of human endurance. An exact word count whereby a reader gives up through irritation or sheer boredom has yet to be and thus the precise point a Trowpost becomes a Trowathon has yet to be decided but is thought to be around 400 words falling to around 100 in a Trowpost centring mainly on THF's views on how great he is. There are legal moves afoot to require all Trowathons to carry a government health warning advising the reader not to drive or operate heavy machinery after reading one.

Posted by: Jamtjim 1.Mar.2011, 02:44 PM

Opps!

QUOTE
In fact most if not all non-THF Trowposts are likely to turn out to be THF Trowposts in disguise.

Should read:

In fact most if not all non-THF Trowposts which support a THF Trowpost are likely to turn out to be THF Trowposts in disguise.

Posted by: Guest 2.Mar.2011, 07:47 AM

Instead posters should read this:



Why Damaged Covert Operator Derek Bird Finally Went On The Rampage in Cumbria
by
Trowbridge H. Ford

No part of Britain has experienced more change since World War II than Cumbria, that wild, isolated northwestern corner of the kingdom which has surprisingly improved considerably because of government help, especially in the military and energy sectors. Long known for the ports of Cumberland and wilds of Westmorland, it engaged more often in illegal trade, especially with the Isle of Man, than any legimitate enterprise like mining, farming, forestry or fishing. Of course, it had long been a tourist attraction with its famous Lake District, but that did little to help its domestic residents: It was only during the postwar that the area began to radically change with the permanent establishment of the British military in the new county, Britain's nuclear energy being centered at the generating plant at Sellafield, and the growing fields of winds gnerators in the Solway Firth.

While this growing investment of government money in Cumbria was to make a world of difference to the area, it was slow in making any serious impact upon its inhabitants until the 1970s. The biggest change was caused by Britain's increasing involvement in colonial wars, and shoring up NATO's naval activity in the Northeast Atlantic - what caused the build-up of Cumbria's military establishments. The most important long-term development was the vast build-up of the British Army's training establishment at Warcop. Started during WWII to provide the Canadian tank forces with training for the Normandy invasion, it became a permanent facility after war's end, growing to around 12,000 hectares now, most of it north of the Eden River, and all of it on the east side of the Lake District National Park. In the process, so many soliders, recruited domestically and from the colonies, found the area so inviting after they completed a very short career with a very generous retirement. Carlisle is particularly noted to its retired military personnel, especially Nepal's famous Gurkas.

Little wonder when Britain became deeply involved in the growing civil war in Ireland, and the increasing civil unrest at home during the 1970s that British Army recruiters looked to local boys to fill the ranks, and it was hardly surprising that Derek Bird, the youngest of Joe Bird's three sons, joined the ranks. Joe Bird lived in a house in the most remote Ennerby Bridge which he had inherited from his grandfather, apparently Thomas Bird, after he failed to gain ownership of Brougham Hall from former Lord Chancellor Brougham, first by telling its tenants not to pay his Lordship their rents, and then by occupacy - what ultimately resulted in a successful tresspass action against Bird in 1843. When it was proved that Brougham Hall was not the same property as the "Bird's Nest", Thomas Bird settled for living nearby as a country gentleman. Joe Bird was much like his grandfather, doing little besides talking to everyone who would listen, and hunting for rabbits.

Derek's chosing the Army was pretty much directed by the family's and the area's limited opportunities. Being the youngest of three children, born quite close together, and having a fraternal twin brother David who performed much better in the same class at Ehenside Community School - establising them as a "chalk and cheese" couple - and went on to a successful career in the community as a mechanic and land developer, Derek, 19 years old, answered the call when Major General Dick Trant, Commander of Land Forces (CLF) in Northern Ireland, wanted to expand the forces there to meet the growing IRA threats. In 1977, he wanted to complement the 14 Intelligence Company with the formation of Close Observation Platoons (COPs) for each of the thirty battalions serving two-year 'residential' tours there, and one for the four-month-tour battalion stationed in South Armagh, having found the loosely-ogranized Northern Ireland Patrol Group (NIPG) formed the year before to provide intelligence inadequately trained, and not permanently stationed in the province.

About the COPs, Mark Urban wrote in Big Boys' Rules, they "...would take the best soldiers from the battalion and give them expert training in observation techniques. The CLF and the brigade commanders would be able to use the new platoons anywhere in Ulster, not just inside the area of the particular battalion to which they belonged. COPs were to become important in establishing the regular patterns of activity among ASUs (IRA Active Service Units) and movements of key republicans." (p. 45) The trouble with the plan was that the Army was unable to find enough soldiers from the battalions that it wanted, so it had to recruit volunteers for the new 'SAS-type units'. In June 1977, The Times reported the drive, stating that the Army was looking for 300 volunteers for the new undercover force, but, according to Urban, it had to settle for about 200, indicating that it was accepting just about anyone who wanted to join, and Derek certainly wanted to.

The biggest cause of Trant creating the SOPs was the failure of the NIPG to have any idea of what Provo terrorist Francis Hughes was up to, especially when he and colleagues Dominc McGlinchey and Ian Milne shot dead two officers of a RUC Special Patrol Group when it tried to capture them in a car chase on April 8, 1977 - what turned out so badly that the authorities later claimed that it was at a checkpoint when they tried to inspect their Volkswagen. The 14 Intelligence Company aka 'the Det' and the RUC's Special Branch had been vigorously trying to capture the Provos' South Derry commander since he had apparently killed an elderly Protestant woman, Hester McMullan, for no reason when they killed the two rather clueless RUC members and wounded another. The capture of the trio seemed almost assured when they lost control of their car after being flagged down, and ended up stuck in a ditch while attempting a U-turn. But they came ouf of the vehicle with all guns firing, the kind of thing, another PIRA commander opined, that Hughes would do while he was on his way to plan a similar murder. "Shortly afterwards," Peter Taylor
concluded in The Brits, "police posters went up all over the province featuring Francis Hughes, the most wanted man in the North." (p. 210) Little wonder that the British Army had no reservations about accepting a most dubiouis volunteer for the SOPs under the circumstances.

Even the Army, though, was persuaded that conditions were not bad enough to take Bird into the COPs during his 24-week long basic training, as he just barely got through it, hardly justifying his going on in its special COP course. Instead, Bird joined the regular ranks, and started serving soon with the Gloucester Battalion, though, not very well, as he was used as an errand boy for the ranks rather than preparing to take on combat action himself.

It was while it was involved in the stakeout of a Maghera farmhouse near South Derry's Glenshane Pass, hoping to catch Hughes unawares when he surfaced there, that Bird pulled off its greatest success. On March 16, 1978, two COPS soldiers, Lance Corporal David Jones, who was on secondment from the 3rd Parachute Battalion, and Lance Corporal Kevin Smyth, were manning the observation post when they spotted two arned men in camouflage clothing, heading for the farmhouse. Jones, thinking they might be members of the British Army's Ulster Defence Regiment (UDR) because of the insigna on their jackets, stood up, and challenged them to identify themselves. The two Provos returned the challenge with bullets, resulting in a firefight which wounded Jones, who later died, and Smyth. The two Provos apparently escaped unharmed.

In the aftermath of the firefight, soldiers from 'the Dets' back-up team, and the Quick Reaction Force (QRF) looked high and low for the Provisional gunmen the whole morning but without success. Taylor claimed that Hughes was found by a corporal called Geoffrey from the QRF, following a trail of blood that he had left as he tried to make his escape. (p. 211) Actually, this was a cover story to protect the identity of the soldier who had, Private Walnut apparently aka Private Bird. His career in the Army had only gotten worse the day before as he had been put in a cell for appearing dirty on parade day, and had only been released because of the emergency Hughes had caused. During the morning, Bird, the battalion tea boy, had been sent back to headquarters to get refreshments for the search parties, and had just returned.

Thirty years later former UDR officer Wallace Clarke described what happened to Hughes, thanks to the initiative of Private Bird: "Now he wondered off with a dog handler and it was he who spotted a figure propped up against a tree trunk in a deep wooded guilly..." who turned out to be the most wanted Hughes. Thanks to his capture, the charges against Bird were dismissed, and he gained the code-name "Private Walnut" for having spotted Hughes leaning up against a walnut tree. They are becoming more common in Ireland for their nuts, but until recently, they were not seriously cultivated because of the difficulties of getting them started, and keeping them from rotting. For more about Hughes' capture, see this link:

http://victims.org.uk/s08zhk/index.php?option=com_context&ask=view&id=122&Itemid=72

As a result, eagle-eye Bird got the sobriquet "Birdy", and he and the doghandler Geoffrey, according to the Sergeant Major, would never have to pay for a drink in the Company bar.(Taylor, p. 211)

It was then that Bird, it seems, was given his COP training, and returned to Northern Ireland to help in the efforts of its seven COPs to prevent ASUs from ambushing British soldiers, as the number of casualities began to show. "In 1983 five regular British Army soliders were killed, compared to 10 UDR members and eighteen RUC members, and in 1984 nine regular Army soldiers were killed compared to ten UDR members and eight police officers. Most of the UDR murders and many of those of RUC members took place when they were off duty." (Urban, p. 188) Little more is known of Bird's actions during this time than that he started living with LInda Mills, most likely from Northern Ireland since hardly anything is known about her, and established a home back in Cumbria for her. They never married.

Little wonder that the security chiefs then got the COPs to increasingly protect these soft targets not only to save lives but also to insure that local security forces were not depleted to the Provos' advantage."The COPs were given their duties," Urban expained; "by the TCG (Tasking and Co-ordination Groups of the RUC) operation centres. Some of their missions were based on informer intelligence identifying a specific threat to an individual, but high-grade information of that kind was normally given to the Int and Sy Group, leaving the COPs with little better to operate on than local hearsay and the guesswork of intelligence officers." (p. 188)

It was doing operations like this that Bird became better known, ultimately leading Wallace Clarke to write his glowing account of Private Walnut's capture of Hughes on its thirthieth anniversary. Wallace had apparently been moved to join the UDR because of what had happened to another Clarke - William, quite possibly a relative, but at least one whose fate had most stuck in Wallace's mind. William Clarke was also in the UDR, and was killed while off duty by the IRA after he had visited some relatives in the Republic, and was making his way home when he was shot dead by the Provos as he motored along a lane, Gortnessy, in Pettigoe, County Donegal. Bird, it seems, was so good in stopping the murders of off duty policemen and local soldiers while preparing regular soldiers for more elite duty that he was asked to join the 14 Intelligence Company around 1985. (For his apparent photograph, and the fact that he was sent to 'the Det' while another went to the SAS, see the photographs in Urban's book of four COP operators with their faces blacked out, and the inside evidence he has about two of them. though note that he made no mention of how Hughes was captured, and Private Walnut's crucial role in it.)

Hardly surprising that Birdy became involved when the Thatcher government decided to get rid of Sweden's statsminister Olof Palme, and make it look like Moscow did it so the Cold War could be settled by a conventional, preemptivie war which would avoid the use of nuclear weapons. At the time, the RUC was pursuing young Francis Bradley of Magherafelt, County Londonderry, on suspicion that he had been involved in the May 1985 killing of RUC reservist, R. J. Evans. Bradley had gotten on the RUC's radar screen of suspects in killings because of his attending the funeral of Antoin MacGiolla Bride who was shot dead by the SAS on December 2, 1984 during which he hit on the head by an RUC baton which required stitches. The RUC put mounting pressure on him to admit to the Evans murder and/or to become an informant, neither of which Bradley agreed to.

Conditions only became worse for him after covert operators, it seems, ratched up matters by shooting up the unnamed Castledawson Police Station on December 9, 1985 - apparently the opening shots of the campaign to sink the Soviets and their allies, especially the IRA and its arms supplier, Gaddafi's Libya. The RUC was joined by the 14 Intelligence Company, particulary its South Detachment's CO, Captain Simon Hayward, in hounding Bradley for the crime, making it clear that he would never get married nor live to see Easter. By this time, the CLF was Major General Tony Jeappes - the only former commanding officer of the 22 SAS Regiment to hold the post - who was willing to conduct the most aggressive actions for the Crown. About Hayward's role in the campaign, note how Bradley's close friend Seamus O'Connor described their leading antagonist: "He was 5'10'' tall, well built, 30-35 of age." (Quoted from Raymond Murray, The SAS in Ireland, p. 351) For what Hayward looks like in battle gear, see the back of the dustcover to Tony Geraghty´s The Irish War.

When it came time to start the showdown with the Soviets, the trial assassination of Bradley on February 18, 1986 in preparation for the one in Stockholm ten days later, Hayward led the ambush squad, and Bird apparently did the actual killing. The squad had veiled its mission as best it could by mounting a stakeout for about two weeks of the house yard where it would take place. (Urban, p. 216) Then it was just a question of getting Bradley there - what was accomplished by a local IRA man asking him to move a cache of weapons from Kevin Walls' house. When Bradley started doing so, he was gunned down by a barrage of gunfire, the first one apparently from Hayward, aka Soldier 'A' wihch hit Bradley's in the buttocks, and the last ones by Soldier 'C' apparently aka Derek Bird, a burst of fire..."into the young man's stomach which proved fatal." (Murray, p 356)

While there were a multitude of questions about the killing, almost none of which were adequately answered, the most disturbing ones were supplied by Soldier 'C' in a written statement at the inquest, held at the Magherafelt in March 1987. In it, he described in most alarming terms the killing which seems nothing more than shooting an unarmed man, as the squad had had about a fortnight to make sure that the weapons were not armed, in the back until he collasped to the ground on his back where he was finished off at close range. "I did so fearing for my safety", Soldier 'C' explained, and he finished off Bradley when he "...realised that he was moving into a position to engage me, I just opened fired instinctively and ran through the gap into the farmyard where I took cover by the farm building..." (Quoted from Murray, pp. 355-6.) Neither he nor Soldier 'A' attended the inquest, preventing them from being cross-examined about anything.

By the time the inquest occurred, political affairs had changed radically. While Palme had been assassinated, there was no chance of blaming the Soviets because they were prepared for it, thanks to the spying by Ames, Hansson and others, and London was still burdened with Gaddafi, especially the weapons he was sending on the Eksund for a Provisional 'tet' offensive - what had to be stopped at any cost. This required satisfying London's major spy involved in the capture, "Steak knife" in the IRA leadership, and he demanded that Hayward be set up for punishment in Sweden for another crime to make up for his assassination of Palme - what was agreed to. Moreover, Hayward's role in shoot-to-kill murders was being increasingly debated, thanks to the removal of John Stalker from investigating them. This led to Hayward's appeal for alleged drug smuggling to stand in October 1987, forcing his retirement from the British Army in 1988 when he was serving his five-year sentence in Malmö prison.

It seems that Bird suffered a similar fate - since he might well have been one of the assassins stalking Palme too, given his role in the Bradley trial run - forced out of the Army, and given essentially a new identity by becoming Derrick Bird, what he was known as when he was given a joiner's job at Sellafield's nuclear site around this time. Bird, unfortunately, returned to his earlier 'dirty' ways, stealing wood from the plant for which he lost the cushy job. Then his relationship with Linda Mills went down the drain when he fathered a second child - who he wanted aborted - and she persisted in having, leaving him permanently, and without a word more to him. Then his father Joe provided his twin brother David with £25,000 from his savings without telling Derrick, and which David had not paid back by the time Joe died. Derrick's cab-driving became increasingly tense because of the fighting over customers, and the banter among the cabbies while waiting for more.

It seems, given the fact that several of them were also veterans, that it often turned on Bird's service, especially after Wallace Clarke published the most favorable article about Private Wlnut's feat. It was after that that Bird was often heard that he would "...like to kill them all", meaning family, fellow cabbies, and former soldiers. The crisis peaked when John Larkin, a long-time critic of the Bradley assassination, became Northern Ireland's first Attorney General since Britain took direct rule, and announced at the end of May that there would be a new inquest into the Bradley killing where his killers, Soldiers 'A' and 'C', would not only be obliged to attend, but they would be cross-exmained about their testimony. It was this, not alleged tax owed the Internal Revenue, which had Bird complaining to his colleagues that he faced possibly six to ten years in prison for his crimes.

On the moring of June 2nd, Bird went on the rampage, taking vengeance not only on family and cabbies who had allegedly cheated him out of money but also veterans who had on occasion humiliated him over his fall from the COPs and 'the Det'. Bird killed Ken Fishburn, a "lifetime Army man" who served 25 years in the Durham Light Infantry before he retired, with a blast from his shotgun, fifty meters from his house. Donald Reed, a former cook with the Royal Irish Regiment, would have suffered the same fate earlier if he had not reacted with his counter terrorism training from the Army immediately when Bird started shooting at him, knowing that he was quite skilled with weapons because of his Army service. And it was also another cabbie and apparently former Army veteran Richard Webster who made sure that Bird didn't kill him by calling him off. These three, it seems, knew about Bird's secret Army career, and had driven him over the edge when it came to dealing with his real problems, not taxes, guns, wills, loans, fares, etc.

The MoD, it seems, put a veil of secrecy over the carnage, limiting coverage of the killing to a bare minimum, with the media often just repeating what little bits others had reported, making sure that Bird's secret years from about 1977 to 1989 were never reported. And it seems that it will stay that way even now as there has been no movement by Chief Coroner John Lecky in the Bradley killing in three months, and it is unlikely there will be with HMG apparently closing down the ordered inquest in the name of national security.

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The only addition to this article is that while there has been no movement on the new inquest into Bradley's murder in the last six months, there are inquests now into the killing of Bird, and his twelve victims, the Crown apparently thinking it can get away with covering up why he did it all.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Mar.2011, 10:16 AM

A fairly typical conspiracy theory in this Trowathon as part of his ever growing Trowathlon (see below for definition), a real documented event coupled with wild speculative and crack pot theories backed up with absolutely no source material whatsoever save a link to a page which doesn’t exist!

Poor, poor work Trowie. I hope you are now going to relinquish your doctorate like former German Defence Minister Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg who gave up his due to use of lies for self-promotion and personal gain. Maybe you can tell us where you had your degree granted so that we may petition them for is revocation as I'm sure any self-respecting institution would not want their good name being linked to such bad taste rumours such as this?

Definition:

Trowathlon

A Trowathlon is a series of Trowathons spread over one or a variety of threads, often with differing themes, but all hopelessly conspiratorial and posted with the aim of bolstering the already vastly over-estimated ego of the poster THF himself. Often these Trowathons may be self-contradictory, fantastical to the extreme and easy discredited by the judicious use of Occam's Razor. However all Trowathons fall within the Trowth which is unsuprising as just about any whack job theory does by definition.

Posted by: Guest 2.Mar.2011, 11:45 AM

Just the usual narcissistic crap that one can expect from you.

I supplied over a dozen sources for the most controversial aspects of my claims, and could provide at least another two dozen about matters which are not so - e. g., Cumbria, the National Park, Brougham Hall, the Birds, especially Thomas, etc., etc. etc.

As for the link, it certain does exist: just been moved, and here it is:

http://victims.org.uk/s08zhk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=122&Itemid=72

And my Ph.D is from Columbia University, and as different as possible from the one Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg copied while he was trying to save Chancellor Merkel from being exposed as the former Stasi and KGB spy ANITA.

In fact, my dissertation is so original that I had to threaten Columbia University with a law suit if the objecting examiner, Professor Robert K. Webb, got his way in rejecting it because I had not overlooked the plagiarism the son of the famous Professor Robert K. Merton had committed in my class, back in the spring of 1963, when I was teaching at Columbia College.

No wonder you stick to your warped fantasies, as you cannot fathom anything serious and most controversial about today's world.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Mar.2011, 12:15 PM

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In fact, my dissertation is so original that I had to threaten Columbia University with a law suit if the objecting examiner, Professor Robert K. Webb, got his way in rejecting it because I had not overlooked the plagiarism the son of the famous Professor Robert K. Merton had committed in my class, back in the spring of 1963, when I was teaching at Columbia College.

So you only got your degree by using legal threats as opposed to the actual merits of your dissertation... that explains a lot!

Posted by: Guest 2.Mar.2011, 12:30 PM

Just more grabbing for straws, jämtjim.

