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Posted by: Uncle Fred 28.Jan.2019, 05:48 PM

The first question is, is there a need for immigrants in Sweden. Sweden has been a very successful country for the last 100 years, establishing itself as one of the richest countries in the world. It also had one of the highest living standards in the world. All this created by generations of hard-working Swedes. Sweden was a country to be envied. The Swedish model and quality of life gave a very enriched feel to the people of Sweden. Swedes had many things to be proud of, such as Volvo and Saab, ABBA, their advances in medical science and not forgetting IKEA, plus much more. I could go on and on, but I am sure most people know all this.
Sweden has over recent years been a world leader (again) of taking in immigrants including myself (because I am married to a Swede) and providing them with everything they need. Immigrants have been given the same standards and rights as Swedes, treating them as brothers you could say.
However, this has all come at a cost, a cost to those hard-working Swedes who have been so generous to provide.
It has come to a point now where the money pot is running low. If Sweden continues its immigration policy who is going to pay the bill, who is going to bail out Sweden. There are also the other concerns that have appeared and that is rising unemployment and a housing crisis due to the lack of housing. Not a good situation to be in after all the hard work of previous Swedish generations. Bit sad really but hey look on the bright side of life.
The second question is, can Sweden compete with many other nations also lining up to take in immigrates.
This I find difficult to answer because I don’t have crystal ball.

So, the question remains,

How to make Sweden more attractive to immigrants
With so many other nations competing

I am sure many people will disagree with me on this even to the point of denial and calling me a SweNazi. For what I don’t know, but that’s the way we humans are, aren’t we?

P.S.
The original tittle of this thread is,
How to make Sweden more attractive to immigrants
With so many other nations competing

If you see that the tittle has been changed, then you know it’s by one of those posters I mentioned that are in denial.

P.P.S. Yes I have posted in the wrong forum, it should have been "Life in Sweden" thanks in advance for the observation.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.Jan.2019, 06:03 PM

Dear Sweden,

Welcome to the world. I know you’ve missed out on a lot since you’ve been busy counting the money and gold you sommmeeeehowwwww obtained during WW2. Its a shame it is running out huh? Because your good for nothing population has done nothing but suck on the tit of your govt that inevitably poisoned the milk.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 28.Jan.2019, 06:06 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 28.Jan.2019, 05:48 PM) *
The first question is, is there a need for immigrants in Sweden. Sweden has been a very successful country for the last 100 years, establishing itself as one of the richest countries in the world. It also had one of the highest living standards in the world. All this created by generations of hard-working Swedes. Sweden was a country to be envied. The Swedish model and quality of life gave a very enriched feel to the people of Sweden. Swedes had many things to be proud of, such as Volvo and Saab, ABBA, their advances in medical science and not forgetting IKEA, plus much more. I could go on and on, but I am sure most people know all this.
Sweden has over recent years been a world leader (again) of taking in immigrants including myself (because I am married to a Swede) and providing them with everything they need. Immigrants have been given the same standards and rights as Swedes, treating them as brothers you could say.
However, this has all come at a cost, a cost to those hard-working Swedes who have been so generous to provide.
It has come to a point now where the money pot is running low. If Sweden continues its immigration policy who is going to pay the bill, who is going to bail out Sweden. There are also the other concerns that have appeared and that is rising unemployment and a housing crisis due to the lack of housing. Not a good situation to be in after all the hard work of previous Swedish generations. Bit sad really but hey look on the bright side of life.
The second question is, can Sweden compete with many other nations also lining up to take in immigrates.
This I find difficult to answer because I don’t have crystal ball.

So, the question remains,

How to make Sweden more attractive to immigrants
With so many other nations competing

I am sure many people will disagree with me on this even to the point of denial and calling me a SweNazi. For what I don’t know, but that’s the way we humans are, aren’t we?

P.S.
The original tittle of this thread is,
How to make Sweden more attractive to immigrants
With so many other nations competing

If you see that the tittle has been changed, then you know it’s by one of those posters I mentioned that are in denial.

