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Islam the religion of peace and tolerance

threatens death to woman imam in Berlin

Bsmith
post 13.Jul.2017, 03:16 PM
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All religions attempt to bring more converts into the fold. Most do it by peaceful persuasion, but Islam has a history of conversion by the sword. Also, as Gjeebes mentions, clerics say one thing in public and another in private. They even have a name for it: taqiyya.

Again, I have met several nice Muslims and I try to not judge them based upon their beliefs as I feel that is a very personal decision. But I truly feel that Islam (in its current form) is not a good fit for the West. And I think current events support that.
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Gjeebes
post 13.Jul.2017, 03:33 PM
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That is after-all what this thread was about.

While the view that Islam is not inherently "evil" is a very generous one, it seems to gloss over the fact that the female imam does now require 24 h police protection, due to numerous threats of "death" from abroad.

It is hardly unicorns with rainbow sprinkles.

The entire situation is pretty much self-explanatory, since the experiment that brought that on, was an initiation of "moderate Islam" in a Western country.

And excuses aside, it is what it is, even if there are rainbow renditions that attempt to "make happy" a very "sad" story.
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BhuBhuKaZoo
post 13.Jul.2017, 03:45 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 13.Jul.2017, 04:16 PM) *
All religions attempt to bring more converts into the fold. Most do it by peaceful persuasion, but Islam has a history of conversion by the sword. Also, as Gjeebes mentions, ... (show full quote)


And this, fundamentally needs to change. It shouldn't be about conversion. You don't need to be a clear follower of a religion to learn from the teachings. And I have heard this, again, this is an issue with Islam in the modern world - and I do agree with you in this part - introspective issues in a mosque and by the Islamic community isn't done enough - not in any religion. This is a major issue not just in Islam but in christianity too. Too often, people become defensive about people who may be doing things and teaching things which are wrong but people are too afraid to stand up agains them. This needs to change.

I do agree here. Islam in its current form needs to change to conform with Western Ideals. This is 100% true. And those that follow do need to achieve a level of moderate-ness. This will happen but...it will take time.


QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 13.Jul.2017, 04:33 PM) *
That is after-all what this thread was about.While the view that Islam is not inherently "evil" is a very generous one, it seems to gloss over the fact that the fema ... (show full quote)


I have to say, I do love your descriptions. So very vivid!

Yeah, there are some ridiculous people but there are people in India who think a women wearing a t-shirt is asking "for it". That is wrong and disgraceful. It's education and change. And some people are more afraid of it than others. Also stubborn.

Like I said, Islam is, I agree, not compatible right now with Western Ideals but that is because those that follow (majority worldwide) don't accept the way the western world has developed over the last 50-100 years.

Lets not gloss over that it was only 50-60 years ago in the U.K. and U.S. that coloured people couldn't vote and were segregated and that women weren't allowed to vote shortly before that. We in the western world have developed rapidly. Those that are still developing should be afforded the same time!
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 13.Jul.2017, 04:38 PM
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This is a pretty decent thread...for a change, verbal violence has not broken out...yet laugh.gif

However it's explained, it does not change today's situation...

Today's victims do not care that they and their loved ones have paid the price for a group that is still developing and will be better behaved in years to come...

That being said, why is it that no one mentions the fact that Islam has been attacking the west since it's inception???
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ameliaplant
post 14.Jul.2017, 01:58 AM
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Islam is true religion of peace.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 14.Jul.2017, 03:39 AM
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Please explain that statement...
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LLHope
post 14.Jul.2017, 04:06 PM
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QUOTE (BhuBhuKaZoo @ 13.Jul.2017, 09:03 AM) *
And in actual fact, although India gained it's independence, the Pakistan and India border that was drawn up was not without input from the British. You have to understand ... (show full quote)

I suggest you go back and read the actual historic record. Viceroy Mountbatten (and the British) position was for a United India, supported by Hindus (obviously as they would be the majority in a democratic India) and high profile support from Gandhi. It was the Muslims lead by Muhammad Ali Jinnah that pushed very hard for a divided country, so much so that by 1947 India was clearly descending into civil war mainly along religious lines (guess who encouraged it!). It was apparent then that there was little option but to divide the country into 2.

