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Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Feb.2019, 04:46 PM

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/efter-35-olika-andrahandsboenden-har-caroline-fatt-ett-hem

QUOTE
"After 35 different second-hand homes, Caroline has got a home"

"She(Caroline) has moved around in second-hand apartments or rooms along all the commuter trains to get somewhere to live with her son. In total, she expects it to have 35 different addresses in ten years."


"- I have lived in Knivsta, Märsta, Haninge, Västerhaninge, Rågsved, Hammarbyhöjden. Yes, there are several places in Märsta.
She has been in a queue since she was 18 and has a permanent job as a waitress but it has not been enough to get either a rent or a loan to buy a home."

"- I have not been able to save, I was single and would pay food and often very high rent. When it was the worst, my son often said "When should we move again now, Mom? Can I unpack my toys? ”You never know when you can move again. You are constantly looking for a new accommodation."

"- Everyone wants money, everyone wants to have as much as possible. Last time when I paid 10,000 a month in Upplands Väsby, for a one in 27 square. Then I felt that now it must be enough, after all, others will come after me, now I register them to the Renting Committee. But the energy was not there."

"But then, when Caroline had almost given up, she finally got a first-hand contract through a friend who lives with a private host."


This story might sound extreme, but this is the average life for those who can't afford to buy or haven't been lucky enough to get a first hand contract.
She was born here and despite sweden having the highest taxes in the world, this system cannot provide her with stable accommodation so she can live a normal life.

Now just imagine an immigrant who doesn't know the system and doesn't have the money to buy an apartment. Do you really think that immigrant can compete and last in a country that systematically makes his/her life impossible by making him/her having to move to new overpriced accommodation 3 times a year?!.

Posted by: wallace1837 24.Feb.2019, 04:59 PM

Now people will post on this thread that Swedish housing is not dysfunctional. Welcome to denial land.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 24.Feb.2019, 07:44 PM

Funny how my English friend has been in a queue in Stockholm for 10 years and got a place, 2 room 57 sq/m for 6.500kr a month 1st hand.

Admittedly it isn't in the best place for him (Viksjö in Jakosbberg) but it can be done.

I have been in different lists in Stockholm for 15 years and I am in the top 10 of lots of places under 10.000kr.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Feb.2019, 10:20 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 24.Feb.2019, 05:59 PM) *
Now people will post on this thread that Swedish housing is not dysfunctional. Welcome to denial land.


The whole problem continues and grows bigger each year because this is a very abnormal country in the way they tackle problems.

But at least they posted it on svt which is quite surprising, because they even showed the real deal about second-hand contracts which about that lady is pretty much the lives of most people in that situation. And everybody should know including abroad because it's shameful.

What amazes me is the passivity and the acknowledgement by many swedes as if it was a normal thing, when the reality is it is not.

Second hand contracts are misery and stress and you live short term until you get tired and leave the country, it's a trap and the system only offers queues or buy. lucky me my country doesn't work like that. Even though some ppl in this forum had tried to mislead and say otherwise.

Posted by: skogsbo 24.Feb.2019, 10:26 PM

Or you can take control and just buy? What percentage of Sweden's population are actually homeless?

Ps. As I've said, just because someone is on a list, doesn't mean they don't already own a house and left their name on it etc.. and they aren't homeless.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 24.Feb.2019, 10:37 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 24.Feb.2019, 11:26 PM) *
Or you can take control and just buy?


So you admit... That's their goal with second hand rentals... ;-) Force people to take a loan and buy an apartment. I knew that from the first 3 months I lived in sweden. It's so... dishonest.

That's why the silence about the subject and almost nobody explains what second-hand contracts are.

That is what we call outside sweden a... MONOPOLY ;-)

In Spain no second-hand market, no black market, no queues of 10 years. FREE MARKET.

Excuses, excuses to promote an agenda ;-).

This is a very repressive system.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Feb.2019, 10:56 PM

Spain sounds like a wonderful country!!!

Posted by: wallace1837 25.Feb.2019, 02:16 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 24.Feb.2019, 10:26 PM) *
Or you can take control and just buy? What percentage of Sweden's population are actually homeless?

Ps. As I've said, just because someone is on a list, doesn't mean they don't already own a house and left their name on it etc.. and they aren't homeless.

Still confuse between homelessness and dysfunctional housing system. This thread is about dysfunctional housing system in Sweden.

Posted by: skogsbo 25.Feb.2019, 06:46 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 25.Feb.2019, 01:16 AM) *
Still confuse between homelessness and dysfunctional housing system. This thread is about dysfunctional housing system in Sweden.


But if people are not homeless it is working despite over a million refugees and eu migrant workers arriving in the last few years.

There is no plan to force people to buy but it is logical step a person can take, but taking responsibility for themselves. Just because someone in the EU decides to leave their amazing homeland for rubbish sweden, why is it suddenly the Swedish states problem to house them?

Posted by: skogsbo 25.Feb.2019, 06:48 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Feb.2019, 09:37 PM) *
So you admit... That's their goal with second hand rentals... ;-) Force people to take a loan and buy an apartment. I knew that from the first 3 months I lived in sweden. It's so... dishonest.

That's why the silence about the subject and almost nobody explains what second-hand contracts are.

That is what we call outside sweden a... MONOPOLY ;-)

In Spain no second-hand market, no black market, no queues of 10 years. FREE MARKET.

Excuses, excuses to promote an agenda ;-).

This is a very repressive system.

You don't know the meaning of a monopoly do you?

Posted by: bonviveur 25.Feb.2019, 07:32 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Feb.2019, 10:37 PM) *
So you admit... That's their goal with second hand rentals... ;-) Force people to take a loan and buy an apartment. I knew that from the first 3 months I lived in sweden. It's so... dishonest.

That's why the silence about the subject and almost nobody explains what second-hand contracts are.

That is what we call outside sweden a... MONOPOLY ;-)

In Spain no second-hand market, no black market, no queues of 10 years. FREE MARKET.

Excuses, excuses to promote an agenda ;-).

This is a very repressive system.

does Spain supply housing to people by government public companys , I do not think so. you should not compare these countrys then

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Feb.2019, 08:49 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 25.Feb.2019, 07:48 AM) *
You don't know the meaning of a monopoly do you?


Absolutely, I live in sweden!.


QUOTE (bonviveur @ 25.Feb.2019, 08:32 AM) *
does Spain supply housing to people by government public companys , I do not think so. you should not compare these countrys then


-In Spain we don't have queues for rentals,

-We don't have second hand rentals as in sweden meaning generaly speaking people don't have to move 3 times a year like the lady in that article. That is the average in sweden, having to move 3 times a year and even more times.

- We don't have black market for rentals as sweden does.

Sweden is a staged system the thing is it's starting to become obvious that this will lead to a disaster.

Sweden is a very closed country and their housing system is a reflection of it.

But sweden has one big advantage Spain doesn't. International mass media will never report in depth what's actually happening in sweden. Only vague references.

What's happening in sweden is a disaster but they have a well controlled society that will never ask the hard questions or simply pretend nothing is happening. We don't have that in Spain.

Sweden is denial and excuses but no solution because they don't want to fix it because it's a bussiness model it's a premeditated system meant to force people take a loan and buy. But this farce will not last forever.

But you come here with your scandinavian mindset ready to make excuses. That's typical of this culture. Always excuses. But everybody knows the consequences and people look the other way.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Feb.2019, 09:01 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 25.Feb.2019, 03:16 AM) *
Still confuse between homelessness and dysfunctional housing system. This thread is about dysfunctional housing system in Sweden.


The scandinavian way in general is to make excuses or downplay the problem... Or blame others.
They know this will never make international news, that's why they keep doing it.

Sweden is pro at looking the other way, 20 years from now there will still be queues... and no economy because their economic boom will not last forever. They are super expensive and out there many countries can do most of what they do for less money and less fika.

Just look at them everyday, nobody cares about anything. Super mega passive culture always looking themselves in the mirror believing they are special just because they get overpaid.

Sweden is the clear example of better be lucky than good. And the reason why are so protective is because they know if housing was easy then they will be invaded by a ton of people who don't need 3 fikas a day and 3 vacations a year and will work for less money.
When you live in a country where of 350,000 unemployed... 250,000 are immigrants... Then someone is not taking immigrants seriously.

Swedes play the role of humanitarian but their housing system is the most inhumane in Europe. I tell my friends in Spain and they can't believe what I tell them. In the mean while the average swede lives in denial world or simply silence.

In the meanwhile international media will continue to spread a completely distorted image of sweden where everybody is happy and life is easy. Fake world cannot last forever.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2019, 09:11 PM

Spain sounds like a wonderful country!!!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 26.Feb.2019, 09:49 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 26.Feb.2019, 10:11 PM) *
Spain sounds like a wonderful country!!!



Best of all..

- No queues for rentals.
- No second hand rentals.
- No black market where people have to pay for rentals.
- No denial and fake people pretending everybody is happy.
- No emotionally repressed individuals who get red faced because I make a critic about their country.
- No arrogant women who occupy both seats on the bus so you can't sit next to them.
- No monopoly where your life in overly controlled whether you buy food or meds and big brother always watching like in sweden and over obsessed with controlling people.
- In Spain you can... shout, laugh, be yourself, make unappropriated comments, make crazy jokes without people looking at you as something awkward. Yes BE YOURSELF, incredible right!?. make eye contact with women without having to see awkward/arrogant panic faces like in sweden.
- No more robots who downplay real problems, make excuses and insult your intelligence or simply look the other way giving false excuses to problems that even a 4 year old kid could see.
- FREEDOM to be yourself. Yes that unknown in "we are the best" sweden where everybody is mind controlled.
- Excellent, affordable, Healthy REAL FOOD. Yeah never seen such thing since I arrived in "Best country on earth" AKA sweden.



Cons.

Unemployment.


The only good thing sweden has is getting paid €2000+ for doing any job. THAT'S IT. You read it?. THAT'S IT.

If people wouldn't get paid €2000+ a month in sweden then not even santa claus or anybody in their right mind would want to live here.

