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The Referendum - Vote to Leave the EU!

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Savage
post 7.Jul.2016, 10:33 AM
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QUOTE (Kari @ 7.Jul.2016, 01:01 AM) *
Maybe Liechtenstein has exceptions b/c it is such a small country.. Let't compare with Switzerland instead.


What?
Seriously, you can not have a discussion where you look to favour the odds of your argument by bringing in useless comparisons to try and justify your view.

Switzerland has very little in common with the UK in terms of economic clout. And it is this clout which will determine if the UK and EU will work out a deal. Switzerland's main export market is the EU, whereas the UK is not.

Many other factors are also key components to any deal, to which the UK differs significantly compared to Switzerland.
And that is why Switzerland has bugger all to do with your attempts to troll with claims that border on SNPish.
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Kari
post 7.Jul.2016, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (Savage @ 7.Jul.2016, 11:33 AM) *
What?Seriously, you can not have a discussion where you look to favour the odds of your argument by bringing in useless comparisons to try and justify your view.Switzerland ha ... (show full quote)

Well, Switzerland is more similar to UK than Liechtenstein. And I've read on this forum that UKutside would have it asgood as another non-EU-country like prosperous Switzerland. And I did not read anything about trolling then. Even BBC writes about Switzerland in connection with the Brexit referendum. Are they trolling too?

Accusing anyone who has different points of view for trolling is very bad argumention. You could have refrained from such outbursts, then I would take your arguments more seriously. Now I see you as someone who really hates arguments or questions from certain people you've decided to dislike.

Maybe Switzerland has to wait for the treaty EU-UK to be accomplished and not the other way around. Then they will have to wait two, maybe three more years. By then, they may have another referendum.
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LLHope
post 8.Jul.2016, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE (Kari @ 7.Jul.2016, 12:01 AM) *
Maybe Liechtenstein has exceptions b/c it is such a small country.
The point not being the size of Liechtenstein or any other state, but rather the fact that the Freedom of Movement can indeed be negotiated. At the end of the day, if the EU doesn't want to negotiate it then the negotiations will be extremely quick, UK exit fast, and everyone can get on with business one way or another. Not having Freedom of Movement does not stop access to the market.

QUOTE (Kari @ 7.Jul.2016, 12:01 AM) *
And about Erasmus after the Swiss referendum:
Complain to the EU Commission, and your MEPs (if you know who they are?), at least Switzerland has put in place measures to continue to fund Swiss students being educated in Europe, but the EU would rather use their education as a bargaining chip. Isn't this organisation you claim keeps the peace by trade yet issues threats and intimidation to get it's way! (and I wont mention how they broke encouraged minor conflicts in Yugoslavia in order to get support for independence and a corridor to the Adriatic, nor how they have just released info about how Aid money will be made available to fund military actions in Africa!)

The closing words go to a man of wisdom:

"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe." Mikhail Gorbachev, former president of the USSR.
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Hisingen
post 8.Jul.2016, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 8.Jul.2016, 08:04 AM) *
- - - -The closing words go to a man of wisdom:"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders ... (show full quote)

Totally wasted on little kari, who cannot see the wood for the trees.
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Kari
post 12.Jul.2016, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 8.Jul.2016, 10:04 AM) *
The point not being the size of Liechtenstein or any other state, but rather the fact that the Freedom of Movement can indeed be negotiated. At the end of the day, if the EU d ... (show full quote)

I don't understand what you mean by "quick". If it took over 3 years for little Greenland, why would it be any quicker for big UK?

You think that UK can get a treaty with EU without the clause of Free Movement of people. Why would EU agree to that? B/c EU (27 states) needs UK more than the other way around? Sounds a bit arrogant to me, though you may be right, I just don't understand how you can be so cocksure.

Seems Brexit means bad news for Switzerland:
QUOTE ("Financial Times")
But the timing of the UK vote was bad for Switzerland. A three-year deadline for implementing the 2014 referendum result expires next February.

“Brexit will mean a bumpy ride because of the spillovers,” says Alexis Lautenberg, former Swiss ambassador to the UK. “Short term, it will penalise Switzerland because we don’t know the policy trade-offs that will be decided for the UK — and won’t for some time.”
https://next.ft.com/content/e4c7f5a0-4288-1...2f-79eb4891c97d

There will proably have to be a new referendum - for Switzerland.
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Kari
post 12.Jul.2016, 02:00 AM
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There will be other treaties for UK to enter. With USA for instance.

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Barack Obama was right: the UK will be at the back of the queue for trade deals with the US now it is leaving the EU, the American Ambassador to Britain has said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...s-a7116741.html

We (USA) love you (UK) but you're last in line now, seems to be the message. Well, you always have this "special relationship" with USA. I have interpreted this relationship as "UK will always be the lapdog of USA" (remember Tony Blari and the invasion of Irak). Or "Far away USA will always mean more to UK then neighbouring EU-countries".

Bottom line, quick it will not be.
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LLHope
post 14.Jul.2016, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE (Kari @ 12.Jul.2016, 12:51 AM) *
I don't understand what you mean by "quick". If it took over 3 years for little Greenland, why would it be any quicker for big UK? You think that UK can get a ... (show full quote)
Quick as in, you didn't read what was written wink.gif If the EU do not want to budge on Freedom of Movement and link everything to that, then there is nothing much to negotiate with regards trade, just to fall back to trade with no agreement. With the UK being a net importer of EU goods then the tariffs applied to EU products will boost UK income by 2+ billion pounds, that money can be used to indirectly support businesses to reduce indirect costs and negate the effect of tariffs for products going the other way wink.gif ...in addition to that, the UK will start immediately negotiations with non-EU countries on free trade agreements. Those negotiations are quicker as they are country-to-country and normally take approx. 1 to 2 years to agree, and they will do many countries in parallel. The potential is that by the time the 2 year exit period is over the UK could have free trade agreements with markets that are 2x the size of the EU. The EU is the side that will suffer the most because it's main players are quite against free-trade, this is why Sweden is also sad the UK will leave as UK and Sweden are the 2 main members that promote free trade rather than protectionism (well, up until the socialists got into government here!).
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