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Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 09:08 PM

I will try to post as many articles in this thread, showing an idea what it means housing in sweden and the precarious rental market that is going on in sweden where people live in short term accommodation of 1 year or less contracts and in order to have better rental security they need to join a massive queue that can takes 5 to 10 years.

Of course, you will never hear too much about that subject because they need to keep it quiet otherwise nobody will move to sweden. Specially second hand rentals are precarious and prone to scams with fake contracts and overpriced rentals.

Believe me any links I post can't make it any justice to what is actually happening in sweden.

The Misery of Finding an Apartment in Stockholm
http://lostinstockholm.com/2010/11/15/the-misery-of-finding-an-apartment-in-stockholm/

Housing queue now '20 years' in parts of capital
https://www.thelocal.se/20150130/insecure-a...ers-on-the-rise

Sweden and its famous queue for rentals in some areas 20 year queue!!!.
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20160517-...ver-find-a-home

This is an article from 2010!!!.
Billions more needed to rid housing shortage
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s...&hl=Housing

20,000 students without housing in Sweden
https://www.thelocal.se/20150709/20000-stud...using-in-sweden


This one from 2010!!
Student housing shortage worse than ever
https://www.thelocal.se/20100723/27966

225,000 Gothenburgers in the queue for ‘long-term’ housing
http://gothenburg-400.com/225000-gothenbur...g-term-housing/

A roof over your head – the face of the housing crisis
http://news.cision.com/fotografiska/r/a-ro...crisis,c2551550

Sweden's rental market has been turned into a board game – and playing it will make you terrified
https://nordic.businessinsider.com/real-lif...ou-terrified--/

This one is the most interesting of all... This article was from july.
Goldman Sachs says Swedish property market heading for worst crash since 1990s banking crisis
https://medium.com/scandieland/goldman-sach...is-b16a215413ea

Posted by: SmokerT69 24.Jul.2018, 09:37 PM

Yea, housing is handled very strange here in Sweden. My wife has been in the queue system for over a year now and still doesn't have enough points to ever get first choice on a place. Her uncle just bought an apartment instead of waiting as he moved from another city. But hey, at least they're affordable. In my country you can find an apartment just by going online or talking to friends or Co workers. But they're very expensive, our apartment was a 1 bedroom with a living room and kitchen room. That was 2,000$ US a month XD Another 400$ for electrical and 110$ for 8Mb internet lol.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 10:04 PM

QUOTE (SmokerT69 @ 24.Jul.2018, 10:37 PM) *
Yea, housing is handled very strange here in Sweden. My wife has been in the queue system for over a year now and still doesn't have enough points to ever get first choice on a place. Her uncle just bought an apartment instead of waiting as he moved from another city. But hey, at least they're affordable. In my country you can find an apartment just by going online or talking to friends or Co workers. But they're very expensive, our apartment was a 1 bedroom with a living room and kitchen room. That was 2,000$ US a month XD Another 400$ for electrical and 110$ for 8Mb internet lol.



In Spain I go to a website among the dozens available. I don't have to pay anything at all to become a member, not monthly fee, nada. I call the landlord, there is no 100+ per apartment or anything like that. I can get 1 year contract that is extended indefinitely. Not like in sweden where most second hand rentals are 1 year or less in most cases.
In Spain There are plenty of long term rentals, no queues, no recommendation letters, no black market.

It might take 1 month tops but I get a long term place and if you want to live outside the city then it is even cheaper, I can pay €300 for 70m2 in my country outside the city. No stresses because it is not short term second hand like in sweden.

As you can see I come from a relatively poor region of Spain, despite it I have never heard of queues or housing shortages as I see in Sweden.

Now we are having some issues due to excess of turists but the situation won't get to the levels of sweden. We are not like them.

Never had to pay in order to see apartments.
If I want to buy an apartment in Spain, it is first to come first to get it. No private auditions like in sweden where price get hiked.

In Sweden I talk to second hand landlords who tell me they get 100+ emails per apartment and they can't simply reply them all. The tell me the situation is very serious and people have to leave sweden because the can't find rental and despite I don't have many friends I hear many times of people paying for a first hand rental to skip the queue. That is the black market.

I am sorry but the stuff I see in sweden, I have never experienced in Spain ever in my life.

Swedes are constantly reminding me that they are a superior culture that their system is better. But then I struggle to find accommodation even outside the city, I am still in the queue to find an apartment after more than 3 years!!.

My family in Spain can't believe it, they think I am joking. They are not rich or posh and despite it they never heard of queues for rentals or second hand market.

Sweden is marketing. The sweden we see on the documentaries has nothing to do with life in sweden for an immigrant. Life in sweden is TOUGH. Sweden is not an easy country and Spain despite the precarious job market is very easy to find a place and live there for a long time. Sweden is only excuses and restrictions.

Sweden is a country almost empty, and despite it we queue for apartments, I heard of people who had to queue to even get a parking spot!!!.

Spain sucks at jobs, really it does. In fact we have one of the most precarious job markets in Europe. But let me tell you, I don't see the fakery, the arrogance, the cynical attitude I see in sweden.

If I was rich I wouldn't live in sweden. Because this is passive repression. Sometimes I feel like if sweden was some sort of passive dictatorship were nobody is free to be themselves. Where somehow we are being watched for everything we do.


People can think whatever they want. Sweden is quiet and nice because it's nature everywhere but the system is a prison, there is no mobility for anything.

Sorry, I wish I could be more positive. Worst part is I spent €20000 in this country because we got a job and we didn't know about the housing thing. My partner spent a lot of money trying to find second hand... Crazy stuff.

But nobody will ever report what's actually happening in sweden. Hypocrisy.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 24.Jul.2018, 10:10 PM

When a new child is born, Swedes put the childs name on the waiting list.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 24.Jul.2018, 10:13 PM

Why on earth did you choose Sweden rather than the UK? Some of us have made the same comments here for at least 10 years - didn't you do any research?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Jul.2018, 10:21 PM

QUOTE (Cheeseroller @ 24.Jul.2018, 11:13 PM) *
Why on earth did you choose Sweden rather than the UK? Some of us have made the same comments here for at least 10 years - didn't you do any research?


Because the job was in sweden. That's the only reason.

We never thought it was this hard to find apartment let alone we had no idea about the second hand market. Also let's be honest there is barely no info about what actually is second hand rentals. That's why sweden keep it so quiet about it.

I am thinking moving to the UK but I need to save money, find a job there. Also brexit is coming so more uncertainty.

I only see restrictions in sweden. Way too many. housing, excuses with jobs, it's just for the hype sweden has, living in sweden is way too difficult unless you are rich and can buy an apartment.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Jul.2018, 10:22 PM

Some people think they can leave their country and...Bring it with them!!!

When they realize they cannot they post here!!!

Posted by: Cheeseroller 24.Jul.2018, 10:24 PM

Sod off Gamla. You didn't more to Sweden and you have no idea how it is to live there.

Posted by: Cheeseroller 24.Jul.2018, 10:32 PM

Well, my advice pepitoAndalucia is to get out as soon as you can. I stayed for 14 years for family reasons and now I have my life back again.

Try to find work where you can work anywhere and sell your service or product online. Then you have real freedom.

We are thinking to buy a retirement apartment in Spain and maybe to make a business there - salaries are low and you can hire very talented and motivated people. Like France and Italy, people know how to live and smell the roses.

The Uk will not disappear because of Brexit. The main issue for you will be how they manage EU citizens, but if you leave it too late then you may not get in.

The housing situation there if you want to buy is shitty too, and there is little protection from landlords. So you can find that you have to move every 6 months.

But in the UK, everyone is judged on what they can do. Many immigrants made a lot of money and successful companies - unlike in Sweden where you will hit glass ceilings.

If you could learn German, consider there - they are so afraid of their past that they give immigrants from the EU lots of possibilities. But this does depend on what job you want to do - many require a German apprenticeship.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Jul.2018, 10:34 PM

"Sod off Gamla."



No!!!

I won't do that!!!

The point is that a lot of posters here don't realize the difference between countries and think that where they were is the same everywhere else...And sadly it is not...

Naturally, they are not happy but why blame Sweden for being different from which they came???

You yourself were not happy in Sweden and left...To me that is admirable, but to stay and blame others for what you "thought" Sweden was like is not a way to find happiness...

Posted by: Cheeseroller 24.Jul.2018, 10:50 PM

As you have not emigrated to Sweden and don't even live in Europe, let me explain.

If as a European you move to Italy, Spain, France or Germany, you can expect to need to learn the language, but as a European you also expect to be treated in a fair way. That is what Europe, like the USA is all about.

The problem is that Sweden does not obey normal rules or preconceptions. Worse it promotes itself as a humanitarian and open, modern country but in reality what the government projects is not the reality or position of the average Swede

So people move to this country. At first they think that their failure to advance is due to language. So they spend 4 or 5 years to become near fluent, to then realise that they cannot advance or get a job.

Why do you think that such bitterness exists in this forum, compared to the local in German where people bitch, but are overall happy?

So please do not tell us, who went through the shit - what Sweden is or not. Or that we should have done x, y or z. Swedes are fucked and when they are pissed, many will admit it.

They are the Japanese of Europe and no-one else will really understand them.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Jul.2018, 11:30 PM

I am not "telling" anything to anyone...

The harsh realities of life are really plain and simple, the grass is greener, etc.. NOT!!!

But some here when they realize what they have ventured into, reality becomes apparent and they denigrate the people and the country that they themselves chose to become part of because it is not like where they came from...

People who have been successful in their acceptance of the way things really are and are getting along and happily adjust to their new home do not post here...

Posted by: Bsmith 24.Jul.2018, 11:56 PM

To assume that Sweden is like the rest of Europe is off base. In fact, this whole EU thing has been doomed from the start because the Germans don't trust the Poles, the Poles don't trust the Germans, the Spaniards are lazy, the Greeks are worse, the Italians are crooks, the French don't like anybody, etc...

Each country has its own traditions and predjudices that date way,way back and are not changed easily. That's why this New World Order, One World crap is never gonna fly IMHO.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Jul.2018, 12:14 AM

The proverbial wheel is turning...

The time of the worship of the ideals of multiculturalism, ethnic diversity, and the most offensive of all... political correctness will soon be replaced...

By what???

The old beliefs of nationalism, patriotism, history of who we are...

The unrest is everywhere, indications are becoming more prominent...it won't be easy, but it will happen...

Posted by: Gjeebes 25.Jul.2018, 06:23 AM

Gamla does oft spout to defend a system he doesn't know, doesn't understand and has little-to-no experience of.

It's his thing, it's what he does.

And this is a man who cultivates his "knowledge" of things from a fat stack of Reader's Digest, carefully placed next to his shitter, the special place his incontinence requires he spend most of his time.

Boring is as boring does.

Posted by: robbie1985 25.Jul.2018, 08:28 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Jul.2018, 10:08 PM) *
Of course, you will never hear too much about that subject because they need to keep it quiet otherwise nobody will move to sweden.


QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Jul.2018, 11:04 PM) *
But nobody will ever report what's actually happening in sweden. Hypocrisy.


Then posts 10 links to stories or articles about it.

I completely agree that the rental market here is a bad solution to the problem. In the UK where I came from, I could call an estate agent, arrange 5 viewings for this afternoon, and pick one to move into within a month. But here's the thing, I left that behind, this is the situation in Sweden, if it was a deal breaker I would go back, because I can. It's one bad thing amongst a few bad things about an otherwise amazing place to live. Work out your priorities bud, and then act on them. Don't spend your life whinging about shit you CAN change, change it.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 25.Jul.2018, 10:48 AM

QUOTE (robbie1985 @ 25.Jul.2018, 09:28 AM) *
Then posts 10 links to stories or articles about it.

I completely agree that the rental market here is a bad solution to the problem. In the UK where I came from, I could call an estate agent, arrange 5 viewings for this afternoon, and pick one to move into within a month. But here's the thing, I left that behind, this is the situation in Sweden, if it was a deal breaker I would go back, because I can. It's one bad thing amongst a few bad things about an otherwise amazing place to live. Work out your priorities bud, and then act on them. Don't spend your life whinging about shit you CAN change, change it.



Do you really think I haven't been trying to find a solution to that problem?. Seriously.

The solution is not as simple.

If you don't have the money to buy then things can be really tricky to survive in the swedish housing system.

If not a buyer then... You either queue or live in second hand.

I cannot change anything other than planning to move to another country.

When I repeat over and over that the swedish housing system is trap, it's because it's a trap, specially if you can't afford to buy.

There aren't too many options available.
- Queue for the first hand?.
- Second hand rental?.
- What else?.

I have tried to get in contact with the housing companies and they basically tell me to queue.
I recently talked with a swede who told me he sent a email to a housing company and he got the first hand contract without having to queue!!!. So clearly there is a double standard in sweden.

Second hand is short term rentals so the option in this case is to live like a nomad 6 months in one place and 6 months in another place hoping that the owner extends the contract to 1 year.


So this is a very well organized scheme.

Believe me I try every day to find a solution but it's only difficulties. Housing is key and they give it as a premium services in sweden and the reason is very obvious.

Posted by: intrepidfox 25.Jul.2018, 12:39 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 25.Jul.2018, 10:48 AM) *
Do you really think I haven't been trying to find a solution to that problem?. Seriously.

The solution is not as simple.

If you don't have the money to buy then things can be really tricky to survive in the swedish housing system.

If not a buyer then... You either queue or live in second hand.

I cannot change anything other than planning to move to another country.

When I repeat over and over that the swedish housing system is trap, it's because it's a trap, specially if you can't afford to buy.

There aren't too many options available.
- Queue for the first hand?.
- Second hand rental?.
- What else?.

I have tried to get in contact with the housing companies and they basically tell me to queue.
I recently talked with a swede who told me he sent a email to a housing company and he got the first hand contract without having to queue!!!. So clearly there is a double standard in sweden.

Second hand is short term rentals so the option in this case is to live like a nomad 6 months in one place and 6 months in another place hoping that the owner extends the contract to 1 year.


So this is a very well organized scheme.

Believe me I try every day to find a solution but it's only difficulties. Housing is key and they give it as a premium services in sweden and the reason is very obvious.


The renting system is difficult here. I know many Swedes that are on the waiting list including my step daughter (she lives with us). Many young adults have to live with their parents as they cannot rent. It´s not a Swede gets a flat, the foreigner doesn´t. Basically the stystem stinks

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 25.Jul.2018, 05:33 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 25.Jul.2018, 01:39 PM) *
The renting system is difficult here. I know many Swedes that are on the waiting list including my step daughter (she lives with us). Many young adults have to live with their parents as they cannot rent. It´s not a Swede gets a flat, the foreigner doesn´t. Basically the stystem stinks


I have a friend he is half swede half middle eastern, He still lives with his parents for the same reason. He has been in the queue for 6 years and nothing.

Then second hand is even worse. 6 months here, and then another 6 months in another place.

And I get the feeling it's getting worse. I hear people offering 18000sek for a second hand flat because they cannot find anything and are willing to pay any price.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Jul.2018, 05:37 PM

How many flats have you lived in???

Posted by: Apache001 25.Jul.2018, 06:46 PM

A population of just 10m people and they have this crazy housing problem and it’s nationwide...smh

Posted by: Svedallas 25.Jul.2018, 07:12 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Jul.2018, 11:21 PM) *
Because the job was in sweden. That's the only reason.

We never thought it was this hard to find apartment let alone we had no idea about the second hand market. Also let's be honest there is barely no info about what actually is second hand rentals. That's why sweden keep it so quiet about it.

I am thinking moving to the UK but I need to save money, find a job there. Also brexit is coming so more uncertainty.

I only see restrictions in sweden. Way too many. housing, excuses with jobs, it's just for the hype sweden has, living in sweden is way too difficult unless you are rich and can buy an apartment.


You're an idiot. That's why no-one will rent to you.

Posted by: Apache001 25.Jul.2018, 07:17 PM

@Svedallas then it means we have many idiots in Sweden who nobody wants to rent out to.
Next time learn to respond with your senses intact.

Posted by: intrepidfox 25.Jul.2018, 07:28 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 25.Jul.2018, 06:46 PM) *
A population of just 10m people and they have this crazy housing problem and it’s nationwide...smh


it´s not nationwide, only the big towns. If you want to commute everyday, then there are plenty of places to live

Posted by: Svedallas 25.Jul.2018, 07:29 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 25.Jul.2018, 08:17 PM) *
@Svedallas then it means we have many idiots in Sweden who nobody wants to rent out to.
Next time learn to respond with your senses intact.


No. This idiot is like Wallace.

Blaming an entire country for their problems.
There is a difference. This is a bashing idiot who hates sweden but wants an apartment, makes no sense.

I am irritated by the stupidity.
No-one is holding them with a gun to the head to stay.

Simply, leave.

Posted by: Apache001 25.Jul.2018, 07:37 PM

The housing queue and problem is nationwide in case anyone is wondering.
I’ve traveled a lot within Sweden and even the smallest villages of 30k people stay on queue for minimum of 3yrs.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 25.Jul.2018, 07:51 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 25.Jul.2018, 08:12 PM) *
You're an idiot. That's why no-one will rent to you.


5 star comment. With that logic no wonder why housing is such misery in this country.

I wonder where you left off the other side of your brain?.

European Commission urges Sweden to tackle housing crisis
https://www.thelocal.se/20170523/european-commission-urges-sweden-to-tackle-housing-crisis


Inside Sweden's housing crisis: when renovation means eviction
https://www.thelocal.se/20170209/inside-swedens-housing-crisis-when-renovation-means-eviction

How Sweden's housing crisis is fuelling homelessness
https://www.thelocal.se/20171209/how-swedens-housing-crisis-is-fuelling-homelessness

Housing crisis forces record number of young Swedes to live at home: report
https://www.thelocal.se/20170518/housing-crisis-forces-record-number-of-young-swedes-to-live-at-home-report

How Sweden's housing crisis is impacting domestic violence victims
https://www.thelocal.se/20170405/how-swedens-housing-crisis-is-impacting-domestic-violence-victims

Housing crisis limiting Sweden's growth
https://www.thelocal.se/20141125/housing-crisis-limiting-swedens-growth-prospects

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Jul.2018, 07:55 PM

Could it be a fiendish plot to stifle immigration??? unsure.gif

Posted by: Cheeseroller 25.Jul.2018, 07:57 PM

No, as others have said, it also affects Swedes. Just less so, because Swedes don't want to rent to immigrants. And frankly, after my experience of renting to a highly educated Syrian woman who worked for the WHO, with two teenagers, neither would I. Unless you want your bathroom modified behind your back, and have to hire professional cleaners.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 25.Jul.2018, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 25.Jul.2018, 08:28 PM) *
it´s not nationwide, only the big towns. If you want to commute everyday, then there are plenty of places to live



It's nationwide, it's everywhere. I recently met a guy who lived in a small town of just 40000 people and he told me the queues there are 5 years!!!.

As I have been saying the media, the system is hiding the problem, they don't want to say how big it is.

I look outside the cities even 3 hours away and there is NOTHING.

There is a list of towns and I check them all, like 25 of more and there is nothing available!!!. Sometimes only 1 or two apartments in the most isolated towns!!.

I am telling you the problem is worse than being told.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 25.Jul.2018, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 25.Jul.2018, 08:37 PM) *
The housing queue and problem is nationwide in case anyone is wondering.
I’ve traveled a lot within Sweden and even the smallest villages of 30k people stay on queue for minimum of 3yrs.



True, but if you complain energetically then you are an enemy of sweden who deserves be expelled from the country.

That's how problems are tackled in sweden, shut up and look down.

Read my previous post. I met people living in small towns of 40000 people and they have to wait 5 years too!!. just incredible.

What I find it really shocking is the silence about the subject on SVT. I watch the news and I cannot remember a single news regarding the subject. They only report when housing prices for buyers go up or down, but it seems everything seems fine for them regarding rentals. What I way to solve a problem!.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 25.Jul.2018, 08:11 PM

This is an article from 2010!!!.

8 years later... nothing has been done.

https://www.thelocal.se/20100928/29292
Quote:
More than a month after arriving in Sweden for the start of the academic year, many foreign students are still struggling to find permanent housing. Contributor Amy Keresztes, an American studying at Uppsala University, shares her tale of frustration.More than a month after arriving in Sweden for the start of the academic year, many foreign students are still struggling to find permanent housing. Contributor Amy Keresztes, an American studying at Uppsala University, shares her tale of frustration.More than a month after arriving in Sweden for the start of the academic year, many foreign students are still struggling to find permanent housing. Contributor Amy Keresztes, an American studying at Uppsala University, shares her tale of frustration.

I had been warned. “The system is impossible, even for us,” complained a native Swede who has been in the queue for the housing group Dombron for three years.




