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Posted by: Osk 28.Nov.2005, 02:40 PM

Does anyone know where I can get good quality Uk to Swedish plug adapters. The travel ones are oK but I am tired of dodging the blue flash that keeps coming out of it.

John

Posted by: Mark Boy 28.Nov.2005, 02:42 PM

laugh.gif hej John, the 1 I have I bought in an airport, you can get them in duty free...a bit more expensive but much better!

Posted by: Citrus 28.Nov.2005, 02:45 PM

clas ohlsson?

Posted by: Wanna-be 28.Nov.2005, 02:45 PM

John Freeman

Try keeping your hands dry, it really does help. Or just rip off the UK plug and install a Swedish one, like...

:twisted:

Posted by: Richard 28.Nov.2005, 03:41 PM

The blue flash happens in my flat when I plug Swedish appliances in, so you could call it a design feature of the system here.

I found the easiest way was to bring a 4-way board with me from the UK and stick a Swedish plug on it -- this has made life so much easier for me.

Posted by: Harry 29.Nov.2005, 08:03 AM

good information

Posted by: somethingbrite 26.Nov.2010, 03:37 AM

Depends where you live.
I guess modern apartments (built since 1970 maybe) and most modern housing may have earth at the sockets.
However, Not one of the apartments I have lived in (5 to date) has had an earth anywhere except in the kitchen.

Posted by: GarryJones2 26.Nov.2010, 04:47 AM

Better to put Swedish plugs on. Its might not be legal with the UK fuses in the actual plugs and besides you wont find replacements for the fuses.

As for Earth sockets. Most Swedish people don't realise. Earthed appliances should be earthed in rooms that are earthed. A typical low-enerigy computer monitor has to be earthed in an earthed room. If it is not earthed it is not low-energy.

The worst thing you can do is draw a long earthed extension from the Kitchen to the unearthed living room if the kitchen has Earthed sockets but not the living room. Then you have an earthed appliance in a non-earthed room. And any fault could through you to reach earth. The correct way to do it is to rewire the entire living room, including the light socket.

If you just rewire the sockets and not the light socket, consider: Someone is changing a lightbulb in the ceiling in a non-earthed socket. As they climb up on a chair to reach their leg brushes against an earthed desktop computer standing on a table top. As they start unscrewing the bulb it breaks, it was on and the short circuited, electrical current now rushes to earth down the arm, through the body and to earth via the earthed Desktop computer that the leg is still brushing against. This is potentially fatal.

Since 1992 all new houses and appartments in Sweden have to have only earthed sockets.

The better alternative if you don't rewire rooms is to plug the earthed appliance into a non-earthed socket. It's the lesser of two evils and generally the way you expect to find pc's plugged into Swedish living rooms. However, you really should rewire the entire room.

One thing you must not do is use a English earthed 4-way socket into a Swedish unearthed socket. This means that earth terminates in the 4-way socket, possibly causing a fire in all 4 appliances plugged into it if there is a fault. Having said that if you do this its likely to be okay as long as you never plug an earthed appliance into it. But as previously stated you should not be using English fused plugs

Typical earther appliances are laptops, pcs, monitors, irons, washing machines.

All UK homes are std 220v (some 115v exist in bathrooms).

Sweden also uses 220v and 115v but also a so called 3-phase 400v socket. This are used for some ovens, radiators and a few other things. Beware of 400v, they are driven by 2 seperate fuses, so pulling a fuse does not disconnect the supply to the socket.

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 26.Nov.2010, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (GarryJones2 @ 26.Nov.2010, 04:47 AM) *
Better to put Swedish plugs on. Its might not be legal with the UK fuses in the actual plugs and besides you wont find replacements for the fuses.

As for Earth sockets. Most Swedish people don't realise. Earthed appliances should be earthed in rooms that are earthed. A typical low-enerigy computer monitor has to be earthed in an earthed room. If it is not earthed it is not low-energy.

The worst thing you can do is draw a long earthed extension from the Kitchen to the unearthed living room if the kitchen has Earthed sockets but not the living room. Then you have an earthed appliance in a non-earthed room. And any fault could through you to reach earth. The correct way to do it is to rewire the entire living room, including the light socket.

If you just rewire the sockets and not the light socket, consider: Someone is changing a lightbulb in the ceiling in a non-earthed socket. As they climb up on a chair to reach their leg brushes against an earthed desktop computer standing on a table top. As they start unscrewing the bulb it breaks, it was on and the short circuited, electrical current now rushes to earth down the arm, through the body and to earth via the earthed Desktop computer that the leg is still brushing against. This is potentially fatal.

