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Posted by: intrepidfox 31.Aug.2019, 08:08 PM

Gjeebes. Sorry for not taking you seriously before but you are correct. This country is shit.

Before anybody moans. I have lived here for 30+ years and it has changed to a cesspit full of violence, incompitent leaders, corruption, bad health care, no accommodation, useless for pensioners, crap schools, dirty everywhere, the gangs, shootings, bombings, rapes etc etc.

All i can say is R.I.P. Sverige

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 31.Aug.2019, 09:01 PM

And again:

The result of multiculturalism, ethnic diversity, political correctness; you know, the fruits of Liberalism...

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 31.Aug.2019, 10:39 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 31.Aug.2019, 10:01 PM) *
And again:

The result of multiculturalism, ethnic diversity, political correctness; you know, the fruits of Liberalism...



QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 31.Aug.2019, 10:01 PM) *
And again:

The result of multiculturalism, ethnic diversity, political correctness; you know, the fruits of Liberalism...


It also created you, the city you claim, the country, the modern world.

Political correctness, oh please, give an example of political correctness getting in the way of you living your life?

You want your rights recognized, correct? What makes you different from anyone else wanting the same?

You sure you aren’t liberal?

How is trump doing? Making America great yet? Seems like he’s really fucking things up! What party is he for again? Isn’t he a liberal?

Posted by: Bsmith 1.Sep.2019, 06:42 PM

Perhaps it is a function of age, but I feel society has declined as well. Things seemed simpler in earlier times. When I was a kid, we all played outside, unsupervised for most of the day with no worries about being assaulted. We came home when it got dark. There was no such thing as "drive by shootings" and mass shootings were extremely rare if not unheard of entirely. Most families were just that, a family with a dad and mom. Dad went to work and mom stayed home with the kids. On Sundays, we all went to church. Homeless people were called hobos and they rode the rails and stayed outside of town. They did not camp out all over the city leaving their filth behind. Men were men and women were women and were not confused in their roles. Etc. etc.

At least that is how I remember it.

Posted by: Svedallas 1.Sep.2019, 06:52 PM

QUOTE (intrepidfox @ 31.Aug.2019, 09:08 PM) *
Gjeebes. Sorry for not taking you seriously before but you are correct. This country is shit.

Before anybody moans. I have lived here for 30+ years and it has changed to a cesspit full of violence, incompitent leaders, corruption, bad health care, no accommodation, useless for pensioners, crap schools, dirty everywhere, the gangs, shootings, bombings, rapes etc etc.

All i can say is R.I.P. Sverige


Sweden has turned to shit.
The amount of shootings and murders on a daily it is as though we are used to it.

20 years ago. Just one shooting would be on the headlines for months.
Now daily.

The politicians have fucked us over.

Posted by: Gjeebes 1.Sep.2019, 07:50 PM

Living in the Greasy Meatball was the worst experience of my life. I will only ever return to close my bank account once Meatballian crowns cease being reported as "junk currency".

After I close it, I will never set foot there again.

7 years of daily frustration. The only country out of 6 I have lived in where the problems were both creatively superfluous as well as endless.

Meatballia hits the wall it saw coming from miles away. And don't forget, huge public/social support from the beginnings of the "open-borders" experiment.

Getting out? Best thing you can do. Takes time to arrange, but you can just feel the shit slide off as the dark cloud over the Greasy Meatball fades out of sight.

Now I can simply observe from afar as the "mighty" Swedes suffocate on their own arrogance and stupidity.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 2.Sep.2019, 08:17 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 1.Sep.2019, 07:42 PM) *
Perhaps it is a function of age, but I feel society has declined as well. Things seemed simpler in earlier times. When I was a kid, we all played outside, unsupervised for most of the day with no worries about being assaulted. We came home when it got dark. There was no such thing as "drive by shootings" and mass shootings were extremely rare if not unheard of entirely. Most families were just that, a family with a dad and mom. Dad went to work and mom stayed home with the kids. On Sundays, we all went to church. Homeless people were called hobos and they rode the rails and stayed outside of town. They did not camp out all over the city leaving their filth behind. Men were men and women were women and were not confused in their roles. Etc. etc.

At least that is how I remember it.


Everything seemed simpler as a kid because that’s the perception of a child.

Kids still play outside unsupervised and come home when it gets dark. They ride their bikes in the street and have lemonade stands.

Drive bys and mass shootings... totally agree here... there needs to be more gun control in America. Trump has done a piss poor job of “draining the swamp” when he can’t get rid of the NRA’s influence in politics. Republicans are a constant roadblock to gun law reform. One of the biggest plagues in American history... the mass shootings.... funny how the large large majority of shooters are white male conservatives... this is not a liberal issue... unless you consider gun owners fighting for their rights within the liberal spectrum... which an argument can be made for.