P.P.S. Yes I have posted in the wrong forum, it should have been "Life in Sweden" thanks in advance for the observation.



I love that you include abba in this truncated list of “amazing” things from Sweden.

Did abba even record in Sweden and do they still live there now?

P.s. Abba had to sing in English to become what we know them as now

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 29.Jan.2019, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 28.Jan.2019, 06:03 PM) *
Dear Sweden,

Welcome to the world. I know you’ve missed out on a lot since you’ve been busy counting the money and gold you sommmeeeehowwwww obtained during WW2. Its a shame it is running out huh? Because your good for nothing population has done nothing but suck on the tit of your govt that inevitably poisoned the milk.


That would be Switzerland that you are thinking of in regards to the gold.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.Jan.2019, 08:31 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 29.Jan.2019, 08:19 PM) *
That would be Switzerland that you are thinking of in regards to the gold.


Since this is about Sweden I mentioned just Sweden. But yes, both Sweden and Switzerland partook...



Midway through World War II, both countries, with the full knowledge of their governments and central bank directors, ignored warnings from the Allies about the nature of the gold and other assets they were buying from Germany and continued the trade until the end of the war. As late as 1944, the Swedish National Bank ordered its Swiss financial partners to melt gold bars so they could be stamped with a Swedish insignia to conceal their origin.

These gold bars did not originate only in precious metal expropriated from Jews. In many instances, they had a much more macabre history: they were melted gold teeth, wedding rings and golden glass frames taken from Jews at Auschwitz and other death camps.

Swiss historian Christoph Graf says Switzerland and Sweden were "very much in the same boat" when it came to financial dealings with Nazi Germany, only "the proportions were different."

In fact, documents released recently show that immediately after the war, Switzerland and Sweden had confidential talks to "compare notes" so as not to contradict each other in the face of war-crimes tribunals and possible banking investigations by the Allies.

According to historians, the "dirty trade" encompassed three areas:

The freezing of pre-war accounts held by Jews. By 1940, Sweden outlawed the opening of accounts for non-residents and many Jews mainly from neighbouring countries, including the three Baltic Republic, found they didn't have access to their money.

The purchase of gold that was clearly stolen.

Functioning as a fiscal safe haven for Nazis.






Stings doesn’t it?

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 29.Jan.2019, 09:13 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 29.Jan.2019, 08:31 PM) *
Since this is about Sweden I mentioned just Sweden. But yes, both Sweden and Switzerland partook...



Midway through World War II, both countries, with the full knowledge of their governments and central bank directors, ignored warnings from the Allies about the nature of the gold and other assets they were buying from Germany and continued the trade until the end of the war. As late as 1944, the Swedish National Bank ordered its Swiss financial partners to melt gold bars so they could be stamped with a Swedish insignia to conceal their origin.

These gold bars did not originate only in precious metal expropriated from Jews. In many instances, they had a much more macabre history: they were melted gold teeth, wedding rings and golden glass frames taken from Jews at Auschwitz and other death camps.

Swiss historian Christoph Graf says Switzerland and Sweden were "very much in the same boat" when it came to financial dealings with Nazi Germany, only "the proportions were different."

In fact, documents released recently show that immediately after the war, Switzerland and Sweden had confidential talks to "compare notes" so as not to contradict each other in the face of war-crimes tribunals and possible banking investigations by the Allies.

According to historians, the "dirty trade" encompassed three areas:

The freezing of pre-war accounts held by Jews. By 1940, Sweden outlawed the opening of accounts for non-residents and many Jews mainly from neighbouring countries, including the three Baltic Republic, found they didn't have access to their money.

The purchase of gold that was clearly stolen.

Functioning as a fiscal safe haven for Nazis.






Stings doesn’t it?


