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Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 17.Feb.2010, 10:23 AM

During the days leading up to the Dallas assassination, I have long contended that the National Reconnaissance Office faked the shooting down of Captain Joe Glenn Hyde's U-2 and his death at Cuba's expense in order to help trigger an invasion of the island - what was botched by the shooting of Texas Governor John Connallly in the process.

For more on my claims, see these links:

http://codshit.com.blogspot.com/2004/09/secretshttp://codshit.com.blogspot.com/2004/09/secrets-ofhttp://codshit.com.blogspot.com/2004/09/secrets-ofhttp://codshit.com.blogspot.com/2007/08/quintessential-false-flag-operation.html

Now that Joe Hyde Jr.'s wife, Marianne Gerdes Hyde, has finally died, their son, Joe Hyde, III has taken the greatest exception to my claims, denying them completely, and calling me all kinds of names - what he added to my latest article on codshit.com about Obama's intelligence problems.

Joe III was obviously incensed by my calling Porter Goss, the CIA agent monitoring the Florida straits when the U-2 crashed, a political hack, and my claiming his father was apparently not killed. He also felt relieved that his mother had died in Houston on December 12, 2009 so that he could now make a fuss about it without upsetting his parents.

The only thing that he overlooked was the obit about her death, and in it her re-marriage to a mysterious Mr. Smith. He must be Joe Hyde, Jr. with a new identity - what no one wants to talk about. For more about the Smiths, see her homepage - Marianne Geddes Smith - as it has now become unavailable on google after I showed considerable interest in it with the editor of codshit.com, Edward Chanter.

If Joe Hyde, III still doesn't like it, he can always sue me! cool.gif

Surprise, now the links to my stories don't even work, but they can be found in the archives of codshit.com on those dates. And the West is a free society! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 17.Feb.2010, 12:09 PM

Now the Marianne Geddes Smith - Homepage has been taken down.

So much for full disclosure about what really happened to her husband, Captain Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr., during the Florida straits fiasco - what was prepared to trigger blaming Castro for the JFK assassination, and an invasion to end his Cuban Revolution.

He's apparently one of the Mr. Smiths walking around Houston, but I don't have the time or inclination to find out exactly which one.

The lesson to be learned here is not to open your mouth about something covert and most troublesome when you have nothing more to gain than just letting off steam. laugh.gif

Posted by: Craptastical 17.Feb.2010, 12:19 PM

It's pretty common for family members to take down home pages of the deceased. The removal of the homepage doesn't raise any suspicions for me at all.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 17.Feb.2010, 12:40 PM

It sure does raise suspicions with me as it only contained her obituary, and it was taken down within an hour of my making a fuss about it.

But its departure really changes nothing since Mrs. Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr. remarried a guy named Smith -apparently her first husband - who, along with Joe Hyde III, is most unwilling to say anything more about it.

The Hydes, in sum, did relocate in Texas after his alleged death in the U-2 crash on November 20, 1963, and took up an identity of being Smiths.

Makes the Pentagon look like a criminal conspiracy, requiring new identities. laugh.gif

Posted by: kmbr 17.Feb.2010, 02:46 PM

Funny. Who owns and benefits from the American Military Industrial Complex? Oh yeah, the same people that keep the Europeans serfs. European Banking Cartels. It's a great concept, get the Americans to pay for your defense and then pretend to be above it all.

Without the American military doing Euro banker bidding, the welfare state would have collapsed decades ago.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 18.Feb.2010, 08:00 AM

For posters who have any interest in the CIA-led conspiracy assassination of JFK, here are the links again to my articles about Captain Joe Hyde, Jr.'s, Porter Goss's and others involvement in it:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2004/09/secrets-of-Florida-straits.html

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2007/08/quintessential-false-flag-operation.html

Hope they work this time, but if not, look for them in the codshit.com archves for those dates.

Notice that the obituary on his wife, Marianne Gerdes Smith has reappeared, and can be found at this link:

http://memorialwebsites.legacy.com/mariannegerdes/Subpage.aspex?mod=1

Notice particularly the scant mention of her second marriage to someone called Smith apparently aka Captain Joe Hyde, Jr. Certainly isn't very appreciative of all his interest in her activities. Will check it out when I next visit Houston, especially who Mr. Smith is, and his involvement in the Holy Spirit Episcopal Church at 12535 Perthshire Road, Houston - the operational home of the National Reconnaisance Office.

P. s. As expected, there is again internet censorship regarding the articles, but you can find them I suspect if you just type in the URLs on your computer. No, that doesn't even work, but look for the Marianne Gerdes Smith - Homepage on google.com - it might still be there if you try. And the West complains about China! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 18.Feb.2010, 10:02 AM

Did find out that Mrs. Hyde's second husband is called Horace Smith - sounds exactly like a stand-in for her allegedly deceased first husand, Captain Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr., from how they apparently met until how they ended up when she died from cancer last December.

Got me looking at my file of Captain Hyde's alleged death on November 20, 1963 - mostly stories about him from the LaGrange (Ga.) Daily News.

The oddest one is the alleged deceased receiving the Distinquished Flying Cross at Greenville AFB in early May 1964. It was given for "heroism while participating in aerial flights on Jan 19." This was early in 1963, not the most dangerous flight he was allegedly killed on. Then he was given his Fifth Oak Leaf Cluster for flights during 1963 which made no mention of the one he, it seems, made which allegedly killed.

The best part of the story is the photograph of Mrs. Hyde, holding little Joe III, and Mr. and Mrs. Joe Hyde, Sr., standing beside them, all smiling as if it were the greatest moment of their life - celebrating events which had nothing to do with the U-2 pilot's alleged death on a most dangerous mission over Cuba.

The whole thing seems to be a serious fraud. The reason why seems obvious. It's like the November 20th flight, and the crash now never happened.

Posted by: Truth2Power 18.Feb.2010, 03:45 PM

Trowbridge
Have you Kennedy conspiracy nuts no decency? Shame on you, seriously, for even suggesting that Joe Glenn Hyde Jr is alive, 'living under an assumed name.' How cruel of you, since his family has lived all these years with the terrible pain of his loss. His wife was five months pregnant when he was killed, and his son, Joe Glenn Hyde, III, grew up never meeting his father. Glenn Hyde was a real HERO, selflessly giving his life to protect your freedom to slander his good name and the name of his son, who also served his country as a B-52 pilot in the current middle east conflict. The citations Capt Hyde Jr received were correct and proper for his service. This brave and wonderful family deserve better than you and the malicious lies your kind continue to perpetrate, especially in the name of the so-called Kennedy conspiracy. I would normally wish for God to have mercy on you, but in this instance...you have crossed a line that prevents me from interceding for your eternal soul. May you burn in hell for what you wrote.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 18.Feb.2010, 05:27 PM

You have now come on here to spread your raving lunacy about me - what you apparently did on codshit.com, and I answered there and have been answering here.

For years, I have written but without any answers that the downing of Captain Joe Hyde, Jr.'s U-2 on November 20, 1963 over Cuba was the resumption of the Cuban Missile Crisis after a 13-month hiatus because of the Kennedys' growing opposition to the anti-Castro rebels - what was attriculated in The Dallas Morning News on October 20th by Robert Baskin who added that Richard Nixon and Dallas Representative Bruce Alger had been receiving threatening postcards from someone who sounded like Lee Harvey Oswald.

JFK was then in a countdown to change his ways or be assassinated - a test he failed just before he left for Texas by failing to heed Richard Helms' and Herschel Peak's warnings that Castro was on the move in the Carribean area, having just taken one step back in the Cuban Missile Crisis in order to take two steps forward now, and if action was not immediately taken in response, there would be Hell to pay.