If women, or kids, strayed from their “roles” the “man” would usually beat them back into place.


What if mom didn’t want to stay home with the kids, or stay home when kids went to school? What if she wanted to have a career as well or wanted the man to stay at home instead.

The conditions which you describe are part of a past that led to today. Many many many of our generation rebelled against those stifling conditions. For good reason.

But hey, I get it, you wish you could go back to a time where you can call black people niggers and beat your spouse and kids with impunity.

The advancements made for women and minorities is a good thing. Funny that it’s a majority of white men who don’t agree with this.




Posted by: Svedallas 5.Sep.2019, 11:39 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 2.Sep.2019, 09:17 AM) *
Everything seemed simpler as a kid because that’s the perception of a child.

Kids still play outside unsupervised and come home when it gets dark. They ride their bikes in the street and have lemonade stands.

Drive bys and mass shootings... totally agree here... there needs to be more gun control in America. Trump has done a piss poor job of “draining the swamp” when he can’t get rid of the NRA’s influence in politics. Republicans are a constant roadblock to gun law reform. One of the biggest plagues in American history... the mass shootings... funny how the large large majority of shooters are white male conservatives... this is not a liberal issue... unless you consider gun owners fighting for their rights within the liberal spectrum... which an argument can be made for.

If women, or kids, strayed from their “roles” the “man” would usually beat them back into place.


What if mom didn’t want to stay home with the kids, or stay home when kids went to school? What if she wanted to have a career as well or wanted the man to stay at home instead.

The conditions which you describe are part of a past that led to today. Many many many of our generation rebelled against those stifling conditions. For good reason.

But hey, I get it, you wish you could go back to a time where you can call black people niggers and beat your spouse and kids with impunity.

The advancements made for women and minorities is a good thing. Funny that it’s a majority of white men who don’t agree with this.


Let us not compare Sweden to US again.
I would still prefer Sweden. We have our major faults right now, but for the most part, when things are functioning, it can be good. We just have an incompetent political party that is destroying Sweden.

Posted by: Bsmith 5.Sep.2019, 12:20 PM

Many people in Europe have the misconception that the entire US is a war zone as many people in the US have the same perception of Sweden. I have lived in both countries and, in my opinion, the gloom and doom is a bit exaggerated. In neither country was I ever shot at, mugged, raped or assaulted. Truthfully, I have primarily been in rural areas and they tend to have a much lower crime rate. However, I do believe that it appears to be getting worse even in the rural areas. Society has seemingly turned more violent and depraved.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 12:57 PM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 5.Sep.2019, 12:39 PM) *
Let us not compare Sweden to US again.
I would still prefer Sweden. We have our major faults right now, but for the most part, when things are functioning, it can be good. We just have an incompetent political party that is destroying Sweden.


That stands for any country... when things are functioning, it can be good. But I don’t care your preference.

I brought up the US in response to drive bys and mass shootings... although very different, explosions and shootings happen in Sweden as well... polis maybe needs some balls.

There was a thread a while ago where someone posted an article about “the good Swede”.

I believe this is where the current problem in Sweden lies... that Sweden does not acknowledge its past in an appropriate way and buried issues with a national image of a “do gooder”... this has led to the lid on the boiling pot, not knowing when to be rational, rather at all costs perpetuate a false image of humanitarian super power. Politicians and citizens are guilty alike.

Sweden’s liberal policies also gave you the Sweden you love. Remember that.

And as bsmith said... big misconception of America is that it’s a complete war zone. Juicy us news drama is sold all over the place... big world market for it. Liberal policies don’t always work but it by and large has brought more equality of opportunity which is great. Good thing is that states can work out their own politics to suit their local needs because of the vast difference of some states and regions.


Posted by: gsurya 5.Sep.2019, 01:01 PM

I have been living in and out of Copenhagen and Malmo for multiple stints since 1998, and I can say that I love Scandinavia as a whole.

Yes we have some bigoted hate-mongering losers like these SweNazis, but they are a small whining minority and can be ignored for the largely great experience we have living here as immigrants.

Posted by: Bsmith 5.Sep.2019, 01:09 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 2.Sep.2019, 08:17 AM) *
there needs to be more gun control in America.



On that, I totally disagree. Primarily because it does not affect a solution. The cities that have the strongest gun control laws also have the highest levels of gun crimes in the nation. They also have the highest levels of liberal democrats who eschew the idea of personal responsibility.

I do, in fact own several guns. I have never had the urge to shoot anyone, despite the fact that I have indeed had relationships that have failed, jobs I have been let go from and other problems. The difference is, when confronted with a problem I identify the problem and the cause, plan out a strategy to defeat the problem and follow the plan. I do not blame others for my own problems nor do I expect others to solve them for me. If I do appeal to a higher power, it is not the government I look to but God.