Even the CEO of Spotify can see it.

Spotify: 'Sweden is heading in the wrong direction'
https://www.thelocal.se/20160412/spotify-founders-sweden-is-heading-in-the-wrong-direction

"We are now therefore forced to state that if no changes are made, we must consider growing more in other countries instead of Sweden," they say in the letter, written in Swedish.


The pair pay special attention to the housing market in Stockholm, where property prices have shot up in recent years, while a divided rental market means that those without queuing points in the city's housing queue often have to take short, second-hand contracts at inflated prices.

Posted by: iamaho 25.Jul.2018, 08:13 PM

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/stockholm/rekordlang-bostadsko-600-000-personer-koar-for-en-hyresratt

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/jonkoping/rekordlang-bostadsko-hos-vatterhem

https://www.aftonbladet.se/ledare/a/VR3bvl/omojligt-for-fattiga-att-fa-en-egen-bostad

https://www.svd.se/dystra-beskedet--stockholms-bostadsko-bara-vaxer

https://24malmo.se/sa-lang-ar-bostadskon-i-malmo-stadsdel-for-stadsdel

https://www.metro.se/artikel/nya-rekordsiffror-närmare-600-000-i-stockholms-bostadskö

No one is hiding anything. Just because you can't read it, and rely exclusively on "the local" for your news, doesn't mean that it is not discussed in Swedish news.

And if you are willing to pay market rates (marknadshyra), then there is no queue.
https://www.hemhyra.se/nyheter/mycket-hoga-hyror-hoga-lagenheter/

The queue that you complain about is for rent-controlled apartments. Try looking for rent-controlled apartment in any city of the world, and see how long you need to wait to get one.

Posted by: Svedallas 25.Jul.2018, 08:55 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 25.Jul.2018, 09:11 PM) *
This is an article from 2010!!!.

8 years later... nothing has been done.

https://www.thelocal.se/20100928/29292
Quote:
More than a month after arriving in Sweden for the start of the academic year, many foreign students are still struggling to find permanent housing. Contributor Amy Keresztes, an American studying at Uppsala University, shares her tale of frustration.More than a month after arriving in Sweden for the start of the academic year, many foreign students are still struggling to find permanent housing. Contributor Amy Keresztes, an American studying at Uppsala University, shares her tale of frustration.More than a month after arriving in Sweden for the start of the academic year, many foreign students are still struggling to find permanent housing. Contributor Amy Keresztes, an American studying at Uppsala University, shares her tale of frustration.

I had been warned. “The system is impossible, even for us,” complained a native Swede who has been in the queue for the housing group Dombron for three years.




Even the CEO of Spotify can see it.

Spotify: 'Sweden is heading in the wrong direction'
https://www.thelocal.se/20160412/spotify-founders-sweden-is-heading-in-the-wrong-direction

"We are now therefore forced to state that if no changes are made, we must consider growing more in other countries instead of Sweden," they say in the letter, written in Swedish.


The pair pay special attention to the housing market in Stockholm, where property prices have shot up in recent years, while a divided rental market means that those without queuing points in the city's housing queue often have to take short, second-hand contracts at inflated prices.



This must be Wallace. Just different angle.
Sweden bashing again. Fuck off, wont you...

PATHETIC!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 12:01 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 25.Jul.2018, 09:55 PM) *
This must be Wallace. Just different angle.
Sweden bashing again. Fuck off, wont you...

PATHETIC!


I am posting facts about something that is affecting a lot of people. If you want to behave like a police then obviously sweden is not a free country.

Housing is a big problem whether a john doe like you wants to admit it or not. you won't change anything, I am making people aware by posting this. If you don't like to confront the truth then it's your problem.

One thing I notice among swedes is how quickly they get passive aggressive and try to isolate the guy who makes critics about sweden. Now I understand why sweden wins in all perception index. Simply because people are afraid of speaking their minds and given the real answer.

Question to a swede for a perception index poll:

- Are you happy?.
Answer:
- Sure, I took my prozac pill this morning.

Therefore scandinavians are the happiest on earth. ... biggrin.gif


If you don't like people exposing this joke called housing in sweden then call your politicians and tell them what are they doing with the taxes we all pay. Because sweden is the first or second country in the world with the highest taxes and I see very little in return other than having to queue for an apartment, in the "best country on earth". I can't believe swedes have the guts to say they are the best on earth.

You are like most swedes, you speak about tolerance and respect different opinions but then when confronted with real problems swedes get passive aggressive, socially isolate the guy who thinks different and want to shut up opposition.

You have ZERO arguments, while I have been exposing the problem again and again and again.

I am telling you this whole pyramid scheme will end in a major economic crisis and I think the average swede is so indoctrinated to believe they are the best that when it happens it will be worse than the 1990s crisis.


I think my country sucks at many things. Politicians are a joke, the job market is a deadend, salaries are almost slavery wages and we work 10 hours a day or more just to feed our families, but if you told me that you moved to Spain and thought that Spain is a disaster in terms of job market, I would never tell you that you hate Spain or you have a plan to bash against my country.

Maybe we are more tolerant to criticism when you guys get all the medals for things you are not ;-)

What surprises me the most about the swedish culture is their lack of tolerance to criticism. Sure it is easy to be tolerant when nobody says anything negative about your country but only saying you are the best and finest ;-)

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 26.Jul.2018, 05:56 PM

Pepito,

Calmese muchacho. You won't get answers here. And unless you get some satisfaction posting here... I can't see how this is any fun for you.

I don't say this to dismiss you, I say this out of concern for you. I can't change your situation, but I wish you inner peace during your time in Sweden. Like I said in another post, focus on the money, that's what you are here for. Fuck everyone and everything else.

Peace to you.

Posted by: Svedallas 26.Jul.2018, 06:10 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 26.Jul.2018, 01:01 AM) *
I am posting facts about something that is affecting a lot of people. If you want to behave like a police then obviously sweden is not a free country.

Housing is a big problem whether a john doe like you wants to admit it or not. you won't change anything, I am making people aware by posting this. If you don't like to confront the truth then it's your problem.

One thing I notice among swedes is how quickly they get passive aggressive and try to isolate the guy who makes critics about sweden. Now I understand why sweden wins in all perception index. Simply because people are afraid of speaking their minds and given the real answer.

Question to a swede for a perception index poll:

- Are you happy?.
Answer:
- Sure, I took my prozac pill this morning.

Therefore scandinavians are the happiest on earth. ... biggrin.gif


If you don't like people exposing this joke called housing in sweden then call your politicians and tell them what are they doing with the taxes we all pay. Because sweden is the first or second country in the world with the highest taxes and I see very little in return other than having to queue for an apartment, in the "best country on earth". I can't believe swedes have the guts to say they are the best on earth.

You are like most swedes, you speak about tolerance and respect different opinions but then when confronted with real problems swedes get passive aggressive, socially isolate the guy who thinks different and want to shut up opposition.

You have ZERO arguments, while I have been exposing the problem again and again and again.

I am telling you this whole pyramid scheme will end in a major economic crisis and I think the average swede is so indoctrinated to believe they are the best that when it happens it will be worse than the 1990s crisis.


I think my country sucks at many things. Politicians are a joke, the job market is a deadend, salaries are almost slavery wages and we work 10 hours a day or more just to feed our families, but if you told me that you moved to Spain and thought that Spain is a disaster in terms of job market, I would never tell you that you hate Spain or you have a plan to bash against my country.

Maybe we are more tolerant to criticism when you guys get all the medals for things you are not ;-)

What surprises me the most about the swedish culture is their lack of tolerance to criticism. Sure it is easy to be tolerant when nobody says anything negative about your country but only saying you are the best and finest ;-)


You are a miserable person.

Leave Sweden.

Posted by: vkaipetsky 26.Jul.2018, 09:05 PM

pepito, thank you very much for a candid report from the trenches.

Admirable behaviour in the face of passive-aggressive troll infestation too smile.gif

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 26.Jul.2018, 07:10 PM) *
You are a miserable person.

Leave Sweden.



That's a new low. How much lower can you fall?.

Miserable behavior is making people queue 5-10 years for an apartment, while the ones who can't afford to buy one live in short term second hand accommodation having to move every 6 months and then the same country that does all of that calls itself the best country on earth. That is MISERABLE and cynical.

You are brainwashed with their indoctrination.

It must hurt your butt that a guy from a country considered inferior is telling you your mighty sweden is playing dirty with housing.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Jul.2018, 09:31 PM

Again I ask, how many apartments have you lived in???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 09:39 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 26.Jul.2018, 10:31 PM) *
Again I ask, how many apartments have you lived in???


Why is that important for you?. Will it make it better or more acceptable?.

Posted by: iamaho 26.Jul.2018, 10:04 PM

Where do you get the idea that Swedes call their country the best in the world?

Does the government of Sweden advertise that on Spanish TV?

I don't ever recall seeing any news report of Sweden claiming they are the best country in the world.

This idea is only inside your warped demented mind.

No one told you to come to Sweden and no one is forcing you to stay. You made that choice yourself and you refuse to leave.

Stockholm syndrome anyone?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Jul.2018, 10:16 PM

Again I ask, how many apartments have you lived in???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 10:44 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 26.Jul.2018, 11:16 PM) *
Again I ask, how many apartments have you lived in???


Why would you want to know it?. Again I ask.

Look at the links I have posted, The problem is real. Unless you want to drive this conversation in another direction.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Jul.2018, 10:46 PM

It's not polite to answer a question with another question...

Again I ask, how many apartments have you lived in???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (iamaho @ 26.Jul.2018, 11:04 PM) *
Where do you get the idea that Swedes call their country the best in the world?

Does the government of Sweden advertise that on Spanish TV?

I don't ever recall seeing any news report of Sweden claiming they are the best country in the world.

This idea is only inside your warped demented mind.

No one told you to come to Sweden and no one is forcing you to stay. You made that choice yourself and you refuse to leave.

Stockholm syndrome anyone?


Yes you do. But as always it is easy to deny everything.

Sweden is a country where they spy on you behind your back. They share that info among them, and then they look the other way like nothing happened.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 10:52 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 26.Jul.2018, 11:46 PM) *
It's not polite to answer a question with another question...

Again I ask, how many apartments have you lived in???



Again, why would I have to tell you where and where not I have been?.

Where exactly do you want to drive this conversation?.

And does it change the facts?. Nope, The problem is real.

I guess this is sweden, everything always happens behind your back ;-)

Posted by: iamaho 26.Jul.2018, 11:00 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 26.Jul.2018, 11:47 PM) *
Yes you do. But as always it is easy to deny everything.

Sweden is a country where they spy on you behind your back. They share that info among them, and then they look the other way like nothing happened.


Lady, you really need to seek professional help.
You sound absolutely insane.

Show me the proof that the government of Sweden actively advertises that it is the best country in the world.

Until you can show that, everything is just inside your demented head.

But seriously. Get professional help.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (iamaho @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:00 AM) *
Lady, you really need to seek professional help.
You sound absolutely insane.

Show me the proof that the government of Sweden actively advertises that it is the best country in the world.

Until you can show that, everything is just inside your demented head.

But seriously. Get professional help.


Lady, I must tell you that for years your media advertises that. The problem is most likely your analytical and observation skills are poor. I am sorry I cannot help you.

I guess it is better to have a simplistic approach to life. At least you won't be aware of what's happening and therefore "Happier".

Ignorance is strength.

Posted by: iamaho 26.Jul.2018, 11:16 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:11 AM) *
For years your media advertises that. The problem is most likely your analytical and observation skills are poor. I am sorry I cannot help you.

I guess it is better to have a simplistic approach to life. At least you won't be aware of what's happening and therefore "Happier".

Ignorance is strength.


No media has advertised that. The government of Sweden has never advertised on TV or newspapers or magazines saying that Sweden is the best country in the world.


Every now and then, some magazines would make a ranking of "best country to live in" or "most livable city", but if you really believe in those "rankings", then it speaks of your level of intelligence.

Those rankings are no better than, which airline is the best in the world, or which mobile phone is best in the world. If you came to Sweden believing in that, you really should get your head checked.

Better yet, do it anyways because you clearly sound insane.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 11:20 PM

QUOTE (vkaipetsky @ 26.Jul.2018, 10:05 PM) *
pepito, thank you very much for a candid report from the trenches.

Admirable behaviour in the face of passive-aggressive troll infestation too smile.gif



Different ideas or people who expose the real sweden always not only have to confront spying on their private lives behind their backs but always attacks from the brainwashed group.

They are only brave behind your back. Where they share your private life and spread the rumors, then face to face they shit their pants unless they come 20 vs 1.

This a forum called "life in sweden". I will speak about the housing subject and any other subject because sweden is the most democratic and open country in the world, and the local or anybody will ever try to spy on a guy like me just because I am exposing their biggest pyramid scheme(sarcasm).

They can insult me, make fun of me, tell me any shit, spy on me... I will never stop. Because the truth cannot be hidden anymore about this lie.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (iamaho @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:16 AM) *
No media has advertised that. The government of Sweden has never advertised on TV or newspapers or magazines saying that Sweden is the best country in the world.


Every now and then, some magazines would make a ranking of "best country to live in" or "most livable city", but if you really believe in those "rankings", then it speaks of your level of intelligence.

Those rankings are no better than, which airline is the best in the world, or which mobile phone is best in the world. If you came to Sweden believing in that, you really should get your head checked.

Better yet, do it anyways because you clearly sound insane.


As I said yes they do and it's been constant.

It's actually one of the things about the swedish mindset.

"Sweden is the best". that is in the pop culture of sweden.

You surprise me for your poor analytical skills. That's A,B,C thing. It's just basic observation skills.

Being an intelligent/aware person is tough because not everybody can be at my same level, but equally tougher is being a fool who cannot see even the simplest things.

Posted by: iamaho 26.Jul.2018, 11:31 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:24 AM) *
As I said yes they do and it's been constant.

It's actually one of the things about the swedish mindset.

"Sweden is the best". that is in the pop culture of sweden.

You surprise me for your poor analytical skills. That's A,B,C thing. It's just basic observation skills.

Being an intelligent/aware person is tough because not everybody can be at my same level, but equally tougher is being a fool who cannot see even the simplest things.


You have not been able to provide one shred of evidence that I have asked for.

You keep saying, yes Sweden claims they are the best. But you cannot prove it!! Show me the advertising, show me the commercial!

You are a demented woman. Seriously. Get some professional help. Don't you realize that you sound absolutely insane?

A few posts ago, you said that the Swedes don't discuss the housing problems. I provided several links from various Swedish news organizations discussing it and reporting about it.

I provided facts. You just make things up.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Jul.2018, 11:38 PM

QUOTE (iamaho @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:31 AM) *
You have not been able to provide one shred of evidence that I have asked for.

You keep saying, yes Sweden claims they are the best. But you cannot prove it!! Show me the advertising, show me the commercial!

You are a demented woman. Seriously. Get some professional help. Don't you realize that you sound absolutely insane?

A few posts ago, you said that the Swedes don't discuss the housing problems. I provided several links from various Swedish news organizations discussing it and reporting about it.

I provided facts. You just make things up.


You have provided zero fact I am wrong.

You are just a smooth bully, degrading my comments. A hypocrite like many in sweden, claiming to be top of the world 24/7 everywhere like a compulsive narcissist and then when confronted you just run away denying everything... How brave.


Me a woman?... Passive aggressive anyone?!. LOL. I guess the swedish way...

Every gem of comments like yours proves sweden is the most dishonest country I have ever seen in my life. and so so hypocritical. At least be brave enough... Seriously. Don't behave like sneaky people.

EDIT:

It took me one minute.

Sweden is world’s best country. From SVT ;-)
https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?programid=2054&artikel=6445948

Another from a nordic publication.

Sweden is the best in the world at pretty much everything
https://nordic.businessinsider.com/heres-everything-that-sweden-is-the-best-in-the-world-at--and-its-a-whole-lot-2017-6/

Posted by: iamaho 26.Jul.2018, 11:47 PM

One is based on a Nordic magazine.
The other is based on some guy who created a website called the "good country index"

This is hardly any advertising from the government of Sweden to various news outlets around the world, buying air time on TV stations and billboards all around the world proclaiming that Sweden is the best, and tempting people to move here.

Post #33
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s=&showtopic=92515&view=findpost&p=933197

Care you respond to that?
You said that Sweden hides the housing problem. I have given proof that it is discussed openly.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 26.Jul.2018, 11:48 PM

QUOTE (iamaho @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:00 AM) *
Lady, you really need to seek professional help.
You sound absolutely insane.

Show me the proof that the government of Sweden actively advertises that it is the best country in the world.

Until you can show that, everything is just inside your demented head.

But seriously. Get professional help.


I wouldnt say best but...

Google, moving to Sweden, and it kind of looks like it's been scrubbed by the board of tourism or something. The international image, that is cracking, is not entirely Sweden's fault but they don't do anything to stop how it's been perpetuated.

I'm from the states and other than this idea that Sweden is a magical place where the social system really works for the people, those legally registered there by whatever means, the only things I ever really heard about for what's going on in Sweden, recently, is when the Swedish democrat showed up in some traditional outfit to a parliament meeting, and then that they took in a lit of refugees. First thing I thought, whatever, second thing I thought, oh, I hope they know what they got into.

Iamaho, nice name by the way, did you ever wonder why so many refugees and "refugees" came to Sweden? Maybe because the system gives away a lot of free shit to Swedes and non Swedes alike off the taxpayers back. And then it fucks over immigrants who are just trying to honestly work in a better condition than home. Or even people moving for family and love.

There is definitely a feeling one gets when faced with integration hardships anywhere but in Sweden, when faced with hardships as an immigrant there is a vibe of suspicion and distrust. It can create a pattern in an immigrants life because when just trying to establish oneself you can be faced with distrust and suspicion, hell, discrimination. And this can happen more often than not than meeting help and understanding. Which was a vibe for refugees fir a while, but no more.

All this is evident from the current hot topic in Sweden, yes elsewhere but were talking about sweden. And there would never be this situation if Sweden didn't project itself as a place where everyone gets down on social benefits like cocaine at an 80's yuppy party.

So take it easy on Pepito. Their story is not unique, unfortunately, and they share a real side of Sweden. Their anger is just.

Sorry for the rant

Posted by: Bsmith 26.Jul.2018, 11:50 PM

Taking a break from all the mudslinging...yes, there are difficulties in Sweden. The housing market is one, the job market is another. But, obviously people are moving to Sweden and I read their posts nearly every day on this site. So it must be working out for somebody.

No one is forcing people to move to Sweden. If you are considering such a move, do your homework and see if it might be for you. And if you do come, and it is not to your liking, stand up, brush the dust from your feet and move on to a better situation.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 26.Jul.2018, 11:57 PM

Half asleep by the way, but I would definitely add that Sweden is thought of as, "a country that works"... I feel like this is often advertised.

Just google or use brains to think if you've heard that in common Swedish rhetoric, even if something similar.

I feel you allllways hear their social system is the best. But honestly, it just keeps people floating, some treading necessary.

Posted by: gsurya 27.Jul.2018, 06:41 PM

I agree that anyone who intends to stay in Sweden for any decent length of time will need to buy an apartment. Even if it is risky these days to do so before one gets his/her PUT.

I have taken the plunge and bought a new apartment which will be ready only April 2019. And my 2 year visa comes up for renewal in Oct 2019... unsure.gif

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Jul.2018, 07:31 PM

QUOTE (gsurya @ 27.Jul.2018, 07:41 PM) *
I agree that anyone who intends to stay in Sweden for any decent length of time will need to buy an apartment. Even if it is risky these days to do so before one gets his/her PUT.

I have taken the plunge and bought a new apartment which will be ready only April 2019. And my 2 year visa comes up for renewal in Oct 2019... unsure.gif



The problem is rental market is nonexistent.

Second hand is not supposed to be for too long only 6 months or one year top.

First hand even if you get one you can only switch with someone else, you cannot leave and move to a new one, you need to do a byte with another person. The most crazy system.

In Spain there are more options. I never heard of second hand rentals until I arrived to sweden. Because there you can live in a rental for years and we don't queue.

In Spain you don't need to buy in order to have a stable place. In Sweden buying or queuing for first hand is the only way to avoid having a stressful life. And even switching from first hand to another is not as simple.

In Sweden the only choice for people who cannot afford to buy is wait for the first hand and your personal life can change due to personal events. You can separate and else and have to move and the options available are very very limited.

I am now in the process I need to find another apartment and It is very difficult, full of obstacles, bureaucracy and a massive lack of rentals. It's like a small jail.

So what I find it really cynical is when people tell me there is no problem in sweden regarding housing. When the market is exclusively for buyers.

If you live 6 months in sweden then you won't notice anything wrong. But for anyone longer than 1 year, things can be very stressful.