Posted by: skogsbo 26.Feb.2019, 10:12 PM

Perhaps you should be grateful to be here earning, see the positives, life is a lot worse for many elsewhere in the eu.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Feb.2019, 10:19 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 26.Feb.2019, 10:49 PM) *
Best of all..

- No queues for rentals.
- No second hand rentals.
- No black market where people have to pay for rentals.
- No denial and fake people pretending everybody is happy.
- No emotionally repressed individuals who get red faced because I make a critic about their country.
- No arrogant women who occupy both seats on the bus so you can't sit next to them.
- No monopoly where your life in overly controlled whether you buy food or meds and big brother always watching like in sweden and over obsessed with controlling people.
- In Spain you can... shout, laugh, be yourself, make unappropriated comments, make crazy jokes without people looking at you as something awkward. Yes BE YOURSELF, incredible right!?. make eye contact with women without having to see awkward/arrogant panic faces like in sweden.
- No more robots who downplay real problems, make excuses and insult your intelligence or simply look the other way giving false excuses to problems that even a 4 year old kid could see.
- FREEDOM to be yourself. Yes that unknown in "we are the best" sweden where everybody is mind controlled.
- Excellent, affordable, Healthy REAL FOOD. Yeah never seen such thing since I arrived in "Best country on earth" AKA sweden.



Cons.

Unemployment.


The only good thing sweden has is getting paid €2000+ for doing any job. THAT'S IT. You read it?. THAT'S IT.

If people wouldn't get paid €2000+ a month in sweden then not even santa claus or anybody in their right mind would want to live here.



You gave that up for money???

You cheated yourself!!!

Posted by: Bsmith 26.Feb.2019, 11:39 PM

No queues for rentals but no money to rent 'cuz no job...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Feb.2019, 01:24 AM

Aaaaahhhh, the clay foot of paradise!!!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Feb.2019, 06:03 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 26.Feb.2019, 11:19 PM) *
You gave that up for money???

You cheated yourself!!!


What are you doing in America?. If you think your country is so great then what are you doing in the US?.


QUOTE (Bsmith @ 27.Feb.2019, 12:39 AM) *
No queues for rentals but no money to rent 'cuz no job...


Thanks to one of the members of this forum, I can put a word to how swedes solve critics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

We have high unemployment but at least we are not hypocrites who look the other way to real problems or simply keep quiet when it's not convenient.

Sweden is all about Whataboutism and downplaying problems it's pure hypocrisy. It's a country afraid of others that's why the whole system is so restricted and limited because you all know housing is key to be competitive and you all know what's happening.

That's dishonest, I will never think this is an honest country. Sickening mindset to be like that.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Feb.2019, 06:39 PM

What is better...to be poor and happy or rich and sad???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 27.Feb.2019, 06:48 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 27.Feb.2019, 07:39 PM) *
What is better...to be poor and happy or rich and sad???


So why are you still in America if you think your sweden is so great?.
Because you know your country is not so great. ;-)

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 27.Feb.2019, 07:26 PM

If Spain was soooooo great, then why did you leave???

Posted by: Bsmith 27.Feb.2019, 11:48 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 27.Feb.2019, 06:03 PM) *
l]

We have high unemployment but at least we are not hypocrites who look the other way to real problems or simply keep quiet when it's not convenient.

Sweden is all about Whataboutism and downplaying problems it's pure hypocrisy. It's a country afraid of others that's why the whole system is so restricted and limited because you all know housing is key to be competitive and you all know what's happening.

That's dishonest, I will never think this is an honest country. Sickening mindset to be like that.



Every country has it's pluses and minuses. You will never find the perfect place. If Sweden is where you can get work, then so be it. I will give you a small piece of advice that you can choose to take to heart or ignore:

If you are going to live in Sweden, then you will have to make peace with that decision. To be in a constant state of anger and blue funk is not going to serve you well. Figure out what the rules are and how the game is played and do your best to adjust. Otherwise you will never be happy.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 28.Feb.2019, 12:40 AM

That is probably the best advice that can be given to this person...I'm waiting for the way he accepts it...

Posted by: wallace1837 28.Feb.2019, 04:43 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 28.Feb.2019, 12:40 AM) *
That is probably the best advice that can be given to this person...I'm waiting for the way he accepts it...

Back to personal non sense. Remember this thread is about dysfunctional housing system in Sweden.

Now back to personal attack and whataboutism.

Posted by: skogsbo 28.Feb.2019, 06:50 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 27.Feb.2019, 10:48 PM) *
Every country has it's pluses and minuses. You will never find the perfect place. If Sweden is where you can get work, then so be it. I will give you a small piece of advice that you can choose to take to heart or ignore:

If you are going to live in Sweden, then you will have to make peace with that decision. To be in a constant state of anger and blue funk is not going to serve you well. Figure out what the rules are and how the game is played and do your best to adjust. Otherwise you will never be happy.

That tough choice; having a job in a country you don't like and being jobless in your perfect homeland.

I agree. No where us perfect. You just find what suits you and your interests in life. Constant complaining will just make a person ill.

Posted by: Bsmith 28.Feb.2019, 12:30 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 28.Feb.2019, 03:43 AM) *
Back to personal non sense. Remember this thread is about dysfunctional housing system in Sweden.

Now back to personal attack and whataboutism.



Not a personal attack at all. Just advice.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 28.Feb.2019, 01:12 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Feb.2019, 10:37 PM) *
So you admit... That's their goal with second hand rentals... ;-) Force people to take a loan and buy an apartment. I knew that from the first 3 months I lived in sweden. It's so... dishonest.

That's why the silence about the subject and almost nobody explains what second-hand contracts are.

That is what we call outside sweden a... MONOPOLY ;-)

In Spain no second-hand market, no black market, no queues of 10 years. FREE MARKET.

Excuses, excuses to promote an agenda ;-).

This is a very repressive system.


Worships free market. Complains when feeling the effect of supply and demand. You are starting to sound like the Swedish Employer's Association (Svenskt Näringsliv) who worship at the altar of the free market but then complain when people who have actual in demand skills are not interested in working for wages that a fast-food worker would reject.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 28.Feb.2019, 01:27 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 27.Feb.2019, 06:03 PM) *
What are you doing in America?. If you think your country is so great then what are you doing in the US?.




Thanks to one of the members of this forum, I can put a word to how swedes solve critics.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

We have high unemployment but at least we are not hypocrites who look the other way to real problems or simply keep quiet when it's not convenient.

Sweden is all about Whataboutism and downplaying problems it's pure hypocrisy. It's a country afraid of others that's why the whole system is so restricted and limited because you all know housing is key to be competitive and you all know what's happening.

That's dishonest, I will never think this is an honest country. Sickening mindset to be like that.


https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/09/12/inenglish/1536754843_359775.html
https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/06/12/inenglish/1528791452_780585.html
Yeah shure, no shady stuff going on anywhere else.

Posted by: wallace1837 1.Mar.2019, 12:58 AM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 28.Feb.2019, 02:12 PM) *
Worships free market. Complains when feeling the effect of supply and demand.

Swedish/queuing point are not part of a free market... You are confuse again. This thread is about the deep dysfunction of Swedish housing rental system.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 1.Mar.2019, 01:46 AM

But it is an excellent source of short term accommodations, just like a hotel...

Posted by: skogsbo 1.Mar.2019, 06:40 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 28.Feb.2019, 11:58 PM) *
Swedish/queuing point are not part of a free market... You are confuse again. This thread is about the deep dysfunction of Swedish housing rental system.

Where is the perfect system sweden should copy?

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 1.Mar.2019, 07:13 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 1.Mar.2019, 12:58 AM) *
Swedish/queuing point are not part of a free market... You are confuse again. This thread is about the deep dysfunction of Swedish housing rental system.


Second hand rentals is very much free market.

Posted by: Svedallas 1.Mar.2019, 11:31 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 24.Feb.2019, 04:46 PM) *
https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/efter-35-olika-andrahandsboenden-har-caroline-fatt-ett-hem



This story might sound extreme, but this is the average life for those who can't afford to buy or haven't been lucky enough to get a first hand contract.
She was born here and despite sweden having the highest taxes in the world, this system cannot provide her with stable accommodation so she can live a normal life.

Now just imagine an immigrant who doesn't know the system and doesn't have the money to buy an apartment. Do you really think that immigrant can compete and last in a country that systematically makes his/her life impossible by making him/her having to move to new overpriced accommodation 3 times a year?!.


You should leave Sweden, since you are so miserable here.

At least then the apartment you are staying in could go to someone who wants to be here...you miserable shit.

Posted by: intrepidfox 1.Mar.2019, 08:05 PM

The problem is that no rental flats are being built and recently in Stockholm, the builders were forced to buy their own flats as they are not being sold. Another problem is that asylum seekers get priority.

Basically Sweden is fucked, not just the rental market but everything else.

R.I.P.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 09:15 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 1.Mar.2019, 12:31 PM) *
you miserable shit.


Projecting again?.

That's a national sport here in sweden.

You are just a dishonest person living in your imaginary world and gets upset when someone removes that fake mirror and shows you the misery of finding apartment in the most over protective country on earth.

You all get passive violent when your culture gets caught with this dirty and dishonest pyramid scheme

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 1.Mar.2019, 12:31 PM) *
you miserable shit.


I couldn't expect anything better from a sad person who has this forum as his only way to interact with other people.

Amazing how passive aggressive you all get when getting caught with the pyramid scheme.

I see this whole thing will end in catastrophe. Really a massive catastrophe because you all are building such a negative karma in sweden.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 09:20 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 1.Mar.2019, 09:05 PM) *
The problem is that no rental flats are being built and recently in Stockholm, the builders were forced to buy their own flats as they are not being sold. Another problem is that asylum seekers get priority.

Basically Sweden is fucked, not just the rental market but everything else.

R.I.P.


Not only that, but sweden will lose it all, including their jobs because in a global economy there is a ton of people out there who can do what a swede does for less money and way faster.

