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Posted by: maria1234 30.Apr.2009, 07:22 AM

Hello:
A lot of you are talking and talking and attacking without even reading and knowing the truth.
The point is not show who got the best religion or who is the best when he got no religin.
Religions came to earth from the same source, with the same message which is to belive in God , and to be a good humans, who cares about the details, it shouldn't be an issue here, the more important is the core of all these messages.

Jews and Christains and Muslims, are all the same , they all pray to God.
But the human hand ruin the religion because it end up to become a compition and every one is trying to prove that the other religion is bad.
NoTHING IS IDEAL ON EARTH, nothing is perfect and nothiong is complete, and each religion came to cover up it s own period so no detalis is important, messengers gave their message which is a reminder to believe in God and be a good humans and thats it
Now we gorgot to focus on the message and istead of that we are looking at who carry the message, forget about them , the prophets were human, and they came from the same people .
any question, I am here to answer you.
and if you will write here to be rude or talk bad , then don't , same your rude words to your self!

Good day every one!!

Posted by: Bee 30.Apr.2009, 07:55 AM

"He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy"... springs to mind!

Posted by: DidiE 30.Apr.2009, 07:59 AM

Wow, Maria. You certainly are to be commended for your debut here. You have three posts so far (yep, I was sufficiently interested to look you up.) One harangues the Arab guy who digs Swedish flickor. The other asks why shoes are so expensive. And this one will explain Islam for us. I am sitting here grinning as I imagine you. Go girl. Have fun. But this crowd is NOT an easy audience.

And I think shoes are expensive here in part because of taxes, and relative small markets.

Posted by: Princess P 30.Apr.2009, 10:33 AM

I'm interested in how you berate people for talking and attacking without reading or knowing the truth and then go on to tell Christians to forget about Christ as he was only a human prophet. This disregards the one thing that makes Christians Christian and is thus incredibly offensive.

I politely suggest you do some reading and save your educating of others until after you have educated yourself in the subject.

Posted by: maria1234 30.Apr.2009, 11:37 AM

Hello princess:

I didn't even mention jesus in my talk!!
I said prophets and if in Christiany you see Jesus as God, all human should respect that, no body on earth have the right to tell any one wha to believe in or not , it is your religion and I respect it so much and I have lots of friends who are Christina and never came to a point of telling each other what is wrong and what is correct.
Even if we met someone who beleive in nothing, it is not my busiess to tell them anything, as I said before we are human, and we should treat each other as human .
and I know that s lots of Muslims think they are the only correct nation but not all of them are like that , I am an example for the different, and I am not trying to make people believe, it is not my business, just trying to make humans close and live in peace!
My apologize if you miss understand me !!

Posted by: Derekbeggs 30.Apr.2009, 02:10 PM

Hi Maria,

Sure, I have a few questions for you.

Q: This competition you talk about between the three abrahamic religions, is based on the individual interpretations of the Torah, the bible and the Qu'ran. If, as you say they are all the same, then does it not follow that you disagree with your own holy book which I believe is punishable by death?

Q: I am an athiest and do not believe in any form of god, as a muslim, would you agree with the Qu'ran that I should be forcibly converted to islam or killed. I believe this also applies to all non islamic faiths equally.

Q: Is the Qu'ran, open to interpretation. I have read it, and found it no different to the torah or bible in that it is a poorly compiled construct of power hungry men. As a woman (I presume), how do you feel about physical punishment, stoning and punitory rape as outlined in the Qu'ran. If as you suggest it is only one interpretation of the book, surely that leaves the entire book open to question, as who are we to question the inerring word of allah, yaweh, god.

Q: Do you believe that jinns exist, and that they tricked your prophet muhammed into believing they were messengers from god, when in fact they were from the devil.

Q: if the prophets were human, and came from human people, surely the belief in a supernatural deity also came from human and is therefore merely a figment of our evolved imaginations.

Thanks for the chance to ask you.

Posted by: DidiE 30.Apr.2009, 02:15 PM

Eh, I think your questions more properly should be directed to the original poster, Maria. As far as I can tell, two of us who post regularly are up front about being Christians, but I think you'd be hard pressed to see either one of us in your face with provocative postings stating that the rest of you are wrong wrong wrong. Not to be overly pious, but that's not the way I roll. Postings like this are always a good way to get your blood moving in the morning, but never ever result in conversions, so I generally just have fun with them. On the other hand, my Sister Believer has a very valid point here.

Posted by: DidiE 30.Apr.2009, 02:16 PM

Come to think of it, so do you, Derek.

Posted by: Derekbeggs 30.Apr.2009, 02:23 PM

Hi Didi E,
you're correct, I should have addressed it to the original poster.
I am glad you are up front about being christians, well done.
I am upfront about being an athiest.

I would suggest the difference is, I question what I am told and hold reason above faith. Luther said "Reason is a whore, the greatest enemy that faith has" so I am not surprised really that you dont enter any conversations which stimulate rational thought. However, that is off topic and I shall wait to see what replies I get from the OP regarding Islam and leave you to your boiling blood.

Posted by: DidiE 30.Apr.2009, 03:57 PM

Oh, Derek, she sweetly replies, your comment about me not wanting stimulation are wrong, but I forgive you, and if you turn your other cheek, I will forgive that one, too. And dearly forgiven, I am a reason whore, too, and love well-thought out opinions, but as a wise atheist once told me, Choose your battles. Christians are well familiar with the verse that says we don't cast our pearls before swine. Doubtless the Koran has something similar, as would any reasonable anarchist. All good thought systems point out the need to conserve your energies.

Wait a minute. Dude. You're in Germany. Whassamatter, don't you have a boycott of your own?

Posted by: Dazzler 30.Apr.2009, 04:03 PM

I feel the need to make a big bowl of popcorn and get a cozy chair. This could be an epic thread!

Posted by: Princess P 30.Apr.2009, 04:06 PM

My spider senses tells me that a post of complete and utter tosh is on it's way.

Pass the popcorn.

Posted by: DidiE 30.Apr.2009, 04:09 PM

Have to go to a big bonfire. Can't wait to see what a certain someone has to post regarding the latest Youtube expose of the infidels. Ring me on the bat phone if it's worth going to war for, but I just sort of doubt it.

