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Posted by: Likvid 24.Nov.2012, 01:37 PM

Hi all,

I am Likvid and the one who is putting toghether the Astra 2F reception map for Europe.

I am lacking reports from Sweden and want more reports from all over Sweden and a screenshoot if possible.

The tuning parameters are 11024H 23000 8PSK DVB-S2

Please report and get back.

Posted by: Likvid 24.Nov.2012, 01:40 PM

Forgot to add to parameters it's FEC= 2/3

Posted by: Hisingen 26.Nov.2012, 02:27 PM

A further experimental map for the main spot beam including potential dish sizes. On the face of it it is not looking good without a ginormous dish. But then, will it be any worse than it was before our 'release' into UK TV thanks to 1N ? ? As you can see, much is made of the fact that this is still experimental, but 2F should be coming into effect in the next week or so. Only having a Sky digital box, I could get nothing from the given data from the OP, since I could not change to the 23000. My box returned a No channel available message. So clearly the experimental transmissions are not intended for normal receivers.


Posted by: skogsbo 26.Nov.2012, 04:02 PM

it's all obviously orbits and angles, but Cornwall has potentially the same signal strength as Iceland. We don't have a dish, yet, I was waiting to see where the dust settles on this first.

Posted by: Likvid 26.Nov.2012, 04:18 PM

I am the guy from astra2f.org site which is responsible for the reception map.

Any reports will be welcome so please visit the site and state your location and dish size.

Posted by: Rick Methven 26.Nov.2012, 04:44 PM

My setup is:

Dish: ASC Signal "Channel Master" 120 cm
LNB: Invacom QDF-031 with Channel Master feed horn
Box: Humax Foxsat-HD
Location: Ljungsbro - 58.30.09 N 15.30.44E

Currently receive all 1N channels with 85-90% strength but only H polarity, I get no vertical polarity channels

I have been trying to check out the reception on the 11023 H frequency but in either Freesat or non fresat mode the box does not recognise 11023 to tune even when I do a manual tune. What am I doing wrong?

according to the Astra web site although full migration is supposed to be completed by today, only 11023 has gone over so far

Posted by: intrepidfox 26.Nov.2012, 04:57 PM

Unfortunately i have a satellite dish etc from netonnet so i have absolutely no idea how to reprogramme the box in the future. At the moment i have a 90cm dish and have no problems at all unlike during the summer when a tree blocked the signal.

Posted by: Rick Methven 26.Nov.2012, 05:44 PM

Just read the manual and found out how to add a frequency if not present in the box list.

I added 11023H etc and saved it but when I tried to search it came back with a not found. It is dark now and the weather is having a break-up effect on most channels which may be the problem. I will try again in the morning and report

Posted by: intrepidfox 26.Nov.2012, 05:54 PM

Does anybody know when 1N will cease to transmit? I just did a search on 28.2E and my BBC news is back and a few other channels. Is this because of the new satellite or just luck

Posted by: fogelfeifer 26.Nov.2012, 07:42 PM

Seems to be a dual-thread going on here...elsewhere on the forum there's another similar discusssion with reception info etc etc and also a lot of technical feedback available on http://www.astra2.org for Sweden and most of Europe potentially affected.

Posted by: Rick Methven 27.Nov.2012, 04:08 PM

According to Astra - untill today, all channels should have moved to 2F by last Sunday now they say this

QUOTE
Channels & Frequencies for Astra 2F at 28.2° East
Currently only Transponder 61 has moved to Astra 2F
Last updated: November 27, 2012
Listed below, are the channels and frequencies for the Astra 2F satellite.
For Astra 2A, Astra 2B and Eutelsat 28A frequencies, please see: Flysat - Lyngsat - King of Sat
All frequencies from Astra 1N are to be transfered to Astra 2F. No date confirmed at present.

Seems like " Huston we have a problem

What we need is one of Trow's laser beams to put it out of action completely

Posted by: Gordy 27.Nov.2012, 05:05 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 27.Nov.2012, 04:08 PM) *
untill today,

Hopefully you won't lose reception, you need to watch more English TV Rick, your starting to write in Swinglish! biggrin.gif

Would love to hear more reception reports from down here on the south coast, there is one from Copenhagen which is about 35km as the crow flies from me reporting reception on a 1.5m dish. According to the map above I am just on the line for a 1.2m dish but I'd guess that would be too much to hope for!