Sweden is obviously an overprotective country and housing is just one signal that they are not an open culture quite the opposite.

sweden had a good time but their own system will destroy their country. housing is a massive scheme and very dishonest because everybody knows the consequences of the second hand market and the queues.

This is a very dishonest system and the worst part as you can see in this comment section is that they make fun of it, look the other way or act in a super passive aggressive way. Because after all a criminal doesn't like being caught doing it.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 1.Mar.2019, 12:31 PM) *
you miserable shit.


See?.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 1.Mar.2019, 09:23 PM

I think Spain is a wonderful country...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 09:40 PM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 1.Mar.2019, 01:58 AM) *
Swedish/queuing point are not part of a free market... You are confuse again. This thread is about the deep dysfunction of Swedish housing rental system.


Recently I met someone who said to me that ...this is a great opportunity to take advantage of people who need apartment urgently and just charge whatever money he wanted. The thing is he was not only making fun of people who are desperate but saw them as a good way to take advantage of them.

That comment made me think swedes and the immigrants who follow their same thinking are not good people because good people don't smile when they here some immigrants struggle to survive in sweden due to housing.

This is the real sweden in the real daily life.

Truly good people try to help others, that includes creating a housing system that serves the public not sink them to the bottom or make them feel stressed or in economic distress. That's not what happens in sweden.
Sweden creates a system that pushes some people to the economic bankrupt and some of these swedes make fun of them as it has happened to me.

Only a dishonest person would defend this system. Maybe that's why I am having such a hard time, because I am a really good person not a hypocritical one who looks the other way and pretend nothing is happening and then go home and laugh quietly like many do in this country.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 09:44 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 1.Mar.2019, 10:23 PM) *
I think Spain is a wonderful country...


It takes intelligence to see and it takes courage and confidence to face a problem. Something you will never have or your sweden has.

Now keep repeating the same sentence like a robot, that's the best you can do.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 09:52 PM

Another article explaning this housing crisis not only affects big cities but small towns with just 70,000 people.

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/luleas-bostadsbrist-kan-bli-hett-amne-i-kvallens-opinion-live

QUOTE
The subject of housing shortage is much more than just a metropolitan issue today as many smaller municipalities also suffer from the lack of housing, such as Luleå.


QUOTE
During Thursday's Opinion Live in SVT, among other things, the young people's challenges with the housing shortage were discussed and several Luleå residents were on a link from Kulturens Hus in Luleå.


Just imagine how bad the situation is that even a small town with just 70,000 people in the most northen area of sweden admits they are having issues to find accommodation to people.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 1.Mar.2019, 08:13 AM) *
Second hand rentals is very much free market.



No, free market doesn't put restrictions on how long an owner can rent out his apartment.
In sweden people are not free to rent out their apartment for whatever time they want.
And please stop misleading the world about second hand rentals. Most contracts are 3,6 months like the article I posted at the beginning of this thread.

The thing is you are defending what cannot be defended and that's why sweden one day will collapse, for real, sweden will collapse. Because you are building the worst karma possible. This is pure dishonesty.

It takes a lot of dishonesty to say second hand rentals are free market but to be honest I am not surprised, this a a country with a very very dark shadow, where many smile to this problem because they know what's actually happening. I guess only people with that thinking are truly happy here.

Posted by: skogsbo 1.Mar.2019, 10:18 PM

Free market means the landlord can decide how long the tenancy is. Not the tenant.

Posted by: Svedallas 1.Mar.2019, 11:10 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 1.Mar.2019, 10:06 PM) *
No, free market doesn't put restrictions on how long an owner can rent out his apartment.
In sweden people are not free to rent out their apartment for whatever time they want.
And please stop misleading the world about second hand rentals. Most contracts are 3,6 months like the article I posted at the beginning of this thread.

The thing is you are defending what cannot be defended and that's why sweden one day will collapse, for real, sweden will collapse. Because you are building the worst karma possible. This is pure dishonesty.

It takes a lot of dishonesty to say second hand rentals are free market but to be honest I am not surprised, this a a country with a very very dark shadow, where many smile to this problem because they know what's actually happening. I guess only people with that thinking are truly happy here.


No one would rent to you.
You are an idiot.

This is why you rant? Well seems to me you would be a complete nightmare of a tenant.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 11:32 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 1.Mar.2019, 11:18 PM) *
Free market means the landlord can decide how long the tenancy is. Not the tenant.



Here an answer from your boyfriend svedallas.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 1.Mar.2019, 12:23 PM) *
By law you can only rent for MAXIMUM 2 years.
You will never be able to rent long term.

Unless you buy (with cash deposit of at least minimum 20% of the sale price), or you get a first hand contract, which is now at least 8 year minimum waiting list to get something outside the city.

You will be asked to leave your apartment at least 3-6 months prior the 2 year mark, just so you know.

It sounds like you are renting illegally. You risk being asked to leave in short notice, and your landlord will lose their contract.

You best option is to buy, otherwise, prepare to move continuously.


But in sweden due to regulations the landlord CANNOT DECIDE how long the tenancy is.

I don't know if you are manipulating the facts in a malevolent way just because you are doing it on purpose or you are simply plain ignorant about how the system works in sweden.

Second hand rentals have a limitation. Landlords cannot rent out in most cases longer than 1 year. That's one of the reasons why second hand is supposed to be short term. That's why people are forced to move as in the article stated at the beginning.

You sound quiet ignorant about the subject. Maybe you do it on purpose because you are a bad person with a corrupt soul or maybe it's just you are not smart enough.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 2.Mar.2019, 12:10 AM) *
No one would rent to you.
You are an idiot.

This is why you rant? Well seems to me you would be a complete nightmare of a tenant.


I am very smart, something you lack of.
You keep moving in circles with just insults and cheap excuses and no valid arguments.

You sound old and slow.

Every single one of your comments show the culture sweden is. Passive aggression when getting caught. Hypocritical attitude to real problems. You suck as a human being.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 2.Mar.2019, 12:10 AM) *
You are an idiot.


Every single one of your insults defines your true personality. If you read most of my comments speak about a subject that is real and affects people's lives.

I can understand why you fit so well in sweden. Obviously you are like most of them.

Sweden is headed for disaster and when you are sinking you will still blame others or look the other way.

Now keep insulting. Come on, that's all you can do. And banning people when they speak the truth.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 1.Mar.2019, 11:46 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 1.Mar.2019, 12:23 PM) *
By law you can only rent for MAXIMUM 2 years.
You will never be able to rent long term.

You best option is to buy, otherwise, prepare to move continuously.



Is svedallas only in this thread as a troll?

So in another post he admits that second hand rentals have these limitations but then he comes here saying something else.

Does he have double personality or he is simply a machiavellian person?.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Mar.2019, 12:19 AM

Are there a lot of people living outdoors in Sweden???

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 12:30 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Mar.2019, 01:19 AM) *
Are there a lot of people living outdoors in Sweden???



No but many moving 35 times in 10 years like the lady in that article.

You are simply a lunatic. Seriously, I true lunatic. I am aware that scandinavians are prone to have mental illness like narcissism and other things but you have to read your own comments. I don't know if it's just you and swedallas are just too old and can't make the proper mind connections or simply you are a one of those crazy people who enjoy teasing others just for fun, which if it's the second I wouldn't be surprised.

Read the article!. People out there move every 3 months to a new apartment because this system is a joke!.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Mar.2019, 12:42 AM

When you ask and say things, your replies have the same seriousness and intent commiserate with your uttering...

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 12:50 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Mar.2019, 01:42 AM) *
When you ask and say things, your replies have the same seriousness and intent commiserate with your uttering...


The system must be full of criminals when someone lives in a country in which he/she has to move 35 times in 10 year in order to find a place to live.

That is truly a crime.

Posted by: wallace1837 2.Mar.2019, 02:23 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 1.Mar.2019, 10:18 PM) *
Free market means the landlord can decide how long the tenancy is. Not the tenant.

Nor the state.

Posted by: wallace1837 2.Mar.2019, 02:32 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 1.Mar.2019, 11:46 PM) *
Is svedallas only in this thread as a troll?

Ask yourself this question. What would TheLocal do to keep ads revenue from the forum going? What would they do if the traffic gets low? A controversy may help. What if there is no controversy and argument, would it cost more to produce one, than the revenue in traffic/ads? What would a rational business do in that context?

You can now read the posts of some users in that context.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Mar.2019, 04:29 AM

The users are replying to your controversial posts, they are not creating a controversy...

You are!!!

Posted by: skogsbo 2.Mar.2019, 06:57 AM

Pep,
2 years that's the contract. No reason why the landlord has to move a tenant on. They could just remain on notice, or renew the contract. The rule you partially quote protects the tenant as much a landlord from locking them into a very long contract.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 10:53 AM

QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 2.Mar.2019, 03:32 AM) *
Ask yourself this question. What would TheLocal do to keep ads revenue from the forum going? What would they do if the traffic gets low? A controversy may help. What if there is no controversy and argument, would it cost more to produce one, than the revenue in traffic/ads? What would a rational business do in that context?

You can now read the posts of some users in that context.



After reading svedallas post in another thread
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=94047&st=0&p=940565&#entry940565

That confirmed he is a perfect troll. All this time he has been denying there was a problem at all regarding second hands. Then read his comment in the other thread.

But if you ask me, svedallas behavior is very swedish. During the time I have been working with swedes they can be very hypocritical and not admit problems that are right in front of them, deny them, trying to manipulate the facts, which is also very swedish... the manipulation things. They can even brag about it and see as something cool or funny. Just imagine what their moral values are. ;-)

But then one day you realize they could see the problem too and they were just hiding.

In my town we call that malevolence and dishonesty. I see that a lot of that in this country. A swede hiding from the fence and watching and then they jump when it's convenient.

I cannot see sweden is a country of honest people, very much the opposite, svedallas behavior is the typical one of someone with a bad, dark soul, who enjoys teasing people just for fun. He must truly suck as a person.

