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Posted by: Gjeebes 31.Oct.2017, 07:08 AM

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5021579/Stockholm-attack-victim-Spotify-boss-father-compensation.html

Interesting how the first story I've heard about someone having a problem with Sweden's "we-know-not-what-we-do" approach to failed asylum seeker deportations only surfaces now, and is being challenged by father of murder victim Chris Bevington, who died in Stockholm's terror attack.

Seems Sweden just can't handle facing up to its responsibilities and failed duties in its inability to deport illegals rendered as failed asylum seekers.

Also seems like the media has been hushed about the whole ordeal, as there is zero discussion about the failure of the current guv to carry out deportation orders, and the deadly consequences thereof. And if there would be any talk of it, it would quickly be labelled as (employing the over-used) "neo-nazi" talk, which is the flavour-of-the-year in Sweden's attempt to control the narrative.

Of course there will be some here that will excuse it because Sweden was over-run with asylum seekers in 2015, but don't forget, Sweden allowed itself to be over-run, without vetting anyone, and without ANY plan whatsoever.

Posted by: gsurya 31.Oct.2017, 08:11 AM

I do hope you realize that the whole point of someone seeking asylum is that they are not deported back to that same nation, Sweden simply cannot do so under EU & International laws without due process.

True, Sweden has pulled far more than its due weight in taking in asylum seekers & refugees, far more than other western nations & its people should be proud of that. Tragic as this incident is, people are using it to bash asylum seekers & refugees as a whole.

But since this incident, Sweden has also tightened its processes considerably & turned away 1000s who would have been allowed in earlier.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 31.Oct.2017, 08:57 AM

The majority of the immigrants in Germany and Sweden in 2015 were not refugees, they were economic migrants. So quit with the Sweden pulling its weight BS and moral superiority.

What Sweden needs to do is what Germany is doing. You work with the former home countries to accept the migrants back.

It's been estimated that due to climate change, 500M Africans will have to migrate. Unless Europe wants to be totally overrun, it will have to stop this crap about human rights.

Why is it that human rights apply the moment some waster gets on a boat in the Mediterranean, but is conveniently forgotten when people are being slaughtered on the battle field. Don't remember Sweden doing a hell of a lot in Afghanistan, Syria, or even Bosnia - at least until after the USA came in to sort the mess out.

Posted by: gsurya 31.Oct.2017, 09:19 AM

Dont get confused between Illegal immigrants, Refugees & Asylum Seekers - these are all different categories explicitly classified under EU laws.

Yes, most of those illegally entering the EU register themselves in the latter two categories and almost nobody can enter Sweden directly, the problem is with those first ports of entry into EU.

Once they are within the EU, all EU countries have responsibility to tackle them and Sweden definitely has pulled greater weight than most other countries.

Posted by: Gjeebes 31.Oct.2017, 09:41 AM

I do hope you realize that the whole point of someone seeking asylum is that they are not deported back to that same nation, Sweden simply cannot do so under EU & International laws without due process.

[Gjeebes] And I do hope you realise the murderous scum, had his due process, was rejected, and was to be deported. Period. Except Sweden's head is so far up its own ass, it just doesn't have the mettle to carry out what needs to be done (by "law", may I remind).

True, Sweden has pulled far more than its due weight in taking in asylum seekers & refugees, far more than other western nations & its people should be proud of that. Tragic as this incident is, people are using it to bash asylum seekers & refugees as a whole.

[Gjeebes] I am bashing Sweden for its incapability in following its duty and putting its citizens at risk, simply to appear as holier-than-thou on the international stage. I have nothing against people seeking asylum. What I am against is how Sweden completely fucked up in how it went about doing it, while sneering at any country that did not follow suit.

But since this incident, Sweden has also tightened its processes considerably & turned away 1000s who would have been allowed in earlier.

[Gjeebes] Because Sweden had its head up its ass, most of the resources it had to help people, who actually needed it, went into "processing" people, who simply plugged up the system. Most people who really needed help were left to rot in asylum accommodations, for a few years (which by the way, made many a Swede rich due to charging the guv 10 x the rents) and in that time had developed new mental dysfunction as a result, on top of what they brought with them.