Anyone who reads The LaGrange Daily News, starting on November 21th, can see that a great deception operation was afoot to make it look like Castro had shot it down, and the US Navy and Coast were rushing to see what happened to the plane and to the Captain. When it was learned, though, that Governor Connally had been wounded in the assassination of the President, deliberately or accidentally, and he promised to get those who had apparently double-crossed him, the whole plot had to be scrubbed.

The plane which was so clearly seen on the bottom of the Florida Straits soon was reduced in just a few days to just a bit of floating debris, and the pilot who was expected to be found, at worst dead, was never seen again.

What really happened to him is still a mystery to me - whether he was never in the plane, escaped the crash alive or died immediately, etc. - but I shall continue my research until it is answered, especially given the complete deceptions that the Pentagon has engaged in throughout, especially after he allegedly died, as I have recounted earlier. In any case, the incident was an integral part of the conspiracy which assassinated the President.

All I can add is that I am glad that you have not interceded with the powers-that-be about my destiny as I would only want to be as far removed from you as possible for all eternity.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 19.Feb.2010, 12:17 PM

For posters who don't believe my claims about the Hyde U-2 flight ant its connection to the JFK assassination, I suggest that they consult this link prepared by Robert E. Baskin News Staff Writer Ira David Wood III on its eve:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14242384/JFK-Chronolgy

For those not willing to take the trouble, I quote this in particular:

"10:32 AM, Nov. 21,1963 - A high flying U-2 spy plane, piloted by Captain Joe G. Hyde Jr. dsappears from radar and crashes into the Gulf of Mexico. The U.S. Navy locates the wreckage in about 100 feet of water and discovers that both the pilot and the ejector seat are gone."

Why the chronology was not completed, and we see no more about what happened to the pilot and spy plane is because the conspiracy did not work out in Dallas as planned.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 20.Feb.2010, 08:42 AM

While I would not normally be pursuing this dispute so vigorously, I am doing so because my integrity has been most belatedly attacked, and I have learned more about the apparent set up of Cuba for an invasion of the island after the JFK assassination had triggered it.

What has most intrigued me is what Joe Glenn Hyde, III has written about his allegedly deceased father.
In this article he has made the following claims which are most deceiving:

1. Implying that his father had received his Distinguished Flying Cross, and a Fifth Oak Leaf Cluster of the Air Medal well before his alleged death when he received them well afterwards at Greenfield AFB in May 1964 - what was apparently done so as to reward him for something which was not acknowledged, his apparent sacrifice in the set up of the President for assassination.

2. His stating that his father broke radio silence to report the failure of the U-2's autopilot - what indicated that he could also report if anything surprising happened during the flight, especially coming from the Cubans, and was mentioned to explain why the plane could not fly if he ejected deliberately.

3. His claiming that the plane only had a tolerance of 5 mph in airspeed or else it would stall or breakup.

4. His stating that it only required the search and rescue people eight minutes to find where the plane had crashed though it had disappeared from radar.

Just more to make me think that it was a covert, false mission to make it look like Castro had resumed the missile crisis.

For the most link:

http://www.hydeinteractive.com/project/sky-still-burns-your-memory

Now the page has apparently gone missing too! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 20.Feb.2010, 09:22 AM

bla bla bla,

the relevance to living in sweden is ???????????????????????

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 20.Feb.2010, 09:30 AM

Relevance to Sweden?

If the set up Cuba and the USSR as the culprits of the President's assassination had been successful, and an invasion of the island had occurred, there would have been a world war which would have obliterated Sweden.

It was a preview of what would happen to Sweden more directly when Olof Palme's assassination became the trigger in 1986, but the Swedes just refuse to think about what the looneys in Washington engage in on occasion, and are capable of when one least expects it. rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 20.Feb.2010, 12:21 PM

The article about Captain Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr. can be found on the link earlier supplied under the title about the man who gave his life for his country.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 8.Sep.2010, 10:53 AM

This is obviously the thread you are talking about.

I continue to believe that Joe Hyde Jr.'s U-2 apparently being shot down by the Cubans two days before the Dallas assassination was an integral part of it which had to be forgotten about when Connally was surprisingly assassinated too.

I think that Joe Hyde Jr. survived, and was given a new identity, apparently re-marrying his wife.

And you are certainly right, as this thread shows, about Joe Hyde III being what you say. What I found most intriguing were all the detailed stories he had about his "deceased" father when he wasn't even born before he allegedly died.

You might find this link helpful:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2004/02/how-and-why-al-haig-torpedoed-richard.html

Feel free to continue the discussion on this thread.

Posted by: LondonJames 8.Sep.2010, 11:22 AM

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Posted by: The Nine 8.Sep.2010, 11:37 AM

NURSE!!!!

Posted by: Rick Methven 8.Sep.2010, 11:56 AM

QUOTE (The Nine @ 8.Sep.2010, 12:37 PM) *
NURSE!!!!

Yes doctor! is this what you need

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 8.Sep.2010, 12:08 PM

I restarted this thread at the request of a member who sent me a PM.

Are you trolls just imaging where you are headed!

Posted by: Vetinari 8.Sep.2010, 01:36 PM

If some conspiracy nut was making claims about my fathers death and other claims about my mothers second marriage then yes, I would also remove websites so the nut would stay away. nothing suspicious about taking down the website.

The wife of a dead pilot remarries to a 'nobody' which there are little information on and start a new life as a common middle class American. Not anything suspicious about any lack of information about the husband.

Your original post creates an argument based on a desire to find a conspiracy.

Posted by: Rick Methven 8.Sep.2010, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (Vetinari @ 8.Sep.2010, 02:36 PM) *
Your original post creates an argument based on a desire to find a conspiracy.

Seems to be a pattern with THF wink.gif

I wonder if TL could be sued for printing these claims of his?

Posted by: Vetinari 8.Sep.2010, 03:16 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 8.Sep.2010, 02:00 PM) *
Seems to be a pattern with THF wink.gif

I wonder if TL could be sued for printing these claims of his?


I hope not, I need the entertainment he provides.

And to Trow: We know where this is headed. It will be just another thread where your phantom connections are challenged by logic and you fail to prove anything of what you have previously claimed. you will instead resort to insults ('dipstick' is your apparent favorite) and claiming that no one else can think or reason.

In other words: The exact same thing that happened in the haarp laser thread, the OMG mossad killed Kelly thread, and the Williams was murdered by the husband of a one of the russian spy ring members thread.

Posted by: Rick Methven 8.Sep.2010, 04:05 PM

QUOTE (Vetinari @ 8.Sep.2010, 04:16 PM) *
I hope not, I need the entertainment he provides.

And to Trow: We know where this is headed. It will be just another thread where your phantom connections are challenged by logic and you fail to prove anything of what you have previously claimed. you will instead resort to insults ('dipstick' is your apparent favorite) and claiming that no one else can think or reason.

In other words: The exact same thing that happened in the haarp laser thread, the OMG mossad killed Kelly thread, and the Williams was murdered by the husband of a one of the russian spy ring members thread.

You missed out quite a few in your list tongue.gif

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=9c8fb420fa5e287d91bfd8dafd33cf6e&search_in=topics&result_type=topics

Posted by: The Nine 8.Sep.2010, 04:12 PM

QUOTE (Vetinari @ 8.Sep.2010, 01:36 PM) *
If some conspiracy nut was making claims about my fathers death and other claims about my mothers second marriage then yes, I would also remove websites so the nut would stay away. nothing suspicious about taking down the website.

The wife of a dead pilot remarries to a 'nobody' which there are little information on and start a new life as a common middle class American. Not anything suspicious about any lack of information about the husband.