If I am to be responsible for what swedes did before my time, than I also get to claim responsibly for the actions of my relatives who fought with the free french forces and my relatives who ran an underground operation to get downed British aircrews out of Europe and back to England.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.Jan.2019, 09:46 PM

QUOTE (nativeswedishengineer @ 29.Jan.2019, 09:13 PM) *
If I am to be responsible for what swedes did before my time, than I also get to claim responsibly for the actions of my relatives who fought with the free french forces and my relatives who ran an underground operation to get downed British aircrews out of Europe and back to England.


Go for it. We should all own up to our histories, national and familial.

Maybe next time don’t try to push off the nastiness I described as something that just the Swiss did.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 29.Jan.2019, 10:04 PM

The old adage...it's an ill wind that blows no good...

Hey, if there is a buck to be made, the bottom line is all that counts...

What a lot of people do not think about is the fact that the winners of the war never thought of nor brought war crimes charges against Sweden...

Sweden did wrong only in the eyes of the uninformed...

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 29.Jan.2019, 11:21 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 29.Jan.2019, 10:04 PM) *
The old adage...it's an ill wind that blows no good...

Hey, if there is a buck to be made, the bottom line is all that counts...

What a lot of people do not think about is the fact that the winners of the war never thought of nor brought war crimes charges against Sweden...

Sweden did wrong only in the eyes of the uninformed...


We’re not going down that hole again. But yes they thought and investigated. Sweden and the Swiss compares dirty notes. They weren’t hit with war crimes, heavier shit was going on, but they were slapped with penalties.

Let’s talk about this and how Sweden is making itself more attractive to Yemeni refugees, and others, by assisting in their respective countries destruction...

I’m sure you’ll say fake news so I’ll link a few so you and your cronies can wriggle around with this...

https://www.google.se/amp/s/sputniknews.com/amp/military/201811261070132468-sweden-saudi-arabia-arms-export/

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.thelocal.se/20181023/sweden-not-stopping-saudi-weapons-exports-after-horrible-journalist-death/amp

https://www.opendemocracy.net/north-africa-west-asia/afrah-nasser/is-sweden-complicit-in-war-crimes-in-yemen


I’ll save more for later. Hahahahaha

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 30.Jan.2019, 01:00 AM

The reality of your post suggests that nothing was investigated and charged as war crimes perpetrated by Sweden...

If there were you would have gladly supplied proof...

Did you know that Hitler was related to the Swedish Royal family???

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 30.Jan.2019, 11:20 AM

We’re not going down that hole again. But yes they thought and investigated. Sweden and the Swiss compares dirty notes. They weren’t hit with war crimes, heavier shit was going on, but they were slapped with penalties.

Let’s talk about this and how Sweden is making itself more attractive to Yemeni refugees, and others, by assisting in their respective countries destruction...

I’m sure you’ll say fake news so I’ll link a few so you and your cronies can wriggle around with this...

https://www.google.se/amp/s/sputniknews.com...ia-arms-export/

https://www.google.se/amp/s/www.thelocal.se...alist-death/amp

https://www.opendemocracy.net/north-africa-...crimes-in-yemen


I’ll save more for later. Hahahahaha

Posted by: Bsmith 30.Jan.2019, 06:29 PM

And, instead of how to make Sweden attractive to the immigrants, shouldn't the question be how to make the immigrants attractive to Sweden? In other words, immigrants who are willing to work hard, who have desirable skills, who actually admire Sweden and wish to assimilate and become Swedish. The whiners, malcontents, malingerers and professional welfare recipients are not needed nor wanted.

To make immigration work, the immigrants must add some form of value to their adopted land and become respected members of society.

Posted by: Gjeebes 30.Jan.2019, 08:00 PM

The best thing to make Sweden an actually attractive destination would be to get rid of "lagom" and Jante's law.

Maybe start to hold people responsible/accountable for their actions? Have government agencies conduct themselves in a professional manner, where employees actually know how to do their jobs as they are being paid to do, rather than fuck-up endlessly as if they were volunteers.

Perhaps the Swedes could start counting "merit" and "achievement" as important values, and work those into the social mores, rather than being completely obsessed by equality of outcome (which in fact just serves to create more inequality).