Since 1992 all new houses and appartments in Sweden have to have only earthed sockets.

The better alternative if you don't rewire rooms is to plug the earthed appliance into a non-earthed socket. It's the lesser of two evils and generally the way you expect to find pc's plugged into Swedish living rooms. However, you really should rewire the entire room.

One thing you must not do is use a English earthed 4-way socket into a Swedish unearthed socket. This means that earth terminates in the 4-way socket, possibly causing a fire in all 4 appliances plugged into it if there is a fault. Having said that if you do this its likely to be okay as long as you never plug an earthed appliance into it. But as previously stated you should not be using English fused plugs

Typical earthed appliances are laptops, pcs, monitors, irons, washing machines.

All UK homes are std 220v (some 115v exist in bathrooms).

Sweden also uses 220v and 115v but also a so called 3-phase 400v socket. This are used for some ovens, radiators and a few other things. Beware of 400v, they are driven by 2 seperate fuses, so pulling a fuse does not disconnect the supply to the socket.


Earthed equipment does not use the earth circuit if functioning properly, so it can have no effect on energy usage.

Sweden uses 230V 50Hz nowadays. 115V is only used for electric razors in bathrooms.

Posted by: Mirrorman 26.Nov.2010, 10:04 AM

lol spot the people with no lives. this thread is over 5 years old. lol.losers

Posted by: Johno 26.Nov.2010, 10:06 AM

QUOTE
The worst thing you can do is draw a long earthed extension from the Kitchen to the unearthed living room if the kitchen has Earthed sockets but not the living room. Then you have an earthed appliance in a non-earthed room. And any fault could through you to reach earth. The correct way to do it is to rewire the entire living room, including the light socket.

If you just rewire the sockets and not the light socket, consider: Someone is changing a lightbulb in the ceiling in a non-earthed socket. As they climb up on a chair to reach their leg brushes against an earthed desktop computer standing on a table top. As they start unscrewing the bulb it breaks, it was on and the short circuited, electrical current now rushes to earth down the arm, through the body and to earth via the earthed Desktop computer that the leg is still brushing against. This is potentially fatal.

Did you have training in writing nonsense and gibberish, or does it come naturally ?

QUOTE
All UK homes are std 220v


No, 240 v is standard. And I've just measured mine with a digital meter.

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 26.Nov.2010, 10:23 AM

QUOTE (Mirrorman @ 26.Nov.2010, 10:04 AM) *
lol spot the people with no lives. this thread is over 5 years old. lol.losers


Well, you should know everything about that...

Posted by: Mirrorman 26.Nov.2010, 10:34 AM

id be surprised if you pay for electrictiy bender, after all you are a self admitted thief.

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 26.Nov.2010, 10:57 AM

QUOTE (Mirrorman @ 26.Nov.2010, 10:34 AM) *
id be surprised if you pay for electrictiy bender, after all you are a self admitted thief.


How so?

Posted by: Mirrorman 26.Nov.2010, 03:17 PM

tv license to start with.

Posted by: GarryJones2 26.Nov.2010, 05:43 PM

> Earthed equipment does not use the earth circuit if functioning properly, so it can have no effect on energy usage.

Do you understand Swedish?

I meant the low energy monitors and the "strålning".

Read this

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/it_telekom/allmant/article6649.ece

If you don't understand Swedish, try Google translate's version.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyteknik.se%2Fnyheter%2Fit_telekom%2Fallmant%2Farticle6649.ece

Posted by: Johno 26.Nov.2010, 06:18 PM

So after spouting incoherencies about earthed and unearthed appliances, you make the quantum leap to electromagnetic radiation and link this somehow to energy useage, where there is no link. If you had read the article you quoted and commented on fitting earth leakage trips and using double insulated appliances which dont need earthing, it might be of some relevance, even though the article makes a spurious link between their use and radiation emissions. Otherwise you havent made much sense yet. Perhaps you think that laptops are dangerous since their mains links are unearthed, and have something momentous to say.

ps Are you Gary Jones alter ego since he is also on line at the moment of posting ?

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 26.Nov.2010, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (GarryJones2 @ 26.Nov.2010, 05:43 PM) *
> Earthed equipment does not use the earth circuit if functioning properly, so it can have no effect on energy usage.