You act as if anyone can get a university like Columbia to crawl on its belly over the most baseless threats.

Actually, the Dean of the Engineer School, where young Robert Merton - the ecomonist who shared the Nobel Prize a few years ago - was enrolled, told me during the dispute that Professor Webb had told him that he would sink me if he ever got the chance.

And when he did, he was stopped, thanks to the open-and-shut case I had against Webb.

And the dissertation was published in two volumes by Barry Rose Legal Publishers - the publisher which published the official proceeding of the local courts in Justice of the Peace in which I had an article about American law reform in its issue concerning its 150th anniversary.

It's really disgusting to deal with a person like you who just adopts on the spur of the moment and without any research or evidence whatever suits him when it comes to matters like me.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Mar.2011, 12:47 PM

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And the dissertation was published in two volumes by Barry Rose Legal Publishers -


And tell me, was the book entitled "How to write a crackers conspiracy theory" by any chance. Or perhaps "How not to write a dissertation" or perhaps "Written a crap dissertation? Here's how to sue."

Hohoho,, haha... Keep 'em coming Trow!

By the way, how did your visit to Plames murder scene go?

Posted by: Guest 2.Mar.2011, 01:29 PM

It didn't go, as I never got there.

The Exide battery in my Renault 19 passed away in our garage on Monday afternon, apparently wink.gif a victim of natural selection, and by the time I located a new one, and got it home, I was too tired to go anywhere. Apparently, my cells wanted to join it in the world's junk pile.

Still, I just mentioned the visit in case the police again had no presence there, and Palme's assassin tried to savor his moment in history. Apparently smile.gif , he didn't.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Mar.2011, 01:39 PM

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The Exide battery in my Renault 19 passed away in our garage on Monday afternon, apparently wink.gif a victim of natural selection, and by the time I located a new one, and got it home,


I expect some spook with a voltage disrupting banana laser sucked all the juice out!

Posted by: The Nine 2.Mar.2011, 05:16 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 2.Mar.2011, 11:45 AM) *
Just the usual narcissistic crap that one can expect from you.

I supplied over a dozen sources for the most controversial aspects of my claims, and could provide at least another two dozen about matters which are not so - e. g., Cumbria, the National Park, Brougham Hall, the Birds, especially Thomas, etc., etc. etc.

As for the link, it certain does exist: just been moved, and here it is:

http://victims.org.uk/s08zhk/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=122&Itemid=72

And my Ph.D is from Columbia University, and as different as possible from the one Karl-Theodor zu Guttenberg copied while he was trying to save Chancellor Merkel from being exposed as the former Stasi and KGB spy ANITA.

In fact, my dissertation is so original that I had to threaten Columbia University with a law suit if the objecting examiner, Professor Robert K. Webb, got his way in rejecting it because I had not overlooked the plagiarism the son of the famous Professor Robert K. Merton had committed in my class, back in the spring of 1963, when I was teaching at Columbia College.

No wonder you stick to your warped fantasies, as you cannot fathom anything serious and most controversial about today's world.


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I supplied over a dozen sources for the most controversial aspects of my claims, and could provide at least another two dozen about matters which are not so - e. g., Cumbria, the National Park, Brougham Hall, the Birds, especially Thomas, etc., etc. etc.

Cumbria? Well done Sherlock. Hardley needed research to conclude this event happened there. As for Brougham Hall, and Thomas Bird, you have constantly tried to create some link between Derrick Bird, this house, and it's past owners.
Your statements on this have not amounted to anything other than YOU stating that Derrick Bird was in some way decended from the (long since vacated) Bird family of Brougham Hall. Your beleif in this lineage seems to revelve around the single premise that both parties share a common surname. ( A surname that is not that uncommon in Cumbria)
Furthermore, you are apparently the author of a book about this house and it's history. Surely your knowledge of this house and its occupants woud enable you to refer to solid and tangible evidence that Derrick Bird was a direct relative of The Brougham Hall Birds. Being that Brougham hall was not divided and sold off until the 1950's, surely the proof of Derrick Birds lineage would not be hard to prove? So why have you not done so? Surely it would endorse your stand point.

Posted by: Guest 2.Mar.2011, 08:17 PM

Just the expected missing the point by our resident dog turd thrower - you know, the guy who couldn't even hit Pinochet with allegedly anything when he had the chance. The Nine is another adjective to describe hopelessness.

I only mentioned the bit about the Birds and Brougham Hall because he fitted in perfectly with the book I wrote about Lord Chancellor Brougham.

Of course, that is beside the point now, especially after Derrick Bird shot up Cumbria because of his fear that he would be exposed as the killer of Francis Bradley - the tune-up for the assassination of Sweden's statsminister Olof Palme where Bird did the killing, and Palme assassin, Captain Simon Hayward, got his first experience in an ambush assassination.

Ten days later, roles were apparently reversed when Hayward did the killing, and Bird, it seems, did some of the preparation and cover up of the assassination.

But don't expect any clarification by the inquests currently going on in Cumbria, as it is all a cover up of what Britain's police-state killers regularly perform.

Posted by: The Nine 3.Mar.2011, 10:27 AM

Let us just side step your need to throw insults for a moment, and go back to the point. On the contarary Trowbridge, in your initial (and numerous) posts relating to Derrick Bird and his motives, you stated many times that Derrick Birds motives were grounded in some dispute with his brother that related to being cheated out of a share in Brougham Hall.

Moreover, you stated that, although the Bird family were not the owners, they were long standing retainers to the owners and were bequeathed some kind of stake in the property. Subesquently, this did not transpire upon the hall being sold, and you stated that Derrick Birds rampage was provoked by some issue with his brother and the family solicitor relating to this matter.

There is no point in denying it. Its chroncled numerous times in your posts.

Now, are you going to clarify the point, or revert to throwing insults as a way of delecting from answering?

Posted by: Guest 3.Mar.2011, 11:26 AM

Just your usual bollocks, and, of course, no quotations to support your false and misleanding claims about what I wrote.

I did wonder if the failure of the Thomas Birds to gain title to Brougham Hall by illegally occuping it during the 1840s had something to do with the origin of Derrick Bird's disgruntlement, and it did, as his family was obliged to live in very marginal circumstances, forcing Derrick Bird to seek employment in the BA as soon as he could.

And you, as usual, have nothing to say about why he was forced to resign from it, and went on the rampage a few days after Northern Ireland Attorney General John Larkin ordered a new inquest into his murder of Francis Bradley, the trial one for the assassination of Olof Palme here in Stockholm - what Chief Coroner John Lecky has done nothing about, apparently because it is now a dead letter because of Bird's suicide after he committed mass murder on all who knew or suspected what a scum bag he was.

How much more can you get screwed up?

Posted by: The Nine 3.Mar.2011, 12:04 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 3.Mar.2011, 11:26 AM) *
Just your usual bollocks, and, of course, no quotations to support your false and misleanding claims about what I wrote.

I did wonder if the failure of the Thomas Birds to gain title to Brougham Hall by illegally occuping it during the 1840s had something to do with the origin of Derrick Bird's disgruntlement, and it did, as his family was obliged to live in very marginal circumstances, forcing Derrick Bird to seek employment in the BA as soon as he could.

And you, as usual, have nothing to say about why he was forced to resign from it, and went on the rampage a few days after Northern Ireland Attorney General John Larkin ordered a new inquest into his murder of Francis Bradley, the trial one for the assassination of Olof Palme here in Stockholm - what Chief Coroner John Lecky has done nothing about, apparently because it is now a dead letter because of Bird's suicide after he committed mass murder on all who knew or suspected what a scum bag he was.

How much more can you get screwed up?


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Just your usual bollocks, and, of course, no quotations to support your false and misleanding claims about what I wrote.


See below quote.

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I did wonder if the failure of the Thomas Birds to gain title to Brougham Hall by illegally occuping it during the 1840s had something to do with the origin of Derrick Bird's disgruntlement, and it did


My reason for not trawling back through your old posts on the subject was because your assertions about this matter were very clear and you repeated them several times. For that reason I considered that , as the instigator of such statements, you would recall them without the need for a prompt. As your quote on this post clearly shows, you did recall them. Regardless of your nick picking Trow, you stated a link between this old house, the Bird family who were once associated with it, AND the actions of Derrick Bird. I was simply pointing out that yolu have never ever proved Derrick Bird was even vaguely related to the Birds of Brougham hall, let alone that it had anything to do with his actions.

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forcing Derrick Bird to seek employment in the BA as soon as he could.
And you, as usual, have nothing to say about why he was forced to resign from it, and went on the rampage


Once again, you have never shown Bird was ever in the Army. His life shows he went to work at Sellafield only a year or so after leaving school. That's a hard fact. I say nothing about why he was 'forced to resign from the Army' because he was never in the army and therefore it negates the premise.

Posted by: Guest 3.Mar.2011, 01:23 PM

Still no quotations about my claims regarding Derrick Bird essentially being concerned about the family's hold on Brougham Hall and how it was divided among Joe Bird's family, and hardly surprising since it is just bollocks. Read the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of my article that I posted on the previous page.

As for Bird always working at Sellafield, no one there knew of him before 1990 when he, not they, joined it. And then, according to you, Bird still had the lowest job on the place, being a joiner after apparently 14 years employment.

And there is nothing by you about announcement of the new inquest into Bradley's murder, how nervous Soldier 'C' was about it all at the time and became increasingly so, once Chief Coroner announced he was immediately going ahead with it, only to have it all stop when Birdy went on the rampage.

Who could have been Soldier 'C' if it was not Bird, and if it wasn't, why has it just been forgotten about after all the demands for one???

You just refuse to answer the most elementary things about anything really controversial, especially when it concerns the out-of-control British securocrats.

Posted by: The Nine 3.Mar.2011, 02:26 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 3.Mar.2011, 01:23 PM) *
Still no quotations about my claims regarding Derrick Bird essentially being concerned about the family's hold on Brougham Hall and how it was divided among Joe Bird's family, and hardly surprising since it is just bollocks. Read the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of my article that I posted on the previous page.

As for Bird always working at Sellafield, no one there knew of him before 1990 when he, not they, joined it. And then, according to you, Bird still had the lowest job on the place, being a joiner after apparently 14 years employment.

And there is nothing by you about announcement of the new inquest into Bradley's murder, how nervous Soldier 'C' was about it all at the time and became increasingly so, once Chief Coroner announced he was immediately going ahead with it, only to have it all stop when Birdy went on the rampage.

Who could have been Soldier 'C' if it was not Bird, and if it wasn't, why has it just been forgotten about after all the demands for one???

You just refuse to answer the most elementary things about anything really controversial, especially when it concerns the out-of-control British securocrats.


QUOTE
Still no quotations about my claims regarding Derrick Bird essentially being concerned about the family's hold on Brougham Hall and how it was divided among Joe Bird's family, and hardly surprising since it is just bollocks. Read the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of my article that I posted on the previous page.


You really do need to read back through your own posts before you post them Trow. A classic Goldwyn-ism.You begin by challeging me to provide proof of what you said, whilst actually elaborating on the gist of my comment, and then declare my words to be false.. ?**?

Let is be clear Trow. All I said was that YOU had previously made some link between Derrick Bird, Brougham Hall, and some shennangigans and double dealing regarding its past ownership. Furthermore, you had stated that this affair had some kind of baring on Derrick Birds actions of June 2nd last year. That is what I said.
I have some recollection from last year that you further mentioned that Birds reason for killing his brother and family solicitor was also related to this business. However, if that last point is incorrect, I am happy for you to correct me.

I have had a quick look back through the thread index and strangely cannot even find the thread in question. However, I am sure you and others will endorse that A thread exists that included the words Cumbria Carnage in its title. Correct? Many of us posted lotsof posts. I didnt dream that.

However, as you have since endorsed with your own words, in the last few posts, YOU DID make some reference to a connection between Derrick Bird, Brougham Hall, and an issue over its ownership. Furthermore, that you still maintain this issue had a baring on his actions. YOU HAVE JUST REPEATED IT A COUPLE OF POSTS BACK. What more to you want me to prove? You just agreed that you did.

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about my claims regarding Derrick Bird essentially being concerned about the family's hold on Brougham Hall and how it was divided among Joe Bird's family,


Since raising this with you I have NEVER mentioned anyone called Joe Bird or anything about how Brougham Hall was divided between his family. You have raised this, not me. I simply asked you what proof you had that Derrick Bird, Brougham Hall, and the Bird family who you say were associated with it, were one and the same family? Any specifics are irrelevent until you show they are linked.

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As for Bird always working at Sellafield, no one there knew of him before 1990 when he, not they, joined it. And then, according to you, Bird still had the lowest job on the place, being a joiner after apparently 14 years employment.


Bird was fired FROM Sellafield in 1990 AFTER 14 years. He started in 1976 aged 19, having left school at 16 and undertaken a 2 year carpentery/joinery course at a local technical college. It's well documented.

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Who could have been Soldier 'C' if it was not Bird, and if it wasn't, why has it just been forgotten about after all the demands for one???


Not Derrick Bird it would seem as he was never in the armed forces. If you look at any of the stuff that was printed in the local Cumbria press, there are plenty of references and photos to his life prior to being sacked from Sellafiled.

Posted by: Guest 3.Mar.2011, 04:11 PM

Just more bollocks about this connection between Brougham Hall and the Birds which I have done my best to answer as I do not recollect the thread you are claiming, and I am not about to go looking for it as I think that its marginality has been fully explored.

As for Bird working from 1976 to 1990 at Sellafield when he, according to you, was fired, it is clearly untrue. The 1990 bit is a misuse of what all his co-workers at Sellafield said about getting to know him, and the fact that they all stated 1990 showed that that was when he came there, as it would be most unlikely for all the people who said they knew him since then arrived at the same time.

Bird was fired a few years later for stealing.

And you have wrongly used this to state that he worked at Sellafield FROM 1976 TO 1990.

And I have looked high and low for stories and photos of Linda Mills and Derrick Bird living there during this time.

Would you link one of the many stories?

Posted by: The Nine 3.Mar.2011, 06:21 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 3.Mar.2011, 04:11 PM) *
Just more bollocks about this connection between Brougham Hall and the Birds which I have done my best to answer as I do not recollect the thread you are claiming, and I am not about to go looking for it as I think that its marginality has been fully explored.

As for Bird working from 1976 to 1990 at Sellafield when he, according to you, was fired, it is clearly untrue. The 1990 bit is a misuse of what all his co-workers at Sellafield said about getting to know him, and the fact that they all stated 1990 showed that that was when he came there, as it would be most unlikely for all the people who said they knew him since then arrived at the same time.

Bird was fired a few years later for stealing.

And you have wrongly used this to state that he worked at Sellafield FROM 1976 TO 1990.

And I have looked high and low for stories and photos of Linda Mills and Derrick Bird living there during this time.

Would you link one of the many stories?

Only 3 or 4 posts ago you stated that you still believed that Derrick Bird was related to some affair with Brougham Hall and that it played some part in his actions. What is your problem man? You are argueing against yourself. I simply asked you to reiterate your grounds for believeing BD was associated to Brougham and the Bird family that YOU insist are related to derrick Bird. It isnt rocket science. You are arguing against your own words here. You have said that your believe they are related and I asked you WHY, and what led you to believe that. A simple question. blink.gif

I think you will find that Sellafield was called Windscale during most of Birds time there. The Nuclear Fuels people re-named it for PR purposes in the 80s after a few dodgy incidents. Bird was born in 1958. He left school in the semester of 74 and the following year he gained a place at a local technical college to learn a trade as a carpenter / joiner. He got a job at Sellafield and was there 14 years before he got caught stealing from the stores. He actually resigned whilst suspended, (as opposed to being sacked) but one would guess, in oder to avoid having 'Sacked' on his employment record.

QUOTE
As for Bird working from 1976 to 1990 at Sellafield when he, according to you, was fired, it is clearly untrue. The 1990 bit is a misuse of what all his co-workers at Sellafield said about getting to know him, and the fact that they all stated 1990 showed that that was when he came there, as it would be most unlikely for all the people who said they knew him since then arrived at the same time.

Now you are floudering and talking in gobbldegook and riddles. Bird worked there from his late teens to his early thirties. Twenty (plus) years ago. He then worked as a taxi driver for over 20 years. He received a suspended jail term in late 1990 for the stuff he lifted from Sellafield's stores (boots, wood and power tools) Do a UK CRB check. Its there in black and white.

As for his military service, I am an ex RM officer. M company. 4.2 Commando. Home base Lympstone Devon .UK. Bird was never RM, as you say he was. Furthermore, RM secondment to all matters Irish was very limited. Bird would have had to have been very special to have 'hopped the fence' . Moreover, your premise for Birds military name is that he was some dumb-fuck let off fatigues to assist with a man hunt, and who cornered Francis Bradley. Do me a favour and lay off the weed. Special Opps don't get put in the glasshouse for being mouthy to an officer. They are left alone and only answer to their own CO (who is not going to give them 'jankers) Moreover, they don't get sent out to assist dog handlers. You haven't got a clue. If Bird was what you say he was, he would have been laid in a tree line, wearing a daiper, and chomping on a big bag of speed' ..waiting for the beaters to flush out the game.

You constantly remind us you worked in Navy Intel. So you should know that Marines are Navy Soliders. They are not rank and file. So tell me when you ever heard of a special opp getting put in the glasshouse? It does not happen.

Derrick Bird was never in the armed forces and definitely NEVER in the RM.

Posted by: Guest 3.Mar.2011, 08:16 PM

Just the weaving-and-bobbing stuff that I have come to expect from The Nine.

He earlier said that there were all kinds of articles about Linda Mills and Derrick Bird living around Whitehaven during the 1980's, and I asked him to provide one link.

The result of my request is nothing, as there is nothing about it.

Then there is the official bollocks cover up of his carnage - what The Nine is constantly alerted to keep under wraps - that Bird was so upset about his back taxes that he increasingly thought of committing suicide.

Of course, the trouble with the official line is that there is no truth to it. Bird had no problems with the Inland Revenue, and armed himself to commit mass murder for some still unexplained reason.

The answer seems to be his having to answer before an inquest in Northern Ireland, headed by Chief Coroner John Lecky, about the assassination exercise to kill Francis Bradley in preparation against statsminister Olof Palme's one ten days later.

The Nine is so interested in spreading disinformation that he overlooked the one thing that can be objected to - my claiming that Bird was sacked a few years after he stole wood and other stuff from Sellafield.

Actually, it did occur in 1990, meaning that he only worked there from about 1988 when he was forced to resign from the 14 Intelligence Company - what The Nine would have you believe that he knows all about because he served, it seems, for awhile in the Royal Marines. He apparently is the head of British intelligence.

The guy is committed to confusing everyone about everything, whether he is paid for it or just does it because he is completely screwed up.

Posted by: drubb 3.Mar.2011, 08:50 PM

QUOTE
Sounds like he was a direct descendant of Thomas Bird and his relatives who were trying to regain the "Bird's Nest" from Lord Chancellor Henry Brougham whose forebearer John Brougham had bought it in 1727 for £5,000. About Thomas Bird's occupation of the property, now known as Brougham Hall, Sir Thomas Wilde said in prosecuting the action: "The defendant Thomas Bird had of late been begging and borrowing all over the country, affecting to have some claim or other to the property in question." (Brougham-Hall Estates - John Robinson v. Bird and Others, The Times, August 14, 1843, p.7)

When this seizure failed, the Bird clan still persisted in trying to regain the property, searching all kinds of records anywhere to establish a legal claim to it. "Sensible people, the ex-Chancellor added, dismissed the effort as a waste of time and money." (Trowbridge H. Ford, Chancelllor Brougham and his World: A Biography, Barry Rose Law Publishers, 2001, p. 526)

And this practice just continued, it seems, leaving a family with too many members in a world with too few rewarding opportunities.

Little wonder that Derrick ultimately snapped, with the IR on his trail for taxes owed, the family continuing to grow despite its shrinking resources, and he himself increasingly "up the creek, without a paddle".

Case closed.

Posted by: Guest 3.Mar.2011, 09:07 PM

Thanks, drubb.