Affirmative action didn't work in the USA, right?

Maybe instead of just talk talking about something, actually doing something (re: equality, fairness etc).

Get rid of the Fembots also, that would be a good start.

Posted by: Bsmith 30.Jan.2019, 08:18 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 30.Jan.2019, 08:00 PM) *
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Affirmative action didn't work in the USA, right?


I guess it depends upon whom you are asking. If you are the beneficiary of said program, i.e. you were able to land a job based upon a quota system that identifies certain races that are "under represented" or you received college tuition based upon the same, then you probably think it is just great. On the other hand, if you are the victim of said policy i.e. you were passed over for the job or college tuition even though you are more qualified...then you probably think the program is not working. Or if you work at a place of business where affirmative action employees were hired and are not doing a sufficient job but cannot be fired or the race card will be played, causing you to do your work and their's as well...you, again, are most likely to view the program as flawed.

In any case, the whole thing reeks of racism or reverse racism. Also, it is inherently insulting as it implies that certain races are inferior and need special help to succeed.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 30.Jan.2019, 08:39 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 30.Jan.2019, 08:18 PM) *
I guess it depends upon whom you are asking. If you are the beneficiary of said program, i.e. you were able to land a job based upon a quota system that identifies certain races that are "under represented" or you received college tuition based upon the same, then you probably think it is just great. On the other hand, if you are the victim of said policy i.e. you were passed over for the job or college tuition even though you are more qualified...then you probably think the program is not working. Or if you work at a place of business where affirmative action employees were hired and are not doing a sufficient job but cannot be fired or the race card will be played, causing you to do your work and their's as well...you, again, are most likely to view the program as flawed.

In any case, the whole thing reeks of racism or reverse racism. Also, it is inherently insulting as it implies that certain races are inferior and need special help to succeed.


It came about in a different time but has been revised since.

I like what Texas replaces their affirmative action plan with which is that the top 10% of graduating class of high schools is guaranteed a spot at a state university. I think that is a great system. I don’t know if tuition is covered as well, in full or part, but a percentage of that percentage should get tuition paid in full. It probably is like that.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 30.Jan.2019, 08:40 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 30.Jan.2019, 08:00 PM) *
The best thing to make Sweden an actually attractive destination would be to get rid of "lagom" and Jante's law.

Maybe start to hold people responsible/accountable for their actions? Have government agencies conduct themselves in a professional manner, where employees actually know how to do their jobs as they are being paid to do, rather than fuck-up endlessly as if they were volunteers.

Perhaps the Swedes could start counting "merit" and "achievement" as important values, and work those into the social mores, rather than being completely obsessed by equality of outcome (which in fact just serves to create more inequality).

Affirmative action didn't work in the USA, right?

Maybe instead of just talk talking about something, actually doing something (re: equality, fairness etc).

Get rid of the Fembots also, that would be a good start.



The problem with what you describe, however much I agree with you, is that those are qualities that unfortunately make Sweden Sweden

Posted by: Bsmith 31.Jan.2019, 11:43 AM

The main problem with immigration is Sweden is the total lack of any resemblance of a plan. Way too many, way too fast, no adequate housing, lack of jobs and no oversight as to the quality of the immigrants which has resulted in higher crime, and increased social welfare. No wonder the native Swedes are unhappy.

Posted by: Gjeebes 1.Feb.2019, 06:16 PM

"No wonder the native Swedes are unhappy."

They saw the wall they hit, miles before arriving at it, head first, without changing course.

There was enormous public support for the stupidity that ensued as the utterly predictable outcome of the fanatical sympathy that brought on "open arms-open borders". Looked down their noses at all who did not follow their mighty virtuous example.

If they are unhappy, they can simply blame themselves and their (predictably) terrible choices, resulting from their obsession with being more virtuous than thou.

The outcome was text-book predictable; mere common sense could have been enough.

Looks good on them, having to finally face the harsh realities of PC madness. An extreme cautionary tale for all.