Posted by: Likvid 27.Nov.2012, 05:38 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 26.Nov.2012, 04:44 PM) *
My setup is:

Dish: ASC Signal "Channel Master" 120 cm
LNB: Invacom QDF-031 with Channel Master feed horn
Box: Humax Foxsat-HD
Location: Ljungsbro - 58.30.09 N 15.30.44E

Currently receive all 1N channels with 85-90% strength but only H polarity, I get no vertical polarity channels

I have been trying to check out the reception on the 11023 H frequency but in either Freesat or non fresat mode the box does not recognise 11023 to tune even when I do a manual tune. What am I doing wrong?

according to the Astra web site although full migration is supposed to be completed by today, only 11023 has gone over so far

You probably doesn't have enough large dish as i know Gibertini 150cm is doable in Norrköping.

Try again add to manually add the parameters and get back if you can get anything.

Posted by: Rick Methven 27.Nov.2012, 08:26 PM

I tried earlier today and still got no signal. But the reception on SD has been poor today because of weather.
I will try again when 1N reception is better

Posted by: Hisingen 28.Nov.2012, 02:00 PM

Here on the west coast north of Gbg. on my 1m offset dish (after 10 years use I forget the LNB) and Sky box I still have ALL the BBC, ITV, and any channel that is on my subscription without exception at signal strength and quality of 90% and without problems (so far).
All is as it has been - or still is? - from Astra 1N. On the Sky box I am able to change the frequencies, FEC, and polarity, but not the symbol rate. That is tied to those rates used by Sky, and cannot be varied beyond them, and I don't have HD. For that I have been waiting to see what happens with Astra 2F, as it would be pointless in aiming high if reception proves to be either non-existent on my channels, or too poor to be worthwhile.
I just did a run-thru' on the channels this morning, to verify the accuracy of my statement, and all is as stated.

Posted by: Rick Methven 28.Nov.2012, 02:24 PM

You are still on 1N

no change over has happened as yet.

the place to look is astra.org/astra2f.html

Posted by: Hisingen 28.Nov.2012, 02:34 PM

Yes, Rick, I guessed as much. I visit the Astra2.org every day, to keep up. I put up a comment there today since I figured that any comment is of assistance to those following the fate of our UK programmes. Evidence of reception and consequent changes is of help when such changes are planned and when they eventually take place, together with the effects on reception, don't you agree?
A Sky box has tuning limitations, so I must rely on outside help for notifications and other info.

Posted by: Rick Methven 29.Nov.2012, 09:49 AM

Because of heavy snow fall and winds yesterday, I had no reception at all on any channel except eutelsat 2. I was getting worried that the changeover had happened, but today they are all back. ITV1 came back last night just in time for the missus to watch Emmerdale

Posted by: Hisingen 30.Nov.2012, 10:15 PM

The latest as I see it, regarding Astra 2F. Tuesday is to be the day as the following info from the Astra 2 Forum.
Snow or not we shall soon know whether or not our Christmas will be with or without some channels. I reckon, though, that we will be looking at Astra 1N as a 'Happy hour'. sad.gif

SES Services are currently being transferred to ASTRA 2F. BBC (Trp 2.061) has been migrated to Astra 2F whereas Channel 5 (Tp 2.057), ITV (2.059 & 2.063) and Channel 4 (Tp 2.068) will move to Astra 2F next Tuesday. This will then mark the completion of the transfer"

https://www.facebook.com/SES.YourSatelliteCompany

Transponder 61 is new: 11023 H, 23000 2/3, DVB-S2/8PSK, currently testing on 2F
The other 1N transponders due to be transferred by next Tuesday:

Transponder 57, 10964 H, 22000, 5/6, DVB-S/MPEG-2, currently carries Channel Five (regions 1-5) 5 USA, 5 USA+1, 5*, 5*+1 and Channel Five +1
Transponder 59, 10994 H, 22000, 5/6, DVB-S/MPEG-2, carries ITV One regions
Transponder 63, 11053H, 22000, 5/6, DVB-S/MPEG-2, carries the other ITV One regions and ITV One London HD.
Transponder 68, 11126 V, 22000, 5/6 DVB-S/QPSK carries Channel Four HD and 4 Seven

Read more: http://astra2.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=a2f&action=display&thread=2282#ixzz2Dk5xZEMP

Posted by: Rick Methven 4.Dec.2012, 09:03 PM

Channel 5/5+1/5*/5usa has moved and I can still get them but the quality is poor, why means I could do with a 150 Cm dish

Posted by: bjorkon 4.Dec.2012, 09:46 PM

I'm just north of Stockholm. None of the migrated channels now work as of the changeover for those channels (ch.5 ch 4 HD etc.) as of today.

2M C120 Prime Focus dish + Invacom Quad, with Echostar HDS 600 RS receiver, also a separate Panasonic TV with in built Freesat.

Anyone in the Stockholm area got these channels still working on Astra 2F today?