Now you wonder why the immigrants who don't like swedes say they are fake and backstabbers. That kind of behavior is embedded in the culture and svedallas just adopted it. He can switch sides as convenient because that's what he learnt here in sweden.

sweden is a dark country, and not just the weather. Just imagine having to work with svedallas and having a guy who changes arguments just to bother others. What a miserable mind that person must have.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 11:00 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 2.Mar.2019, 07:57 AM) *
Pep,
2 years that's the contract. No reason why the landlord has to move a tenant on. They could just remain on notice, or renew the contract. The rule you partially quote protects the tenant as much a landlord from locking them into a very long contract.


Again, you keep manipulating reality.

read the article

QUOTE
"After 35 different second-hand homes, Caroline has got a home"

"She(Caroline) has moved around in second-hand apartments or rooms along all the commuter trains to get somewhere to live with her son. In total, she expects it to have 35 different addresses in ten years."


"- I have lived in Knivsta, Märsta, Haninge, Västerhaninge, Rågsved, Hammarbyhöjden. Yes, there are several places in Märsta.
She has been in a queue since she was 18 and has a permanent job as a waitress but it has not been enough to get either a rent or a loan to buy a home."

"- I have not been able to save, I was single and would pay food and often very high rent. When it was the worst, my son often said "When should we move again now, Mom? Can I unpack my toys? ”You never know when you can move again. You are constantly looking for a new accommodation."

"- Everyone wants money, everyone wants to have as much as possible. Last time when I paid 10,000 a month in Upplands Väsby, for a one in 27 square. Then I felt that now it must be enough, after all, others will come after me, now I register them to the Renting Committee. But the energy was not there."

"But then, when Caroline had almost given up, she finally got a first-hand contract through a friend who lives with a private host."


See?. That's the average in sweden for second hands.

3,6 month contracts in average.

If you want to convince the world second hand rentals are two years and then continue, I must tell you, you are a liar because that's not true.

The levels of hypocrisy in this country never stop surprising me.

Never seen this kind of twisted and manipulative behavior. Everytime I read you comments I wonder how terrible person you must be in the real world. Seriously.

But sweden is no good country, most hypocritical thing I have experience.

How can you live like that?. I mean supporting fakeness and lies?. I guess you have to have no soul and have no moral compass.

You truly suck as a human being. For real.

Posted by: skogsbo 2.Mar.2019, 11:46 AM

Pep... I don't know what you expect? You want a contract for years, then you'll complain you can't move if you find work elsewhere.

6mth contract is pretty normal in any country, then 1 months notice. I don't know of many who have longer, but I know many that have rented for years in same property. You don't have fixed contract to stay beyond, you just drop onto the notice period. Or renew 6 monthly. It offers most flex to tenant and owner.

What are the rules in wonderful Spain, your benchmark for all things fantastic(apart from actually having any jobs)????

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 12:21 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 2.Mar.2019, 12:46 PM) *
Pep... I don't know what you expect? You want a contract for years, then you'll complain you can't move if you find work elsewhere.

6mth contract is pretty normal in any country, then 1 months notice. I don't know of many who have longer, but I know many that have rented for years in same property. You don't have fixed contract to stay beyond, you just drop onto the notice period. Or renew 6 monthly. It offers most flex to tenant and owner.

What are the rules in wonderful Spain, your benchmark for all things fantastic(apart from actually having any jobs)????


The article explains what the average in sweden is which is not the average in Spain. In Spain people don't have to move every 3 months because we don't have second hand contracts.

The problem is very real and what's happening in sweden is not the average in the rest of the world. Lucky us.

Spain is wonderful and better than sweden to to live if it wasn't because of lack of jobs proof of that is we are the second most visited country and a lot of people wants to live there.
Let's be honest sweden is boring and if people made 1000€ a month then this country would be a cold desert where nobody would want to move in. The only value this country offers is to make 2000€ month minimum for doing little because let's be honest people don't work that hard in sweden.

You keep repeating the same lies. I don't know if you do it because you are a troll like svedallas or simply you are a plain liar. But I only see dishonesty and malevolence in each one of your comments. You suck as a human being, you must have such low standards and moral.
Do you look yourself in the mirror?. holy cow, Your soul is rotten to keep repeating the same lies.

Posted by: Bsmith 2.Mar.2019, 01:17 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 2.Mar.2019, 12:21 PM) *
.

Spain is wonderful and better than sweden to to live if it wasn't because of lack of jobs proof of that is we are the second most visited country and a lot of people wants to live there.
Let's be honest sweden is boring and if people made 1000€ a month then this country would be a cold desert where nobody would want to move in.


Then why aren't you there?

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 2.Mar.2019, 01:21 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 1.Mar.2019, 09:40 PM) *
... Maybe that's why I am having such a hard time, because I am a really good person not a hypocritical one who looks the other way and pretend nothing is happening and then go home and laugh quietly like many do in this country.


Just like the lamentations of the "Nice Guy" who have to keep on saying how nice he is, you have to keep talking about how good you are.

Posted by: Svedallas 2.Mar.2019, 01:41 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Mar.2019, 01:17 PM) *
Then why aren't you there?


Pepito is a miserable human being, with no friends or life in Sweden.


Notice how much time is spent posting long posts. Pepito cannot possibly have a life.
As I said before Pepito is in need of therapy, and these posts are a clear cry for serious psychological help.


GET HELP! Your posts are miserable and annoying.
This forum should NOT be used to make you feel better about yourself. It is a forum for real discussions. Nothing you have said is what we do not already know. You idiot.

GET A LIFE or GET HELP.

Stop posting useless threads. SEEK THERAPY ASAP!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 01:51 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Mar.2019, 02:17 PM) *
Then why aren't you there?



Did you read my comment?. You didn't

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 02:07 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 2.Mar.2019, 02:41 PM) *
Pepito is a miserable human being, with no friends or life in Sweden.


Notice how much time is spent posting long posts. Pepito cannot possibly have a life.
As I said before Pepito is in need of therapy, and these posts are a clear cry for serious psychological help.


GET HELP! Your posts are miserable and annoying.
This forum should NOT be used to make you feel better about yourself. It is a forum for real discussions. Nothing you have said is what we do not already know. You idiot.

GET A LIFE or GET HELP.

Stop posting useless threads. SEEK THERAPY ASAP!


You are nothing but a troll.

In this post you admit that I was right
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=94047&st=0&p=940565&#entry940565

But then in the rest of post you deny any issues.

I spend my time destroying your poor and pathetic arguments of an old man who lives in this forum and has no other means of communication.
I have a life but this forum is my way to show the world that sweden is LIE.


Everysingle one of your comments only show the low values you have. That's it.
You made a comment in the other thread admiting the housing system is a trap but then you keep contradicting me like if the problem didn't exist. What kind of mentally perturbed person are you?.You act as a troll. and trolls are usually psychos.
To me you sound like one of them. Nothing new in sweden.

Read this article maybe you discover something about yourself.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists

Go to the doctor and tell them all the shit you say in this forum about other people just for fun. That is pathetic.

All your insults all the degrading comments coming from you are a reflection what sweden is and all the hypocrisy of a country that is doing something wrong but they get upset when they are caught.

As I said you are a very poor human being. And your comment in the previous thread showed me that in this country you have a different face for every person. SO FAKE.

Then face to face you all shit your pants unless you come 20 vs 1.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 02:19 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 2.Mar.2019, 02:21 PM) *
Just like the lamentations of the "Nice Guy" who have to keep on saying how nice he is, you have to keep talking about how good you are.


You are just butt hurted because someone is showing you how corrupt your system is.

What amazes me is that every single citizen is a collaborator. They must have brainwashed you pretty good so you can believe their lies.

Posted by: Svedallas 2.Mar.2019, 02:32 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 2.Mar.2019, 02:19 PM) *
You are just butt hurted because someone is showing you how corrupt your system is.

What amazes me is that every single citizen is a collaborator. They must have brainwashed you pretty good so you can believe their lies.


Your English is terrible.

Instead of posting useless posts, get an English book, please.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 02:47 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 2.Mar.2019, 03:32 PM) *
Your English is terrible.

Instead of posting useless posts, get an English book, please.



As I said just imagine how low end you are that you now need to attack other people's grammar.
Here in scandinavian they all use the same tactic as you do. Always dismissing problems, always degrading other people's education and background.
Your attitude is a reflection of the true swedish culture.
Now you attack my grammar. You see... predictable.

Your whole tactic is based on dismissing and passive aggression... which is what sweden does to divert the attention.

Again checkout this site, you will learn things about yourself.
https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/your-online-secrets/201409/internet-trolls-are-narcissists-psychopaths-and-sadists


You know... an old man like you won't stop me. Because I will never stop telling the world what I have seen in sweden. This country is just marketing.


Look.. the misery of finding apartment in sweden.



https://www.svt.se/nyheter/lokalt/norrbotten/luleas-bostadsbrist-kan-bli-hett-amne-i-kvallens-opinion-live

QUOTE
The subject of housing shortage is much more than just a metropolitan issue today as many smaller municipalities also suffer from the lack of housing, such as Luleå.


QUOTE
During Thursday's Opinion Live in SVT, among other things, the young people's challenges with the housing shortage were discussed and several Luleå residents were on a link from Kulturens Hus in Luleå.


Luleå is a town with just 70,000 people and they can't find apartments.
But hey mr svedallas needs to check my grammar.

Not even in my home town we ever had these problems.
Now keep looking the other way...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Mar.2019, 04:07 PM

I may be wrong but I think you are not too happy with the real estate market other than what you are used to in wonderful Spain...

Am I right???

Posted by: skogsbo 2.Mar.2019, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 2.Mar.2019, 11:21 AM) *
The article explains what the average in sweden is which is not the average in Spain. In Spain people don't have to move every 3 months because we don't have second hand contracts.

The problem is very real and what's happening in sweden is not the average in the rest of the world. Lucky us.

Spain is wonderful and better than sweden to to live if it wasn't because of lack of jobs proof of that is we are the second most visited country and a lot of people wants to live there.
Let's be honest sweden is boring and if people made 1000€ a month then this country would be a cold desert where nobody would want to move in. The only value this country offers is to make 2000€ month minimum for doing little because let's be honest people don't work that hard in sweden.