Case closed, and good night.

Posted by: skorpan 3.Mar.2011, 09:12 PM

The question is, not who killed the Olof Palme, but why! The who, is not important, the why is.

Posted by: Jamtjim 3.Mar.2011, 09:51 PM

Dear readers,

It is with great pleasure that I submit my Deconstruction of Trowish Credibility for peer review. Whist every effort has been made to avoid any errors, it should be remembered that this proof, whilst believed to be accurate, may still contain minor inconsistencies the event of which should be reported to the author. You help in this matter is greatly appreciated.

Please note that many definitions used in Trowology (the study of Trowth) many not be familiar to the casual reader. As such the author would refer the reader to the Trowbridgeaurus which can be found in various places on the forum while all original definitions have their explanations in the text.

In addition, I would like to announce that once this paper has been accepted by the Council for Trowological Studies, I will complete my future publications, which include a definitive history of Trowology tentatively titled “Bollocks”, a biography of the founder of Trowology called “Trowbridge Harris Ford: A paranoid life wasted” and my own personal memoirs regarding my work on this deconstruction, “Trowbridge H. Ford: My part in his downfall”

Many thanks,

Jamt H. Jim
March 2011



Deconstruction of Trowish Credibility
by Jamt H. Jim

Abstract

The basis for this paper is, as the title suggests, is to deconstruct and as a result remove the credibility of Trowish conspiracy theories by means of a detailed logical analysis of a particular Trowathon which makes up part of one of the large Trowathlons which litter The Locals Discussion Forum. Once this first Trowth has been disproved, the argument is used to cast considerable doubt as to the veracity of Trowology in general and thus destroy any remaining credibility it may claim.

Background

Since it's inception in June 2009, Trowology is made up of 3241 separate THF Trowposts (at the time of writing) making it one of the forums fastest growing areas at the rate of about 5 a day and covering a bewildering array of sub-genres the only common link between them being THF's assurance that he alone has the answers.

Trowology has always been a frustrating subject the tenets of which change on almost a daily basis. Unsupported and fantastical claims are made by way of extended Trowathons which make up even larger and often self-contradictory Trowathlons. Whilst most of these Trowposts merely contain Trowths, some rather rare Trowposts suprisingly contain actual truths thus rendering the overall credibility of Trowology rather hard to assertain.

The need for a definitive logical deconstruction of Trowology has been obvious for some time but has remained somewhat elusive due to the ever changing nature of Trowology. The following exercise deconstructs Trowology in two parts. The first part uses a proof by induction to disprove one of the central and largely unchanging tenets of Trowology, the second extrapolates the result gained from the first to demonstrate the in equality of Trowth and Truth. By doing so, it is demonstrated that Trowology in it's general form is shown to be unreliable and thus not credible.

Deconstruction Part 1: Disproof of a single Trowth

One of the central tenets of Trowology is the claim that Trowbridge H. Ford is constantly at risk of assassination attempts by powerful organisations and people.

In order to disprove this assertion, we are forced to consider three alternatives:

1. That Trowbridge is incorrect and is aware of this fact.
2. That Trowbridge is incorrect and unaware of the fact.
3. That Trowbridge is correct and aware of the fact.

(There remains an additional trivial alternative ie. That Trowbridge is correct and unaware of the fact, but this is discounted by nature of the fact the Trowbridge himself makes the claim.)

By considering these alternatives in turn we can come to a set of possible conclusions.

1. Trowbridge is incorrect and is aware of this fact. This implies that Trowbridge is actually lying and as such the original Trowth is disproved.

2. Trowbridge is incorrect and unaware of the fact. This is quite possibly the most likely alternative, but as the alternative states that the Trowth is incorrect, the Trowth is disproved.

3. That Trowbridge is correct and aware of the fact. In this case, there really would be a powerful organisation operation with the intent of the assassination of THF. However this alternative is disproved by nature of the paradox that Trowbridge remains alive despite the efforts of such a powerful organisation which be easily capable of performing such a routine assassination especially given that THF makes no effort to conceal his location.

The unavoidable conclusion therefore is that the original Trowth is disproved.

Deconstruction Part 2: Extrapolation from single Trowth to Trowology in General

Trowology claims credibility by nature of the assumed veracity of all its Trowths. Thus if even a single Trowth can be shown to be untrue, the whole credibility of Trowology is removed.

In Part 1 it was demonstrated how the Assassination Trowth was demonstrated to be false, the implication of this fact is such that Trowology in its entirety is discredited and therefore deconstructed.

Proof complete.

Conclusion

By utilisation of the above logical sequence, it is relatively easy to confirm the original aim of this exercise; the unavoidable truth that Trowology lacks credibility.


Thank you, JJ

Posted by: Vetinari 3.Mar.2011, 10:10 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 3.Mar.2011, 08:16 PM) *
Of course, the trouble with the official line is that there is no truth to it. Bird had no problems with the Inland Revenue, and armed himself to commit mass murder for some still unexplained reason.

Then we have this

Author: Trowbridge
Thread: Really Interested In Cause of Cumbria Carnage
Posted date: 4.Jun.2010, 07:03 AM
"Little wonder that Derrick ultimately snapped, with the IR on his trail for taxes owed, the family continuing to grow despite its shrinking resources, and he himself increasingly "up the creek, without a paddle"."

But I guess Bird had no problem with the IR...

And then this: "Still no quotations about my claims regarding Derrick Bird essentially being concerned about the family's hold on Brougham Hall and how it was divided among Joe Bird's family, and hardly surprising since it is just bollocks. Read the 3rd and 4th paragraphs of my article that I posted on the previous page."

So how about these then (bolding by me):

Author: Trowbridge
Thread: The Low-Down on the Olof Palme Assassination (post #100)
"I did wonder if the failure of the Thomas Birds to gain title to Brougham Hall by illegally occuping it during the 1840s had something to do with the origin of Derrick Bird's disgruntlement, and it did, as his family was obliged to live in very marginal circumstances, forcing Derrick Bird to seek employment in the BA as soon as he could."

care to clarify?

Posted by: duogrn 3.Mar.2011, 10:23 PM

i.e. self-induced counterexamples = negation

Q.E.D.
( no pun intended tongue.gif )

Posted by: Guest 4.Mar.2011, 08:13 AM

In a strategic sense, skorplan, is doesn't matter who killed Palme, as it was intended to make him pay for illegal acts that Ronald Reagan had engaged in by attempting to supply the Iranians with 80 HAWk missiles on November 17, 1985, without issuing a presidential finding, and informing Congress of it. Palme at the time was trying to enforce America's policy behind Operation Staunch.

To get back at Palme, North, John Lehman, David Walker, etc. decided to assassinate him, making it look like the Soviets had done it, and taking them out by surprise.

It failed, though, because the intended patsy assassin, Stig Bergling, did not take the bait and flee to the USSR which was not surprised by the killing at all, thanks to all the spying by agents like Ames, Hannsen, Pelton, John Walker et al., and having all the necessary countermeasures in place to prevent things spinning out of control.

On a criminal justice basis, though, the assassin still committed a most dangerous killing which could have resulted in all of us being killed if it had not been for the sacrifices of those mentioned above and others, so Palme's killer should at least be identified - what is still suspected as having been the handywork of some local looney.

And shame, duogrn, for seriously putting down all the handywork by JJ and Vetinari. They worked half the night with all their stuff.

Posted by: duogrn 4.Mar.2011, 05:41 PM

Facts bespeak for themselves; A logical summary is worth repeating

QUOTE
And shame, duogrn, for seriously putting down all the handywork by JJ and Vetinari. They worked half the night with all their stuff.

Take this comment from you "In a strategic sense" ( of your own words)
1. a confirmation on both Quod Erat Demonstrandum and Quite Easily Done of the logical expositions presented;
2. it must be all the politics stuff that trained you to attack the opposing alliance from within when running out of wits/arguments of your own.
Good for you Trow ! tongue.gif

Posted by: Jamtjim 4.Mar.2011, 05:46 PM

QUOTE
And shame, duogrn, for seriously putting down all the handywork by JJ and Vetinari. They worked half the night with all their stuff.


So still no logical flaws found in my disproof then Trow? Guess it has thus gained total and indeed universal acceptance...

Posted by: Vetinari 4.Mar.2011, 06:19 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 4.Mar.2011, 08:13 AM) *
And shame, duogrn, for seriously putting down all the handywork by JJ and Vetinari. They worked half the night with all their stuff.


And you have worked for months and can still not prove any of your theories or disprove anything we say.

But hey, how is the proof of a recent lie of mine coming along? Got anything?

Or do you need duogrn to help you with that as well?

Posted by: Guest 4.Mar.2011, 08:19 PM

Just a few words before you go completely off the screen.

I was immediately atrracted to the news about Derrick Bird going on his carnage in Cumbria because he had the same name and location as another Bird I had run across in researching the second volume of my biography of Henry Lord Chancellor Brougham - what The Nine most suspiciously, immediately attacked as having no relevance to his rampage, claiming that there were some 25,000 persons with the name Bird in Britain, and Derrick was not connected to the ones trying to regain control of Brougham Hall by various means, especially illegal occupancy.

After some more research, I discovered that Derrick was the great grandson of the person I had written about, Thomas Bird.

In the meantime, I learned of the new inquest that Attorney General John Larkin had ordered into the most suspicous assassination of Francis Bradley - a trial assassination of the one which occurred ten days later of Olof Palme which soon got me thinking that Bird was Soldier 'C' in the Bradley killing, and might well have been part of the KMS squad which killed the statsminister when none of his bodyguards were looking while officially reassessing the performance of Palme's bodyguards.

I also became completely unconvinced that Bird was just your average citizen who went over the top about problems regarding the Inland Revenue, threatening to kill himself, when it turned out to be a complete load of bollocks where Bird's increasing anger was because all kinds of people had continued to belittle him because of some unknown aspect of his life.

I ultimately determined that he was Soldier 'C' in the Bradley killing, and he settled scores with all his enemies in Cumbria when his going to jail became an increasing possibility.

It's called research, and it generally leads to one's altering of ideas as it develops - something that you have apparently never engaged in.

Posted by: duogrn 4.Mar.2011, 10:00 PM

QUOTE
It's called research, and it generally leads to one's altering of ideas as it develops - something that you have apparently never engaged in.

Apparently,
Trowearch: Trow's own whim w/o verification, i.e. hearsay at best ;
v.s.
Research: attempt to find out in a systematically and scientific manner.

(Ouch, is this the root to all the drama of Trow's shortened academic life ... )

Posted by: Vetinari 4.Mar.2011, 11:27 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 4.Mar.2011, 08:19 PM) *
It's called research, and it generally leads to one's altering of ideas as it develops - something that you have apparently never engaged in.

Is that why your ideas never change no matter how much we disprove them?

Research, as someone like you should know, should provide the facts which you then fit your theory after. Not like the research you do (Trowsearch) which just finds facts that fit your stated theory and ignores everything else.

Posted by: Jimmy 5.Mar.2011, 12:08 AM

Dipstick who doesn't pay his bets,

You say you believe, you think, etc, etc. But all everyone is asking is to provide proof or evidence to support this. So for once can you provide some outside evidence and not another piece of your writings on another site. Because...

I went to the spot of Palmes death on the anniversary and guess who I saw????

YOU and some mysterious guy talking quietly in the darkness, it was very suspicious. Especially after all you have written. If what I say is not true , then provide some proof that it was not you, because if you can't then it had to be you.

Posted by: Guest 5.Mar.2011, 08:00 AM

Just more pathetic nonsense by the core of TL's dipsticks.

They have never disproved anything that I have claimed about the assassinations of Francis Bradley and Olof Palme, that one of their assassins, Captain Simon Hayward aka Captain James Rennie, was set up here in Stockholm by the IRA's Steak Knife for having done so, the other assassin, Derrick Bird aka Soldier 'C' in the Bradley killing, went on the rampage when he learned of the new inquest into it which would most likely send him to jail for several years, the inquest is forgotten about after Bird and his twelve victims are killed, the leaks of Afghan logs by Gareth Williams and Gudrun Loftus to Julian Assange's Wikileaks, etc.

I shall be posting a long first article of two about it all in the next day or so.

The only things that they have claimed are lies, like the one The Nine and Vetinari made about my creating a story for the Daily Express which suited my purposes in the Williams assassination, or that The Nine himself threw dog turds at General Pinochet when he was at Virginia Water in fear of being extradited to Spain for this crimes, The Nine claiming that Dr. David Kelly was found on Harrowdown Hill when he was actually found along side The Thames, near where his assassins were moured to make sure he was dead, there was nothing suspicious when Gudrun Loftus was at the common room of Saint John's College at the crack of dawn in October to meet someone, and mysteriously fell backwards down the stairs without any real TVP investigation, etc.

And Jimmy is still the slowest on the learning curve, still going on about a bet which was never agreed to, and my being mysteriously at the site of the Palme assassination exactly 25 years after it happened when I have already told J.J. that I was home, and my girl friend can confirm.

Just only adds to my suspicions and searches into it when I get nothing but bollocks from these boobs.

Posted by: Jimmy 5.Mar.2011, 10:49 AM

Dopstock,

I saw you and YOU know it. There are pictures and video of you. Also I recorded all my observations and have transcribed them and posted these at
whataloadofbollocks,org,net.com

I have had no one dispute this so there is agreement that it is you.

And in regards to the bet You tried to claim that you won the bet when an earthquake happened in Iraq but in a different area. So by you claiming it means that there was a bet SO PAY UP

Posted by: Jamtjim 5.Mar.2011, 11:07 AM

QUOTE
They have never disproved anything that I have claimed about the assassinations of Francis Bradley and Olof Palme, that one of their assassins, Captain Simon Hayward aka Captain James Rennie, was set up here in Stockholm by the IRA's Steak Knife for having done so, the other assassin, Derrick Bird aka Soldier 'C' in the Bradley killing, went on the rampage when he learned of the new inquest into it which would most likely send him to jail for several years, the inquest is forgotten about after Bird and his twelve victims are killed, the leaks of Afghan logs by Gareth Williams and Gudrun Loftus to Julian Assange's Wikileaks, etc.

You are right that we have not disproved any of these as such, but then it is not us making these claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and the onus must be on you to provide this. As yet you have completely failed to do so.

Secondly, I personally have logically disproved your claim to be under threat of assassination. I have also logically should why you have no reason to believe that you are being blacklisted by a certain IP due to the conspiratorial nature of your Trowmails. Either of these on their own would normally be enough to discredit you and your claims, but together they totally remove any credibility you may have hoped to cling on to.

In other words Trow, no doubt you will continue to fill the forum with your fantastical Trowathons and fill countless gigabytes of digital data storage with your fundamentally flawed Trowerch, but you should remember that you have been busted, been shown to be a fraud and a deceiver and be absolutely certain dear Trow, people a laughing at you and your nonsense. You are truely The Local's resident nutter!

Posted by: Guest 5.Mar.2011, 11:08 AM

Just your usual drivel.

Regarding the alleged bet, I said that I would be home on New Year's Day, and I was - where and when you threatened to come by to pick it up - but you never appeared, as you knew there was no bet. And you have never supplied any address as to where to send the alleged winnings

In sum, just your expected bollocks.

And now I going to post the finished article on another thread, as I think that it is important enough to have its own thread, and look forward to you and your crowd to make those meticulous corrections as I have not even read it over.

Posted by: Guest 5.Mar.2011, 11:40 AM

Oh, and J. J., logic cannot refute any experience, whether it be what I write about covert operations regarding others or concerning me.

They can only be refuted by others with evidence.

And if I find evidence which disproves my claims, I change them. smile.gif

Posted by: Jamtjim 5.Mar.2011, 01:24 PM

QUOTE
Just your usual drivel.

So unable to find any flaws in the logic, you instead try to defend your "religion" with claims of drivel. You lose Trow.

QUOTE
Regarding the alleged bet, I said that I would be home on New Year's Day, and I was - where and when you threatened to come by to pick it up - but you never appeared, as you knew there was no bet. And you have never supplied any address as to where to send the alleged winnings

I don't really care about any bet you may or may not have made, but it appears to me that you lost your bet with Jimmy and are now trying desperately to renegue on it.

QUOTE
In sum, just your expected bollocks.

So unable to find any flaws in the logic, you instead try to defend your "religion" with claims of bollocks. You lose Trow.

QUOTE
And now I going to post the finished article on another thread, as I think that it is important enough to have its own thread, and look forward to you and your crowd to make those meticulous corrections as I have not even read it over.

Oh great another fictional Trowathon! Trust me Trow, if it is anything like the vast majority of your Trowposts, then the only thing it deserves is the waste paper basket. indeed, just like the author, it is no more than a basket case.

QUOTE
Oh, and J. J., logic cannot refute any experience, whether it be what I write about covert operations regarding others or concerning me.

This is where you and your theories become null and void. Logic shows your theories to be false; the only thing which runs contrary to logic is illogic.. Experience is by it's very nature a subjective thing and can never compete with objectivity which logic provides. Once again, you lose Trow.

QUOTE
They can only be refuted by others with evidence.

Wrong, if something can be shown to be illogical or paradoxical by it's nature then by definition it is shown to be false. I would have thought someone claiming to have been a University Professor would have known this!

QUOTE
And if I find evidence which disproves my claims, I change them.

Then just look at my afore mentioned disproofs. End of.

Posted by: mikewhite 5.Mar.2011, 02:37 PM

"Absence of proof is not proof of absence"

Posted by: Jamtjim 5.Mar.2011, 03:45 PM

Agreed, but absence of proof coupled with presence of disproof of other, similar claims implies lack of credibility of the one making such claims!

Posted by: Guest 5.Mar.2011, 05:42 PM

Just more of J.J.'s historiographic mumbo-gumbo.

He thinks that the logic of historical ideas, like what Fischer's discusses in his Historians' Fallacies, is the be-all-end-all of historical inquiries - i.e., if an historian avoids of the pitfalls of relying upon authorities, demolishing strawmen, avoiding a rearview mirror approach to the past, and the like, one will get serious history.

It's essentially nonsense, as all you will get by dismantling all these false assumptions, contexts, erroneous claims, improper analogies, etc., is a whole lot of vapid negativity.

More important that one be most well-versed in all the evidence when making historical judgments which carry conviction.

And remember, J. J. has admitted that none of my claims have been disproven.

Posted by: Jimmy 5.Mar.2011, 05:55 PM

AND NONE OF YOUR CLAIMS HAVE BEEN PROVEN

dopstock

Posted by: duogrn 5.Mar.2011, 06:41 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 5.Mar.2011, 04:42 PM) *
And remember, J. J.

The mere fact that Trow is writing on the forum is THE evidence that Trow's alive in the presence of both ratsit.se and CIA.
Q: Does Trow's self-claimed consistent assassination from CIA hold?
A: NO.

Q.E.D.

Posted by: Guest 5.Mar.2011, 09:00 PM

Duogrn is basing his argument upon the fallacy that the CIA and its associated rats always achieve what they seek, hardly a position for any rational person. smile.gif

He must have gone to deficient schools with .J.J. laugh.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 5.Mar.2011, 09:18 PM

Dopstock,
I posted all the evidence on the site mentioned above. Obviously you don't have the courage to look at it as it will prove that I am right and you are wrong

Posted by: duogrn 5.Mar.2011, 09:23 PM

http://www.ratsit.se/BC/ReportSmall.aspx?ID=EkHmcSd7A1BzTU09mQRmheiJZv8Zir4T6ZLv-plEXAM
Namn Ålder Födelsedag Adress Postort
Trowbridge Harris Ford 81 år 1929-11-09 Sporrvägen 9 Lidingö

Mantalsskrivning
Gatuadress: Sporrvägen 9
Postnummer: 18141
Postort: Lidingö
Kommun: Lidingö

Darn, shouldn't have paid that much tax, angry.gif , after all CIA is so incapable tongue.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 6.Mar.2011, 12:07 AM

So dopstock if I come around you will pay the bet????????????????