QUOTE (BhuBhuKaZoo @ 13.Jul.2017, 09:03 AM) *
This is a clear and correct interpretation of Islam. It can be convoluted by an evil and deranged mind just like anything (remember a few years ago video games were believed t ... (show full quote)

Without bothering to go into how the majority of those paragraphs you quote from the qu'ran are actually abrogated by the later more violent and oppressive ones. You still cannot just hang on a few chosen passages. Islam was described by it's creator as the perfect religion, the book cannot be changed, is made understandable, which means all contents carries equal weight ... You still have to accept then all the abhorrent things islam requires it's followers to do, especially to non-believers, and leavers!

QUOTE (BhuBhuKaZoo @ 13.Jul.2017, 09:03 AM) *
The book is not the reason the hatred spreads. It is the people who believe in not adapting to the modern world, in a fair and equal way that are the issue. And in that, Islam ... (show full quote)

Oh Dear! There is absolutely no choice in Islam. The qu'ran is clear and meant for all time, without change. There is absolutely no possibility to re-interpret/change it! Remember, the Christian reformations were NEVER about doctrine, but about the practices of the various Churches (e.g. selling confessions to get into heaven!). You cannot reform islam because to do so You need to change the Doctrine, which cannot be changed as their God says it is perfect. Change it and it is no longer Islam.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 14.Jul.2017, 04:35 PM
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An Indian woman once said to me "every time the Muslims complained, India got smaller"...
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Bsmith
post 14.Jul.2017, 05:40 PM
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QUOTE (ameliaplant @ 14.Jul.2017, 12:58 AM) *
Islam is true religion of peace.


If you keep telling the lie big enough and long enough, (gullible) people will start believing.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 14.Jul.2017, 09:56 PM
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Yeah, that's right, however it's worse than:

"Trust me, I'm from the Government" rolleyes.gif
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Gjeebes
post 18.Jul.2017, 05:38 AM
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"Islam is true religion of peace."

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/arr...-jews-1.4209384

Oh, look at "racist" Canada. How dare they do something against the "visiting imam" and his "hate speech" that promoted killing of an entire "non-Muslim" group.

For Sweden, where one can legally display the ISIS flag, Canada's actions will surely be considered as sexist too!

But its OK, this imam should simply just arrive in Sweden where he will be pitied, respected, protected, lavished with gifts and be free to "hate speak" all he likes.
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Svedallas
post 18.Jul.2017, 10:41 AM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 13.Jul.2017, 04:16 PM) *
All religions attempt to bring more converts into the fold. Most do it by peaceful persuasion, but Islam has a history of conversion by the sword. Also, as Gjeebes mentions, ... (show full quote)


Islam is NOT compatible with the western culture, and never will be.

This is in terms of democracy, equality with women, respect for women, marriage, food culture, values, and on a culture perspective...and many more.

When it comes to Sweden - Sweden and Islam, could not be more polar opposite!
- Majority of Swedes are atheists
- Swedes love their pork
- Swedes love their drink
- Swedes are open with their bodies - will you ever see a Muslim in a bastu?
- Muslim women have to be fully clothed and covered, and even restricted with Burkini's (Some reports state this could be the reason for the high rapes in Europe - as middle eastern countries are just not used to the openess in the European culture)
- Sweden has an equal society where men/women are both the bread winners. How many Muslim women are able to get a job with a burka/hijab?!
- Teen marriage is common in Islamic culture, with marriage as young as 13 - Swedes are happy with Sambo/Mambo
- Divorce is at 55% in Sweden - muslim culture frowns at Divorce, but accepts multiple wives...


This list can go on and on...Swedish culture Vs Muslim culture.
Complete opposite, on ALL levels.
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delta76
post 18.Jul.2017, 11:05 AM
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Agree. The way I see it, Islam has very little (if any) respects toward women. In their rules, they are only second class citizen, or even worse, "properties".
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Bsmith
post 18.Jul.2017, 11:10 AM
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And they don't like dogs!
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Svedallas
post 18.Jul.2017, 12:23 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 18.Jul.2017, 12:10 PM) *
And they don't like dogs!


That too!! blink.gif
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