Posted by: skogsbo 5.Sep.2019, 02:17 PM

Has anyone who didn't own guns ever gone on a shooting spree? There is your answer. wink.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Sep.2019, 02:53 PM

I would like to pose a question to those over 50 years of age...It is this:

When you were young did you ever really want to kill everybody in your school???

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 02:57 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 5.Sep.2019, 03:17 PM) *
Has anyone who didn't own guns ever gone on a shooting spree? There is your answer. wink.gif



Bing!!



The ease of access to guns is appalling.


Bsmith— to bring up Chicago... other than corrupt politics most likely influenced by nra money... Democrats or not... Daley, the first, was dem and racist as ——-.... but strict gun laws in Chicago??? Any city that has a right to concealed carry does not have strict gun laws.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 03:17 PM

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

School shootings have been happening a long time.... biggest difference now, I would say, is the use of automatic weapons— hence the rise in deaths and injuries.

So many other nations have solved this yet America continues in a downward spiral because the NRA and the us govt go hand in hand.

Posted by: Bsmith 5.Sep.2019, 03:19 PM

Does everyone who owns guns go on a shooting spree?

There are millions of law abiding, good citizens that own guns that have not and will never go on a shooting spree. To punish them for the misdeeds of a few is wrong and illogical. You are much more likely to be killed by an automobile than by a gun. By your logic, then all cars should be banned.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Sep.2019, 03:41 PM

When law abiding citizens are unarmed Democracy will turn to tyranny!!!

Imagine a United States ruled by the Democratic Left!!!

To arms, to arms, the Liberals are coming laugh.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 04:14 PM

Funny that the mass majority of shooters are white male conservatives...

When will that demographic address the problems they are sowing? And then they blame liberals???

Seems like a big lack of accountability.

Conservatives want access to guns... and yet it’s the conservatives who are committing the horrendous acts....

With your logic, there is no end to mass shootings.

What do you own guns for? Hunting? That’s fine... do you need an automatic weapon to hunt?

Is there tyranny in Australia? New Zealand? The uk? Germany? France? What the hell are you talking about?

Taking guns away from citizens has proven not to cause tyranny in contemporary times.



Posted by: Bsmith 5.Sep.2019, 04:19 PM

The term "automatic weapon" and "assault rifle" is thrown around a lot by those who have little knowledge of guns. Assault rifle is a made-up term coined by journalists to describe the AR-15. The AR-15 rifle was developed in the 50's and, at one time, was even offered in the Sears Roebuck catalog. AR actually stands for Armalite, not assault rifle. The term automatic weapon refers to a gun that fires a bullet every time the trigger is pulled. This is just about every weapon made with the exception of a bolt action or lever action rifle or a shotgun (which, incidentally was the weapon of choice in the infamous Columbine shooting). Even and old fashioned cowboy revolver fires each time the trigger is pulled.

The problem with this whole gun control rant is that it vilifies the weapon and does not focus on the shooter or the reasons why society produces such people. Guns have not changed significantly in 50 years...what has changed to encourage such behavior? What is the root cause?

Posted by: Bsmith 5.Sep.2019, 04:22 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 5.Sep.2019, 03:14 PM) *
Funny that the mass majority of shooters are white male conservatives...

When will that demographic address the problems they are sowing? And then they blame



Actually, and statistically, the crime rate (including shootings) is much, much higher in the black community.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 04:25 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 5.Sep.2019, 05:19 PM) *
The term "automatic weapon" and "assault rifle" is thrown around a lot by those who have little knowledge of guns. Assault rifle is a made-up term coined by journalists to describe the AR-15. The AR-15 rifle was developed in the 50's and, at one time, was even offered in the Sears Roebuck catalog. AR actually stands for Armalite, not assault rifle. The term automatic weapon refers to a gun that fires a bullet every time the trigger is pulled. This is just about every weapon made with the exception of a bolt action or lever action rifle or a shotgun (which, incidentally was the weapon of choice in the infamous Columbine shooting). Even and old fashioned cowboy revolver fires each time the trigger is pulled.

The problem with this whole gun control rant is that it vilifies the weapon and does not focus on the shooter or the reasons why society produces such people. Guns have not changed significantly in 50 years...what has changed to encourage such behavior? What is the root cause?


I am clearly focusing on the shooter... white male conservatives... the root cause is that that demographic has been becoming increasingly angry and violent because as there is more equality of opportunity for women and minorities... these white men feel threatened and angered that they have to now share space on a more level playing field.



Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 04:32 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 5.Sep.2019, 05:22 PM) *
Actually, and statistically, the crime rate (including shootings) is much, much higher in the black community.



I am focusing on school/ mass shootings....

Yes there is a lot of gun violence and crime in black communities... contained within black communities... the black community acknowledges and addresses this issue in many ways over many decades.

What have white male conservatives done to address the problems in their community.... producing mass shooters...

