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Migrationsverket deportation rage

salary, insurance, vacation, then what?

Bsmith
post 20.Jul.2017, 02:54 PM
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QUOTE (the_dome @ 19.Jul.2017, 06:56 PM) *
Because I'm tired of these racists that think that they know everything about everything.


None of us know everything but we are all entitled to our opinions.


QUOTE (axiom @ 20.Jul.2017, 09:16 AM) *
I think the more worrying this is how the feck can someone get a work permit to essentially serve burgers in McDonalds?! That's insane! That's not what the wor ... (show full quote)


Exactly. I looked in to immigrating to Canada. I either had to be a student of a Canadian college, have a skill that was in demand or be willing to invest a rather large sum of money in a Canadian business. Does Sweden need burger flippers? And what about the kid who should have that job in order to learn work skills...where is he or she going to get a job?
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Svedallas
post 20.Jul.2017, 03:15 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 20.Jul.2017, 03:54 PM) *
None of us know everything but we are all entitled to our opinions. Exactly. I looked in to immigrating to Canada. I either had to be a student of a Canadian college, have ... (show full quote)


Indeed!!

Many of these deportations are clearly justified. Sweden does not need low skills jobs. Simple as that!

The low skilled jobs should go to those who need the work (or language) experience, and who are already natives or residents. (high school students, love refugees or legitimate refugees). Why get a foreign worker for the job? Unless it is a truly unique skill then they should not be eligible for a permit.

Same with many of the IT workers. Their skills are not so unique.
They is plenty of talent already in Sweden.

Only because one can do the job, does not mean they have a right to get the job.
There needs to be a competitive workforce, and that starts with being selective.
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the_dome
post 20.Jul.2017, 06:31 PM
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Yes, all of them should ybe deported because someone on past gave them work permit. Actually everyone should be deported in Sweden including IT experts because Sweden has enough of them...what a bunch of nonsense can one read on this forum...ask Germans to deport all of their's immigrants because jobs can be filled with native Germans - in country where unemployment rate is 4%! Or in Sweden where it is around 7%! And now this expert above is telling us that deportations are justified because all of those positions are not that hard to backfill with local workforce laugh.gif

Well MR expert if you can learn my work skills in 4 years then I will eat a dog crap let's make that deal?
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LLHope
post 20.Jul.2017, 10:58 PM
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QUOTE (the_dome @ 20.Jul.2017, 06:31 PM) *
...ask Germans to deport all of their's immigrants because jobs can be filled with native Germans - in country where unemployment rate is 4%!

Germany has a rule where the local equivalent has a big say in work permit approvals, to the extent that first they check if there actually is someone local who is unemployed and can do the job the work permit is being requested for. Only if they do not find someone do they then allow it to go forward for processing ...BIG difference than here! There is much talk that the rules should be changed so that the stock of unemployed should be checked before work permits are granted for non-EU ...and remember in the past there was a requirement that the employer had to show they had arranged accommodation for the work permit applicant before it could be approved. Now the same employers that got that law changed whine about lack of accommodation for workers biggrin.gif and also want the law changing because they are so bad at administration they cannot even meet the current requirements of simple things like insurance and paying staff what was agreed to be paid! One should wonder if they should be allowed to run a business at-all rolleyes.gif
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Svedallas
post 20.Jul.2017, 11:17 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 20.Jul.2017, 11:58 PM) *
Germany has a rule where the local equivalent has a big say in work permit approvals, to the extent that first they check if there actually is someone local who is unemployed ... (show full quote)


"the rules should be changed so that the stock of unemployed should be checked before work permits are granted for non-EU"

EXACTLY!
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axiom
post 21.Jul.2017, 12:27 AM
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QUOTE (Svedallas @ 20.Jul.2017, 01:32 PM) *
Telia slashes 600 jobs. Eriksson slashed over 5000 jobs (2015). Sad to say, but his job will be quickly replaced.


Ericsson will almost certainly be slashing again.
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delta76
post 21.Jul.2017, 08:39 AM
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Most of the rejection was from shady cases: people with unskilled jobs (which can easily be filled anywhere), have had time with salary under 13000kr/month, etc. However the media want click-bait titles so they only focus on those parts.

The guy who was rejected because he did not take enough vacation, actually had one year with lower salary than required (13000kr/month), so it's not so surprise. However nobody will read a news like "Work permit rejected by rules", but "Work permit reject because of not taking enough vacation" will lure more people to click.
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kumam
post 21.Jul.2017, 03:02 PM
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QUOTE (delta76 @ 21.Jul.2017, 09:39 AM) *
Most of the rejection was from shady cases: people with unskilled jobs (which can easily be filled anywhere), have had time with salary under 13000kr/month, etc. However the m ... (show full quote)


Hi Delta76,

which case are you referring to where salary was less than maintenance requirement but newspaper reported the rejection reason as less vacation (there were two cases reported by newspapers in recent days). do you have access to the actual text from decision letter?
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delta76
post 21.Jul.2017, 04:27 PM
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QUOTE (kumam @ 21.Jul.2017, 02:02 PM) *
Hi Delta76, which case are you referring to where salary was less than maintenance requirement but newspaper reported the rejection reason as less vacation (there were two cas ... (show full quote)


http://www.dn.se/nyheter/sverige/sameer-ut...og-ut-semester/
The link at the beginning of this thread, if you scroll down

"He says that after nearly a year of the first car company received a letter from the Immigration Service. It said that he earned too little money, and that he must have another job.