You keep repeating the same lies. I don't know if you do it because you are a troll like svedallas or simply you are a plain liar. But I only see dishonesty and malevolence in each one of your comments. You suck as a human being, you must have such low standards and moral.
Do you look yourself in the mirror?. holy cow, Your soul is rotten to keep repeating the same lies.

Regardless of what you think etc.. the difference is I'm happy and you are not. That is the problem YOU need to fix. And it is YOUR problem, not Sweden's or anybody elses. It won't fix itself by ranting here either.

Posted by: Svedallas 2.Mar.2019, 04:14 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Mar.2019, 04:07 PM) *
I may be wrong but I think you are not too happy with the real estate market other than what you are used to in wonderful Spain...

Am I right???


Gamla, this person is just mentally deranged.

Why bother responding? Just plain idiotic, and miserable.
Pepito and Wallace should be best friends and get married so they can be miserable together.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 04:17 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 2.Mar.2019, 05:14 PM) *
Gamla, this person is just mentally deranged.

Why bother responding? Just plain idiotic, and miserable.
Pepito and Wallace should be best friends and get married so they can be miserable together.


Take your viagra pills you old man and have a duo with gamla.


The only thing you do in this forum is to dismiss any critic and insult others.

You are just a troll, on one post you admit there is problem but then you keep trolling with insults and degrading people.
https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=94047&st=0&p=940565&#entry940565

Posted by: Bsmith 2.Mar.2019, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 2.Mar.2019, 12:51 PM) *
Did you read my comment?. You didn't



Which one? You've posted so many. You say that there are no jobs in Spain but a daughter of a Swedish friend of mine goes there each summer and gets a job as a bartender. With all the tourists coming to Spain, there should be many opportunities to earn money.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 2.Mar.2019, 06:16 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 2.Mar.2019, 02:19 PM) *
You are just butt hurted because someone is showing you how corrupt your system is.

What amazes me is that every single citizen is a collaborator. They must have brainwashed you pretty good so you can believe their lies.


You are misstaken. I do hate the system. In particular I hate the system where I am supposed to hear about "invaluable" "world class" master engineers with almost two decades of experience making barely more than a fresh graduate, or "world class" "peerless" programmers making less than a fastfood worker. And I hate how all these "world class" this and that act as if the swedish people and governement has given them some kind of promise that if they work as slave labour for 4 years they will be handed a permanent residency permit automatically.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 2.Mar.2019, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Mar.2019, 06:00 PM) *
Which one? You've posted so many. You say that there are no jobs in Spain but a daughter of a Swedish friend of mine goes there each summer and gets a job as a bartender. With all the tourists coming to Spain, there should be many opportunities to earn money.


It depends what you want, if you want to work in the service industry or tourism or delivery guy then, you will find a job.

Sure, I have met brits living and working in Spain, actually despite the salaries are lower they prefer to live and work there. Some work as English teachers or bartender and jobs related to tourism. Sure if you are open you will find something.

But if you have an education and you want more than just working in a service job then things can get a bit more difficult. it's not impossible but it depends where you are looking for.

Also regarding housing, Spain is much easier to find rentals, we don't have these 6 months second hand thing. Everything is more open than in sweden.
If you go to Madrid or Barcelona then you might have some issues but in no way the queues and second hand we see in sweden.

What I see in sweden is limitations and excuses for everything. To be honest sweden is more difficult to live in than Spain. And the second-hand rental is getting more and more expensive and it has no security because many are short term, and that is something a lot of people don't say about sweden, how short term accommodation is in this country. Just see svedallas rants. He knows that everything I say it's true but he denies it. why?. In sweden people can insult your intelligence because they are prone to build alternate realities where everything is perfect.

To me Spain is a million times better but with the exception of jobs, which is most likely the worst part but still as you said if you are not picky then it won't matter much.

Posted by: skogsbo 2.Mar.2019, 06:30 PM

Pep.

So to summarise. Spain has a surplus of accommodation because the economy isn't good and there are no jobs.

Sweden has jobs, economics are not too bad, so everyone else in Europe comes here for work and expects the red carpet treatment.

Posted by: Bsmith 2.Mar.2019, 09:54 PM

When I lived in Sweden, I bought a house. I had some money saved up and got a real solid, little house on 7 hectares for 690000 SEK which at that time the dollar was 1 to 10. It was a good deal. But the job situation was difficult. I managed to get a job but not in my field and at a fairly low rate of pay, I thought. So, I didn't stay.

I didn't complain. I didn't whine. I didn't try to make Sweden be any more than it was. I assessed the situation and decided to move back home and am very happy with that choice.

I wish the best for you and hope that you can find happiness, too.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 12:38 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 2.Mar.2019, 07:30 PM) *
Pep.

So to summarise. Spain has a surplus of accommodation because the economy isn't good and there are no jobs.

Sweden has jobs, economics are not too bad, so everyone else in Europe comes here for work and expects the red carpet treatment.


You are a compulsive liar and a simplistic person. Lunatic.

Spain has an open market for housing, sweden is a monopoly.
Sweden has a monopolistic, corrupt rental market full of restrictions that's why rental market is such a pyramid scheme. Which you defend.

Spain is the second most visited country on earth and despite it they can keep up and offer choices something your mighty sweden can't.

Sweden is actually a very isolated place in fact is not even among the most visited in Europe and despite it they can't even offer decent rental market. Just imagine how poor the system is.


You are an absolute manipulator, nothing new about life in sweden.
Lucky us the world doesn't care about you. ;-)

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 01:09 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Mar.2019, 10:54 PM) *
When I lived in Sweden, I bought a house. I had some money saved up and got a real solid, little house on 7 hectares for 690000 SEK which at that time the dollar was 1 to 10. It was a good deal. But the job situation was difficult. I managed to get a job but not in my field and at a fairly low rate of pay, I thought. So, I didn't stay.

I didn't complain. I didn't whine. I didn't try to make Sweden be any more than it was. I assessed the situation and decided to move back home and am very happy with that choice.

I wish the best for you and hope that you can find happiness, too.


I will eventually move to Spain.

I cannot take this repressive society in which people must fit-in.

People here act in ways I have never seen in my life. Very closed culture and a lot of collaborators who will defend the system even if they have to manipulate and lie. Just see svedallas and skogsbo comments, it's all manipulation and false information. These are the people who will feel like at home in sweden.

It's shocking how the average swede tries to make excuses for problems that affect them too. It's like if they have been passively brainwashed to follow the system without question. Sweden is the only country in which when I made a critic swedes turn red faced. It's like a passive dictatorship with the advantage every single swede will defend the system. CRAZY. The perfect society for those who want absolute control.

Interesting the world thinks these swedes are progressive when it's the opposite.

Posted by: john.boy 3.Mar.2019, 07:31 AM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 1.Mar.2019, 11:32 PM) *
But in sweden due to regulations the landlord CANNOT DECIDE how long the tenancy is.

Second hand rentals have a limitation. Landlords cannot rent out in most cases longer than 1 year. That's one of the reasons why second hand is supposed to be short term. That's why people are forced to move as in the article stated at the beginning.

Incorrect.
There is no law that limits the time a Landlord can rent out an apartment they own.

And the article mentioned in the opening post is a classic example highlighting that first hand contracts do not have to be offered on any queue. Rental companies can choose if they want to put apartments onto a queue or not.

Posted by: skogsbo 3.Mar.2019, 08:23 AM

Pep

What on earth does how many tourists a country has have to do with any of this?

So Spain, lots of tourists, fantastic housing system, dire economy. Can't win them all eh!?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 11:45 AM

QUOTE (john.boy @ 3.Mar.2019, 08:31 AM) *
Incorrect.
There is no law that limits the time a Landlord can rent out an apartment they own.

And the article mentioned in the opening post is a classic example highlighting that first hand contracts do not have to be offered on any queue. Rental companies can choose if they want to put apartments onto a queue or not.


The article represents average life for people who live in second hand. Everything else is just people and collaborators trying to hide what's actually happening in sweden.
I know you are all in "the sect" but the facts are the facts and the second hand market is short term contracts of 6 months max.

Sweden is going to crash it is just a matter of time.

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 3.Mar.2019, 09:23 AM) *
Pep

What on earth does how many tourists a country has have to do with any of this?

So Spain, lots of tourists, fantastic housing system, dire economy. Can't win them all eh!?


Spain is a friendly country to everybody, sweden is not.

As I said we don't have second hand short term contracts, sweden has designed that trap because they want to force people take a loan and buy. That's the pyramid scheme sweden has.

Sweden is not an open country.

Sweden is an isolated, dark, almost empty place and not even the most visited and despite that sweden has a poor, monopolistic housing system that cannot provide stable accommodation not even for their own people. Just imagine if sweden had the same number of visitors as Spain, then you country will collapse and it certainty will. Even though I know you will backstab Spain with a smile in your face.

sweden has the highest taxes in the world and despite it, it has the poorest and most undeveloped housing system. For what you pay in taxes you get very little in return, plus a poor and undeveloped banana like republic housing system. That's it a casino.

sweden is only marketing and thanks to collaborators like you and mr svedallas the old ranter the lie can go on until eventually sweden will crash. The crash will happen.

Now keep convincing yourself that Spain is such a terrible place because we make less money. I know swedes measure people by the salary they make. making €2000+ a month in sweden is the only value you all have. That's it. you all have no life, only the egocentric mindset that you are better than others because you paycheck is higher.

And you as a person and reading your comments...No wonder why you are so happy in sweden. Shit you behave like a perfect manipulator. Nothing new in this country.

Posted by: skogsbo 3.Mar.2019, 12:10 PM

You need to read better. I didn't say Spain was a bad place, I said their economy isn't good. Two different things.

Yes, sweden has a smaller population and is much quieter. So what.

Put on svt1 now and you'll see 15000 people out enjoying themselves along with a few thousand happy supporters cheering them on.

Sweden is what you make it and you only live once. Don't waste it.