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 12:10 AM

Post nr 123

QUOTE
Secondly, I personally have logically disproved your claim to be under threat of assassination. I have also logically should why you have no reason to believe that you are being blacklisted by a certain IP due to the conspiratorial nature of your Trowmails. Either of these on their own would normally be enough to discredit you and your claims, but together they totally remove any credibility you may have hoped to cling on to.

Post nr 129

QUOTE
And remember, J. J. has admitted that none of my claims have been disproven.

Well assuming that Trowie has actually read my posts, then he is actually lying as in he has misrepresented my stance on the subject.

Assuming he has not read my post, then he is lying as he has alleged something a statement I haven't made.

Either way he is lying.

Conclusion:

Trowbridge H. Ford is a lier. (Sue me if you want!)

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 07:49 AM

Just for the record about J. J. admitting that he and the other dipsticks had not disproved any of my claims, see his complete post #123 on this thread - what he now denies by his misuse of logic in historical inquiry, and has engaged in misrepresentation by only quoting the part which helps hide it. I won't waste my time, attempting to quote it here.

And I am certainly not going to sue him for any false claims, as the guy doesn't know his ass from his elbow, starting with the word appropriate for such a person - i. e., a liar.

Time to go back to school, J.J., and get a basic education, especially about what is required in doing original, ground-breaking research.

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 08:41 AM

Trow, I have given you the benefit of the doubt until my last post. I have tried to believe that you are misguided as opposed to dishonest. However with your post number 129, you have shown your true colours.

In that post you have claimed that I have admitted that none of your claims have been disproven. Whereas in post 123 I claimed the exact opposite. As such your claim in post 129 is untrue and you are aware of this fact. Therefore as I said, you are a liar.

The great thing about your dishonest blunder is that my original claim, whilst remaining logically correct in it's conclusion, is no longer required to deconstruct any credibility you may have had as you have lied about my claim and not it's veracity. In other words, as you have clearly lied regarding my claim, my claim no longer needs to be true in order to prove that you are a liar.

In conclusion, it is apparent to everyone, that you are dishonest. Your claims, whilst not necessarily always incorrect are tainted by the fact that you are dishonest and as a result totally lack any credibility. So you can write whatever you want, no one with any sense of judgement will believe you as you are a proven liar.

Thank you Trow, I really didn't think that exposing you as a total and unadulterated fraud would have been quite that easy!

Posted by: Jimmy 6.Mar.2011, 09:51 AM

Dopstock

explain what is " especially about what is required in doing original, ground-breaking research. " in your definition. Is it I made So I have done "original and ground breaking research"???

And shall I come around or shall we meet somewhere else to collect the 1000kr?

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 10:00 AM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 5.Mar.2011, 11:07 AM) *
You are right that we have not disproved any of these as such, but then it is not us making these claims. Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof and the onus must be on you to provide this. As yet you have completely failed to do so.

Secondly, I personally have logically disproved your claim to be under threat of assassination. I have also logically should why you have no reason to believe that you are being blacklisted by a certain IP due to the conspiratorial nature of your Trowmails. Either of these on their own would normally be enough to discredit you and your claims, but together they totally remove any credibility you may have hoped to cling on to.

In other words Trow, no doubt you will continue to fill the forum with your fantastical Trowathons and fill countless gigabytes of digital data storage with your fundamentally flawed Trowerch, but you should remember that you have been busted, been shown to be a fraud and a deceiver and be absolutely certain dear Trow, people a laughing at you and your nonsense. You are truely The Local's resident nutter!

Here is your post in its entirely, J. J., showing that you lied when you later claimed that you had not admitted that you and others had not disproved any of my claims.

And threats or being blaklisted by Com Cast cannot be disproved by any use of logic. It can just help get rid of distorting fallacies which help hide the truth. The attempts to kill me were established when I fell unconscious, and was taken to Danderyd to regain consciousness, be sown up for a large gash in the back of my head, and given a cat scam which discovered nothing wrong with me. As before, and afterwards, though, the attacks still continued until the summer of 1999 when they finally stopped. And my sister complained to Com Cast for about a week until it finally allowed my e-mails to her to arrive.

No logic needed here, just the facts, so I have yet to be busted by you and others. smile.gif

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 10:37 AM

Trowbridge H. Fraud,

Obvious in addition to you inability to recognise logic, you seem in addition to be unable to read.

Here is my quote, which you quoted back to me in you above post.

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Secondly, I personally have logically disproved your claim to be under threat of assassination.

So there it is in undeniable black and white. I made a claim, the veracity of which is now irrelevant as you have destroyed your own credibility by lying about it.

You are a liar Trow pure and simple and you should pay up your bet with Jimmy to avoid becoming a cheat as well.

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 11:03 AM

You are simply unable to distinguish between facts and logic - what should be joined together in any serious historical inquiry, like who assassinated Olof Palme and why, the topic of this thread, rather than just use logic to eliminate false claims.

In my doing so, I have examined closely all kinds of claims, most recently those of Jan Bondeson in Blood on the Snow in which he logically and rightly dismisses all kinds of false explanations, only to end up with a conujecture of his own, blaming Bofors, Rajiv Gandi, various arms dealers, A. E. Services, some burly lookout fellow, about forty years old, inconspicuously dressed in a blue parka and beige cap checking on the bodyguard concern, and then the killer, "a tall, well-built man wearing a dark overcoat, dark trousers and a close-fitting dark blue cap" (p. 207) doing the killing

This whole deconstruction process is still just a bunch of bollocks since he never really talked about Iran-Contra, the attempts to ship Israeli arms illegally through Sweden, MI6 recruiting Captain Simon Hayward to do the job for former SAS Major David Walker's KMS security firm - after Ivan Romanov aka Jovan von Birchan and others were unable to do the job - while reassessing the performance of Palme's bodyguards, etc.

Bondeson's explanation is no better ultimately than Hans Holmer's original, wild ones.

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 11:23 AM

All that is irrelevant now as you have been shown to be dishonest. Therefore anything you write or otherwise claim must be treated as suspect.

Checkmate, you lose.

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 11:29 AM

Just continued lies and insults instead of admitting that you have nothing - like the poker player with a busted flush.

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 11:46 AM

Lies, deception, underwater laser, assassination attempts, black lists...

Trowbridge H Fraud, your theories took a hell of a beating...

Posted by: Jimmy 6.Mar.2011, 11:52 AM

Dopstock,
you still haven't proved you were at Palme's death spot on the anniversary. I posted all the proof

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 12:02 PM

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Just continued lies and insults instead of admitting that you have nothing

I guess we can add hypocrite to the liar and cheat descriptions of THF!

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 01:20 PM

One of the things I found most interesting in my research was my dealings wtih Ivan Romanov aka Jovan von Birchan - the person who tried to kill me twice - first when we were allegedly celebrating finding a publisher of all my internet articles with a drink which I would not down, and bolstered with some kind of poison like pollonium since he had brought it to his safe house in a kind of girdle around his wait, filled with some kind of oil; and then setting me up after meeting Joakim Palme at a lecture in the Social Democrat Hall near his father's murder where I was left alone for dinner afterwards where three followers could poison me when I went to the toilet or back to the Chinese buffet.

Would you believe that when I was getting to know Romanov earlier, he gave me a copy of Jan Bonedson's book, Blood on the Snow: The Killing of Olof Palme, when he had one of his spooky luncheons with me?

I didn't take the book seriously until I had broken contact with him because of the above, and it was only after reading the book most carefully that I discovered just how spooky Romanov is.

In the book, Bondeson just ripped him apart at the beginning of his chapter, "Red Herrings". He is portrayed as a most unrelieable person, claiming that he honestly warned officials of CIA recruiter Charles Morgan trying to recruit him as Palme's killer, and then claiming that he had met suspect Viktor Gunnarsson on many occasions but people had not believed him. "Other people described the Yugoslva as a swindler and habitual liar, however, and the elusive Charles Morgan was never tracked down." (p. 76)

This is an excellent example of the dispute I am having with J.J. Charles Morgan tried to recruit Romanov twice, as the SSI report by agent Haukka: "Samtal med Jovan von Birchan, 4 april 1986" established. And there is a CIA agent named Morgan, aka Felipe Vidal, who was quite active during Iran-Contra as Peter Dale Scott and Jonathan Marshall have recounted in considerable detail in Cocaine Politics; Drugs, Armies, and the CIA in Central America. So the problem is not that Morgan didn't exist, but that investigators never went looking for him.

Explains much of the beginning of the cover up of Palme's assassination.

And I can only see Romonov giving me a copy of a book which so wrongly trashed him as a effort to keep it going, as Bondeson's book sucks.

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 02:20 PM

Liar, fraud, cheat!

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 04:27 PM

Well, if you say so, J. J., but I think that you are being a bit harsh on Bondeson, and his book.

It is certainly overpriced. The last I heard it cost around $30, and I would never pay anything like that for a copy. Fortunately, as I have explained, Ivan Romanov gave me my copy.

It is certainly a fraud, only demolishing all the erroneous explanations of what happened, as he never dealt with my explanation though it had already appeared on the internet. The only vague reference to my work is this: "Nor can an unbiased mind find a motive for the CIA to kill Palme," (p. 171) though DCI William Casey was up to his neck with his buddy Ollie North and Agency colleagues in doing so, as I indicated in my article posted yesterday.

As for lying, Bondeson made many crucial omissions and misrepresentations which badly mar his story, though I would not go so far as claiming he lied.

For example, he said a lot about taxidriver Anders Delsborn's eyewitness account of the killing, claiming that Palme talked to his killer - what is quite true, and indicated that the statsminister was relieved to see this official stalker who had been on this trail for the last few days - only to belatedly discover that the bodyguard assessor, apparently Captain Simon Hayward, was really his assassin.

What Bondeson left out from Delborn's testimony is that the killer raised the weapon high in his right hand, with its long barrel still having smoke coming out of it. This completely destroyed any case against Christer Pettersson as he was left-handed, while Hayward is right-handed but has trouble controlling a weapon only with it, explaining that he had to hold it up, and put its safety on with his left hand before he could safely put it back in his pocket though it advertised his being the gunman.

And Bondeson's own detective work, at best, is only mentioned to say what should have been investigated, and probably discarded much earlier on - like what all official sceptics engage in whether they are demolishing theories about the JFK assassination or why 9/11 occurred.

It's just another fatally flawed book about an assassination which can still be solved despite his self-serving claims to the contrary.

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 04:39 PM

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Well, if you say so, J. J., but I think that you are being a bit harsh on Bondeson, and his book.

At last something vaguely amusing from Trowbridge H. Fraud.

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 04:47 PM

Will you ever say something vaguely relevant to this thread about the unsolved Palme assassination rather than just smothering all discussion with your endless, forbidden personal attacks on me! blink.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 6.Mar.2011, 04:53 PM

In your so called book or paper you quote yourself as

The only vague reference to my work is this: "Nor can an unbiased mind find a motive for the CIA to kill Palme," (p. 171)

really like " an unbiased mind" part. Where do you fit into that??????

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 06:16 PM

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Will you ever say something vaguely relevant to this thread about the unsolved Palme assassination rather than just smothering all discussion with your endless, forbidden personal attacks on me!

Forbidden? Who forbids it? Are you suggesting that it should be forbidden to expose your lies and attempts of deception? I guess that would suit you better as you obviously just prefer credulous unthinking acceptance. No one to question your lies Trowbridge H. Fraud? Bad luck, you will just have to live with constantly being exposed as a liar, cheat and hypocrite!

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 08:54 PM

Poor, pathetic dipsticks, Jimmy and J.J.

Where I fit into Bondeson's crappy book, Jimmy, is his claiming that only a biased mind would claim that the CIA and its Rambos, starting with Ollie North, were allegedly behind the conspiracy which assassinated Olof Palme when they are the heart of the operation.

And J. J., I suggest you really expose any lies, frauds, or cheats I have engaged in.

If there are none - what seems to be the case - you should be censored for your libels, and if there is more to your dirty work, you should simply be banned.

But this site is a bonanza for shits like you, so I expect nothing to happen, and you are permitted to engage further in your character assassination.

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 09:12 PM

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And J. J., I suggest you really expose any lies, frauds, or cheats I have engaged in.

I already have Trollbridge H(ypocrite) Fraud earlier in this thread, it's just you are too dim to realise it!

Posted by: Jimmy 6.Mar.2011, 09:28 PM

So what you are saying is "if anyone who doesnot agree with your theories are biased, uninformed, dumb and ignorant dipsticks."

Well, never seen any proof to your theories except your own words. That ain't proof. I got proof that I posted on your whereabouts on Palme's anniversary

Posted by: Jamtjim 6.Mar.2011, 09:35 PM

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Well, never seen any proof to your theories except your own words

And many of us have disproved many of them...THF has been thoroughly busted!

Hope you get your money by the way, but I wouldn't hold out any hope. He's a welcher if ever there was one ...

Posted by: benraph 6.Mar.2011, 09:42 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 6.Mar.2011, 08:54 PM) *
Poor, pathetic dipsticks, Jimmy and J.J.
If there are none - what seems to be the case - you should be censored for your libels, and if there is more to your dirty work, you should simply be banned.

But this site is a bonanza for shits like you, so I expect nothing to happen, and you are permitted to engage further in your character assassination.

I have kept quiet about you for over a year, because you got me so angry with your bullshit that i decided you were not worth commenting on. But now you have gone too far. You are the biggest libelous, idiot that 99% of the people on this site would agree. You make up complete bullshit, you even had the cheek to accuse your own sambo of being a spy working for the inteligence services. How low can you get? Does she know that you have accused her? I would like to thank the nine, Jimmy, Jamtjim, and everyone else who has exposed you as a fraud, cheat, and Liar. If anyone should be banned for Character assasination and libels, it should be you. If we had a vote on this site, i think we know who the majority would vote for, and if your sambo knew what you accused her of, i think she would leave you. You are so caught up with your own self importance it is sick to watch you.

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 09:58 PM

Another slow learner on this dipstick site. You should have opened your pathetic mouth long ago, as the process is much more than your simple mind can comprehend, much less deal with.

I am not running for any office or opinion poll among the pathetic posters here when it comes to world affairs, and how it impacts me.

I still have my bags packed to be leaving, and if my sambo has anything to say, let her say it, as I shall soon be gone, and I shall not miss any of you.

Posted by: Jimmy 6.Mar.2011, 10:08 PM

Now how many are we up to now????? ( threats of leaving that is )

and it you that is slow. All anyone has asked for is for you to provide outside sources to support your claims. If you can't, fine, then just state that it is YOUR belief and NOT FACT.

and I typed this slowly for you so you could read it and understand better. Which is probably the reason why you havenot understood before as others have been typing too fast for you

Posted by: Guest 6.Mar.2011, 10:20 PM

Just more from poor, pathetic Jimmy.

Facts are facts, and stand by themselves. If they are not facts, no dipsticks like you can make them so.

And in the history of science, we all know the problems that Galileo, Copernicus et al. had in getting the most basic ones established, though I make no claims of being in their league, just a persistent guy who is trying to establish what bits he knows.

And the speed with which you type, makes no difference to me as it is just the same old bullshit.

Posted by: Jimmy 7.Mar.2011, 05:16 AM

Facts have proof

Posted by: The Nine 7.Mar.2011, 04:42 PM

QUOTE (benraph @ 6.Mar.2011, 09:42 PM) *
I have kept quiet about you for over a year, because you got me so angry with your bullshit that i decided you were not worth commenting on. But now you have gone too far. You are the biggest libelous, idiot that 99% of the people on this site would agree. You make up complete bullshit, you even had the cheek to accuse your own sambo of being a spy working for the inteligence services. How low can you get? Does she know that you have accused her? I would like to thank the nine, Jimmy, Jamtjim, and everyone else who has exposed you as a fraud, cheat, and Liar. If anyone should be banned for Character assasination and libels, it should be you. If we had a vote on this site, i think we know who the majority would vote for, and if your sambo knew what you accused her of, i think she would leave you. You are so caught up with your own self importance it is sick to watch you.


Never in my life have I met a College lecturer of any ilk, who didn't understand the basics of presenting a thesis. Clarity is everything, and ambiguity just leads to doubts from all who read it. What has never rang true about THFs claims of his work history and academic standing is this; THF has made numerous mentions of his work in marking, grading, and assessing, the work of students. I am sure many on this board have had papers returned by their tutors that tell them they have failed to fully address or explore a point. That they have raised issues and questions but failed to fully endorse their findings , etc. It is all part of the learning curve. You take the critique onboard and try to learn from it for next time.
This is not opinion, its fact. Tutors teach you the rules and guidlines of presenting good thesis and essays. Its a skill.
Background -Explaining your theory.- Explaining how and why you have reached your conclusions- Proof and Corroboration. Avoiding supposition where possible. I am sure, like me, many ex students had these kind of bullet points written on a peice of paper and pined up above thier desk to remind them of all the boxes to be ticked if they hope to impress those who will grade their work. Concise presentation is as important as content and any tutor will tell you that.

The point in question, is how could THF have graded peoples thesis and essays when he shows again and again that he doesn't seem to have the vaguest notion of how to present a thesis or properly construct an essay? Surely this is an essential skill for a college tutor? As anyone here can testify, THF's essays read like a stream of concious thought. His essays digress, then go off at tangents, then recap, then introduces things without embilishing them, et-al.
While the essential content may be of interest to the reader, in many instances they are a labour to read and follow because they never follow the formal presentation structure is taught in academia. Presenting essays in the THF way is NOT innovative and different, it is a sign of someone who has never learned the fundamental rules. That leads to doubt about someones credentials and qualifications to to judge the work of others.

Did you see what I did there Trow? I laid out my point and then gave reasons and elaboration on why I might consider the point to be true.

Posted by: Guest 7.Mar.2011, 05:04 PM

Sorry, just don't get your point, The Nine.

Just the other day I posted on another thread my article about how dealings with arms-for-hostages, the Reagan administration was forced to see to the assassination of Olof Palme - what I shall follow up with another article about America's continuing, troubled relationship with Tehran 's Islamic Republic.

As far as I have seen, it has just been dismissed by J.J. and others as just total bollocks without actual examples provided.

I can assure that I never did this with my students' papers. I wrote comments all over them, even positive ones when I really liked some original ideas from them. I rarely got questioned about my evaluation, and in my 30 years of teaching, I don't recall having ever changed a grade because of feedback, though I might have.

In this case about my article, as soon as it was posted on codshit.com, it was also posted on a half-dozen or so acceptable sites without my doing anything about it, so they obviously thought it was a decent-enough piece of work.

That's all I'm interested in.

Posted by: The Nine 7.Mar.2011, 05:23 PM

My point was that you don't present you own work in a way that suggests you have the background you profess to have. Its muddled and often very out of sequence. Like, I said, your tutors teach you to present your work in a concise way and you don't follow the rules of essay that surely you would have taught to others?

Posted by: Guest 7.Mar.2011, 05:34 PM

Still, no examples to show what you are complaining about.

And since I last posted, I looked at the article on another thread that I talked about, and there was no pointed attack about it by the usual complainers, just a sensible post by frey that I answered apparently to his satisfaction as he didn't post back.

And you must remember; I was a politics teacher at the college and university level, and not expected to teach students how to write papers, only let them know how well or poorly they did.

Posted by: The Nine 7.Mar.2011, 05:39 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 7.Mar.2011, 05:34 PM) *
Still, no examples to show what you are complaining about.

And since I last posted, I looked at the article on another thread that I talked about, and there was no pointed attack about it by the usual complainers, just a sensible post by frey that I answered apparently to his satisfaction as he didn't post back.


Examples? Just look a any of your essay posts on here or codshit. Any one will do. I don't need to re-post any of them to endorse my point. Neither was I complaining about anything. I was simply making an observation about how you write and structure, and why I suggests you are not what you say.

Posted by: Guest 7.Mar.2011, 05:46 PM

You just keep making your empty complaints, with no examples provided - just blanket, vague condemnations.

I was a college teacher for 30 years, had three books published by a respectable publisher, and had about 30 articles published in scholarly journals.

If you want a CV of who I am, just send me an address where you can be reached, and I shall send it along to you in due course.

Posted by: Jamtjim 7.Mar.2011, 06:13 PM

I've proved that you have lied Trollbridge Hypocrite Fraud...