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 04:35 PM

Bsmith—— u sure you know guns????

What you refer to is semi automatic... one shot to one pull... fully automatic is pull once and spray.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 5.Sep.2019, 06:24 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 5.Sep.2019, 03:17 PM) *
Has anyone who didn't own guns ever gone on a shooting spree? There is your answer. wink.gif


Has anyone without access to a car ever killed anyone in a road traffic accident? There is your answer, ban cars!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 06:33 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 5.Sep.2019, 07:24 PM) *
Has anyone without access to a car ever killed anyone in a road traffic accident? There is your answer, ban cars!

Banning cars WILL end the mass shooting crisis in America.

Case closed.


And yes people with access to trucks, motorcycles... also there are incidents of people throwing objects off of overpasses... don’t need a car to kill in a traffic accident.

If there were people driving cars into masses of people maybe they should be banned? Oh wait... a white male conservative did...

So yes let’s ban cars because it will also end the opioid crisis.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Sep.2019, 09:04 PM

Don't forget to ban high spike heels, because a woman actually killed a man with one of hers!!!

I also call for a ban on yoga mats...a rolled mat is a formidable weapon in the wrong hands...

It's people who kill people...What is wrong with our society???

Criminals will ALWAYS have weapons because laws mean nothing to them!!!

Liberals allowed us to become violent because they condone lax laws and low class behaviour!!!

Just look at the "crap" cities controlled by Democratic Liberals!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 5.Sep.2019, 09:38 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 5.Sep.2019, 10:04 PM) *
Liberals allowed us to become violent because they condone lax laws and low class behaviour!!!



Amazing that you justify mass shootings.

That is sickening.

Posted by: Bsmith 5.Sep.2019, 11:08 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 5.Sep.2019, 04:35 PM) *
Bsmith—— u sure you know guns????

What you refer to is semi automatic... one shot to one pull... fully automatic is pull once and spray.



You are correct. Fully automatic weapons are not available to the public. The Las Vegas shooter used a bump stock to make his weapon act as though it was a full automatic but those now have been banned...as they should be. My point is that most weapons are semi-auto...even my little .22 squirrel gun.

Posted by: Bsmith 5.Sep.2019, 11:17 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 5.Sep.2019, 06:33 PM) *
Banning cars WILL end the mass shooting crisis in America.



There was a govt. official who stated (jokingly) that if all black males were eliminated from society, violent crime would drop to almost nothing. Factually that is a true statement. He was severely castigated by the press. What he should have said is that by eliminating all males, violent crime would be virtually zero as almost all such crimes are perpetrated by males. Is that a reasonable solution? Of course not. If the general citizenry would have been polled one hundred years ago and asked if an invention that would kill thousands of people a year should be allowed...most likely we would not have automobiles today. Again, not a reasonable solution.

You want to end school shootings tomorrow? Put in place actual security measures. One point of entry through which all personnel and students must pass through with metal detectors and armed security guards. Problem solved immediately.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Sep.2019, 11:28 PM

I believe the NRA suggested the same thing years ago...with the example that banks have guards to protect money but there is no protection for our children...

I'm guessing politicians would rather protect money than children...

Posted by: Svedallas 5.Sep.2019, 11:33 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 5.Sep.2019, 04:19 PM) *
Does everyone who owns guns go on a shooting spree?

There are millions of law abiding, good citizens that own guns that have not and will never go on a shooting spree. To punish them for the misdeeds of a few is wrong and illogical. You are much more likely to be killed by an automobile than by a gun. By your logic, then all cars should be banned.


Let us not forget what happened in Norway several years ago.
That was a devastating "school" shooting.

The only countries which have the least amount of shootings is probably Japan.



Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Sep.2019, 11:42 PM

Didn't they have a poison gas attack a few years ago???

Lunatics will always find the means to harm innocent people, everywhere...Suicide vests...anyone???

Posted by: skogsbo 6.Sep.2019, 05:54 AM

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 5.Sep.2019, 11:33 PM) *
Let us not forget what happened in Norway several years ago.
That was a devastating "school" shooting.

The only countries which have the least amount of shootings is probably Japan.

Norway was a political rally. A group of young liberals, shot by far right activist. There was nothing school related at all.

Posted by: skogsbo 6.Sep.2019, 05:56 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 5.Sep.2019, 11:28 PM) *
I believe the NRA suggested the same thing years ago...with the example that banks have guards to protect money but there is no protection for our children...

I'm guessing politicians would rather protect money than children...

The problem is it's the kids shooting each other. Not protecting the kids from bad people.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 06:31 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 6.Sep.2019, 12:17 AM) *
There was a govt. official who stated (jokingly) that if all black males were eliminated from society, violent crime would drop to almost nothing. Factually that is a true statement. He was severely castigated by the press. What he should have said is that by eliminating all males, violent crime would be virtually zero as almost all such crimes are perpetrated by males. Is that a reasonable solution? Of course not. If the general citizenry would have been polled one hundred years ago and asked if an invention that would kill thousands of people a year should be allowed...most likely we would not have automobiles today. Again, not a reasonable solution.