Ps. If anywhere doesn't care what you earn it's here.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 3.Mar.2019, 12:49 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 3.Mar.2019, 01:09 AM) *
I will eventually move to Spain.

I cannot take this repressive society in which people must fit-in.

People here act in ways I have never seen in my life. Very closed culture and a lot of collaborators who will defend the system even if they have to manipulate and lie. Just see svedallas and skogsbo comments, it's all manipulation and false information. These are the people who will feel like at home in sweden.

It's shocking how the average swede tries to make excuses for problems that affect them too. It's like if they have been passively brainwashed to follow the system without question. Sweden is the only country in which when I made a critic swedes turn red faced. It's like a passive dictatorship with the advantage every single swede will defend the system. CRAZY. The perfect society for those who want absolute control.

Interesting the world thinks these swedes are progressive when it's the opposite.


You maybe right in many things you say, but what is your intention to do something about it. Its no good comming on this forum moaning, its like talking to the ally cat, you need to talk to the 10 million people of Sweden and try to change their ways. So unless you intend to do this I would not take this any further.
Good luck in Spain, I bet they cant wait to meet you.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 03:07 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 3.Mar.2019, 01:10 PM) *
You need to read better. I didn't say Spain was a bad place, I said their economy isn't good. Two different things.

Yes, sweden has a smaller population and is much quieter. So what.

Put on svt1 now and you'll see 15000 people out enjoying themselves along with a few thousand happy supporters cheering them on.

Sweden is what you make it and you only live once. Don't waste it.

Ps. If anywhere doesn't care what you earn it's here.



If there is a place in which I have heard jokes about southern people because they make money it's in sweden.

Here there is a sentiment that swedes feel superior than other cultures just because wages are higher and that gives them a sense of superiority. It's not my opinion, it's the jokes about my culture are always related to that point.

I see a lot of hidden arrogance in this country. Everybody hides the true them, everybody pretends to be progressive and tolerant but it's just BS.

I met people from other countries but in sweden I have seen that sense or we are better than you just because they make €2000 a month.

But this is a culture that is good at hidding and pretending problems are not real.
"We are the best country on earth". They repeat it a million times and then one day when it's no longer convinient silence and if you tell me they will deny they ever said that.
That's sweden.

This country is really good a marketing an image manipulation. One day they say something and then the other day deny it.

I cannot stand fakeness and superficial people or looking the other way when the whole system is an organized monopoly.



QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 3.Mar.2019, 01:49 PM) *
You maybe right in many things you say, but what is your intention to do something about it. Its no good comming on this forum moaning, its like talking to the ally cat, you need to talk to the 10 million people of Sweden and try to change their ways. So unless you intend to do this I would not take this any further.
Good luck in Spain, I bet they cant wait to meet you.


So you propose to just shut up and look the other way?.

It's the typical conformist mindset of "shut up".
If everybody complained then something will be done, but with your mindset of don't say anything of course bussines as usual.

In Spain we speak about the real problems that affect us. Spain is the opposite than sweden in that regard. You apparently don't know about my culture. There people raise their voice and forums are way more open to do critics.

In sweden they will tell you to shut up as you do it now.

People think swedes are progressive but it's a lie, this is the most repressive country in Europe and people seem to agree because individuals are not allowed to raise too many inconvenient questions.

But I agree with you this country won't change because this is passive mind control and the people have been indoctrinated to shut up and look the other way since they are very young.

Sweden is an ultra closed society with a top always watching and spying on individuals.
There is criticism because people are afraid of being kicked out from the group. Passive repression. Not my style.

Posted by: skogsbo 3.Mar.2019, 03:54 PM

Pep... the wages you describe aren't that much and aren't really an example of a high achiever. So there are no bragging rights in any western or northern European country. Swedes know that wages are generally relative to cost of living, so I don't think anyone gets excited about that salary. I

Where sweden differs is the work life balance. But sweden clearly isn't for you, be it the work place, the culture, the climate. Countries vary and success is finding what suits you, that is the best country as we are all different.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Mar.2019, 05:38 PM

The Saga continues...

The only game in town...

Is this the best we can do???

Posted by: Bsmith 3.Mar.2019, 05:51 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 3.Mar.2019, 03:54 PM) *
Countries vary and success is finding what suits you, that is the best country as we are all different.



Exactly. Find what works for you. As bad as you claim Sweden to be, it is not a prison. You are free to leave.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 06:27 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 3.Mar.2019, 06:38 PM) *
The Saga continues...

The only game in town...

Is this the best we can do???


So far you have done nothing old man, just play ball with the mafia.


QUOTE (Bsmith @ 3.Mar.2019, 06:51 PM) *
Exactly. Find what works for you. As bad as you claim Sweden to be, it is not a prison. You are free to leave.


Agree on that. I am trying to find solutions.
I think as always finding a job is the only problem. And that small problem is what shapes our lives and many decisions we make.

If you made 100k euros a year doing something that doesn't require having a job, would you be in sweden?. unsure.gif

There are better countries to live in and I am not referring to Spain. Germany, the UK, are very interesting ones. I have met people from my own country living in the middle east and south America and it worked for them.

But you have to agree with me sweden is not precisely an open country and this housing thing is pure monopoly.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 3.Mar.2019, 06:43 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 3.Mar.2019, 03:07 PM) *
So you propose to just shut up and look the other way?.

No, you need to read. I told you what to do and that is get on your box and tell Sweden that it is full of numpty wankers and that YOU are going to put things right. DONT blame anyone but yourself.

You are a troll anyway.

Go on, off to Spain.
When your there let us know if you need any help putting that country right too.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 06:50 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 3.Mar.2019, 07:43 PM) *
No, you need to read. I told you what to do and that is get on your box and tell Sweden that it is full of numpty wankers and that YOU are going to put things right. DONT blame anyone but yourself.

You are a troll anyway.

Go on, off to Spain.
When your there let us know if you need any help putting that country right too.



In sweden when someone tells thing straight that person is hate speech or a troll.

The thing is you feel comfortable with living in a country that has a monopolistic housing system that crashes people who cannot buy and then tell the people who raise questions that they are just trolls or like svedallas he calls me "miserable shit" but no moderator bans him from this forum.
But this is sweden and svedallas is allowed to insult because he plays with the system.

But sure thing I cannot change the minds of brainwashed people who think there is no problem at all or simply they look the other way to fit in the group.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 3.Mar.2019, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 3.Mar.2019, 06:50 PM) *
But sure thing I cannot change the minds of brainwashed people who think there is no problem at all or simply they look the other way to fit in the group.


Well there you go, you have just answered the question to the problem you have. If you cant do anything how do you expect us to fix the problem you have, sorry but I guess you'll just have to deal with it.

I hope the Spanish know what's coming their way.

Just out of interest, where are you from.

Posted by: skogsbo 3.Mar.2019, 07:49 PM

Pep.. most eu migrants who come here for employment, not love, are capable of making the same money or more (UK London etc ) elsewhere.

They come here because they like other things. Work life balance, which is the opposite to many other countries. Perhaps the outdoors freedom to go where you like.. the weather great kayaking and swimming in summer. Excellent skiing in winter etc.. or just more local sports facilities which are generally well funded. Swedish health has better outcomes than much of Europe. House prices outside the biggest cities are pretty cheap relative to the rest of Europe.

There is a lot more to sweden than your problems and your complaining isn't going to allow you to enjoy it.

Posted by: Bsmith 3.Mar.2019, 08:00 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 3.Mar.2019, 05:27 PM) *
If you made 100k euros a year doing something that doesn't require having a job, would you be in sweden?. unsure.gif


Are you from Nigeria by chance?

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 09:41 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 3.Mar.2019, 08:14 PM) *
Well there you go, you have just answered the question to the problem you have. If you cant do anything how do you expect us to fix the problem you have, sorry but I guess you'll just have to deal with it.

I hope the Spanish know what's coming their way.

Just out of interest, where are you from.


I hope sweden knows what's coming their way. Because you are all going to hit the wall. Housing in this country is a ticking bomb.

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 3.Mar.2019, 09:00 PM) *
Are you from Nigeria by chance?



Do you really think you are all that rich?.

The average salary in Stockholm, Sweden is currently around 22.000 SEK after taxes.
So the average swede living in such expensive city like Stockholm makes 264000 sek a year. When rental prices are skyrocketing to 10000 sek a month.
https://checkinprice.com/average-and-minimum-salary-in-stockholm-sweden/


What does Nigeria have to do with sweden?. is that an appreciation of any sort?.

Posted by: skogsbo 3.Mar.2019, 09:48 PM

Pep

If you can predict the economic future, you should be working in finance and have enough money to buy a street, not spend your time complaining about renting a single flat.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 3.Mar.2019, 09:48 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 3.Mar.2019, 09:41 PM) *
I hope sweden knows what's coming their way. Because you are all going to hit the wall. Housing in this country is a ticking bomb.

Time for you to leave then, bye.

Still waiting, Just out of interest, where are you from.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 10:00 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 3.Mar.2019, 10:48 PM) *
Time for you to leave then, bye.

Still waiting, Just out of interest, where are you from.


Where are you from?.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 3.Mar.2019, 08:49 PM) *
Pep.. most eu migrants who come here for employment, not love, are capable of making the same money or more (UK London etc ) elsewhere.

They come here because they like other things. Work life balance, which is the opposite to many other countries. Perhaps the outdoors freedom to go where you like.. the weather great kayaking and swimming in summer. Excellent skiing in winter etc.. or just more local sports facilities which are generally well funded. Swedish health has better outcomes than much of Europe. House prices outside the biggest cities are pretty cheap relative to the rest of Europe.

There is a lot more to sweden than your problems and your complaining isn't going to allow you to enjoy it.


'Sweden's healthcare is an embarrassment'
https://www.thelocal.se/20150127/swedens-health-care-is-a-shame-to-the-country

QUOTE
For this week's debate article, Johan Hjertqvist, president of Health Consumer Powerhouse, an organization which compares global healthcare systems, reacts to a new report which reveals that waiting times in Sweden's hospitals are among the worst in Europe.



