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Posted by: Kodos 4.Mar.2006, 01:57 AM

This happened on UNC's campus today. Simply horrible.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11660817/

The bomb squad has evacuated the apartment building where the suspect lived. Apparently, there is something very suspicious there.

http://www.wral.com/news/7651436/detail.html

The news is developing and changing rapidly. If what was reported by MSNBC holds true, then I should like to send my most heart-felt thanks to George Bush and his regime for bringing this to an otherwise peaceful campus.

Posted by: Cyberfluff 4.Mar.2006, 07:55 AM

I don't get it.

Seems like everyone is crazy now.

Posted by: Nico aka the boy wonder 4.Mar.2006, 12:44 PM

[irony]Good to see that the War on terror is working for the neo cons..[/irony]

Posted by: Benzed 6.Mar.2006, 12:15 AM

Look, not to invite the nutty troll in here, but these type of stories really don´t surprise me one bit when they come out of the U.S.

TACTFUL FACT NOT SNARKY REMARKY.

Posted by: Carol 6.Mar.2006, 12:35 AM

Yeah, but Benzed, is it the water here in America? I mean, this guy was a former exchange student, I think.

Posted by: Roy E 6.Mar.2006, 12:43 AM

QUOTE (Kang)
The news is developing and changing rapidly. If what was reported by MSNBC holds true, then I should like to send my most heart-felt thanks to George Bush and his regime for bringing this to an otherwise peaceful campus.


Sorry Kang, but this is one of the loopiest statements I've heard in a while. I'm afraid that there is nothing ANY politician or cartoonist ANYWHERE can do that can justify a nutcase attempting run down college students with a car.

George Bush's fault! :roll:

C'mon Kang. you're smarter than that. You're letting BDS get the better of you (Bush Derangement Syndrome - yes, it has an official name). It's the Irainian whack-job's fault - 100%.

QUOTE
Police intend to charge Taheri-azar, who graduated from UNC in December with a dual degree in psychology and philosophy


Makes me wonder about UNC. A psychology/philosophy grad? Just what are they teaching there, anyways?

Posted by: Toronto 1 6.Mar.2006, 12:46 AM

How awful!! I hope everybody is okay and they are alright. Kinda hitting home too closely these days.
I am very sure the police and the judge will treat him like any other criminal.
This young man may spend the rest of his life in jail if convicted of this.

Posted by: Cyberfluff 6.Mar.2006, 12:53 AM

QUOTE (Benzed)
Look, not to invite the nutty troll in here, but these type of stories really don´t surprise me one bit when they come out of the U.S.

TACTFUL FACT NOT SNARKY REMARKY.


Don't worry Benzed, I'll protect you from the trolls. You go right ahead and say whatever you like about the U.S.

But seriously, I agree. Right now the U.S. is a place that is fostering extremism, I think. It seems like the current black and white, my-side or your-side mentality leaves very little middle ground for trying to understand where someone else is coming from. It's going to be interesting to see the next few years as the Bush administration loses popularity.

Does anyone know how the Patriot Act renewal faired in the House of Representatives, btw? I heard that the Senate had voted 89-10 for, but that it still had to go to the house? (I could google, but I'm lazy right now.)

Posted by: Cyberfluff 6.Mar.2006, 12:59 AM

QUOTE (RoyE)
It's the Irainian whack-job's fault - 100%.


Yes... he shouldn't have done it.

But there does seem to be an awful lot of crazy like that going around. And at some point America needs to quit saying "they are crazy, that's the explanation" and start trying to understand what is causing it. It's not a matter of just pointing fingers and saying "up the dosage." That's hiding from the problem. Sure, crazy people do crazy things. But so do hopeless people who feel as though they have nothing to lose and no other way of speaking out and being heard...

Posted by: Kodos 6.Mar.2006, 01:00 AM

QUOTE (Benzed)
Look, not to invite the nutty troll in here, but these type of stories really don´t surprise me one bit when they come out of the U.S.

TACTFUL FACT NOT SNARKY REMARKY.


You know Benzed...this happened about 10 minutes from my office. I am not disputing any facts reported by either outlet.

Makes you take a closer look when the shit lands your backyard.

Posted by: Kodos 6.Mar.2006, 01:10 AM

QUOTE (RoyE)
Sorry Kang, but this is one of the loopiest statements I've heard in a while. I'm afraid that there is nothing ANY politician or cartoonist ANYWHERE can do that can justify a nutcase attempting run down college students with a car.

George Bush's fault! :roll:

C'mon Kang. you're smarter than that. You're letting BDS get the better of you (Bush Derangement Syndrome - yes, it has an official name). It's the Irainian whack-job's fault - 100%.

QUOTE
Police intend to charge Taheri-azar, who graduated from UNC in December with a dual degree in psychology and philosophy


Makes me wonder about UNC. A psychology/philosophy grad? Just what are they teaching there, anyways?


Not to be an apologist (because what he did was inexcusable), but can't you see that the Bush Administration's policy is what set him off? 4.5 years ago, we were at war with Bin Laden. 3 years ago, Bush started an undeclared war on the Arab world.

