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Posted by: FR 27.Jan.2006, 04:09 PM

California regulators became the first in the nation Thursday to designate secondhand tobacco smoke as a "toxic air contaminant,'' a move that could lead to new city and state laws and educational campaigns directed at smoking parents.

Full article at: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2006/01/27/SMOKE.TMP

So the sixth largest economy has decided to put secondhand smoke in the same category as poisons such as benzine. Sanctions against smoking parents for exposing their children to said poison will be an interesting issue too.

Posted by: The Teenage Diplomat 27.Jan.2006, 04:10 PM

Smart move.

Posted by: VikingHumpingWitch 27.Jan.2006, 04:10 PM

It'll be a fair move when they start making moves to cut car emissions too. I'm willing to bet there are more drivers than smokers in California.

Posted by: Littlefair 27.Jan.2006, 04:13 PM

Oh sod off in a country that shuns Kayoto they want to whine about smokers I think they should get real.

Posted by: FR 27.Jan.2006, 04:16 PM

Well, this is in California, not Washington DC. Good point though... and not the only time the US government has had obvious internal conflict over its mores.

Posted by: FR 27.Jan.2006, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (VikingHumpingWitch)
It'll be a fair move when they start making moves to cut car emissions too. I'm willing to bet there are more drivers than smokers in California.


California has very tough restrictions on car emissions. Many cars from other states do not qualify in California.

Posted by: Kodos 27.Jan.2006, 04:20 PM

Day 2 of not smoking for the cigarette loving Kang.

One less person to pollute California. As if I would ever go there, anyhow.

Posted by: FR 27.Jan.2006, 04:21 PM

Congratulations! Btw, the problem in cigarettes is not the tobacco, but the chemical additives. Tobacco alone likely would not have such a horrid designation.

Posted by: Littlefair 27.Jan.2006, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (Kang)
Day 2 of not smoking for the cigarette loving Kang.

One less person to pollute California. As if I would ever go there, anyhow.


well done Kang I hope you make it dont turn into a I used to smoke now I dont blah blah blah sort though.

Posted by: Kodos 27.Jan.2006, 04:39 PM

I am determined not to turn into a self-righteous former smoker. Smokers should still be permitted to smoke in designated areas. I had no problems with that as a smoker and I don't anticipate having problems now.

I have two feet that work...I can get up and walk away if it annoys me.

Posted by: Kodos 27.Jan.2006, 04:40 PM

Thanks for the support guys! I need all that I can get.

Posted by: VikingHumpingWitch 27.Jan.2006, 04:42 PM

Well I'm not wishing you good luck, you bloody quitter!!

No seriously all the best with it. I only smoke in pubs now so am assuming it'll be dead easy to give up when I get to Sweden. erm.

Posted by: Kodos 27.Jan.2006, 04:53 PM

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Believe me...it's not by choice.

I'll go ahead and add some fuel to the fire...I have had an upper respiratory infection for over three weeks, now. I have to have a CT scan on my chest, neck and head and I'm being tested for asthma. I get to take tons of medicine and puff an inhaler twice a day.

For as much as I love smoking, I'm now a walking, talking example of why one shouldn't do it. Just like every other story out there...


To quote the great Keith Olbermann:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/8514671/#050808b

"Break the pipe or throw away the chaw, or flush the butts, or leave the cigar in the cigar store. Buy the gum, buy the patch, get them to tie your arms behind your back until you stop smoking. Do whatever you have to do to stop smoking ? now. While it's easier.

So you don't have to stop smoking while you have cancer. Or while you're sitting there, spitting into a garbage can, praying that you don't."

Posted by: VikingHumpingWitch 27.Jan.2006, 05:01 PM

sad.gif that's rubbish Kang, sorry to hear that. Wish you all the best then and hope that once the lungs clear out a bit you'll feel a lot better.

Posted by: Kodos 27.Jan.2006, 05:08 PM

Thanks!!!!

There's nothing worse than having to give up one's only vice.

Posted by: VikingHumpingWitch 27.Jan.2006, 05:18 PM

I can recommend a range of replacement ones if that would help? :wink:

Posted by: Kodos 27.Jan.2006, 05:21 PM

Hell yeah!

Bring 'em on.

Posted by: Littlefair 27.Jan.2006, 05:23 PM

Hey you can have some of mine if you want

Posted by: FR 27.Jan.2006, 09:35 PM

Gluttony
Lust
Sloth
Greed
Pride
Envy
Anger

Posted by: Dakyras 28.Jan.2006, 04:47 PM

Wow FR... A negative thread about smoking from you. Who would have thought it. Are you not sick of flogging this horse? Probably not. Lets see... Smoking bad, smokers evil, everyone must stop smoking in order to save FR's precious lungs, sue the neighbours, yadda yadda yadda. Move on for gods sake :roll:

Posted by: Littlefair 28.Jan.2006, 04:51 PM

she can't evil smokers have made it so she cant walk anywhere without passive smoking.

