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Veracity/accuracy of claims.

Basing criticism on unproven statements.

Gamla Hälsingebock
post 24.May.2019, 02:00 AM
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TheLocal is the realm of those that need to vent, find help and communicate...

That is a good thing, however the venting often leads to unfair criticism of the Swedish people and their cultural lifestyle by those having difficulty understanding and adapting to it; that can be interesting, in that there are those that gladly and vociferously challenge them and all hell breaks loose!!!

That's good too and the reason most of us are here!!!

And then there are those that create reasons to criticize that are not true, by alluding to things that they offer as proof that simply do not exist, A la the Liberal "Russian investigation" in the USA...

The main focus seems to be that the Swedish nation is bragging how wonderful they are,
right thinking, morally superior, wise, kind, Democratic, accepting to all, better than anybody else, etc..
I have never seen any documentation from legitimate government sources that verify such claims...Have you???

Lagom prevails in Swedish society...

Would it be too much to ask for source documentation on whatever is challenged by their postings???

Is the Swedish government/people really claiming what they are being accused of???
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Saywhatwhat
post 24.May.2019, 09:53 AM
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Have you ever lived in Sweden as an immigrant? Please, be honest... how frequently and for what length have you even visited Sweden?

Have you heard of anecdotal evidence, testimony? There are a lot of stories on this forum that verify that which you claim has never been claimed by Sweden.

Simply take a look at Sweden.se Sweden’s own website about Sweden, made by swedes for non swedes. Then take a look at the news of Sweden that is reported locally and internationally. Compare them. Then take a look at this forum again, I know you have been, 12 years strong, and then compare.

Seems that Sweden doesn’t live up to the image they perpetuate. Not even to themselves... hence their current situation.

Can you grasp the disconnect? Probably not since you are a tourist.

And believe me, kid, being a tourist is A LOT different than being an immigrant.

And shoot... even when people give you sourced information you, and many others, turn a blind eye just to focus on your own narrative.
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Bsmith
post 27.May.2019, 01:06 PM
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Remember, GH, that only the "Great Saywhatchamacallit" can have a legitimate opinion here on TL.

According to him at least.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 27.May.2019, 03:06 PM
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Saywhatwhat
post 27.May.2019, 07:24 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 27.May.2019, 02:06 PM) *
Remember, GH, that only the "Great Saywhatchamacallit" can have a legitimate opinion here on TL. . According to him at least.


There was no opinion in my post. It was an objective observation. Do you know the difference?

How about let Gamla answer to good questions that were asked... because observing from the outside is different than observations on the inside...
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Bsmith
post 27.May.2019, 07:30 PM
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Everyone's observations are different from someone else's. And guess what? You are not the final authority on who's observations are valid.

Shocker!!!!
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Saywhatwhat
post 28.May.2019, 06:31 AM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 27.May.2019, 08:30 PM) *
Everyone's observations are different from someone else's. And guess what? You are not the final authority on who's observations are valid.. Shocker!!!!


The real shocker is that you are supposedly, or were, a teacher, by your own admittance, and don’t understand that an OBJECTIVE observation will not be different.

Are you the final authority for Gamla?? You seem to speak for them.

You are a sad knee jerk reaction person if you think I’m saying whoever’s observations are not valid. I’m merely responding to Gamla and the questions proposed. It seems more so that you continuously try deem whatever I say as invalid. It seems more so that you try to act as an authority... weird... because I actually live in Sweden, granted it’s on and off for work. If we are talking about authority... objectively, I would have more authority because you lived here for a year, if even, back in 2009-2010? And Gamla has never lived here so what authority does he have?

Regardless, I still stand by my objective observation that the promotion of Sweden and information put out by Sweden.se has a disconnect and downplays realities that many many many immigrants face.

And that website is funded by the government through tax money money money.
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Bsmith
post 28.May.2019, 03:13 PM
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GH's observations come from a different angle than yours but are no less legitimate. You, with your inflated ego, have a difficult time recognizing that.
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Saywhatwhat
post 28.May.2019, 07:41 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 28.May.2019, 04:13 PM) *
GH's observations come from a different angle than yours but are no less legitimate. You, with your inflated ego, have a difficult time recognizing that.