Posted by: Kind Man 30.Apr.2009, 04:37 PM

Thanks Maria for your post smile.gif

Actually not all religions are the same.

Example: Buddu,Judsim,Baha, and the Christian, or this word "Christian" didnt exist on the time of Jesus. They added this word later into Bible. and also the "Bible" word doesnt exist in Bible.

well

if you compare and try to know meaning of these words they are usless word to be used for a true religion.

Only Islam has meaning the right meaning when it comes to religious believes in "God".

these other words like Baha,Judism,Christian and so on means nothing if you check meaning.

Islam means "Peace accuired by submitting your will to almighty God"
Judism is taken from a name of tribe
Budda was a person from india
Baha is name of person
Jesus is also person and christian means A follower of Christ. "Annointed" Annointed with oil
what does oil has to do with God? LOL

So i am telling you guys that there was only one religion and if you translate this true religion
into arabic it is called ISLAM.which doesnt speaks about a person, tribe, image,or not named after them. other religions are named after so many things LOL

Here is also a short explaination http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S8TessXkze8&feature=channel_page

Posted by: Renfeh Hguh 30.Apr.2009, 04:52 PM

QUOTE (Princess P @ 30.Apr.2009, 05:06 PM) *
My spider senses tells me that a post of complete and utter tosh is on it's way.

Pass the popcorn.

Your spider senses were correct PP... So you can see into the future with them. Anything else, can you heal the sick or feed thousands from a single loaf of bread?.

Perhaps you are the chosen one?

Time for all the fools to give up their pointless religions like Islam, Christianity and others.

All hail the great prophet!!

All hail Princess P!

smile.gif

Posted by: Braderunner Rennuredarb 30.Apr.2009, 04:56 PM

A word is just a collection of symbols that may or may not reflect the origin and or present value of something.

Islam = "Brainwashed"
Judaism = "Brainwashed"
Christianity = "Brainwashed"

But Maria - I admire your intent. If people would be relaxed and groovy, then we would not have any problem. But there are plenty of idiots out there that want to say "my god can beat up your god"...and so we are where we are.

Posted by: Princess P 30.Apr.2009, 07:47 PM

QUOTE (Renfeh Hguh @ 30.Apr.2009, 05:52 PM) *
Your spider senses were correct PP... So you can see into the future with them. Anything else, can you heal the sick or feed thousands from a single loaf of bread?.

Perhaps you are the chosen one?

Time for all the fools to give up their pointless religions like Islam, Christianity and others.

All hail the great prophet!!

All hail Princess P!

smile.gif


Don't forget your tithes and offerings. I believe the going rate is 10% of everything you own plus your first born child*. You can keep the kid though, I already have one of them and I can't be doing with any more. Chuck in a box of Thorntons chocolates instead.

*Free smiting of 1 enemy of your choice if payment is received within 10 days.

Posted by: Stüpid 30.Apr.2009, 08:59 PM

Maria1234: I think you have a boyfriend who is not swedish. He might have preached you about Islam. So, you want to preach everyone about Islam. I think you just posted and having fun out of it. I really wonder if you are maria?

Kindman: Before you talk about various religions. Let me ask you something. Did muslims get converted to Buddists? or did Buddists get converted to Muslims?
Is this written in Bible or koran?

Posted by: Kind Man 30.Apr.2009, 11:03 PM

Hey Stüpid,

you again with your smart questions LOL

a Muslim who understand Islam and read the Quran with understadning would never convert to any religion.

reason : if you are a Muslim then you already respect believe in David's religion Mosese religion in Jesus and Mohammad peace be upon them all.

as a muslim if I say i dont accept Jesus as prophet then i am not a Muslim.

there is not any single reason for a Muslim to convert to another religion. But christian missionary spending billion dollars and hunting down peoples. there are some muslims who convert

but the main reason is coz of visa or money LOL trust me and if you ask them anything about christinaty they would not be able to answer you.

I have asked them what is the Jesus brothers name? they were like ohhh Did Jesus had brothers?

according to converting Islam is the fastest growing religion. even we dont have missionary but Thank God your media is doing this job for us smile.gif
after 911 more than 100,000.00 American accepted Islam.

if you read Quran you would be a muslim too. coz we are all in one religion.

Posted by: Stüpid 30.Apr.2009, 11:21 PM

QUOTE (Kind Man @ 1.May.2009, 12:03 AM) *
Hey Stüpid,

you again with your smart questions LOL

a Muslim who understand Islam and read the Quran with understadning would never convert to any religion.

reason : if you are a Muslim then you already respect believe in David's religion Mosese religion in Jesus and Mohammad peace be upon them all.

as a muslim if I say i dont accept Jesus as prophet then i am not a Muslim.

there is not any single reason for a Muslim to convert to another religion. But christian missionary spending billion dollars and hunting down peoples. there are some muslims who convert

but the main reason is coz of visa or money LOL trust me and if you ask them anything about christinaty they would not be able to answer you.

I have asked them what is the Jesus brothers name? they were like ohhh Did Jesus had brothers?

according to converting Islam is the fastest growing religion. even we dont have missionary but Thank God your media is doing this job for us smile.gif
after 911 more than 100,000.00 American accepted Islam.

if you read Quran you would be a muslim too. coz we are all in one religion.


What is this figure?100,000.00 does it mean 10 million or 100 thousand? wacko.gif

Shut the fuck up scoundrel. You say "as a muslim if I say i dont accept Jesus as prophet then i am not a Muslim".

You accept christianity one side and the other side you criticize it. Why don't you respect christianity then instead of saying "christian missionary spending billion dollars and hunting down peoples. there are some muslims who convert"?
Do you like throwing stones and living in stone age.

I don't think it is a good idea my friend.

 
 

Posted by: Braderunner Rennuredarb 1.May.2009, 02:21 AM

Funny thing is that if some jackhole came to me saying "Durka durka - accept Islam" I would say something along the lines of "Yuck Fou" with a slight transposition. If they threatened me with death, then I would eviscerate them as the pigs they are.

F*ck religion.

Its a crutch for the weak minded.