Posted by: Brah 28.Jan.2006, 04:56 PM

Ms Humper...Not to defned CALI, but they have the toughest emissions laws in the states...
Surely you have soem good stories with your name to add to the new forum we started up over on the discuss area.
Hump away Humpty Dumpty Humpty Dance Humpback

Posted by: Dakyras 28.Jan.2006, 04:59 PM

Your a bit mad aren't you Matthew? Do you see things that are not there? Are the voices getting to you? :wink:

Posted by: Kodos 28.Jan.2006, 07:52 PM

Oooooh Dakyras, cut the poor bastard a break. He's far too busy gazing into the mirror to listen to the voices in his head.

Mwwwwahahahahahahahahahahhahahahahahah...

Posted by: Toronto 1 29.Jan.2006, 02:52 AM

Kang I know you can do it. I smoked for over 20 years and I have not had one smoke since I quit. Believe me it is hard. But if your getting sick over it, quit while you can.
My mother died because of smoking. She smoked for over 60 years.
I sure as s*it do not want to go that way.
Try the patch, nicotine gum, anything please to help you quit.
Just try, if I can quit, anybody can. Trust me!!!!!!!

Posted by: Alice Is Back 29.Jan.2006, 03:14 AM

kang i think it is wonderful you have decided to quit. My uncle had a near-death heart attack due to smoking even if he was only 50 and my step-father is always sick partly due to smoking. It is not worth it.

Posted by: Cyberfluff 29.Jan.2006, 04:52 AM

Congratulations Kang.

It sucks. Oh how it sucks. But it is soooooo worth it.

What worked for me was the patch for the nicotine, chewing gum to satisfy the oral cravings, and plastic straws to fiddle with. And a lot of crying, whining and generally being miserable. My now pojkvän was really great. and supportive of the whole process. For me I really needed someone that I could say "I hate this, it sucks, I'm dying for a cigarette. Why am I doing this to myself?" to and who would be sympathetic, but logically point out all the things I was losing sight of while I was wallowing in self pity.

Posted by: Dogge 29.Jan.2006, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (Littlefair)
Oh sod off in a country that shuns Kayoto they want to whine about smokers I think they should get real.

Do you realize that not all states/people in the USA have the seem toward every issue as the current administration?

And you should also realize that states laws can go against what the federal government decides on certain issues. There are many differernt views in the US, especially with the nation as divided as it is. You shouldn't get your panties in a bunch that California wants to have stricter air emission standards while Washington deicded not to sign the Kyoto treaty.

Posted by: Jimmy 29.Jan.2006, 08:24 PM

Yeah well I just went out and had a smoke. smile.gif Rolled my own as I have for a long time now (probably why I still get a game of cricket with the windies boys, they need papers usually) , so none of the chemicals that are in pre-made. Enjoyed it and have no regrets smile.gif If you want to give up Yippee but hopefully it is not forced upon the ones that want to smoke.
If I am out at a restaurant eating dinner I would go outside by my own choice to have a smoke. But if I was having a beer at a pub then I would stay inside.
My grandfather smoked for 65 years then he quit, lived another 6-8 years no problem but I think he didn't remember that he smoked at the end

Posted by: FR 29.Jan.2006, 11:51 PM

The chemicals are not added at the rolling process the "treatment" process. Unless you buy the tobacco fresh and green and dry it yourself, you're smoking the chemicals.

Posted by: FR 30.Jan.2006, 12:14 AM

Smoker starts fire that kills 85-year old woman and ravages Table Mountain in Cape Town.

http://www.angolapress-angop.ao/noticia-e.asp?ID=411959

From the article which is available at the above link:

British tourist appeared before a Cape Town Magistrate`s court Friday on arson and homicide charges in connection with Thursday`s fire that killed another British tourist at Table Mountain, one of South Africa`s popular resorts here.

Posted by: Markbase With An Invisible Silen 30.Jan.2006, 11:42 AM

Congrats Kang, well done.

I'm actually a happy smoker, although it's a pain being in pubs in Sweden. Cigs go with beers, that's how nature works (OK, maybe that's just in my world).

One thing that works for me on flights or in long meetings is snus (those little packets you stick under your gum - NOT the icky powder stuff). It's so much cheaper than nicotine gum and helps me...But I guess weaning of snus could then be a problem. On the other hand, I know some bloke who was on nicotine gum for over a year after he quit smoking.

Just remembered something I saw in a pub in Helsingborg: "Having a non-smoking section in a pub is like have a non-pissing section in a pool."