Oh and I proved that you are not under any threat of assassination...

And I proved why you are wrong to believe that you have been blacklisted due to your crackpot theories...

So all in all... you're busted!

Now I know that duogrn has found evidence of a Professor Trowbridge Ford, I have found that a Trowbridge H. Ford lives in Sweden. But are either of these two the same THF as we have here?

Well judging by our THF's badly thought out and paradoxocal arguments as well has his poorly constructed and phrased essays, I don’t think this numpty has an academic background, but I'm still undecided on the other...

Posted by: Jamtjim 7.Mar.2011, 06:31 PM

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If you want a CV of who I am, just send me an address where you can be reached, and I shall send it along to you in due course.

How about just posting a scanned copy of your degree certificate for us all to see?

Posted by: The Nine 7.Mar.2011, 06:35 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 7.Mar.2011, 05:46 PM) *
You just keep making your empty complaints, with no examples provided - just blanket, vague condemnations.

I was a college teacher for 30 years, had three books published by a respectable publisher, and had about 30 articles published in scholarly journals.

If you want a CV of who I am, just send me an address where you can be reached, and I shall send it along to you in due course.


As always when you want to deflect from the point Trow, you try desperately to put words in peoples mouths. I was not complaining. I have got used to the way you write things and will read them. My point was that it isn't written is the way you would expect an academic to write. I was making an observation.

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I was a college teacher for 30 years, had three books published by a respectable publisher, and had about 30 articles published in scholarly journals.


So YOU say. I have read some of your stuff and checked out your published works. Once again, a question arises. The subject matters of your published stuff is a long way removed from much of what you say you have done in your life, or, indeed the subjects you say you taught.

You have mentioned many times that you were in the INTEL corps during Korea. OK, Ill buy that. can you define your job? Before you start claiming state secrets and the like, I am not asking you to speak specifically about casework, simply give me an outline of your position within the service. i am intersted to know hwat you were actually there to do.

And, I've sent you my email so you can send over your CV.

Posted by: Guest 7.Mar.2011, 09:11 PM

Get lost, you dipsticks. I am not about to be cross-examined by you about who I am, and what I have accomplished.

I don't have to prove who I am, and what I have achieved.

You have to prove who you are, and what, if anything, you have done.

As for your PM, The Nine, you can shove it, you know where.

I am quite willing to post bits about my CV if anyone else questions it, but for scum like you - who hide about who you really are, and what you have done or not done - forget it. smile.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 7.Mar.2011, 09:20 PM

Again a simple way to prove yourself and yet again you refuse. Wonder why no one believes you????

Posted by: Guest 7.Mar.2011, 09:41 PM

No, poor, pathic Jimmy, it is not a case of my proving who I am, as there is much evidence to be found easily about it, and I am willing to provide more about it for anyone who is honestly inquirying.

The Nine,.J.J., Vetinarí, you and other completely unknown parties are trying to create the impression that I am a fraud, attempting to subject me to cross examination about alleged my lies and cheating, as you would well know.

I have put the whole matter squarely to the adminstrators that they stop this witch hunt, starting with taking down J.J.'s pornographic link for my alleged pleasure, or I am gone.

It is as simple as that. smile.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 7.Mar.2011, 09:58 PM

Pornographic link?????????????

get real dopstock, google porn and then compare the videos you find to that one.

and how many times have you said you are leaving but still remain. But I still want the 1000kr.

I asked a question ages ago that you have NEVER answered. What is the date of the Laser Earthquake Satellite was launched?

Posted by: Jamtjim 7.Mar.2011, 09:59 PM

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I have put the whole matter squarely to the adminstrators that they stop this witch hunt, starting with taking down J.J.'s pornographic link for my alleged pleasure, or I am gone.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_aubcM-vIs

Anyway here is the link, I will leave it up to the rest of you to decide whether it is pornographic or whether Trollbridge Hypocrite Fraud is a liar...

As for a witch hunt, well if exposing lies and deliberate untruths written by a foul tempered egotist, the I'm guilty!

I'm prepared to follow the instructions of the administrators. Are you willing to come through on your threat to leave?

Ps. I love the way THF offers to send out his CV until someone actually takes him up on it! Love it!

Posted by: scandinavian leather 7.Mar.2011, 10:08 PM

The video in question is just a satire of the original:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bYDhZBFLA

Far more palatable than Jam's offering.

US military records held at St. Louis, Missouri, are available to anyone willing to file a Freedom of Information Act request.

Just sayin'

Posted by: Guest 7.Mar.2011, 10:48 PM

Jimmy, I have answered your question long ago about when the first radar, laser satellite, capable of causing an earthquake was launched It was in 1988 just in case you forgot.

And with the end of the Cold War, and the Pentagon not knowing what to do with a satellite which could apparently stop a liquid-fueled ICBM during takeoff - it was tried on the Iranians in June 1990 when the Washington warmongers were knocking down Saddam a bit for fear that they might come to his aid.

It surprisingly worked, and the Pentagon has been using the Misty, radar satellities ever since.

Posted by: Jamtjim 7.Mar.2011, 11:39 PM

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I am quite willing to post bits about my CV if anyone else questions it, but for scum like you - who hide about who you really are, and what you have done or not done - forget it.

So you are willing to provide your CV to anybody except those who ask for it?

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The Nine,.J.J., Vetinarí, you and other completely unknown parties are trying to create the impression that I am a fraud, attempting to subject me to cross examination about alleged my lies and cheating, as you would well know.

Sorry T, but we haven't tied to to create the impression that you are a fraud, but rather demonstrated conclusively that you are one...

Posted by: Guest 8.Mar.2011, 10:39 AM

Since I said I would provide information about who I am, and what I have done, here it is so that no one can think I am a fraud:

Curriculum Vitae

Name: FORD, Trowbridge Harris.

Date of Brith: November 9, 1929.

Place of Birth: El Paso, Texas.

Education: Phillips Exeter Academy, 1945-48, diploma.
Columbia College, 1948-52, A.B. degree.
Columbia University, 1956-59, Ph.D. degree (1967, having majored in modern European politics, & having minored in modern, European political theory. : Dissertation: "The Era of Lord Brougham: English Politics from Lord Liverpool to Lord Palmerston."

Military Experience: Counter Intelligence Corps, US Army, intelligence analyst, Paris, France, 1952-54.

Newspaper Experience: Raleigh Times, sports editor, and reporter, 1954-56.
Ridgefield Press, sports editor, 1988-89.

Teaching Experience: Columbia College, 1959-63, instructor of politics.
Heidelberg College, 1964-66, assistant professor of politics.
University of Maine, 1966-67, assistant professor of politics.
Holy Cross College, 1967-86, associate professor of politics.
Albertus Magnus College, spring 1989, associate in politics.
Western Connecticut University, spring 1989, associate in history.

Research Experience: London, British Museum, 1963-64.
Cambridge, Mass., Widener and Law School LIbraries, 1978-79.
London, British libraries & libraries of the Inns of Court, 1981-84.
Cambridge, Mass., Widener and Law School libraries, 1985.

Courses Regularly Taught: Soviet Foreign Policy, Soviet politics, international communism, Irish politics, politics of Ulster, British foreign policy, and British politics.

Courses Occasionally Taught: comparative politics, major European powers, politics of the Common Market, minor European state politics, politics of the Soviet bloc,
French politics, American foreign policy, and German politics.

Publications:

books:
Albert Venn Dicey: The Man and his Times (Barry Rose Publishers, Chichester, 1985).
Henry Brougham and his World: A Biography (Barry Rose Publishers, Chichester, 1995).
Lord Chancellor Brougham and his World: A Biography (Barry Rose Publishers, Chichester, 2001).

articles.
"Mill and Bagehot as Theorists of Comparative politics," Comparative Politics, Winter 1970.
"Dicey as a Political Journalist," Political Studies, Summer 1970.
"Towards a Better Relation between History and Political Science, Government & Opposition, Spåring 1972.
"Dicey's conversion to unionism," Irish Historical Studies, Fall 1973.
"The Trial of Lord Cardigan," History, Winter 1975.
"The Political Crusade against Blaine in 1884," Mid-America, Winter 1975.
"The Law of the Constitution: Dicey's Polemic against Parnell, Studies, Winter 1976.
"A. V. Dicey and the Destruction of Sir Charles Dilke," Eire-Ireland, Fall 1976.
"Not a Castro Plot but Politics of the Times Led to Kennedy's Death - I, The National Exchange, April 1978.
"Not a Castro Plot but Politics of the Times Led to Kennedy's Death" - II, The National Exchange, May 1978.
"Not a Castro Plot but Politics of the Times Lead to Kennedy's Death" - III, The National Exchange, June 1978.
"A. V. Dicey and the Destruction of Parnell," Eire-Ireland, Summer 1978.
"English Criminal Lawq Reform during and after the Napoleonic Wars, The Anglo-American Law Review, Fall 1978.
"Brougham, Denman, and the Law Lords during Peel's Administration, The Anglo-American Law Review. Winter 1978.
"Dicey's Crusade against Parnell," Studia Hibrnica, 1979.
"Lord Chancellor Brougham," The Anglo-American Law Review, Fall 1980.
"Lord Brougham among his Critics," Tijdschrift voor Rechtsgeschiedenis, 1981.
"Letter from Washington," Private Eye, November 20, 1981.
"Peterloo: The Legal Background," The Durham University Journal, Summer 1982.
"The Remaking of a Unionist: A. V. Dicey and the Second Home Rule Bill," Eire-Ireland, Summer 1982.
"Truro, Brougham and Law Reform during Russell's Administration," Tijdschrift voor Rechtsgeschiedenis, 1985.
"English Criminal Law Reform: From Peterloo to Peel," The Durham University Journal, Summer 1984.
"The Whig Controversy behind Papal Aggression: Brougham vs. Russell," The Anglo-American Law Review, Winter 1984.
"Henry Brougham and the Reform of Private Bill Legislation," Parliaments, Estates and Representation, Winter 1984.
"Brougham as a Barrister: Courtroom Dilemmas of a Notorious Radical," The Journal of Legal History, Winter 1984. (Reprinted
in Custom, Courts & Counsel: Selected Papers of the 6th British Legal History Conference (Frank Cass., London, 1985).
"Reflections on an Extended Sty in Britain," British Politics Group Newsletter, Winter 1985.
"Political Coverage in The Times, 1811-41," Bulletin of the Institute of Historical Research, may 1986.
"The Arms Race that Wouldn't End," The Student Review, May 1986.
"The Constitutional Association: Private Prosecutions in Reaction to Peterloo," The Jouranl of Legal History, Winter 1986,
"The Common Law over the Last 150 Years: An Anglo-Amerian Perspective," Justice of the Peace, 150th anniversary issue, Noivember 28, 1987.

Grants: Special Faculty Fellowship, Holy Cross College, spring 1972.
Faculty Fellowship, Holy Cross College, 1978-79.
Faculty Fellowship, Holy Cross College, spring 1985.

Posted by: The Nine 8.Mar.2011, 11:04 AM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 7.Mar.2011, 11:39 PM) *
So you are willing to provide your CV to anybody except those who ask for it?

Sorry T, but we haven't tied to to create the impression that you are a fraud, but rather demonstrated conclusively that you are one...

Message boards and the use of board names make posters relatively annonymous. Trow, you're no different to anyone else. Trowbridge H Ford is not your real name so you post behind a board name, same as most others. You attack others for doing exactly what you, yourself, do.

The big difference here, is that no-one else on this board, posts the kind of stuff that you do. For that reason there is not the onus on others to establish their professional credentials. You claim to have been in the inteligence community and served with U.S Inteligence Corps. You have often referred to this for the purposes of adding credibility to your 'theorys'. That is to say, you mention your alleged employment by U.S intelligence in order to endorse your theories and suggest you have professional expereince in this field. Your self-penned Wikispooks biography lists you as an ex US Army Counter Intelligence Corps agent. Once again, you have posted this in order to add credibility to your posts.

The thing is Trow; as is born out again and again in your posts and essays, you SAY a lot of things but seldom supply any solid evidence to support it. Not only does that apply to your theories and essays, but also to your supposed professional credentials. You say you worked for US counter intelligence BUT when questioned about exactly what your role was, you deflect from the point in your usual way. ( By throwing insults) Surely anyone who had been in US Intelligence should be able to speak knowledgabley enough about it to convince others they are telling the truth? Surely that is hugely in your interest? For sure, you might have worked at US Intelligence during Korea (as you say you did) However, you could have been the post room monkey or the janitor, or mess orderley.. at US Intelligence.

Saying you worked there doesn't automatically mean your role was Inteligence based. For that reason I was giving you the opportunity to convince me and others of your actual status. And before you bleat out your usual reply to these kind of questions ( I don't have to justify my credentials to you dipskicks ,etc etc) I would say that you do have to endorse your credentials, if you want people to take you more seriously.

Posted by: Guest 8.Mar.2011, 11:40 AM

Now I am an imposter - just another dipstick, feigning to be Trowbridge H. Ford. blink.gif

Haven't you guys reached the bottom of the barrel yet?

Posted by: The Nine 8.Mar.2011, 11:50 AM

I was simply pointing out what countless others have said many times before. You NEVER back things up. You SAY lots and prove NOTHING. That goes for your professional history too. You have posted your CV. Who is to say what is true and what is made up?

For a start, your name is NOT Trowbridge H Ford so there's a falsehood right at the top of the page. That is not what it says on your birth certificate.
Secondly, no one of that name was on the staff at Columbia Univeristy at the time you say you taught there. I contacted them and they did some checking for me. So either you never taught there or you were not called Trowbridge H Ford at that time.

Posted by: Plowbridge 8.Mar.2011, 11:53 AM

But his name is Trowbridge H Ford. Easy enough to check out on Birthday.se or the like.

Posted by: Jamtjim 8.Mar.2011, 11:54 AM

QUOTE
Since I said I would provide information about who I am, and what I have done, here it is so that no one can think I am a fraud:


But Trow, anyone could have typed in that CV and adhered their name to the top of it. It's entire veracity depends on your own credibility and as such cannot be used to bolster it. In this case you are asking us to take you at your word on this where your word has been shown to be wanting in this and other threads.

Therefore any intelligent reader must assume a degree of scepticism towards the information contained therein. Really Trow, did you manage to gain a degree without basic knowledge of how to judge a source's credibility?

Posted by: Jamtjim 8.Mar.2011, 11:56 AM

QUOTE
But his name is Trowbridge H Ford. Easy enough to check out on Birthday.se or the like.

Well like I said before, a Trowbridge H. Ford is registered as living in Sweden, but this does not mean that this individual is actually him or anyone else with the same name. You are not really called Plowbridge are you?

Posted by: Guest 8.Mar.2011, 11:59 AM

You are just beyond belief.

I have my birth certificate from the El Paso city authorities, stating that Trowbridge H. Ford was born at the William Beamount Hospital there on November 9, 1929, my social security card in this name, my discharge certificate from the CIC in this name, my Ph.D. from Columbia University in 1967 in the same name, all my personal correspondence in this name, etc., etc. etc.

The simple facts are that you simply refuse to admit any facts about me when I have thousands of them to prove who I am.

And all this just encourages me to leave - what I believe is your real purpose - and I shall for engaging in any discussions, just posting my articles when I finish them - like the one I am writing about the fallout from the Palme assassination.

Goodbye, dipsticks!

Posted by: Plowbridge 8.Mar.2011, 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 8.Mar.2011, 11:56 AM) *
You are not really called Plowbridge are you?


Of course I am, silly.

Posted by: Jamtjim 8.Mar.2011, 12:08 PM

QUOTE
I have my birth certificate from the El Paso city authorities, stating that Trowbridge H. Ford was born at the William Beamount Hospital there on November 9, 1929, my social security card in this name, my discharge certificate from the CIC in this name, my Ph.D. from Columbia University in 1967 in the same name, all my personal correspondence in this name, etc., etc. etc.


None of which you have shown...

QUOTE
And all this just encourages me to leave - what I believe is your real purpose - and I shall for engaging in any discussions, just posting my articles when I finish them - like the one I am writing about the fallout from the Palme assassination.


Hmm, so you want to be able to post articles without having to back them up? Is this how they did research in your day? What ever happened regarding peer review? You articles are unsubstantiated paradoxical and often clearly incorrect nonsense and the only way you have to defend them is to call the people who disagree with you names or, as you now intend to do, ignore all the issues they raise.

Well done Trow, you have no creditability left! No one takes you seriously! You are a joke!

Posted by: Guest 8.Mar.2011, 12:15 PM

I don't know how to post these things on this site, and if I could, you would probably just dismiss them as items that I had somehow stolen. If you want to see them, you are welcome to come over here and take a look.

And if I have lost all credibility, why do you keep going on, and on, and on, and on...about it. Don't you have something worthwhile to do?

And when I post articles, you can go on, and on, and on, and on...about how bad they are, and I won't care one iota, as I just want to get them posted.

You know that you have a busted case, and you are just trying to hide the fact. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Jamtjim 8.Mar.2011, 12:23 PM

QUOTE
And when I post articles, you can go on, and on, and on, and on...about how bad they are, and I won't care one iota, as I just want to get them posted.


Feel free Trowies, but just as before, they will be shown to be unreliable so if your hope was to convince anybody else of their truth then anything you write will be negated by new rebuttals and links to previous deconstructions and exposed lies.

If you want unquestioning acceptance, surely posting elsewhere would be a more effective way to spread the Trowth!

Posted by: Guest 8.Mar.2011, 12:49 PM

There are almost 5,000 views of this thread already. That's good enough for me - just want to weed out the dipsticks when it comes to me personally - what you have lied about to an unimagineable degree.

Posted by: Jamtjim 8.Mar.2011, 12:57 PM

QUOTE
There are almost 5,000 views of this thread already.



The vast majority pointing out what a fraud, cheat and a liar you are THF, at least two of them containing disproofs of your theories and a satire of your good self as a paranoid school child. Well done Trow; job done!

Posted by: Guest 8.Mar.2011, 01:24 PM

There has been nothing disproving what I have said in my articles on this thread. smile.gif

Posted by: The Nine 8.Mar.2011, 03:19 PM

A most amusing read. Seems Localers are not the only ones who think THF is a retarded egotist


http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/07/09/and-tb-just-listened/

Posted by: Dazzler 9.Mar.2011, 10:07 AM

Ahh yes Trowbridge, the internet equivalent of a failed sideshow freak.

Posted by: Rick Methven 9.Mar.2011, 10:32 AM

QUOTE (The Nine @ 8.Mar.2011, 03:19 PM) *
A most amusing read. Seems Localers are not the only ones who think THF is a retarded egotist

http://sluggerotoole.com/2007/07/09/and-tb-just-listened/

I Get that feeling of deja vu, It could have been from any one of Trows threads on TL laugh.gif

Posted by: mikewhite 16.Mar.2011, 11:17 PM

The current word in the machine intelligence groups is that THF is a software entity created at IBM research labs, running in the spare seconds on a medical supercomputer, designed to pass the Turing test and hence win a large prize, as well as kudos.

Posted by: Guest 31.Mar.2011, 12:24 PM

Just thought that I would correct the useless fantasies about the Palme assassination and me with links Slugger O'Toole has established to try to promote a resolution of the Stockholm assassination without it being implicated in the process if it comes to any libel suits - what is most unlikely with Simon Hayward, Solider 'A' in the target practice killing of Francis Bradley in preparation for the Palme one, given a new identity as Captain James Rennie, and Derek Bird, Soldier 'C' in the Bradley killing who actually murdered him, now a suicide victim after the carnage in Cumbria:

http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/03/28/government-apologises-over-majella-ohare-killing/
http://sluggerotoole.com/profile/trowbridge-h-ford/

My departure from this site will never be at the expense of continuing to report developments which might solve the assassination which could have killed us all if it had not been for spying for the Soviets, the needless killings of all kinds of double agents and Norwegian engineers, the mutinies by US Navy Atlantic Fleet Commander Admiral Carl Trost. etc.