You want to end school shootings tomorrow? Put in place actual security measures. One point of entry through which all personnel and students must pass through with metal detectors and armed security guards. Problem solved immediately.


There have been armed police/ security guards/ metal detectors in schools for a long time. Not all... but it has definitely been in place at schools for a long time.

Should we turn schools into prison? How about we ban guns PERMANENTLY rather than subject our children to that environment... they already have to go through shooting drills.

End school and mass shootings and people driving cars into peaceful protests (USA)—- eliminate white male conservatives- problem solved

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 6.Sep.2019, 12:28 AM) *
I believe the NRA suggested the same thing years ago...with the example that banks have guards to protect money but there is no protection for our children...

I'm guessing politicians would rather protect money than children...


There have been metal detectors and armed guards in school for a long time.

Yes, politicians would rather protect the money they get from the NRA and perpetuate their agenda rather than protect children. Funny how republicans are notoriously in bed with the NRA.

QUOTE (Svedallas @ 6.Sep.2019, 12:33 AM) *
Let us not forget what happened in Norway several years ago.
That was a devastating "school" shooting.

The only countries which have the least amount of shootings is probably Japan.


It was another mass shooting my a white male conservative— this one of the white nationalist breed.

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 6.Sep.2019, 12:42 AM) *
Didn't they have a poison gas attack a few years ago???

Lunatics will always find the means to harm innocent people, everywhere...Suicide vests...anyone???


Funny that the vast majority of school and mass shooters are white male conservatives—- or lunatics as you say.



Conservatives resistance to gun law reform perpetuates the crisis.

Why do we need access to Ak-47’s? Why do we need access to 100 plus round drum magazines? We don’t. Why is it that in 36 states you don’t need a permit, license or even to register as a gun owner to own a gun??


Bsmith your little squirrel gun would not be capable of mass damage... let alone any death without a ridiculous scenario.


Fact is... America has some of the most relaxed gun laws in the world and they have the worst problems with mass and school shootings. Gee... I wonder if those are related.

Funny that countries with strict gun laws, or bans, are still free and it’s citizens still feel free. Freedom does not equal gun ownership. Nor does the removal of guns/ very strict gun laws mean the removal of freedom... as proven by many many countries.

Do you also want child porn and driving while intoxicated to be legal? Crack, meth, and heroin should be sold in Walmart and online and at drug trade shows... who cares if they kill and cause many problems... I want freedom. I want freedom to walk around naked everywhere... I want the freedom to drive a car without a license...

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 06:47 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 6.Sep.2019, 06:56 AM) *
The problem is it's the kids shooting each other. Not protecting the kids from bad people.


Makes me think of the most recent chappelle stand up....

They run drills in school nowadays to be prepared for a school shooting... what they fail to realize is that they are probably informing the shooter as well....

White male conservative in back of classroom raises hand.... “Mrs. Smith, where do we all meet for the “safe spot” again?

Posted by: cootje1976 6.Sep.2019, 07:35 AM

"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." - Aristotle

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 07:58 AM

QUOTE (cootje1976 @ 6.Sep.2019, 08:35 AM) *
"Masculine republics give way to feminine democracies, and feminine democracies give way to tyranny." - Aristotle


The Netherlands has very strict gun laws... are there many mass/ school shootings? Is the Dutch govt being tyrannical with these strict gun laws?

The government is also very liberal and there are many personal freedoms in that “feminine democracy”

Are they about to give in to tyranny?

All these guns lead to chaos. Well regulated militias become hate groups, militias form out of defense of another militia, to fight yet another militia.... sounds like the development of urban gangs.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 08:15 AM

I made a separate thread for this gun discussion....


https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?showtopic=95208&pid=944250&st=0&#entry944250

Posted by: Bsmith 6.Sep.2019, 01:03 PM

Very few schools have metal detectors. Most schools security measures are locked doors which are made of glass and easily defeated, a few cameras that no one monitors and badges for employees. Oh, and some no guns allowed stickers on the doors. Actual security measures, like we have had to adopt in airports, would solve the problem or school shootings right now.

You, however, want to ban all guns permanently. Why stop there? Guns only kill a small fraction of people each year. Let's ban all recreational drugs and alcohol and really save some lives. Oh, wait, that's been tried already.

Posted by: intrepidfox 6.Sep.2019, 02:21 PM

If you want to talk about America and the shit happening there start a new effing post. This is life in Sweden not the good old USA

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 02:53 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 6.Sep.2019, 02:03 PM) *
Very few schools have metal detectors. Most schools security measures are locked doors which are made of glass and easily defeated, a few cameras that no one monitors and badges for employees. Oh, and some no guns allowed stickers on the doors. Actual security measures, like we have had to adopt in airports, would solve the problem or school shootings right now.

