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Gun laws around the world

Discuss opinions on various aspects of gun laws

Saywhatwhat
post 6.Sep.2019, 08:08 AM
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Just creating this thread to give a discussion from another thread it’s own space... a lot said already but in attempt to bring it to its own I’ll start here...


The USA needs heavy gun law reform in order to make an impact on the crisis of mass shootings that occur in that country nearly every day.

It is truly heartbreaking that rather than focusing on how to fix this, people would rather stick to their guns even stronger...literally.
This type of mass violence should not be a partisan issue. We should all want gun control and safety for ourselves, our children and our neighbors.

The right wing conservatives seem to think that the solution to gun violence is more guns!

Why can’t gun ownership be limited to hunters and sport shooters... who can clearly prove that they are such
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Bsmith
post 6.Sep.2019, 01:05 PM
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Interesting that you want to ban guns because of the actions of a few and yet say that we shouldn't judge Islam because of the actions of a few.
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cootje1976
post 6.Sep.2019, 01:29 PM
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Guns in the Netherlands are strictly regulated, even though there are every once in a while shootings, but this is gang related. And those cretons get their guns from anywhere…
That being said, even though I hate guns, and I can’t understand why someone in the name of God needs an AK47 at home or an automatic pistol is beyond me. Since I have lived a couple of years in the US I do know how it can get if you ask people if they can put the gun away since there are children in the area, the Holy “second amendment” comes into play.

Most gunlovers in the US use that one, and it is their right to do so. Not that it cannot change though; the “second amendment” is an amendment based on the fact that there were a lot of things that they had to change in the course of time like slavery…. SO change is possible, but it will take time.

Most important is that it is not something that I being a Non-American should be concerned with. For one it is their country and their business. If they need more examples of why strict gun-laws are needed and work, they do not have to look too far. It is sad that the shootings are happening, but it is first and foremost their country. I usually reflect to it to the fact that in my home country we also have bigger fish to fry (every country has their issues!). Also the news about shootings and wars are for me now at such a level that it is becoming “white noise”.

That being said, I do feel for the people that are innocent bystanders and get caught in the fray of these events. I can’t even imagine what it is like to lose a loved one in a shooting, but it must be painful every time it happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_schoo...e_United_States

Meanwhile let us show them how we run shit without needing guns!
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Saywhatwhat
post 6.Sep.2019, 02:36 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 6.Sep.2019, 02:05 PM) *
Interesting that you want to ban guns because of the actions of a few and yet say that we shouldn't judge Islam because of the actions of a few.



Not saying outright ban, nor have I been... I am saying massive gun law reform.

In an ideal world no one would have guns. No cops no military. Hunters could use bow and arrow... as many like to do.

But this isn’t an ideal world.

Our gun laws in the US could match many other countries who have hard regulations and strict laws regarding obtaining and owning guns.

Don’t see what is so hard about that or why there is resistance to that.
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Saywhatwhat
post 6.Sep.2019, 02:41 PM
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QUOTE (cootje1976 @ 6.Sep.2019, 02:29 PM) *
Guns in the Netherlands are strictly regulated, even though there are every once in a while shootings, but this is gang related. And those cretons get their guns from anywhere ... (show full quote)


“White noise” lol. You sly dog you.

I feel for the kids growing up and going to school where they prepare them for someone coming in to kill all of them.

Netherlands is a shining example of proper gun regulation.
You are right, gangsters and psychos will always find guns and cause trouble.... in America we make it very easy for them to get weapons that inflict rapid and mass damage—-guns.

*shrugs shoulders
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Bsmith
post 6.Sep.2019, 04:18 PM
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QUOTE (cootje1976 @ 6.Sep.2019, 01:29 PM) *
I can’t understand why someone in the name of God needs an AK47 at home or an automatic pistol is beyond me.



