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Looking for grandfather's birthplace

Where is Forsa, Hälsingland?

Jeepili
post 14.Sep.2012, 07:31 PM
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Hej,
I have been working on my family tree and found out that my grandfather (morfar) was born in Forsa, Hälsingland, Sweden. I tried looking it up on Google Earth but not having any success. I can find Hälsingland. Can anyone tell me where Forsa is? Is it a village or just a region? Is there an American equivalent of what the place is i.e. town, county, boonies, etc. Tack!
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intrepidfox
post 14.Sep.2012, 07:40 PM
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Here´s the link- It´s letter A on the map.

http://maps.google.se/maps?q=Forsa&sug...sa=N&tab=wl
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PDX
post 14.Sep.2012, 07:48 PM
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QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 14.Sep.2012, 08:40 PM) *
Here´s the link- It´s letter A on the map.

Not, it is not, as that is obviously not in Hälsingland. The Forsa that the original poster is looking for is near Hudiksvall, see the attached picture.

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post 14.Sep.2012, 07:53 PM
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Oh, and regarding the question on the designation, it is a "Postort", meaning "Post town", i.e. a place with its own postal code. Perhaps corresponding to a "suburb" or "district" in the USA ?

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postort

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post_town

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Garry Jones
post 14.Sep.2012, 08:00 PM
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In 1952 the hamlets of Forsa och Hög became the kommun (council, municipality) of Forsa.

Then in 1971 Forsa Kommun became part of Hudiksvalls council

So when checking you will be looking pre-1952. Therefore you have to distinquish between the hamlets of Hög and Forsa

Swedish links
Forsa as a hamlet - pre 1952
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsa_socken
Forsa as a kommun 1952-1971
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsa_landskommun
Forsa as part of Hudiksvall
http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudiksvalls_kommun

(Hamlet = Socken)

His birth records will be kept locally and may be available online.

His parents (if they died in Sweden) are probably buried in Forsa Church. His grandparents are very likely to be there.

http://sv.wikipedia.org/wiki/Forsa_kyrka

A google street view of the church and cemetery.

http://goo.gl/maps/mg49S

If you pm me any details you have I can look more closely at the Swedish family tree site. I might be able to find some relatives in Sweden for you. I have a CD with every death recorded in Sweden from 1856-2010.

Can you send me
Date of birth.
Date of emigration

If he was a child when he emigrated its likely the entire family did so. Otherwise his brothers and sisters could well still be around here.

Depending upon when records were written the terms will mean different things.
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Garry Jones
post 14.Sep.2012, 08:13 PM
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I have the records for for births, deaths and marriages in Forsa Church.

Send me (pm if u want) everything you have and I'll check
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Willy
post 14.Sep.2012, 08:36 PM
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QUOTE (Garry Jones @ 14.Sep.2012, 08:00 PM) *
(Hamlet = Socken)

I'd translate socken as parish.
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Garry Jones
post 14.Sep.2012, 08:44 PM
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... interesting. I beg to differ.

From Wiki (No Swedish button available)
A hamlet is a type of settlement. The definition of hamlet varies by country. It usually refers to a small settlement in a rural area, or a component of a larger settlement or municipality. Hamlets are typically unincorporated communities.

From Wiki (No English button available)
Socken (fornsvenska sokn, danska och bokmål sogn, nynorska sokn) var i Norden ett administrativt område bestående av flera intilliggande byar och tätorter, men omfattade inte städer. I Sverige betecknade ordet ursprungligen en församling i Svenska kyrkan (kyrksocken) som inte var stad. På 1500-talet infördes sockenbegreppet även som enhet för fastighetsredovisningen (jordebokssocken, senare jordregistersocken). Kyrksocknen och jordebokssocknen var i princip detsamma, men eftersom de var olika myndigheters grundläggande enheter, kom de att uppvisa olikheter men harmoniserades 1882.

So I'd say...
Kyrksocken = Parish = Connected to the church
Socken = Hamlet = Not necessarily connected to the church-

The jury's out on this one...

However, Församling (Swedish Wiki) has an English button which connects to Parish (English Wiki).

In Godless places a socken was not a församling. In religious places a församling was a parish was a socken. Most of Norrland (Saami) has never believed in God or Jesus and there were few "församling" but many sockens which can only be id'd as hamlets.
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PDX
post 14.Sep.2012, 08:46 PM
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QUOTE (Garry Jones @ 14.Sep.2012, 09:44 PM) *
... interesting. I beg to differ.

But...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parishes_of_Sweden

says parish = socken (historically) ...

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Garry Jones
post 14.Sep.2012, 09:06 PM
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Kyrksocken, yes, (A Church Socken) is a parish. But a parish is always part of a church, a socken does not need to be.
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Jeepili
post 14.Sep.2012, 09:09 PM
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Thanks for all of the replies. Very interesting so far. It helps explaining why I has so much difficulty.
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Willy
post 14.Sep.2012, 11:57 PM
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QUOTE (Garry Jones @ 14.Sep.2012, 08:44 PM) *
... interesting. I beg to differ. From Wiki (No Swedish button available)A hamlet is a type of settlement. The definition of hamlet varies by country. It usually refers to a s ... (show full quote)

I get you point about a parish being tied to the church, but I don't see why hamlet would be a better translation. From that very page, a hamlet is traditionally a settlement smaller than a village, that doesn't have a church of it's own. A socken is not a single settlement, it's an area and can contain any number of settlements: villages, hamlets and single farms (the latter common in Sweden after the land reforms of the 18th/19th centuries). It does have a church, as it stems from the same division as the parshes of the Church of Sweden. They functioned as a small kommun. Call it a civil parish if you like.

QUOTE (Garry Jones @ 14.Sep.2012, 08:44 PM) *
In Godless places a socken was not a församling. In religious places a församling was a parish was a socken. Most of Norrland (Saami) has never believed in God or Jesus and ... (show full quote)

Saami not being very religious?! I think you should read up on Laestadianism... smile.gif
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Johno
post 15.Sep.2012, 09:31 AM
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Not the first time Gary has been stuck on the finer meaning of words in this connection. Socken is parish. Not even village and certainly not hamlet. Socken and församling are synonymous in this respect in all my family history research, the use depending on period. All simple dictionaries just translate socken as parish and if you want to be thorough check it out in
http://g3.spraakdata.gu.se/saob/index.html.

"The jury's out on this one..." ... only with you.
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Garry Jones
post 15.Sep.2012, 10:09 AM
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Socken is quite often referred to as hamlet and parish as församling.

Socken is - as others have pointed out - also often translated as parish. There are also references to jordbrukssocken and kyrksocken.

I have studied the British Iron Age (1200bc to 400ad). The word hamlet/socken is often used to described where people lived. As this was (mainly) pre Christ the word Parish/församling is not found.

Be that as it may I doube the OP wanted to trace his hereditary back to the hamlets of Iron Age Britain.
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Jeepili
post 15.Sep.2012, 06:01 PM
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QUOTE
Be that as it may I doube the OP wanted to trace his hereditary back to the hamlets of Iron Age Britain.

Actually that would be cool. biggrin.gif
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