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Dog transport question..

..between mainland Europe & UK

pulltheweather
post 6.Jan.2012, 10:15 PM
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...but first I will come from the U.S. The UK requires that all dogs be flown/boated over boarded in a crate. The route must be official and approved.

I have heard that some travelers avoid crating their dogs by flying into a country like Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, France etc., then driving through the Eurotunnel, or by taking a ferry route approved by British authorities.

If I try this, does anyone know if British agents will check to see how I got from the U.S. to mainland Europe in the first place?

I'm not doing anything shady or dangerous in the least. My dog will have all the proper paperwork, and will still be kept away from all other dogs during transatlantic travel.

I'm thinking this method works because when I cross into the U.K., my dog will meet every requirement on the British checklist, and by then, I'll be traveling an approved route.

Does anyone have any experience/knowledge in this area? Am I missing anything? I know the EU has pet requirements as well. I'll be sure to take care of those too.

Thanks!
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skogsbo
post 7.Jan.2012, 01:05 AM
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Just research and meet theUS to SE requirents , dnt add in exttra detours, think of the pet.
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skogsbo
post 7.Jan.2012, 01:06 AM
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Just research and meet the US to SE requirents , dont add in exttra detours, think of the pet.
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pulltheweather
post 7.Jan.2012, 04:34 AM
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Thanks Skogsbo.

I've been searching for the past few days but have not been able to find the answers to the questions I listed.

Rest assured, I am certainly putting the dog first. I'm vegan. I don't kill flies. I spend more time with my dog than Americans spend with their kids. I am ensuring that the dog wont be worried/uncomfortable.
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pulltheweather
post 7.Jan.2012, 06:12 AM
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Also, I did not mean to imply that I will crate my dog. Nor did I mean to imply that I am flying. I am doing neither.

My original post was very confusing in that regard. I brought up flying in an attempt to better understand the regulations.

I appreciate your concern Skogsbo. That is very responsible of you.
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Puffin
post 7.Jan.2012, 09:19 AM
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Are there many transatlantic airlines that will allow you to fly with an uncreated dog?

I think that it may be a bureaucratic nightmare tryng to fly in a pet into a country where you are not staying and where you have no connections - not to mention the distance between Sweden and the UK which would take a couple of days driving passing through several other countries with their regulations to be considered
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johnjohn
post 7.Jan.2012, 09:33 AM
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There are some airlines in which you can have dog under 12kilo in the cabin but in a carrier. It is unclear what the OP is trying to do. Perhaps if you could give your departure and arrival cities more help would be possible. Good luck.
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pulltheweather
post 7.Jan.2012, 09:43 AM
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Hey Puffin.

The rule is that dogs under 15 pounds can go in the cabin. I'm not flying though.

As far as the bureaucratic nightmare, it's not as bad as you might think.

Sweden is tougher than most places. So is the U.K. I'm avoiding Sweden. The U.S., to France, to England is all I aspire to do.

The Schengen Area all pretty much has the same rules. Sweden and the U.K. do too, pretty much. But DEFRA - Department Farm Rural Agriculture..or something (the U.K. regulator) doesn't think of everything apparently. So I haven't my question answered on their site. I emailed them a while ago. And, of course, I haven't heard back. Maybe I should find a way to dial +44 just to make sure everything checks out.

Really the only issue I'm concerned with is approved routes for the U.K. They only make them for the U.K., since they are only the U.K. I just want to make sure they don't have anything to gripe about.

I'm searching for jobs in a couple places; not just visiting. I agree that this isn't worth it for a visit.

Thank you.
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Rick Methven
post 7.Jan.2012, 09:52 AM
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ICAO rules governing the transportation of animals by air, that must be observed by all airlines, state that any animal must be transported in a suitable container (crate) in a pressurised hold.

As for transportation across Europe, you need a pet passport to transport an animal ( dog/cat) across borders within Mainland Europe. This is basically a vaccination certificate.

The rules for importing a dog into the UK have changed since 1st January this is a summary of new regulations.