It is no secret, that Bush had designs on this very form of foreign policy from the onset of his
presidency. It was defined, clarified and printed in Path to War by Bob Woodward. Which, in the event you have forgotten, was suggested reading by The Republican Party during the '04 elections.

So...taking a pot-shot a Bush? No. I'm not. I am simply pointing out that the chickens have come home to roost.

To sum up...no. I am not grasping at straws at all. Only a complete ideologue would fail to connect the dots here. And...if you're thinking of attacking my source...my source is the local news in Raleigh, NC. Raleigh. North Carolina. A Red State with Red State values.

Should be interesting to see how the Big, Giant Head justifies this one.

Posted by: Roy E 6.Mar.2006, 01:23 AM

Americans might need to take a look at what's wrong with the US Postal Service first.

Posted by: no one 6.Mar.2006, 01:26 AM

do you guys think this is terrorism?

i think it is a deranged individual, not anything more than the "frustration/aggression complex" we all recognize just after we screw something up and throw the coffee cup.

That is the closest thing i can surmise from my dad who taught at u.c. berkeley for about 7 years in the psych dept.

my take having gone to school at berkeley, american u in d.c. &, u.c irvine, often with middle east guys there, is that they often affect the "wild and crazy guy syndrome of cool" they often overcompensate and are easily frustated by the different culture here.

I managed an architectural firm in berkeley for a few years. my boss had his turn as the dean of the arch. dept at berkeley and needed someone to count the beans, hence me.
he is jewish. to keep it short we had an applicant that was not qualified in the least, a first year student. we turned him down. he threatened to kill me for his loss of honor. he tried to kidnap an australian woman who was working with us... he said it was the way of his people.

america does not get many other cultures ways and we keep mucking it up when we get involved.

the road to hell is paved with good intentions i guess. pretty sad

sorry for poor spelling, puctuation, grammar, thinking etc.

Posted by: Kodos 6.Mar.2006, 01:28 AM

QUOTE (RoyE)
Americans might need to take a look at what's wrong with the US Postal Service first.


Roy...

I'm calling bullshit on that. The Postal Service? That's your strongest argument? Come on...we all know you're much smarter than that. This guy may be loonier than bat shit but you cannot overlook the relevance of his actions.

Is this just another Big, Giant Head talking point? Do I have to call Fox News security on you?

/Marnie

Posted by: Roy E 6.Mar.2006, 02:06 AM

QUOTE (Kang)
Roy...

I'm calling bullshit on that. The Postal Service? That's your strongest argument? Come on...we all know you're much smarter than that. This guy may be loonier than bat shit but you cannot overlook the relevance of his actions.

Is this just another Big, Giant Head talking point? Do I have to call Fox News security on you?

/Marnie



Sure it is. Look at the numbers. You're talking about cause and effect right? We have far more USPS employees kiillng their fellow workers than Iranian exchange students trying to exact revenge for cartoons at his point. Your article also said he wanted revenge for US treatment of Muslims:

QUOTE
The FBI joined the case because Taheri-azar, a native of Iran, "allegedly made statements that he acted to avenge the American treatment of Muslims. The ongoing investigation will work to confirm this," said Special Agent Richard Kolko, an FBI spokesman in Washington.


Which Muslims? the little girls now filling School rooms in Afganistan or the ones voting in Iraq? Or those who have been denied their right to suicide bomb?

Posted by: Kodos 6.Mar.2006, 02:09 AM

Roy...

Put down the kool-aid! Put down the kool-aid and back slowly, away from the punch bowl. :wink:

/Marnie

Posted by: Roy E 6.Mar.2006, 02:15 AM

You're Soooo busted! Kool-aid! You've been watching Bill O'Reilly! laugh.gif

Posted by: Kodos 6.Mar.2006, 02:17 AM

Watching Bill. Actually...some parts. I found the part where he threatened a caller with Fox News Security when the caller mentioned the name, "Keith Olbermann." Yeah...I watch Bill...when he steps on his own dick. :wink:

Posted by: Benzed 6.Mar.2006, 02:49 AM

Yah. I can understand how it would be more affecting to happen so close to you.

Believe me, you may not see it now but I had a great affinity with NYC and with the U.S itself in 2001 because I was THERE when it all kicked off. I saw the reactions, the fear, the complete confusion. I spoke to people who were directly affected, and I don´t wish this kind of scenario on anyone.

But it´s a fact that America has always had far more than its fair share of loonies, sickos and frankly dangerous psychopaths.

And outside of the political sphere, boy - it really gets nasty then! :wink:

Serious post except for that line :?

Posted by: Kodos 6.Mar.2006, 03:08 AM

Yes...sickos and psychopaths. And people seeking martyrdom for their -isms.

Posted by: no one 6.Mar.2006, 03:13 AM

i do not know how far off you are. my dad was a kennedy appointee in the '60's and he was a nut job trying to get balance within that admin. ala bay of pigs sht. he did not like war, he spent 3 years in the south pacific, nz mosttly when not at war. Benzed we might be...related. he was kind of...active.

and anyone who says the u.s. is not a "rubber room" does not understand what we have tried to do here. we actually want to get along. we just have no fkg idea how to do it.