In Spain I never saw what I see in sweden in regards to housing. NEVER.

Swedes are disconnected because they have normalized the situation and think their situation is the norm everywhere. When it's simply not true.

Posted by: wallace1837 27.Jul.2018, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (iamaho @ 27.Jul.2018, 12:00 AM) *
Show me the proof that the government of Sweden actively advertises that it is the best country in the world.

https://sweden.se/

Posted by: gsurya 27.Jul.2018, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 27.Jul.2018, 06:31 PM) *
In Spain I never saw what I see in sweden in regards to housing. NEVER.


Spain was the other extreme allowing even foreigners to buy multiple properties with loans, hence you had that massive real estate crash a few years ago.

Sweden is too conservative, hence such a massive crash is unlikely due to the state throttling the real estate market.

But this also causes prices for both purchases and rentals to rise artificially, creating a bubble...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Jul.2018, 08:09 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 27.Jul.2018, 08:54 PM) *
https://sweden.se/



Did you find anything about the second hand rentals and the queues on that website?. ;-)

Posted by: iamaho 27.Jul.2018, 08:23 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 27.Jul.2018, 08:54 PM) *
https://sweden.se/


Where exactly in that website does the Swedish government claim that "WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!"??

It is an information page, highlighting the positive aspect of Sweden. What other government does not have that?

https://www.deutschland.de/en
https://www.iceland.is
https://www.taiwan.gov.tw
https://www.newzealand.com
https://www.australia.gov.au

But it's interesting that Sweden.se does have a page saying that housing is competitive and difficult to find housing:

1. Find a home
Get started on finding a home as soon as possible, especially if you’ll be living in a big city like Stockholm, Gothenburg or Malmö. The housing market can be quite competitive, making it relatively difficult to find housing.


https://sweden.se/society/10-steps-for-planning-your-move-to-sweden/

Posted by: wallace1837 27.Jul.2018, 09:03 PM

QUOTE (iamaho @ 27.Jul.2018, 09:23 PM) *
Where exactly in that website does the Swedish government claim that "WE ARE THE BEST COUNTRY IN THE WORLD!!"??

It is an information page, highlighting the positive aspect of Sweden. What other government does not have that?

https://www.deutschland.de/en
https://www.iceland.is
https://www.taiwan.gov.tw
https://www.newzealand.com
https://www.australia.gov.au

But it's interesting that Sweden.se does have a page saying that housing is competitive and difficult to find housing:

1. Find a home
Get started on finding a home as soon as possible, especially if you’ll be living in a big city like Stockholm, Gothenburg or Malmö. The housing market can be quite competitive, making it relatively difficult to find housing.


https://sweden.se/society/10-steps-for-planning-your-move-to-sweden/

"Competitive" and "relatively difficult" are simply dishonest understatements.

Competitive is when there is a competition, not a queue!

Posted by: iamaho 27.Jul.2018, 09:31 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 27.Jul.2018, 10:03 PM) *
"Competitive" and "relatively difficult" are simply dishonest understatements.

Competitive is when there is a competition, not a queue!


You still have not given me proof that Sweden actively advertises that it is the best country in the world.

Show me the TV advertising, the webpage that explicitly claims that.

Can't find it? I am not surprised, because it's all in your head. People have a fantasy of Sweden, and they come here expecting that fantasy world to be true. Then comes the harsh reality.

This discussion is going around in circles. Get over it. Move on and move home!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Jul.2018, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (iamaho @ 27.Jul.2018, 10:31 PM) *
You still have not given me proof that Sweden actively advertises that it is the best country in the world.

Show me the TV advertising, the webpage that explicitly claims that.

Can't find it? I am not surprised, because it's all in your head. People have a fantasy of Sweden, and they come here expecting that fantasy world to be true. Then comes the harsh reality.

This discussion is going around in circles. Get over it. Move on and move home!


That's the core of swedish society. Do things covertly whether to sell, "Sweden is the best" or spy on an guy who criticizes sweden, everything in sweden is done like that. Covertly and then when confronted face to face the only thing they have to do is look the other way and pretend nothing is happening. Which is very common in sweden.

I can notice that mentality of "sweden the best" on media and the core ideology of sweden. Even going out and swedish women act differently as if they were an upper class. Almost from the beginning when I first arrived.

But the thing is showing you proof will take too long. But people with good analytical and observation skills can see it.

But swedes are good at looking the other way when a story is not convenient. Just look at this forum and their attitude when confronted with social problems.

Posted by: iamaho 27.Jul.2018, 10:24 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 27.Jul.2018, 11:09 PM) *
But the thing is showing you proof will take too long. But people with good analytical and observation skills can see it.


So you've got nothing. And it's all in your head.
Got it. Thanks for proving my point.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Jul.2018, 10:46 PM

Unhappy people post here...

It seems that they feel cheated and don't know how to get their money back...

Again...Swedes are also in "queue"...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Jul.2018, 10:59 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 27.Jul.2018, 11:46 PM) *
Unhappy people post here...

It seems that they feel cheated and don't know how to get their money back...

Again...Swedes are also in "queue"...


Hola Gamla!,

Actually you made a good point there.

"I don't know how to get my money back" hehehehe. Seriously spot on!.

I spent a lot of money in this country and paying a minimum of 30% tax for what?. To queue and having to do jugglery to find a new apartment?.

I cannot remember anything I got in return from the system. I have only paid taxes.

Sadly this man needs a job to pay a roof where to live and the food. You know, real world problems. ;-)

Me Sad?. Not actually, it's more frustration and disappointment unlike I have ever felt in very few moments in my life.


On the other hand...

Have you read my private messages?. Please reply, I got a strange feeling from your comment. The one you made and I am asking about it in my PM.

Don't be a gallina and reply back, please.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Jul.2018, 11:43 PM

Too late not interested anymore...

Posted by: Bsmith 27.Jul.2018, 11:44 PM

I, too, have always paid into the system and never collected any welfare or food assistance, or other government hand outs. However, my SFI class was free, we collected barnbidrag, drove on well maintained roads and were protected by the police and fire department, etc. I don't mind paying taxes if there is a return.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Jul.2018, 12:34 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 28.Jul.2018, 12:44 AM) *
I, too, have always paid into the system and never collected any welfare or food assistance, or other government hand outs. However, my SFI class was free, we collected barnbidrag, drove on well maintained roads and were protected by the police and fire department, etc. I don't mind paying taxes if there is a return.


I understand your point but overall for the taxes we pay, we get not so much unless parental leave.

Roads, police, healthcare that's the basic package every country has.
The road system in sweden is not anything above average, police are quitting in mass because they are not paid decently and they openly admit they don't have the resources to tackle the recent spike in crime, swedish military is not even among the top ten and recently firefighters were unable to extinguish the forest fires and needed help from other countries.

So we have overall pretty much standard package. Not much specially if you don't have any kids.

Posted by: Gjeebes 28.Jul.2018, 06:02 AM

Why need it be the Meatballian government? How about instead, they pay someone else to spread the bullshit?

"Sweden is the best in the world at pretty much everything"

https://nordic.businessinsider.com/heres-everything-that-sweden-is-the-best-in-the-world-at--and-its-a-whole-lot-2017-6/

You REALLY think this story wasn't paid for by the Meatballs?

There are loads of bullshit propaganda stories, fake news, if you will, bought and paid for by the Greasy Meatball.

Posted by: john.boy 28.Jul.2018, 09:35 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 28.Jul.2018, 01:34 AM) *
I understand your point but overall for the taxes we pay, we get not so much unless parental leave.

Your taxes do not pay parental leave.

Posted by: intrepidfox 28.Jul.2018, 09:43 AM

I agree that getting a flat is almost impossible. The local councils are not building rentals, just flats to buy which is totally crazy. Before there was in Göteborg an organisation called Bostadsförmedlingen which was a queue system but you did not have to wait too long. It´s not like today where the landlord can pick who they want.

Another problem is all of the asylum seekers. When they get the green light, it is the duty of the local council to give them accommodation. 134,000+ came and they all need some where to live. Unfortunately, the honest hard working people have to look for 2nd or 3rd hand rentals. It is wrong and it´s not just the people on TL that have this problem, it´s everybody.

Posted by: john.boy 28.Jul.2018, 09:54 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 25.Jul.2018, 11:48 AM) *
I have tried to get in contact with the housing companies and they basically tell me to queue.
I recently talked with a swede who told me he sent a email to a housing company and he got the first hand contract without having to queue!!!. So clearly there is a double standard in sweden.

No, you give the impression that you believe all apartments must be on some kind of queue!
Absolutely not. It is the housing queue companies that negotiate with housing companies to try and get them to place apartments on the list. Many are not queues at-all, in the strict sense of the definition, they are more like market places for apartments.

So it is indeed very possible to write to a housing company, depending what agreements and available places they have, and be offered an apartment first hand contract immediately.

The so-called housing queues are a convenience for housing companies. Rather than having to make deals with individual agents they can reasonably quickly fill their vacant properties. For individuals it saves having to go from agent to agent trying to find a place, then you might also have the issue of competing agents etc. (just like in Spain, Barcelona for example, the average vacancy is only available on the market for 48 hours!).

There is absolutely nothing preventing you from forming your own marketplace, make deals with housing companies, and offer a comprehensive service for finding apartment contracts.

Posted by: john.boy 28.Jul.2018, 10:22 AM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 28.Jul.2018, 10:43 AM) *
The local councils are not building rentals, just flats to buy which is totally crazy.

Local Councils do not build anything. Housing companies (granted half of the apartments in Sweden are owned by housing companies that in turn are owned by local Kommuns) buy the land and put to tender the construction of apartments.

Our Spanish friend is indeed correct that the real issues are not exposed in the media to a great extent, there are very good left-wing, socialist, trade union reasons behind that! They prefer to aim at what people are foolish enough to believe is the issue, the so-called housing queues.

There are 3 main issues that have stood in the way of rental housing:

1. Cost of Construction (and I include rent controls as a factor in this)
Land price is not the main issue in Sweden, it is cost of construction. According to Eurostat, Sweden has the highest cost of construction in the EU, and it is 3rd in Europe (Switzerland and Norway have higher costs). Factor in that, plus the rent controls, it became uneconomic to build apartments for renting. This is being tackled by now allowing , to a degree, free rent setting on new builds. The obvious result is large hikes in rents in new builds.

2. Manpower
Believe or not, there has been quite a few rental construction tenders that have received zero, no, nada, tenders from construction companies, over the last few years! And many that received 1 tender had a price so high it wasn't economic to continue with the project. Foreign construction companies hardly bid on any projects either. Why no tenders, construction companies, as the economy grows, become busy with alternative projects that are more profitable. What has been done? To encourage foreign construction companies to bid for tenders, the organisation that represents housing companies has pooled together over the last couple of years the tenders, gone on road trips into Europe and made presentations to different construction companies, organised help to understand build rules and regulations, translate employment laws, and provide assistance/guidance for them to establish themselves in Sweden so they can bid on contracts. Today you will see that there is slowly a growing number of projects that have started, and using foreign construction companies.

3. Regulations
Sweden has it's own building standards/regulations, they are different across all Nordic countries, so why would a company want to establish in Sweden for such a small market? Environmental laws also are a hinder to construction. Stockholm for example, if I remember correctly, approx 70% of the land surrounding Stockholm is protected in under one law or another! (this is why they appear to be squeezing in buildings in small gaps in built-up areas right now). There has been quite a debate about easing building regulations, relaxing land protection etc... However, that also opens the door for the loss-leading cry of immigration driving down the Standard of Living.

Posted by: Svedallas 28.Jul.2018, 11:37 AM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 28.Jul.2018, 10:43 AM) *
I agree that getting a flat is almost impossible. The local councils are not building rentals, just flats to buy which is totally crazy. Before there was in Göteborg an organisation called Bostadsförmedlingen which was a queue system but you did not have to wait too long. It´s not like today where the landlord can pick who they want.

Another problem is all of the asylum seekers. When they get the green light, it is the duty of the local council to give them accommodation. 134,000+ came and they all need some where to live. Unfortunately, the honest hard working people have to look for 2nd or 3rd hand rentals. It is wrong and it´s not just the people on TL that have this problem, it´s everybody.


Yes, this is a major problem. And hardly discussed in the news.

Many of the refugees have been given priority in the queue in getting housing.
This is very unfair and has caused a huge situation.

They will never buy, and wont even be able to qualify to get an apartment. But the government want to pay for them, for minimum 3 years while they "integrate" which we pay for.

Unfair for the hardworking tax payers. And just unfair in general, as they are not going to be able to contribute back for many many years. They were immediately by-passed and put before even native Swedes who have been waiting for minimum 10 - 20 years for some apartments.

This will change after elections.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Jul.2018, 03:22 PM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 28.Jul.2018, 10:54 AM) *
No, you give the impression that you believe all apartments must be on some kind of queue!
Absolutely not. It is the housing queue companies that negotiate with housing companies to try and get them to place apartments on the list. Many are not queues at-all, in the strict sense of the definition, they are more like market places for apartments.

So it is indeed very possible to write to a housing company, depending what agreements and available places they have, and be offered an apartment first hand contract immediately.

The so-called housing queues are a convenience for housing companies. Rather than having to make deals with individual agents they can reasonably quickly fill their vacant properties. For individuals it saves having to go from agent to agent trying to find a place, then you might also have the issue of competing agents etc. (just like in Spain, Barcelona for example, the average vacancy is only available on the market for 48 hours!).

There is absolutely nothing preventing you from forming your own marketplace, make deals with housing companies, and offer a comprehensive service for finding apartment contracts.



It's second hand, first hand or buyers and the first hand are queues that's it.

You talk like if you lived in a parallel universe. I have been in the queue for more than 3 years and that's it. I got in contact with housing companies and they tell you the same thing... queue!.

Why don't you just admit this whole thing is a pyramid scheme to force people buy?!.



QUOTE (john.boy @ 28.Jul.2018, 10:54 AM) *
The so-called housing queues are a convenience for housing companies. Rather than having to make deals with individual agents they can reasonably quickly fill their vacant properties.


I got in contact with one of those housing companies and they told me to queue. So I think you are misleading people.

Queues for first hand rentals are the norm unless you pay for skipping the queue.

Seriously I don't know what kind of marketplace you are talking about, There are no deals with housing companies. Please stop misleading people.




QUOTE (john.boy @ 28.Jul.2018, 10:54 AM) *
For individuals it saves having to go from agent to agent trying to find a place, then you might also have the issue of competing agents etc. (just like in Spain, Barcelona for example, the average vacancy is only available on the market for 48 hours!).


That is absolutely false, the housing market in Spain IS NOT like in sweden. You are lying. In Spain we don't have queues for first hand rentals, we don't have companies that own entire apartment buildings as in sweden.

We don't have to get in contact with agents to rent an apartment... 48 hours in sweden for a first hand rental...But, what are you talking about??!!!. I have been in the queue for more than 3 years!!!.

Why are you making up stories about Spain?. Are you mentally ok?. The housing system in Spain is very much the opposite. No second hand rentals, no queues, no agents, no companies that have monopoly over rentals and buyers. It's a different story. But you are basically spreading misinformation.

Seriously how can you manipulate things so twisted?.

You are crazy!. Seriously crazy!.

Posted by: parfume1 28.Jul.2018, 08:07 PM

I recommend you go home to Spain for a month or so you will feel better being around friends and family and getting away from that boring country. I have spent the past month abroad and I made a few friends already and feel more alive and happy. I have had more happiness in 1 month compared to the 5 years in Sweden.

Posted by: Svedallas 28.Jul.2018, 08:14 PM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 28.Jul.2018, 09:07 PM) *
I recommend you go home to Spain for a month or so you will feel better being around friends and family and getting away from that boring country. I have spent the past month abroad and I made a few friends already and feel more alive and happy. I have had more happiness in 1 month compared to the 5 years in Sweden.



Moaners! If you hate it just leave! Simple.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Jul.2018, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (parfume1 @ 28.Jul.2018, 09:07 PM) *
I recommend you go home to Spain for a month or so you will feel better being around friends and family and getting away from that boring country. I have spent the past month abroad and I made a few friends already and feel more alive and happy. I have had more happiness in 1 month compared to the 5 years in Sweden.



True. I friend of mine told me the same. To just disconnect from this.

It's difficult to explain how stressful it is.

In Spain I was underemployed but life wasn't that difficult and not so many barriers for stupid things like finding a new apartment or moving to a new city. Things in Spain are more fluid, even though jobs are scarce and poorly paid.

More diversity. Believe it or not.

Unless you move to city center of Madrid or Barcelona only there you might find some difficulties. But not to the extent I see in sweden. This is just crazy, really crazy.
I mean, people queue for getting a fix place?!. Crazy. And they think we have the same system because their situation has been normalized. They think it's normal.

Then you speak about the subject and even swedes don't get it and look at you like I was telling them about alien life on another planet.

People in this country is not aware of problems or simply they look away. Which is common to look the other way.

I had no idea this was like this in sweden. It's been really shocking to realize how things really are. And the mind set of the people... Just like if I live in some sort of cult group or something, Weird... Seriously weird.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Jul.2018, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 28.Jul.2018, 09:14 PM) *
Moaners! If you hate it just leave! Simple.



Heheheh, you sound like the old man sitting at the corner.

Why don't you email our supreme politicians to fix the problem?.

Because I have tried to bring awareness and the only thing I got is treated as an enemy of sweden.

You know, if you guys behave like nothing is happening is because maybe you like it this way for some reason?. ;-)

As in all plots the question is. Who benefits and who loses.. ;-)

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Jul.2018, 09:56 PM

Culture shock...To the max!!!

Posted by: Svedallas 28.Jul.2018, 11:27 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 28.Jul.2018, 10:46 PM) *
Heheheh, you sound like the old man sitting at the corner.

Why don't you email our supreme politicians to fix the problem?.

Because I have tried to bring awareness and the only thing I got is treated as an enemy of sweden.

You know, if you guys behave like nothing is happening is because maybe you like it this way for some reason?. ;-)

As in all plots the question is. Who benefits and who loses.. ;-)


LEAVE

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Jul.2018, 11:43 PM

The ones constantly referring to how it was in the country they left, do not realize they are not home anymore and are usually the saddest group here...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 29.Jul.2018, 01:01 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 29.Jul.2018, 12:27 AM) *
LEAVE


That's why the system is designed in the way it is.

But as a good swede. Look the other way and keep it quiet.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 29.Jul.2018, 01:17 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.Jul.2018, 12:43 AM) *
The ones constantly referring to how it was in the country they left, do not realize they are not home anymore and are usually the saddest group here...



What are you doing in America?. Why don't you live in sweden?. Come, and queue for a rental as if it was a lottery game. Applying every day to apartments and hoping to get one, when in reality it will never happen because this system is rigged.

I am not sad, I am incredibly disappointed, of a country that the only thing they are good at is spying on other people(COVERTLY), spreading rumors about others(BEHIND THEIR BACKS) and laughing cynically when confronted with real problems(LOOKING THE OTHER WAY).

Nobody on earth would be so incompetent unless they are doing it on purpose. So they know what happens when people arrive and they realize how rental market works. They have run the numbers, they know the people who cannot find anything will leave, they know how much money people spend per average and they know sweden abroad sends a different message, because nobody outside sweden has any idea of the mess going on because if they knew everything, then nobody will move to sweden.

But if you are not brave enough of replying my private messages and look the other way, because obviously I am telling you what I can see, then how can you expect any brave or honest attitude among the people of your same culture?. It's in your culture to be like that. Swedish culture is all about doing bad things and then denying it, because there is no morals or honor or anything.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.Jul.2018, 01:29 AM

The word paranoia comes to mind now...

Posted by: wallace1837 29.Jul.2018, 01:53 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.Jul.2018, 01:29 AM) *
The word paranoia comes to mind now...

Denial is what comes into my mind.

I find it a pretty low tactic to attack the mental health of someone referencing serious dysfunction of a society. Bu eh, when they are right, you can only resort to attack the messengers...

Conversation in Sweden between a foreigner and a Swede.

Foreigner: Watch out, your pants are on fire
Swede: They are called trousers, retard!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Jul.2018, 12:24 AM

Another article that shows how big the problem is.

Sweden Needs To Build A New Stockholm To House Migrant Population
https://www.breitbart.com/london/2016/07/01...ing-population/

But no, no housing crisis. It's just people who hate sweden.

Actually the best way to destroy sweden is by not doing or saying anything. I mean if I really wanted to see sweden destroyed, I should just shut up, and let you all sink in the biggest housing crash in the history of Europe.

But yeah keep buying and inflating prices and not building any rentals. Then the bears will destroy you all.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Jul.2018, 12:36 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 29.Jul.2018, 02:53 AM) *
Denial is what comes into my mind.