Thank you Sweden, you glorious Juggernaut, for "going-for-it" in the name of virtue, so we wouldn't have to.

Posted by: Bsmith 1.Feb.2019, 06:45 PM

I can only hope that the US takes note of the mess that Sweden has become and takes appropriate measures...but I don't have much hope of that. Common sense is not all that common.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 1.Feb.2019, 07:14 PM

Common sense dictates that you allow a large number of people that need assistance with their life into your country by promising them a better lifestyle paid for by the government that you represent thereby guaranteeing your reelection by votes given to you by the recipients of what you promised them...

Naturally this largess will be paid for by the wealthy natives of that country...

This is called equalization of wealth by the Liberals!!!

No matter who and where you are...Come and get it!!! rolleyes.gif

Posted by: Bsmith 1.Feb.2019, 08:32 PM

And remember, any money the government gives you, it took from someone else.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 2.Feb.2019, 11:40 AM

Thing is... America doesn’t have this cradle to grave security net like Sweden. If refugees/ immigrants come to the states, it’s sink or swim. That is the known system.

Sweden allows people, especially the natives, to be a drain on the system.

What you fail to realize, in America, is that illegal immigrants are working, albeit illegally, and spending their money in the us exonomy. That is a good thing.

People like you, bsmith and Gamla, seem to think our US tax money goes towards a welfare state when in reality a majority of it goes to old people like yourselves. The affordable care act is about 2% if even of our taxes.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 2.Feb.2019, 11:43 AM

But please do tell how immigrants are bad for an economy... history has proven otherwise.

What has also been proven is that problems aren’t caused by immigrants but by those and countries that do not accept them.

Posted by: Bsmith 2.Feb.2019, 12:43 PM

Libs keep clamoring that we need immigrants to provide the cheap labor and do the jobs that the natives won't do. First off, that is demeaning and terribly racist and secondly there is a tremendous cost to this so called cheap labor. In the US, here are some of the things that an immigrant (even illegal) is eligible for:

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an income tax return, he gets an "earned income credit"
of up to $3,200 free.
Also...
1- He qualifies for Section-8 housing and subsidized rent;
2- He qualifies for food stamps;
3- He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care;
4- His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school;
5- He requires bilingual teachers and books;
6- He qualifies for relief from high energy bills;
7- If they are, or become aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI;
8- Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare (All of this at taxpayer's {our} expense);
9- He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowner’s insurance;
10- Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material;
11- He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits;
12- Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his;
13- The American taxpayers also pays for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.
14- Free Child Care (i.e., free babysitting from 6 AM – 6 PM
15- Free ‘mommy makeovers’ after having their children ( includes: tummy tuck and breast lift)
Cheap labor? Yeah right!

Posted by: Uncle Fred 2.Feb.2019, 01:35 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Feb.2019, 12:43 PM) *
Libs keep clamoring that we need immigrants to provide the cheap labor and do the jobs that the natives won't do. First off, that is demeaning and terribly racist and secondly there is a tremendous cost to this so called cheap labor. In the US, here are some of the things that an immigrant (even illegal) is eligible for:

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an income tax return, he gets an "earned income credit"
of up to $3,200 free.
Also...
1- He qualifies for Section-8 housing and subsidized rent;
2- He qualifies for food stamps;
3- He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care;
4- His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school;
5- He requires bilingual teachers and books;
6- He qualifies for relief from high energy bills;
7- If they are, or become aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI;
8- Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare (All of this at taxpayer's {our} expense);
9- He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowner’s insurance;
10- Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material;
11- He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits;
12- Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his;
13- The American taxpayers also pays for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.
14- Free Child Care (i.e., free babysitting from 6 AM – 6 PM
15- Free ‘mommy makeovers’ after having their children ( includes: tummy tuck and breast lift)
Cheap labor? Yeah right!

Isn't that Sweden you are referring too.