Posted by: maria1234 1.May.2009, 07:36 AM

Hello again :

From what I read , each person still trying to proof who is the best, come on buys , it is not who is the best, aren't we all human??
Princess P. I read a lot and I have enough education about Christianity and I respect it so much because it is a relegion and we Muslims see Juses as prophet and you see his diffrerently which is not the issue here, beacuse i respect the way you view it.diffrencies in openions shouldn't make people enemies!!
Kind man , please keep your openions to your self, you are not God to decide which religion is accepted, in quraan , it says( say, you have your religion and i have mine) this is god s talk, which mean we must respect other religion, you have no right to say what is accepted and what is not, big wrong!! and it is better if you focus on your self instead of telling people what they should do.
Jews and Christans also believe in god and this is what islam about, it mean believing in god what ever the name of the religion is.
relgions don't cancel each other, they sould complete each othes.
what make us good is our deeds and our antentions.
God is merciful, he is not holding a hammer and waiting for pepole to punish them.
talk about the mercy og god in all the religion instead of trying to proof you are the best, stop it.
and fot that person who talked bad about christians, who do you think you are ?? the best muslim ever?? you seem to know nothing about religions , sorry , no mean to offend you , but i am a muslim also, people like you are resposible for the bad imege we have now.

and for the friend who ask me few questions, who don't believe in god, i respect what you believe, and in quraan, there is lots of stories that happen in certian times, like when you read a history book, that does not mean you have to follow it now , the time change.
and about killing the non muslims, that was agian many situations that happen in the past, you will find simillar stories in the bible and the toraah as well, is this mean we have to do the same??
About stoning and slating heads,in europe , they also used to do it and they even used to burn people alaive!! that was the past.
in the past look what human could do to Jesus, can human follow the same way of punishment now??
same for islam , this was the way of punishing at this time, you can't follow it now.
The point of mention it in Quraan is to organize it and show people that they should follow a way of punishing but in different ways like now.
Don't you think that hanging human from their nick is not a human thing? imagine after 200 years from now how will the new generations will lokk at us, oh my God (electric chair)?? they will hate us !!
In Quraan, God blame prophet Ibraham because he wasn't nice to a man walking in the desert hungy and Ibraham refuse to feed him or give him water because he wasn't a beliver.
God in Quraan talk about how dare he do that and that he should 'v invited the man because he is a human!!
this is religion, to respect and accept every one, not like these group of idiot come and say , all in hill fire!! who they are and did god hire them on earth to scare people??
and about me having a Swedish boy friend, yes I did have a boy friend who become my husband now , and yes I am a muslim who beleive in boy friend, and this is another issue we can talk about it later.
and his family don't beleive in God and I can't live without them because they are they best parent I ve ever met and I don't care what they belive or not , they are good people and I am sure God will forgive them because of the good things they are doing all the times in their lives.

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 08:14 AM

Kind Man: Ok, as you want to answer only about Islam. Let me ask you something.

Where did Islam born and where did it get spreaded? Were the people belonged to other religions before and later got converted into muslims? What religion did they belong to before? How much money did they spend to convert the people to muslims? Or did they punish and made them muslims?

Kind Man: I am sure you would answer.

Posted by: Princess P 1.May.2009, 08:24 AM

Don't pick on Maria. She told Kindman to shut up. She's ok. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 08:37 AM

I have modified my post. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: DidiE 1.May.2009, 10:02 AM

Wait a minute. What about MY prophetic powers? I told you all a million times that a youtube post would be coming, and it did, it did, it really did. I get half of all tithes, dang it.

As I see it, there are two issues that always come up when religion is discussed here. One is the basic issue of the value of religion, period. The vast majority of posters here, if earlier posts are any indication, are not only not believers, but rather, um, convinced that any one who believes in any religion is a numbwit. The chances of a believer of any system converting an Local poster through the powers of his logic, ability to post Youtube links, and or brilliant use of English are...zero. The other issue that arises when religions are compared is that the very much smaller number of believers are asked to assign a relative value to your beliefs, my beliefs, his beliefs, etc. The chances of this very much smaller pool of believers changing their belief system, based on logic, Youtube, etc. is even less than zero- the poster trying to convince this smaller group ends up creating a real feeling of disdain for his religion.

This is my way, Maria, of telling you that offering to serve as a spokesperson for Islam is a waste of time here. It really only serves to give a platform for certain other spokespeople for Islam, and results in the vast majority of posters either ignoring the topic completely, or laughing their nonbelieving arses off. And they should, because this very important topic is truly not fit for the kinds of discussions that go on here. I am always interested in discussions about religion, and how it impacts human behaviour and political systems, etc., but I fear that any prosyletising for a particular world view (and in all fairness, it's been the Islam world view that has been pimped here repeatedly, not the Christian one) is just a waste of space.

Unless I am completely wrong? If anyone has actually converted to Islam, Christianity, or The Great Spaghetti Monster because of a post here, would he or she please stand up?

Posted by: Muttlestar Galactica 1.May.2009, 10:17 AM

Well said.

Posted by: Princess P 1.May.2009, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (DidiE @ 1.May.2009, 11:02 AM) *
Wait a minute. What about MY prophetic powers? I told you all a million times that a youtube post would be coming, and it did, it did, it really did. I get half of all tithes, dang it.


SPLITTER!

What do you think you're playing at, creating a schism in our newly revealed religion?

QUOTE
Unless I am completely wrong? If anyone has actually converted to Islam, Christianity, or The Great Spaghetti Monster because of a post here, would he or she please stand up?


You are completely wrong. I used to be a Christian, now I am devoted believer in Princess Panity. I hearby decree that everyone wear pink sparkly stuff. Those who defy this decree shall be publicly drowned in a giant vat of hot pink dulux.

OBS: For one day only, new believers will recieve a lottery win* as thanks for their conversion.

*Lottery win is of an unspecified amount and will be paid on receipt of you full bank account details including PIN code.

Posted by: Paulo +fab muscular than Jonnhy 1.May.2009, 11:11 AM

QUOTE (DidiE @ 1.May.2009, 11:02 AM) *
Wait a minute. What about MY prophetic powers? I told you all a million times that a youtube post would be coming, and it did, it did, it really did. I get half of all tithes, dang it.