Its people like you, gsurya, whom have little idea of how the world actually works, how Sweden actually works, that will constantly make excuse after excuse and when you hit the "argument wall", simply play the "you-don't-like-immigrants" card. But you are perfectly well suited for Sweden, yes, you deserve Sweden, and Sweden deserves you, since most of the ignoramuses who inhabit this amateur joke of a country, would likely do it all again, just so you can artificially feel good about yourselves, while the whole fucking thing caves in, just like last time.

Posted by: Gjeebes 31.Oct.2017, 09:51 AM

"Sweden definitely has pulled greater weight than most other countries."

gsurya, you are the only one posting in this thread who is (completely) confused and utterly ignorant.

Wrong! But Sweden has definitely been the most "irresponsible" of any EU country. Open-borders is still popular somehow, but if you dare to look back, gsurya, "open-borders" was only fit for "virtue-signalling" PR bullshit that Sweden is famous for (and it has back-fired in a classically predictable textbook manner). "Open-borders" immigration equals 1) disorganised: have to sort through 1000's of people who never should have been let in because they are not "refugees", 2) security risks: I cannot just travel to any fucking country I wish to (and I have the fucking papers), without going through thorough security checks, so please, gsurya, tell me why people who can't verify who they are, where they come from, and why they have come, should just be able to walk right in and do whatever the fuck they please? 3) 2-3 year waiting times: because of Sweden's utter stupidity, people that needed help, "now", didn't get it. 4) Deported means "deported". Sweden has a VERY poor record at following through with the legal outcomes of "failed"/"rejected" asylum seekers. Again, if I overstay on a visit somewhere, I am supposed to leave. Period.

So please gsurya, take your bleeding-heart bullshit, and stuff it right back in there. You are 3 years too late; no one wants to hear about the "merits" of open-borders anymore, because THEY DON'T EXIST.

Furthermore, Sweden spent was it as much, or, more, "helping" 0.3% of the "fleeing" population, than the UN's entire budget for the whole world, for was it 2015, or, 2016. Absolutely idiotic. What has it cost Sweden, in kronor? They advertise "budget surplus" but at the same time say nothing of the billions they have added to the national debt with their retarded immigration policies.

And like Timo said, Sweden doesn't give a fuck about these people, if it did, it would have flown people in (like Canada did) and granted visas (like Canada did), having processed people, prior to their arrival (like Canada did). Timo also showed that nanny welfare states have a critical working: non-working ratio. In essence, there is a cut-off whereby below 80-85% employed, there is not enough tax income to keep things going.

And then gsurya, how many innocents DIED trying to get to Sweden, because idiot-stick Sweden invited them to the party, "unconditionally" (even if they had no chance should they have made it)?

Sweden got EXACTLY what it asked for. But let's see if anyone bothers to address these issues for the next election eh?

Posted by: flaneur 31.Oct.2017, 11:12 AM

Where is Twiceshy?

Posted by: Bsmith 31.Oct.2017, 11:28 AM

QUOTE (flaneur @ 31.Oct.2017, 11:12 AM) *
Where is Twiceshy?


Maybe he's been deported. smile.gif

Posted by: Svedallas 31.Oct.2017, 12:24 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 31.Oct.2017, 11:28 AM) *
Maybe he's been deported. smile.gif


laugh.gif laugh.gif
Finally.

Posted by: Svedallas 31.Oct.2017, 12:37 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 31.Oct.2017, 08:57 AM) *
The majority of the immigrants in Germany and Sweden in 2015 were not refugees, they were economic migrants. So quit with the Sweden pulling its weight BS and moral superiority.

What Sweden needs to do is what Germany is doing. You work with the former home countries to accept the migrants back.

It's been estimated that due to climate change, 500M Africans will have to migrate. Unless Europe wants to be totally overrun, it will have to stop this crap about human rights.

Why is it that human rights apply the moment some waster gets on a boat in the Mediterranean, but is conveniently forgotten when people are being slaughtered on the battle field. Don't remember Sweden doing a hell of a lot in Afghanistan, Syria, or even Bosnia - at least until after the USA came in to sort the mess out.


The problem with deportation, is the country has to accept the failed asylum seeker back. And also it is expensive.

So what is happening now is these failed asylum seekers (during the process) go underground. Hence the Stockholm attack.