Your original post creates an argument based on a desire to find a conspiracy.


Since his first post on the Gareth Williams thread THF has been going on about it all being linked to the Russian spy scandal. That thread is now well over a hundred posts long and despite numerous requests for him to provide even the slightest hint of corroboration, he has chicaned around it every time. Everyone knows it is absolute fantasy. Now once again THF is making completely unfounded accusations about some U.S pilot been party to faking his own death. Not only that, but his wife then re-marrying him under an assumed name. It seems that everyone else can see why this guys son might be seriously upset and pissed off about someone suggesting that. As with the Comedy spy ring and Gareth Williams, everyone with even half a grasp of reality can see it's utter fantasy with no foundation. Same here. Only now it is insulting as well as untrue.

THF, if this guy didn't die in the plane crash and then re-married his wife under a new name, don't you think their circle of friends and family might have been aware of it? Or are you saying that once Hyde Jr 'died' his widow also cut off all contact with her parents, friends, family (the people she would turn to in her grief) just to help the military maintain the charade? You also miss the glaring fact that; If downing this U-2 was simply a ruse to facilitate an invasion of Cuba, the actual act of shooting down a U.S plane could have provided the same false premise. Had Hyde Jr ejected and been recovered it wouldn't really have lessened the impact of the event. Let's face facts, if someone shoots down a plane they don't expect those on board to survive surely? Had Hyde Jr miraculously ejected in time and been rescued, it wouldn't lessen the public anger towards those supposedly responsible. For all intents and purposes someone had shot down a U.S plane with no thought for the guy flying the thing. If he had escaped the plane and survived it would be no thanks to those who took it down right?

In a nutshell, if the U.S had brought down their own plane in order to make it look like someone else did it, they still could have appeared to save the pilot and maintained the false premise of invasion.

What you are suggesting is that no -one thought of this and instead, relied on the silence and colusion of literally hundreds of people to maintain this charade life (of one man) for the next 40 years.

I put it to you THF, that it would have been simpler and cheaper to have declared him missing for a few days (build up the case for invasion) and then discovered him cold hungry and a national hero, floating in a life raft, or hanging from a tree in his parachute. God Damn Ruskies nearly killed our boy!! etc. And then no need to rely on dozens of un vetted civilians to keep quiet and play the game for the next 40 years.

That isn't anything to do with working in intelligence THF. It is simply about being intelligent

Posted by: Vetinari 8.Sep.2010, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 8.Sep.2010, 03:05 PM) *
You missed out quite a few in your list tongue.gif

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?act=Search&nav=au&CODE=show&searchid=9c8fb420fa5e287d91bfd8dafd33cf6e&search_in=topics&result_type=topics


I havent been around that long... The threads I mentioned are the ones I read and posted in...

Posted by: The Nine 8.Sep.2010, 04:19 PM

QUOTE (Vetinari @ 8.Sep.2010, 04:14 PM) *
I havent been around that long... The threads I mentioned are the ones I read and posted in...


I Think the one entitled Can Anyone Tell Me How to Log Out? has to be my favourite laugh.gif

Posted by: Rick Methven 8.Sep.2010, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (Vetinari @ 8.Sep.2010, 05:14 PM) *
I havent been around that long... The threads I mentioned are the ones I read and posted in...

He has resurrected this thread that is 7 months old. I hope he doesn't resurrect all the rest on the basis of new evidence to support his claims found of course in an article on codshit.com written by the illustrious Trowbridge H Ford unsure.gif

Posted by: Vetinari 8.Sep.2010, 04:29 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 8.Sep.2010, 03:22 PM) *
He has resurrected this thread that is 7 months old. I hope he doesn't resurrect all the rest on the basis of new evidence to support his claims found of course in an article on codshit.com written by the illustrious Trowbridge H Ford unsure.gif


I still like my Trowspiracies

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 8.Sep.2010, 08:20 PM

I wish I could say as much in a complimentary manner about you scum bags. laugh.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 8.Sep.2010, 08:38 PM

Trow can you provide proof of your statement calling people "scum bags" ? That they are scum bags?

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 8.Sep.2010, 08:52 PM

Yeah, poor Jimmy, posters calling for nurses, and posting photographs of a straight jacket to deal with my alleged mental problems when I have none, never having seen a psychiatrist or psychologist about anything, taken any kind of medication for any such problems, etc.

Nor have the police, doctors or community workers volunteered that there is any reason for me to be considered a social risk.

You can object to my claims all you want but to attack me personally about my alleged mental condition is the pits.

In fact, the more I think about about them, they are fcuking vermin.

Posted by: Rick Methven 8.Sep.2010, 08:57 PM

QUOTE (Jimmy @ 8.Sep.2010, 09:38 PM) *
Trow can you provide proof of your statement calling people "scum bags" ? That they are scum bags?

I'm sure that Trow can find the proof in one of his articles in codshit.com unsure.gif

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 8.Sep.2010, 09:04 PM

Just another lie from dickhead ricky.

I would never write anything about vermin like him in my articles wherever they appear.

Posted by: The Nine 8.Sep.2010, 09:28 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 8.Sep.2010, 09:04 PM) *
Just another lie from dickhead ricky.

I would never write anything about vermin like him in my articles wherever they appear.



Prove us wrong. ??

Posted by: Vetinari 8.Sep.2010, 09:37 PM

Poor Trow, so horribly treated.

How about not calling others vermin, animals, dipsticks etc?

And how about discussing the topics by showing some proof or admit that you post nothing by guesses and accept that people will disagree with you. We probably wouldn't joke about you if you could back anything up.

Posted by: The Nine 9.Sep.2010, 11:16 AM

QUOTE (Vetinari @ 8.Sep.2010, 09:37 PM) *
Poor Trow, so horribly treated.

How about not calling others vermin, animals, dipsticks etc?

And how about discussing the topics by showing some proof or admit that you post nothing by guesses and accept that people will disagree with you. We probably wouldn't joke about you if you could back anything up.


Aint that the truth Vet'.

You see, any rational minded human being would consider something that THF clearly never does. Let us take this current thread as an example. If I had posted a statement in which I asscerted that a downed U.S spy plane pilot had, not only resurfaced, but actually resumed his old life with his wife and friends, but under an assumed name, I think I would expect there to be some doubters.
It would not come as a surprise to me if I was asked to explain some of the nuances of this situation in order that it might be better believed. I think I would cosnider that, despite my own belief in the story, it is a quite unusual set of cirrcumstances and therefore others might need a little more convincing.

THF never considers that. Clearly a man being shot down by his own secret service in order to facilitate the invasion of another country, before resuming his old life under an assumed name, and not a single person he knows gives the game away, this is clearly just every day normal stuff to THF.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 9.Sep.2010, 12:13 PM

I clearly thought that there would be doubters to my claims when I posted them on this link:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2004/09/secrets-of-florida-straits.html

And there were, particularly Joe Hyde III - five years after they had appeared, and just after his mother had conveniently died.

But the postive responses were more in evidence, leaving a condition on this link where the claims still hold the day:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8899

Do you ever do any research of your own or do you just while away your hours, watching tv?

Posted by: The Nine 9.Sep.2010, 01:11 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 9.Sep.2010, 12:13 PM) *
I clearly thought that there would be doubters to my claims when I posted them on this link:

http://codshit.blogspot.com/2004/09/secrets-of-florida-straits.html

And there were, particularly Joe Hyde III - five years after they had appeared, and just after his mother had conveniently died.

But the postive responses were more in evidence, leaving a condition on this link where the claims still hold the day:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=8899

Do you ever do any research of your own or do you just while away your hours, watching tv?