As I see it, there are two issues that always come up when religion is discussed here. One is the basic issue of the value of religion, period. The vast majority of posters here, if earlier posts are any indication, are not only not believers, but rather, um, convinced that any one who believes in any religion is a numbwit. The chances of a believer of any system converting an Local poster through the powers of his logic, ability to post Youtube links, and or brilliant use of English are...zero. The other issue that arises when religions are compared is that the very much smaller number of believers are asked to assign a relative value to your beliefs, my beliefs, his beliefs, etc. The chances of this very much smaller pool of believers changing their belief system, based on logic, Youtube, etc. is even less than zero- the poster trying to convince this smaller group ends up creating a real feeling of disdain for his religion.

This is my way, Maria, of telling you that offering to serve as a spokesperson for Islam is a waste of time here. It really only serves to give a platform for certain other spokespeople for Islam, and results in the vast majority of posters either ignoring the topic completely, or laughing their nonbelieving arses off. And they should, because this very important topic is truly not fit for the kinds of discussions that go on here. I am always interested in discussions about religion, and how it impacts human behaviour and political systems, etc., but I fear that any prosyletising for a particular world view (and in all fairness, it's been the Islam world view that has been pimped here repeatedly, not the Christian one) is just a waste of space.

Unless I am completely wrong? If anyone has actually converted to Islam, Christianity, or The Great Spaghetti Monster because of a post here, would he or she please stand up?



I have converted myself to Whole Wheat Spaghetti with basil sauce - Substantially much lower glycemic index. wink.gif

Posted by: Kind Man 1.May.2009, 11:46 AM

maria1234

CODE
Kind man , please keep your openions to your self, you are not God to decide which religion is accepted, in quraan , it says( say, you have your religion and i have mine) this is god s talk.


LOL if this is God talk why do you talk here?

CODE
which mean we must respect other religion


I do respect Christian But what I say is according to Bible and is Truth.I know it hurts some people but telling the truth is every person's job.

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you have no right to say what is accepted and what is not, big wrong!!


Who will decide who is wrong whois right? that is why I explain but I do respect all religions.

Dont think I do insult someone here. But you can see others post about Islam and Muslims.

CODE
Jews and Christans also believe in god and this is what islam about, it mean believing in god what ever the name of the religion is.


let me correct you here ou can say in different Gods dont mix up here.

Jews believe in God we believe but not in the messengers of God. Most of them call Jesus a bastard. Because they dont believe that he was born from Virgin Mary.but we Muslims accept this that Jesus was Born from virgin Marry and we have no doubt on it.

my advise to you Maria when you are debating then have some logic. Also when you write God write it with Capital Letter smile.gif. i dont care if you type my name with small letter smile.gif

but you are doing good if you focus little to make it logical that would be great.

Posted by: Renfeh Hguh 1.May.2009, 11:50 AM

QUOTE (Braderunner Rennuredarb @ 30.Apr.2009, 05:56 PM) *
A word is just a collection of symbols that may or may not reflect the origin and or present value of something.

Islam = "Brainwashed"
Judaism = "Brainwashed"
Christianity = "Brainwashed"

That sums them up brilliantly B)

Posted by: Johno 1.May.2009, 11:56 AM

So much for moderation - I feel a cheesecake moment coming on, especially in anticipation of Kind Man's response that he seems to be preparing.

Posted by: Princess P 1.May.2009, 12:08 PM

Maria, don't do it. Don't waste your time. Some people like to wallow in ignorance.

(My spider senses are tingling again.)

Posted by: maria1234 1.May.2009, 12:25 PM

King man , now you are talking like you are an angel and people miss understood you.
It is not our business how they see Jesus or God, what I want to say , they have religion what ever it is , we must respect it.
I know what you are talking about , they talk bad about Islam every where, who cares, they will not add or take anything from Islam, and also people have the freedom to say what ever they want.
same like when you say what you want, I know not all are open minded , same also with us as muslims , we think we are the only nation who will go to paradise , How did we know that ????!!
Look, we are all humans , we are all have mistakes, no one is perfect, so Muslims men , yes only men are responsible for the bad image the world have about us now, Why? you know why!!
The Arab society read the Quraan acording to their benefits now , deleting women s right step by step.
In the Prophets s days , women used to set with men at the same place , debating in reading poems, together.
Women used to have more rights like being more independent and be a real business women.
Women in Quraan , shouldn't touch a spone in the house, even breast feeding, God gave her an option not to do it and hire some body to do it.
Women in Islam shouldn't pay one penny from their pockets, women in Islam have the rights to divorce when ever they want.
A man in Islam can't marry more than one if the wife does not agree , The Prophet didn't agree that his daughters husbend marry another woman.
The prophet was one of the Arab people , he followed the calture at this time, read the arab calture and see how they united their groups by letting them marry from each other until now.
God said in Quraan (you can marry four women if you can be fair with all of them AND YOU WILL NOT BE FAIR) it is not me who say that kind man , it is God!!
and by the way , the part in Quraan that says (beat the women up) it is not existed) it is the way arab men translate the word to what they want to do, the word in pure arabic study mean (boycott) them for a while, but of course arab men took the meaning they wish for hahaha
this is the new studies that made buy a real good muslim man who don't lie and left the arab world along time ago .
SAME WITH AISHA , THEY REAL AGE OF HER WAS 17 , not 9 !!
anything is not in Quraan is doutable these days like many many of the prophets s speeches and you know what I am talking about, but if they serve the men s desire to control women they will be a correct trustable sourse speech huh??!!
In Quraan women and men are equal in rewards and punishment, in every page it says that.
We are not ideal , so be carful here!!
I am not saying that any religion have to be better than the other one, I am saying stop talking about detalis who is not ours, and focus on being a good human and good person in life, be positive in life, start with your self even if you don't beleive!!


Who care if I write with capital letter or not, do you want me to be a hypocrats?? oh because I miss writing God s name with a capital I will be in hill hahahaha

Posted by: Nifty 1.May.2009, 12:36 PM

This should make grouse reading once Kindman recovers from his seizure biggrin.gif

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 12:37 PM

Kind Man: Rascal! You have'nt answered my post. Do you think I am a senseless person?

Maria1234 is supporting your Islam religion. It does'nt mean she is criticizing Christianity. Don't take it advantage. I am sorry for your 5 kbps internet speed in your caves. Stop collecting stones and answer my questions.

Posted by: Kind Man 1.May.2009, 12:38 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 1.May.2009, 08:14 AM) *
Kind Man: Ok, as you want to answer only about Islam. Let me ask you something.