QUOTE
In recent years, we also noted gaps in cancer care, primarily in Stockholm County. It may be a matter of time before unreasonable waiting times and chaotic organization start to affect actual medical treatments. That long waiting times take a serious toll on patients' quality of life and social situations is well known.




Spain is officially the world’s healthiest country
https://www.thelocal.es/20190225/spain-is-officially-the-worlds-healthiest-country-in-the-world


QUOTE
Spain has risen to the top of the Bloomberg Healthiest Country Index, which ranks 169 economies according to factors that contribute to overall health.
Spain topped the ranking In the 2019 edition, rising from sixth place in the previous gauge, published in 2017 beating Italy to the crown.



Keep trying to convince yourself everything is perfect.

Posted by: skogsbo 3.Mar.2019, 10:23 PM

Quality. You are quoting the local as a credible news source.
It's a click bait website; run on ad revenue.

What else is best in Spain?

Ps. Healthy and healthcare outcomes are vastly different things.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 3.Mar.2019, 11:11 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 3.Mar.2019, 11:23 PM) *
Quality. You are quoting the local as a credible news source.
It's a click bait website; run on ad revenue.

What else is best in Spain?

Ps. Healthy and healthcare outcomes are vastly different things.


Are you a credible source?. should I believe you instead?.

If the local is not a credible source then what are you doing in this forum?.


QUOTE (skogsbo @ 3.Mar.2019, 11:23 PM) *
Ps. Healthy and healthcare outcomes are vastly different things.


Healthcare efficiency. Spain is third, Sweden 22th.

Check the list in the link below.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-09-19/u-s-near-bottom-of-health-index-hong-kong-and-singapore-at-top?utm_source=facebook&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=keyweesubs&utm_content=business&kwp_0=1049153&kwp_4=3468005&kwp_1=1454810


No Spain is not the best, we have serious problems but overall and despite we have problems with unemployment life is quite good there.

I posted that to show you that things are not that simple.

It's a shame you don't speak Spanish so you could visit our forums, we are the opposite than swedes we overly criticize our country, our system, our politicians. And that can be a problem because then a scandinavians with their massive ego take advantage of that to put themselves at a higher level when it's not true that they are that good.

You need to realize sweden has serious problems and nobody dares to face them. That is quite suspicious.


Sweden has higher wages and lower work load that is their selling points. But honestly without it then, what else?.

If you made the same salary in sweden than in Spain then do you really think there would be any advantage at all in living in sweden?. The answer is NO.

That's why a lot of jokes about southern people portraying them as "poor" because in this country people are measured by their wallets.

Posted by: Bsmith 3.Mar.2019, 11:23 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 3.Mar.2019, 09:41 PM) *
Do you really think you are all that rich?.

What does Nigeria have to do with sweden?. is that an appreciation of any sort?.



Are you the only one who has not gotten that email?

Posted by: ChocOwl 4.Mar.2019, 12:13 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 3.Mar.2019, 10:23 PM) *
What else is best in Spain?

Spain is the world leader in organ donations!
Also has great paella.
But I think Sweden has a better climate (100% subjective opinion) and more wild blueberries.

Posted by: Bsmith 4.Mar.2019, 02:40 AM

QUOTE (ChocOwl @ 3.Mar.2019, 11:13 PM) *
Spain is the world leader in organ donations!
Also has great paella.
But I think Sweden has a better climate (100% subjective opinion) and more wild blueberries.


What organ we talking about?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2019, 02:47 AM

Yeah, are the donations voluntary???

Posted by: skogsbo 4.Mar.2019, 06:40 AM

Pep.

I know English isn't your first language, but read your links.

Health care efficiency. Who does the best with the least money. The UK does well to. But it is not a sign of who has the best outcomes.

What matters in healthcare, are mortality rates, waiting times, cancer survival percentages. Etc..

Posted by: skogsbo 4.Mar.2019, 06:42 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 4.Mar.2019, 01:40 AM) *
What organ we talking about?

The UK is just changing the law, you need to opt out of organ donation.

On that note, has Spain donated a right complaining organ to sweden?

Posted by: Uncle Fred 4.Mar.2019, 12:08 PM

I think "pepitoAndalucia" is a donated organ. laugh.gif

Posted by: ChocOwl 4.Mar.2019, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 4.Mar.2019, 02:40 AM) *
What organ we talking about?

Bodily organs, not musical instruments. Obviously it is also possible to donate musical organs but Spain is not a world leader in this area as far as I know.

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 4.Mar.2019, 02:47 AM) *
Yeah, are the donations voluntary???

They have a system that presumes consent so you need to actively opt out if you don't want to donate

Posted by: skogsbo 4.Mar.2019, 02:39 PM

Does this explain peps view of Spanish housing availability. Are Spaniards killing each other to guarantee organ donations for needy relatives and friends? Thus freeing up housing.

Not sure if this explains his tourism claims, you wouldn't want the liver or kidney of the average costa whatever summer tourist.

Posted by: GamlaSkogHisingHope 4.Mar.2019, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 4.Mar.2019, 06:42 AM) *
The UK is just changing the law, you need to opt out of organ donation.

On that note, has Spain donated a right complaining organ to sweden?


The new law affects England only, not the UK.

Posted by: skogsbo 4.Mar.2019, 03:46 PM

QUOTE (GamlaSkogHisingHope @ 4.Mar.2019, 02:26 PM) *
The new law affects England only, not the UK.

True. I think it already exists in the other counties/countries of the UK. wink.gif

Posted by: Uncle Fred 4.Mar.2019, 05:00 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 4.Mar.2019, 03:46 PM) *
True. I think it already exists in the other counties/countries of the UK. wink.gif

https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/faq/is-organ-donation-law-changing/

Posted by: skogsbo 4.Mar.2019, 05:31 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 4.Mar.2019, 04:00 PM) *
https://www.organdonation.nhs.uk/faq/is-organ-donation-law-changing/

Wales leads the way!

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Mar.2019, 06:42 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 4.Mar.2019, 01:08 PM) *
I think "pepitoAndalucia" is a donated organ. laugh.gif


I think sweden is a failure.

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 4.Mar.2019, 03:39 PM) *
Does this explain peps view of Spanish housing availability. Are Spaniards killing each other to guarantee organ donations for needy relatives and friends? Thus freeing up housing.

Not sure if this explains his tourism claims, you wouldn't want the liver or kidney of the average costa whatever summer tourist.


How Spain Became the World Leader in Organ Donations
https://www.newsweek.com/2015/02/20/spain-has-become-world-leader-organ-donations-305841.html

That's the stuff sweden sucks at. Empathy. But seeing your comments you are pros at passive aggression and hiding your corrupt housing system.

Then you go to Spain to get drunk and behave like animals with no manners.


I remember a swede got drunk and didn't want to pay the bill. The security guy came and asked him that he had to pay the bill, the swede behave like if he didn't understand..which is very typical of swedes when something is not convenient. Just look at the losers in this forum.
The guard grabbed his racist face and slapped him so hard that he bounced against the wall... That swede paid the bill ;-)

Epic, I wish I had a camera to record it.

Swedes are top of the world in sweden but then they go to Spain to behave like they truly are. LOL. Bunch of neo...naz...sorry. Neo liberals.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 4.Mar.2019, 06:58 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Mar.2019, 06:42 PM) *
I remember a swede got drunk and didn't want to pay the bill. The security guy came and asked him that he had to pay the bill, the swede behave like if he didn't understand..which is very typical of swedes when something is not convenient. Just look at the losers in this forum.
The guard grabbed his racist face and slapped him so hard that he bounced against the wall... That swede paid the bill ;-)

Epic, I wish I had a camera to record it.

Swedes are top of the world in sweden but then they go to Spain to behave like they truly are. LOL. Bunch of neo...naz...sorry. Neo liberals.


I saw the same thing in London a couple of year back, only this time it was 2 Spaniards. laugh.gif

You ever been to India by any chance.

Still waiting for you to answer my questions.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Mar.2019, 07:15 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 4.Mar.2019, 07:58 PM) *
I saw the same thing in London a couple of year back, only this time it was 2 Spaniards. laugh.gif

You ever been to India by any chance.

Still waiting for you to answer my questions.


In Spain it's common to see swedes who get drunk and then want to leave without paying. It's plague.

We always bring security guards to make them see that we live in a civilized country where people have manners not a place like sweden where people don't even know who to queue to get on the bus.

But usually force in required and that day specially was really funny because that poor swedish bastard was so drunk and looked so pathetic and then the security guard slapped him in the face. The funny thing is he didn't even react, typical not surprising, you are only brave behind other people's backs.

We are invaded by swedes who don't pay and get drunk. It's so common. Makes me wonder what kind of savages you swedes are. No surprised of course. I mean I guess that viking mindset of rapping, killing, betraying and backstabbing must still be in your genes.

Look what an American think of swedes
https://youtu.be/b2N7nuBQPxA

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2019, 07:25 PM

Yawn, zzzzzzzz...

Posted by: skogsbo 4.Mar.2019, 08:00 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Mar.2019, 05:42 PM) *
I think sweden is a failure.



How Spain Became the World Leader in Organ Donations
https://www.newsweek.com/2015/02/20/spain-has-become-world-leader-organ-donations-305841.html

That's the stuff sweden sucks at. Empathy. But seeing your comments you are pros at passive aggression and hiding your corrupt housing system.

Then you go to Spain to get drunk and behave like animals with no manners.


I remember a swede got drunk and didn't want to pay the bill. The security guy came and asked him that he had to pay the bill, the swede behave like if he didn't understand..which is very typical of swedes when something is not convenient. Just look at the losers in this forum.
The guard grabbed his racist face and slapped him so hard that he bounced against the wall... That swede paid the bill ;-)

Epic, I wish I had a camera to record it.

Swedes are top of the world in sweden but then they go to Spain to behave like they truly are. LOL. Bunch of neo...naz...sorry. Neo liberals.

I remember some Spaniards trying to sleep in the Torino hut for free, the argument between them and the Italian warden was stunning. It involved references to Mussolini and Franco, the works ... brilliant. A pre mobile phone video master class of high volume theatrical arguing.