Mark Base
http://www.markbase.net
For observations and opinions about life in Helsingborg

Posted by: dipster 30.Jan.2006, 01:00 PM

It's incredible really how people so easily accept a nanny states rules.

Basically yes if you visit a bar where people are smoking every night then yes you are going to take in quite a lot secondry smoke, however if you go to bar every night then you are possibly doing harm to yourself in other ways. Perhaps alcohol should be banned in pubs and bars?

But what about the workers in the bar? Well it goes with the job! If you apply for a job in a bar you are aware that people drink and smoke, if you think its too much of a risk then you choose to work elsewhere, no ones forcing people to work in a pub or bar!

Choices adults can make as opposed forced upon by hypocritical politicians & hypocritical non smokers.

Smoke is bad!

Yes and so are fumes from cars and I don't drive so why should I breath in your fumes? I say make cars illigal!

Airstaff die every year in plane crashes! + they are a major contribution to pollution! I say make flying illigal!

I've heard that non smokers die everyday! If this is true then something should be done about this.

Posted by: Markbase With An Invisible Silen 30.Jan.2006, 01:18 PM

QUOTE (dipster)
But what about the workers in the bar? Well it goes with the job! If you apply for a job in a bar you are aware that people drink and smoke, if you think its too much of a risk then you choose to work elsewhere, no ones forcing people to work in a pub or bar!

Choices adults can make as opposed forced upon by hypocritical politicians & hypocritical non smokers.


This is exactly what I've always said. If you can't stand the smoke, stay out of the pub, Nanny!

Mark Base
http://www.markbase.net
For observations and opinions about life in Helsingborg

Posted by: FR 30.Jan.2006, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (dipster)
It's incredible really how people so easily accept a nanny states rules.

Basically yes if you visit a bar where people are smoking every night then yes you are going to take in quite a lot secondry smoke, however if you go to bar every night then you are possibly doing harm to yourself in other ways. Perhaps alcohol should be banned in pubs and bars?

But what about the workers in the bar? Well it goes with the job! If you apply for a job in a bar you are aware that people drink and smoke, if you think its too much of a risk then you choose to work elsewhere, no ones forcing people to work in a pub or bar!

Choices adults can make as opposed forced upon by hypocritical politicians & hypocritical non smokers.

Smoke is bad!

Yes and so are fumes from cars and I don't drive so why should I breath in your fumes? I say make cars illigal!

Airstaff die every year in plane crashes! + they are a major contribution to pollution! I say make flying illigal!

I've heard that non smokers die everyday! If this is true then something should be done about this.


I am all for keeping the smokers in the bars. I would prefer a ban on the streets, where people cannot avoid being on occasion, and keeping the smoking inside the bar and, for smokers, inside their homes. Forget save-the-smokers and lets just save the rest of us.

Posted by: VikingHumpingWitch 30.Jan.2006, 04:23 PM

QUOTE (FR)
I am all for keeping the smokers in the bars. I would prefer a ban on the streets, where people cannot avoid being on occasion, and keeping the smoking inside the bar and, for smokers, inside their homes. Forget save-the-smokers and lets just save the rest of us.


I agree with that. If we could have special bars where car drivers can go and sit and inhale their exhaust fumes so I don't have to.

Seriously though, I think everywhere should be non-smoking unless the owner/manager/licensee/whatever says it can be smoking.

Posted by: FR 30.Jan.2006, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (VikingHumpingWitch)
I agree with that. If we could have special bars where car drivers can go and sit and inhale their exhaust fumes so I don't have to.

Seriously though, I think everywhere should be non-smoking unless the owner/manager/licensee/whatever says it can be smoking.


Ther e were plenty of restaurants and bars that catered to non-smokers before the law was changed. They knew they had a market. I think it's worse with people smoking on the streets, where one cannot help having to be.

One problem in the USA is the bike paths (I remember Sweden being different, but it may have changed). The bike paths here are always along the road, so you have to suffer the fumes. I remember that in Sweden the paths were not simply painted along the roadways, but set apart from the motor vehicle traffic.

Posted by: Kodos 31.Jan.2006, 08:05 PM

Hey folks...

I'm on day 6 as a non-smoker. No one has (yet) died from my personal pain and anguish. tongue.gif

Thanks for the encouraging words. I appreciate them.

And, probably to the chagrin of smokers, I'm beginning to breathe a little easier and food is beginning to taste "funny."

Posted by: Alice Is Back 31.Jan.2006, 08:25 PM

fr I ride my bike 40 min to the university and 40 min back and I would like to point out bike paths on sidewalks are much more dangerous. The wort danger is when autos turn right and cannot see the bike coming on the sidewalk. Several persons have been run over esp. by trucks. Additionally many pedestrians are unaware of the speed some bike riders go and/or do not watch for bike traffic when crossing the bike path on the sidewalk. Finally a cyclist is more visible on the street. I agree it is annoying with the auto fumes but is safer and faster. Riding in the sidewalk is so slow I find.

