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Posted by: intrepidfox 23.May.2017, 06:27 PM

Seriously it is time to close the borders and the mosques in Europe as this situation with terrorists is not going to get better. They follow mohammed and his teachings. He impregnated a 9 year old girl and these scums follow these teachings.

Nothing more to add about this sick religion

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.May.2017, 06:47 PM

Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hurt for hurt...

Posted by: intrepidfox 23.May.2017, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 23.May.2017, 05:47 PM) *
Eye for eye, tooth for tooth, hurt for hurt...


Maybe. If you look at all religion they all talk about love bla bla bla but in the end, religion in any form is evil

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.May.2017, 07:16 PM

When the West goes truly proactive, this will stop...

Until then it will become more routine...

All you need do now is change a few words in the news coverage and the politicians speeches and you have the same thing over and over...It's like deja vous, all over again!!!

It won't stop until they are stopped, somebody has to do something!!!

Posted by: Bsmith 23.May.2017, 07:23 PM

Islam has declared war on the west. Only the liberals don't know that.

Posted by: LLHope 24.May.2017, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 23.May.2017, 06:52 PM) *
religion in any form is evil

My God is bigger than your god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqqpq1JYclk
(Anti-Nowhere League)
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Posted by: intrepidfox 24.May.2017, 11:17 AM

QUOTE (LLHope @ 24.May.2017, 12:50 AM) *
My God is bigger than your god.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqqpq1JYclk
(Anti-Nowhere League)
rolleyes.gif


Have seen them play a few times. 2 songs i love are "So what" and "I hate people"

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.May.2017, 10:27 PM

Just wondering what would happen if all this violence was directed at the politicians (and their families) who make/made the world we live in???

Isn't it they, who caused this problem, because I know the youngsters who died, certainly did not...

I'll bet mass round-ups and deportations would be an every day occurrence...

Posted by: Model T Ford 28.May.2017, 08:36 PM

Why pick on the ignorant politicians.

The FBI warned Britain's MI5 that the Manchester killer was a threat to Britsh society back in January.

The counter terrorists worldwide create or allow more problems than they prevent.

Posted by: Bsmith 28.May.2017, 08:39 PM

So do the loony liberals.

Posted by: Mib 29.May.2017, 02:35 PM

If you followed most religions by the book, we would have a world of anarchy and a return to 2000+ years ago. Most religious followers pick and choose what fits in with their values ie. Irish catholics voted for gay marriage, which goes against the Bible. The same is for all religions including Islam.

ISIS is a death cult like the Nazis that has attached itself to Islam to attract followers to its aim. They have created this romantic notion of a caliphate and attract idiots who buy Islam for Dummies and criminals who have lives that have no meaning. ISIS didn't exist before the Iraq war, Syria and Libya civil war interventions. The biggest mistake was the USA and UK leaving a vacuum after the wars with no plan or proper support. This allowed ISIS to grab land and oil to fund their death cult. The same is happening in Libya, where again we intervened via air strikes to overthrow Gaddafi. Assad, Gaddafi and Saddam were necessary evils to contain the extremists. In fact, the Iraqis I have spoken to say life is far worse now than when Saddam was in power. So, these interventions has led to this explosion of terror in Europe and elsewhere. We had terrorism before, but not at this level from the likes of Al Qaeda. And before any idiot, says it doesn't justify terrorism...I KNOW THAT!! But, it did give ISIS the platform to spread their poison!

Flip the coin and we have political correctness and ultra sensitivity to any comment that could be viewed racist or bigoted etc. This has led to silence within communities and more importantly from the authorities. It's the same disease that allowed UK celebrities to sexually abuse young children without fear of prosecution. Today, it has meant hundreds of young girls being raped, predominantly in northern England by mainly Pakistani gangs who view white girls as dirt. A Father went to rescue his daughter and was arrested for assault, Social services who spoke out were accused of racism and/or sacked. Councillors cared more about votes than the victims. It's still going on, although now we are seeing gangs being found guilty and sent away. However, it seems that the average detention is 3 years for gang rape of underage girls. Sickening!