QUOTE
I clearly thought that there would be doubters to my claims when I posted them on this link:


And sadly you do the same as always. Post some accusational diatribe with absolutely no eveidence for your claims.
You state that this guys father was still alive after his supposed death in this crash. Your sole 'evidence' for this that Hydes widow married again to a man called Smith. Its ludicrous beyond words. You are suggesting that Smith was actually Hyde. If that was the case you are expecting us to believe that in all the years after his supposed death, not one person from his entire life ever recognized him?

Let me just Impress this on you Trow. You are saying that for the rest of his life, Hyde never stepped from a cab or came out of a diner and some old school or college buddy didnt think 'Hell! Isn't that Jo Glenn Hyde?'


As for you second link I can read quite alot of guys having a pretty constructive discussion. The two sides seem to be that U2s were quite possibly more mechanically suspect that the USAF might wish people to think, and that there was so little press coverage of Hyde's death. I cannot see anyone suggesting he came back from the dead as a Mr Smith and picked up again with his wife and child. I can see some posts from someone I suspect is you and several other posters asking where your information is from? No change there then blink.gif

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 9.Sep.2010, 01:56 PM

You are so inaccurate, lazy, and unquestioning of standard disinformation that it is simply pathetic.

I quoted from five or six books, and from five of six articles in the newspapers, especially The LaGrange Daily News, and you say that it is all just my unsubstanitate guesses.

Mrs. Hyde's new husband is called Horace White, not Smith. And have you ever heard of people moving to new places, like from Georgia and Alabama to Texas, and getting face jobs in the process? It's how a person really gets a new identity.

And if my claims aren't true, why would Joe III wait until his mother, who had written a book about all the U-2 heroes, especially her husband, was dead before complaining about my work, if, in fact, he were dead - what would corroborate her claims unless he were possibly still alive and it could be proven. This way, it all just passes unchallenged.

And the big debates in the other link concerned whether the 'downing' of the plane was part of the JFK assassination, and why wasn't Joe Jr.'s body ever found.

Posted by: Vetinari 9.Sep.2010, 03:37 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 9.Sep.2010, 11:13 AM) *
Do you ever do any research of your own or do you just while away your hours, watching tv?


Says the guy who continuously misquotes his own sources.

For example: When you said Mr Glees said the London flat was a definite safe house, and the linked article quoted Glees as saying he guessed it could be a safehouse.

You the defended yourself by saying the newspaper made an error when quoting Glees.

So what proof do you really have that 'Mr Smith' was really the shot-down Hyde?

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 9.Sep.2010, 03:48 PM

The fact that Joe Hyde, III did not sue me after I wrote all those articles, claiming that his father was still alive, and living with his mother as Mr. and Mrs. Horace White.

If this had not been the case, he would have gone to any length to get me, given the outrage he expressed on codshit.com and here after his mother had died.

At this point a libel action cannot be mounted, as far as I know.

Posted by: The Nine 9.Sep.2010, 03:59 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 9.Sep.2010, 01:56 PM) *
You are so inaccurate, lazy, and unquestioning of standard disinformation that it is simply pathetic.

I quoted from five or six books, and from five of six articles in the newspapers, especially The LaGrange Daily News, and you say that it is all just my unsubstanitate guesses.

Mrs. Hyde's new husband is called Horace White, not Smith. And have you ever heard of people moving to new places, like from Georgia and Alabama to Texas, and getting face jobs in the process? It's how a person really gets a new identity.

And if my claims aren't true, why would Joe III wait until his mother, who had written a book about all the U-2 heroes, especially her husband, was dead before complaining about my work, if, in fact, he were dead - what would corroborate her claims unless he were possibly still alive and it could be proven. This way, it all just passes unchallenged.

And the big debates in the other link concerned whether the 'downing' of the plane was part of the JFK assassination, and why wasn't Joe Jr.'s body ever found.


QUOTE
You are so inaccurate, lazy, and unquestioning of standard disinformation that it is simply pathetic.
I quoted from five or six books, and from five of six articles in the newspapers, especially The LaGrange Daily News, and you say that it is all just my unsubstanitate guesses.


I have been through that article four fucking times. Being that you refuse to identify who you are and are not posting on there as THF, what is this? Just more of your purile childish games? Blah Blah, you are so innacurate!!! How about you just point out your part of the thread and maybe then Ill see it all rather than playing f***** guessing games and trying to identify you buy the style of writing. Infact FUCK YOU. You are a sick minded prick. Im out a here for good.

Posted by: Vetinari 9.Sep.2010, 04:07 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 9.Sep.2010, 12:56 PM) *
You are so inaccurate, lazy, and unquestioning of standard disinformation that it is simply pathetic.


If we are so unquestioning, why are our posts filled with questions after questions? I think Nine has asked the same question three times now... And I just bolded my questions in this post too so you can easily find them.

QUOTE
Mrs. Hyde's new husband is called Horace White, not Smith. And have you ever heard of people moving to new places, like from Georgia and Alabama to Texas, and getting face jobs in the process? It's how a person really gets a new identity.


Backtracking and changing your narrative there. Let me quote you directly from this thread (bolding and italics by me):

Post #1: "The only thing that he overlooked was the obit about her death, and in it her re-marriage to a mysterious Mr. Smith. He must be Joe Hyde, Jr. with a new identity - what no one wants to talk about. For more about the Smiths, see her homepage - Marianne Geddes Smith..."

Post #2: "Now the Marianne Geddes Smith - Homepage has been taken down.

So much for full disclosure about what really happened to her husband, Captain Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr., during the Florida straits fiasco - what was prepared to trigger blaming Castro for the JFK assassination, and an invasion to end his Cuban Revolution.

He's apparently one of the Mr. Smiths walking around Houston, but I don't have the time or inclination to find out exactly which one."

Post #4: "But its departure really changes nothing since Mrs. Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr. remarried a guy named Smith -apparently her first husband - who, along with Joe Hyde III, is most unwilling to say anything more about it.

The Hydes, in sum, did relocate in Texas after his alleged death in the U-2 crash on November 20, 1963, and took up an identity of being Smiths. "

Post #6: "Notice that the obituary on his wife, Marianne Gerdes Smith has reappeared, and can be found at this link:..."

#6 again: "Notice particularly the scant mention of her second marriage to someone called Smith apparently aka Captain Joe Hyde, Jr."

Post #7: "Did find out that Mrs. Hyde's second husband is called Horace Smith - sounds exactly like a stand-in for her allegedly deceased first husand, Captain Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr., from how they apparently met until how they ended up when she died from cancer last December."

So you continously called them Smith, yet now claim its White? I checked again and nowhere do you correct yourself saying the real name is White. Should have been apparent to you when checking the mother's website. Can you explain this? I expect you to apologize to the Nine for insinuating that he is lying.

The italized sections shows the claims you make without any proof or even circumstantial evidence. Your entire premise is that the widow marries someone named Smith so that has to be her former husband. Do you have any actual proof (documents) for this? Pictures?


QUOTE
And if my claims aren't true, why would Joe III wait until his mother, who had written a book about all the U-2 heroes, especially her husband, was dead before complaining about my work, if, in fact, he were dead - what would corroborate her claims unless he were possibly still alive and it could be proven. This way, it all just passes unchallenged.


How about not wanting to bring up old sad memories for his old mother? If someone was slandering my father I would shield my old mother from it too, wouldn't you?. On the other hand, if the father really survived, there was nothing to shield the mother from is there?