Posted by: Cyberfluff 6.Mar.2006, 03:27 AM

QUOTE (Benzed)
Yah. I can understand how it would be more affecting to happen so close to you.

Believe me, you may not see it now but I had a great affinity with NYC and with the U.S itself in 2001 because I was THERE when it all kicked off. I saw the reactions, the fear, the complete confusion. I spoke to people who were directly affected, and I don´t wish this kind of scenario on anyone.

But it´s a fact that America has always had far more than its fair share of loonies, sickos and frankly dangerous psychopaths.

And outside of the political sphere, boy - it really gets nasty then! :wink:

Serious post except for that line :?


You make some very good points. I think that violence for a cause is deplorable, and ultimately, doesn't help whatever the cause is. All it does is make the middle-of-the-road people who would have agreed with the purported reason back away from fear of being associated with violent extremism. Terrorism is always awful and senseless, whether it's a bomb in a nightclub in Bali or flying a plane into an American building.

You're also right about America and the psychos. Maybe it's the water, maybe it's the culture, maybe it's something else entirely. But, I do think that, right or wrong, we are going to see continuing violence perpetrated for the same reasons in the U.S. The U.S. also saw violence from militant fringe groups back in the 60s. Just claiming it's insanity is a cop-out on the social issues that contribute to the cause.

Posted by: Benzed 6.Mar.2006, 03:27 AM

QUOTE (Jim In San Francisco)
... he did not like war, he spent 3 years in the south pacific, nz mosttly when not at war. Benzed we might be...related. he was kind of...active.


Ah, so that´s where I get it from? :twisted:

And the severe ignorance, literally, of so many people in the country, let´s say broadly and sweepingly "down south in particular" means any attempt to get along better is always going to be akin to pushing sh!t uphill with a pool cue.

Posted by: Cyberfluff 6.Mar.2006, 03:34 AM

QUOTE (Benzed)
And the severe ignorance, literally, of so many people in the country, let´s say broadly and sweepingly "down south in particular" means any attempt to get along better is always going to be akin to pushing sh!t uphill with a pool cue.


Yeah, but now there is Bush's "No Child Left Behind" mantra...

Posted by: no one 6.Mar.2006, 03:38 AM

i think no country really knows how to handle this stuff. having spent 5 weeks in nz i thought politics was univeraly useless. the nz first, the maori factions, etc.

man i am without a glue that will work, and, i have tried. stays slippery.

yep, sure it is where you get it from, must be genetic!

Posted by: Benzed 6.Mar.2006, 04:10 AM

The leader of NZ First is a friend of my dad and his mugshot billboards put up on my parents´ lawn!

Accordingly, the neighbourhood eggs go on the house soon afterwards. .. :?

Mel - this is some "better education" policy Dubbz is bringing in?

Posted by: no one 6.Mar.2006, 04:28 AM

i knew we were related. i rebel against my father every waking moment. nz first is far more right wing than i expected, but not loonies like here in the whatever it has become states.

Posted by: Benzed 6.Mar.2006, 04:39 AM

I don´t really consider them that freaky, I mean my dad´s a lot of things but he´s not a racist or overly prejudiced guy ... well. Haha. No.

All NZF want to do is keep the Japanese, American and Korean business interests from coming in and buying up our prime real estate and commercial interests. Funnily enough, that train of opposition thought is becoming increasingly popular at home, where such developments are all "new hat" to our fledgling nation.

Posted by: no one 6.Mar.2006, 05:08 AM

i think that while on the ferry, the almost barfing trip from picton to wellington, a maori elder tried to elevate me to understand the distance from what he wanted and needed to what he was going to find in the beehive.

i think, if anything i might add to my almost most favorite country, is that the nzf and the maori have a lot more in common than they know.

i might have said this before. when we were at the head of the que for leaving nz, we passed through the exit tax mans' stand. he asked for my passport, and, then for the $20nz.

i said i was not going to pay.

and, that nz was going to have to keep me.

the 747 400 passengers enjoyed that.

Posted by: Benzed 6.Mar.2006, 03:15 PM

Nice.

Winston Peters is of couse, Maori himself! laugh.gif

Posted by: no one 6.Mar.2006, 05:25 PM

i did not know that nzf had elected him, good on 'em. how do the fare as a force? There was a woman running the show during my last visit.

/jim

Posted by: Benzed 6.Mar.2006, 06:42 PM

Hang on ... NZF is New Zealand First. This is the leader.

[img]http://www.decisionmaker.co.nz/guide2003/hpw/images/mps/webWinston-Peters.jpg[/img]

This is *shudder* ... Helen Clark, the Prime Minister and leader of the nation :cry:

[img]http://archives.cnn.com/2000/US/09/05/un.summit.names.reut/58.new.zealand.clark.jpg[/img]

I wish I´d seen THIS though!

[img]http://jizmo.orcon.net.nz/b3ta/clarsimp.jpg[/img][/url]

Posted by: no one 6.Mar.2006, 07:42 PM

the geltleman seems decent enough, probably a little "rightish" for me, the woman looks angry. the next two remind me of our poli's. :oops:

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