I never said they aren’t legitimate. I’m sure he can justify all his beliefs, well maybe not since you speak for them. They are legitimate in that he has conviction. Just as flat earthers hold a legitimate opinion that the earth is flat.

Inflated ego? You are the one going ad hominem cuckoo and policing every post of mine.

But yeah, “living in sweden” through the local forum totally makes Gamla an authority... please Gamla, let’s hear of your experiences living in Sweden. Where have you formed your opinions of contemporary Sweden?

Regardless, I still stand by my objective observation that the promotion of Sweden and information put out by Sweden.se has a disconnect and downplays realities that many many many immigrants AND Swedes face.

And that website is funded by the government through tax money money money. So, that seems like a legitimate government source.

So, what do you have to say Gamla? Are you able to respond to my original rebuttal... post 2? There are no attacks here. Just discussion. Trying to figure out how and why you don’t see the disconnect.

It’s just bsmith here trying to cast his shadow on everything while
up on his high horse.
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intrepidfox
post 28.May.2019, 07:42 PM
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QUOTE (Bsmith @ 28.May.2019, 03:13 PM) *
GH's observations come from a different angle than yours but are no less legitimate. You, with your inflated ego, have a difficult time recognizing that.


But he has never lived here. Any input about Sweden is irrelevant from him. For once i agree with Saywhatwhat
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Saywhatwhat
post 28.May.2019, 07:47 PM
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QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 28.May.2019, 08:42 PM) *
But he has never lived here. Any input about Sweden is irrelevant from him. For once i agree with Saywhatwhat


Hey, thanks fox.

That’s all I’m getting at. It’s like someone who watches boxing on tv telling a professional boxer they don’t know what they are talking about.

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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 28.May.2019, 07:54 PM
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I think that no one should be allowed to speak about anything that happened before they were born...after all...they did not experience it!!! laugh.gif
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Bsmith
post 28.May.2019, 10:23 PM
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QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 28.May.2019, 06:42 PM) *
But he has never lived here. Any input about Sweden is irrelevant from him. For once i agree with Saywhatwhat


It's not that I don't agree with what you say, it is just that Saywhat is such a rude, bully that I take umbrage with how he treats people.

Nevertheless, even if GH has never lived in Sweden, his opinion is still valid as, in Sweden, image is everything. The number-crunchers at TL are probably even more interested in his opinion than ours.
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Saywhatwhat
post 28.May.2019, 11:03 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.May.2019, 08:54 PM) *
I think that no one should be allowed to speak about anything that happened before they were born...after all...they did not experience it!!! laugh.gif


This is incorrect for many reasons... for one, we all experience the repercussions of past events.



QUOTE (Bsmith @ 28.May.2019, 11:23 PM) *
It's not that I don't agree with what you say, it is just that Saywhat is such a rude, bully that I take umbrage with how he treats people. Nevertheless, even if GH h ... (show full quote)



Please tell me, specifically, how I have been rude? Because it seems like you bully me over my opinions that differ from yours. I find that rude.

It is well known that Gamla has never lived in Sweden. For him to be in utter disbelief that those living in Sweden don’t all see it as Sweden sees itself... well, that is rude and ignorant.

Here’s a simple example of the disconnect, a well known one too. Swedish govt deems itself humanitarian super power (look up Margot wallstrom for this) On this base, they welcome refugees to come and live in Sweden. A lot of people in Sweden say this is not a good idea. Fast forward after all (relative) hell breaks loose. This humanitarian superpower will deport many people for mistakes employers made with insurance, salary, etc... yet they can’t be brought to deport F...ing Isis members, they have one of the highest amount of islamophobic incidents per capita, the housing market is not good at all, schools, medical care, all downhill... largely due to the population boom.... brought on by the humanitarian superpower.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 28.May.2019, 11:18 PM
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I laugh at all the people who say such definitive things about my life, history and any and all things related to me...

Who told you???

How did you find it out???

You know more about me than I do!! laugh.gif

Your idiocy will not cause me to reply as I am enjoying so, much the truth about my life as told by you...

Now I have a challenge for you smartass motherf22kers!!!

Who are my GrandParents???

I can't remember...tell me even if you have to invent them to legitimize all the things you know about me so I can rest easy in the knowledge that all you say is true...Can you??? angry.gif
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