Oh wait, lets look what you yourself wrote in post # 1: "He also felt relieved that his mother had died in Houston on December 12, 2009 so that he could now make a fuss about it without upsetting his parents.". (my bolding)

Wow, imagine that. So you ignore your own 'answers' so you can keep asking 'questions', apparently until you have the answers you wanted from the start.

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And the big debates in the other link concerned whether the 'downing' of the plane was part of the JFK assassination, and why wasn't Joe Jr.'s body ever found.


You are not serious are you? A plane shot down in the ocean (crashing in your narrative) and they do not find the pilot? Yes, thats very suspicious. Lets see what you yourself said about it, shall we? In post #10 you quoted an article, I here re-quote what you quoted: ""10:32 AM, Nov. 21,1963 - A high flying U-2 spy plane, piloted by Captain Joe G. Hyde Jr. dsappears from radar and crashes into the Gulf of Mexico. The U.S. Navy locates the wreckage in about 100 feet of water and discovers that both the pilot and the ejector seat are gone.""

The link you provided was http://www.scribd.com/doc/14242384/JFK-Chronolgy

Yes a pilot who ejected himself over open water was not found. Sorry, still not very suspicious. especially since we lose entire boats at sea these days, and we are miles ahead in technology in comparison.

Can you reply without insults this time?

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 9.Sep.2010, 04:43 PM

Yes, I will reply without insults.

There was some confusion about Mrs. Marianne Gerdes Hyde's second husband's name, as my first post indicated since what I claimed was taken down before I took notes about it. While I referred to her as Mrs. Smith, I stated ultimately that she was really Mrs. Marianne Gerdes White. I believe that Joe Hyde Jr. adopted the name of the English poet Horace White.

This is what research is all about - what you are unable to discern with your continued cherry-picking of what suits you. You chose to go with my first, wrong name rather than the correction, showing that you really didn't read carefully all I wrote.

Whatever his name, and I can find no trace of it now, it really isn't a big deal, as you indicate. The big question is: was he formerly Captain Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr.

And you completely ignored the discussion being foremost about its being connected to the JFK conspiracy assassination, making little of the missing body when the ejection seat should have helped locate it.

Posted by: Vetinari 9.Sep.2010, 04:54 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 9.Sep.2010, 03:43 PM) *
Yes, I will reply without insults.

There was some confusion about Mrs. Marianne Gerdes Hyde's second husband's name, as my first post indicated since what I claimed was taken down before I took notes about it. While I referred to her as Mrs. Smith, I stated ultimately that she was really Mrs. Marianne Gerdes White. I believe that Joe Hyde Jr. adopted the name of the English poet Horace White.


Where did you change your claim about the name? It sure is not on this thread.

QUOTE
This is what research is all about - what you are unable to discern with your continued cherry-picking of what suits you. You chose to go with my first, wrong name rather than the correction, showing that you really didn't read carefully all I wrote.


Well you lasted one paragraph without insulting me so i will let this slide. But again, where did you post the name change? As I correctly pointed out, you used 'Smith' throughout this entire thread.

QUOTE
Whatever his name, and I can find no trace of it now, it really isn't a big deal, as you indicate. The big question is: was he formerly Captain Joe Glenn Hyde, Jr.


You made it a deal when you used the name as a way to insult Nine. I pointed out the fallacy of your accusation (that you have never once here admitted the name change). And yes, the big question is was he really Hyde. You made that claim in the very first post, not even saying that he might be Hyde, but stating it as proof: "He must be Joe Hyde, Jr. with a new identity" (post #1).

As a former college professor, you must know that with a statement like that it is up to you to show some proof. You have yet to do that.

QUOTE
And you completely ignored the discussion being foremost about its being connected to the JFK conspiracy assassination, making little of the missing body when the ejection seat should have helped locate it.


Yes, I ignored the JFK connection as I am discussing your claim that Hyde and Smith/White is the same person.

And for the missing pilot, I stated my thoughts on it in the bottom of my latest post, did I not? Can you post out flaws in my reasoning on that subject?

Now as an aside, would you agree that it is more enjoyable to discuss these things without a constant back and forth of insults?

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 9.Sep.2010, 08:01 PM

You are quite right to state that I referred to Mrs. Marianne Hyde's second husband as Horace Smith, name adopted after the famous English poet with that name. My memory failed me when I called him Horace White when I reviewed the various threads, and I apologize for this mistake - though whatever Joe Hyde Jr.'s adopted new name is made no difference in his getting a new identity.

And the new identity never fooled his former wife as she just acted as if it were meeting Joe all over again.

But are you prepared to apologize for ignoring the porkie you engaged in when you "called it" in post #29 - my alleged creating a story for The Daily Express, as The Nine not only alleged but also supplied an irrelevant story to confirm, and your choosing to take a compliant about the same dipstick on the Haarp beam thread as an insult to you`?

Posted by: Vetinari 9.Sep.2010, 08:33 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 9.Sep.2010, 07:01 PM) *
You are quite right to state that I referred to Mrs. Marianne Hyde's second husband as Horace Smith, name adopted after the famous English poet with that name. My memory failed me when I called him Horace White when I reviewed the various threads, and I apologize for this mistake - though whatever Joe Hyde Jr.'s adopted new name is made no difference in his getting a new identity.


Ok, done and done. Agree to ignore the name issue for the bigger issue of him creating a new identity. Something I still think is extremely far-fetched, both in scope and in probablity of success.

QUOTE
And the new identity never fooled his former wife as she just acted as if it were meeting Joe all over again.


You mean falling in love again, and getting married again? Thats hardly a suspicious action. And if you lose your first husband in a tragic accident, it is not far fetched to think that you would be attracted to someone who you found similar to your husband. That Smith have to be Hyde is still too far-fetched. Why do this with a married man when a single man would have sufficed?

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But are you prepared to apologize for ignoring the porkie you engaged in when you "called it" in post #29 - my alleged creating a story for The Daily Express, as The Nine not only alleged but also supplied an irrelevant story to confirm, and your choosing to take a compliant about the same dipstick on the Haarp beam thread as an insult to you`?


By post #29 you are referring to the missing article issue. That got settled a while ago. The reasoning against you was the following: You made claims referring to a D Express article without giving us a link. The Nine went to the DE website and assumed you used the first article he found, and I took him for his word. You would notice that in post #39 (nines first reply) he admitted to using the wrong article.

Again, you did not post what exact article you mentioned in the first place, so Nine and I assumed it was what was at the time the DE's headline. That is an honest mistake and not a lie (a lie is purposefully saying something is true when you know it isn't). I will admit to making a mistake based on a lack of information, but not to lying which you accused me of.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 9.Sep.2010, 09:08 PM

I thought not.

You expect others to admit their mistakes, especially lies, but you don't do likewise.

You lied about your treatment of the Daily Express article that The Nine falsely supplied when you "called it", meaning you endorsed it without even looking to what you were agreeing to. And you have compounded your lie now by claiming that I did not supply the article's actual title when I not only did so, but also supplied the names of its authors, and a quotation from it.

And, of course, you have nothing to say about your taking offense to what I said about The Nine.

You can dish it out much better than you can take it.

Posted by: Vetinari 9.Sep.2010, 09:26 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 9.Sep.2010, 08:08 PM) *
I thought not.

You expect others to admit their mistakes, especially lies, but you don't do likewise.

You lied about your treatment of the Daily Express article that The Nine falsely supplied when you "called it", meaning you endorsed it without even looking to what you were agreeing to. And you have compounded your lie now by claiming that I did not supply the article's actual title when I not only did so, but also supplied the names of its authors, and a quotation from it.

And, of course, you have nothing to say about your taking offense to what I said about The Nine.

You can dish it out much better than you can take it.