You, however, want to ban all guns permanently. Why stop there? Guns only kill a small fraction of people each year. Let's ban all recreational drugs and alcohol and really save some lives. Oh, wait, that's been tried already.



I said ban guns there once. Ideally, sure. Realistically I know that can’t happen.

The percentage of homicides that are caused by a gun are almost 75%... we aren’t talking about death in general... however harm reduction practices and legalization has lowered drug related deaths. Part of problem there is that the pharma companies keep coming up with stronger opioids.

Stick with the program/ reality and debate massive gun law reform... not banning guns.

And of course most schools aren’t like that... they shouldn’t need to be prisons! Should there be armed guards patrolling the halls with m16’s?! Or should there be some friggin massive gun law reform.

Bad people will do bad people stuff. We don’t need to make it so easy for them to get guns!

Posted by: skogsbo 6.Sep.2019, 06:54 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 5.Sep.2019, 06:24 PM) *
Has anyone without access to a car ever killed anyone in a road traffic accident? There is your answer, ban cars!


Which is precisely why there is a driving test. Plus if you have numerous medical conditions you don't get a licence either. No one gets a licence and a car instantly in a day.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 7.Sep.2019, 12:37 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 6.Sep.2019, 06:56 AM) *
The problem is it's the kids shooting each other. Not protecting the kids from bad people.

As a student I never had the urge to kill my classmates and do not know any one who wanted to...What have we done to our children to make them this way???

However one student returned to his old school broke through the doors and killed a LOT of children, he killed his Mother to get the gun...

Our children are NOT at all like children in my day...What happened???

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 7.Sep.2019, 04:02 AM

If these Federal laws were used by the States it would save a lot of lives...

It is part of an article replying to "Chuck" Schumer's statement that MORE Federal laws are needed...obviously a lie!!!

The laws are there, the states don't use them!!!

And there are more!!!





Posted by: skogsbo 7.Sep.2019, 06:36 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 7.Sep.2019, 12:37 AM) *
Our children are NOT at all like children in my day...What happened???

Probably many factors; Parenting, education, internet influences, badly funded mental healthcare, no reduction in gun access...

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 7.Sep.2019, 07:47 AM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 7.Sep.2019, 05:02 AM) *
If these Federal laws were used by the States it would save a lot of lives...

It is part of an article replying to "Chuck" Schumer's statement that MORE Federal laws are needed...obviously a lie!!!

The laws are there, the states don't use them!!!

And there are more!!!






What you are saying is the ATF needs to do their job. They need to be pushed by the administration to enforce the federal laws. It is their responsibility to enforce federal law in regards to gun running across state lines.

There are still more laws needed for enforcement and regulation.

Trump, his administration, and many of the right wing need to stop playing pocket pool with the NRA.... they are a massive roadblock to legislation and enforcement.

Posted by: Bsmith 7.Sep.2019, 12:35 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 7.Sep.2019, 06:36 AM) *
Probably many factors; Parenting, education, internet influences, badly funded mental healthcare, no reduction in gun access...



There are indeed many factors, or root causes for the uptick in violence in today's youth. Kids of today are exposed to a lot more graphic violence on TV, movies, video games and even some music. The typical western of our day showed the sheriff shoot his gun and you saw a puff a smoke followed by the bad guy falling off his horse while clutching his stomach. Now we have a whole slew of Quinton Tarantino type movies with high body counts and extremely graphic violence. Young kids are exposed to this and the violent and extremely realistic video games from a very young age. No wonder that young, impressionable minds are becoming warped. Many of these mass shooters act as if they were in a video game.

Also, there is a decline in religion. like it or not, the Sunday school classes and services that many of us attended as kids helped to shape our moral character.

Another factor is the lack of parenting. Here, in the US, approximately 75% of all African American babies born are born out of wedlock into a single parent families. Study after study shows that kids with only one parent (especially boys without a dad in their lives) are more prone to join gangs, drop out of school and have a criminal record...and, of course, become more violent. And yet we continue to subsidize this type of parenting with our supposedly well intentioned social welfare programs.

Another factor is the ever increasing amount of pschycotropic medications that are prescribed by doctors. I read a disturbing article that stated that many mass shooters are on some type of medication and this may have very well influenced their hysteria. I personally know of two individuals that were put on anti-depressants and ended up committing suicide.

Finally, the press glorifies these sick individuals by publishing their manifestos, biographies, photos, etc. This inspires copy-cat type killings.

If you really want the government to do something, then these are the problems that should be looked at and addressed in some manner.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 7.Sep.2019, 01:24 PM

"marijuana, which, though legalized in many US states, remains illegal under federal law."