Didsbury mosque in Manchester has come out against the recent atrocity and repeated that these people do not represent their religion. However, reports have shown that certain preachers have spoken at that mosque which doesn't fit in with British values. A Question Time audience member also mentioned he was handed a leaflet outside that mosque, which again didn't promote integration. These issues need to be reported, investigated and outlawed. Yet, it continues unabated and then the authorities seem surprised when someone blows themselves up. Someone suggested that all Mosques, display, Not in our name. That's a good idea. The media also has to do more to give the moderates a voice, so that they can counter the narrative of the extremists, but also to be challenged on certain aspects of the Koran. But, again these moderates need to have the law enforced as the extremists threaten the very people they supposedly want to protect!!

The terrorist in Manchester was reported to the authorities several times from within the Muslim community, yet nothing was done. So, in this particular case, they did what was asked and I thank those who did that. With the reluctance of police and our authorities to deal with extremists who float between the lines of the law, it makes it harder for any Muslim to inform on another Muslim within their community. The extremists use intimidation and make it very dangerous for those who want to weed out this evil. Remember the lovely Scottish Muslim who wished, I think everyone a happy Easter and within a few hours, he was murdered by another Muslim who disliked those comments!!

The Government has the power to stop people returning to the UK from Syria etc, yet not one has been used. That is a failure of Government. There are 3000 people considered to be a real threat to the UK, living there and mixing with society. My solution...deport those with foreign passports and dual nationality, as long as there's strong enough evidence presented to a court. The others who are British, should be tagged. Again, it must be evidence based, otherwise, we create more radicals.

There are another 20,000+ who have sympathies to the ISIS crusade, but considered not an imminent threat. With a combination of the Prevent scheme and financial incentives for information with guaranteed anonymity, I think we can minimise those threats, but ultimately, the Government and local authorities with the police have to UP their game, otherwise it's a waste of time. However, removing police from the beat and reducing their numbers goes against what is needed. Public security has a higher priority than money, always. the LAW must be applied equally to ALL regardless of wealth, sex, religion etc! That has to be the principle of modern society!

Remember one thing, it wasn't so long ago that the Irish community were targeted because of the IRA. I know as my Mother is Irish. Don't fall into the trap of labelling everyone because of a minority of crazy people who were given that platform by our very actions in Iraq and Libya. Blame GW Bush and Tony Bliar who have 24 hour security. So, they're alright Jack, while we the public, suffer.

I leave you this comment form an Irish comedian, 'I say this to the Muslim community. Don't worry, in 20 years time everyone will love you and you'll have a Muslim pub in every town and City in the world.' You know what he means and I thought and hope that he's right.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.May.2017, 05:18 PM

The West will lose, Islam will prevail, simply because they
will "out baby" it...

The West hasn't the guts to treat Islam as the Israelis do...

Posted by: intrepidfox 29.May.2017, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (Mib @ 29.May.2017, 02:35 PM) *
ISIS is a death cult like the Nazis


A great post MIB but even though Hitler was a nutter never forget especially Stalin and Polpot

Posted by: LLHope 29.May.2017, 05:50 PM

QUOTE (Mib @ 29.May.2017, 02:35 PM) *
ie. Irish catholics voted for gay marriage, which goes against the Bible. The same is for all religions including Islam.

It is a dangerous mistake to compare Compare Christianity with Islam in such a naive manner, the same mistake that many politicians, media and even followers of islam hope you make. There is a BIG difference. A so-called moderate muslim is obviously not a follower of islam as they are not following the rules of their god, and those rules cannot be change ... so yes, it means going back 1600 years. The Bible to christians is not the same as the qu'ran for muslims!
QUOTE (Mib @ 29.May.2017, 02:35 PM) *
ISIS is a death cult like the Nazis that has attached itself to Islam to attract followers to its aim.

Attached itself to islam??? I guess you read mainstream media and watch SVT biggrin.gif
I suggest you check your history and see which side the muslims quickly aligned themselves to during WW2 ...and then check the history about which former SS officers were working as consultants training and advising various islamic groups and countries after WW2, into even the 70's/80's, ...including those nice Palestinian chaps with Yasar Arafat!
QUOTE (Mib @ 29.May.2017, 02:35 PM) *
They have created this romantic notion of a caliphate and attract idiots who buy Islam for Dummies and criminals who have lives that have no meaning.