Do you understand Swedish?

I meant the low energy monitors and the "strålning".

Read this

http://www.nyteknik.se/nyheter/it_telekom/allmant/article6649.ece

If you don't understand Swedish, try Google translate's version.
http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=sv&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nyteknik.se%2Fnyheter%2Fit_telekom%2Fallmant%2Farticle6649.ece


Yes, I'm swedish, but this is an 11 year old article about electro magnetic radiation for old CRT monitors; not about energy usage, and certainly not applicable to LCD monitors.

Posted by: richardbw 26.Nov.2010, 08:37 PM

Oh how I miss the chunky but much safer UK plug/socket system! Extended earth pin (engaging/disengaging the safety covers over the live/neutral ports) and individual fuses for each appliance rated over 3 ohms. One has to wonder how others survive the perils of electricity smile.gif

Posted by: Johno 26.Nov.2010, 08:59 PM

Ah, chance for some intelligent debate. I was rather upset when years ago a Finnish visitor said that our plug socket system was clumsy, and I thought then of the merits of the ring main idea, separate fuses, shielded sockets etc. But I have grown to like the Swedish system, even though there are rather more types of plug/socket than seem healthy. The UK plugs are now less clunky now that they are moulded, but on electrical grounds the thickness of the pins are far more than needed to pass the current.

I like the simple 2 pins with part shielded pins, their use justified in that so many appliances now do not need earthing (double insulated, even power tools). And petsäker sockets are in use. But the shapes of some plugs to go in both earthed and unearthed sockets is a bit wierd.

Its good that light fittings have their mini plugs and sockets, so that they can be changed without exposing ceiling terminals. But again wierd having 2 types.

Finally 400 v was a bit of a brain scrambler, but most 400 v appliances are permanently wired, even though the 5 pin plugs exist. You get to understand the idea, and realise that 400 v is still (only) 230 v to earth.

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 26.Nov.2010, 09:37 PM

QUOTE (Johno @ 26.Nov.2010, 08:59 PM) *
Ah, chance for some intelligent debate. I was rather upset when years ago a Finnish visitor said that our plug socket system was clumsy, and I thought then of the merits of the ring main idea, separate fuses, shielded sockets etc. But I have grown to like the Swedish system, even though there are rather more types of plug/socket than seem healthy. The UK plugs are now less clunky now that they are moulded, but on electrical grounds the thickness of the pins are far more than needed to pass the current.

I like the simple 2 pins with part shielded pins, their use justified in that so many appliances now do not need earthing (double insulated, even power tools). And petsäker sockets are in use. But the shapes of some plugs to go in both earthed and unearthed sockets is a bit wierd.

Its good that light fittings have their mini plugs and sockets, so that they can be changed without exposing ceiling terminals. But again wierd having 2 types.

Finally 400 v was a bit of a brain scrambler, but most 400 v appliances are permanently wired, even though the 5 pin plugs exist. You get to understand the idea, and realise that 400 v is still (only) 230 v to earth.


The UK plugs are very ugly and clumsy. I like the size of US plugs, but they feel very unsafe since the sockets are flat and the pins not isolated. My favourite from both safety and size are the flat non-earthed European/Asian plugs.

Essentially the EU/Asian system only has two types of plug/sockets: the flat plugs (non-earthed) and the round plugs (earthed), with respective sockets. Any other plugs/sockets are old ones, not made anymore.

Posted by: Johno 26.Nov.2010, 10:27 PM

QUOTE
Essentially the EU/Asian system only has two types of plug/sockets: the flat plugs (non-earthed) and the round plugs (earthed), with respective sockets. Any other plugs/sockets are old ones, not made anymore

Well, Jula and Clas Ohlson must have a lot of old stock to still be selling a wide range of round unearthed plugs and sockets. Including single line sockets, single and multiple wall sockets, multiplug extension boards and 2 way adaptors.

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 27.Nov.2010, 12:03 AM

QUOTE (Johno @ 26.Nov.2010, 10:27 PM) *
Well, Jula and Clas Ohlson must have a lot of old stock to still be selling a wide range of round unearthed plugs and sockets. Including single line sockets, single and multiple wall sockets, multiplug extension boards and 2 way adaptors.


Well, that's true, you have the round non-earthed type too, but that's being phased out since the new building standard only allows for earthed sockets and those plugs don't work there. So in total you have three types of plugs and corresponding sockets. The number of slots on your socket/extension board does not really alter the type.