Where did Islam born and where did it get spreaded? Were the people belonged to other religions before and later got converted into muslims? What religion did they belong to before? How much money did they spend to convert the people to muslims? Or did they punish and made them muslims?

Kind Man: I am sure you would answer.



I would asnwer you all.

Islam was born since the Adam and Eve. the Islam means If you submit your will to almight God.
they Adam and Eve believed in God.

Muslims doesnt give you money or tricks to cheat you. mostly recently all educated people convert to Islam. not stupids lol Muslim never punish you or convert you. it doesnt work like that.

Because you need to accept Islam by your heart and follow the rules in order to be Muslim.


I would not say by coming of Islam but I would say by coming of reformer Mohammad peace be upon him he collected the misguided people back into Islam.

Mohammad (pbuh) didnt bring a new religion He came as reformer to get together those who are misguided. so mostly pepole were praying to Idols and God's of Stone and Many calling Jesus as God.

Mohammad always prayed for Ibrahim and we Muslims still pray for Abraham in each prayer 5 times a days we must send our prayer to them.

Islam never forced or would never forced anybody to convert. check the Indonesia biggest Islamic counrty which Islamic army went there to make them Muslims? also thousand of Muslim in EU and US.

Once you become Muslim you will find your all answers about religion and specially Jesus peace be upon him.

with all respect to Christians Bible doesnt answerr your question RECENTLY the Bible Scholor Professor Phd leaves christianity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PWFvzKl3I

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 12:40 PM

Kind Man! Thanks for your Kindness. You are really great.

Posted by: DidiE 1.May.2009, 12:43 PM

Danmit. I am wearing pink spangly tights and not a single miracle has occurred. I demand a miracle. NOW!

Posted by: Squiddy 1.May.2009, 12:46 PM

As usual this is getting really yawn-worthy. Can't we all just ignore posters like Kindman and hope they go away?

Each to their own. Believe in whatever the hell you like just don't shove it down anybody else's throat. You aren't going to achieve anything unless your aim is to simply annoy people.

Posted by: Kind Man 1.May.2009, 12:48 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 1.May.2009, 12:40 PM) *
Kind Man! Thanks for your Kindness. You are really great.


Weclome my Brother smile.gif

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 12:48 PM

QUOTE (Kind Man @ 1.May.2009, 01:38 PM) *
I would asnwer you all.

with all respect to Christians Bible doesnt answerr your question RECENTLY the Bible Scholor Professor Phd leaves christianity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PWFvzKl3I


A civilized person would want to know everything. But a person who is a fool (uncivilized) would never want to know everything.
The person whom you mentioned is a civilized person.

Kind Man: Try to follow other religions also and then you come to a conclusion.
Instead of saying people worship idols bla bla bla... why people like you worship vacuum then?

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 12:54 PM

QUOTE (DidiE @ 1.May.2009, 01:43 PM) *
Danmit. I am wearing pink spangly tights and not a single miracle has occurred. I demand a miracle. NOW!



Don't worry. Who asked you to wear spangly tights? Have proper clothing instead of having just a panty and bra. Have fresh mind. You take what you get. Be happy with what you have. Go to church. Or contact Kind Man for a peace of mind.

Posted by: Kind Man 1.May.2009, 12:56 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 1.May.2009, 12:48 PM) *
Kind Man: Try to follow other religions also and then you come to a conclusion.
Instead of saying people worship idols bla bla bla... why people like you worship vacuum then?


Which religion Do you want me to follow? it should answer my questions I go along with logic not to just create Stone and sell it on market for others to just worship it.

the only religion which makes sense to me is being a Muslims.

Posted by: shpongle 1.May.2009, 01:04 PM

At leasts stones exist...

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 01:14 PM

QUOTE (Kind Man @ 1.May.2009, 01:56 PM) *
Which religion Do you want me to follow? it should answer my questions I go along with logic not to just create Stone and sell it on market for others to just worship it.

the only religion which makes sense to me is being a Muslims.


You follow Christianity, Jewish, Hinduism, Buddism and other minor religions whatever exist on this planet.
Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh were Hindus and Buddists before. They were forced to get converted into muslims.

Posted by: Kind Man 1.May.2009, 01:15 PM

QUOTE (shpongle @ 1.May.2009, 01:04 PM) *
At leasts stones exist...


hahaha we already pray for stones to reach target specially while throwing at "Israeli terrorists"

Posted by: Princess P 1.May.2009, 01:17 PM

QUOTE (DidiE @ 1.May.2009, 01:43 PM) *
Danmit. I am wearing pink spangly tights and not a single miracle has occurred. I demand a miracle. NOW!


Hmmm. I was testing your faith. You failed miserably. You penance is to wear one of these http://www.fastfancydress.co.uk/templates/imagedirectory/pink%20punk%20lg.jpg for the whole of May.

Posted by: Princess P 1.May.2009, 01:18 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 1.May.2009, 01:54 PM) *
Don't worry. Who asked you to wear spangly tights? Have proper clothing instead of having just a panty and bra. Have fresh mind. You take what you get. Be happy with what you have. Go to church. Or contact Kind Man for a peace of mind.


Don't be leading my followers astray. I don't want to have to get out the smiting stick.

Posted by: Kind Man 1.May.2009, 01:23 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 1.May.2009, 01:14 PM) *
You follow Christianity, Jewish, Hinduism, Buddism and other minor religions whatever exist on this planet.
Indonesia, Pakistan, Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh were Hindus and Buddists before. They were forced to get converted into muslims.


Yes they were buddists true, But they were not forced to be muslim. Pakistan age is not more than 70 years, Indonesia is too far to be attacked . Muslims rulled India for hunders of years ask the Hindu if you were forced or not. not any single Indu would say this.

sometimes you sound like really stupid . i explained to you at earlier post that you cant force someone to be a muslim. coz it is matter of heart and then following praying and charity and so on.

There is poem in persian language Alama Iqbal lahore says " when I call myself muslim I am scared I am scared" if you all yourself Muslims then you need to follow the rules like loving your neighbor, giving charity to needy.pray to God.. not lying not stealing and so on...

You wanna learn it?

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 01:34 PM

Kind Man: A true Muslim would'nt convert. But there are many instances which people were forced and treatened to get converted into Muslims. I don't want to give you all the links which I read before. Digg in google and find them out yourself.