Posted by: Guest 31.Mar.2011, 01:28 PM

And for posters who are still prepared to rubbish my claims, remember that Slugger O'Toole's Mick Fealty could have deleted all my posts and my profile, but instead he highlighted both of them with the links which implicated Hayward and Bird in the conspiracy murder of the statsminister, plus this e-mail in which he thanked me for my "good stuff":

That's what the black spot is intended for Trow. We have a policy of not taking down profiles. So long, and thanks for your good stuff. But you are way too high maintenance.

On 30 March 2011 14:33, Trowbridge Ford <[email protected]> wrote:

I am sending this message to you as I have been informed that it cannot be delivered.

Please take the appropriate action on it.

Thank you,
Trowbridge Ford

----- Original Message ----- From: "Trowbridge Ford" <[email protected]>
To: "WordPress" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Black spot

Dear Moderator Team,

I do not believe in half measures.

Please make my banning permanent, as I want nothing to do with a site which exercises informing posters about who I allegedly am for its own political purposes in the name of explaining my position on a thread, censoring statements by me which have been proven by court actions on the false grounds that they may be libellous, your issuing and allowing probably libellous statements about people like Private Michael Williams while refusing to post claims by me about apparent murderers which yet have to be proven libellous, and deleting whole posts of mine without even indicating same.

It just makes your claims about not playing the man manifestly false in my case.

And please take down my profile if it still exists as I don't want posters to think I am still part of this thought control. I would do so myself but I apparently can't.

This site is part of the covert UK state which I never again want to be a part of.

Goodbye,
Trowbridge Ford

----- Original Message ----- From: "WordPress" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: Black spot

You have been awarded a black spot on Slugger O'Toole and are been banned from logging in or commenting
for an indefinite period of time.
The penalty was awarded for this comment:
http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/03/28/government-apologises-over-majella-ohare-killing/comment-page-2/#comment-835207

Slugger O'Toole
Moderator Team

--
Mick Fealty

+ 44 7984 150399
+ 44 1258455582

twitter/mickfealty

sluggerconsults.com
sluggerotoole.com

...

Case closed, dipsticks.

Posted by: Rick Methven 31.Mar.2011, 04:29 PM

Well at least codshit still loves you ...

For now at least

If TL started editing your comments would you resign from here also and ask for your profile and all posts to be deleted

Yours hopefully

RM biggrin.gif

Posted by: Guest 31.Mar.2011, 04:55 PM

You cannot see anything important, RM aka Dickhead Ricky.

If Slugger O'Toole allowed my accusatory posts to remain unchallenged, it could be sued - given Britain's draconion libel laws where the claimant has to prove what he claims beyond a reasonable doubt - and SO has much to lose in any such action, so Mick Fealty took some of my posts down, had others censored, and even banned me for an indefinite time.

It was only by my contesting it, and making my banning permanent that he revealed how appreciative he is of my work, especially since Hayward and Bird apparently killed Francis Bradley in preparation for assassinating Palme - what I connected to other British forces, especially Private Michael Williams, murdering poor Majella O'Hare in the hope of persons overlooking the real cause of Bird going on the rampage in Cumbria..

If TL starts banning me, or censoring my work, given the unending insults, lies, etc., that you and the other dipsticks proclaim, I shall certainly be going permanently.

Just keep working and hoping away while the world continues to go down the sewer. blink.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 31.Mar.2011, 08:09 PM

@Rick

He came back so pay up wink.gif

Just when there was only subjects relating to Sweden, Trow comes back

Posted by: Uglybetty66 1.Apr.2011, 08:08 PM

I would like to have had the patience to wade through all of the story but my screen is too small. However I would point out that Amnesty International was founded by a lapsed Roman Catholic so should be treated with suspicion. I am not too sure about the Knights of Malta. I thought the church disowned them back in the middle ages. But what do I know. The Knights of St Columba are active in Europe but they mainly carry out charity work I think. I will buy the book when it comes out though. Truth can sometimes be stranger than fiction. I had no idea that so many spies and dubious characters lurked on this board. I shall tread carefully from now on.
However no one can take on the world. I downloaded Archie Duncanson's booklet" Ecology begins at home" from the local the other day. He makes a lot of sense to me.
Make the best of your life and stop worrying too much about what you cannot change.

Posted by: huckleberry 1.Apr.2011, 09:33 PM

Surprise surprise - Trow has returned yet again - despite him PROMISING never to return (again). Hollow empty words.

Posted by: Dazzler 2.Apr.2011, 05:19 AM

Not a surprise at all. He is like a bad case of herpes. Much like his empty theories, his actions carry no weight.

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 06:43 AM

Thanks Betty for your well-intended, consoling words, but they are a recipte for oblivion - what I neither want nor need.

As long as the USA continues to remake the world through force - whether they be assassinations, preventive wars, military surprises, 'false flag' operations, man-made disasters, space or submarine shots, etc. - with the aid and assistance of NATO and the EU, and in the name of some kind of legimitacy - like promoting freedom and democracy - and with some semblance of legality, like a vote in the UN or some kind of confab agreement among the warmongers - the world is on the skids to armageddon.

It must be stopped, and some kind of accounting made to the greatest excesses it has engaged in up to now, especially the Palme assassination and its plotted consequences, as the world, especially China and Russia, is increasingly rejecting it.

I shall not be around much longer to assist the process, as it is up for younger people like you, to rein in Rambo. Good luck.

And I would not have come back if Jamtjim had not continued his rant against me by changing the subtitle of this thread, claiming most falsely that I am liar, cheater, imposter, pervert, etc., who no one believes. You leave this thread alone, and you will not see anything more from me, you blind supporters of the enemies in the West.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 11:01 AM

QUOTE
And I would not have come back if Jamtjim had not continued his rant against me by changing the subtitle of this thread, claiming most falsely that I am liar, cheater, imposter, pervert, etc., who no one believes. You leave this thread alone, and you will not see anything more from me, you blind supporters of the enemies in the West.

I would hardly call changing the thread title a rant, but then when have you ever not exaggerated something in order to support your ideas. In reality Trowie I have changed the thread titles so that they better and more accurately represent the nature of the thread ie. that it contains conspiratorial lies and nonsense emanating from a delusional, paranoid cybernut who absolutely no one supports or lends any credence to.

The truth is Trow, that you only left us on a temporary basis after you had a hissy fit when The Local refused to censor http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=39681&hl= which poked a bit of fun at you. Unable to cope with the idea of not being taken seriously, you falsely accused me of posting a link to pornographic material which it was definitely was not iIn fact, you admitted to only watching the video, after you were convinced it was pornographic.) You asked for the tread to be removed and them stormed away like spoilt child because it wasn't.

You have only returned to us now because you have been banned from the other websites where you post your lies. Slugger O'Toole banned you and in your warped mind, you see that as a sign of support! You post a mail which thanks you for your "good stuff" but this is far from an admission of support for your crackpot and libellous allegations. In any case the mail could well be made up by yourself (we have no verification of its authenticity) and you have form in the area of dishonestly and down right lying.

Trollbridge, you are a proven fraud and liar. The evidence is all over this forum so any independent person can verify this fact. No one believes you and few if any value your "contribution" to this forum. Your loony theories have no credibility and those who have not been destroyed by logic, have been destroyed by association to you. It is even up for debate as to if you are actually the Trowbridge H. Ford, that you claim to be and there is mounting evidence to think that this may not be the case. In the main, when people respond to you, it is to debunk you and your ideas, poke fun at The Local's resident fruitcake or an a minority of cases reply not being aware of your form.

Personally, I don't mind if you are back again. As before I will expose the vacuous nature of your ideas and continue to out you as a liar and a fraud as I am sure will others, so don't expect an easy ride. What you need to remember is that on this forum at least, you are a laughing stock with negative credibility and it matters not how much you post, this will remain the case for eternity.

Edit: In hindsight, perhaps I shouldn't have said that I didn't mind if Trollbridge is back; no doubt he will mistakenly interpret this as my unwavering support for his crackpot theories!

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 11:36 AM

Of course, the changing of a thread's subtitle by an unidentified poster, only to say that the thread starter is a lying, fraud troll is not only a rant, but also a libet when it is not true - what you are only capable of in an anonymous status.

Post it under you real name, and you might see something substantial in return.

As for what real people with some kind of reputation think of my work, here is an example:

----- Original Message -----
From: Mick
To: Trowbridge Ford
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 4:36 PM
Subject: Re: Black spot

That's what the black spot is intended for Trow. We have a policy of not taking down profiles. So long, and thanks for your good stuff. But you are way too high maintenance.

On 30 March 2011 14:33, Trowbridge Ford <[email protected]> wrote:

I am sending this message to you as I have been informed that it cannot be delivered.

Please take the appropriate action on it.

Thank you,
Trowbridge Ford

----- Original Message ----- From: "Trowbridge Ford" <[email protected]>
To: "WordPress" <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: Black spot

Dear Moderator Team,

I do not believe in half measures.

Please make my banning permanent, as I want nothing to do with a site which exercises informing posters about who I allegedly am for its own political purposes in the name of explaining my position on a thread, censoring statements by me which have been proven by court actions on the false grounds that they may be libellous, your issuing and allowing probably libellous statements about people like Private Michael Williams while refusing to post claims by me about apparent murderers which yet have to be proven libellous, and deleting whole posts of mine without even indicating same.

It just makes your claims about not playing the man manifestly false in my case.

And please take down my profile if it still exists as I don't want posters to think I am still part of this thought control. I would do so myself but I apparently can't.

This site is part of the covert UK state which I never again want to be a part of.

Goodbye,
Trowbridge Ford

----- Original Message ----- From: "WordPress" <[email protected]>
To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 8:31 AM
Subject: Black spot

You have been awarded a black spot on Slugger O'Toole and are been banned from logging in or commenting
for an indefinite period of time.
The penalty was awarded for this comment:
http://sluggerotoole.com/2011/03/28/government-apologises-over-majella-ohare-killing/comment-page-2/#comment-835207

Slugger O'Toole
Moderator Team

--
--
Mick Fealty

+ 44 7984 150399
+ 44 1258455582

twitter/mickfealty

sluggerconsults.com
sluggerotoole.com

----

Fealty only banned me indefinitely for posting most pointedly about what the Bird rampage in Cumbria caused the ordered new inquest in the target-practice shooting of Francis Bradley in preparation for assassinating Olof Palme ten days later - what would have proven the world's most dangerous event if it had not been for the spying for Moscow by the Agency's Aldrich 'Rick' Ames, the Bureau's Robert Hanssen et al. - what enabled the Soviets to prevent the shooting by the 14 Intelligence Company's Captain Simon Hayward from going any further.

Slugger O'Toole's Turgon censored these obvious names from my posts there in order to have my claims go further without any likely repercussion to the site - what I complained about so much as to result in my banning. I would not accept it, though, calling for making it permanent, as it had served my purpose of getting Fealthy's endorsement of all my "good stuff".

And I am back here to exploit it at your obvious expense. And if others are not concerned about such dangerous moves by the Anglo-Americans in today's world, it just shows how lost they are.

Keep it up, you pathetic, cowardly dipstick.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 12:17 PM

QUOTE
Of course, the changing of a thread's subtitle by an unidentified poster, only to say that the thread starter is a lying, fraud troll is not only a rant, but also a libet when it is not true - what you are only capable of in an anonymous status.

Post it under you real name, and you might see something substantial in return.

Once again you show us your misunderstanding of the English language. To rant is defined as "speak or shout (or write I guess -JJ) at length in an angry, impassioned way". Now I hardly think that changing a few thread titles indicates me to be angry or impassioned nor does it happen at length as it is only a short title therefore it is not a rant.

Neither is it libel (or even libet) as in order to be libellous a statement has to be untrue. As the proof of your dishonesty lies in this very thread as well as others on this forum, my statement is not untrue, therefore it is not libel.

Case closed.

QUOTE
Post it under you real name, and you might see something substantial in return.

As for what real people with some kind of reputation think of my work, here is an example:

Why would I post under my real name, when it is not even guaranteed (or even likely?) that you post under yours! As for you posting emails that you allege to have received, well as I said before with the email supposedly your sister and the posting of your CV, how can we be satisfied that they are indeed genuine when so much else of what you say is palpably dishonest or otherwise incorrect?

QUOTE
Slugger O'Toole's Turgon censored these obvious names from my posts there in order to have my claims go further without any likely repercussion to the site - what I complained about so much as to result in my banning. I would not accept it, though, calling for making it permanent, as it had served my purpose of getting Fealthy's endorsement of all my "good stuff".

Let's take a step back and look at what actually happened. You were warned after making repeated unsubstantiated and unfounded allegations (as is your modus operandi) about specific individuals which were judged to have been potentially libellous and as such put the website under threat of legal action. You ignored the warning and were banned for an unspecified time. In order to bolster your ego and to make you feel like you were some kind of martyr, you then asked them to make the ban permanent. The thank you that you allege to have received for the "good work" would be better seen as analogous to the reaction of a parent when presented with a page full of scribblings; "Thank you Trowie, it really is a lovely picture." This is not in anyway an enforcement of your wild crackpot theory, so if that was your intention, then you have indeed failed dismally.

QUOTE
And I am back here to exploit it at your obvious expense.

I guess that you are only back until you have your next childish temper tantrum and leave in a self obsessed and wholly delusional blaze of glory.

QUOTE
And if others are not concerned about such dangerous moves by the Anglo-Americans in today's world, it just shows how lost they are.

I am concerned about any dangerous moves made by Anglo-Americans or anyone else for that matter. But then the difference between us is that I am only concerned with real ones and not the fantastical and fictional nonsense which you spout out of the Thowbridge Harris.

QUOTE
Keep it up, you pathetic, cowardly dipstick.

Ahh, bless. It's like being back at the playground!

Posted by: Johno 2.Apr.2011, 12:24 PM

QUOTE
when it is not even guaranteed (or even likely?) that you post under yours!

Trow is easily found on any of the Swedish identity sites with address and dob, so you could go round and visit him in the unlikely event that you so wished tongue.gif

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 12:29 PM

Until you post your real name, address, and where you can be contacted, you are simply using your anonymous status to defame me - what I am certainly willing to put into a court case to prove who really is the fraudster, liar, defamer, imposter, etc. - and other posters should give no credibility to until you show that you have some credibility.
And if you have resources to boot, I shall attempt to take a good amount of them away from you.

Until you post these details, I shall be consulting a lawyer and/or private detective to determine who you are, and why this site, especially its moderators, have allowed you to run wild at my expense when you have been provided evidence that my claims about matters I have discussed are not simply looney, a cv that I have provided about me is true, etc.

In the meantine, put up or shut up. smile.gif

Thanks, Johno for the information. I shall be having the people I hire to get him look into the sites for information about him, as I certainly plan to sue him if there is even the slightest bit to be gain by doing so.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 12:30 PM

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Trow is easily found on any of the Swedish identity sites with address and dob, so you could go round and visit him in the unlikely event that you so wished

That is true, but my point is whether this poster and the person at that address are one and the same!

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 12:48 PM

Seems I would have to have jamtjim's e-mail, dob or street address, info I don't have, but will see if it can be gained in advancing a court action from sources like this site.

I'm really serious about going after jamtjim, as I have really had it with his unending, personal, anonymous attacks.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 12:53 PM

QUOTE
Until you post your real name, address, and where you can be contacted, you are simply using your anonymous status to defame me - what I am certainly willing to put into a court case to prove who really is the fraudster, liar, defamer, imposter, etc. - and other posters should give no credibility to until you show that you have some credibility.

I'm not asking for anyone to lend me any credibility but instead have shown why they should not lend any to you. Let's be clear here, I am not asking anyone to believe anything. Where you have been caught out in a lie, I have indicated this. The rest is an explanation of why no one should believe a word you say as you have been shown to have been dishonest from the start. It is, I believe neither libellous as it is not untrue nor it is actionable as I have done nothing illegal. In any case, I would not cast stones in a glass house as if any legal body were to examine the claims made on this site with a view to taking legal action, they would be sure to have their hands full with yours!

QUOTE
Until you post these details, I shall be consulting a lawyer and/or private detective to determine who you are, and why this site, especially its moderators, have allowed you to run wild at my expense when you have been provided evidence that my claims about matters I have discussed are not simply looney, a cv that I have provided about me is true, etc.

Go for it Trow. I mean it, go for it. If you have sufficient funds to support a hopeless legal action then be my guest. Where I have proved your claims to be incorrect, I have stated this. Where I have simply cast doubt upon them, I have not claimed proof. With regard to your CV, I have never said that it is definitely not true, but rather that we have no reason to believe it's authenticity other than your dubious word.

It also occurs to me that once again you are being somewhat hypocritical. Here is a quote from your post number 203 where you criticise Britain's "draconian" libel laws:

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...where the claimant has to prove what he claims beyond a reasonable doubt...

Isn't this the same "draconian" policy that you seek in inflict upon me! You want to sue me for me exercising my right to free speech, the very same right you seek to utilise to express your own wild and nonsensical theories.

In any case, I have been very clear to differentiate where you have clearly lied and when your theories should be treated with scepticism. My allegations of liar and fraud, are aimed solely as a result of your proven lies and as such I stand my them. You are a liar as you have been caught out lying, therefore I have no case to answer.

I won't hold my breath, my litigious friend.

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 01:55 PM

I certainly am going to sue you - a person who has constantly asked posters to believe your claims that there is no evidence to believe my claims about anything, that no one believes what they are, I am an imposter, certainly not who I claim I am, Trowbridge H. Ford, there is growing evidence that I am a fraud, etc.

I am certainly going to spend whatever I have to show a court that it is you who is the libeller, hopefully also establishing who you really work for, and if it is some intelligence service, it might help break the Palme case wide open.

And in the process, I shall be looking into suing TL for allowing you to go on falsely and endlessly about who I am not despite my efforts of correct it and you.

I don't expect you to hold your breath, as it may take awhile to put it all together, but you shall be hearing seriously some day, I believe, about it, and I hope you will pay dearly for having wasted your breath on me. smile.gif

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 02:24 PM

QUOTE
I certainly am going to sue you - a person who has constantly asked posters to believe your claims that there is no evidence to believe my claims about anything, that no one believes what they are, I am an imposter, certainly not who I claim I am, Trowbridge H. Ford, there is growing evidence that I am a fraud, etc.


Trowie baby, can you not read? Are you deficient in the comprehension department? Otherwise how else could you come up with such a misunderstood understanding of what I am saying. I'm dot saying categorically that no reliable evidence exists to support your claims, but instead that you have never presented any and as such the unbiased reader must therefore assume a position of scepticism with regard to them. The claim that no one believes you is an opinion based upon the responses of other posters on this forum, and that nobody has rallied to your assistance. The claims that you may not be who you say you are is also valid as again we have only your word for that, a word which we have seen before is somewhat dubious. Again I am not nor have I ever stated that you are definitely not the person you say you are, but just that we have no more reason to believe that than we have to assume my real name is Jamtjim.

In fact the only hard and fast claim I have made is that you are a liar and it is based on your post in this thread number 129 when you claimed:

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And remember, J. J. has admitted that none of my claims have been disproven.


When in post number 123 I had written:

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Secondly, I personally have logically disproved your claim to be under threat of assassination.


So you have been show to have lied regarding my statement regarding the disproof of your claims. You are therefore a liar and as you present a fraudulent impression of my stance, you are a fraud as well.

Now how are you going to get round that then Trow?

QUOTE
I am certainly going to spend whatever I have to show a court that it is you who is the libeller, hopefully also establishing who you really work for, and if it is some intelligence service, it might help break the Palme case wide open.


I wouldn't bother Trow, the people I work for are not as exciting as you would like to think!

QUOTE
And in the process, I shall be looking into suing TL for allowing you to go on falsely and endlessly about who I am not despite my efforts of correct it and you.


Well then I would expect that The Local would then deem your presence here to be damaging to their interests and would thus remove you. That is if your threats are anything more than empty...

QUOTE
I don't expect you to hold your breath, as it may take awhile to put it all together, but you shall be hearing seriously some day, I believe, about it, and I hope you will pay dearly for having wasted your breath on me.