The problem with Sweden, is for one, they should make faster decisions with asylum applications, and faster deportations, and work alongside other countries.

France approach is to pay cash, at the airport,...and watch them leave.
That seemed to have worked. But sure enough they find one way or another to get back to EU with a completely new identity. As they probably use the funds to pay the smuggler again.

If you watched the SVT documentary, one Afghan claimed to be 17 (was 27).
He had gone through, Turkey, Germany, Austria, Holland and Germany. Does not sound like an asylum seeker. But it took 1 year for a decision. And guess who is forking that bill...

The blame needs to go on open borders. Jumping country to country shopping for the best deal is still the same position we are in. And, on top of that, is that there is no control and as you say accountability on "who" actually is going underground. Soon enough, Police will need to do random checks on the street. At the rate it is going...

Posted by: Gjeebes 31.Oct.2017, 12:47 PM

"The problem with deportation, is the country has to accept the failed asylum seeker back. And also it is expensive."

And neither of these facts were secret, yet Sweden somehow appears to have thought itself exempt from these blatantly obvious features, due to its exaggerated sense of superiority and virtuousness.

And even so, Sweden decided to allow this to happen to itself. What is happening now was entirely, 100%, predicted and expected.

The Swedish model: we sell our own people out, while they blindly approve.

PS - one can also thank the immigration disaster of 2015, and in all aspects of how it was handled, for creating all the right-wing hardliner responses currently raging in Sweden. In the end, it seems Sweden really does suffer, amongst the myriad of other things, from a serious lack of educated and nuanced views.

Posted by: Gjeebes 31.Oct.2017, 01:02 PM

"Where is Twiceshy?"

Well, flan-flan, the "we love our fags" over-functioning Muppet seems to have had his bluff called. It would seem to be no coincidence that he "disappeared" into Bitty-land, around the exact same time as you two were looking to hook-up. (hint: I don't think he knew how much you liked his "cock-in-hand" self-portrait...).

In the typical Swedish rub, it would seem Twicey does indeed, not love "our" fags. Think of it as dodging a bullet.

Posted by: flaneur 31.Oct.2017, 01:06 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 31.Oct.2017, 01:02 PM) *
"Where is Twiceshy?"

Well, flan-flan, the "we love our fags" over-functioning Muppet seems to have had his bluff called. It would seem to be no coincidence that he "disappeared" into Bitty-land, around the exact same time as you two were looking to hook-up. (hint: I don't think he knew how much you liked his "cock-in-hand" self-portrait...).

In the typical Swedish rub, it would seem Twicey does indeed, not love "our" fags. Think of it as dodging a bullet.


Keep it up, maybe he'll appear! laugh.gif

Posted by: gsurya 31.Oct.2017, 01:19 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 31.Oct.2017, 09:41 AM) *
Its people like you, gsurya, whom have little idea of how the world actually works, how Sweden actually works, that will constantly make excuse after excuse and when you hit the "argument wall", simply play the "you-don't-like-immigrants" card. But you are perfectly well suited for Sweden, yes, you deserve Sweden, and Sweden deserves you, since most of the ignoramuses who inhabit this amateur joke of a country, would likely do it all again, just so you can artificially feel good about yourselves, while the whole fucking thing caves in, just like last time.


Fact that I DID NOT play the "you-dont-like-immigrant" card and you did, proves that you really dont laugh.gif

Yes, I am an immigrant to Sweden, I have been an immigrant to USA, Denmark, Singapore & Sweden earlier too, so I am a "seasoned" immigrant & know that there will be always a few bigots around who hate us, like we have in India too.

What matters to me that Sweden is by a large majority a tolerant, peace-loving and inclusive nation, who does treat immigrants like me well & I intend to keep my end of the bargain by trying to fit into the society as much as a I can, while also changing the society around to reduce bigotry & hatred.

Posted by: TLSucks 31.Oct.2017, 03:50 PM

QUOTE (flaneur @ 31.Oct.2017, 11:12 AM) *
Where is Twiceshy?


Maybe he has a life outside this forum?