As above it is the States that decide which laws to use/enforce not the Federal Government...

Posted by: Gjeebes 8.Sep.2019, 07:45 AM

"Another factor is the lack of parenting. Here, in the US, approximately 75% of all African American babies born are born out of wedlock into a single parent families."

Right, but you seem to attempt, by calling out only African American people, that this doesn't happen except in their circles. Why might that be. Do you have a bias?

"Study after study shows that kids with only one parent (especially boys without a dad in their lives) are more prone to join gangs, drop out of school and have a criminal record...and, of course, become more violent. And yet we continue to subsidize this type of parenting with our supposedly well intentioned social welfare programs."

So, what is your suggestion? Don't help people? That's the exact reason why in the grand ole US of A, there are so many problems.

You seem to imply that if you didn't subsidise these terrible "African American" people, it would solve the problem. Quite naïve, and sad.

What do you think happens to crime levels, when you completely turn your back on them (i.e people who genuinely need assistance)? It is much less costly to subsidise, than to let the crime get more out of hand.

And as a retired teacher, you must certainly must be aware that just because an African American sits in the same class as "white" kids, he/she certainly DOES NOT (necessarily) receive the same quality of education.

The US has a problem with guns, but it also has a problem with prejudice, and shitty attitudes about the "out" groups (one of them being the African American community), which has been probably the main out group of choice for you lot, which YOU ALSO CREATED FOR YOURSELVES (hint: their origins in "your" place, begin with SLAVERY).

AND, the typical view of mental illness in the US (especially depression) as being down to some kind of personal choice, also limits your chances of solving problems in society caused by mental illness. But hey, it actually works for you guys with your "for profits" private prisons.

Many people in prison in the US have undiagnosed/ignored mental problems, but why fix that, because they are also the highest group of re-offenders, and hence, return to their little box, to make more profits.

You would perhaps do well to look at studies done outside of Amaricuh, that focus on Amaricuh, rather than read the biased ones that serve some higher agenda, from your own "people". You might be surprised what you can learn from such studies, that aren't mere pandering for some lobby group (hint: start with the topic of the NRA).

Oh, and did you know, the prison workers union (whatever its name) is one of the largest, richest and most powerful, in your fine land?

Posted by: Bsmith 8.Sep.2019, 11:44 AM

The single parent household trend is highest among African Americans but rising steadily in other races as well. Social programs which increase the amount of money that you receive with each child encourages this social phenomenon. This and other social welfare programs such as free housing, food, and cash payments results in a dependency on the government and a general degradation of society. Since the 60's, when many of these programs have originated, over 22 trillion dollars have been spent on the "war on poverty". Poverty numbers, despite all this investment, have not decreased...in fact they have actually increased. Imagine instead if this money had been invested in infrastructure, education, R and D (especially in the areas of alternative energy) where we might be. An investment is a strong economy and jobs would help people to stand on their own.

Posted by: pepitoAndalucia 8.Sep.2019, 01:35 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 1.Sep.2019, 08:50 PM) *
Living in the Greasy Meatball was the worst experience of my life. I will only ever return to close my bank account once Meatballian crowns cease being reported as "junk currency".

After I close it, I will never set foot there again.

7 years of daily frustration. The only country out of 6 I have lived in where the problems were both creatively superfluous as well as endless.

Meatballia hits the wall it saw coming from miles away. And don't forget, huge public/social support from the beginnings of the "open-borders" experiment.

Getting out? Best thing you can do. Takes time to arrange, but you can just feel the shit slide off as the dark cloud over the Greasy Meatball fades out of sight.

Now I can simply observe from afar as the "mighty" Swedes suffocate on their own arrogance and stupidity.


I recently met a couple who had been in sweden for more than 10 years and tired of this cult like culture they have decided to move back to their country of origin.

I asked them why when they had a secured job in sweden and even bought and apartment and their answer is precisely what you are pointing out. Sweden is a country that shows an image to the world that is not accurate in the day by day life.

1 Million people are waiting for apartments in sweden but the swedish establishment instead promotes a girl Greta thunberg as a world wide self proclaimed savior. For what?. To rewrite history and make a swede take ownership of the green movement?.
Nobody knows the 1 million queue for rentals in sweden but the swedish establishment has made sure she is on most major international news papers as the new savior!. How evil! Really, how evil, shielding themselves by using a girl!.
https://omni.se/storstadernas-bostadsko-narmar-sig-en-miljon/a/qL7Jqe

Sweden says it's a country of peace but they are among top 5 arms exporters to third world countries.

They say sweden is an equal country but then 5% of natives are unemployed vs 15% of foreigners. If I apply for a job in sweden it's very common that companies ask for my date of birth and even gender. So how isn't that segregation?.