Posted by: Garry Jones 27.Nov.2010, 01:14 AM

> Are you Gary Jones alter ego since he is also on line at the moment of posting ?

Haha, no, I have 2 logins GarryJones and GarryJones2

I set up the second one when I had written something wrong as a comment to a news item on here. Thelocal does not allow 2 consecutive comments from one user. In the forums I have one permanently logged in via firefox and one via msie.

> Perhaps you think that laptops are dangerous since their mains links are unearthed, and have something momentous to say.

I found the following on a Swedish site. It says that if you don't earth a computer and plug in network and hdmi cables that it can overload the hdmi cable and break things. The person writing seems to know what he is talking about.

Comments?
Swedish quote:
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Och undvik att koppla in datorer i ojordade uttag, eftersom det kan ge otäcka krypspänningar när man kopplar ihop dem med andra prylar, tex via nätverk eller långa ljudkablar. I längden går saker sönder.
Det kan jag skriva under på.
Har sabbat två nya tv-apparater genom att koppla ihop tv med dator, innan jag fick för mig att mäta hdmi-kabeln mot jord och hittade 230. (hdmi jobbar med 5V).
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Source:
http://www.byggahus.se/forum/el/157757-jordat-uttag-utan-jord-tillatet.html

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 27.Nov.2010, 02:33 AM

QUOTE (Garry Jones @ 27.Nov.2010, 01:14 AM) *
Comments?
Swedish quote:
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Och undvik att koppla in datorer i ojordade uttag, eftersom det kan ge otäcka krypspänningar när man kopplar ihop dem med andra prylar, tex via nätverk eller långa ljudkablar. I längden går saker sönder.
Det kan jag skriva under på.
Har sabbat två nya tv-apparater genom att koppla ihop tv med dator, innan jag fick för mig att mäta hdmi-kabeln mot jord och hittade 230. (hdmi jobbar med 5V).
------------------------
Source:
http://www.byggahus.se/forum/el/157757-jordat-uttag-utan-jord-tillatet.html


The only way I can see this happening is if the computer has a surge protector and the power supply gives "unclean" voltage.

The protective earth (PE) and the neutral connector have the same potential and in any earthed equipment the PE must not be connected to the active circuit; it should only be connected to the casing. However, surge protectors often use the PE to divert minor voltage spikes and if it is not connected to earth it will not work.

Posted by: GarryJones2 27.Nov.2010, 02:50 AM

Thanks Bender, that made things clearer, so when I get my wide screen tv I should not have any worries connecting the pc to the hdmi socket even though my laptop is not earthed?

Posted by: Bender B Rodriquez 27.Nov.2010, 03:00 AM

QUOTE (GarryJones2 @ 27.Nov.2010, 02:50 AM) *
Thanks Bender, that made things clearer, so when I get my wide screen tv I should not have any worries connecting the pc to the hdmi socket even though my laptop is not earthed?


Not a problem. Most TVs are not earthed anyway...

Posted by: Hawk 12.Jan.2016, 09:26 AM

I was so happy to find this old post today after getting a blue flash when plugging in my laptop in my apartment yesterday night. It seems I have no earth, apart from in the kitchen and bathroom. A common practice in the 1950's in Sweden.
Most apparatus used in the house is double insulated so doesn't connect to earth anyway - tv's and lamps.
The kitchen and bathrooms always seem to be earthed so I guess that makes them safe for dish washers and washing machines.
The fuse board is also very sensitive but is, I guess, extremely safe as it has 10amp fuses for the sockets.
I must admit I really like the look of the unearthed Swedish electrical plug - slightly different to the european molded plug. A really interesting system which has sort of evolved over time.

Posted by: Hallander 12.Jan.2016, 09:46 AM

Ah, to be taken back in time to Gary Jones vapourings about subjects that he did not comprehend.

And I too have noticed a flash when connecting laptop charger leads, not just in Sweden but UK also. I surmise that there is a surge when they are first connected, though they are otherwise pretty low consuming. Its nothing to do with presence or absence of any earthing. Oh, and the flatter 2 pin, nice and compact and becoming universal connector is a Euro plug. Its not just Swedish. http://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/c/ Its a pity the UK shaver plugs are often slightly bigger (based on the old 5 amp plugs).

Posted by: Hawk 12.Jan.2016, 10:00 AM

QUOTE (Hallander @ 12.Jan.2016, 09:46 AM) *
Ah, to be taken back in time to Gary Jones vapourings about subjects that he did not comprehend.