Posted by: bjorkon 4.Dec.2012, 09:48 PM

By the way I won't miss Ch5. Losing Ch4 HD is a minor inconvenience. Looks like we may get to keep the rest for a few months if the gossip on the forums is right.

Posted by: Rick Methven 5.Dec.2012, 03:06 PM

Reception on 10964 H ( channel 5) has improved a bit since yesterday when there was a lot of pixelation. now comes quite clear strength 80% quality 50% ( was 90/80). This is strange considering we have a blizzard blowing with 40cm snow and pressure of 988mb.

Location: Linköping

Dish: Channel Master 120cm
LNB: Invacom quad
Box: Humax Foxsat HDR

It seems that the channels moved yesterday are it until after the New Year as the broadcasters do not want viewers to have technical difficulties of the Christmas period. On the Astra 2F forum, it is also postulated that Sky will broadcast on the Pan European beam as they have a large revenue from Expats - although they officially do not recognize it.

Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Dec.2012, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 4.Dec.2012, 09:03 PM) *
Channel 5/5+1/5*/5usa has moved and I can still get them but the quality is poor, why means I could do with a 150 Cm dish

I´ve lost the same as you and ITV1+1

Posted by: Hisingen 5.Dec.2012, 04:53 PM

I went thru' my channels last night, and yes, the 5's and ITV 1 and 1+, and 4seven are off screen. otherwise the whole of the Sky programme on my card is still there, despite heavy snow falling. So not much has been moved as Rick says. I get all my stuff on a 90cm offset dish and looking at the setup menu, it is at signal strength 8-9 and quality 9. Maybe Christmas is saved, who knows? Maybe we could hope that 2F falls from the sky - - or gets blown away into space.

Wishful thinking ??? smile.gif

Posted by: intrepidfox 5.Dec.2012, 05:57 PM

I also have a 90cm dish in Göteborg. Reception is great. I hope also 2F falls from the sky and 1N returns

Posted by: Rick Methven 5.Dec.2012, 08:56 PM

And pigs might fly

The best we can hope for is the investment in a bigger dish will be delayed until the spring.

Posted by: Hisingen 6.Dec.2012, 06:26 PM

By delaying any purchasing until next year, we will at least have better weather to look forward to for assembly and setting up, although how far we will have to go will be up to each of us individually. Sky will doubtless not be interested in our woes.
I find that the Sky EPG has now got a distorted background, so something has at least happened even there.
From the Astra 2F website, they list which channels have been moved so far (we have already noted them), and that they are on the UK spot beam. So unless anyone can pull them in with a larger dish, then it does look as if the spot beam will be more than a little restrictive. Perhaps even more so than the old 2D. We shall have to wait and see what is left when the changeover is completed.

Posted by: Hisingen 11.Dec.2012, 01:10 PM

As afore said the accepted channels have moved, and reception is nil. But last night Four7 came in for a short spell, albeit the typical digital breakup in picture and sound making it impossible to actually follow anything going on, but it was an indication that perhaps at some time in the future a larger dish than my existing 1m MIGHT be the answer. However, today the same message that there is no signal being received was apparent. So it may have just been a freak signal despite it being a cloudy sky.
One thing at least is that the Sky EPG is now without any distortion.

Posted by: oldscot1 12.Dec.2012, 07:03 PM

I finally set up my 120, offset, in Älvdalen a few weeks ago. LNB is a really nasty one from the cheap electronic shop.
Apart from channel 5, I see no difference from any thing i was getting off 1N. I used to live in Stockholm, and rain tended to stop play. Amazingly enough, I seemed to be receiving stronger signal from 1N than I ever did down south.
I did not set up my dish too well before the weather turned bad. I had so much signal strength and quality, I could wiggle the whole set up, any where i wanted.
I guess if I go out ( when warmer) , I may be able to align things slightly better. 5 may come back. It may be my 10 plus year old sky box is not as sharp as it could be.
OH and owing to trees, I only have one place in the garden where I can see clear sky. So it is temporary bolted to a tree!
Not ideal.

Posted by: Rick Methven 12.Dec.2012, 07:20 PM

Apart from Channel 5 !

That is the only one that has move to 2F.

I get the '5' channels intermittently depending on the weather. Sometimes perfect, sometimes pixilated and sometimes, the dreaded "NO OR BAD SIGNAL"

Posted by: Hisingen 12.Dec.2012, 08:38 PM

Here are the channels that have moved so far - to the UK spotbeam! ! For us the worst possible.


Posted by: Rick Methven 19.Jan.2013, 01:15 PM

I am currently in Tenerife . There is normally no problems with UK channels but now channel 5 has gone after move to 2f.
The complex I am in has a 5m dish and it does help

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