The reason why the second amendment is in the Constitution can be explained very easily when you take a look at what is going on in Hong Kong presently. Sooner or later the Chinese will clamp down hard on those people and there is isn't a damn thing that the citizens of HK will be able to do about it. Not with sticks and bricks.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 6.Sep.2019, 04:49 PM
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The real problem with gun laws in the United States lies with the Politicians they lie and do not enforce Federal Laws at a state level, they use guns as an election prop for their own gain...

If violations were turned over to Federal prosecution, instead of under local law you would see immediate improvement and conviction of bad guys would immensely improve...

Use the Federal laws "on the books" and gun violence will fade away!!!

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Saywhatwhat
post 6.Sep.2019, 06:25 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 6.Sep.2019, 05:49 PM) *
The real problem with gun laws in the United States lies with the Politicians they lie and do not enforce Federal Laws at a state level, they use guns as an election prop for ... (show full quote)


I totally agree politicians use guns as an election prop...

It’s insane that 36 states do not require a license or for guns to be registered.

Hence the need for the federal govt to step in and have some massive gun law reform, ey?

Which federal laws... if enforced... would drop gun violence drastically? It will never be gone for good... but it can be drastically reduced.

I would support a national gun registry and banning the sale of guns to the formerly incarcerated, people with a history of mental illness, those convicted or even charged with domestic abuse... can’t think of more right now... but those would be some small steps in a better direction.

Oh and there was a law that expired in 2004 which banned the high capacity magazines and semi autos that look like fully autos... don’t know why that has been removed. Good thing they got rid of bump sticks as bsmith mentioned. Had no clue what that was.

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skogsbo
post 6.Sep.2019, 07:02 PM
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Bump sticks, modified mags etc are all extremely easy to make yourself and no doubt there are umpteen YouTube videos to assist.

The problem is it's too late. There are way too many guns, too much ammo, too many preppers with massive hoards and because of a lack legislation the authorities have absolutely no idea where the guns are.

Look at how the police have to deal with people when they pull them over in a car, every person is treated like a mass shooter.

I just find it odd anyone wants to live in that kind of society.
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Bsmith
post 6.Sep.2019, 08:39 PM
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And I can't conceive of a society where a person cannot even carry pepper spray to defend themselves from possible rapists and thugs.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 6.Sep.2019, 09:52 PM
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Believe me the laws are there, but at the Federal level the politicians holler for federal involvement that is already there, they should instead tell their own State legislators (which is them!!!) to turn cases over to federal prosecutors but if they did that they would have no platform to run on...

It's a damn shame people listen to those whores!!!
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Saywhatwhat
post 6.Sep.2019, 10:07 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 6.Sep.2019, 09:39 PM) *
And I can't conceive of a society where a person cannot even carry pepper spray to defend themselves from possible rapists and thugs.


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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 6.Sep.2019, 10:52 PM) *
Believe me the laws are there, but at the Federal level the politicians holler for federal involvement that is already there, they should instead tell their own State legislat ... (show full quote)


I agree it’s a damn shame.... however people power is most effective at the local level.

You are talking about prosecuting at a federal level.... regardless of state or federal jurisdiction.... you are still talking about AFTER the crime has been committed.

Preventative measures are needed. Gun law reform is needed even in your case where the feds need legislation for enforcement on a state level.
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Saywhatwhat
post 6.Sep.2019, 10:28 PM
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Shit Gamla.
I think I might agree with you...
at federal level prosecution a precedent can be set by which a law is formed....

Is this your thinking?
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skogsbo
post 7.Sep.2019, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 6.Sep.2019, 08:39 PM) *
And I can't conceive of a society where a person cannot even carry pepper spray to defend themselves from possible rapists and thugs.

I guess that's where we differ. If I lived in a country where I felt that need, I'd move.
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Saywhatwhat
post 7.Sep.2019, 07:49 AM
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QUOTE (skogsbo @ 7.Sep.2019, 07:32 AM) *
I guess that's where we differ. If I lived in a country where I felt that need, I'd move.


What a way to face up to the problems affecting your community.
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