Now the situations are different. World became free because of internet and media's mass circulation. Now there is UN. Some centuries back forced conversions were common.
I only know what muslims made forced conversions cruelly. Other religions made conversions very peacefully.

Posted by: shpongle 1.May.2009, 01:55 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 1.May.2009, 02:34 PM) *
Now the situations are different. World became free because of internet and media's mass circulation. Now there is UN. Some centuries back forced conversions were common.
I only know what muslims made forced conversions cruelly. Other religions made conversions very peacefully.

Come on. the big religion didn't get big by fair play. It is all about forcing it down from the top, either by economic and social humiliation keep your old faith, or simply by threat of violence.

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 01:59 PM

Sorry! Really did not understand your post. Please frame it again in some other words.

Posted by: shpongle 1.May.2009, 02:10 PM

"Other religions made conversions very peacefully" :
to sum it up: yeah right

Posted by: Reptile 1.May.2009, 03:05 PM

QUOTE (Kind Man @ 1.May.2009, 11:38 AM) *
with all respect to Christians Bible doesnt answerr your question RECENTLY the Bible Scholor Professor Phd leaves christianity http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k6PWFvzKl3I


The Koran doesn't either, otherwise Muslims would not be converting to other religions.

exMuslim and Former Terrorists Converts to Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r80oY1-ZH4k

Ex-Muslim IMAM Converts to Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvhaI9BLlOk

Posted by: Stüpid 1.May.2009, 04:03 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 1.May.2009, 02:59 PM) *
Sorry! Really did not understand your post. Please frame it again in some other words.



QUOTE (Reptile @ 1.May.2009, 04:05 PM) *
The Koran doesn't either, otherwise Muslims would not be converting to other religions.

exMuslim and Former Terrorists Converts to Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r80oY1-ZH4k

Ex-Muslim IMAM Converts to Christianity
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvhaI9BLlOk


Great post Reptile.

Kind Man: Now what do you say?

Posted by: shpongle 1.May.2009, 05:27 PM

Dogma to dogma converters amuse me slightly. Okay, it is good that they have thought abit themselves, but they must see that their new religion is just flawed in many ways. Why not just abandon the book and clergy alltogether.

Posted by: nic_tester 1.May.2009, 05:58 PM

Imho, the only reason islam sometimes portrays itself as a religion of peace is that islamic nations are militarily weak. Islam is as much a system for military expansion as a religion with a multitude of references to killing and enslaving nonbelievers. And their holy man killed, had executed and enslaved thousands of people.
Here is an article discussiong the famous "sword sura"
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
And, note bene, it is not true that islam is formulated from the entire Koran and hadiths and other sources. What is in the Koran is absolute. And if two statements in the Koran conflict, it is the latest, as in last spoken, comandment that holds. The role of the hadith and other sources is to interpet the Koran, not to contradict it.

Hopefully modern adherents to islam will succeed in reinterpeting the religion and modernising it. But lying about it is not a good start and does not inspire confidence. Be up front about the evils of much of Islam and your wish to reform it and I might listen.

Posted by: maria1234 1.May.2009, 06:55 PM

kind man didn't even dare to asnwer me hahaha may be because I am a woman and Arab like him and know the truth hahaha
Princess p I agree with you , I will not waiste my time any more, I am going for a long walk with my nice wonderful Christian friend next door, have a wonderful weekend every one!

Posted by: Jay02 1.May.2009, 06:59 PM

QUOTE (Renfeh Hguh @ 30.Apr.2009, 05:52 PM) *
Your spider senses were correct PP... So you can see into the future with them. Anything else, can you heal the sick or feed thousands from a single loaf of bread?.

Perhaps you are the chosen one?

Time for all the fools to give up their pointless religions like Islam, Christianity and others.

All hail the great prophet!!

All hail Princess P!

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Give us a Sign O Prophet Princess P, shall it be the Gourd or the Footwear!

smile.gif

Posted by: Kind Man 2.May.2009, 03:29 AM

QUOTE (maria1234 @ 1.May.2009, 06:55 PM) *
kind man didn't even dare to asnwer me hahaha may be because I am a woman and Arab like him and know the truth hahaha
Princess p I agree with you , I will not waiste my time any more, I am going for a long walk with my nice wonderful Christian friend next door, have a wonderful weekend every one!


By the way what was your question? I am asked so many stupid questions on this forum so I really dont prefer to answer them.

Have a nice weekend working in Kabeb-shop LOL "kidding"

Posted by: Kind Man 2.May.2009, 03:37 AM

QUOTE (nic_tester @ 1.May.2009, 05:58 PM) *
Imho, the only reason islam sometimes portrays itself as a religion of peace is that islamic nations are militarily weak. Islam is as much a system for military expansion as a religion with a multitude of references to killing and enslaving nonbelievers. And their holy man killed, had executed and enslaved thousands of people.
Here is an article discussiong the famous "sword sura"
http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
And, note bene, it is not true that islam is formulated from the entire Koran and hadiths and other sources. What is in the Koran is absolute. And if two statements in the Koran conflict, it is the latest, as in last spoken, comandment that holds. The role of the hadith and other sources is to interpet the Koran, not to contradict it.

Hopefully modern adherents to islam will succeed in reinterpeting the religion and modernising it. But lying about it is not a good start and does not inspire confidence. Be up front about the evils of much of Islam and your wish to reform it and I might listen.



You are quoting a christian website and ofcourse they would talk against Islam and quoting verse out of contex

here is your answer always learn a religion from the top scholar of that religion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Va1I-M6mFck here is your answer.

Posted by: Nifty 2.May.2009, 04:02 AM

Interesting how two of worlds most popular religeons being Catholicism & Islam,are so fearful of thinking women.As the muslim world is more exposed to the western world, the less is seen of subserviant muslim women & the muslim blokes don't like it.The biggest threat to traditional Islam is at home cooking dinner & that is fully 50% of Islam.The traditionalists will go down kicking & screaming but in 100 years all the scared muslim men like Bin Ladin will be remembered like Hitler is remembered.A fruitbat whose followers will be hunted down by their own people.