Romantic notion gives the impression that it never existed but in a dream! ... There have been many Caliphate, heck, it was only after WW1 that the Ottoman Caliphate (Empire) was abolished, around 1924. It isn't a dream, it is supported in the teachings. Don't forget, ISIS is actually just a strict interpretation of Islam, not too detached from that practiced by Saudi Arabia (who happen to be the main investors of the moskes that produce the radicals here in Europe, Germany has asked them not to put up the money anymore, plus claims that they also indirectly fund ISIS). There are many indications that Isis has been supported by Saudi (and the Sunnis) in order to ensure that the oil in Iraq did not fall under the influence of the Shia's and support from Iran. (Ahhhh...the old Sunni - Shia battle that has been raging for 1600 years).

Posted by: Model T Ford 29.May.2017, 07:08 PM

It's just that the West is over in the Middle East, and killing their inhabitants wholesale.

Ever heard of cause and effect?

Posted by: intrepidfox 29.May.2017, 07:43 PM

QUOTE (Model T Ford @ 29.May.2017, 07:08 PM) *
It's just that the West is over in the Middle East, and killing their inhabitants wholesale.

Ever heard of cause and effect?


I agree with you

Posted by: Mib 29.May.2017, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (LLHope @ 29.May.2017, 06:50 PM) *
It is a dangerous mistake to compare Compare Christianity with Islam in such a naive manner, the same mistake that many politicians, media and even followers of islam hope you make. There is a BIG difference. A so-called moderate muslim is obviously not a follower of islam as they are not following the rules of their god, and those rules cannot be change ... so yes, it means going back 1600 years. The Bible to christians is not the same as the qu'ran for muslims!

Attached itself to islam??? I guess you read mainstream media and watch SVT biggrin.gif
I suggest you check your history and see which side the muslims quickly aligned themselves to during WW2 ...and then check the history about which former SS officers were working as consultants training and advising various islamic groups and countries after WW2, into even the 70's/80's, ...including those nice Palestinian chaps with Yasar Arafat!

Romantic notion gives the impression that it never existed but in a dream! ... There have been many Caliphate, heck, it was only after WW1 that the Ottoman Caliphate (Empire) was abolished, around 1924. It isn't a dream, it is supported in the teachings. Don't forget, ISIS is actually just a strict interpretation of Islam, not too detached from that practiced by Saudi Arabia (who happen to be the main investors of the moskes that produce the radicals here in Europe, Germany has asked them not to put up the money anymore, plus claims that they also indirectly fund ISIS). There are many indications that Isis has been supported by Saudi (and the Sunnis) in order to ensure that the oil in Iraq did not fall under the influence of the Shia's and support from Iran. (Ahhhh...the old Sunni - Shia battle that has been raging for 1600 years).


If a moderate Muslim is seen as not a Muslim, then the same applies to other religions. Religions are man made from thousands of years ago and there are various forms. Paul Pogba from Man Utd is a Muslim, but yes a Muslim at a mosque may disagree. I don't give a flying f***. And as I said, the UK authorities have to UP their game, otherwise, all the other initiatives are a waste of time. This BS, trying to over analyse everything is the CORE problem with why so many are scared to broach the problem. Simplify it to its core elements and then you can attempt to counter it. That's basic problem solving.

Yes, they have attached themselves to Islam. I don't watch SVT. If as it seems you're suggesting, then we would see a terrorist attack every day in the UK. If they're true Muslims, then attracting cannabis smoking, criminals and others who know little about Islam would be counter to their beliefs, surely. Even Al Qaeda think they've gone way over the top. So, yes, it's a death cult. To suggest otherwise, is blind.

The romantic notion is a perception created by ISIS to attract people to their cult. That's why so many try to leave after joining, once they realise the truth. Again, you're trying to complicate something that is a musch simpler situation. You're actually stuck in the past. This is 2017!

It seems you want to ban Muslims from Europe. Good luck with that idea! At least my ideas will move us forward and can be adapted to deal with the moving goal posts. At the end of the day, it's all about applying the law equally and getting the community to act, with the right support from the authorities.