So we can safely say that you and your claims will be vindicated if and only if you succeed in your legal claims against me. Any other outcome, and we can regard your claims as fraudulent!

By the way, I would like to make a further accusation against you, in that you are a proven hypocrite. You express indignation when people seek to censor your posts regarding your ideas and theories, but then you in turn try to have me censored for expressing mine. Add that to your sue list!

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 02:52 PM

Just your usual cherry-picking claims, and their alleged answers - what I shall see, if I can, a court to answer rather than just your statements and an approving chorus of like-minded posters. The trial will not be a popularity contest, but who said what, when, and why.

Bringing in TL is my final response to its letting you do whatever you wanted with my threads, even their titles so that one could only know what they were about by opening them up, while shutting down other spammers when they appeared.

I shall not be disappointed if you are not exposed as a spook, as any suit against you will allow me, and others all kinds of ways to expose the plot which killed Palme, and all the rest of us if it had not been for the spying for Moscow by people who are spending the rest of their lives in prison, 17 Norwegian engineers who were needlessly killed during the mad build-up at the Soviets' expense, Derek Bird going off the rails when he realized that he was being made the fallguy for what Captain Simon Hayward actually did here in Stockholm, etc.

Hope to see you in court soon.

P. s. See that you characteristcally make another accusation against me being now a hypocrite, only to add its being proven, since I object to lies about me while making claims about others, especially yours, which still have not been disproven.

That makes the sum total of your alleged proven claims against me as follows: I am a liar, cheat, fraudster, imposter, pervert, and hypocrite. Still willing to add others if you see fit. laugh.gif

Now I see that The Nine wants to join in. As I understand libel cases, jamtjim - and you, if you like - will have to show that I am the above. Better start collecting some evidence.

Posted by: The Nine 2.Apr.2011, 03:04 PM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 2.Apr.2011, 01:17 PM) *
Once again you show us your misunderstanding of the English language. To rant is defined as "speak or shout (or write I guess -JJ) at length in an angry, impassioned way". Now I hardly think that changing a few thread titles indicates me to be angry or impassioned nor does it happen at length as it is only a short title therefore it is not a rant.

Neither is it libel (or even libet) as in order to be libellous a statement has to be untrue. As the proof of your dishonesty lies in this very thread as well as others on this forum, my statement is not untrue, therefore it is not libel.

Case closed.

Why would I post under my real name, when it is not even guaranteed (or even likely?) that you post under yours! As for you posting emails that you allege to have received, well as I said before with the email supposedly your sister and the posting of your CV, how can we be satisfied that they are indeed genuine when so much else of what you say is palpably dishonest or otherwise incorrect?

Let's take a step back and look at what actually happened. You were warned after making repeated unsubstantiated and unfounded allegations (as is your modus operandi) about specific individuals which were judged to have been potentially libellous and as such put the website under threat of legal action. You ignored the warning and were banned for an unspecified time. In order to bolster your ego and to make you feel like you were some kind of martyr, you then asked them to make the ban permanent. The thank you that you allege to have received for the "good work" would be better seen as analogous to the reaction of a parent when presented with a page full of scribblings; "Thank you Trowie, it really is a lovely picture." This is not in anyway an enforcement of your wild crackpot theory, so if that was your intention, then you have indeed failed dismally.

I guess that you are only back until you have your next childish temper tantrum and leave in a self obsessed and wholly delusional blaze of glory.

I am concerned about any dangerous moves made by Anglo-Americans or anyone else for that matter. But then the difference between us is that I am only concerned with real ones and not the fantastical and fictional nonsense which you spout out of the Thowbridge Harris.

Ahh, bless. It's like being back at the playground!

In order to prove a libel case you must show that the statements made are untrue. rolleyes.gif

Do it Trow. For once don't make empty threats. Please sue me too. You are a liar and a fantasist. Obviously you will be aware that, as these accusations are borne of a web forum, all conversations are already minuted. Please please do it. Once again, you are a liar.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 03:05 PM

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Just your usual cherry-picking claims, and their alleged answers


Hmm, hardly only alleged as they can be viewed on page 9 of this thread!

QUOTE
Bringing in TL is my final response to its letting you do whatever you wanted with my threads, even their titles so that one could only know what they are about about opening them up while shutting down other spammers when they appeared


They are not your threads Trowie, you simply started them and The Local lets us discuss them further; this is the nature of a discussion forum, even a simpleton could understand that! TL also allows its posters to change thread titles in order to better express their content, something I have done albeit with a slightly mischievous slant.

QUOTE
I shall not be disappointed if you are not exposed as a spook, as any suit against you will allow me, and others all kinds of ways to expose the plot which killed Palme, and all the rest of us if it had not been for the spying for Moscow by people who are spending the rest of their lives in prison, 17 Norwegian engineers who were needlessly killed during the mad build-up at the Soviets' expense, Derek Bird going off the rails when he realized that he was being made the fallguy for what Captain Simon Hayward actually did here in Stockholm, etc.


Trow, if it comes to court (and I am highly dubious as to that eventuality), then nobody will give it a second thought. In fact, if it does get to court, and you start banging on about unsubstantiated conspiracy nonsense, then it will only serve to strengthen my case at your expense! Part of me almost wants this to happen...


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Hope to see you in court soon.


When would that be then? Only after you have completely rewritten the legal definition of libel one would suppose. Anyway good luck, and as I said, I won't hold my breath!

Posted by: The Nine 2.Apr.2011, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 2.Apr.2011, 04:05 PM) *
Hmm, hardly only alleged as they can be viewed on page 9 of this thread!



They are not your threads Trowie, you simply started them and The Local lets us discuss them further; this is the nature of a discussion forum, even a simpleton could understand that! TL also allows its posters to change thread titles in order to better express their content, something I have done albeit with a slightly mischievous slant.



Trow, if it come to court (and I am highly dubious as to that eventuality), then nobody will give it a second thought. In fact, if it does get to court, and you start banging on about unsubstantiated conspiracy nonsense, then it will only serve to strengthen my case at your expense! Part of me almost wants this to happen...




When would that be then? Only after you have completely rewritten the legal definition of libel one would suppose. Anyway good luck, and as I said, I won't hold my breath!


Jamtjim, Ill pay your legal costs if you lose. You now have that in writing.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 03:16 PM

Woops... sorry!

Posted by: Craptastical 2.Apr.2011, 03:26 PM

Trow: Tantrum much?

Is this whole thing part of an annual cycle? It seems that at least once a year Trow throws a huge fit, leaves, comes back, throws another hissy, disappears (I think last year Trow was traveling for a while or something in NY), and then comes back and the whole cycle starts anew.

Could Trow be experiencing an annual manopause cycle? This and so much more coming up on the 11 o'clock news.

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 03:33 PM

You are really getting rattled, jamtjim.

The Nine offers to pay your legal fees if you lose my case against you, and you mistake him for me. And then you go on about my reneging (note the spelling) on my ALLEGED bet with Jimmy. Another word to check as it means to assert without proof.

You don't have a clue as to who'is who, and what's what. See that jamtjim has now erased the offending post to The Nine, hoping that he didn't spot it. Look forward to seeing you in the flesh in court.

And be sure to bring along Crappy, as he is just adding his own fantasies about me, as I can still function sexually at 81. And I consider any claims about an alleged menopause much less offensive, as it ultimately happens to everyone if they live long enough, than I am a liar, fraud, cheater, imposter, pervent, hypocrite, and spammner. biggrin.gif

Posted by: The Nine 2.Apr.2011, 03:34 PM

QUOTE (Craptastical @ 2.Apr.2011, 03:26 PM) *
Trow: Tantrum much?

Is this whole thing part of an annual cycle? It seems that at least once a year Trow throws a huge fit, leaves, comes back, throws another hissy, disappears (I think last year Trow was traveling for a while or something in NY), and then comes back and the whole cycle starts anew.

Could Trow be experiencing an annual manopause cycle? This and so much more coming up on the 11 o'clock news.


Hey, Trow intends to sue.!! I suggest Joe G Hyde III is asked to appear for the defense of jamtjim. I reckon he wouldn't take any persuading to come and do it. Shall I ask him if he is up for it? What do you say Trow? Are you so sure of your facts that you want to face off (no pun intended) JGH III. You maintain your allegations are true, after all? It will be a chance for you to prove you are right.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 03:42 PM

Not rattled Trow, just multitasking with the footie! Anyway I have apologised to The Nine not so much that I made an incorrect allegation against him, but rather that I could have mistaken him for you... a far worse admission!

No, I made the reference to your bet with Jimmy with the alleged caveat simply as I lack the willpower to trace the origin of this allegation. I make no such admissions in my claims that you are both a liar and a hypocrite!

Tell you what, if in the unlikely event that I loose this silly and highly unlikely litigious lunacy, I shall ask the court that I pay the first 10,000:- to Jimmy in order to settle your gentleman's agreement! Fair enough??

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 03:52 PM

Sure, The Nine, ask Joe Glenn Hyde, III to come to jamtjim's defense, and make sure that he brings his father, apparently Horace Smith, along. I'm sure that there of plenty of posters on the Simkin site, as I recall, who are fairly persuaded that the downing of the U-2 was part of the Dallas plot, and that Joe Glenn, Jr., somehow survived the crash.

Seriously doubt we shall be seeing them at jamtjim's trial, but we can always hope they do appear.

P. s. Rattled jamtjim, you can give begging, poor Jimmy any amount you want when you lose, but it will not be for any bet with me as Jimmy has only ever called for 1,000 SEK.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 03:54 PM

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Sure, The Nine, ask Joe Glenn Hyde, III to come to jamtjim's defense, and make sure that he brings his father, apparently Horace Smith, along.


Hey, my dad's called Nigel!


QUOTE
Seriously doubt we shall be seeing them at jamtjim's trial, but we can always hope they do appear.


I seriously doubt we shall be seeing Jamtjim's trial!!

Posted by: The Nine 2.Apr.2011, 03:58 PM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 2.Apr.2011, 03:54 PM) *
Hey, my dad's called Nigel!

I seriously doubt we shall be seeing Jamtjim's trial!!

Jamtjim, I've PM'd you. I realized the mistake when I read it. wink.gif

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 03:59 PM

QUOTE
P. s. Rattled jamtjim, you can give begging, poor Jimmy any amount you want when you lose, but it will not be for any bet with as Jimmy has only ever called for 1,000 SEK.


Ok Liar Trow, but 1000:- and you have admitted to having lost the bet right?

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 04:02 PM

Never have admitted any bet with Jimmy - just another example of your making up lies about me to justify your general claim that I am a liar.

Signing off now, but this dispute will hopefully be continued soon in court.

Bye.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 04:05 PM

So you are stupid then!:

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Ok Liar Trow, but 1000:- and you have admitted to having lost the bet right?


So,I offered 1000:- and that you admitted the bet with Jimmy, not that you already had! Trowie dear, please try to read and understand like a grown up before you accuse me of something that would be potentially libellous...

Note: Dear readers, please understand that I don't mean to patronise you, but rather find that it is better to understand Trowbridge as a child and treat him accordingly. I mean no connotation towards the general readership!

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 04:29 PM

I'm back as I just figured out jamtjim's gobbledyguck about the 1,000 crowns.

In the insulting post to The Nine - what jamtjim thought was from me - he offered to pay Jimmy 10,000 SEK if he lost my case against him. This was the post that jamtjim then erased, and with it gone, he could claim the bit about only 1,000 being involved.

Just shows that jamtjim engages in lying to prove, among other libels, that I am a liar.

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 04:41 PM

Ok, let me clarify:

In my now erased (because it was incorrectly addressed) post, I offered in the unlikely event that I loose any legal case against the liar Trowbridge H Ford (not that this is in any way likely), that I should settle the debts that he incurred here on this forum in relation to a bet made with Jimmy before I pay the liar Trow any compensation. To me it matters not the value of this bet be it 1000:- or 10,000:- as originally claimed, but rather that the first creditor should be those who are owed money by the afore mentioned liar. I did originally state the higher figure as this is what Jimmy has claimed.

I admitted to making a mistake in addressing my mail to The Nine when it should have been to Trollbridge and have apologised as to which I am sure The Nine will testify. As a result, I made a statement which I now withdraw against The Nine, the allegations against THF remain unchanged. I am not a liar, and I have admitted my mistakes... can you do the same Trowie? Guess not!

Posted by: duogrn 2.Apr.2011, 05:32 PM

--- April ---

Annually, annually,
Cheery trees blossom;
Trollbridge bluffs:
dis-or-re-appear,
suing or soothing,
it's a tie between Nessie and Trowie

Posted by: The Nine 2.Apr.2011, 05:41 PM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 2.Apr.2011, 04:41 PM) *
Ok, let me clarify:

In my now erased (because it was incorrectly addressed) post, I offered in the unlikely event that I loose any legal case against the liar Trowbridge H Ford (not that this is in any way likely), that I should settle the debts that he incurred here on this forum in relation to a bet made with Jimmy before I pay the liar Trow any compensation. To me it matters not the value of this bet be it 1000:- or 10,000:- as originally claimed, but rather that the first creditor should be those who are owed money by the afore mentioned liar. I did originally state the higher figure as this is what Jimmy has claimed.

I admitted to making a mistake in addressing my mail to The Nine when it should have been to Trollbridge and have apologised as to which I am sure The Nine will testify. As a result, I made a statement which I now withdraw against The Nine, the allegations against THF remain unchanged. I am not a liar, and I have admitted my mistakes... can you do the same Trowie? Guess not!



He will make merry with your mistake. I have enough common sense to have spotted the faux pas. Muppet boy will just use it as a stick to beat you with. He does that to try and deflect from the point. I just emailed JG Hyde III to ask him to look at the the current thread.
As Trow recently pointed out, JGH3 could not sue him over his allegations as too much time has passed under law. However, he ain't a happy bunny with THF so I have no doubt he will make the trip, or submit testimony, in order to confront THF. Let me get this correct. THF is proposing to sue JJ for deformation. (accusing him of lying) That means the defense counsel only has to prove THF tells lies. (?)

In my opinion ( thinking legal here), Joe Hyde would LOVE the opportunity to debunk THF.

Posted by: Jimmy 2.Apr.2011, 07:59 PM

Trow

Pay up the 1000kr. You now have admitted very clearly to making the bet and losing it.

PS
No one has has ever offered to pay MY legal fees. you numbnut cool.gif
I would put the 1000kr to drinks after the court case, and might even put in another 1000kr of my own.

Go on Trow take him to court I dare you!!!!! You won't. And I will bet 5000kr that you will not take Jamtjim to court.

Posted by: Guest 2.Apr.2011, 08:24 PM

You are on, Jimmy. Thanks for helping underwrite my suit against jamtjim. Just tell me who you are in a PM, and where I can collect the money, as I am already in the process of instituting a libel action against jamtjim.

And The Nine, just bring Joe Glenn Hyde, III and his father, Joe Glenn Jr., aka Horace Smith, on, as it will just show what a deep bunch of spooks you guys really are, going all the way back to the JFK assassination. How about ten-to-one odds, Jimmy,about their showing up?

This means that you get 5,000 SEK if I don't start a case, and 50,000 SEK since the Hydes, consequently, are unable to show up for it? And 5,000 SEK if I institute a case against jamtjim et al.,.including possibly you, and 50,000 SEK if the Hydes still don't show up, as a matter of choice?

Make the necessary commitments about it all on this site, and an PM to me about who you are, and where you can be located.

If not, the whole deal, as before, is NOT ON.

'Still wonder if jamtjim is Nigel Griffiths aka Holecutter or one of his offspring.'

Posted by: Jamtjim 2.Apr.2011, 10:33 PM

QUOTE
You are on, Jimmy. Thanks for helping underwrite my suit against jamtjim. Just tell me who you are in a PM, and where I can collect the money, as I am already in the process of instituting a libel action against jamtjim.

Wow, Trowie, you sound like some kind of sexual stalker; I need to know your address so that I can come around and flash my goolies at you!

Lets be clear about this. First you have to go to court in order to obtain my email address. Then you have to get a court order in order to get my personal information from my email (hotmail?) address. Then you have to prove without reasonable doubt that I am the person making the statements that you are a liar and a fraud. Then in Swedish court, you must formulate the claim that my statements are not only untrue (which they are not) but that you are due damages as a result of them. As nobody believed you in the fist place, and that you had no credibility to start with, I would assess these damages as precisely nil, but will let nature take it's course and see how much you actually obtain from me!!!

Trow, you are a proven liar, a proven fraud! Maybe it should be me who takes you to court for crimes against sanity. But then again I am in favour of free speech, and against censorship and have indeed taken your side against these things. You on the other hand find it hard to justify your position and seek to strengthen it solely by the same legal means by which you allegedly obtained your doctorate!

Good luck Fraud!

@Jimmy

I think you can sleep soundly as Trollbridge Hypocrite Fraud has absolutely no chance of a successful prosecution as these things have a basis in reality, something THF lacks!

Posted by: duogrn 2.Apr.2011, 11:19 PM

virtual court ...
a Trowie leaps in
jury's thought

Posted by: huckleberry 3.Apr.2011, 04:15 AM

Trow - take the hint you stupid old paranoid delusional prick and FUCK OFF and stop wasting everyone's time already.

Posted by: Jimmy 3.Apr.2011, 05:50 AM

I hope Trow does take it to court. I would really love to see the arseholes in courts faces when Trow starts spewing forth his theories. Might nee d to get me some adult diapers, as I would hate to miss anything and would probably end up pissing myself laughing

Posted by: CTIDinÅrsta 3.Apr.2011, 07:49 AM

Should be an interesting court case!
Jämtjim and his acolytes are under the impression that they can get off by saying their claims are "true". Unfortunately, this is not the case in Swedish law (särbo who's a lawyer!). The Swedish law of förtal doesn't take account of this at all, it focusses on the intent of the perp. towards the victim. If the intent is shown to be to incite "derision" towards the victim then the case is proved.

Posted by: Jamtjim 3.Apr.2011, 08:27 AM

Well I guess we'll see then. I have never made any unjustifiable claim regarding Trowie and have never set out to do anything other than to discuss the vacuous nature of his silly claims; this is a discussion forum after all and Trow chooses to take part in the discussion . My intent has been to discuss his claims and why we should be careful as to believing their veracity. As far as I can see, I have done nothing wrong either morally or legally and have only labelled him a liar only after he lied about my stance on his claims. I am not only saying that my claim that Trow is a liar is true, but can prove it beyond doubt, the evidence is here on this forum! In this way, if anyone has been "wronged" it has been me and my intent with relation to this has been to indicate it. If Trow is subject to any derision then it is solely due to his own actions and me indicating his lies only add to the mounting discredit which he has already garnered!

Look I guess we'll let nature take it's course. I would be extremely surprised if anything ever comes from this and suspect it is simply Trowie attempting to use bullying tactics to prevent negative comment on his crackpot theories. Even if it did go further, I would expect anyone making a defamation judgement would not rule against somebody applying the term "liar" to someone who has lied about them with the intent only to indicate the lie. As far as I can see, I have no case to answer whereas Trow has in fact lied about me!

Anyway, the first step would for Trow to obtain my email address from the owners of this website and I'm pretty sure he would need a court order to do this for which he would need grounds. If my understanding is correct, then TL would have to inform me of this, so I will know if anything is happening and will gladly inform the readers of the forum if this is the case.

Like I said, I won't hold my breath though and even if Trow is misguided enough to be serious about this, then I expect he will fail at the first hurdle!

Posted by: Guest 3.Apr.2011, 09:12 AM

[quote name='Jamtjim' post='634014' date='2.Apr.2011, 12:17 PM']Once again you show us your misunderstanding of the English language. To rant is defined as "speak or shout (or write I guess -JJ) at length in an angry, impassioned way". Now I hardly think that changing a few thread titles indicates me to be angry or impassioned nor does it happen at length as it is only a short title therefore it is not a rant.

Neither is it libel (or even libet) as in order to be libellous a statement has to be untrue. As the proof of your dishonesty lies in this very thread as well as others on this forum, my statement is not untrue, therefore it is not libel.

Case closed.