No Trow, you did not provide a link to the DE article when Nine and I erroneously thought it was another article. I "called it in post #29, you provided the link in #30, which means you provided the link after me and Nine made our claims.

I looked through the thread again and the statements you made in post #27 are the ones that Nine posted the wrong article to and I 'claimed'. You provided that link in #30. No other previous link in the thread refers to that article. In other words, you made a claim without a link, Nine and I erroneously mistook the article which you referred but did not link to.

So again:

You make a claim in #27
Nine attakcs and ridicules you in #28
I call it in #29
You post link in #30

So me and Nine mistook the article you referred to because we had no link to go on. You did not link the article until after we ridiculed you for making far-fetched connections. we made an honest mistake due to a lack of info. we did not lie.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 10.Sep.2010, 09:00 AM

Thanks for your illustrating your inability to admit any lies, diversions, digressions, etc At worse, his mistakes were essentially of my own making. rolleyes.gif .

Posters who want to see for themselves how Vetinari's above post fits into the pattern should read the posts on the One for Trowbridge thread, starting with #19 and going through #32 where he and The Nine first tried to turn attention away from my calling attention to the Daily Express article, entitled "Flat Owned by Firm Name After 'Russian Motherland' ", by John Twomey and Will Stewart where they connected the murder of Gareth Williams to the former KGB's Rodina Society because the flat owner has the same name - what Vetinari finally admitted in the last post cited.

In the interim, he and The Nine tried to divert attention away from the claim by engaging in banter about the assassination of Dr. Kelly, and then brought up deliberately a different article from the DE in toto to discredit me, The Nine claiming: "For anyone who hasn't seen it, below is Trows stated article from the Daily Express. I challenge you to work out what he is talking about." (Post #28) Then, in the next post, Vetinari declared: "I called it."

Ever since they have been mouthing lies, my alleged failures, and their excuses to explain away their original lies.

The whole excercise is an excellent example of what sabretache complained about my critics in his thread yesterday.

Posted by: The Nine 10.Sep.2010, 10:20 AM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 10.Sep.2010, 09:00 AM) *
Thanks for your illustrating your inability to admit any lies, diversions, digressions, etc At worse, his mistakes were essentially of my own making. rolleyes.gif .

Posters who want to see for themselves how Vetinari's above post fits into the pattern should read the posts on the One for Trowbridge thread, starting with #19 and going through #32 where he and The Nine first tried to turn attention away from my calling attention to the Daily Express article, entitled "Flat Owned by Firm Name After 'Russian Motherland' ", by John Twomey and Will Stewart where they connected the murder of Gareth Williams to the former KGB's Rodina Society because the flat owner has the same name - what Vetinari finally admitted in the last post cited.

In the interim, he and The Nine tried to divert attention away from the claim by engaging in banter about the assassination of Dr. Kelly, and then brought up deliberately a different article from the DE in toto to discredit me, The Nine claiming: "For anyone who hasn't seen it, below is Trows stated article from the Daily Express. I challenge you to work out what he is talking about." (Post #28) Then, in the next post, Vetinari declared: "I called it."

Ever since they have been mouthing lies, my alleged failures, and their excuses to explain away their original lies.

The whole excercise is an excellent example of what sabretache complained about my critics in his thread yesterday.


THF, I went to the DE page, clicked the Gareth Williams related story on the main home page and, whether it was because I was a bit tired, or maybe didn't have my glasses on? I neglected to pay enough attention to the actual headline before clicking on it and going to the meat of the article. It was a genuine mistake. When you then screamed you tirade of abuse and took the time to post the correct link ( Why not do that to begin with?) I immediately apologised for my mistake. As you did with your recent White / Smith mix up, everyone will accept it was a genuine mistake. It happens. No big deal. Why do you have to make more of something than it really is?

As I further pointed out, when you did post the link the statements you had made about the article STILL bore no relevance .

QUOTE
"Flat Owned by Firm Name After 'Russian Motherland' ", by John Twomey and Will Stewart where they connected the murder of Gareth Williams to the former KGB's Rodina Society because the flat owner has the same name -


The article you were referring to says nothing of the kind. The only reference of any sort is a 3 line missive at the end.

QUOTE
The company’s name is said to be an MI6 in-joke. Rodina means motherland in Russian and in Soviet times the Rodina Society was a front organisation for the KGB to promote “cultural relations with compatriots abroad”.


http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/195532/Flat-owned-by-firm-named-after-Russian-motherland-

That is not making any kind of connection in relation to Williams death.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 10.Sep.2010, 10:39 AM

Just the usual tag-team event where I am dealing with several disrupting opponents who constantly take over when one of their colleagues gets in big trouble.

This time it is Vetinari who compounded his earlier lies by claiming that I had posted no link to my claims when I had done so in Post #19 - what I listed the title of, the authors of, and the connection of the Williams murder to the Rodina spying efforts by both the KGB and now MI6 and CIA.

A link can be any kind of association, verbal, mechanical, etc., but Vetinari just hides behind the fact that I didn't actually link the story, preferring to quote the part directly that I am most interested in.

Instead of making Vetinari explain his continuing lies, The Nine jumps in with his explanation of why he mistakenly posted the wrong story, and continuing to explain away, as best he can, the Rodina link to past KGB efforts to recruit Soviet spies with the joint MI6/CIA to recruit fake ones in their entrapment efforts.

As for alleged British intelligence service jokes, I remember a former Director of MI5 referring to Peter Wright jokingly as its resident KGB agent when, in fact, he was. laugh.gif

I can just imagine ricky boy to now join in.

Posted by: The Nine 10.Sep.2010, 11:46 AM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 10.Sep.2010, 10:39 AM) *
Just the usual tag-team event where I am dealing with several disrupting opponents who constantly take over when one of their colleagues gets in big trouble.

This time it is Vetinari who compounded his earlier lies by claiming that I had posted no link to my claims when I had done so in Post #19 - what I listed the title of, the authors of, and the connection of the Williams murder to the Rodina spying efforts by both the KGB and now MI6 and CIA.

A link can be any kind of association, verbal, mechanical, etc., but Vetinari just hides behind the fact that I didn't actually link the story, preferring to quote the part directly that I am most interested in.

Instead of making Vetinari explain his continuing lies, The Nine jumps in with his explanation of why he mistakenly posted the wrong story, and continuing to explain away, as best he can, the Rodina link to past KGB efforts to recruit Soviet spies with the joint MI6/CIA to recruit fake ones in their entrapment efforts.

As for alleged British intelligence service jokes, I remember a former Director of MI5 referring to Peter Wright jokingly as its resident KGB agent when, in fact, he was. laugh.gif

I can just imagine ricky boy to now join in.


QUOTE
This time it is Vetinari who compounded his earlier lies by claiming that I had posted no link to my claims when I had done so in Post #19 - what I listed the title of, the authors of, and the connection of the Williams murder to the Rodina spying efforts by both the KGB and now MI6 and CIA.


Now who is MISTAKEN or telling PORKIES Trowbridge? I have just returned to post 19 of that thread and you have posted NO link. You are correct that you note the headline of the D.E article, its authors, state your belief that this article clearly proves a link between (what exactly?) and Gareth Williams.

This issue wasn't about Intelligence Service jokes or Peter Wright. They are utterly unrelated to this, save for the irony that sometimes things said in jest might unwittingly have a bone of truth buried in them from time to time. However, in this case you still provide nothing to suggest it is the case.

Despite your asscertions, the Daily Express article is basically a recent history of the house in Alderney Street. It lists its purchase date and two occasions when it had been re-mortgaged. It concludes with a sentence pointing out that the name of the holdings company that purchased it is / might be / could be an ironic joke. It makes not the smallest reference or insinuation to spying or recruitment of spies by the KGB, CIA or anyone else.