I find it a pretty low tactic to attack the mental health of someone referencing serious dysfunction of a society. Bu eh, when they are right, you can only resort to attack the messengers...

Conversation in Sweden between a foreigner and a Swede.

Foreigner: Watch out, your pants are on fire
Swede: They are called trousers, retard!


A country that thinks they are the best on earth at everything they do cannot treat other cultures equally. That mindset in incompatible with equal treatment.

Being tolerant is not letting 200k refuges a year and then put them on welfare or working in shitty jobs.

Being tolerant is truly respecting other cultures and seeing them with the same talents and skills as the swedes, which in this country sadly is not the case.

I lost count about the passive aggressive jokes about me, but it's all sick jealousy. Then look at this forum, it's controlled by a group of people who wants to control the narrative. So in the end sweden is some sort of "dictatorial" country where different opinions are censored by the group. That's why everybody seem to agree, because no swede will be crazy enough to confront the status quo.

I do because I don't give a batshit about the group. Maybe I am more swede than the swedes in that area.

Posted by: Moonchild 18.Aug.2018, 08:02 AM

Just my $0.02 here having gone through the mill of finding a new place to live a few times now:




On the bright side there are still plenty of home owners, real estate agents and individual leasers who are approachable for short term solutions. You just have to know where to look -- in addition, look around for NEW queueing systems like homeq.se that collect rental apartments nationwide -- this is better than the broken system otherwise that requires you to register with every organization individually, everywhere you -think- you may want to have a chance for an apartment in 5 years.

It takes persistence and patience to not use the queueing real estate systems. Responding to individual advertisements on blocket.se and checking kvalster.se for available places is a good start. Also, if you do so, use your best Swedish possible and if you're not confident in your Swedish skills apologize for any potential mistakes in it. It sets a precedent that yes, you are trying to integrate and contribute to Swedish society, which may easily sway your potential new landlord in choosing you as a candidate over other respondents.

Posted by: Svedallas 18.Aug.2018, 10:06 AM

QUOTE (Moonchild @ 18.Aug.2018, 09:02 AM) *
Just my $0.02 here having gone through the mill of finding a new place to live a few times now:


  • I agree the queueing system in its attempt to be fair achieves the opposite by forcing everyone to plan 5 or more years ahead (which most of the time is hard to do). It's problematic in my area (Linköping) and I can only imagine how much worse it is going to be in the 3 biggest cities.
    In my opinion they should change the queuing system to have a cap, like 2 years or so, and beyond that determine case-by-case or by other factors who gets first choice.
  • The only times I've been able to actually get an apartment on a permanent lease (tillsvidare) has been through home owners and real estate agents that do not use a queueing system. Unfortunately the larger ones that own most rental houses in Swedish cities all do.
  • This problem is severely amplified by the Swedish government giving absolute priority to immigrants who are here ON ASYLUM, ahead of other immigrants (like myself) and Swedish citizens alike. If there is a housing shortage like this, they should put a stop to accepting asylum seekers. If a country is full, it's full. No room means no room.


On the bright side there are still plenty of home owners, real estate agents and individual leasers who are approachable for short term solutions. You just have to know where to look -- in addition, look around for NEW queueing systems like homeq.se that collect rental apartments nationwide -- this is better than the broken system otherwise that requires you to register with every organization individually, everywhere you -think- you may want to have a chance for an apartment in 5 years.

It takes persistence and patience to not use the queueing real estate systems. Responding to individual advertisements on blocket.se and checking kvalster.se for available places is a good start. Also, if you do so, use your best Swedish possible and if you're not confident in your Swedish skills apologize for any potential mistakes in it. It sets a precedent that yes, you are trying to integrate and contribute to Swedish society, which may easily sway your potential new landlord in choosing you as a candidate over other respondents.


The politicians failed us.

It is absurd that to get an apartment you have to have no job, no income, have had no employment history, and never even paid taxes. All you have to be is a refugee?
And have multiple wives and numerous children to "qualify' for a home? It is no surprise that in almost one month, all this bullshit will come to an end. (As it has gone for too long).

It is also a twisted fact that rather than get a job, refugees will prefer to just have more children, because if they do get a job (which will be a low-skilled one), it will only amount to the same as what they will get in bidrag. I have heard stories of refugees who arrived here, and have 8/9 children, and parents do not work, and have been studying Sfi for 4/5 years.

But, meanwhile, a native, who has a job, has been on the queue for many years, will not be a priority. It is a disaster.

I say if you do not find a job, you have to be forced to stay in the refugee homes provided by the state. Period. They need to earn their way out. Or at least, there needs to be a point system, or priority for those who are actually paying into the system, not the ones who are just here to sponge off it.

If you have the right to vote. VOTE!

Posted by: Bsmith 18.Aug.2018, 11:09 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 18.Aug.2018, 09:06 AM) *
The politicians failed us.

It is absurd that to get an apartment you have to have no job, no income, have had no employment history, and never even paid taxes. All you have to be is a refugee?
And have multiple wives and numerous children to "qualify' for a home? It is no surprise that in almost one month, all this bullshit will come to an end. (As it has gone for too long).

It is also a twisted fact that rather than get a job, refugees will prefer to just have more children, because if they do get a job (which will be a low-skilled one), it will only amount to the same as what they will get in bidrag. I have heard stories of refugees who arrived here, and have 8/9 children, and parents do not work, and have been studying Sfi for 4/5 years.

But, meanwhile, a native, who has a job, has been on the queue for many years, will not be a priority. It is a disaster.

I say if you do not find a job, you have to be forced to stay in the refugee homes provided by the state. Period. They need to earn their way out. Or at least, there needs to be a point system, or priority for those who are actually paying into the system, not the ones who are just here to sponge off it.

If you have the right to vote. VOTE!




What are you, some kind of Nazi? Putting working natives ahead of poor non-working immigrants...WTF!

Posted by: Gjeebes 18.Aug.2018, 11:32 AM

"The politicians failed us."

Not at all!

They have delivered exactly what they promised, and exactly what they were voted in, to do.

You idiots wanted the New Country, and now you got it.

I bet those fully expired virtue-signalling power points never looked better!

Enjoy!

Posted by: djmarko 18.Aug.2018, 11:46 AM

Stockholm housing situation, you have to buy or you stand no chance, in Stockholm fancy areas, you need to be on a high income to even get considered for rental, this is discrimination based on social status, nothing wrong with this, even if Sweden promotes equality in Society, the komunn of Ostermalm, some parts of Söder and kungsholmen are exempted lol

Lets face in even in London, the best parts of the city, only the well to do can afford it, fair enough, its far more easier to rent an apartment if you can afford to

I heard in a partcular building in Stureplan which is actually rent based , the minimum income required for a would be 1st hand tenant is 60K monthly

They are building loads of new apartments around Stockholm but they are quite expensive, i am rather happy, i bought my first place within 2 years of moving here in 2008 and since moved twice

I do not envy anyone that is struggling to get a heads up in the rental or buying their first home

Posted by: john.boy 18.Aug.2018, 01:45 PM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 18.Aug.2018, 12:46 PM) *
I heard in a partcular building in Stureplan which is actually rent based , the minimum income required for a would be 1st hand tenant is 60K monthly

That would imply a rent of around 20.000:-/m
It has been standard for quite a while that landlords require the tenant to have a monthly income x2, and in newer builds now, x3 the monthly rent.

Posted by: Bsmith 18.Aug.2018, 02:49 PM

The Kurt Vonnegut story, "Harrison Bergeron" should be assigned as compulsory reading by all politicians.

Yeah, the rich have more stuff than the poor. Most of the time they work harder, too.

Posted by: djmarko 18.Aug.2018, 03:53 PM

My friend rented an apartment, 63sq metres for almost 17,000 a month, well he could afford it as he was a freelance IT consultant but then again, he had to leave after 1 year, eventually got fed up of the rental situation and found work in Los Angeles

His company could not even help as they are aware of the lack of rental properties in Stockholm, i guess if people dont require permission to rent out their apartments, up to 50,000 apartments in stockholm for example can be out in the rental market, this might lower the prices for buying apartment, so of course this is a win-win situation for the property market

Things will not improve despite the 1000s of new homes been built in the Stockholm area, things are what they are

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 18.Aug.2018, 05:27 PM

"Yeah, the rich have more stuff than the poor. Most of the time they work harder, too."

Did you ever notice how "lucky" hard working people are???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 18.Aug.2018, 05:48 PM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 18.Aug.2018, 04:53 PM) *
My friend rented an apartment, 63sq metres for almost 17,000 a month, well he could afford it as he was a freelance IT consultant but then again, he had to leave after 1 year, eventually got fed up of the rental situation and found work in Los Angeles

His company could not even help as they are aware of the lack of rental properties in Stockholm, i guess if people dont require permission to rent out their apartments, up to 50,000 apartments in stockholm for example can be out in the rental market, this might lower the prices for buying apartment, so of course this is a win-win situation for the property market

Things will not improve despite the 1000s of new homes been built in the Stockholm area, things are what they are


That's why I think Sweden will lose a lot of people who actually want to work and pay taxes and instead they will have only refugees and other type of individual who the only thing they want is "free money".

I am now in the process of changing apartment and you have no idea all the barriers and problems I am having. It's all made in a way that if you don't buy an apartment then you life will be misery.

I met someone who has been in the queue since 2010!!!. He is swedish, blond blue eye guy. He has tried to get in contact with housing companies and told them his situation, the only response... keep queuing. He is not even living in stockholm, but small sized town.

So sweden will crash eventually, I cannot believe this situation can continue like this. I mean they are trying to say this is common in other countries. But I have never seen anything like this in my life.

This overprotective mindset in sweden is crazy.

Posted by: Apache001 18.Aug.2018, 05:52 PM

Apartments will not go round when a vast majority of the population are single households. When you go into your apartment just look at all the single names on the doors, it’s mind blowing.

Swedes are never going to complain because they run the show and have it far much easier to get an apartment or change jobs as they wish. So the pro-Swedes should leave us alone to express our struggles in this society.

Posted by: Gjeebes 18.Aug.2018, 06:00 PM

Foreigners in "equality obsessed" feminist Sweden (yes, with its elite and "royals" too) are by and large merely an underclass.

This all the while exaggerating their "goodestness", simply to part you from your money.

Sweden and the Swedish "brand" is essentially a gimmick.

Like someone said here, Sweden is like a glossy magazine with nothing (of value) inside.

Posted by: john.boy 18.Aug.2018, 07:44 PM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 18.Aug.2018, 04:53 PM) *
up to 50,000 apartments in stockholm for example can be out in the rental market, this might lower the prices for buying apartment, so of course this is a win-win situation for the property market

This is not a win-win situation, remember that especially the UK last property crash was primarily caused by buy-to-rent. Same happened in a few countries in Europe. This is probably one of the reasons why Sweden managed to get through the property crashes of recent times, it kept demand greater than supply.

It should also be noted that in Sweden that the majority of people buy property to live in and not as speculative investments.

I do find it quite amusing all the indirect references that immigrant workers who pay taxes should be prioritised for rentals. Couple of points to note:-

1. It was the employers who lobbied for many years that the work permit requirement that the prospective employee had accommodation secured, be removed.

2. The untold story, Sweden's internal redistribution of Kommun income taxes from wealthier (well managed) Kommuns to poorer (normally socialist sh*t holes badly managed, e.g. Malmö), means that for example, Stockholm, the more workers moving to the Kommun and paying taxes is actually a loss situation as even the system transfers out even more money from Stockholm, yet it has to continue to provide expanding infrastructure and services with less money! You are better off as a Kommun to get more people that come attached with State subsidies!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 18.Aug.2018, 07:50 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 18.Aug.2018, 06:52 PM) *
Apartments will not go round when a vast majority of the population are single households. When you go into your apartment just look at all the single names on the doors, it’s mind blowing.

Swedes are never going to complain because they run the show and have it far much easier to get an apartment or change jobs as they wish. So the pro-Swedes should leave us alone to express our struggles in this society.


Almost 50% of swedes live alone!. That's insane.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 18.Aug.2018, 08:34 PM

Again, another judgement based on cultural values not shared...

Posted by: djmarko 18.Aug.2018, 08:54 PM

If you are human, we are not supposed to be lonely, life is too short, we are only here for a limited period of time, human are made to interact, thats why we were given mouths to speak, multiply and what not, the same sets of people, outside sweden, they are so different, they become alive and dont even need booze to speak to people, i know loads of swedes in London that are far from lonely, why will they act different when back home? Is it a cultural thing not to interact with human beings or am i missing something here?

Posted by: Apache001 18.Aug.2018, 09:06 PM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 18.Aug.2018, 09:54 PM) *
If you are human, we are not supposed to be lonely, life is too short, we are only here for a limited period of time, human are made to interact, thats why we were given mouths to speak, multiply and what not, the same sets of people, outside sweden, they are so different, they become alive and dont even need booze to speak to people, i know loads of swedes in London that are far from lonely, why will they act different when back home? Is it a cultural thing not to interact with human beings or am i missing something here?


Because back home in Sweden they have to behave like a puppet and die quietly of loneliness whilst feeding on antidepressants with several pykologi visits. To Gamla this is a cultural difference and nothing wrong in eating antidepressants all ones life.

People who can’t be themselves in my world are living corpses. Social handicap leads to mental disorder and the Kommun is aware of this and that’s why they set up several kamrat groups just to pull the socially handicapped Swedes out of loneliness and boredom.

Posted by: djmarko 18.Aug.2018, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 18.Aug.2018, 10:06 PM) *
Because back home in Sweden they have to behave like a puppet and die quietly of loneliness whilst feeding on antidepressants with several pykologi visits. To Gamla this is a cultural difference and nothing wrong in eating antidepressants all ones life.

People who can’t be themselves in my world are living corpses. Social handicap leads to mental disorder and the Kommun is aware of this and that’s why they set up several kamrat groups just to pull the socially handicapped Swedes out of loneliness and boredom.


This is easily fixed, just open your mouth and speak, problem solved, pls lets not get sidetracked, this thread was about finding accomodation in Sweden

Posted by: Cheeseroller 18.Aug.2018, 11:07 PM

What's the point of this conversation then? The problem won't be solved!

Posted by: Cheeseroller 18.Aug.2018, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 18.Aug.2018, 10:06 PM) *
Because back home in Sweden they have to behave like a puppet and die quietly of loneliness whilst feeding on antidepressants with several pykologi visits. To Gamla this is a cultural difference and nothing wrong in eating antidepressants all ones life.

People who can’t be themselves in my world are living corpses. Social handicap leads to mental disorder and the Kommun is aware of this and that’s why they set up several kamrat groups just to pull the socially handicapped Swedes out of loneliness and boredom.


+1

Posted by: Svedallas 18.Aug.2018, 11:24 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 18.Aug.2018, 12:09 PM) *
What are you, some kind of Nazi? Putting working natives ahead of poor non-working immigrants...WTF!


far from it...

Imagine having 2 kids, living in a small apartment. Waiting 15 years.
This is the situation many new families are in...

poor non-working immigrants should be given priority? or the hard working, tax paying?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 18.Aug.2018, 11:46 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 19.Aug.2018, 12:24 AM) *
far from it...

Imagine having 2 kids, living in a small apartment. Waiting 15 years.
This is the situation many new families are in...

poor non-working immigrants should be given priority? or the hard working, tax paying?


Blame the construction companies and the government.
They are all in this scheme.

Let's be honest, this is done on purpose. That or simply swedes are incompetent.

They don't have overpopulated country. The only three biggest cities are not that big.

1 Million stockholm
500k Gothenburg
300k Malmö

The rest small towns of less than 250k population.

So the question is how come that such a low populated country have such terrible rental market?, then if you decide to buy you have no queues!!.

Don't you find it a bit suspicious?!.

Sweden has a gatekeeper like attitude. They claim to be opened but the entire system is meant to slow down foreigners, either by creating a tough environment in the rental market with second hand rentals and queues for long term accommodation where people can't live without having to buy an apartment or in the employment area where despite they keep saying they speak the best English, then you go to apply to jobs and only excuses due to language, age and even name, yes name. Because if you name doesn't sound swedish enough... then say goodbye to a job.

I talked with a guy not so long ago. He told me that one company was hiring people for 6 months and then they fired them with false excuses, since at the end of the trial period the company can fire you without giving any reason. And yes, it happens in sweden.

Posted by: djmarko 19.Aug.2018, 08:13 AM

There is no rental market in Sweden, even if there is, it is very limited, when i moved here in 2006, i had to use the likes of checkin.se if it still exists and bostaddirekt which still exists but with a monthly fee, can remember paying 10;000KR a month for a small hotel apartment in Akalla, 24 Sq metres but was bored of the area but was close to my job in Kista

Then i found an aparment via Bostad direkt for 1 year but of course after the owner could not renew due to strict regulations, then i decided to buy as that was my last resort, the thought of livng in a suitcase every other month did not appeal to me, i have friends that had terrible experiences, Swedes alike, everyone suffers from the lack of rental accomodation, not only foreigners

Like i explained the difference in the Uk, is based on income, if you can afford, you will find a rental but then again, most parts of London are priced out, central london is owned by foreigners, rich ones of course, so in a way, it is good that Sweden did not go the UK way and allow the prime area property to be bought by speculators or investors

There are 1000s of apartments springing up around Stockholm but only for buyers and a few limited rental properties, but then again, the rents are usually as high as 10,000 to 12,000 a month depending on the size, it is what it is, maybe the government and the property developers are in collusion, who knows? Of course profits been the main reason, again not limited to Sweden!

Posted by: john.boy 19.Aug.2018, 08:24 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 18.Aug.2018, 08:50 PM) *
Almost 50% of swedes live alone!. That's insane.

It is actually higher than that, around 60%.
Sweden's society is based upon individualistic autonomy, with the belief that relationships, including family, are voluntary to enter and voluntary to leave.

That said, just because households are registered as single, does not mean the person is alone. It is very common that couples live between each others homes. I did that myself for a few years, many years ago, we were a couple and shared each others homes, yet according to any census/statistics we would have been classed as 2 single households.

It is a growing trend in many countries/cities. You will find for example that the number of single households, for example, in London, Manhattan, Paris is rising, now approx 50%.

Posted by: djmarko 19.Aug.2018, 08:33 AM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 19.Aug.2018, 09:24 AM) *
It is actually higher than that, around 60%.
Sweden's society is based upon individualistic autonomy, with the belief that relationships, including family, are voluntary to enter and voluntary to leave.

That said, just because households are registered as single, does not mean the person is alone. It is very common that couples live between each others homes. I did that myself for a few years, many years ago, we were a couple and shared each others homes, yet according to any census/statistics we would have been classed as 2 single households.

It is a growing trend in many countries/cities. You will find for example that the number of single households, for example, in London, Manhattan, Paris is rising, now approx 50%.


Yes there are loads of single people living in London, but then again London popularion is over 10 million, so of course relationships will not work for everyone

Posted by: Svedallas 19.Aug.2018, 10:21 AM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 19.Aug.2018, 09:13 AM) *
There is no rental market in Sweden, even if there is, it is very limited, when i moved here in 2006, i had to use the likes of checkin.se if it still exists and bostaddirekt which still exists but with a monthly fee, can remember paying 10;000KR a month for a small hotel apartment in Akalla, 24 Sq metres but was bored of the area but was close to my job in Kista

Then i found an aparment via Bostad direkt for 1 year but of course after the owner could not renew due to strict regulations, then i decided to buy as that was my last resort, the thought of livng in a suitcase every other month did not appeal to me, i have friends that had terrible experiences, Swedes alike, everyone suffers from the lack of rental accomodation, not only foreigners

Like i explained the difference in the Uk, is based on income, if you can afford, you will find a rental but then again, most parts of London are priced out, central london is owned by foreigners, rich ones of course, so in a way, it is good that Sweden did not go the UK way and allow the prime area property to be bought by speculators or investors

There are 1000s of apartments springing up around Stockholm but only for buyers and a few limited rental properties, but then again, the rents are usually as high as 10,000 to 12,000 a month depending on the size, it is what it is, maybe the government and the property developers are in collusion, who knows? Of course profits been the main reason, again not limited to Sweden!


Sweden also has the most single households in Europe.
This is one of the biggest reasons why it is hard to find an apartment.

Buying an apartment is much easier than renting. If someone is here for the long-haul, that is exactly what one should do. Otherwise, they should just quit complaining.

Posted by: Gjeebes 19.Aug.2018, 03:25 PM

" Otherwise, they should just quit complaining."

Sveddy with the daily words of wisdom.

And there you have it folks.

No problems here.

Nothing to see.

Move along...

The e-oracle has spoken!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 20.Oct.2018, 11:35 PM

A few weeks ago I met a guy who had to move 10 times during the last year.