Posted by: flaneur 31.Oct.2017, 04:02 PM

I'm sure he does, but the forum sucks without him! biggrin.gif

Posted by: Svedallas 31.Oct.2017, 04:35 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 31.Oct.2017, 12:47 PM) *
"The problem with deportation, is the country has to accept the failed asylum seeker back. And also it is expensive."

And neither of these facts were secret, yet Sweden somehow appears to have thought itself exempt from these blatantly obvious features, due to its exaggerated sense of superiority and virtuousness.

And even so, Sweden decided to allow this to happen to itself. What is happening now was entirely, 100%, predicted and expected.

The Swedish model: we sell our own people out, while they blindly approve.

PS - one can also thank the immigration disaster of 2015, and in all aspects of how it was handled, for creating all the right-wing hardliner responses currently raging in Sweden. In the end, it seems Sweden really does suffer, amongst the myriad of other things, from a serious lack of educated and nuanced views.


But Migrationsverket has been messing up since the late 80s.

I think they have just been accepting people from the bottom of the barrel just to hope that they, can eventually help pay the taxes. 2015 was their biggest wake up call, and we will be punished for their mistakes for many years to come.

Posted by: Gjeebes 31.Oct.2017, 08:01 PM

"What matters to me that Sweden is by a large majority a tolerant, peace-loving and inclusive nation, who does treat immigrants like me well..."

So, you view Sweden as an inclusive country? Sorry? How?

"who does treat immigrants like me well"

Yes, Sweden has indoor plumbing, food to eat, is (largely) disease-free, lacks snakes slithering across your dirt floor, monsoon season and extreme poverty. And if you think that is great, wow would you "actually" be impressed with Canada, or many other Western countries.

Don't mistake the lack of all the 3rd world shite of where you come from as meaning Sweden likes you. Sweden doesn't even like itself, nor do the miserable and depraved Swedes like themselves.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 31.Oct.2017, 09:09 PM

There is another aspect to the mass immigration - Germany is reporting the return of diseases that were thought to have been irradiated.

Posted by: Bsmith 31.Oct.2017, 10:27 PM

Just part of the cultural enrichment. Just imagine what the Sweden of 50 years from now is going to look like.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 31.Oct.2017, 11:05 PM

Sweden will be a part of Greater Eurabia and the Vasa Museum will be a Mosque and the Feminists will flourish in their new role of subservience!!! blink.gif

Posted by: Rick Methven 1.Nov.2017, 09:09 AM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 1.Nov.2017, 12:05 AM) *
Sweden will be a part of Greater Eurabia and the Vasa Museum will be a Mosque and the Feminists will flourish in their new role of subservience!!! blink.gif

Still shit stirring I see, keep up the good work

Posted by: Peter1234 4.Nov.2017, 06:23 PM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 31.Oct.2017, 08:11 AM) *
True, Sweden has pulled far more than its due weight in taking in asylum seekers & refugees, far more than other western nations & its people should be proud of that. Tragic as this incident is, people are using it to bash asylum seekers & refugees as a whole.


You are right, the completely failed and tragic leftist immigration politics in this country is the problem. And it is the opinion corridor mentality of Swedish media, which leads to shameful discrimination of the small minority of true refugees in need of protection, but which due to irresponsible media are put on the same level as the vast majority of welfare scroungers and even Jihad fighters, who immigrated to Sweden since 2015.

It s time for Sweden to start following the Geneva Convention and international law again, before this failed state becomes a terror threat for the rest of Europe, leading to the consequence that the rest of EU needs to close its borders to Sweden!

Posted by: Bsmith 4.Nov.2017, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (Peter1234 @ 4.Nov.2017, 06:23 PM) *
You are right, the completely failed and tragic leftist immigration politics in this country is the problem. And it is the opinion corridor mentality of Swedish media, which leads to shameful discrimination of the small minority of true refugees in need of protection, but which due to irresponsible media are put on the same level as the vast majority of welfare scroungers and even Jihad fighters, who immigrated to Sweden since 2015.

It s time for Sweden to start following the Geneva Convention and international law again, before this failed state becomes a terror threat for the rest of Europe, leading to the consequence that the rest of EU needs to close its borders to Sweden!


Quite true but probably too late.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Nov.2017, 02:02 AM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 1.Nov.2017, 09:09 AM) *
Still shit stirring I see, keep up the good work



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