Posted by: intrepidfox 2.Feb.2019, 02:15 PM

How to make Sweden more attractive to immigrants

Why should they? Better to have the courses and education for the people that live here

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 2.Feb.2019, 02:23 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 1.Feb.2019, 06:45 PM) *
I can only hope that the US takes note of the mess that Sweden has become and takes appropriate measures...but I don't have much hope of that. Common sense is not all that common.


Your country was the one that invented modern import of plantation slaves. It was named H-1B and L-1.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 2.Feb.2019, 02:24 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Feb.2019, 12:43 PM) *
Libs keep clamoring that we need immigrants to provide the cheap labor and do the jobs that the natives won't do. First off, that is demeaning and terribly racist and secondly there is a tremendous cost to this so called cheap labor. In the US, here are some of the things that an immigrant (even illegal) is eligible for:

Take, for example, an illegal alien with a wife and five children. He takes a job for $5.00 or $6.00/hour. At that wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, yet at the end of the year, if he files an income tax return, he gets an "earned income credit"
of up to $3,200 free.
Also...
1- He qualifies for Section-8 housing and subsidized rent;
2- He qualifies for food stamps;
3- He qualifies for free (no deductible, no co-pay) health care;
4- His children get free breakfasts and lunches at school;
5- He requires bilingual teachers and books;
6- He qualifies for relief from high energy bills;
7- If they are, or become aged, blind or disabled, they qualify for SSI;
8- Once qualified for SSI they can qualify for Medicare (All of this at taxpayer's {our} expense);
9- He doesn't worry about car insurance, life insurance, or homeowner’s insurance;
10- Taxpayers provide Spanish language signs, bulletins and printed material;
11- He and his family receive the equivalent of $20.00 to $30.00/hour in benefits;
12- Working Americans are lucky to have $5.00 or $6.00/hour left after paying their bills and his;
13- The American taxpayers also pays for increased crime, graffiti and trash clean-up.
14- Free Child Care (i.e., free babysitting from 6 AM – 6 PM
15- Free ‘mommy makeovers’ after having their children ( includes: tummy tuck and breast lift)
Cheap labor? Yeah right!



Illegal immigrants pay about 11 billion tax dollars a year. These people pay into a system while rarely benefitting from social securities. They will use a fake number to get work and be paid, but will rarely use that to obtain benefits... they don’t want to reveal their illegal status.

You are right they QUALIFY for benefits which they do not take. They will rarely take treatment for medical conditions other than an emergency room which they pay for.

Lol the one about the Spanish signage is hilarious... what about all the legal immigrants?????? What about all the polish, Russia, Chinese, Korean, etc. signs and translations do you see in major cities? Boo hoo.

I’d rather see the tax money going to military, and 4 billion of trumps requested 5.7 for a wall, be spent on affordable housing, schools, and hospitals. Hell, while we’re at it, also recognize autonomous power within state governments.

Posted by: nativeswedishengineer 2.Feb.2019, 02:33 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 2.Feb.2019, 02:24 PM) *
Illegal immigrants pay about 11 billion tax dollars a year. These people pay into a system while rarely benefitting from social securities. They will use a fake number to get work and be paid, but will rarely use that to obtain benefits... they don’t want to reveal their illegal status.

You are right they QUALIFY for benefits which they do not take. They will rarely take treatment for medical conditions other than an emergency room which they pay for.

Lol the one about the Spanish signage is hilarious... what about all the legal immigrants?????? What about all the polish, Russia, Chinese, Korean, etc. signs and translations do you see in major cities? Boo hoo.

I’d rather see the tax money going to military, and 4 billion of trumps requested 5.7 for a wall, be spent on affordable housing, schools, and hospitals. Hell, while we’re at it, also recognize autonomous power within state governments.


And how much more tax revenue would be generated if corporations had to pay more than minimum wage to get qualified labour? How much wellfare money is spend due to native workers beeing displaced by illegal immigrants?

Posted by: Bsmith 2.Feb.2019, 02:34 PM

QUOTE (Uncle Fred @ 2.Feb.2019, 01:35 PM) *
Isn't that Sweden you are referring too.



There are parallels.