OK, Rodina Society is known to have been an ex-pats society that the KGB used to recruit. Your assertions rest on the tenuous premise that, just because this house was purchased by a company called Rodina, that it clearly shows a link to Russian inteligence services and the death of Gareth Williams. The truth is that it does nothing of the kind.

It simply suggests that someone in the Foreign Office thought it was amusing to name a company after a KGB front. An ironic joke I am sure they are now regretting.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 10.Sep.2010, 12:09 PM

No, The Nine, it is you who are now lying to help support Vetinari's lies, claiming that my Post #19 did not represent a link when I quoted from the titled Daily Express article that you allegedly honestly overlooked, and explained that that was a link, a connection, to better explain my position - what you conveniently leave out of your quotations from my last post to defend your lie.

You are just an endless spinner of scum of yours and others making, and I have no more time for you.

Posted by: The Nine 10.Sep.2010, 12:33 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 10.Sep.2010, 12:09 PM) *
No, The Nine, it is you who are now lying to help support Vetinari's lies, claiming that my Post #19 did not represent a link when I quoted from the titled Daily Express article that you allegedly honestly overlooked, and explained that that was a link, a connection, to better explain my position - what you conveniently leave out of your qutotions from my last post to defend your lie.

You are just an endless spinner of scum of yours and others, and I have no more time for you.



QUOTE
This time it is Vetinari who compounded his earlier lies by claiming that I had posted no link to my claims when I had done so in Post #19


Aaaaah Trowbridge, I am such a stupid person. You must forgive me. You see, when someone states they have posted a link , like the idiot I am, I assumed that was the usual HTML type code that you click to be taken to the page in question.

Obviously I am too stupid to realise that what you actually meant was that simply re-typing the headline of said article also constitues a link. Also that when you said YOU HAD DONE SO, what you actually meant was that you had posted something to REPRESENT a link

Would you like me to pass you a bigger shovel so you can dig your hole a little quicker?

Posted by: The Nine 10.Sep.2010, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 10.Sep.2010, 10:39 AM) *
Just the usual tag-team event where I am dealing with several disrupting opponents who constantly take over when one of their colleagues gets in big trouble.

This time it is Vetinari who compounded his earlier lies by claiming that I had posted no link to my claims when I had done so in Post #19 - what I listed the title of, the authors of, and the connection of the Williams murder to the Rodina spying efforts by both the KGB and now MI6 and CIA.

A link can be any kind of association, verbal, mechanical, etc., but Vetinari just hides behind the fact that I didn't actually link the story, preferring to quote the part directly that I am most interested in.

Instead of making Vetinari explain his continuing lies, The Nine jumps in with his explanation of why he mistakenly posted the wrong story, and continuing to explain away, as best he can, the Rodina link to past KGB efforts to recruit Soviet spies with the joint MI6/CIA to recruit fake ones in their entrapment efforts.

As for alleged British intelligence service jokes, I remember a former Director of MI5 referring to Peter Wright jokingly as its resident KGB agent when, in fact, he was. laugh.gif

I can just imagine ricky boy to now join in.

Posted by: Vetinari 10.Sep.2010, 02:57 PM

Trow, here is your post #19 in its entirety:

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 26.Aug.2010, 11:06 AM) *
Now the Daily Express has connected the Williams murder to the entrapment of the Manhattan 11, though without even recognizing it, apparently falling for a MI6 in-joke about his safe house being owned by a GCHQ front called Rodina.

"Rodina means motherland in Russian," John Twomey and Will Stewart wrote in "Flat Owned By Firm Named After 'Russian Motherland', "and in Soviet times the Rodina Society was a front organisation for the KGB to promote 'cultural relations with compatriots abroad."

This time MI6 and CIA were doing it for the SVR in payback, and conducting it out of London and Washington, seeking like-minded people for a new Russia, and Williams was tying the bits together, possibly acting as a woman in the process so as not to draw attention to himself while seeking out Anna's friends, and information about them.

It seems that the ownership of the flat is public information, and Williams' assassin or assassins were waiting for him after he returned from his vacation after trying to get Anna, it seems, from going back to Russia during the spy exchange.

And don't forget Putin allegedly singing Rodina songs with the spies when they returned to Mother Russia as heroes, only to disappear as if the KGB were still in charge.



Point out where in this post you have a link.

Because I can't find a link to anything in that post. I thought we were making some progress towards civility, but clearly you are not interested in civil discussion on this board, rather you prefer to throw insults around.

Note that I agreed to drop the name issue when you claimed you merely made a sloppy mistake (Smith/White). Yet when I explain how I made a mistake and admit it you say I am unable to and only demand admittance from others.

By reading this thread it is clear to everyone what your 'game' is. Everyone should also note that I have provided quotes, links and sources for my arguments, while you have not done any of the like.

But again, show me exactly where in post #19 (quoted above) you provide a link. And while you are at it, show me in what post in the 'One for Trowbridge" thread you provided a link to the same article you mention in #30 prior to post #30. When you do either of these things I will admit to lying. And just to clarify, I am talking about links, just like the one in post #30.

Again, I admitted a mistake and told you the reason why. Instead of accepting an apology (like I did) you demand I further apologize for actions I did not do. By your very own reasoning, you then blatantly lied when you said White instead of Smith. But as everyone can see, in the interest of returning to a civil discussion I accepted it as a sloppy mistake. Yet in the exact same situation with the roles reversed, you refuse to do the same. Yet I am at fault.

Well, we all know I tried to give Trow an excuse to not throw insults around and instead argue the merits of his opinions. He has openly rejected that notion and keeps resorting to insults.

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 10.Sep.2010, 03:20 PM

And I am not going to waste any more time on you either, Vetinari, since you are only capable of spinning matters when the post you quoted clearly showed that is an article from The Daily Express, written by John Tomey and Will Stewart , and entitled "Flat Owned by Firm Named After 'Russian Motherland'."

The internet has not gained a monoply on the meaning of the word "link". It is still in the English Dictionary, meaning, among other definitions, "anything serving to connect one part or thing to another."

You are still only capable of lies, diversions, digressions, etc. - all intended to prevent any new information or understanding about anything when it comes to my threads and posts.

Goodbye!

Posted by: Jimmy 10.Sep.2010, 03:29 PM

Trow , bet you 500kr that it is not "Goodbye!"

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 10.Sep.2010, 03:42 PM

Now one of the weaker members of the tag team shows up, and offers one of his puny bets.

I certainly am going to be around here much less, Jimmy, and if you really make it worthwhile by suggesting a bet of, say, $10,000, you're on. laugh.gif

Posted by: Rick Methven 10.Sep.2010, 03:47 PM

QUOTE
The internet has not gained a monoply on the meaning of the word "link". It is still in the English Dictionary, meaning, among other definitions, "anything serving to connect one part or thing to another."


THF, pretty good definition of a link, just a pity that your links never connect anything to anything laugh.gif

Posted by: Jimmy 10.Sep.2010, 03:55 PM

PAY UP Trow, you came back so it isnot "Goodbye!"

Or would you like the definition of the word to clarify it for you laugh.gif

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 10.Sep.2010, 04:00 PM

Just typical of your conjuring up bets when it suits you.

I said goodbye to The Nine, Vetinari, and now you.

But there is still no bet about leaving, so just clam up.

And thanks ricky for confirming that Vetinari has lied yet again. That's a good link to make.