Posted by: Princess P 2.May.2009, 07:30 AM

QUOTE (Jay02 @ 1.May.2009, 07:59 PM) *
Give us a Sign O Prophet Princess P, shall it be the Gourd or the Footwear!

smile.gif


It shall be the boppers. All followers must cover their heads with boppers.

http://www.glitz4girlz.com/deeley-boppers.html

Posted by: Stüpid 2.May.2009, 09:23 AM

QUOTE (Kind Man @ 2.May.2009, 04:29 AM) *
By the way what was your question? I am asked so many stupid questions on this forum so I really dont prefer to answer them.

Have a nice weekend working in Kabeb-shop LOL "kidding"


Kind Man! Your job is to solve all the Islamic questions. Please answer the questions after making Pizzas and Kebabs to everyone.
Oh yah!
One Chicken Pizza with kebab sause for me. I am sitting outside in the sun. Get it to my table.

Posted by: maria1234 2.May.2009, 03:14 PM

kind man who is not a kind man,
pretending you are so polite and decent and once you can't answer a question, you call it stupid ?!!!
I agree with the person who said , go make kebab, this is the only thing you are good at !!!

And you also have a great day smile.gif

Posted by: Stüpid 2.May.2009, 03:47 PM

Kind Man! Remember to make Pizza with clean hands. Thanks.

Posted by: nic_tester 2.May.2009, 10:03 PM

So maria, what is the reason to follow the words of such bloodthirsty a man when there are peaceful alternatives such as jesus or the budha?

Posted by: Kind Man 3.May.2009, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (maria1234 @ 2.May.2009, 03:14 PM) *
kind man who is not a kind man,
pretending you are so polite and decent and once you can't answer a question, you call it stupid ?!!!
I agree with the person who said , go make kebab, this is the only thing you are good at !!!

And you also have a great day smile.gif


Dammn I wish I could make pizza and Kabeb smile.gif But I can watch you and learn it we can speak some little Arabic with Persian mixed LOL .

You are lucky that you have this job. Since I came to Sweden I become poor sad.gif I cant even find black work. and I am online and answering "Stupid" lol.

Posted by: Kind Man 3.May.2009, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 2.May.2009, 09:23 AM) *
Kind Man! Your job is to solve all the Islamic questions. Please answer the questions after making Pizzas and Kebabs to everyone.
Oh yah!
One Chicken Pizza with kebab sause for me. I am sitting outside in the sun. Get it to my table.


Sure! if anything left from the customers I wouldnt garbage them. at the same time take more sun LOL

Posted by: maria1234 3.May.2009, 05:25 PM

Kind man , enough is enough, you showed up to every body your real ignoret personality, go beat up your wife and make sure she not looking from the window while you are at work hahahaha
and you can eat the left over of the pizza, as long your job is to collect the trash.

Posted by: Stüpid 3.May.2009, 06:11 PM

QUOTE (Kind Man @ 3.May.2009, 04:16 PM) *
Dammn I wish I could make pizza and Kabeb smile.gif But I can watch you and learn it we can speak some little Arabic with Persian mixed LOL .

You are lucky that you have this job. Since I came to Sweden I become poor sad.gif I cant even find black work. and I am online and answering "Stupid" lol.


Kind Man! I wish you find a job with 8000 sek per month in Sweden and answer all the questions. May jesus bless you.
What will you do with the left over kebab and Pizzas?

Posted by: nakiboyinsweden 3.May.2009, 07:32 PM

Having a discussion about religeon these days is a silly concept.. Arguiing over christianity and Islam is like arguing if Harry Potter or the Lord of the Rings is the bonafide truth.. What makes religeon so dangerous is that it forces ordinarily rational people to act and say completely irrational things. Although I admire your attempt at answering peoples queries Maria just like Queen Rania of Jordan, you also need to be accountable for the many things done in the name of Islam.

Although you may believe in a pick and mix form of islam where you just pick out the bits you believe and are quite liberal about the rest, the many millions of people who also follow your religeon can be quite dangerous. I happened to be unlucky enough to work in Pakistan during the whole danish cartoon aproar. In the west, they believe in freedom of speech. Why would you care about being offended by someone elses opinion.. thats all it is, an opinion, or in this case a cartoon. 50 people died in Pakistan due to the riots. Angry people resorted to killing and burning anything that appeared foreign due to a silly set of cartoons. If you believe that the allah will judge everyone, why resort to taking anything into your own hands. And im not just attacking islam here... im attacking all religeons.. from the crusades to the ottoman empire.. Its extremely clear that Good people will do good things, bad people will do bad things but for good people to do bad things, they need religeon.

Although i admire your attempt to defend your beliefs, you shouldnt have to. You should believe whatever you want to believe and none of us should question it. You can believe whatever you want as long as it doesnt affect me in any way shape or form.. But as soon as you try to defend your religeon as a whole is where you get lost. No one is attacking islam... we are attacking the people who believe in islam and use it to keep people oppressed, bomb innocent people on planes and treat women as second class citizens. Nothing you can say will ever defend this.

Can you defend the quran's scripture here?

Verse 4:34 of the Qur'an translated:

"Men are the maintainers of women because God has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as God has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely God is High, Great."

Beat them?? How can you justify this. Im not just talking the quran here, the first testament of the bible contained many events involving gods wrath that pretty much amounted to genocide. Plus burning bushes and living in fishes arent exactly encouraging.. we have to understand that both the quran and the bible were written by men with no knowledge that the world was a sphere. So believing in these books now is all a bit silly. The swine flu is just another case in point in proving evolution. This disease spread from pigs to humans because it evolved, just like us and everything else in this world.. it fought to survive.

If we all just forget about these fairy tales that turn us al into crazy people, then maybe we can all work on science to make this place a better place to live for all of us rather than anticipating armageddon.. Im not an atheist, im an idontknowist... and if i dont know what happens when i die then neither do you..

LETS STOP THE MADNESS!

Posted by: Stüpid 3.May.2009, 07:46 PM

I appreciate your patience for the long long post.

Why do you have to be angry at Maria1234. I think she might be just taking revenge in the other way around. Because in Middle east women are treated like objects. Here she is expressing herself freely.

Posted by: nakiboyinsweden 3.May.2009, 08:01 PM

Hi Stupid,

No not at all, im definitely not having a go at Maria. I think its absolutely great that she's independant and liberated. But her "ask me a question and ill answer" attitude highlights the arrogance of all religeous people who feel they can speak on behalf of all people who believe in the same religeon they do.