And I too have noticed a flash when connecting laptop charger leads, not just in Sweden but UK also. I surmise that there is a surge when they are first connected, though they are otherwise pretty low consuming. Its nothing to do with presence or absence of any earthing. Oh, and the flatter 2 pin, nice and compact and becoming universal connector is a Euro plug. Its not just Swedish. http://www.worldstandards.eu/electricity/plugs-and-sockets/c/ Its a pity the UK shaver plugs are often slightly bigger (based on the old 5 amp plugs).


To my knowledge this isnt a 'europlug' but a Swedish unearthed plug.
Just to be sure?

Posted by: Hallander 12.Jan.2016, 10:11 AM

You are absolutely right, though they are obselescent, and Europlugs are now the norm. What you picture has the disadvantage that they dont fit all earthed sockets very well, since the springy earth connectors in the socket catch on the completely round bit on the plug that has to go into the socket. Some sockets I think also have bars going down that actually prevent the use of these round plugs. Though there is no reason that they should not go into all sockets, earthed or unearthed. All my cottage main fuses (old style) are 15 amp, whether for lighting or power circuits.

Separately, what I find a bit funny is that the UK plug aways locates live and neutral whereas all of this type of socket, earthed or unearthed can go in either way. It does mean never to trust the switch on the appliance to make it safe to tinker with, always take the plug out. Cos you may be switching the neutral connector, not the live one, leaving live parts in the appliance.

Posted by: Hawk 12.Jan.2016, 10:40 AM

The 'polarisation question' had me interested as I am switching the plugs over from the UK variety. I guess most of the appliances from the 80's onwards switch at both live and neutral?

The outlets in my apartment are mostly the originals (see pic) - from 1955. In a strange way the old Swedish plug seems to fit / rest more safely than the new 'europlug'. That said the pins are shielded on the europlug which is important with such little recess on the socket mouth.


Having moved here from a new home in middlesex it was a bit of a shock to see old electrical outlets and plugs. I guess there are plenty of old installations still around in England!

The Swedish sockets and plugs are much less invasive and nicer looking!

Are they safer? That I am not so sure on!

Posted by: Hallander 12.Jan.2016, 10:59 AM

No, I dont think double pole switching is the norm, but for most situations it doesnt need to be. When a Finnish friend years ago said that our 3 pin fused sockets were bulky ugly things I was rather indignant. But honestly, only now that they are all moulded and the size reduced do they start to compare with continental ones in neatness. Our sockets fused on the live connector have a certain safety advantage? But they were over engineered in a number of ways. Pins far bigger than that needed to carry even 13 amps. But it was designed to fit in with our 30amp ring main system. The best bit nowadays is part shielded pins becoming the norm with all plugs. Agreed that some euro plugs dont seem very secure in these older sockets. But Euro sockets are the other norm. More secure.

I think for your situation, luckily 2 pins are now the most common type since even power tools are "double insulated" and don't need an earth. Agreed that if you have all "old" sockets its all very neat and compact, so you have a nice neat looking set up. I assume earthed sockets in kitchen and bathroom ? Seems you can still buy the diy loose 2 pin plugs like your to fit yourself (looks to have the bigger round bit) http://www.clasohlson.com/se see Stickpropp,-ojordad/Pr220752000

No, I dont think that any pre 13 amp installations remain in the UK ? They would have been condemned, rewired. Its over 60 years that they were introduced after all

Posted by: Hawk 12.Jan.2016, 02:24 PM

I think moving here has inspired me to be a little more curious about things I didn't think much about. A phenomenon I am sure experienced by most of us here!

I had once asked an electrician if I could have a instant hot water shower installed in my summer cabin here. This was met by a wall of confusion and I think we boiled the answer down to no. I still really don't understand quite why but I guess it is something to do with the AMPs coming into the cabin.

I remember going to my grandmothers in the UK back in the 1980's and she had a terrifically exciting BS 546 socket in each room. Obviously, phased out as people rewired homes to the new standard.

Interestingly, I did once own a new apartment in London which had BS 546 2amp sockets for lamps so that they could be switched at the wall which I thought was a little neat!

I guess every system has it's odd variations.

Viva la differences!