Posted by: The Nine 10.Sep.2010, 04:30 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 10.Sep.2010, 03:20 PM) *
And I am not going to waste any more time on you either, Vetinari, since you are only capable of spinning matters when the post you quoted clearly showed that is an article from The Daily Express, written by John Tomey and Will Stewart , and entitled "Flat Owned by Firm Named After 'Russian Motherland'."

The internet has not gained a monoply on the meaning of the word "link". It is still in the English Dictionary, meaning, among other definitions, "anything serving to connect one part or thing to another."

You are still only capable of lies, diversions, digressions, etc. - all intended to prevent any new information or understanding about anything when it comes to my threads and posts.

Goodbye!


QUOTE
And I am not going to waste any more time on you either, Vetinari, since you are only capable of spinning matters when the post you quoted clearly showed that is an article from The Daily Express, written by John Tomey and Will Stewart , and entitled "Flat Owned by Firm Named After 'Russian Motherland'."


When you say 'article' you mean that 130 word Dead Donkey? ( check yer wiki Trow, before you accuse me of animal cruelty) It is hardly an article. Nor is it in a credible rag. Do you ever read the Express? It is still going on about Princess Diana!!! It is known for loving a bit of establishment tittle-tattle.

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The internet has not gained a monoply on the meaning of the word "link". It is still in the English Dictionary, meaning, among other definitions, "anything serving to connect one part or thing to another."


And for your purposes it meant you had provided a html to the article...Until you realised you had not and you are too much of an asshole to say 'Whoops, my mistake.. Here is the link'

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You are still only capable of lies, diversions, digressions, etc. - all intended to prevent any new information or understanding about anything when it comes to my threads and posts.


One may argue that these are just terms used to deflect the need to answer a direct question?

Posted by: Rick Methven 10.Sep.2010, 04:33 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 10.Sep.2010, 05:00 PM) *
Just typical of your conjuring up bets when it suits you.

I said goodbye to The Nine, Vetinari, and now you.

But there is still no bet about leaving, so just clam up.

And thanks ricky for confirming that Vetinari has lied yet again. That's a good link to make.

I think you need new reading specs!

Where did I confirm that Vetinari has lied yet again?

In you dreams old man

Posted by: The Nine 10.Sep.2010, 05:01 PM

QUOTE (Rick Methven @ 10.Sep.2010, 04:33 PM) *
I think you need new reading specs!

Where did I confirm that Vetinari has lied yet again?

In you dreams old man



Where is sabretache when you need him? As if I need to ask?

Posted by: Jimmy 10.Sep.2010, 05:36 PM

THF, if you are honest and a honourable person as you say

pay up

Posted by: Rick Methven 10.Sep.2010, 05:43 PM

QUOTE (Jimmy @ 10.Sep.2010, 06:36 PM) *
THF, if you are honest and a honourable person as you say

pay up

NEWS FLASH TT Sweden

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A person strongly resembling Trowbridge H Ford was spotted on his way to Arlanda to catch a flight to Tehran where it is believed he will be safe from demand from unreasonable people that he pay up on bets that he has consistently welched on

Posted by: Jimmy 10.Sep.2010, 05:46 PM

I am ålanning on a holiday in spring. I wonder if I can count on THF paying his bets?

Posted by: Vetinari 10.Sep.2010, 06:00 PM

QUOTE (Trowbridge H. Ford @ 10.Sep.2010, 02:20 PM) *
And I am not going to waste any more time on you either, Vetinari, since you are only capable of spinning matters when the post you quoted clearly showed that is an article from The Daily Express, written by John Tomey and Will Stewart , and entitled "Flat Owned by Firm Named After 'Russian Motherland'."

The internet has not gained a monoply on the meaning of the word "link". It is still in the English Dictionary, meaning, among other definitions, "anything serving to connect one part or thing to another."

You are still only capable of lies, diversions, digressions, etc. - all intended to prevent any new information or understanding about anything when it comes to my threads and posts.

Goodbye!


So you admit that you did not post a link. Thank you for admitting that I was in fact right throughout this entire argument.

Trow has now proven himself to be a utter an complete liar, having to resort to word games, backtracking, and to posting slanderous lies about other posters. But I guess that all he has got as he is completely unable to answer any counter arguments to his wild imaginations.

Posted by: Jimmy 10.Sep.2010, 06:15 PM

Sincve I have his address , I wonder if I could use these posts as evidence for me to go to Kronofog to collect my bets?

Might do it for the laugh

Posted by: The Nine 10.Sep.2010, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Jimmy @ 10.Sep.2010, 06:15 PM) *
Sincve I have his address , I wonder if I could use these posts as evidence for me to go to Kronofog to collect my bets?

Might do it for the laugh



Better than that. I know his name. And I am sure that THF will be spitting out his teeth to learn that it was due to simple deduction.
Lesson 1 Don't post your address.
Lesson 2. Don't post on other sites under your own name.
Lesson 3 Eniro.

We secret agent types eh?

Posted by: Vetinari 10.Sep.2010, 08:06 PM

QUOTE (The Nine @ 10.Sep.2010, 06:41 PM) *
Better than that. I know his name. And I am sure that THF will be spitting out his teeth to learn that it was due to simple deduction.
Lesson 1 Don't post your address.
Lesson 2. Don't post on other sites under your own name.
Lesson 3 Eniro.

We secret agent types eh?


I was thinking about checking eniro, but honestly I don't care that much about some internet troll on a small more or less unremarkable website.

Besides, for someone who is hunted by the CIA like THF, I doubt he gives his real address. On the other hand, he have shown time and time again that he doesn't really understand how the internet works, so maybe he did.

Posted by: jghyde 18.Mar.2011, 07:42 AM

This is Joe Hyde III. I'd like to clarify some items:

1. My dad was killed in the U-2 accident. Not written in the story I have written about the ordeal, but told to me by the safety investigation officer was that the tail of his recovered U-2 had an impression the size of a helmet in the tail. When my dad ejected, the spinning plan wacked him in the head, and that probably killed him instantly.

2. My step dad is Horace Smith. He cannot be an impostor because my mom was married THREE times. The second was to a Bob Brown. Horace was #3.

3. My mom was SINGLE from the death of my dad until 1973. That's 10 years, and a long time to wait around to marry the same guy in some sort of covert CIA operation (-;

4. I wrote that article originally for Southwest Texas Live magazine. I have published it twice afterwards. Once in the Georgia Bulldog football program and a second on my web site, hydeinteractive.com.

5. I am really not insulted by this thread. But if I was, how much does it cost to sue a kook in Sweden? And would it be worth the effort, or cash?

Joe Hyde

Posted by: Jamtjim 18.Mar.2011, 07:57 AM

Hi Joe,

I think we all realise that THF is a crackpot and don't believe a he says. I don't know how closely you have followed this forum, but he has been recently exposed as a liar and a fraud to the extent that he threw his toys out of his pram, and hasn't posted for a while. Check out these threads:

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=39255&hl=
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=38739&hl=

http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=39338&hl=
http://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=39681&hl=

I think it's safe to say he's a laughing stock, I'm just sorry his loopy theories caused you so much upset!

Posted by: Trowbridge H. Ford 3.Apr.2011, 07:26 PM

Just discovered this bit of derision by jamtjim et al. while I was on my way to Buenos Aires for a week's vacation.

Most relevant to his attempts to continually make me out as a kook because of my research into assassinations like those of JFK and Olof Palme.

Shall bring it up when I visit my lawyer ASAP!

Posted by: Jamtjim 3.Apr.2011, 07:42 PM

Haha, you really have got your teeth into this whole derision thing haven't you Trollbridge. Oh well nothing left to say but bring it on. You were already derided long before I started tackling your ridiculous claims so I hardly think that the contempt by which you are regarded can be placed solely on me.

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