The price to pay for full integration in sweden is way too high. It means behaving like a robot and having no soul. That's why so many foreigners see swedes as fake or lacking of spontaneous behavior.

Sweden by itself is a contradiction. A country pretending to be more open and honest and better than the rest but in reality they are not. They hide something else deep inside their culture. Their elitism, their aristocracy like mindset, believing that somehow they are superior in any regard when the reality is they are a monopolistic country afraid of foreigners. The use their "nordic" brand to deceive the world that somehow they are more trustworthy but in reality they are taking advantage of that.


Do you really want to know what lays at the bottom of this country?. Pay attention because it's the opposite than light. But they are pros at using a girl for their purposes and keeping at straight face while doing it. That's the swedish "honesty"

Now sweden is in full overprotective mode and I have met people who tell me they cannot find a job in sweden unless they are fluent in swedish, despite this country being bilingual. I have met people who had traveled all over the world and had many jobs in countries where English wasn't their native language and they had told me that they were shocked to see how overprotective swedish employers are by avoiding hiring foreigners who don't speak swedish. Even when applying to low end jobs, it is almost impossible unless you speak perfect swedish. Other countries in which English is second language are not as difficult to find work, but sweden knows how to play their deception game, pretending to be opened when the reality is the opposite.

Then the rental market is worst than ever and I have also heard people who cannot secure an apartment for more than 6 months.

But the elites that have been supporting sweden abroad as an example to follow maybe they have as dark as the soul that inhabits this country. A country more obsessed with being the center of the universe no matter if they have to use a 16 year old girl to their long term goals.

No thanks I don't want to integrate into the swedish culture. I want to have a soul.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 8.Sep.2019, 04:19 PM

Are you still there(Sweden)??? laugh.gif

Posted by: Gjeebes 9.Sep.2019, 03:13 PM

"Social programs which increase the amount of money that you receive with each child encourages this social phenomenon."

Sounds pretty dubious to me, do you have any proof of this, or just your take? I will take it it is the latter.

People on social benefits aren't living the high-life by any means, so I highly doubts receiving say 600 $ a month, is much more incentive than 400 $ per month.

And in any case, you cleanly ignored the group of elephants in the room, which I addressed.

Seems to me, your take is just the creation of your agenda.

Additionally, there is actually a smart way to do welfare. But I don't think you are open to that as a Yank who pays relatively nothing for taxes.

There are of course people who abuse any system possible, and fuck it up for everyone else, but there are genuine cases that would do well to receive assistance in times of need. Not as a permanent solution, only temporarily with the end game being they get where they need to go, rather than getting comfortable sitting down, with hand extended out.

Perhaps you should visit one of those Vietnam Vet centres, to come down off your cloud. Quite a shame that the ones that died seem to be better off those who fought (for nothing), and lived.

Posted by: Bsmith 9.Sep.2019, 03:20 PM

The smart way to do welfare is to have it only last for a period of time, perhaps 6 months to a year and not be able to be taken again for several years. There should be a public service component attached to it and an educational component as well. And drug testing. Welfare should be a hand up not a hand out.

Posted by: djmarko 18.Sep.2019, 12:31 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 7.Sep.2019, 01:35 PM) *
There are indeed many factors, or root causes for the uptick in violence in today's youth. Kids of today are exposed to a lot more graphic violence on TV, movies, video games and even some music. The typical western of our day showed the sheriff shoot his gun and you saw a puff a smoke followed by the bad guy falling off his horse while clutching his stomach. Now we have a whole slew of Quinton Tarantino type movies with high body counts and extremely graphic violence. Young kids are exposed to this and the violent and extremely realistic video games from a very young age. No wonder that young, impressionable minds are becoming warped. Many of these mass shooters act as if they were in a video game.

Also, there is a decline in religion. like it or not, the Sunday school classes and services that many of us attended as kids helped to shape our moral character.

Another factor is the lack of parenting. Here, in the US, approximately 75% of all African American babies born are born out of wedlock into a single parent families. Study after study shows that kids with only one parent (especially boys without a dad in their lives) are more prone to join gangs, drop out of school and have a criminal record...and, of course, become more violent. And yet we continue to subsidize this type of parenting with our supposedly well intentioned social welfare programs.

Another factor is the ever increasing amount of pschycotropic medications that are prescribed by doctors. I read a disturbing article that stated that many mass shooters are on some type of medication and this may have very well influenced their hysteria. I personally know of two individuals that were put on anti-depressants and ended up committing suicide.

Finally, the press glorifies these sick individuals by publishing their manifestos, biographies, photos, etc. This inspires copy-cat type killings.

If you really want the government to do something, then these are the problems that should be looked at and addressed in some manner.


does this explain why the highest amounts of mass murders through shootings in the US are carried out by races other than African-Americans? all the recent mass murders have been carried out by people who come from good homes i suppose? or grew up with both parents around?

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