Posted by: Hisingen 12.Jan.2016, 09:50 PM

I think I am right in saying that basically, in domestic use, we have four plugs in use. A special three-phase cooker plug, the earthed two pin and the non-earthed two pin, both having the rounded form, although the non-earthed can only be used in a non-earthed socket, and the newer non-earthed flat two pin. Of late, too, there are sockets available for the flat two-pin, which makes for a very discrete multiple outlet.
For other purposes there are of course the industrial type sockets and plugs, red or blue, for three phase and single phase.
With the advent of the German Bauhaus and Hornbach companies, we also now have switched plugs, which is a relatively new innovation on the Swedish market, with some of the switches being two-pole, making for added safety for the appliance, and bringing us closer to the UK switched outlet.
For you experts out there, there is a visible sign that a switch is double pole. You know what it is of course??

Posted by: Hallander 13.Jan.2016, 10:57 AM

QUOTE
You know what it is of course??
No, why don't you tell us ! Visible on the switch as installed ?

I checked all the electrics in our cottage, and found that the idiot DIY (Swedish) previous owner had wired the kitchen water heater switch (single pole) to switch only the neutral line. Stangely, amongst the spares he left, was a double pole switch. So that got changed.

He also wired up earthed sockets in the kitchen without any earth, so that fridge, toaster, kettle were running unearthed. Discovered after I kept noticing a slight tingle touching the fridge.

Posted by: Hisingen 13.Jan.2016, 02:45 PM

Indeed yes. Rotary switches have a I and O, rocker switches mostly have just a O. A quick look in the Clas Ohlson or Kjell & Co catalogues will confirm.

As to your experience with the previous owners DIY kamikaze wiring - ouch.

It is little wonder that stores selling electrical fittings do their best to tell you to get an authorised electrician to do the job. Some of those doing it themselves haven't a clue, as I also found with the houses I have had and did with my current home.

In my previous house, the owner had added insulation internally, thus hiding all the junction boxes that we can normally access, and I never did find about 50% of them, nor the 'in-built' door chime transformer.
The current house had mysterious wires going hither and thither, and which were subsequently found to be feeding wall outlets by making devious unprotected journeys through walls and cupboards and fed from the most unlikely sources. Happily I can say that today, all is as safe as it can ever be.
My first house bought in Sweden, in Gbg had been moved intact - on a lorry from what was to be the oil harbour - to a new district created to accommodate these houses. That was back in '27, and the wiring was from that period. Sure it ran in conduit. Paper lined metal conduit. Touch the wires if you dare, since the slightest disturbance caused the insulation to disintegrate leaving bare wires. That place required a total re-wiring in order to remove the ticking fuse.
Thank heaven for the current VP conduit and the modern fittings that reduce risk to a very low level, and make installation that much easier.
I, for one, am more than pleased at the advent of switched plugs here, even if we can never be sure which wire is switched. At least it does give us just a little more control. Control that the UK switched outlets provides excellently.

I just realised that I have omitted to mention the low-voltage plugs - similar to the two-pin 10 amp plug but with pins of different sizes to thus avoid making a mistake. That was because in all my time here I have never physically encountered them, but they seemingly still do exist and are available, for use in leisure cottages, caravans and boats on 12 or 24V. I found reference to these in an old Clas Ohlson catalogue from 1989 ! ! But I had also seen them in a recent catalogue somewhere.

You mention the 30amp ring main. Yes, I remember that when I bought a place back when in the UK . with the main fuse rather like a 6" nail - - - . But in my home village we had no electricity unil the early '50s even though there was electricity on the RAF/USAF airfield adjacent. Evacuated from London, where we had all mod cons, it was like a step into the past. Paraffin lamps, oil stoves for cooking when we did not use the kitchen range to save the ration of coal, and the loo on the other side of the path that fed the row of cottages, and a tap in a box at the end of the path supplying us all with water. During winter when it froze, everyone waited as long as they could to see who was brave enough to try and thaw it out. Ah - those were the days - - - or not. These thoughts come to mind today when the thermometer is indicating -7

Posted by: Hawk 13.Jan.2016, 08:27 PM

Well I have been confused all day by a light socket on my livingroom ceiling. It has 2 live feeds and a neutral so I think it is a way of having a dimming function by only having half of the fitting lit - like a 2 bulb fitting. The wall switch has 2 switches also.
Am I on the right track anyone with Swedish knowledge out there?
I am only going to connect to one live feed as the fitting is one bulb.

Posted by: Hallander 14.Jan.2016, 10:17 AM

Yes, it sounds as if its for 2 bulb fittings.