I asked him what he thought because he also came from Spain too. He told me this is just done on purpose as I said many times on this forum.

But it was really good I met him, because I got out from the BS I constantly hear from swedish saying there is no problem at all.

The guy wasn't even living in a full apartment but just moving from room to room, he told me a few times he got scam by swedes with fake rooms.

A few days ago I met someone as always these small talk I have with random foreigners, She also told me she would have to buy because the rental market is impossible.

What really makes me think this country is quiet hypocritical is the fact the path is laid in such a way people end up buying.

The rental market is impossible, but then there is the solution, take a loan and buy an apartment because there is no lack of them. Then I check the companies that build rentals and are the same ones as for buyers.

If that pyramid scheme didn't exist I wouldn't think sweden is the most hypocritical country on the face of this earth. But it really bothers me the hypocrisy, I watch the tv news and not a single word only from time to time a robotic journalist saying that it's the best moment to buy an apartment.

People(foreigners) talk about it, but it seems we are the only ones acknowledging the scheme.

Then in Spain a few phone calls and you can get a long term rental contract, no headaches, no queues.

Also interesting how many swedes are moving there and buying everything as I have been told many times by swedes themselves.

I know I will only get the denial, or worse the passive aggressive comment saying I am just complaining for nothing, what man, never thought swedes were so, smoothly corrupt and still pretend nothing is happening.


I think disinformation is key for the success of this pyramid scheme. As a swede once told me, if you Spaniards don't queue then what system do you have?!. Amazing how brainwashing machine in sweden works...They actually think this system of short term second hand rentals and queues are the facto everywhere!.

This is a village of people who are doing well by keeping absolute control over housing, jobs and the minds of 10 million people with a mass media that has control over what is news and what isn't.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Oct.2018, 12:01 AM

Are you living indoors or outdoors???

And if a person can find indoor living 10 times in a year, why do you complain that there are no apartments available???

Posted by: wallace1837 21.Oct.2018, 12:41 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 21.Oct.2018, 12:35 AM) *
A few weeks ago I met a guy who had to move 10 times during the last year.

I asked him what he thought because he also came from Spain too. He told me this is just done on purpose as I said many times on this forum.

But it was really good I met him, because I got out from the BS I constantly hear from swedish saying there is no problem at all.

The guy wasn't even living in a full apartment but just moving from room to room, he told me a few times he got scam by swedes with fake rooms.

A few days ago I met someone as always these small talk I have with random foreigners, She also told me she would have to buy because the rental market is impossible.

What really makes me think this country is quiet hypocritical is the fact the path is laid in such a way people end up buying.

The rental market is impossible, but then there is the solution, take a loan and buy an apartment because there is no lack of them. Then I check the companies that build rentals and are the same ones as for buyers.

If that pyramid scheme didn't exist I wouldn't think sweden is the most hypocritical country on the face of this earth. But it really bothers me the hypocrisy, I watch the tv news and not a single word only from time to time a robotic journalist saying that it's the best moment to buy an apartment.

People(foreigners) talk about it, but it seems we are the only ones acknowledging the scheme.

Then in Spain a few phone calls and you can get a long term rental contract, no headaches, no queues.

Also interesting how many swedes are moving there and buying everything as I have been told many times by swedes themselves.

I know I will only get the denial, or worse the passive aggressive comment saying I am just complaining for nothing, what man, never thought swedes were so, smoothly corrupt and still pretend nothing is happening.


I think disinformation is key for the success of this pyramid scheme. As a swede once told me, if you Spaniards don't queue then what system do you have?!. Amazing how brainwashing machine in sweden works...They actually think this system of short term second hand rentals and queues are the facto everywhere!.

This is a village of people who are doing well by keeping absolute control over housing, jobs and the minds of 10 million people with a mass media that has control over what is news and what isn't.


+1
QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 21.Oct.2018, 01:01 AM) *
Are you living indoors or outdoors???

And if a person can find indoor living 10 times in a year, why do you complain that there are no apartments available???

-10

Posted by: skogsbo 21.Oct.2018, 07:23 AM

Accommodation shortages are pretty much confined to capital cities, because so many people think their streets are paved with gold. Get out of Stockholm and sweden is pretty much the same as anywhere else in Europe. High employment correlating with high demand, and the opposite of course.

Posted by: bonviveur 21.Oct.2018, 10:09 AM

if one wants to live in stockholm but doesnt earn enough money to live decent live in a capital city then there is a strugle.
comunist countrys also doesnt do well when providing equal living conditions for everyone, try to live in Cuba for example
there are a lot of problems in sweden, including housing situation, but nowhere is perfect, sadly greed rules everywhere
no money no honey, like americans say

Posted by: wallace1837 21.Oct.2018, 03:24 PM

QUOTE (bonviveur @ 21.Oct.2018, 10:09 AM) *
if one wants to live in stockholm but doesnt earn enough money to live decent live in a capital city then there is a strugle.

False, Swedes who were put on the queue at birth can enjoy the cheap apartments of Stockholm. There is clear discrimination on foreigners, since they could not register to those queue because of the lack of personal number.

Now that the queue is ~20 years long, it really shows how dysfunctional the Swedish rental system is.

Posted by: Gjeebes 21.Oct.2018, 03:54 PM

Rainbows and unicorn rubbish from our main man, "Accommodation shortages are pretty much confined to capital cities".

Most kommuns have housing shortages, across the country.

Forest-dweller, the bubble you live in is very, very small.

And since I've already seen the stats, go find it out for yourself, before asking; you'll be amazed how much you can see when your eyes aren't closed (or in your case, when you pull your head out of the sand).

Posted by: skogsbo 21.Oct.2018, 04:11 PM

So much nonsense. Swedes don't put their kids on lists as soon as they are born and yes there is housing in most of sweden. When did you last live in sweden gjeebes? The past two years has seen a massive building programme in many cities to the point they can't sell them as supply is out stripping demand.

What sweden doesn't have are good well paid jobs sitting waiting and nice apartments in prime capital city locations vacant all ready for someone who jumps off a plane at Arlanda having decide to make their fortune in Stockholm and done zero preparation or planning.

Posted by: Gjeebes 21.Oct.2018, 04:18 PM

More rubbish, "Swedes don't put their kids on lists as soon as they are born".

Yes, they do. And not just in Stockholm, but even up in the depraved Northern Meatballia region, where as you likely know, live more moose than people.

We ARE talking about rentals here, in case you hadn't noticed.

I left the greasy Meatball last Feb., nice projection, old chap, but you are the one who is out of touch. But then again, that is to be expected of a true Meatballian.

Now that you are a, ahem, "citizen", I can see you have doubled down on your loyalty.

You will no doubt counter this with more rubbish, but I think we all saw that you lost any credibility that you might have had, when you actually supported the retarded Meatballian practice of "lining the bar-code up" business, for the cashier at the grocers.

Hmmm, that there boy really knows how to line himself up some purdy bar-code he does. So nice. So polite...so tolerant. lol!

Posted by: skogsbo 21.Oct.2018, 05:16 PM

Gjeebes, not wishing to pick faults in your knowledge. There are no moose in sweden at all. There are elk, but they don't inhabit the upper third or so.

Posted by: intrepidfox 21.Oct.2018, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 21.Oct.2018, 03:18 PM) *
More rubbish, "Swedes don't put their kids on lists as soon as they are born".

Yes, they do. And not just in Stockholm, but even up in the depraved Northern Meatballia region, where as you likely know, live more moose than people.

We ARE talking about rentals here, in case you hadn't noticed.



Bollocks. Total crap. Get your facts right

Göteborg https://nya.boplats.se/hyresratt/registrera#17

Skåne https://www.boplatssyd.se/kundtjanst/vanliga-fragor-och-svar

Stockholm https://bostad.stockholm.se/om-oss/sa-kan-vi-hjalpa-dig/forstahandskontrakt-stockholm/

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 21.Oct.2018, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 21.Oct.2018, 08:23 AM) *
Accommodation shortages are pretty much confined to capital cities, because so many people think their streets are paved with gold. Get out of Stockholm and sweden is pretty much the same as anywhere else in Europe. High employment correlating with high demand, and the opposite of course.



That's false.

If you go to a city like London sure you will have problems but sweden has other variables.

First of all there is no such thing as big cities in sweden.
Stockholm is at best 1 million in the city center and the other two biggest have 500k and 250k population. That's not a big city center.

90% of towns in sweden has a population ofr 150k or less. Check the data below.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_Sweden_by_population

Also you forget the so called second hand rentals. Something that is very quietly hidden from the world. That's the big problem. People cannot stay for longer than 1 year and in many many cases the contract is limited to 6 months or less. So moving outside the cities won't solve that issue either.

Queues to find first hand rentals are even in the 4-5 years in those small towns.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_urban_areas_in_Sweden_by_population


So the goal is to force people buy. That's the how the game is designed. What infuriates me the most is how everybody seems to distort, manipulate and avoid getting into the details. That includes swedish media. On tv there isn't a single word about what second hand rentals actually are and the limitations and rules.

I wil never think this is an honest country. But holly man, how well hidden this all pyramid scheme is. Seriously words fall short to describe how corrupt I see the entire system and how there is still people who look the other way pretending it's all by chance.

Disinformation is why this country is getting away with that. You will never see any in-depth article anywhere in the foreign mainstream media about what's actually happening.

It's just... so... low.

Posted by: skogsbo 21.Oct.2018, 05:58 PM

But Stockholm is the capital.. and just like anywhere else that's where people head to find their fortune. 2nd hand rentals are a quirk of Stockholm and are rare anywhere else.
I would agree rental chains are odd and surprisingly tolerated, but you can only really live in one apartment at a time, so regardless of the bizarre system for apartment rentals going on in central stockholm it's doesn't change the bums on seats ratio, ie supply and demand.

Folk aren't forced to buy. But like any country it is often cheaper long term to buy than rent.

Posted by: ChocOwl 21.Oct.2018, 06:37 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 21.Oct.2018, 05:18 PM) *
More rubbish, "Swedes don't put their kids on lists as soon as they are born".

Yes, they do.

Nope.
Many (?most) rental housing companies don't accept people in the housing queue until the age of 18 years, though some allow people to queue from the age of 16 or 17. There are some rare member-owned rental housing cooperatives in which you can queue from an earlier age, eg SKB (not free to be in the queue!).

Posted by: Apache001 22.Oct.2018, 01:35 PM

The housing problem is all across the country even in remote villages of 25k residents.
Swedes usually won’t complain if it isn’t affecting them much.
Also why do all the Kommuns segregate asylum seekers in one geographical area. We can’t have it this way if we want them to integrate and learn more about the Swedish values.

This looks like a systematic approach to keep new comers out of the system.
Say no more fellas, we just need to give it up for passive aggressive Sweden.

Posted by: skogsbo 22.Oct.2018, 02:22 PM

25k residents isn't a village it's a town or small city and there isn't widespread housing shortages across the country. The refugees have to go where housing is available, usually flats etc.. they don't drive or have a car so need to live near facilities etc.. I agree if you could scatter them into nucks and crannies integration time would be halved, it's just the logistics of them getting to schools, healthcare, SV, MV, sfi etc. that stops this.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 24.Oct.2018, 09:17 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 22.Oct.2018, 03:22 PM) *
25k residents isn't a village it's a town or small city and there isn't widespread housing shortages across the country. The refugees have to go where housing is available, usually flats etc.. they don't drive or have a car so need to live near facilities etc.. I agree if you could scatter them into nucks and crannies integration time would be halved, it's just the logistics of them getting to schools, healthcare, SV, MV, sfi etc. that stops this.


What tends to happen when refugees are 'scattered' is at the first opportunity they move to areas where they can be together. To a certain extent this is understandable as if you are not living in another country thorough choice you want to be with your own culture.

I've worked in a job where we dealt with a lot of people in that situation and as soon as 1 year passed and they can swap apartments they do or they go with a company like Akelius where you can get a first hand contract without a queue as long as you have some form of an income.

Posted by: wallace1837 3.Dec.2018, 03:24 PM

http://www.friatider.se/nu-636000-personer-i-stockholms-bostadsk

Posted by: wallace1837 3.Dec.2018, 04:22 PM

The word is finally getting out.
https://www.thelocal.se/20181122/copenhagen-stockholm-given-dismal-rankings-in-expat-city-survey

Posted by: intrepidfox 3.Dec.2018, 06:40 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 3.Dec.2018, 03:24 PM) *
http://www.friatider.se/nu-636000-personer-i-stockholms-bostadsk



Even though there are many people looking for a place, many of them are just looking to move to another area and already have a place to live

Posted by: Svedallas 3.Dec.2018, 07:04 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 21.Oct.2018, 03:24 PM) *
False, Swedes who were put on the queue at birth can enjoy the cheap apartments of Stockholm. There is clear discrimination on foreigners, since they could not register to those queue because of the lack of personal number.

Now that the queue is ~20 years long, it really shows how dysfunctional the Swedish rental system is.


No. You are wrong.
I know many immigrants who were not born here, but got an central apartment in less than 10 years

You wallace do not deserve to breath Swedish air. You are the most miserable poster on the forum.

All you do is complain about anything. Can we start a gofund project to deport your miserable ass out of here??

Who is in? I never want to see your name in a post again.
So BLOCKED.

Posted by: wallace1837 3.Dec.2018, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 3.Dec.2018, 07:04 PM) *
No. You are wrong.
I know many immigrants who were not born here, but got an central apartment in less than 10 years

When the time to find necessity item is calculated in year, there is something wrong with the system!

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 3.Dec.2018, 07:04 PM) *
You wallace do not deserve to breath Swedish air. You are the most miserable poster on the forum.

I don't breath Swedish air. I am a free man in a free country.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 3.Dec.2018, 07:04 PM) *
All you do is complain about anything. Can we start a gofund project to deport your miserable ass out of here??

That is really Swedish of you. Deporting everyone who think differently than you will not sole your fundamental problems (housing, education, immigration, etc.)

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 3.Dec.2018, 07:04 PM) *
Who is in? I never want to see your name in a post again.
So BLOCKED.

You can just block/ignore me, no need to vent here! Also this won't solve the fundamental flaws of Sweden.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Dec.2018, 09:55 PM

Flaws are in the eye of the beholder...

The only immigration problem in Sweden is with the immigrants themselves, when they find that Sweden is not the fairy-tale land they expected, they come here and complain...

Is there an apartment problem in Kiruna???

Posted by: Gjeebes 4.Dec.2018, 05:13 AM

The resident know-nothing wrote, "...and there isn't widespread housing shortages across the country"

Wrong again!

as of 28 August 2017: https://www.thelocal.se/20170828/the-story-of-swedens-housing-crisis

1) "According to the country’s National Board of Housing, Building and Planning (Boverket), 255 of Sweden’s 290 municipalities now report a housing shortage. That's the highest amount since the agency started recording figures in the area."

2) "In the two years between 2015 and 2017 alone, the number of municipalities reporting shortages increased by 72, and for the most part the negative trend isn't predicted to change in the near future. At the current rate of production, only 44 of the 255 with a shortage will exit from a shortage situation within three years."

https://www.boverket.se/sv/samhallsplanering/bostadsplanering/bostadsmarknaden/bostadsmarknadsenkaten-i-korthet/

Amazing how people here like to throw out nothing arguments as if they were some kind of expert...oh, wait, this is Sweden...it is quite fashionable to speak without saying anything. Swedes love to drown in their deep rooted ignorance (even the wannabe ones like "Forest Dweller").

And Kiruna? A bedroom community for a mining company, in the middle of nowhere. Who cares...possibly the most boring place on the planet (and rather representative of the country as a (w)hole).

Posted by: waptaigamemienphi 4.Dec.2018, 06:44 AM

I am an international student, to earn a rent is indeed a hardship. Starting with lesser language ability, my first time here was extremely precarious.

Posted by: BlackfDes 4.Dec.2018, 10:29 AM

As Melania Trump showed proudly on her jacket: "I really don't care, do u?"

Posted by: Gjeebes 4.Dec.2018, 04:31 PM

QUOTE (BlackfDes @ 4.Dec.2018, 11:29 AM) *
As Melania Trump showed proudly on her jacket: "I really don't care, do u?"

...tumbleweed slowly passes by...

Posted by: intrepidfox 4.Dec.2018, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 4.Dec.2018, 04:31 PM) *
...tumbleweed slowly passes by...



Germany must be really exciting (not) if you have to spend so much time here

Posted by: wallace1837 5.Dec.2018, 04:35 AM

Some people here have really hard time focusing on the facts.

Posted by: skogsbo 5.Dec.2018, 08:31 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 5.Dec.2018, 03:35 AM) *
Some people here have really hard time focusing on the facts.

Like when you come to new country don't expect vacant apartments in the city centre of the capital city waiting for you.

Logic would dictate that if sweden was attractive one person wanting to come here, it's almost certainly attractive to thousands of other. It will be competitive in all aspects. Not all of those thousands will have the skills or qualification that are required here, that's not swedens fault. Etc.

Posted by: wallace1837 5.Dec.2018, 02:40 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 5.Dec.2018, 09:31 AM) *
Like when you come to new country don't expect vacant apartments in the city centre of the capital city waiting for you.

Logic would dictate that if sweden was attractive one person wanting to come here, it's almost certainly attractive to thousands of other. It will be competitive in all aspects. Not all of those thousands will have the skills or qualification that are required here, that's not swedens fault. Etc.

So it is not Sweden fault that they accept working immigrant that do not qualify for work and that Sweden lack infrastructure to receive immigrants and accept them anyway?

What mission fo migrationsverket you didn't understand?

Posted by: skogsbo 5.Dec.2018, 03:04 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 5.Dec.2018, 01:40 PM) *
So it is not Sweden fault that they accept working immigrant that do not qualify for work and that Sweden lack infrastructure to receive immigrants and accept them anyway?

What mission fo migrationsverket you didn't understand?

Sweden can't turn away eu people who decide to book a flight and arrive here. But that doesn't mean they have to find work and house them either.

Refugee etc.. Not Sweden's choice. Eu incompetence and Merkels invite are too blame for the surge towards northern Europe. Again it can only do so much, without putting an impossible burden on existing tax payers.

What exactly do you think sweden should be doing and why?

Posted by: wallace1837 5.Dec.2018, 03:51 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 5.Dec.2018, 03:04 PM) *
Sweden can't turn away eu people who decide to book a flight and arrive here. But that doesn't mean they have to find work and house them either.

Refugee etc.. Not Sweden's choice. Eu incompetence and Merkels invite are too blame for the surge towards northern Europe. Again it can only do so much, without putting an impossible burden on existing tax payers.

What exactly do you think sweden should be doing and why?

Not give refugee status to people who destroyed their documentation prior to arrival.

Not give refugee status to people who passed by a safe country before arriving in Sweden. Dublin agreement anyone?

Allow secret vote and get closer to a democracy.

Create an open market for housing.

Implement meritocracy in all their institutions.

Get their head off the sand.

In the meantime they support their dysfunctional education, dysfunctional housing system, dysfunctional immigration, dysfunctional politic, and pride itself on the international scene for being progressive. They should stop doing that virtue signalling BS on the international scene as well.

Posted by: skogsbo 5.Dec.2018, 04:54 PM

So in summary an eu migrant is more deserving than non eu?

Posted by: wallace1837 5.Dec.2018, 06:01 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 5.Dec.2018, 04:54 PM) *
So in summary an eu migrant is more deserving than non eu?

Yes, according to Swedish attitude. EU migrants are allowed to go to Sweden an beg https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/7782/sweden-roma-beggars while workers are deported in mass https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=88810?showtopic=88810 because of their origin.

Posted by: Gjeebes 5.Dec.2018, 06:57 PM

Wallace, don't argue with idiots.

Skoogsy glosses over anything and everything in order to emit his rainbows and unicorns rendition of reality in Sweden.

Heads in the denial-sand can't hear you (or anything other than the fabricated narrative of non-sense they worship).

He claims no nation-wide housing shortage, and then is blown-out-of-the-water with facts, yet all he has is "Like when you come to new country don't expect vacant apartments in the city centre of the capital city waiting for you."

WTF? Just can't grasp the situation, eh, Skoogs-hole?

He somehow believes if you come to Sweden for work, and can't find a place to live, that it is the way it should be, and implies expecting to find a place to live, is over-the-top "entitlement"!

Like fuck, who in their right mind would expect to be able to live under a roof in Sweden whilst having a career.

If people are stupid enough to read the know-nothing's arguments, and believe them, they deserve a BIG taste of the Greasy Meatball! lol

Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Dec.2018, 07:00 PM

According to SOL §1 Swedish citizens have a right to accomodation which i agree is difficult in these times.
BUT why the hell should somebody with no connection to this country go before anybody else. If it is because of work, then the employer should fix it.

Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Dec.2018, 07:02 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 5.Dec.2018, 06:57 PM) *
Wallace, don't argue with idiots.

Skoogsy glosses over anything and everything in order to emit his rainbows and unicorns rendition of reality in Sweden.

Heads in the denial-sand can't hear you (or anything other than the fabricated narrative of non-sense they worship).

He claims no nation-wide housing shortage, and then is blown-out-of-the-water with facts, yet all he has is "Like when you come to new country don't expect vacant apartments in the city centre of the capital city waiting for you."

WTF? Just can't grasp the situation, eh, Skoogs-hole?

He somehow believes if you come to Sweden for work, and can't find a place to live, that it is the way it should be, and implies expecting to find a place to live, is over-the-top "entitlement"!

Like fuck, who in their right mind would expect to be able to live under a roof in Sweden whilst having a career.

If people are stupid enough to read the know-nothing's arguments, and believe them, they deserve a BIG taste of the Greasy Meatball! lol


You and Wallace just have chips on your shoulders. Get a life. As i said before, you must be having lots of fun in Germany

Posted by: wallace1837 5.Dec.2018, 07:10 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 5.Dec.2018, 08:02 PM) *
You and Wallace just have chips on your shoulders. Get a life. As i said before, you must be having lots of fun in Germany

Why don't you focus on the issue at hand (housing crisis and dysfunctional housing system) instead of picking on the people who can actually read and present meaningful information.

Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Dec.2018, 08:13 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 5.Dec.2018, 07:10 PM) *
Why don't you focus on the issue at hand (housing crisis and dysfunctional housing system) instead of picking on the people who can actually read and present meaningful information.



You have had explanations time after time. Again why should you expect to get housing directly when you arrive. I agree that the housing situation is bad but there are many Swedish citizens in line before you.

ps read other posts before you spout your hatred about this country

Posted by: wallace1837 5.Dec.2018, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 5.Dec.2018, 07:57 PM) *
Wallace, don't argue with idiots.


QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 5.Dec.2018, 09:13 PM) *
Again why should you expect to get housing directly when you arrive.

I agree Gjeebes there is no point in arguing the difference between having housing provided and having access to a rental housing marketplace.

Posted by: skogsbo 5.Dec.2018, 09:56 PM

Sweden doesn't allow people to come to beg. It allows people from the eu to travel here. A grumpy brit with a chip on their shoulder arrives here because of exactly the same eu legislation as a Romanian beggar. They rattle times, others expect the red carpet.

Posted by: skogsbo 5.Dec.2018, 10:01 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 5.Dec.2018, 06:10 PM) *
Why don't you focus on the issue at hand (housing crisis and dysfunctional housing system) instead of picking on the people who can actually read and present meaningful information.

Just get out of the capital city. Like any country they are full of exceptions to the rules.
There is plenty growth in other cities or large towns, industry and housing construction. Wages are are a little lower, but house price at least half of Stockholm.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Dec.2018, 11:31 PM

China has an extremely high vacancy rate, you can pick and choose all day long, why not give it a try??? rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Dec.2018, 11:18 AM

For some reason the original links have been altered and many don't work properly.

I will repost some of them even though some of the articles have been removed from the original website... how convenient.

How wonder why a country like sweden is so obsessed with hiding their scheme instead of building and removing the 5+ year queue, the second market and the black market to find rentals. Wouldn't it be much easier instead of having to alter content users post to make it inaccessible?.

255 of Sweden’s 290 municipalities now report a housing shortage.
https://www.boverket.se/sv/samhallsplanering/bostadsplanering/bostadsmarknaden/bostadsmarknadsenkaten-i-korthet/

The Misery of Finding an Apartment in Stockholm
http://lostinstockholm.com/2010/11/15/the-misery-of-finding-an-apartment-in-stockholm/

Housing queue now '20 years' in parts of capital
https://www.thelocal.se/20150130/insecure-apartment-seekers-on-the-rise

Sweden and its famous queue for rentals in some areas 20 year queue!!!.
http://www.bbc.com/capital/story/20160517-this-is-one-city-where-youll-never-find-a-home


20,000 students without housing in Sweden
https://www.thelocal.se/20150709/20000-students-without-housing-in-sweden

This one from 2010!!
Student housing shortage worse than ever
https://www.thelocal.se/20100723/27966

225,000 Gothenburgers in the queue for ‘long-term’ housing
http://gothenburg-400.com/225000-gothenburgers-in-the-queue-for-long-term-housing/

A roof over your head – the face of the housing crisis
https://news.cision.com/fotografiska/r/a-roof-over-your-head---the-face-of-the-housing-crisis,c2551550

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Dec.2018, 12:28 PM

Housing shortage throughout the country despite the construction grants - municipal billion bonuses hard-examined

http://www.dagensjuridik.se/2018/12/bostadsbrist-i-hela-landet-trots-byggbidragen-kommunala-miljardbonusar-hardgranskas

QUOTE
There is a housing shortage in principle throughout Sweden - despite the fact that in 2016 the government introduced a billion contribution to the municipalities to stimulate housing construction.


I wonder sweden will fix and acknowledge there is a problem when companies start moving their production to other countries.

Posted by: skogsbo 28.Dec.2018, 12:50 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 28.Dec.2018, 11:28 AM) *
Housing shortage throughout the country despite the


https://www.maklarhuset.se/bostad/sverige/stockholm

https://www.hemnet.se/bostader?

https://bostadsportal.se/hyresbostad/hus?gclid=Cj0KCQiAsJfhBRCaARIsAO68ZM6yXksnIG9iBZai6oYdA0sYETZ-dKcNwUztduJsY3SZngk3xssUY98a

Posted by: wallace1837 28.Dec.2018, 03:18 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 28.Dec.2018, 01:50 PM) *
https://www.maklarhuset.se/bostad/sverige/stockholm

https://www.hemnet.se/bostader?

https://bostadsportal.se/hyresbostad/hus?gclid=Cj0KCQiAsJfhBRCaARIsAO68ZM6yXksnIG9iBZai6oYdA0sYETZ-dKcNwUztduJsY3SZngk3xssUY98a

Stupid people only look on the supply side to analyse an imbalance between supply and demand.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Dec.2018, 03:35 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 28.Dec.2018, 01:50 PM) *
https://www.maklarhuset.se/bostad/sverige/stockholm

https://www.hemnet.se/bostader?

https://bostadsportal.se/hyresbostad/hus?gclid=Cj0KCQiAsJfhBRCaARIsAO68ZM6yXksnIG9iBZai6oYdA0sYETZ-dKcNwUztduJsY3SZngk3xssUY98a



Second hand short term rentals or just for buyers.
Most people who cannot buy live in short term second hand with contracts of 6 months to 1 year and even less time. That's what nobody says on the news.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Dec.2018, 03:37 PM

https://mundus-international.com/swedens-housing-problem/

QUOTE
The building of houses and flats has failed to keep up with the pace of population growth. Of the country’s 290 municipalities, 255 say there is a lack of housing. That number has increased significantly in just the last two years, after Sweden experienced a large growth in population. Recent immigrants are having the most difficulty finding accommodation. Building has also not kept up with the pace of urbanisation and there are stories in the media on a near daily basis about the shortage of accommodation, particularly in Stockholm, which is one of Europe’s fastest growing cities.


QUOTE
The problem is, that the queue for first-hand contracts now has more than half a million people on it – seven times the number 15 years ago – and the average wait time is now more than nine years28. Meanwhile, second-hand contracts are exchanged for far more on the black market.


Eventually companies will move their production to other places in the EU or elsewhere and sweden will lose their key companies that gave them prosperity. In a globalized world it's not worth it doing business in a country that systematically makes the life of other people hard through second hand rentals and black markets.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Dec.2018, 03:43 PM

This is from 2013!
https://www.thelocal.se/20130311/46672

Linköping, in central Sweden, has over 19,000 people waiting in line for an apartment.


Article from this month
Housing Shortage: 636,000 Stockholm Residents in Housing Queue, Only 85 Vacancies

QUOTE
The figures are much the same across Sweden with a total of nearly a million people in municipal housing queues in Sweden’s three largest cities, Stockholm, Malmö, and Gothenburg Swedish broadcaster SVT reports.


https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2018/12/02/housing-shortage-636000-stockholm-residents-in-housing-queue-with-only-85-vacancies/


From Gothenburg a city with just 500,000 residents not the biggest in Europe.

225,000 Gothenburgers in the queue for ‘long-term’ housing
http://gothenburg-400.com/225000-gothenburgers-in-the-queue-for-long-term-housing/

I don't know who can be delusional to not see the problem.

Posted by: skogsbo 28.Dec.2018, 05:10 PM

Are you saying 225,000 are homeless there?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Dec.2018, 05:41 PM

Outdoor living is healthier for you...Buy a tent!!!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 28.Dec.2018, 10:18 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Dec.2018, 06:41 PM) *
Outdoor living is healthier for you...Buy a tent!!!


That's like the answer the villager who knows his scheme is working out and try to cynically make fun of the situation he has created in the first place.

I wish one day you all end up living in a tent.
I will say it again and again. Terrible and cynical culture. The worst on earth.

Posted by: wallace1837 28.Dec.2018, 10:22 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 28.Dec.2018, 10:18 PM) *
That's like the answer the villager who knows his scheme is working out and try to cynically make fun of the situation he has created in the first place.

I wish one day you all end up living in a tent.
I will say it again and again. Terrible and cynical culture. The worst on earth.

Just so you know, Gamla never lived in Sweden. So take everything he says with a huge grain of salt. He has no information, no living experience. Nevertheless he spend his time on an expat forum about Sweden...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.Dec.2018, 12:32 AM

"The Local Sweden's news in English"

FYI The proper name/purpose of this site is above...

Location of those allowed to post/participate is not stipulated as any condition to be here...

Even people who had problems/difficulty living in the land of their birth and have come to Sweden are allowed to participate here...

This is NOT an ex-pat only forum!!!

Posted by: wallace1837 29.Dec.2018, 02:25 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 28.Dec.2018, 11:18 AM) *
I will repost some of them even though some of the articles have been removed from the original website... how convenient.

You can use the wayback machine. https://archive.org/web/

You can archive links using "Save Page Now" on https://archive.org/web/ . Then you can cite the original and give the direct link to the archive document at a specific date. If something happen to one, people will be able to refer to the other one.

Posted by: wallace1837 29.Dec.2018, 02:29 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.Dec.2018, 12:32 AM) *
"The Local Sweden's news in English"

FYI The proper name/purpose of this site is above...

Location of those allowed to post/participate is not stipulated as any condition to be here...

Even people who had problems/difficulty living in the land of their birth and have come to Sweden are allowed to participate here...

This is NOT an ex-pat only forum!!!

The name of this section is "Life in Sweden" and the title of this thread is "The misery of trying to find apartment in sweden". In order to reduce noise, it would be nice if people who have information and/or experience with living in Sweden and searching for apartment would post here.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 29.Dec.2018, 04:47 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 29.Dec.2018, 03:25 AM) *
You can use the wayback machine. https://archive.org/web/

You can archive links using "Save Page Now" on https://archive.org/web/ . Then you can cite the original and give the direct link to the archive document at a specific date. If something happen to one, people will be able to refer to the other one.



Thanks for the link.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 29.Dec.2018, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 29.Dec.2018, 03:29 AM) *
The name of this section is "Life in Sweden" and the title of this thread is "The misery of trying to find apartment in sweden". In order to reduce noise, it would be nice if people who have information and/or experience with living in Sweden and searching for apartment would post here.



The thing is I have posted all kind of information that shows there is big problem but as you can see the only answers we see are.

- Deny the problem exists.
- Shift the blame on others.
- Downplay the problem.
- Mockery.

What makes me think this housing rental issue is all a real pyramid scheme. Basically they are doing it on purpose.

In Spain despite we have 76 millions visits a year we never heard of queues for rentals or second hand market.

The market there is not like in sweden where people need to either live in second hand short term rental with misery contracts of 3,6 months.

But what makes the situation more insulting is many swedes think this situation is normal elsewhere. That the queues for rentals are common in other countries, that having to live like a nomad or paying 70% of your salary just to be able to afford a place to live is the norm in other countries.

I have seen swedes smiling when I told them I may had to leave eventually. And it's weird feeling this country has a very very nasty dark side that I haven't seen in other cultures.
And the way they look the other way, the way many behave as if nothing was happening makes me think many in this country people are playing ball with the system because if there is something swedes hate is foreign competition. They want cleaners and servants.

In my country scandinavians are buying more and more and I think we should stop that because these people brag about it. Literally they do brag about it. In some occasions they smile at me and say they are buying everything in Spain. It's a very creepy mindset that I have never seen in other cultures.

Posted by: bonviveur 29.Dec.2018, 05:25 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 29.Dec.2018, 05:01 PM) *
The thing is I have posted all kind of information that shows there is big problem but as you can see the only answers we see are.

- Deny the problem exists.
- Shift the blame on others.
- Downplay the problem.
- Mockery.

What makes me think this housing rental issue is all a real pyramid scheme. Basically they are doing it on purpose.

In Spain despite we have 76 millions visits a year we never heard of queues for rentals or second hand market.

The market there is not like in sweden where people need to either live in second hand short term rental with misery contracts of 3,6 months.

But what makes the situation more insulting is many swedes think this situation is normal elsewhere. That the queues for rentals are common in other countries, that having to live like a nomad or paying 70% of your salary just to be able to afford a place to live is the norm in other countries.

I have seen swedes smiling when I told them I may had to leave eventually. And it's weird feeling this country has a very very nasty dark side that I haven't seen in other cultures.
And the way they look the other way, the way many behave as if nothing was happening makes me think many in this country people are playing ball with the system because if there is something swedes hate is foreign competition. They want cleaners and servants.

In my country scandinavians are buying more and more and I think we should stop that because these people brag about it. Literally they do brag about it. In some occasions they smile at me and say they are buying everything in Spain. It's a very creepy mindset that I have never seen in other cultures.


this problem exist in Sweden because government over regulats rental market here. there is always a problem when governments try to regulate something artificially.

Posted by: skogsbo 29.Dec.2018, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 29.Dec.2018, 03:47 PM) *
Thanks for the link.

No one is in denial, thousands of people who already have a home have at some point put their name down for state housing? It doesn't mean they are homeless.

You never said, are you homeless? More deserving of state housing? Or refugee fleeing war with no where to live? Mentally or physically Ill and booted out of your homeland...?

Why should the Swedish state enable you to rent public sector housing?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 29.Dec.2018, 09:57 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 29.Dec.2018, 07:24 PM) *
No one is in denial, thousands of people who already have a home have at some point put their name down for state housing? It doesn't mean they are homeless.

You never said, are you homeless? More deserving of state housing? Or refugee fleeing war with no where to live? Mentally or physically Ill and booted out of your homeland...?

Why should the Swedish state enable you to rent public sector housing?



In sweden people who cannot afford buying has to:

- Queue for 5+ years for public housing.
- Live in short term second hand rentals mostly 3 to 6 months contracts in average.
- Pay €10,000 under the table to skip the queue and get a first hand contract illegally.

In Spain

- We DO NOT queue for rentals.
- We do not have second hand market, in fact contracts are long term 1+ year because there are no regulations like in sweden limiting it.
- There is no black market because we don't have the trap like system sweden is.


You dishonestly are trying to avoid the fact that many don't want or can't buy an apartment and due to that they need a place to live. The only option is rentals.

If a country like sweden creates a system in which queuing 5+ years is the only way to get stable rentals, then sweden is either a country of incompetent people or they are simply doing it on purpose to let people in, get their money and then kick them out.

If you can't see these simple facts then I ask you... Are you mentally impeded?, low IQ, low education that doesn't allow you see a simple fact?. Do you need physiological help to cure your lack of empathy?.

What amazes me is every comment coming from you and the others reinforces me that this country is full of bad people with a very dishonest, dark mind.

I have told this story to friends in Spain and they end up shocked but the only ones who downplay and try to give false arguments is people like you who are supposedly integrated in the system.


That's why I think everything about scandinavia is rotted. Just reading your comments sounds more like a serial killer who is trying to convince the police that his crime was actually just. Which actually very common in sweden and most scandinavian countries. when caught they just try to rationalize or deny the problem or act as nothing happened.

But I guess in order for the scheme to work out and go on, they need the support and compliance of people like you.

Posted by: Svedallas 29.Dec.2018, 11:14 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Dec.2018, 05:41 PM) *
Outdoor living is healthier for you...Buy a tent!!!


past that stage.

Pepito should check into a mental institute.
What a load of bullshit! Who reads the posts from the idiot anymore? Waste of time.

haha

Posted by: wallace1837 30.Dec.2018, 02:24 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 30.Dec.2018, 12:14 AM) *
past that stage.

Pepito should check into a mental institute.
What a load of bullshit! Who reads the posts from the idiot anymore? Waste of time.

haha

Pepito is fine. He is collecting info on the dysfunction of Sweden. People in denial hates that and launch personal attack. This is really low.

Note that no one found information or data to contradict Pepito and the information he presented.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Dec.2018, 02:54 AM

Biting the hand that allowed you to be away from the land of your birth which you found lacking in the ability to provide you with the life you expected, is not a thing to be considered a good example of the persons involved, no matter what is cut and pasted to provide proof of your new country's inferiority as compared to the land of your birth which obviously you turned your back on and left...

So why do you stay in a place you hate???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 30.Dec.2018, 03:02 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 30.Dec.2018, 12:14 AM) *
past that stage.

Pepito should check into a mental institute.
What a load of bullshit! Who reads the posts from the idiot anymore? Waste of time.

haha


You go first to that mental institution, you are not only a passive aggressive pro. But also a hypocritical narrow minded with no critical thinking to see a problem that will eventually bring sweden into the biggest economic disaster since the 1990s.

You sir are not very smart or maybe as I said you are just playing ball with the system and try to divert attention.

Housing is a great filter to get rid of competition. Nothing like making access to housing impossible. The scandinavian way. Unique.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Dec.2018, 03:06 AM

How long have you been in Sweden and how long have you lived at your present address???

Posted by: wallace1837 30.Dec.2018, 04:42 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 30.Dec.2018, 03:06 AM) *
How long have you been in Sweden and how long have you lived at your present address???

Always asking personal question when the dysfunctions of Sweden are exposed.

Posted by: skogsbo 30.Dec.2018, 08:15 AM

If it's so bad here but great in Spain and you think sweden will crash soon, there is a solution that might make you a happier person?

If I voluntarily move some where, I don't expect the state to provide me with housing. I have to make things happen for me. It is migration for employment, not housing after all.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Dec.2018, 10:02 PM

"Always asking personal question when the dysfunctions of Sweden are exposed."

And is it not personal to say you should not post if you don't live in Sweden???

Posted by: Svedallas 31.Dec.2018, 01:05 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 30.Dec.2018, 03:02 AM) *
You go first to that mental institution, you are not only a passive aggressive pro. But also a hypocritical narrow minded with no critical thinking to see a problem that will eventually bring sweden into the biggest economic disaster since the 1990s.

You sir are not very smart or maybe as I said you are just playing ball with the system and try to divert attention.

Housing is a great filter to get rid of competition. Nothing like making access to housing impossible. The scandinavian way. Unique.


No one wants to rent to you because you're a miserable asshole.
Let state the fact here. And you sound mentally challenged.

Posted by: wallace1837 31.Dec.2018, 02:17 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 30.Dec.2018, 11:02 PM) *
"Always asking personal question when the dysfunctions of Sweden are exposed."

And is it not personal to say you should not post if you don't live in Sweden???



QUOTE (Svedallas @ 31.Dec.2018, 02:05 AM) *
No one wants to rent to you because you're a miserable asshole.
Let state the fact here. And you sound mentally challenged.

I never said you should not post here. I just wish that the meaningless people who have no information or experience about life in Sweden should not post their nonsense in a thread about housing in Sweden. There is really a lot of noise between people who are legitimately seeking information and people who are providing reliable and meaningful information.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 31.Dec.2018, 03:22 AM

I thought this was a thread explaining to all readers that there are no apartments available and it was a rental scam run by Sweden to cheat and steal new comers money...

Also there is no problem finding apartments in Spain...

And that women move away when you sit next to them, etc., etc...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Jan.2019, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 31.Dec.2018, 02:05 AM) *
No one wants to rent to you because you're a miserable asshole.
Let state the fact here. And you sound mentally challenged.


You get away with those insults because you are being protected by the local.
Your comments is a clear expression of the simplicity in sweden.