Posted by: Gjeebes 2.Feb.2019, 06:12 PM

"...an illegal alien with a wife and five children...files an income tax return..."

Not sure I believe that is even possible, but if I did, I would most certainly think that sounds like something the Meatballs would do.

If the mighty US of A allows "illegals" to file tax returns, well, that poses a bigger problem than the "illegals" in the first place.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 2.Feb.2019, 06:28 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 2.Feb.2019, 06:12 PM) *
"...an illegal alien with a wife and five children...files an income tax return..."

Not sure I believe that is even possible, but if I did, I would most certainly think that sounds like something the Meatballs would do.

If the mighty US of A allows "illegals" to file tax returns, well, that poses a bigger problem than the "illegals" in the first place.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.vox.com/platform/amp/policy-and-politics/2017/4/17/15290950/undocumented-immigrants-file-tax-returns


They work and have taxes taken out of their paychecks using a false social security number. They don’t use that number to claim benefits.



Only meatballs would let people be undocumented and get benefits.

Posted by: Gjeebes 2.Feb.2019, 07:29 PM

"They don’t use that number to claim benefits."

Really? Like, not one? And you know that, how ? (don't answer that one, it was rhetorical)

Another fine, unsubstantiated generalisation, the likes of which you've become known for.

You always seem to throw in these little charmers once you've finally lost track of what it was you were talking about, having forgotten just what point it was you were working on.

Posted by: Bsmith 2.Feb.2019, 07:32 PM

There are indications that illegal aliens even vote in America.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 2.Feb.2019, 07:53 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 2.Feb.2019, 07:29 PM) *
"They don’t use that number to claim benefits."

Really? Like, not one? And you know that, how ? (don't answer that one, it was rhetorical)

Another fine, unsubstantiated generalisation, the likes of which you've become known for.

You always seem to throw in these little charmers once you've finally lost track of what it was you were talking about, having forgotten just what point it was you were working on.


Oh it’s crystal clear, Gamla. Generalizations are all the rage here don’t you know? Point is there aren’t any substantial impacts made by illegal immigration and their “cost” in the states.

Here’s another generalization... they rarely take out benefits and the contributions made balance it out.



QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Feb.2019, 07:32 PM) *
There are indications that illegal aliens even vote in America.


Maybe they vote republican?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Feb.2019, 09:58 PM

What a pitiful person you are WhatWhat, you still have no idea of what the written word means, do you realize you have again answered a post by another poster and claimed it was me that posted it...

Totally worthless and only me on your mind...Do you dream of me when you sleep, if so it probably is your only pleasure in life...

Sleep well laugh.gif

Posted by: Bsmith 2.Feb.2019, 10:02 PM

He is an immature troll who tries to wind up people thus the foul mouth and attitude. Treat him like a dog turd. Wipe him off and go on about your way.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Feb.2019, 10:43 PM

You are right!!!

I've just sent him to Coventry... angry.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 2.Feb.2019, 10:46 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 2.Feb.2019, 07:53 PM) *
Maybe they vote republican?




QUOTE (Bsmith @ 2.Feb.2019, 10:02 PM) *
He is an immature troll who tries to wind up people thus the foul mouth and attitude. Treat him like a dog turd. Wipe him off and go on about your way.


Wow. I didn’t know you took such offense to Republicans... and dog turds. Don’t like when someone has a different opinion than you??




QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 2.Feb.2019, 09:58 PM) *
What a pitiful person you are WhatWhat, you still have no idea of what the written word means, do you realize you have again answered a post by another poster and claimed it was me that posted it...

Totally worthless and only me on your mind...Do you dream of me when you sleep, if so it probably is your only pleasure in life...

Sleep well laugh.gif


Weird you think of me sleeping. It’s be great if you went to a sketch artist and described what you imagined me as and then posted it here. Or if you just drew it yourself. Probably won’t because you think this is a trap game... referring to your “gotcha” in another thread.

Written word, typed word... either way, you are mistaken and this has nothing to do with you old boy. Chill out.

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