I recall an earlier thread where I got it wrong, about wall mounted double switches. I was wrong about a technical detail, but the point accepted was that they were often for ( more in the past) chandalier type fittings where you might want only half the lights on. (Though I still dont get why the commoner double switches have one switch up for on, the other down for on. But then I dont get how Swedes are more relaxed about whether for light switches its down for on or up for on anyway.)

ps Hisingen missed out the small plugs and sockets used on some light fittings, so that you can dismount them from the wall and ceiling. Not very common now but still used and available.

Posted by: Hisingen 14.Jan.2016, 11:41 AM

Sorry H. No - I didn't really miss them out, but since the thread started about the normal power plug and socket I simply continued along those lines. Yes, as the previous poster commented you can get some with with three pins and an arrow pointing to 'the right connections', and there are also later versions having an earth pin, too. Others can have a flat on one side to prevent incorrect insertion into the socket. There seems no end to their imagination on that score. I did find, however, that having a socket and hook in a celing outlet was far better than the one time ceiling rose that was prevalent in the UK, where you had your lamp hanging on the cables from the rose, which you had to open to install them anyway. Not a very safe situation when working on a ladder in the middle of a room. I don't know if there has been any change on that system in latter years. My experience on that score was some 40 years ago now.

I do do agree with you regarding the up/down for on. In all the houses I have had, I have systematically gone round and set all my switches to be down for on. When I had an electrican in to carry out a special installation, I found that on leaving, he had reversed my switches at the point of the installation. Grrr. But it was in next to no time that I had them back as I wished to have them. Funny thing is that my Swedish wife finds no problem with the UK style, and even goes as far as to say it seems much more logical. It does make you wonder at times, doesn't it.

Posted by: Hisingen 19.Feb.2016, 02:54 PM

Magic mushrooms, anyone ??

Posted by: intrepidfox 8.Dec.2018, 03:12 PM

QUOTE (AshMae @ 8.Dec.2018, 02:27 PM) *
Seems to be some confusion about the Swedish power system. Sweden uses the European standards, has power sockets type C and type F (grounded) and uses 230v @ 50hz. As for getting a power plug check if you need one first using https://world-power-plugs.com/sweden handy little tool



A good link. Thanks

Posted by: MisterDuck 10.Dec.2018, 09:06 AM

Great thread! Post #8 is truly hilarious. Why would some dispense advice on something they so clearly know nothing about?

Posted by: skogsbo 10.Dec.2018, 11:51 AM

QUOTE (MisterDuck @ 10.Dec.2018, 08:06 AM) *
Great thread! Post #8 is truly hilarious. Why would some dispense advice on something they so clearly know nothing about?

Which bit do you disagree with in it?

Posted by: Uncle Fred 10.Dec.2018, 05:23 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 10.Dec.2018, 11:51 AM) *
Which bit do you disagree with in it?

I am afraid I have to agree with MisterDuck. The post is totally wrong and misleading.
To start with the standard UK voltage is 240v AC @ 50 hertz. The matter of earthing has nothing to do with a man standing on a chair and touching a computer.
The rule for earthing is very simple and has nothing to do with power rating. An appliance must be earthed if it is not insulated eg totally enclosed with no metal exposure.

So the like of white goods, irons, PCs and metal lamp fittings etc must be earthed. Hair dryers, Printers and TVs don't need to be earthed. UK standard plug has 3 pins but the earth pin is only connected when necessary. It is also an important safety feature, it opens the gates so the other 2 pins can enter.
The matter using a 4 way UK adapter in Sweden is also wrong, if it has an earthed Swedish plug on it and plugged into an earthed socket. Earth and non earthed rooms is also nonsense, if you have an appliance ih the living room which must have an earth, then there is no reason why you cant use an extension from another room.
Does a vacuum cleaner come to mind at this point, BTW most moden vacuums are not earthed.

The Swedish electrical system is outdated and the majority of properties would be condemned in the UK. Most properties do not have earth trips.

Sockets over sinks in kitchen and bathroom NO. Unsecured plastic covers over connection points NO. socket holes without gate, Sinks and baths NOT earthed. Wall light switches in a bathroom NO. I can go on and on.

This whole thread has various errors in it. In one post there is talk of polarity, this is not an issue in most cases because the current is AC which mean you can put a plug in either way.

Going back to the OP, it is normal for a blue flash to occur when a contact is made or broken. In this case I would say it's not the adaptor but the socket.