But if you don't have the IQ to see the problem then you don't have the intelligence to make educated answers ;-)

Discrimination in sweden a field experiment:

https://www.thelocal.se/20161003/airbnb-accused-of-discrimination-in-sweden
https://www.quora.com/Does-Sweden-have-the-worlds-worst-housing-policy/answer/Stefan-Hill-1

Discrimination in the rental housing market in sweden: A field experiment on the Internet
https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0094119008000181

Ethnic and gender discrimination in the private rental housing market in Finland: A field experiment
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5576692/

" We sent 1459 inquiries regarding 800 apartments. We compared responses to standardized apartment inquiries including fictive Arabic-sounding, Finnish-sounding or Swedish-sounding female or male names. We found evidence of discrimination against Arabic-sounding names and male names. Inquiries including Arabic-sounding male names had the lowest probability of receiving a response, receiving a response to about 16% of the inquiries made, while Finnish-sounding female names received a response to 42% of the inquires. "

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Jan.2019, 06:10 PM

Another example that the rental system in sweden is a ticking bomb.

https://mitti.se/nyheter/dromlya-bostadsko-rekord/?omrade=lidingo

QUOTE
A tenant who queued for over 35 years in Stockholm's housing queue eventually got an apartment conveyed to him - a new record.


QUOTE
The gender of Bostadsförmedlingen in Stockholm continues to grow.

At the end of 2018, nearly 640,000 people are waiting for housing and the waiting period for the entire county is on average 10 years.

But the waiting times differ greatly between the municipalities and they are those who wait well much longer than that.


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Last year Anna Wedeman got her dream song in Vasastan after 33 years in the housing queue. With that, she ended up on the top list of the longest times in the queue which then received a residence mediated.

One on the list was then 34 years for a two-room apartment in Södermalm which was conveyed in 2017. A record that has now had to look at the battle.



Yeah sure that happens in other countries too...

Sweden mental state is... I don't want to see, I don't want to hear about it, I don't want to talk about it.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Jan.2019, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 30.Dec.2018, 05:42 AM) *
Always asking personal question when the dysfunctions of Sweden are exposed.


Sweden does not like inconvenient questions. So they use passive intimidation like spying on your private life or asking questions like these.

What they don't count with is I am Spanish and my testicles are the size of a bull, so no viking is going to intimidate me because as we say in my culture

"Victoria o muerte". Victory or death.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Jan.2019, 06:45 PM

And yet he wonders about why no woman will sit next to him on a bus!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Jan.2019, 10:04 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 4.Jan.2019, 07:45 PM) *
And yet he wonders about why no woman will sit next to him on a bus!!! laugh.gif


I have never had that problem in Spain EVER. Only in Sweden.

I have spoken with other people and they have told me it's normal in sweden, specially if you are not blond blue eyed.

Just something to give you some reality check about your mighty ultra progressive country.


https://www.savemysweden.com/swedes-socially-incompetent/

READ.

QUOTE
Gabriel Kuhn, philosophy doctor in poststructuralism, blames the failed integration in Sweden on the Swedish people. The Swedes are “socially incompetent,” he writes on Aftonbladet Debatt today, claiming that they face a “serious social problem” that cannot be solved with money.




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It is not very good for the so-called multicultural integration in Sweden. But translator Gabriel Kuhn in Aftonbladet today writes that this is not primarily the fault of immigrants, but the Swedes.

He writes that the Swedes are “socially incompetent” and that there is an important explanation as to why integration does not work.

According to Kuhn, the Swedes are unwilling to talk with recently arrived refugees. In fact several immigrants he met reportedly told him that he is the first Swedish person they have spoken to.

“Sweden has been more open to migrants than other European countries. The government places considerable resources on providing new housing, food and language training. Yet Sweden has one of the most segregated societies in Europe. There are several reasons for this, but social incapacity is a central puzzle piece,” he writes.



I realize that the real fake news are the ones I have been watching my entire life where scandinavians were supposed to be super progressive and us undeveloped people. We may not have as good job security and money but for sure we are more honest and speak about problems, in sweden SILENCE and always trying to KILL the messenger by isolating him or like in this forum insulting and dismissing any proof. That must be how progressive countries work.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Jan.2019, 10:13 PM

Another good article, difficult to find due to the media black out about the subject.

https://sverigesradio.se/sida/artikel.aspx?artikel=6283881

QUOTE
“It takes an average of 8.4 years to get an apartment here. By comparison, in cities like Oslo, Amsterdam, Helsinki and Brussels it takes one to two weeks," said Hannah.


Just imagine having to wait 8 years to find stable rental when in most countries in Europe it takes two weeks.

In my lazy and disorganized country we wait two weeks to one month to find rental apartment with contracts of 5 years. No queues, no black market.


This is how the rental market is stalled to force people buy apartments. Seems like a plan until sweden loses all its companies because they will move to countries where people don't have to queue for a decent apartment ;-)

QUOTE
According to Hannah, it takes an average of 10 years to build an apartment building in Sweden.




But wait wasn't I commenting over and over about the black market in sweden regarding rentals while others in this forum dismissed it as lies.

This is from the article and I quote.

QUOTE
Highly regulated rental housing in Sweden tends to result in a black market for contracts.


https://www.lvblcity.com/blog/2015/2/stockholms-black-housing-market-a-billion-sek-industry

It's good to be on denial because you can say over and over it's not true while the ship is sinking.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Jan.2019, 10:14 PM

And you left the land of your birth to live in Sweden...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Jan.2019, 10:27 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 4.Jan.2019, 11:14 PM) *
And you left the land of your birth to live in Sweden...


What are you doing in the USA if you think your country is so mighty?.

My country is far from perfect however:

- We talk about problems and take the streets to demand a solution.
- We don't silence people and our media speak about the problems that affect us like unemployment and political corruption
- We don't dismiss problems.


Now sweden:

- People are passive, no social response to big problems like housing.
- Swedes don't like critics, usually they kill the messenger or ignore the problem.
- Passivity or silence. Just look at the media in sweden.


If 1 million people were in the queue to find rentals in Spain we would have made headlines everywhere and swedes would laugh at us saying that we are too lazy to build fast enough. But since it's happening in sweden they only make excuses saying the know all the facts but nothing is being done. This problem has been happening since 2000 but swedes know all the facts. Excuses and more excuses and passive attitude looking the other way and pretending nothing serious is happening.

In a globalized world sweden won't be able to compete because there are way better places to do business, more open and friendly for the workforce and CHEAPER.Believe it not it's already happening, some production is being moved to places where taxes are costs are lower and in those countries they don't have the rental issues sweden has.

Posted by: skogsbo 4.Jan.2019, 10:31 PM

Pep,

Are you homeless?
How many people who put their name down on a list are homeless?
Why should the state provide you with a flat, house etc.. ?

Posted by: wallace1837 4.Jan.2019, 10:47 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 4.Jan.2019, 10:31 PM) *
Pep,

Are you homeless?
How many people who put their name down on a list are homeless?
Why should the state provide you with a flat, house etc.. ?

Always asking personal question when the dysfunctions of Sweden are exposed.
"
Whataboutism
(also known as whataboutery) is a variant of the tu quoque logical fallacy that attempts to discredit an opponent's position by charging them with hypocrisy without directly refuting or disproving their argument, which in the United States is particularly associated with Soviet and Russian propaganda. When criticisms were leveled at the Soviet Union during the Cold War, the Soviet response would often be "What about..." followed by an event in the Western world." source: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

Posted by: skogsbo 4.Jan.2019, 10:51 PM

Asking how many people who have their names down on a list isn't personal?

If a person makes dozens of posts complaining about a lack of housing you'd think they'd happily share why it impacts them.

Or perhaps it doesn't. They aren't homeless.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Jan.2019, 11:06 PM

"Whataboutism"

AKA: Tit for tat!!!

AKA: Pot calling the kettle black!!!

Ad nauseam!!!

Nothing new about the subject word!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: wallace1837 5.Jan.2019, 03:04 AM

Personal question:

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 4.Jan.2019, 10:31 PM) *
Are you homeless?

Whataboutism:
QUOTE (skogsbo @ 4.Jan.2019, 10:31 PM) *
How many people who put their name down on a list are homeless?

Whataboutism:
QUOTE (skogsbo @ 4.Jan.2019, 10:31 PM) *
Why should the state provide you with a flat, house etc.. ?


Now back to the dysfunctional housing system of Sweden.

Posted by: wallace1837 5.Jan.2019, 03:06 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Jan.2019, 06:06 PM) *
https://www.quora.com/Does-Sweden-have-the-worlds-worst-housing-policy/answer/Stefan-Hill-1

Really good link, thanks pepito!

Posted by: skogsbo 5.Jan.2019, 08:37 AM

Whataboutery... teenage speak for irrelevance?

Asking someone how the state housing waiting list impacts them is not irrelevant, especially on a thread of that title, which they seem happy to dominate?

Posted by: Bsmith 5.Jan.2019, 12:02 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Jan.2019, 09:04 PM) *
I have spoken with other people and they have told me it's normal in sweden, specially if you are not blond blue eyed.



You have a chip on your shoulder the size of Mount Everest.

First off, not all Swedes are blonde and blue eyed. And second, you moved to Sweden. Either make peace with that or move back to your homeland where you are (supposedly) so much more happy. Constantly whining about how you hate Sweden is not how "progressive" people act.

Posted by: SmokerT69 5.Jan.2019, 12:47 PM

Even in a small town like Sandviken, the waiting times are around a year. My wife and I were living in a private place, which we passed on to her brother since she had enough points. The waiting times are a bit extreme... the private places are a bit more expensive I'm guessing as well? Our place was 95m2 and cost 8,800 if I remember correctly. Meanwhile, our new place through the city which is a lot nicer, but still the same size, costs only 7k.

Posted by: Svedallas 7.Jan.2019, 07:48 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 31.Dec.2018, 02:17 AM) *
I never said you should not post here. I just wish that the meaningless people who have no information or experience about life in Sweden should not post their nonsense in a thread about housing in Sweden. There is really a lot of noise between people who are legitimately seeking information and people who are providing reliable and meaningful information.


Lets state the facts here. Wallace you are STUPID!

If you had any decent qualifications, and worked for a reputable company, they would have paid for a lawyer and you would have a work permit. Simple as that.

But instead, you are a low skilled asshole, with zero skills worth Sweden keeping.
Rightfully you were rejected.

Leave Sweden you miserable fuck, and stop posting bullshit and blaming Sweden for your lifes failures.

You are not wanted in this country, just as much as you post so much hate on Sweden. LEAVE SWEDEN.

Posted by: wallace1837 8.Jan.2019, 02:25 AM

Personal attack that that does not contribute the the thread. Plus you are making a bunch of assumption that are wrong.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 7.Jan.2019, 08:48 PM) *
Lets state the facts here. Wallace you are STUPID!

If you had any decent qualifications, and worked for a reputable company, they would have paid for a lawyer and you would have a work permit. Simple as that.

But instead, you are a low skilled asshole, with zero skills worth Sweden keeping.
Rightfully you were rejected.

Leave Sweden you miserable fuck, and stop posting bullshit and blaming Sweden for your lifes failures.

You are not wanted in this country, just as much as you post so much hate on Sweden. LEAVE SWEDEN.

Posted by: wallace1837 8.Jan.2019, 03:50 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 7.Jan.2019, 07:48 PM) *
If you had any decent qualifications, and worked for a reputable company, they would have paid for a lawyer and you would have a work permit. Simple as that.

Like http://centrumforrattvisa.se/arbetskraftsinvandring/danyar-mohammed-mot-migrationsverket/ you mean?

Posted by: skogsbo 8.Jan.2019, 08:37 AM

What matters more than a person's qualification is the demand for them in that country and if that demand generates sufficient salary to live off.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 9.Jan.2019, 07:11 PM

Woman had to wait ten months for accommodation

QUOTE
The Authority believes that the waiting period should not exceed three months.

"Depends on housing shortage"

Kungsbacka municipality is of the opinion that the reason for the delay depends on the lack of housing in the municipality. They also mean that the woman has had security alarms and help in the home with 66 hours per month.



https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/halland/kvinna-fick-vanta-i-tio-manader-pa-boende

Posted by: skogsbo 9.Jan.2019, 07:24 PM

Pep... sounds like a great example of why you shouldn't be on a state housing list when there are those which need extra support from other services in the queue as well.

If you like me, chose to travel here of our own free will, then we shouldn't be taking housing from those who might not be fully capable physically or mentally.

Edit. I'm making the presumption you realise this was a woman waiting for a specialist care home or some form of secured sheltered housing. Not a flat or apartment.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 9.Jan.2019, 11:12 PM

[quote name='skogsbo' date='9.Jan.2019, 07:24 PM' post='938478']
Pep... sounds like a great example of why you shouldn't be on a state housing list when there are those which need extra support from other services in the queue as well.

If you like me, chose to travel here of our own free will, then we shouldn't be taking housing from those who might not be fully capable physically or mentally.

Edit. I'm making the presumption you realise this was a woman waiting for a specialist care home or some form of secured sheltered housing. Not a flat or apartment.
[/quote


Why should an immigrant have to pay an inflated cost for rent just because they are an immigrant?

You say that the housing lists for first hand contracts should be left for native Swedes and immigrants should have to pay higher in the private or black market?

That’s discrimination. Discrimination you impose upon yourself... weird.

The housing system in Sweden is broken.

Stable housing should not be made so difficult to obtain or at higher costs just for being an immigrant.

A lot of people tell pepito to move back but they have said they make good money. They obviously have an apartment... but... what old diaper wearing Gamla doesn’t get, dementia, is that it isn’t a stable situation and that someone who is working and paying taxes should not be forced to move around every six months or a year or have to pay inflated costs because the system is broken.

Posted by: skogsbo 10.Jan.2019, 08:22 AM

What...

You are obviously trolling but I'll take the bait anyway.

No. State housing should be for vulnerable people or those in real need of any nationality.

But healthy eu migrant workers, with a job, should be the lowest priority. If someone like in his example above joins the list, they take a place above the healthy full faculties eu migrant worker. We presuming you are one too, aren't a special case at all.

Posted by: bonviveur 10.Jan.2019, 09:53 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 10.Jan.2019, 08:22 AM) *
What...

You are obviously trolling but I'll take the bait anyway.

No. State housing should be for vulnerable people or those in real need of any nationality.

But healthy eu migrant workers, with a job, should be the lowest priority. If someone like in his example above joins the list, they take a place above the healthy full faculties eu migrant worker. We presuming you are one too, aren't a special case at all.

thats a case in every other decent country, but sweden regulates rental market for everybody, it is not a free market, lets not forget that. Rental market today is another fine example of swedish bueraucrats achievements sad.gif

Posted by: skogsbo 10.Jan.2019, 11:41 AM

QUOTE (bonviveur @ 10.Jan.2019, 08:53 AM) *
sweden regulates rental market for everybody, it is not a free market, lets not forget that. ...


You can rent privately in Sweden, not just from the state. Is it over regulated as you say. Or is it not regulated which allows 2nd hand contracts, private tenant association to approve future tenants etc ? Can't be both?

Posted by: djmarko 12.Jan.2019, 10:54 AM

if everyone was allowed to rent their apartment to whoever they choose to without needing approval from the housing association, watch how Stockholm scarce apartments to rent will disappear overnight, someone told me there are over 100K empty apartments in Stockholm, there are individuals with more than 1 property, this is artificial scarcity due to strict laws in Sweden unfortunately

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 13.Jan.2019, 04:40 PM

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/bostadskrisen-forvarras-nya-forslag-fran-miljopartiet-och-liberalerna

August 2018

QUOTE
Housing shortage in the country increasingly worse - "young people cannot afford to buy"


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The difficult housing shortage in Sweden is about to worsen further, according to the National Board of Housing, Building and Planning. Nevertheless, the housing issue has a desire with its absence in the election movement. But today there are games and suggestions from both the government camp and the alliance side.
- Young people with ordinary income cannot afford to buy a regular one. So we just can't have it, says Mats Persson (L).



And here the most interesting part of how the system promotes buy only in a subtle way.

QUOTE
- There should be rental apartments in Sweden. But we want to send a clear signal that it is good if people own their own accommodation, says Mats Persson, financial-political spokesman for the Liberals.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 13.Jan.2019, 04:43 PM

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/val2018/bortglomda-valfragan-tusentals-unga-i-bostadsko

August 2018

QUOTE
Forgotten election question - thousands of young people in housing queue


QUOTE
We may have answered 50 ads, but we usually get the message that it is already rented out if we get any answer at all, says Emma for SVT Västernorrland.


QUOTE
Six of seven municipalities in Västernorrland have, according to the National Board of Housing, Building and Planning, "imbalance" in the housing market for young people. Only Ånge has a balance, but in other municipalities there is a shortage of the type of housing that is relevant for young people - rental apartments.



QUOTE
For those who have money, there are condominiums to buy, but there is no solution for Emma Nettelbladt. She does not have the money and does not believe that the banks are willing to lend. A newly produced second on the Northern quay in Sundsvall costs from 1.7 million upwards.

- No to buy a home is not a solution for us and I believe that this applies to many other housing seekers as well. We are looking for a rental right for 5-6,000 a month. We can afford that.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 13.Jan.2019, 05:21 PM

There's always going to be shortage housing in Sweden while capitalism exists.

Building new homes to suit needs would mean a downfall in house prices and in turn will see rents go down and that's not good for the small amount of people who deal in land and property. The moderate party are to blame for this by allowing property's to be sold to the highest bidder. Useful to know also is the moderate party want to allow landlords to raise rents freewill.
In the old socislist days houses where always being built to keep up with needs. This kept house prices and rents stable thus buying and rent was easy.

So until times change, getting a home is going to get even harder.

Of course there are other alternatives.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 17.Jan.2019, 06:18 PM

https://www.buildingsweden.com/the-swedish-construction-industry-isnt-even-meeting-half-of-the-demand

QUOTE
“The Swedish construction industry isn’t even meeting half of the demand”


QUOTE
A current dip in construction rates has only served to exacerbate Sweden’s acute housing shortage, especially amongst youths. According to the Swedish Construction Federations own predictions the current rate of construction has decreased by 33% between 2017 and 2019, a trend that goes completely against what the market is asking for.

Posted by: djmarko 19.Jan.2019, 10:07 AM

There are 1000s of apartments in Hemnet to buy, if you have the means, you can surely get one, rental? non existent, never! even if you have a good income, not a chance, only alternative is to buy

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Feb.2019, 05:15 PM

QUOTE (djmarko @ 19.Jan.2019, 11:07 AM) *
There are 1000s of apartments in Hemnet to buy, if you have the means, you can surely get one, rental? non existent, never! even if you have a good income, not a chance, only alternative is to buy



That's the trap about sweden.
In most countries people have the option to rent but sweden keeps it quiet. They know they crash those who cannot afford to buy or don't want to buy.
That's what the queues to find rentals are for, that's what the second hand rental market is for. It's all designed in such a way to get your money and kick you out if you don't play by their strict rules.

Then swedes act like if nothing was happening.
I would like to see actual figures of immigrants who actually manage to stay in sweden for more than 3 years. I cannot imagine sweden is an easy country for an immigrant.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Feb.2019, 05:58 PM

https://www.svd.se/nytt-rekord-636000-i-bostadsko-i-stockholm

"The housing queue in Stockholm sets a new record. The number of queues increased in the past year to 636,000 - at the same time as Bostadsförmedlingen mediated only 7,900 ordinary rented apartments that were not earmarked. But many of them went to internal queues."

"he queuing time has become one quarter longer since last year. 2017, it took 11.0 years to get a regular "used" rental right through Bostadsförmedlingen in Stockholm, but in 2018 it increased the queue time to 11.3 years."

Note that 250,000 people queue in gothenburg and almost 125,000 in Malmö and the problem even persists in in towns with 90,000 people with queues of 4 years.

Posted by: cootje1976 4.Feb.2019, 10:11 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 3.Feb.2019, 05:15 PM) *
That's the trap about sweden.
In most countries people have the option to rent but sweden keeps it quiet. They know they crash those who cannot afford to buy or don't want to buy.
That's what the queues to find rentals are for, that's what the second hand rental market is for. It's all designed in such a way to get your money and kick you out if you don't play by their strict rules.

Then swedes act like if nothing was happening.
I would like to see actual figures of immigrants who actually manage to stay in sweden for more than 3 years. I cannot imagine sweden is an easy country for an immigrant.



We have been living here for more than 6 years now. In the beginning in a rental villa (was more like a holiday thingy ) for about 2 years, and then we decided to buy a house, because the lessor wanted a higher increase in rent. We were first @9000 SEK and then they bumped it to 15000 SEK.
Now since we hate the city (any city for that matter) and love outside life we decided to buy a house about 90 KM away from Stockholm in Uppsala county. Basically between Uppsala and Hallstavik. Awesome living, love the quietness, and the forest walks are epic, plus our dog loves it.

