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Posted by: Steelman 5.Aug.2014, 02:07 AM

Look, I came across https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dlG75wb7lLw on youtube.


It seems a little scare-mongering. So, will ethnic Swedes become a minority? I'm skeptical of that, but can any swede give me an answer?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Aug.2014, 04:12 AM

Europeans (whites) will soon be a minority in America, so I don't see why other countries will be different...Birth rates are so low in the "native" European countries that being a minority in your "own" country will be a thing shared...

Angela Merkel said a few years ago..."If we don't start having more children, you can turn the lights out in Germany."

Empires change just like this, the native population fades away...look what happened to Rome!!!

Posted by: Steelman 5.Aug.2014, 04:21 AM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 5.Aug.2014, 03:12 AM) *
Europeans (whites) will soon be a minority in America, so I don't see why other countries will be different...Birth rates are so low in the "native" European countries that being a minority in your "own" country will be a thing shared...

Angela Merkel said a few years ago..."If we don't start having more children, you can turn the lights out in Germany."

Empires change just like this, the native population fades away...look what happened to Rome!!!

Wait, seriously? You're okay with this? You're fine with Muslims taking over? Sheesh, maybe you Swedes deserve this. I have never seen a country that cares so little about it's people as Sweden.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Aug.2014, 04:35 AM

If you know how to reverse this trend everywhere...please tell us!!!

Posted by: Steelman 5.Aug.2014, 04:48 AM

These are some depressing replies. Oh well, I used to love Sweden. Pretty soon, there won't be a Sweden left... sad.gif

Posted by: LLHope 5.Aug.2014, 08:00 AM

Currently around 15% of the population is immigrant in Sweden and immigration accounts for higher rate of population growth than births. If you take 2nd generation and people born outside of Sweden then you are fast approaching 35% of the population is not ethnic-Swedish. It stands to reason that the ethnic-swedes will become a minority (I think the forecast was somewhere around 2060).

If you look at Malm

Posted by: Emerentia 5.Aug.2014, 09:30 AM

That is a propaganda video to make people scared of muslims (and also hamburgers for some strange reason...do they want to forbid hamburgers, I don't get it...I'm pretty sure the people who made this eat burgers, pizza and kebab from time to time, and if some rule that you only could eat food like in the 50's or something, they would protest ). It's like they want people to believe that a few years back Sweden was a some kind of paradise with only platina blond women, which isn't true. There has been people with all kinds of hair colors in Sweden during our entire history. And there has also been men in Sweden! I wonder why they don't show that in the video, is it because their target group is other men, and they want to have this weird fantasy image of Sweden, that they got from some soft porn movies from the 60's or 70's or what?

QUOTE (LLHope @ 5.Aug.2014, 07:00 AM) *
Currently around 15% of the population is immigrant in Sweden and immigration accounts for higher rate of population growth than births. If you take 2nd generation and people born outside of Sweden then you are fast approaching 35% of the population is not ethnic-Swedish. It stands to reason that the ethnic-swedes will become a minority (I think the forecast was somewhere around 2060).


The mayority immigrants and the 2nd generation immigrants are from countries like Finland, Norway and Denmark, and I think a lot of people cannot tell the difference between them and etnic Swedes. So yes, perhaps ethnic-swedes will be in minority around 2060 but a lot of the ethnic-swedes will be ethnic-finns instead, most people can't tell the difference, and there are a lot of people with one Swedish parent and one Finnish parent.

And there is 2nd generation immigrants from other countries too. Say Princess Victoria, Princess Madeleine and Prince Carl Philip, who is second generation immigrants on their mothers side. Or people like say Veronica Maggio, Leila Bagge Wahlgren, Kristin Kaspersen, Anna Anka, Lisa Miskovsky etc, I don't think that people look at them and think "Oh, they are not etnic Swedes". But they are regarded as 2nd generation immigrants in the statistics, since one or both parent is born abroad.