But, I don't tar every Spaniard with the same brush.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2019, 08:13 PM

Spain is still suffering from the effects of being an Islamic country for hundreds of years...

It will be a long time before their people will be comfortable or able to fit in with normal European cultures!!!

Posted by: Uncle Fred 4.Mar.2019, 09:02 PM

It stil is Islamic, I was there last year, couldn't get halal pork anywhere.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 4.Mar.2019, 09:05 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Mar.2019, 07:15 PM) *
In Spain it's common to see swedes who get drunk and then want to leave without paying. It's plague.

We always bring security guards to make them see that we live in a civilized country where people have manners not a place like sweden where people don't even know who to queue to get on the bus.

But usually force in required and that day specially was really funny because that poor swedish bastard was so drunk and looked so pathetic and then the security guard slapped him in the face. The funny thing is he didn't even react, typical not surprising, you are only brave behind other people's backs.

We are invaded by swedes who don't pay and get drunk. It's so common. Makes me wonder what kind of savages you swedes are. No surprised of course. I mean I guess that viking mindset of rapping, killing, betraying and backstabbing must still be in your genes.

Look what an American think of swedes
https://youtu.be/b2N7nuBQPxA

If it wasn't for tourists in the summer, Spain would still be in the dark ages.
I remember going to Spain in 1970 when the roads turned to mud in the rain.

Posted by: Uncle Fred 4.Mar.2019, 09:22 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Mar.2019, 07:15 PM) *
In Spain it's common to see swedes who get drunk and then want to leave without paying. It's plague.

We always bring security guards to make them see that we live in a civilized country where people have manners not a place like sweden where people don't even know who to queue to get on the bus.

But usually force in required and that day specially was really funny because that poor swedish bastard was so drunk and looked so pathetic and then the security guard slapped him in the face. The funny thing is he didn't even react, typical not surprising, you are only brave behind other people's backs.

We are invaded by swedes who don't pay and get drunk. It's so common. Makes me wonder what kind of savages you swedes are. No surprised of course. I mean I guess that viking mindset of rapping, killing, betraying and backstabbing must still be in your genes.

Look what an American think of swedes
https://youtu.be/b2N7nuBQPxA


https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47444043

Is this the normal way of Spanish football hooligans, I like the bit that says the Spanish should KISS the Welshman's feet. laugh.gif

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Mar.2019, 09:47 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 4.Mar.2019, 10:05 PM) *
If it wasn't for tourists in the summer, Spain would still be in the dark ages.
I remember going to Spain in 1970 when the roads turned to mud in the rain.


1970s?. You got stuck in a moment Spain was very different.

Also now that you mention it. Your comment is something many swedes told me when they wanted to make fun of my country with hidden racist comments. The thing is, you all think you are better than them just because you make more money. It's hidden arrogance and classicism attitude. You call yourselves tolerant and progressive but in reality you have the most arrogant and cynical mindset in Europe. It's pure classicism. You need to look good abroad so you hide these comments but inside you, you all think you are better than Spain, or Greece just because your wallet is bigger.
It's the pinnacle of superficial behavior. And a very empty life if you ask me.

Look at yourselves. 1 million people in the national queue system to find stable rental. But everybody acts like if nothing was happening. If that is not hypocrisy...
Sweden is a country that is used to lie themselves to make reality in sweden more palatable.


Just imagine if sweden wouldn't have high wages. Then this country would be a desert and nobody in their right mind would want to move here. That's why many scandinavians get butthurt when they know how good life can be in Spain, Italy, Portugal, Greece despite job market is not as good.

That's why Spain should prevent scandinavians from buying apartments in Spain. Nothing good can come from a culture that thinks they are better just because they have more money. It's simply destructive.

Spain doesn't have the best job market nobody denies it and yet Spain is the second most visited country.


Think about it. ;-) Because yourself expose the average thinking in scandinavian countries. That's the real deal about who you all actually are.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Mar.2019, 09:50 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 4.Mar.2019, 10:22 PM) *
https://www.bbc.com/sport/football/47444043

Is this the normal way of Spanish football hooligans, I like the bit that says the Spanish should KISS the Welshman's feet. laugh.gif


Is this the norm in sweden?.

Neo-nazis on the rise in Sweden, DW English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esBkTFtVgIM

zlatan ibrahimovic full interview - sweden racism, parisian arrogants. what happened
https://youtu.be/Xf3x6V7FGxE

NAZIS IN SWEDEN?
https://youtu.be/_xdLQKunonw


It seems you are brit... Actually I thought you were the kind of culture that didn't have that supremacist arrogance but it seems I am wrong.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2019, 09:56 PM

"I remember going to Spain in 1970 when the roads turned to mud in the rain."

When Spain raped, pillaged, usurped and stole the vast riches of the "New World" they just wasted their ill gotten gains and did not invest a cent in their infrastructure therefore dooming the country to the pitiful ruin it is now...

No wonder their citizens leave!!!

Posted by: Uncle Fred 4.Mar.2019, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Mar.2019, 09:50 PM) *
Is this the norm in sweden?.

Neo-nazis on the rise in Sweden, DW English
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esBkTFtVgIM

zlatan ibrahimovic full interview - sweden racism, parisian arrogants. what happened
https://youtu.be/Xf3x6V7FGxE

Be careful you are embarrassing yourself again. laugh.gif

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/12/04/inenglish/1543924638_965426.html


“Here there is just one type of racism: the racism suffered by Spanish people,”

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Mar.2019, 10:03 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 4.Mar.2019, 10:56 PM) *
"I remember going to Spain in 1970 when the roads turned to mud in the rain."

When Spain raped, pillaged, usurped and stole the vast riches of the "New World" they just wasted their ill gotten gains and did not invest a cent in their infrastructure therefore dooming the country to the pitiful ruin it is now...

No wonder their citizens leave!!!


Poor old man. He only has money.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Mar.2019, 10:05 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 4.Mar.2019, 10:58 PM) *
Be careful you are embarrassing yourself again. laugh.gif

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/12/04/inenglish/1543924638_965426.html


“Here there is just one type of racism: the racism suffered by Spanish people,”



How Sweden Became a Thriving Base of neo-Nazi Ideology
https://www.haaretz.com/world-news/europe/.premium.MAGAZINE-how-sweden-became-a-thriving-base-of-neo-nazi-ideology-1.5629892

QUOTE
While Nazi criminals were hanged or committed suicide in their cells, a secret network operating out of Malmo made sure the Nazi idea stayed alive

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 4.Mar.2019, 10:09 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 4.Mar.2019, 10:58 PM) *
Be careful you are embarrassing yourself again. laugh.gif

https://elpais.com/elpais/2018/12/04/inenglish/1543924638_965426.html


“Here there is just one type of racism: the racism suffered by Spanish people,”


Why the far-right is growing in the UK and beyond
https://www.independent.co.uk/video/the-stunning-truth-that-explains-the-rise-of-the-far-right-in-britain-and-elsewhere-a7058221.html

QUOTE
'Brexit would be the economic equivalent of quitting your job because you think you can get it back minus all the parts you don't like'

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Mar.2019, 10:13 PM

"Poor old man. He only has money."

Is that all you got???

Posted by: Uncle Fred 4.Mar.2019, 10:26 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 4.Mar.2019, 10:13 PM) *
"Poor old man. He only has money."

Is that all you got???

I think the clown knows a little about india, similar posts.

Hej pepitoAndalucia, everyone is laughing at you. laugh.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: trungvmn 6.Jul.2019, 04:28 AM

Old but I feel so good, fixing it is like a new one!

Posted by: BlackfDes 6.Jul.2019, 10:33 AM

pepitoAndalucia, another kvetching curmudgeon to ignore! Added to the "ignore" list which makes it so much easier to read The Local's forum.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 20.Jul.2019, 05:47 PM

QUOTE (BlackfDes @ 6.Jul.2019, 11:33 AM) *
pepitoAndalucia, another kvetching curmudgeon to ignore! Added to the "ignore" list which makes it so much easier to read The Local's forum.


If real news hurt you then it's ok to look the other way, after all it's the normal way in scandinavia.

That article is terrifying for a country that calls itself the best on earth.
It seems your progressive attitude doesn't like to hear the real news in sweden.

That's why sweden looks so good from outside, because from the moment you hear the bad news you all try to insult and kill the messenger. Good way to keep up with a monopolistic system, while the world thinks you are all great and tolerant.

Do you want me to post instead that she never had any issues?. Maybe the typical post sweden is perfect and great?.

It will be a pleasure if you add me to your "ignore list", I am tired of dealing with people who act in a passive aggressive way because they feel offended when shown what sweden actually is...

The world needs to know.

Posted by: john.boy 21.Jul.2019, 01:20 PM

QUOTE (pepitoAndalucia @ 4.Mar.2019, 09:47 PM) *
Look at yourselves. 1 million people in the national queue system to find stable rental.

You still refuse to understand that the people you claim are trying to find stable rentals are mainly not!

Out of your 1.000.000 approx 640.000 are on the register in Stockholm, and out of those 640.000 the majority of people already either have a 1st hand rental contract, own thier own house or own shares in a BRF. It is a minority that are actually active seeking. According to the statistics, only 14% are active = make 5 or more applications for a listed apartment.

I am one of those that is on the Stockholm register, have been since it was formed, so is everyone else I know (and their kids as soon as they reach 18). I have no intention, nor need to rent, however, one never knows what the dim and distant future brings! Best to be on the register and build up decades of time ;-) so can jump past you if I ever need to ;-)

Posted by: Gjeebes 21.Jul.2019, 01:41 PM

"The world needs to know."

Perhaps, but actually, for most of the world's population, Meatballia, in all its faux-glory, doesn't register.

Not even a blip at the bottom of the scale. Too obscure, too unimportant, too boring, too hypocritical, too "virtuous", for anyone outside of the Greasy Meatball, to care (Bernie Saunders aside)...(oh, and that tard whose answer to anything is to compare what happened in Australia in the distant past).

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