Also as a tip nobody is required to ride on the bike path in the winter, esp. if the path has not been plowed. You can always ride on the road instead!

Posted by: etuna 31.Jan.2006, 08:28 PM

QUOTE (FR)
Ther e were plenty of restaurants and bars that catered to non-smokers before the law was changed. They knew they had a market. I think it's worse with people smoking on the streets, where one cannot help having to be.

One problem in the USA is the bike paths (I remember Sweden being different, but it may have changed). The bike paths here are always along the road, so you have to suffer the fumes. I remember that in Sweden the paths were not simply painted along the roadways, but set apart from the motor vehicle traffic.


In the UK we ride on the road in traffic lanes. Keeps you sharp anyway!

Posted by: Mike 17.Mar.2006, 01:12 PM

QUOTE (Littlefair aka Luggage)
Oh sod off in a country that shuns Kayoto they want to whine about smokers I think they should get real.


Global warming is a theory. Cigarettes cause cancer; that?s a fact.

Posted by: Wanna-be 17.Mar.2006, 01:26 PM

Vindakangalangaloo

What kind of friggin name is that, re-name to; I quit and I'm proud of that. Not like that obscene creature...Holecutter who is still a smoker (cigars) and has the will power of a mouse.

There is if you look a method in my madness, you have to at this stage have signs every way and which way to remind you to keep of that weed. Open up my lungs and the maggots from hell will be loose.

:twisted:

Posted by: VikingHumpingWitch 17.Mar.2006, 01:32 PM

QUOTE (Beryl The Ferral)
Second hand smoke is nothing.

Once you ride the tunnelbana in summer, it's the old pensioners you need to look out for. They stink of 'old' and don't bother with deo! Fy fan!!

Well, I've found a way to combat it. I fart, then look shamefully at them :x to make them feel uneasy.


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Posted by: Benzed 17.Mar.2006, 02:29 PM

QUOTE (Mike)
Global warming is a theory. Cigarettes cause cancer; that?s a fact.


Global warming is a theory? Wake up you f***ing jobber.

Jimmy - where do you play cricket?

Kang - still non smoking?

Witch - glad you still puff when you drink ... er, yeah. I don´t mind going outside for a bit of fresh air to have a smoke (yes yes) and prefer my clothes not to reek of the stuff when I come home after a big session, so no complaints whether I´m smoking or not.

Littlefair - A+ on the Kyoto observation, my main reason to despise Bush by the way.

California - vapid town of worthless sh1theaps.

Fin.

Posted by: Kodos 17.Mar.2006, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (Holecutter aka Mr. nice guy)
Vindakangalangaloo

What kind of friggin name is that, re-name to; I quit and I'm proud of that. Not like that obscene creature...Holecutter who is still a smoker (cigars) and has the will power of a mouse.

There is if you look a method in my madness, you have to at this stage have signs every way and which way to remind you to keep of that weed. Open up my lungs and the maggots from hell will be loose.

:twisted:


Hole...

If you're still smoking, please take a drag or two for me.

The only reason for my giving my nasty habit was the asthma inhaler. It seemed a bit counter-intuitive and pathetic to hit the asthma bong and then light up. :wink:

That and the sadistic Dr Pillsbury refused to treat me if I was still smoking.

/Kang

Posted by: Nico aka the boy wonder 17.Mar.2006, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (Vindakangalangaloo)
Hole...

If you're still smoking, please take a drag or two for me.

The only reason for my giving my nasty habit was the asthma inhaler. It seemed a bit counter-intuitive and pathetic to hit the asthma bong and then light up. :wink:

That and the sadistic Dr Pillsbury refused to treat me if I was still smoking.

/Kang


Take up smooking weed.. Many millions of people with asthma smoke weed as medication. Cannabis helps to open up the airways and helps people with asthma to braeth easyer.

Actually.. when thinking about it.. im thinking about faking asthma so i have a "legit" reason for it wink.gif

(Hello SÄPO. I was just kidding. I do not intend to do anything or be part of any illegal activities)

Posted by: Kodos 17.Mar.2006, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Nico)
Take up smooking weed.. Many millions of people with asthma smoke weed as medication. Cannabis helps to open up the airways and helps people with asthma to braeth easyer.

Actually.. when thinking about it.. im thinking about faking asthma so i have a "legit" reason for it wink.gif

(Hello SÄPO. I was just kidding. I do not intend to do anything or be part of any illegal activities)


Who says I haven't already? :wink:

Posted by: Benzed 17.Mar.2006, 03:35 PM

I do hereby vow with Satan as my witness, when I get into this Chalmers-nigh apartment I will track me down some w33d come helvete or high water :twisted:

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