Now we are lucky that we found the house, we went from a 62m3 Villa to a 200m3 Villa, with a 3100m3 lot, for UNDER a million, Older but in very good condition, the previous owner was not able to do the upkeep anymore; minimal work had to be done.

The crunch is more in the cities, but if you are willing to venture outside of the cities, and you have a means of transport of your own, I would recommend it. Travel time is about an hour, to work (we are working in Stockholm).

Now the crunch here is partially artificial; I work with so many people who do have 2 apartments in the Stockholm area, or people who do own an apartment only for speculative reasons…. Hence there is a shortage. The Shortage was good for a whole lot of people, because they have been making a lot of money on the overpriced property in the Stockholm area. Thing is that now it will be a bit harder since there are a couple of things happening that will have a knock-on effect on the price:

1: The low interest rates were due to the fact that the overall economy in Europe was in a slump, and therefore to prop up the economy, they did lower the interest rates significantly, leading to more purchasing power. Take not that a bad economy translates to lower interest rates, and a good economy to higher interest rates.
Now what is happening is that in retrospect, the housing prices and the associated boom, have been related to the low interest rates, the market speculation, and the lax intervention of the Swedish Riksbank, that was politically fuelled, since no one wanted to have rules to govern the rise of the property prices.

2: The Swedes (and the Nordic countries overall) have a very high debt ratio. I mean like stunningly high. Same goes for housing; some people are actually in apartments/ houses that technically it makes no sense for them to be in. But the issue is now that most people were only paying the interest on their houses/ apartments, and are at risk of never owning their property, and that at some moment, due to regulations and changes in current legislation, those properties will be offloaded to the market because people might not be able to afford it anymore. That is when the bubble will burst.

3: Now a lot of Swedes might tell you that there is no bubble, or believe that the market will correct itself. Take note that Lehman, Bear Sterns, Fanny Mae, and Freddy Mac, all large investment firms and banks, were stating the same on higher and lower notes at the beginning of the crises in 2007 (I was in the thick of it at the AMN-AMRO at the time!). “There is no bubble” …. We know exactly what happened.
Swedes and the Nordics in general are always keen to point out that the causes were not the same for that bubble, but in essence it is always spurred due to overinflated prices, interest only mortgages, and a stretched economy. There is a reason why even the scholars here do think that a median increase in the household expenses to 3500SEK could cause a lot of homeowners to bail….

My advise: look for a rental outside of city, or try to find a smaller house around that area to buy. Sometimes they have bargains out there since everyone flocks to the city, leading to higher prices and difficulties in finding a place. I tend to avoid apartments here, because you’d never ‘own’ your apartment; you’ll need a mortgage, and you need to additionally pay for the ‘privilege’ to be able to live in the apartment; so mortgage payment plus bostadstadsrätt.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Feb.2019, 09:07 PM

The problem is most rentals are second hand and therefore are meant to be short term. So it's the same situation even if I leave the major cities.

I think the whole problem is artificially created and it's good to keep people out of the country. As you said most of the country is empty with the three major cities with some population but they are not the biggest cities in Europe either.

This is all done on purpose. Swedes know how to look the other way because they don't like foreigners and they know that by keeping this rental market a lot of people will have to leave.

So this is a country that calls itself humanitarian superpower but they use rental market as a way to keep people out of sweden.

Let's be honest this country is almost empty. This rental nonsense shouldn't exist. But everytime I ask a swede they smile but they don't give me an answer... Weird maybe they are all in.

Posted by: skogsbo 5.Feb.2019, 06:50 AM

Pep,
Are you still homeless?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Feb.2019, 06:14 PM

Can you tell us how many people left Sweden because they could not find a place to live???

If you found a place, why couldn't they???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 13.Feb.2019, 05:54 PM

https://www.svensktnaringsliv.se/fragor/kompetensforsorjning/bostadsbristen-stoppar-nyckelrekryteringar_729938.html

"The housing shortage stops key recruitments
Companies scream for labor, but the labor force cannot afford to move where the jobs exist. This can lead to unimaginable consequences for the business community and much depends on a poorly functioning housing market. But how do you deal with the problems? This is the starting point of the Confederation of Swedish Enterprise's new report "Labor without housing".

"The poorly functioning housing market is a ticking bomb for both the business sector and for young people on the way out to the labor market. The report "Workforce without housing" included in the series "A challenged Sweden" wants to draw attention to the need for structural reforms that are needed to deal with the major problems that exist in the poorly functioning housing market and how it affects the companies' need for supply of skills. And not least - for young people's opportunity to become professionals and create their own lives.

The image that appears is gloomy. Particularly clear is the problem for younger adults and their ability to move to the regions where the jobs are located. On the one hand, they have more difficulty moving from home than before - according to the Tenant Association's survey, 260,000 young adults aged 20-27 still live at home. Secondly, the young people have more difficulty moving from their place of study to the place of work."


So sweden wants such a closed system that even companies will eventually leave since they cannot find the labor they need.

Now only sweden is expensive but they lack of the housing infrastructure to propel the economy forward and compete with other countries that can offer a better and more flexible system.

This obsession with keeping sweden protected will make sweden lose it all.

Because let's be honest it's all planned but their plan is getting out of control. ;-)

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Feb.2019, 04:36 PM

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/efter-35-olika-andrahandsboenden-har-caroline-fatt-ett-hem

"After 35 different second-hand homes, Caroline has got a home"

"She(Caroline) has moved around in second-hand apartments or rooms along all the commuter trains to get somewhere to live with her son. In total, she expects it to have 35 different addresses in ten years."


https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/finns-tyvarr-inget-bra-rad-att-ge?cmpid=del:tw:20190222:finns-tyvarr-inget-bra-rad-att-ge:nyh:lp

"Per Bolund: 'Unfortunately, there is no good advice to give'"
"Finance Minister Per Bolund (MP) hopes that the January agreement will make it easier for young people to get their own rent right. But in the short term it will still be tough, he says in Aktuellt."

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 09:52 PM

Another article explaning this housing crisis not only affects big cities but small towns with just 70,000 people.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/luleas-bostadsbrist-kan-bli-hett-amne-i-kvallens-opinion-live

QUOTE
The subject of housing shortage is much more than just a metropolitan issue today as many smaller municipalities also suffer from the lack of housing, such as Luleå.


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During Thursday's Opinion Live in SVT, among other things, the young people's challenges with the housing shortage were discussed and several Luleå residents were on a link from Kulturens Hus in Luleå.


Just imagine how bad the situation is that even a small town with just 70,000 people in the most northen area of sweden admits they are having issues to find accommodation to people.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 11.Mar.2019, 06:32 PM

The lack of housing in sweden is not only in major cities but it's widespread throughout the country.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/vasterbotten/hor-vad-vindelnborna-tycker-om-satsningen

Small town called Vindeln, population 2,333 people and reports lack of housing!.

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It is a housing shortage in Vindeln - and now the municipality wants to invest in two new residential areas. Several residents in the municipality believe that the investment is well-needed.
- It has been built on took too little in Vindeln. It is mainly the young people who need somewhere to live, says Annika Hedman in Vindeln.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 11.Mar.2019, 06:38 PM

The lack of housing in sweden have been long since 2009 with same issues, same black market and same wide spread scams.

Blog written by a Spaniard in 2010. Same issues as in 2019 nothing has changed. Incompetence or simply a system designed that way to force people take a loan and buy?.

Now the problem is not only in stockholm but it's everywhere in the country.

http://monkeygoestosweden.blogspot.com/2010/08/primeros-dias-en-estocolmo-el-infierno.html?m=1

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Many people may find it incredible that it is so difficult to find a place to live in a European capital. Normally if you are willing to pay you can find accommodation in Madrid, Paris, London ... wherever. But not in Stockholm. The situation is aggravated by the abundance of scammers who take advantage of desperate to try to cheat through the Internet, pretending to rent a flat nonexistent.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 11.Mar.2019, 06:40 PM

https://www.yourlivingcity.com/stockholm/essentials/finding-apartment-sweden/
Article from 2012. We are now in 2019 and nothing has changed.

The horrors of apartment hunting in Sweden

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If you’ve had to search for an apartment in Sweden, you know it’s hard work. Expect to have to join waiting lists. Spend days or weeks sitting in front of the computer refreshing Blocket’s apartment listing page. Spamming every friend and friend of a friend you know to ask them if they have any apartment leads. We get it, we’ve been though that. Read on to find out about Clare Morrison-Porter’s, our newest bloggers, experience meeting with frightening potential landlords/roommates.


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In England where I am from, as in many other countries, if you have money in your pocket it is easy to relocate. Yet the currency here is patience – or to put it more literally, queue days. Without it, like us, you face an uncertain future. We had no choice but to face two months (only two months – how lucky, in hindsight!) of rejection and unknowing before finally being successful.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 11.Mar.2019, 06:42 PM

https://www.buildingsweden.com/the-swedish-construction-industry-isnt-even-meeting-half-of-the-demand

“The Swedish construction industry isn’t even meeting half of the demand”

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Catharina Elmsäter-Svärd, CEO for the Swedish Construction Federation claims that at the current rate of construction only about half of the National Board of Housing, Building and Planning’s speculative goals will be met.


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A current dip in construction rates has only served to exacerbate Sweden’s acute housing shortage, especially amongst youths. According to the Swedish Construction Federations own predictions the current rate of construction has decreased by 33% between 2017 and 2019, a trend that goes completely against what the market is asking for.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 11.Mar.2019, 06:51 PM

You must like writing to yourself, because no one else is listening to your fake news.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 14.Mar.2019, 04:48 PM

The tenant association criticizes housing sites.

Due to the lack of rentals many companies take advantage of desperate people to charge for viewing rental ads that are available on other free sites like blocket and others.

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There are lots of online housing sites that charge for residential ads. However, in many cases the same ads are completely free of charge on, for example, Blocket or at the municipal housing company.
- As long as we have a housing shortage, it is a big problem and will be growing, says Simon Brehmer, negotiator at the tenant association.



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There are lots of cheap and central rental apartments on the sites, where housing seekers can get the impression that they can quickly get in touch with the landlord - if they pay a membership fee.

However, in many cases, the housing seeker is instead transferred to the property owner's site and instead has to queue there.

Simon Brehmer believes that many of the sites work with unclear terms and short debits where money, for example, is drawn weekly.

- It is because you have to be involved or lulled in it. It is enough that you forget to cancel it in one or two weeks so you have started to pay, he says.


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According to Brehmer, it is important for the homeowner to try to get an idea of ​​the site seems serious and be vigilant about whether the website requires that you sign some form of agreement that costs money.

- In Jönköping there is only one housing agency that is serious and it is those called the housing register. Then most landlords convey apartments themselves on their pages, he says.

Jonatan Hjälte, CEO of Bostadsregistret, is also familiar with these sites.

- If you go in and check on the pages then it is likely that you will find our apartments and Vätterhems apartments. This means that they have picked ads and sells information. That information is free, you need to go to two websites and then you have it, he says.


https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/jonkoping/bostadssajterna-som-saljer-luft

Posted by: Svedallas 14.Mar.2019, 05:19 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 11.Mar.2019, 06:38 PM) *
The lack of housing in sweden have been long since 2009 with same issues, same black market and same wide spread scams.

Blog written by a Spaniard in 2010. Same issues as in 2019 nothing has changed. Incompetence or simply a system designed that way to force people take a loan and buy?.

Now the problem is not only in stockholm but it's everywhere in the country.

http://monkeygoestosweden.blogspot.com/2010/08/primeros-dias-en-estocolmo-el-infierno.html?m=1


No the problem is clear.
No one wants to rent to YOU.

You just sound nuts!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 14.Mar.2019, 06:03 PM

Uppsala, population 149,245.

More 100,000 people wait in the queue of uppsala for a rental.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/uppsala/blir-av-med-sin-bostad-om-tva-manader

Despite most cities in sweden have a population of 90,000 or less lack of rentals is widespread. here another example of the massive lack of rentals.

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Azad Görecegiz is worried about his future. Today he is inherent, but in a few months he is forced out.
At Uppsala housing agency we meet him.


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The county administrative board in Uppsala has called Boverkets housing market survey 2018 answered by the country's municipalities, and it is the municipalities in Uppsala county that themselves testify to an imbalance.


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At Uppsala housing brokerage the picture is reinforced by the fact that there is a large number who do not have and therefore seek housing. According to the Communications Manager Tala Raha at Uppsala housing agency, the queue time for a rental property is between a couple of months up to 20 years. On average, it takes almost eight years to get an apartment, and today more than 100,000 people are in the queue to Uppsala housing agency. Last year, about 9,000 homes were relayed.


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Azad Görecegiz does not get together the intensive housing construction in recent years, with the housing shortage prevailing in Uppsala. Soon he will get rid of his home and have to find a new one.

For five years he has been in housing queue, he says, without having received an offer that fits.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 14.Mar.2019, 06:26 PM

I told you before this is a discussion forum and not a complaining forum, how shut up and go away.

P.S. Learn to write in English.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 14.Mar.2019, 07:09 PM

I am discussing the lack of housing in sweden, please stay on topic and don't spam this thread with smooth insults and attacking my grammar.

If you are butt hurt because I am exposing your corrupt housing system then deal with it.
But please stop acting in a passive aggressive way spamming this thread because you have no power to censor anybody.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 14.Mar.2019, 10:05 PM

A person here has done a masterful job of exposing the horrors of the Swedish rental system...However he has not been recognized as a champion of the apartment seekers or anyone here...I wonder why???

Posted by: Apache001 26.Mar.2019, 10:38 AM

@Pepito you are doing a very good job and I’m sure the authorities are paying attention and hopefully we will start to witness the change we desire in the society.

Nothing wrong in complaining about a moribund housing sector. Do not pay any attention to the usual bullies.

Posted by: Great Scott 26.Mar.2019, 11:34 AM

QUOTE (Apache001 @ 26.Mar.2019, 10:38 AM) *
@Pepito you are doing a very good job and I’m sure the authorities are paying attention and hopefully we will start to witness the change we desire in the society.

Nothing wrong in complaining about a moribund housing sector. Do not pay any attention to the usual bullies.

You say Pepito is being bullied, but lets be honest this is not the place to moan about what Pepito is calling a housing crisis.
We all know there is a shortage of housing in Sweden and is due to many reasons, lack of building and immigration are two reasons.
Private Swedish housing companies are also reluctant to rent out to foreigners.
I believe many posters are also upset because Pepito has called them names such as racists and neo nazis, this can be very annoying when others are trying to understand Peptio.
Peptio has other options to consider like buying for example.
And if Peptio really has an issue maybe a visit to the local kommun may be a benefit, a little research there may help.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 22.Apr.2019, 04:39 PM

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/trebarnsmamman-ellen-oberg-i-kiruna-ar-hemlos-tvingas-bo-pa-hotell

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The housing shortage in Kiruna hits hard against Ellen Öberg, a single three-year-old mother. For the weekend, the family is forced to go into a hotel and then split into different accommodation right up to the Easter holidays.


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After the hotel accommodation on Monday, the children go to their fathers and I move in temporarily with a colleague who lives in a small one, says Ellen Öberg.
Ellen and her three children go against an uncertain future when it comes to their accommodation in the housing shortage Kiruna. The reason is that her second-hand contract on the apartment is now expiring.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 22.Apr.2019, 04:43 PM

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/ost/bostadsbrist-i-alla-ostgotakommuner

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For the first time: housing shortage in all östgöta municipalities

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For the first time, there is now a shortage of housing in all municipalities in Östergötland at the same time. Despite the construction boom in recent years, according to the county administrative board, 10,000 new homes would be needed in the county.


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There is now also a shortage of housing in Kinda and Valdemarsvik's municipalities. It shows the statistics that the county administrative board is currently collecting.

Posted by: bonviveur 23.Apr.2019, 06:05 AM

there is shortage of government regulated renting places, which are at the cheap price, so everybody wants that. If one is prepared to pay market price there is plently of choice I believe.
moderators should adjust name of the thread, othervice some people after reading it will think that there is no rental places at all.

Posted by: LimpingNinja 16.May.2019, 06:17 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 14.Mar.2019, 11:19 AM) *
No the problem is clear.
No one wants to rent to you! You just sound nuts!


QUOTE (bonviveur @ 23.Apr.2019, 12:05 AM) *
there is shortage of government regulated renting places, which are at the cheap price, so everybody wants that. If one is prepared to pay market price there is plently of choice I believe.
moderators should adjust name of the thread, othervice some people after reading it will think that there is no rental places at all.


I concur.

I just immigrated to Sweden. I came to Sweden on a house hunting trip before moving to Sweden. 2 weeks early in fact; and I was in an apartment when I made My move. During my trip I saw well over 10 apartments that were 3-bedroom (4-5 room) even though this is a hard thing to find kn Stockholm. One was even a free standing house in the city for rent - all of them were market price which is high but not high in comparison to US cities of the same size.

Market price is not very affordable for a single income earner; but it is not also out of reach: Choose the right location (if you want city center then pay for it, otherwise move further out - transportation is fine).

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 20.Jul.2019, 05:37 PM

http://treromogkjokken.no/2017/12/11/why-stockholms-rental-black-market-is-here-to-stay/


Needless to say the queues and black market affects the entire country not just the capital. 1 Million people nation wide wait in the queue system for a long term contract while many who cannot buy live in short term accommodation with short term contracts that only last 1 year in most cases.

From the article.

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This housing crisis has plagued the Swedish capital for more than a decade, but is now starting to seep across the rest of the Nordic nation. According to National Board of Housing, Building and Planning (Boverket) a record 88% of municipalities are now reporting a shortage . Nine in 10 Swedes live in a municipality in crisis.


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The average waiting time for a first-hand contract in Stockholm is now 10.8 years on average, with that figure rising to more 23.2 years for expensive inner city areas.


In small towns average waiting time is 3-4 years.

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Those who have the right connections within the black market can avoid the queue altogether and get their hands on a first-hand rental contract, so long as they don’t mind shelling out upward of $220,000 for the privilege. The purchaser of the first-hand contract will have usually factored into their decision that they’ll be able to make their money back by charging above-market rental prices to sublet.


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This is what fuels the phenomenon that sees most residents in Swedish cities move from place to place. Unless you have the money to pay a bribe on the black market or buy an apartment, your only option is to take on a second-hand contract which, due to regulations, can only last between 1 – 2 years.


So yes, most people who are waiting for the long term rental, they live in short term subletting contracts that last 1 year at best. So just imagine having to move every 6 months to a year to another apartment.

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here are also some restrictions regarding charges for subletting, but it doesn’t seem to have stopped rental costs from skyrocketing for those shooting for a second-hand contract who would do just about anything to put a roof over their head. As the process is technically illegal, there aren’t figures to establish just how the mark-up is, but some sources say up to three times higher than the original rental cost of the first-hand contract. Yet very few house-hunters report the extortionate prices because it’s now become the norm.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 13.Sep.2019, 02:34 PM

Sweden has achieved a new goal.
1 Million people nation wide waiting for long term rentals!.

But the only thing we hear on international news about sweden is the new self proclaimed leader of the world, Greta thunberg who has stepped thanks to the support of swedish investors. In the mean while people in sweden cannot find rentals!.
Sweden has obviously their priorities well set!... or maybe it's all planned?.

https://omni.se/storstadernas-bostadsko-narmar-sig-en-miljon/a/qL7Jqe

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At present, 998,000 people are in the housing queues in Stockholm, Gothenburg and Malmö. The number has increased by 70,000 in just one year, a review by SvD shows.

Housing Stockholm CEO Christer Edfeldt believes that the queue time for an apartment in Greater Stockholm - 10.4 years - is still leveling out. He also sees it as positive that the number of applicants per apartment is no longer increasing. On average, 300 people search every vacant apartment.

Maria Meyer-Martins, CEO of Boplats Göteborg, warns instead of a housing social crisis.

- The worst thing is that even the housing applicants who are completely without contracts increase quite a lot, she tells SvD.

Posted by: Svedallas 16.Sep.2019, 10:56 AM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 14.Mar.2019, 07:26 PM) *
I told you before this is a discussion forum and not a complaining forum, how shut up and go away.

P.S. Learn to write in English.


Pepito has mental problems.
This is why he/she cannot find an apartment.


No one in their right mind would rent to a crazy person.

Sweden has a housing problem - why is this a thread worth discussing? Don't we all know that? Dumbest thread ever posted.


Ignore the posts like everyone does. They are all a joke.

Don't waste your time.

Posted by: djmarko 18.Sep.2019, 12:34 PM

Housing market in Sweden was never designed for rentals, especially as the population size has more than doubled, the government were not pro-active enough to build more rental homes, that is why you have all the issues you see today, having said this, in Hemnet, there are thousands of homes available for sale and if you have a loan and can afford the repayments, you will get a new place in less than 2 months! i know i did!

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