The thing is that people making these kind of propaganda videos have a tendency to be like "all immigrants are criminal and violent black or arab muslims, and they are taking over Sweden and in a couple of years there will be no more blond women left".

Posted by: Hisingen 5.Aug.2014, 10:18 AM

And for Sweden read XXXXland.

With free immigration, mass migration, where once people talked about race and colour, the peoples of the Earth will have become so interbred that they will all resemble one another. I will not attempt to describe how they will look since that would doubtless be said to be - by today's standards - racist. But simply think China and Africa.
And anyone going to war will doubtless be going to war with relations.

Posted by: sv100 5.Aug.2014, 12:21 PM

[quote name='LLHope' post='839944' date='5.Aug.2014, 07:00 AM']Currently around 15% of the population is immigrant in Sweden and immigration accounts for higher rate of population growth than births. If you take 2nd generation and people born outside of Sweden then you are fast approaching 35% of the population is not ethnic-Swedish. It stands to reason that the ethnic-swedes will become a minority (I think the forecast was somewhere around 2060).

If you look at Malm

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Aug.2014, 12:50 PM

If you are interested in third world immigration...read...The camp Of The Saints...written by a Frenchman in the early 1970's...

Available on the internet for free!!!

A prophesy come true???

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Aug.2014, 01:12 PM

P/S: Here's the link...

https://ia600202.us.archive.org/7/items/CampOfTheSaints/Camp_of_the_Saints.pdf

Posted by: Guest 16.Nov.2014, 08:48 PM

I would argue that we already are in Malm

Posted by: Sthlm83 17.Nov.2014, 10:43 AM

QUOTE (Steelman @ 5.Aug.2014, 04:21 AM) *
Wait, seriously? You're okay with this? You're fine with Muslims taking over? Sheesh, maybe you Swedes deserve this. I have never seen a country that cares so little about it's people as Sweden.


While I personally think Sweden should consider taking it a bit easier with the immigration, the problem with arguments such as this one is that it assumes that all immigrants are fundamentalist muslims. I think Emerentia already made some very good points, and I would also like to add that even among those that are 100% middle eastern, and maybe even born outside of Sweden, there is a fair portion who actually appreciates Sweden for what it is. What I mean is that it's not like EVERY muslim immigrant to Sweden has a secret agenda where they want to turn it into some islamic caliphate. There are plenty of first and second generation middle eastern immigrants who, to one degree or another, are well integrated into Swedish society, shares and cherishes Swedish values, and would not in any way be "threat" to the Swedish way of life. I say this with confidence as I personally grew up among many of them.

For me it's more important that core values are shared in order to create some basic level of harmony. I fail to see how the colour of someones skin is important for this to be achieved, so whether or not "ethnic Swedes" will be in minority in 50 years time is totally meaningless to me, as long as basic core values are preserved (and progress/develop naturally of course). So for me it's not an issue on immigration, but more about integration. Currently theres arguably more to wish for in that department, which is why I believe it may be good to take a break and figure things out, but other than that I couldn't care less about the percentage of ethnic, blond, blue eyed people in Sweden (except for my blue eyes, I don't even count into that category myself).

Posted by: cherrybubble 17.Nov.2014, 11:12 AM

QUOTE (Sthlm83 @ 17.Nov.2014, 10:43 AM) *
While I personally think Sweden should consider taking it a bit easier with the immigration,

Steelman came around with a couple of just trollish, bait-y posts back in august and some of them REALLY took off, like, hole-dwelling xenophobic and vitriol spewing TL posters unite. And then Steelman came back and apologized and admitted that he had been trolling and didn't realize that he would unleash the zombie apocalypse. So yes, this thread: massive troll.

