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Liberals say Sweden must join NATO

But public surveys show only 25% support

The Local
post 13.May.2009, 01:34 PM
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The Swedish Liberal Party has demanded that Sweden become a full member of NATO and argues that an open debate over the issue is needed.

The Liberal Party is established as the strongest advocate of full NATO membership for Sweden.

Last week the party's foreign policy spokesperson Birgitta Ohlsson submitted a dissenting opinion to the parliamentary defence committee which presents the party's strongest position yet in favour of Sweden joining the transatlantic military alliance since the last general election in 2006.

"Sweden has been a member of Partnership for Peace for some time. We have taken part in several operations and would gain from the greater influence and security a full membership would give," Birgitta Ohlsson told The Local.

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Jan M
post 13.May.2009, 02:26 PM
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Does Swedish military 'non-alignment' or neutrality date back to the Second World War and earlier conflicts? Certainly that definition from the Second World War is slightly clouded by the recent discovery that the Swedish government of the time issued export credits to the Nazis and the more widely known fact that Nazi troops and supplies used Swedish territory to gain unrestricted access to Norway and neighbouring countries. I think a fairer description would be pragmatic self-interest rather than 'non-alignment'. However that doesn't hold true now because Sweden broadly faces the same security threats as Norway and Finland and there's no point in pretending that not being part of NATO is a better way of dealing with them.
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zaq
post 13.May.2009, 03:15 PM
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Jan M - thank you for make it clear !
Does NATO need Sweet Eden ? If so for what ?
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casinoed
post 13.May.2009, 03:28 PM
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If Stig-Björn Ljunggren's comments are correct then, to go a step further than the previous post, he is an example of the blind self-interest and cowardice that is all to often demonstrated by Swedes.
"We managed quite well staying out of the two World Wars..." he says. The seventy million souls, most of them civilian, who perished in that dark period of history might well take issue with the idea that pandering to the Nazi's was an achievement to be proud of.
The issue should not be about asking how many Swedes want to join NATO, rather it should be about how many members of the alliance want the gutless Swedes around to simply run up the white flag at the first sign of trouble.
Sweden was a kind of superpower in Europe 300 years ago - in your dreams sunshine!
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tigger007
post 13.May.2009, 04:39 PM
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i don't want a gutless country next to me in a world war!
how can u let someone walk right thru your backyard and don't say anything! that's why sweden doesn't get the respect that it desevers . yes nato is run by the usa,uk,france(the power players)but for good reason! today if a country wanted to invade like the germans did in world war 2,they would have to have atleast 10 million strong! sweden is down sizing it's military,so joining nato isn't such a bad idea. it thing it's about time sweden gets it's feet wet first before it joins nato!
PS. i know that i will get into the fire with this comment!! :)
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mkvgtired
post 13.May.2009, 05:30 PM
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They know that if they stay "neutral", if their borders are ever challenged NATO/US/UK will come to the rescue anyway.
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sebseb
post 13.May.2009, 05:47 PM
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Comment: Nato is now the world army used to fight terrorism. But the problem is that terrorism is a scam. We often read that 911 may have been an inside job, just like the 7/7 bombings in London.
UK and USA want to sell their soul for a dozen terrorists. That is quite weak.
Those 2 events got the concept of the Britishs and Americans to transform their society into an Orwellian one. I just hope that Sweden won't ever get into this trap. Olhsson says that only 25% are for NATO in Sweden, but that this is mainly because of the lefties who are against. I think that the 25% are just the apolitics people who don't get anything about anything. They are just followers and pushovers. Lets UK and the US live in their illusion and desillusion. That's their mess. People in Sweden fight for the real liberty and Freedom.
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Jamtjim
post 13.May.2009, 05:55 PM
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QUOTE
i don't want a gutless country next to me in a world war!


The french are already in nato so why not sweden too.

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They know that if they stay "neutral", if their borders are ever challenged NATO/US/UK will come to the rescue anyway.


You got that right... its always cheaper to let somebody else do it...
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onur25
post 13.May.2009, 05:59 PM
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While no doubt Swedish sympathies lied with the third Reich, it is very easy with hindsight to accuse them of cowardice. Before using such harsh words, we should take a moment to think how courageous we would be (wherever we are from) if we had the Nazi juggernaut breathing down or neck. I sometimes wonder if Britain and France would have backed Poland if they truly appreciated the power of blitzkrieg.
As for NATO, it is an organisation that exists not to fight. If push comes to shove, I think all NATO members would honor their pact but they would never let it come to that. So joining is a good idea strategically, but never at the expense of individual warfare capability.
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tigger007
post 13.May.2009, 06:11 PM
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People in Sweden fight for the real liberty and Freedom. SEBSEB!
hey right!!! how can u fight for freedon and liberty,if u DON'T stand for nothing!!
Lets UK and the US live in their illusion and desillusion. That's their mess. SEBSEB! if it wasn't for our MESS as u call it! your ass would be speaking german! let me ask u this! if there was another world war and the usa,uk,and france said f#%ck it! let the fight it out! then what? we would get harsh remarks about doing nothing,you can have it both ways
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Kaethar
post 13.May.2009, 07:06 PM
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Aha. I see this has turned into another Sweden-bashing thread.
I am proud Sweden is not a member of NATO. I am extremely happy that during the last elections the Liberal Party had a HUGE drop in votes.
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Bender B Rodriquez
post 13.May.2009, 07:06 PM
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QUOTE (tigger007 @ 13.May.2009, 07:11 PM) *
People in Sweden fight for the real liberty and Freedom. SEBSEB!hey right!!! how can u fight for freedon and liberty,if u DON'T stand for nothing!! ... (show full quote)


yo man, i see u haz gone to som greatz schools man cuz you use lot of difcult wordz.
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Stebro
post 13.May.2009, 07:13 PM
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No, we don't need Nato.
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peropaco
post 13.May.2009, 07:17 PM
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Swedes are like the Remora's
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Kaethar
post 13.May.2009, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (Stebro @ 13.May.2009, 08:13 PM) *
No, we don't need Nato.

Exactly. And I don't believe NATO needs us. So it's a win-win situation. =)

NATO is made up of a bunch of paranoid embittered people who see everyone different as a threat. But hey, I'd be worried to since we're seeing a backlash due to years of forceful spreading of agendas. NATO use fear tactics to get their way. You'll be attacked by Arab countries or Russia if you don't join us. Etc. How about we disagree. wink.gif

Go Sweden and Finland for keeping out of NATO! cool.gif Don't forget Finland used to be occupied by Russia... they're apparently seeing something NATO countries are not. wink.gif
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