Sameer Suhbat switched to the car dealership where he works now, and where he also serves on the magic limit for obtaining work permits, 13,000 per month. He will also take leave, he informs about."
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wallace1837
post 30.Jul.2017, 09:31 AM
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Does anyone know the details of the imaginary law that Migrationsverket is using to deport foreign workers? E.g. If I have 35 days of vacation per year how many can I push to the next year without being deported? What if I have 32, etc.

Also, what is legally wrong with this case apart from the imaginary vacation law https://www.svd.se/han-hotas-med-utvisning-...r-lite-semester ?
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LLHope
post 30.Jul.2017, 03:10 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 30.Jul.2017, 09:31 AM) *
Does anyone know the details of the imaginary law that Migrationsverket is using to deport foreign workers? E.g. If I have 35 days of vacation per year how many can I push to ... (show full quote)

You simply have not understood the case, but rather in your hate for Migrationsverket fixate upon the simple leftie headline about not taking vacations! rolleyes.gif

If you had bothered to go past the headline you would find that the main argument for the defence in the appeal is that they claim the person is being "punished" twice with the same evidence. note, they do NOT claim that the initial reasoning is actually incorrect, but that it is double-punishment. The claim is that Migrationsverket started the withdrawal process of the original work permit, so the fact that during the time the person held the work permit they were not paid/take their work related benefits (e.g. paid vacation, this also means they were not paid even after leaving), since that work permit was in withdrawal process, and a new work permit issued, then the previous default in following the terms and conditions should not be applied to the rejection of the application for the current extension.

The argument against is interesting, but the simplification of the headline does not do it justice, it is just a leftie attention grabber. biggrin.gif

Yes, not taking and not being paid the cash for "paid vacations" means that the employer is indirectly gaining by employing the person on the work permit rather than someone resident in Sweden. The principle for work permits is that the employers should not financially gain in that respect, it is similar to wage dumping.

but hey, continue with your hate for Migrationsverket rather than wonder why employers couldn't give a toss about their employees ...if they were really World Class and Valued employees, wouldn't YOU do everything to make sure they were treated correctly, and that everything required to ensure their continued work permits are met? Or? wink.gif
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wallace1837
post 30.Jul.2017, 03:38 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 30.Jul.2017, 02:10 PM) *
You simply have not understood the case, but rather in your hate for Migrationsverket fixate upon the simple leftie headline about not taking vacations! If you had both ... (show full quote)

My question is simple. What is the threshold of vacation you can postpone to not get deported.

And yes, conditions in Sweden are deplorable. When you find out you are stuck in this shit hole you cannot commute back and forth to find a job in a civilized country, yes it takes more than one interview to find a job... https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en...amp;prev=search . You get 1 1/2 years of sequestration before you regain freedom or deportation order.

And some more https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en...amp;prev=search
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iamaho
post 30.Jul.2017, 03:52 PM
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No one forced anyone to come here to work.

The better question is, would these people come here to work, if there wasn't a "reward" of PUT at the end of 4 years and Swedish citizenship soon after?

Take away the option of PUT after 4 years, and the deny any possibility of citizenship - where all permits are only TUT and work permit holders can never obtain PUT/Citizenship, we will see a lot less people from 3rd world countries clamouring to come to Sweden to work.

And those who still choose to come, will actually come here to work, and for work only... not hoping for anything more, like everyone on this forum. We will have more realistic workers instead, because they know that they are here only for a short period of time and will return home at the end of their contract. If they don't like Sweden, that's not a problem, because they are not staying here permanently anyways! Earn the kronor and leave!
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Svedallas
post 30.Jul.2017, 07:43 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 30.Jul.2017, 04:10 PM) *
You simply have not understood the case, but rather in your hate for Migrationsverket fixate upon the simple leftie headline about not taking vacations! If you had both ... (show full quote)


"but hey, continue with your hate for Migrationsverket rather than wonder why employers couldn't give a toss about their employees ...if they were really World Class and Valued employees, wouldn't YOU do everything to make sure they were treated correctly, and that everything required to ensure their continued work permits are met? Or?"
INDEED! +1


Work permit employees, are second class employees, and that will never change.
The permit was issued, not because of "talent" but it is highly likely that no-one wanted the job, or the job itself had a high turnover, therefore, they had to take what was available, rather than go through the recruitment processes. Notice how many people actually do their own visa applications.

A Company who wants to recruit a foreigner who has "talent" who deserves the work permit, will hire a lawyer, and will get the paperwork done FOR the employee, with no errors. A foreigner who has to do their own paperwork, is just not taken as seriously.
Real jobs get real support from all sides.

Priorities are now changing, and companies are seeing the work permit as a hassle due to the immigration hassle.
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wallace1837
post 30.Jul.2017, 07:51 PM
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QUOTE (iamaho @ 30.Jul.2017, 02:52 PM) *
No one forced anyone to come here to work.

No, but authorities and employers are lying about what they offer in return for work and the working condition. Even if no one if forced to come here to work (that was never my point anyway), the fallacy is still there and well supported.

For example Forskarassistent and Universitetslektor who are offered position here have no clue that they wont be able to travel for the last two years of their four year contract (or what ever "until further notice") period. This is detrimental to the competitiveness of the candidate who is fooled to come here. He is in dis advantage compare to its Swedish colleague and to its international competitor because they can all travel to conference and go to their field sites, etc.
https://translate.google.se/translate?hl=en...amp;prev=search

His salary will also be lower than its inbred colleague https://www.thelocal.se/jobs/article/foreig...an-swedes-study
https://www.timeshighereducation.com/opinio...-no-meritocracy
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