If anyone has ever fitted any Swedish sockets or switches I am sure they would also agree that they would be condemned in the UK.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 10.Dec.2018, 08:39 PM

The OP of the post in question is/was a well known...(dare I say troll???) of the old days and made a habit of posting "controversy" with tongue in cheek!!!

This place was fun then...

Posted by: skogsbo 10.Dec.2018, 10:30 PM

In some respects the uk is ahead, but other ways it's needless change with it's umpteenth new edition. At least here lights have their own plugs now and you don't get so many lights here that are bulb live instead of switch. Future eu changes might bugger that though.

On the earthing, there is a logic here that if you have old and new wiring in a room, it should all be earthed, or not. So it's the same. I'd suggest it's better just to aim for gold standard, rather than lower the average.

I was just curious which bits mister duck disagreed with.

Posted by: MisterDuck 11.Dec.2018, 06:17 AM

Uncle Fred has it covered. The statements about the alleged dangers of earthed sockets being extended into non-earthed rooms are scaremongering nonsense. It's touching a live connection which is the danger, not the earth. If you're going to grab a live electrical connection while holding onto an earth point you're going to experience some minor inconvenience to your day, regardless of which room you're in! Extend with an extension lead or don't - makes no difference- the problem comes from you deciding to electrocute yourself!

And plugging a low energy monitor into an earthed outlet and it becoming no longer low energy... ok!

Posted by: Uncle Fred 11.Dec.2018, 10:07 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 10.Dec.2018, 10:30 PM) *
bulb live instead of switch.

I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Posted by: skogsbo 11.Dec.2018, 11:42 AM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 11.Dec.2018, 09:07 AM) *
I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

Any new lamps and light connections in sweden should have a different plug to a normal socket. It has 3 pins and can only go in one way. So the live is guaranteed to go to the switch, then onto the bulb.

If you have a lamp on a plug that can rotate 180 degrees, live can be either, so when you change the bulb the bit inner most could be live. You won't know though, unless you touch it, as the circuit hasn't been completed by the switch on the neutral returning to the plug.

Plenty house in many countries also have incorrectly wired permanent lights, where the live runs to the bulb holder, then the switch. Never presume it's safe. Test.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 11.Dec.2018, 12:44 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 11.Dec.2018, 11:42 AM) *
Any new lamps and light connections in sweden should have a different plug to a normal socket. It has 3 pins and can only go in one way. So the live is guaranteed to go to the switch, then onto the bulb.

If you have a lamp on a plug that can rotate 180 degrees, live can be either, so when you change the bulb the bit inner most could be live. You won't know though, unless you touch it, as the circuit hasn't been completed by the switch on the neutral returning to the plug.

Plenty house in many countries also have incorrectly wired permanent lights, where the live runs to the bulb holder, then the switch. Never presume it's safe. Test.

Polarity is irrelevant with AC. Many ceiling lamps come with 2 pins, meaning you can put the plug in either way. It's only metal lamp fitting that have 3 pins.

Posted by: skogsbo 11.Dec.2018, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 11.Dec.2018, 11:44 AM) *
Polarity is irrelevant with AC. Many ceiling lamps come with 2 pins, meaning you can put the plug in either way. It's only metal lamp fitting that have 3 pins.

. From an electrical functionality viewpoint of a standard incandescent bulb, it doesn't matter which way the current flows -- but it might matter for led or cfl bulbs (cfl = compact fluorescent). However, from a SAFETY perspective, the polarity does matter.

Yes you can plug in either way. But what you don't want is it to be permanently live, the switch should control the live, not neutral. That's why new light fittings only go in one way.

Each to their own of course.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 11.Dec.2018, 04:44 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 11.Dec.2018, 03:00 PM) *
. From an electrical functionality viewpoint of a standard incandescent bulb, it doesn't matter which way the current flows -- but it might matter for led or cfl bulbs (cfl = compact fluorescent). However, from a SAFETY perspective, the polarity does matter.

Yes you can plug in either way. But what you don't want is it to be permanently live, the switch should control the live, not neutral. That's why new light fittings only go in one way.

Each to their own of course.

220v LEDs are DC and need a rectifier to convert from AC, this is built into the lamp. For example a GU10 or a MR 16 can be fitted in 2 ways. To add to that UK bulbs can go in anyway. So polarity is irrelevant. You are however right that the live should be switched.

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