Posted by: djmarko 17.Nov.2014, 09:05 PM

People are having kids later in life, most professionals seem to have their first kids when they are in their 30s!! This has been a common phenomenon in Sweden for the last decade, what to do about this? Encourage women to start child bearing earlier? Am sure most want to have a decent career so they have something to fall back on when the kid starts day care, if the OP feels threatened, they are well within their rights to start a baby factory and help to increase the ethnic population lol!!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Nov.2014, 10:00 PM

That last post is about the only thing that can be done to save "native" ethnicity and culture...all over Europe...But it "ain't gonna" happen!!!

Posted by: Guest 18.Nov.2014, 06:13 PM

I agree completely with Sthlm83 but this does not change the fact that people have a right to know. It is not o.k. to skew the statistics to paint a pretty picture when that is not the case.

I personally am not an "ethnic-Swede" but I have a right to know the demographics and they should too. Not to protect the group but so we can actually have a serious debate about the issues Sweden is facing.

You are quiet right that the core-values are vital but to uphold them I suggest we need to measure the demographic in the same way as most other countries which I write in my blogg. SCB cannot avoid doing this out of fear that the Sweden Democrats will grow.

If Germans are worse at Swedish than Syrians then we can aim the resources at Germans.
If Somalis commit more fraud then we can target them in crime-prevention.
If Swedes are more liable to be pedophiles we can target them.
If Gypsies are more likely to commit certain types of robberies the police should be able to gather information on that specific group.
ad-infinitum

As it is right now the Police cannot do that because they will be labelled racists, discriminating etc. Essentially tying their arms behind their back.

My point is NEVER, and NEVER will be, that we need to kick out a certain group or discriminate against one group.

My point IS that we need to seriously question wether political-correctness, newspapers, and so-called "ber

Posted by: jostein 19.Nov.2014, 04:29 AM

QUOTE (cherrybubble @ 17.Nov.2014, 11:12 AM) *
Steelman came around with a couple of just trollish, bait-y posts back in august and some of them REALLY took off, like, hole-dwelling xenophobic and vitriol spewing TL posters unite. And then Steelman came back and apologized and admitted that he had been trolling and didn't realize that he would unleash the zombie apocalypse. So yes, this thread: massive troll.

Why is it so important to you americans to exterminate indigenous peoples? And who asked you, what right do you have to work for giving away my country to foreigners? You are the troll. And a really callous and nasty and ruthless person.

Posted by: Sthlm83 19.Nov.2014, 05:19 AM

[quote name='swedishsurveyor' post='847245' date='18.Nov.2014, 06:13 PM']I agree completely with Sthlm83 but this does not change the fact that people have a right to know. It is not o.k. to skew the statistics to paint a pretty picture when that is not the case.

I personally am not an "ethnic-Swede" but I have a right to know the demographics and they should too. Not to protect the group but so we can actually have a serious debate about the issues Sweden is facing.

You are quiet right that the core-values are vital but to uphold them I suggest we need to measure the demographic in the same way as most other countries which I write in my blogg. SCB cannot avoid doing this out of fear that the Sweden Democrats will grow.

If Germans are worse at Swedish than Syrians then we can aim the resources at Germans.
If Somalis commit more fraud then we can target them in crime-prevention.
If Swedes are more liable to be pedophiles we can target them.
If Gypsies are more likely to commit certain types of robberies the police should be able to gather information on that specific group.
ad-infinitum

As it is right now the Police cannot do that because they will be labelled racists, discriminating etc. Essentially tying their arms behind their back.

My point is NEVER, and NEVER will be, that we need to kick out a certain group or discriminate against one group.

My point IS that we need to seriously question wether political-correctness, newspapers, and so-called "ber

Posted by: cherrybubble 19.Nov.2014, 09:21 AM

QUOTE (jostein @ 19.Nov.2014, 04:29 AM) *
Why is it so important to you americans to exterminate indigenous peoples? And who asked you, what right do you have to work for giving away my country to foreigners? You are the troll. And a really callous and nasty and ruthless person.

LOL!!! Did you respond to the wrong post?

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