Posted by: Mib 29.May.2017, 09:09 PM

QUOTE (Model T Ford @ 29.May.2017, 08:08 PM) *
It's just that the West is over in the Middle East, and killing their inhabitants wholesale.

Ever heard of cause and effect?


There is an element of truth ie. drones killing innocent people, but the reality is that ISIS and others are killing many more than the West ever did. The US/UK should never have invaded Iraq. It has awoken a hornets nest.

What ISIS do incredibly well is use social media and via their territories, to groom and plant the seeds into minds of people to convince them of their ideas. That's why they have their own film studios, camera men, even a weekly newsletter.

Posted by: intrepidfox 29.May.2017, 09:58 PM

It´s a shame that we cannot just push a "delete" button and get rid of the muslim scum that are fucking up this world with their pathetic stone age pedophile religion

Posted by: Bsmith 29.May.2017, 10:40 PM

QUOTE (Model T Ford @ 29.May.2017, 07:08 PM) *
It's just that the West is over in the Middle East, and killing their inhabitants wholesale.

Ever heard of cause and effect?


The first Barbary War (1801-1805) was fought between the US, Sweden and Tripoli, Algiers, Tunis and the Sultanate of Morocco because the Barbary (Muslim) pirates were capturing sailing vessels and holding the crews for ransom. Thomas Jefferson refused to pay the ransom and thus began the war. This s**t has been going on a long time before US intervention in the ME. However, I will grant you that I believe that the US should stay out of the ME as it is a giant tar baby and nothing will ever change over there despite the trillions of dollars and thousands of lives being spent.

Posted by: Bsmith 29.May.2017, 10:51 PM

QUOTE (Mib @ 29.May.2017, 09:03 PM) *
It seems you want to ban Muslims from Europe. Good luck with that idea! At least my ideas will move us forward and can be adapted to deal with the moving goal posts. At the end of the day, it's all about applying the law equally and getting the community to act, with the right support from the authorities.


Works for Japan. They refuse to let Islam gain a toehold in their country as the Japanese government sees Islam as a destabilizing force. Can you blame them?


The simple truth is that the jihadists are practicing Islam exactly as Mohammad would have instructed (and has through his teachings). Killing infidels is an integral part of the religion.

I was in southern Wisconsin today and saw the Amish out working their fields and was struck by the thought of how similar the Amish are to Muslims. Both shun modern society because their religion tells them that it is evil. Both are clannish and shun those who leave their respective faiths. Both have rather puritanical beliefs when it comes to sex. Men of both faiths sport beards and the women of both faiths cover up from head to toe.

But the big difference is have you ever heard of an Amish terrorist? No, because the Amish believe in peace, and the Muslims (the so called religion of peace) do not.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.May.2017, 11:09 PM

Again, Islam does not have to use force of arms to get what it wants, all it need do is continue it's birth rate in Western society...

In 50/100 years the demographics of Europe will have changed dramatically, who do you think will become the minority???

The Dark Ages are coming...Again!!!

Posted by: Model T Ford 30.May.2017, 11:39 PM

And its biggest promoter is The Donald.

Posted by: Roger O. Thornhill 12.Jun.2017, 12:18 AM

The Brits invited this.

Posted by: Gjeebes 12.Jun.2017, 06:02 AM

"The romantic notion is a perception created by ISIS to attract people to their cult."

And why is it that it works so well? In group - out group. I cannot speak for the UK, although no shortage of arrogance there, but in Sweden, Persians (for one example), are an underclass. And they know it, yet still expect respect which they do not receive. ISIS, unfortunately, gives them a voice, so to speak, someone to blame for their woes, and something to believe in. Sad but true.

Misery loves company. Cults always draw the weakest and most lost people to them.

Lots of foreign people on the fringes of society whom are likely to never be given the same chances as the "locals". Not unique to Sweden, but unique in that the Swedes only talk talk talk, and hardly ever "do".

Oil wars aside. Securing the backdoor to China (Afghanistan) aside, intolerance in our "global" societies, also helps the death cult find their idiot minions.

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