Why would I post under my real name, when it is not even guaranteed (or even likely?) that you post under yours! As for you posting emails that you allege to have received, well as I said before with the email supposedly your sister and the posting of your CV, how can we be satisfied that they are indeed genuine when so much else of what you say is palpably dishonest or otherwise incorrect?

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Thanks CTIDinArst for clarifying Swedish law, it seems, when talking about what constitutes libel - i. e., the intent of the alleged perpetrator to simply defame the person in question. It has helped encourage me to go further.

I have no doubt that I can establish this with how jamtjim has treated my CV - implying that it is simply false when he claims that evidence is mounting about its being so, though none is stated or exists - and e-mails I received from my sister about my being blacklisted by ComCast, and Mick Fealty about being temporarily blacklisted - and it still may be just this as he has not indicated that he made it permanent - for continuing to talk about the British special forces personnel who infiltrated Palme's bodyguards and assassinated him are dismissed as "papably dishonest or otherwise incorrect" - what is the subject of this thread

Jamtjim is simply willing to say that I am a liar, fraudster, troll, imposter, hypocrite and pervert no matter what I do or say to try to correct him, and I shall do everyting I can to prove it in court, especially having people like my sister, Fealty, professional historians and political scientists I know and have worked with, etc. in the courtroom to help prove his utter maliciousness.

Take it that you, Jimmy, and others are no longer interested in the 5,000 SEK in a bet about whether or not I seek a court case. Hardly surprising, given your site record.

Posted by: Jimmy 3.Apr.2011, 09:37 AM

I am still on for the bet. No problems.

Because when you fail in the court ( and you will ) Imagine having to prove there is an earthquake laser satellite rolleyes.gif and the rest of your theories.

Then as I or others have had to go to court because of your accusations, then I or others can sue you for ALL legal costs and damages that you have caused us by your actions. And they will be a bit more than 5000kr

SO BRING IT ON

Posted by: Jamtjim 3.Apr.2011, 09:57 AM

Sigh...

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I have no doubt that I can establish this with how jamtjim has treated my CV - implying that it is simply false when he claims that evidence is mounting about its being so, though none is stated or exists - and e-mails I received from my sister about being blacklist by ComCast, and Mick Fealty about being temporarily blacklisted - and it still may be just this as he has not indicated that he made it permanent - for continuing to talk about the British special forces personnel who infiltrated Palme's bodyguards and assassinated him are dismissed as "papably dishonest or otherwise incorrect" . what is the subject of this thread

Ok little Trowie, shall we take a look at what I actually wrote:

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Why would I post under my real name, when it is not even guaranteed (or even likely?) that you post under yours! As for you posting emails that you allege to have received, well as I said before with the email supposedly your sister and the posting of your CV, how can we be satisfied that they are indeed genuine when so much else of what you say is palpably dishonest or otherwise incorrect?

Right, now assuming that you have basic skills of comprehension, you will see that I have never made the assertion that the presented documents are positively not genuine, but rather that given the nature of both the documents in question as well as the nature of their provider that their veracity should not remain unquestioned. More simply, I am not saying that the documents are definitely false, but rather that we cannot be completely sure that they are genuine.

Nor did I say that your theory regarding Palme's assassination was definitely false but rather if you read what I actually wrote as opposed to what you would like to think I wrote, I asked the question when referring to the above documents, "how can we be satisfied that they are indeed genuine when so much else of what you say is palpably dishonest or otherwise incorrect?"

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Jamtjim is simply willing to say that I am a liar, fraudster, troll, imposter, hypocrite and pervert no matter what I do or say to try to correct him, and I shall do everyting I can to prove it in court, especially having people like my sister, Fealty, professional historians and political scientists I know and have worked with, etc. in the courtroom to help prove his utter maliciousness.

Ok, well in post number 129 on this thread you lied about me, therefore you are a liar. In your last post as well as others you deliberately misrepresent my statements in a fraudulent manner. Thus you are a fraud. As for the allegation of troll, well you do often make posts of an offensive and inflammatory nature, so I think that holds too. The hypocrite allegation holds as well as you expect to be able to make any allegation you wish whilst seeking to deny the same freedom to others. I have never accused you of being a pervert; that is another lie.

Also, I fail to see how having your sister et al in a court room would help your case in the slightest. I know that this is a hard concept for you to grasp as the wheel's still turning yet the hamster's dead, but as I stated above, I do not and have not alleged that the above documents are positively fake, but rather that you word alone is not sufficient to be certain of their authenticity. They may possibly turn out to be genuine, but at this point we only have your word for that and as such their veracity is reasonably open to question.

Trow, it may help you if you take the time to read and understand what I have actually written and respond to that rather than attack a straw man representation of what you would like me to have said. If you do this you will take a few step towards avoids appearing to be such a serious wally. Your mis-comprehension is either down to laziness in not reading my posts or else it is a deliberate attempt to fraudulently misrepresent my position. On thing is for certain, in the unlikely event that you follow through on your petty threat, any judgement on me will be made on what I have actually written rather than your childish misunderstanding of it!

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Take it that you, Jimmy, and others are no longer interested in the 5,000 SEK in a bet about whether or not I seek a court case. Hardly surprising, given your site record

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I guess that you seeking a court case would be difficult to prove unless a case become actual. It is more likely any meeting with a lawyer will result in your disappointment and the case will not get off the ground thus leaving anyone making the bet totally reliant on your dubious word. How about you instead make a bet on the successful prosecution of a court case against me? That said one should be wary about entering into such an agreement due to the allegation of being a bit of a welcher...

Posted by: Guest 3.Apr.2011, 10:09 AM

Still, as expected, no required PM from you Jimmy - stating who you are, where you live, and how you can be reached - what I now would have to establish the truth of before I agreed to it.

Looks like you usual effort to have your cake and eat it too - whatever happens. If I somehow choose not to go forward with a libel action, you will claim you won, and engage in your usual efforts to still get the money. And if you lose, what seems almost assured, you will be nowhere to be seen.

As for the trial, I don't expect to call many witnesses. I just plan to use all kinds of evidence - e .g, birth certificate, CV, endorsements by known academics, e-mails by knowledgeable persons, etc. - to establish that I am not a fraud, imposter, liar, etc. in the expectation of showing that jamtjim et al. are just out to bring me into derision.

And I am not responding to any of your claims, jamtjim, as they might just help you get away with your endless malicious attacks. I shall leave the matter to the law.

Posted by: Jimmy 3.Apr.2011, 10:18 AM

TL will have all my details. Ask them for them. Also the courts will be able to get my details for the case. So again, ask them for them.

You want the court case you do the leg work. If you are so serious GO FOR IT

Posted by: Jimmy 3.Apr.2011, 10:19 AM

So Trow after clearly stating that you will go to court, you now are saying " If I choose not to go "

a little bit of a back track

Posted by: Guest 3.Apr.2011, 10:28 AM

You are the one who is backtracking, Jimmy, expecting me to find your essential details for a bet as if you are an unknown party, like jamtjim, in a court action rather than an acknowledged person who is serious about the wager.

And I just left open the possibility that I might not go to court in the hope of your agreeing to the bet I am most likely to win.

Posted by: Jamtjim 3.Apr.2011, 10:34 AM

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As for the trial, I don't expect to call many witnesses. I just plan to use all kinds of evidence - e .g, birth certificate, CV, endorsements by known academics, e-mails by knowledgeable persons, etc. - to establish that I am not a fraud, imposter, liar, etc. in the expectation of showing that jamtjim et al. are just out to bring me into derision.

Oi Thicky! I have never claimed that you are definitely not who you claim to be, but rather have questioned whether this might not be the case based on the reliability or lack thereof of the evidence you have provided. Maybe you are who you say you are, but we can in no way be sure this is the case.

My allegations of fraud, liar hypocrite are not based on this but rather on other posts you have made in this thread and which I detailed in my previous post. You are all of these based on your statements not your identity and I have never claimed otherwise.

Ok Trowie, if you are going to go to court in order to disprove statements I never made, then be my guest; you will only be wasting your own time. I feel under no threat of this whatsoever the only unknown is whether you are legally able to present a case against me for defamation despite nothing I have said being untrue but instead that I have attempted to "deride" you. I guess this is open to interpretation but nonetheless, I would be amazed if it turns out to be illegal to call a liar a liar!

Tell you what, I will enter into a little agreement with you. Shall we say, if you successfully prosecute me then I will leave this forum forever. If you do not or fail to start proceedings within let's say within a period of six months, then instead you will leave never to return? Deal? Shake on it?

Posted by: Jimmy 3.Apr.2011, 10:45 AM

Dipstick

you still haven't paid your last bet

Posted by: Rick Methven 3.Apr.2011, 01:08 PM

Jimmy,

Rare picture of the real THF



I bet you 1,000kr that THF will never pay the bet he lost

Posted by: Jimmy 3.Apr.2011, 01:58 PM

Rick ummmmmmmmm not sure that bet is a good one. Think you will have to offer me odds

Posted by: Guest 3.Apr.2011, 05:01 PM

This thread is still about the Palme assassination - what jamtjim and his coterie have hoped to highjack by just issuing endless libels about me, and what I plan to expose in a court case.

What is most relevant to the Stockholm assasination now is the lengths that the inquests have gone to cover up why Derrick Bird went on the rampage. Instead of even mentioning the new inquest that Northern Ireland's new Attorney General John Larkin had ordered at the end of May 2010 into the planned killing of Francis Bradley ten days before the one here in Stockhom - what threatened to expose what Soldiers 'A' and Soldier 'C' in the original one had done, and had covered up at the original one in March 1987 - Bird's inquests were just told that he was a lonely, deeply depressed person who was threatening suicide because of something which threatened to send him to prison for six to eight years, an allusion to the practice killing of Bradley, and would likely open up questions about the statsminister's assassination.

The identities of who Soldier's 'A' and 'C' in the Bradley target-shooting can be pretty well determined by reading books like Father Murray's The SAS in Ireland, Mark Urban's Big Boys' Rules, Tony Geraghty's The Irish War, Captain Simon Hayward's Under Fire: My Own Story, Captain James Rennie's The Operators and others.

Murray had certainly raised the distinct probability that Hayward had led the killing of Bradley by citing his undercover activities both in the text, and in the notes during the time, though Murray thought that all such actions were carried out by the SAS when the 14 Intelligence Company, and the Close Observation Platoons, organizations that he did know existed, were also involved in them.

Urban brought them into the scene, but he tried to hide what Soldier's 'A' and 'C' had done in the Bradley trial run for the Stockholm shooting by making out that 'A' was an SAS NCO - what was generally done to hide the 14 Intelligence Company's role in it and other kills - and without even mentioning that Solider 'C' was the one who finished Bradley off.

Hayward talked enough about his set-up for durg-smuggling in Ibiza and here in Sweden, and other Brits, especially Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and MP John Gorst, wanting to see to his release but without success for one to know that he had been involved in its most secret killings. In addition, Hayward provided a photograph of himself for its cover which looked remarkably similar to The Phantom, the first suspect in the Stockholm shooting.

Then Hayward, given his new identity of Rennie, talked so much about his covert activities in the 14 Intelligence Company, and the problems that he had had in handling a weapon with his right-hand securely that no one could miss the connection.

Geraghty made it crystal clear by denying that Rennie was his real name, and posting a photograph of Hayward in battle gear and his the damaged fingers on his right hand showing on the back of the dustcover to his book - what almost led to him going to prison for having done so.

Little wonder that Bird realized that he was the only person still existing to be exposed, so he went on the rampage in Cumbria to cut short his problems, and take out his revenge on persons who made fun of them all.

Hope to work this out with my lawyer I hope to be talking to tomorrow about it all, and work it into my suit against jamtjim and any others who want to add to his derision of me.

Posted by: Jimmy 3.Apr.2011, 05:04 PM

You should be in stand comedy.

What is your (this supposed) lawyers name and details

Posted by: Jamtjim 3.Apr.2011, 05:12 PM

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Hope to work this out with my lawyer I hope to be talking to tomorrow about it all, and work it into my suit against jamtjim and any others who want to add to his derision of me.

Haha, I would love to be a fly on the wall at that meeting if for nothing other than to see the look on the lawyer's face!

Anyway Trow, I have an idea which would completely resolve the situation. You provide me with a quote made by me which you think is libellous, defamatory or otherwise untrue and indicate the tread and post number where I made the statement. It would also help if you could explain why you find my statement actionable.

In return I will review my post, and if it turns out indeed to be libellous, defamatory untrue etc. towards you, I will withdraw my statement and make a full and public apology.

Can't say fairer than that now can I?

Posted by: Johno 3.Apr.2011, 05:14 PM

I think you have him worried now, Trow !

Posted by: Jamtjim 3.Apr.2011, 05:17 PM

Not at all Johno, I don't believe for a minute that I have a case to answer, but in the unlikely event that I do, I feel it only right to offer to put the situation right and apologise for my mistake. It's just me trying to deal with Trowie in an adult way and I hope he will try to do the same! Now Trow has the opportunity to explain exactly where he feels he has been wronged and I have the possibility to correct any false allegation I may have made and thus in the highly unlikely event that this silliness ends up in court, I can show that I have tried to rectify the situation.

Posted by: Craptastical 3.Apr.2011, 05:21 PM

QUOTE (Jamtjim @ 3.Apr.2011, 05:17 PM) *
It's just me trying to deal with Trowie in an adult way and I hope he will try to do the same!

Good luck with that, I've tried with him the past and unfortunately he holds a grudge over everything.

Posted by: Jamtjim 3.Apr.2011, 05:29 PM

Well he has his chance to get my apology if indeed I have made any false accusations at his expense. He should take me up on my offer as he stands a far better chance of me volunteering and apology than gaining anything legally as I still feel certain that I have no case to answer.

However I don't suppose that he will, as then he would have to find libellous statements which I haven't made. Rather he hopes thay by employing bullying tactics and threats, that I will cease to oppose him and his crackpot theories. It is rather amusing that the person who makes the most number of unfounded and unsubstantiated claims against a wide array of people seeks to sue me for libel! Maybe I should sue him for accusing me of being dipstick as I am most certainly not a thin metal gauge used to measure oil levels in a car engine!

Posted by: Model T Ford 18.Feb.2015, 03:11 PM

Now Western intelligence is documenting Vladimir Putin as nothing more than a KGB desk officer in Dresden who was only interested in drinking, and groping women when he stopped the West's planned non-nuclear conclusion to the Cold War which was to be triggered at Olof Palme's expense.

Putin's spies, the Agency's Rick Ames, the Bureau's Robert Hanssen, the Mossad's Jonathan Pollard and the John Walker gang, informed him of what was planned, and he adopted the necessary counter measures to prevent it from getting out of hand.

Without them, we would all have ended up as nuclear ash.

Our spies simply don't care what happens to the public while they play their war games.

Posted by: Model T Ford 2.Oct.2015, 10:58 PM

So why did The Sunday Times in July 1986 start a fight between Margaret Thatcher and Queen Elizabeth by claiming that she thought that the Prime Minister was uncaring, confrontational and socially divisive in her conduct of foreign affairs, thanks to what her advisers were leaking to Andrew Neil's newspaper.

Certainly seems that the Queen was complaining about the Anglo-American covert war to bring down the Soviet Union at the expense of Sweden's Prime Minister Olof Palme,and help cover it up at Libyan leader Qaddafi's.

It was only because of such recklessness by Thatcher that the Queen felt obliged to take such unprecedented action.

Posted by: Model T Ford 10.Oct.2015, 01:59 PM

Now Lord Geoffrey Howe, one-time Foreign Secretary, has died.

He started the downfall of Thatcher's government by allowing Captain Simon Hayward's autobiography, Under Fire: My Own Story, to be published.


It was far too candid about the operation of the UK's covert government, especially Hayward's set up in Sweden for drug running in order to stop the IRA's gun-rnning from Gadaffi's Libya, so she fired Howe, causing Secretary of Defence George Younger to join him in protest.

Younger had to stop the planned invasion aka NATO's Anchor Express Exercise of the USSR's Kola Peninsula in the wake of Olof Palme's assassination because of the troubles the attacking force was having, getting across northern Norway.

Younger declined to arrange the re-election of Thatcher as Conservative Party leader a few years later, and Howe pulled the plug on her premiership by complaining bitterly about her failure to support Cabinet colleagues.

Posted by: Model T Ford 21.Oct.2015, 04:24 PM

Looks like Palme's assassination could get back in the news if Northern Ireland's Attorney General John Larkin goes ahead with prosecuting Freddie Scappaticci aka 'Stakeknife' for the murder of taxi driver Francisco Notorantonio on October 9. 1987.

Captain Simon Hayward was apparently behind the murder when he had been set up for drug-running in Sweden by the more important 'Steaknife' aka DOOK, and had asked John McMichael of the Ulster Fighting Force (UFF) to kill him. but he was diverted by Brian Nelson, an informant in Britain's covert Force Research Unit, to kill Notorantonio instead.

In short, the question of who really killed Notorantonio could ultimately raise the still unanswered one of who killed Palme!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Oct.2015, 05:53 PM

How do you know this???

Posted by: Model T Ford 21.Oct.2015, 06:23 PM

By reading all kinds of thing, like Simon Hayward's Under Fire: My Own Story, Father Murray's The SAS in Ireland, Tony Geraghty, The Irish War, Mark Urban, UK Eyes Alpha, Peter Taylor, Brits: The War against the IRA, Ola Tunander. Cold Water Politics: The Maritime Strategy and the Geopolitics of the Northern Front, his manuscript about the West's war against Sweden, David Wise, Nightmover,Mark Urban, Big Boys Rules, Ed Moloney, A Secret History of the IRA, Alan Clark's Diaries, Gregory L. Vistica, Fall From Glory: The Men Who Sank the U. S. Navy, Peter Dale Scott and Jonathan Msrshall Cocaine Politics: Drugs, Armies, and the CiA in Central America, and Lawrence E. Walsh, Firewall: The Iran-Contra Conspiracy and Cover-Up,

Then there are all kinds of bits that I found in the daily media.

It's most informative: you should try it sometime.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Oct.2015, 06:27 PM

I'd rather read science fiction...

Posted by: Model T Ford 21.Oct.2015, 06:39 PM

Hope you start soon, as it would improve your mental skills. laugh.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Oct.2015, 07:06 PM

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Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Oct.2015, 07:40 PM

Hey MTF!

How come you didn't mention this guy???

He must have been in on some of your shenanigans!!!

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/10/16/3713099/fox-news-wayne-simmons/

Posted by: norling 21.Oct.2015, 08:22 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 21.Oct.2015, 06:40 PM) *
Hey MTF!

How come you didn't mention this guy???

He must have been in on some of your shenanigans!!!

http://thinkprogress.org/world/2015/10/16/3713099/fox-news-wayne-simmons/
That guy reminds me of people that used to post here a few years ago. Seemed like most alluded to be connected to US British and Israeli intelligence. Seemed like they were homing in on Trowbridge (code name "pinto") Ford.

Posted by: Model T Ford 22.Oct.2015, 01:13 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 21.Oct.2015, 06:40 PM) *
Hey MTF!

How come you didn't mention this guy???

He must have been in on some of your shenanigans!!!


I did mention this guy on another thread, and you just connected him to a fellow with the same name who played football for the Green Bay Packers.

You cannot even keep up with your trolling. laugh.gif

Posted by: Model T Ford 13.Nov.2015, 10:30 PM

Good to see that Jonathan Pollard, the Israeli spy, is to be released next Friday after 30 years in a federal prison.

Still the feds are not going to let him go to Israel for fear that the will explain why he really decided to help Israel and the USSR when the showdown with Moscow was shaping up.

Too bad the Iran-Contra people like Rumsfeld, Cheney, Pappy Bush, Oliver North, etc., did spend even longer time in the cooler as they risked all of our lives, not just Palme's and a few dozen others, in their planned non-nuclear conclusion to the Cold War.

Pollard is the subject of an upcoming, domestic film, but I doubt it with show anything like what was afoot.

Will probably portray Pollard as a little, traditional spy, like Colonel Rudolf Abel in the Bridge of Spies, who was just in it for the money. biggrin.gif

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