Her whole post was structured in a way that "we are all the same" yadda yadda nonsence we hear all the time. Well actually we are not... some of us kill people in the name of imaginary friends and some of us dont. Its the same garbage thats fed to us by muslim scholars who come on tv to claim that:

"those people who committed those acts arent real muslims... "

no,, its not that they are or arent real muslims.. its that they are crazy fundamentalist freaks who happen to be muslim and believe that 16 brown eyed virgins are waiting for them in heaven after killing hundreds in the name of the muslim god (little do they know that these virgins are probably male and they are in for a long and painful night)..

Sorry for the long post, but these things just bug me so much. As i stated in my previous post, you cannot defend your religeon when the basis for it (the quran) has scriptures promoting the beating of women.

Its just the arrogance of people who have this "ask me a question about religeon and ill answer it because I speak for the religeon and everyhting i believe is the truth" attitude.

On a completely unrelated front.. howzit going stupid? enjoying the weather?

Posted by: Stüpid 3.May.2009, 08:19 PM

Yah! Everything is going well.
Mrs Stüpid (Stüpid's Girlfriend) is saying hello to you and everyone.

Maria1234! I think you should even answer to Kind Man also. Kind Man is not a scholar. He himself told once...bla bla bla... to ask Islamic Scholars if you have doubts. That indicates Kind Man is not a scholar. I don't know if you are a scholar Maria1234. You are the original poster. So, try to satisfy everyone.

Posted by: Thebinary1 3.May.2009, 10:08 PM

QUOTE (Kind Man @ 1.May.2009, 01:23 PM) *
Yes they were buddists true, But they were not forced to be muslim. Pakistan age is not more than 70 years, Indonesia is too far to be attacked . Muslims rulled India for hunders of years ask the Hindu if you were forced or not. not any single Indu would say this.

sometimes you sound like really stupid . i explained to you at earlier post that you cant force someone to be a muslim. coz it is matter of heart and then following praying and charity and so on.

There is poem in persian language Alama Iqbal lahore says " when I call myself muslim I am scared I am scared" if you all yourself Muslims then you need to follow the rules like loving your neighbor, giving charity to needy.pray to God.. not lying not stealing and so on...

You wanna learn it?


Firstly - Buddha never preached about God. The Buddhists follow the way of The Buddha to attain enlightenment. God is irrelevant / redundant as far as the Buddhists are concerned.

Secondly,
QUOTE (Kind Man @ 1.May.2009, 01:23 PM) *
Muslims rulled India for hunders of years ask the Hindu if you were forced or not. not any single Indu would say this.


Since I don't think there are any Hindus in this forum, I therefore take it upon myself to challenge your ignorance with http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_invasions_of_India . Oh! but wait - we did this dance already quite a long time ago (back in the day when the forum was a pain in the ass to use).

So when you say "ask the Hindu if you were forced or not. not any single Indu would say this" - you are a voice of ignorance and you should be ashamed of yourself for denying the truth and propogating disrespectfullness. I say this quoting Will Duran as per the Wiki article:
...the Islamic conquest of India is probably the bloodiest story in history. It is a discouraging tale, for its evident moral is that civilization is a precious good, whose delicate complex order and freedom can at any moment be overthrown by barbarians invading from without and multiplying from within.

Posted by: Kind Man 4.May.2009, 02:52 PM

QUOTE (Stüpid @ 3.May.2009, 06:11 PM) *
What will you do with the left over kebab and Pizzas?



I will give it to a 'Stupid' guy smile.gif

Posted by: Kind Man 4.May.2009, 03:07 PM

QUOTE (maria1234 @ 3.May.2009, 05:25 PM) *
Kind man , enough is enough, you showed up to every body your real ignoret personality, go beat up your wife and make sure she not looking from the window while you are at work hahahaha
and you can eat the left over of the pizza, as long your job is to collect the trash.


Can you find me a job there to collect the trash? I am not ashamed of working at your shop,It would be nice job to wash dishes.

I am single So i m not worried about window. But we are in Sweden you somtimes without looking at eachothers first you start hahahha this happens at parties mostly and online blind dates when the guys get drunk and dont know what they are doing LOL

Hey I am really too kind Man so I would never beat my wife. it is against Prophet Mohammad's teaching.

Posted by: Kind Man 4.May.2009, 03:52 PM

QUOTE (nakiboyinsweden @ 3.May.2009, 07:32 PM) *
Can you defend the quran's scripture here?

Verse 4:34 of the Qur'an translated:

"Men are the maintainers of women because God has made some of them to excel others and because they spend out of their property; the good women are therefore obedient, guarding the unseen as God has guarded; and (as to) those on whose part you fear desertion, admonish them, and leave them alone in the sleeping-places and beat them; then if they obey you, do not seek a way against them; surely God is High, Great."



No wife beating is not allowed!!!

Salam Bro,

Thanks you for showing interest in Islam and finding to know if this verse you quoted is true or false.

According to the Noble Quran and the Sayings of Prophet Muhammad peace be upon him above, wife beating in Islam is definetly prohibited .

You Know Bro the Arabic grammar is taken from the Holy Quran and Holy Quran is writen in very high arabic which common arabs would not understand.

'Holy Quran' is 100 errors free Book because the Author is God himself and Mohammad didnt write this book , Because He could not read and write. a person who couldnt read and write. He can not write a book with so highest level of grammar. but Since he was Prophet He had the all knowledge which God gives to his Messengers. He memorized the book.

So the author of Quran is only God! memorzied by Mohammad and writen by other Muslims. as he couldnt write it.

Therefor many would translate and make mistakes I would like you to refer to thise site
http://www.themodernreligion.com/women/dv-4-34-shafaat.html.

Also if you wanna know about women rights in Islam please watch the Video of Dr Zakir Naik on youtube "Women right in Islam"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBfA56UKoZI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1irxNIDrxwo

Posted by: Stüpid 4.May.2009, 04:51 PM

QUOTE (Kind Man @ 4.May.2009, 03:52 PM) *
I will give it to a 'Stupid' guy smile.gif



Eat it yourself. Take them home. You can save your chef's money. Change your work clothes before you take a public bus.

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