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Rules as From 1 January 2012

From EU Member States and non-EU Approved Countries (checklist here) These procedures should take place in the order given:

Microchip pet
Vet scans microchip and adminsters rabies vaccine
EU Pet Passport or Official Veterinary Health Certificate issued certifying microchip and vaccination
Minimum 21 days to have elapsed since the rabies vaccine was administered

Before entering the UK your pet must be treated for ticks and tapeworms. The treatment must be given between 24 and 48 hours prior to entry to the UK. The vet who administers this treatment will scan your pet's microchip and sign, date and stamp his passport. It is your responsibility to ensure that these procedures are followed.
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byke
post 7.Jan.2012, 09:53 AM
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England is very paranoid about animals being brought into the country.
I do not think its as easy as you think.
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pulltheweather
post 7.Jan.2012, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE (johnjohn @ 7.Jan.2012, 08:33 AM) *
There are some airlines in which you can have dog under 12kilo in the cabin but in a carrier. It is unclear what the OP is trying to do. Perhaps if you could give your departu ... (show full quote)

Thank you smile.gif

You're right, I haven't been very clear.

I'm still trying to figure out what ports. Probably NYC to Hamburg.
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pulltheweather
post 7.Jan.2012, 10:03 AM
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QUOTE (byke @ 7.Jan.2012, 08:53 AM) *
England is very paranoid about animals being brought into the country.. I do not think its as easy as you think.

How easy do you think I think it is? smile.gif

I've been reading on and off about it for the past couple months. The past three days I've been reading about it extensively.

I know the requirements. I know it is expensive. I know England is paranoid about animals, although their requirements have been relaxed as of 7 days ago.

The truth is, I doubt whoever answers the phones at DEFRA knows the answers to my questions. Legislators make laws, and leave it at that. A higher up could translate the law just fine. But someone who has been trained to read back the departments website might not be much help.

I was hoping someone on here would have first hand knowledge of the process, but I knew it was a long shot.

Thank you Byke, Puffin, & JohnJohn.
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byke
post 7.Jan.2012, 11:39 AM
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As a person growing up in the UK, I can tell you that there was always a sense of paranoia regarding rabies etc.
I don't know why so much emphasis was placed on such, but there were always extensive campaigns warning the public about such (with a great deal of finger pointing towards france).

Anyone who visited france for the day (Dover to Calais) were always greeted with huge posters and warnings of punishment both on the ferry and in the ports.

As time has passed and the EU has become more of an alliance, and I believe its in part the reason why we have seen such a relaxation of the law. And while the relaxations may be in place, I expect they won't truly filter down until much time has passed (and even then interpreted in different ways).

England is a society of fines.
They love to fine you as a way of punishment to emphasise your mistake in an attempt that you don't make the same mistake again ... (as well as making a few extra € in the process).

So my fear would be if you got caught and they wanted to be pissy about it ... they would insist in going the long route with fines and expenses to ensure you feel punished (regardless of the animals welfare). And you may find you dogs been shipped back to germany etc, through a means you have no control over.

So be careful ... as I can tell you that lately I have seen more check points and searches when traveling through europe than a few years ago.
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Puffin
post 7.Jan.2012, 02:00 PM
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I'm puzzled - you seem to be very dismissive that we have got the idea that you want to import your pet via Sweden yet yiu are posting on a site for ex-pats living in Sweden - why not post on the Local's German site if you are interested in German posrts?

I thought that the European pet passport arrangements were only available if you were in fact a resident of the EU? It takes time to get an EU pet passport that allows you movement between the EU states - when we applied the process took several weeks and we had to submit a resport from our own vet in Denmark and a vaccination record

However the process was still not easy and we spent several hours clearing customs even with a pet passport - we were in fact escorted by armed customs guards to a government vet before we were allowed to enter Sweden
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pulltheweather
post 7.Jan.2012, 08:19 PM
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Byke - if I were caught doing what? Following the law to a tee? I was just trying to get clarification that this is what I would be doing. I'll just buy an international calling plan and call the authorities instead.

I feel like I'm reading your guys posts with more focus than you are reading mine. That is to be expected. This is my concern after all.

Puffin - My dismissiveness is a reaction to yours. Maybe you can apply the same level of criticality to your own posts that you apply to mine.

I would never expect you guys to perform research for me. That said, neither of you is speaking from a position of expertise, yet you write me off and suggest I don't know what I'm talking about. I'll be prepared for waits of a few hours. I don't care.

I tried to be friendly. I even put up the fake smiley faces and everything. On one hand, I appreciate your effort, but if you don't know the answers to my questions, then why waste time responding? Do you have that much of an affinity to message board posting?

I should have posted in a pets forum. I recognize that now. I'll do that from now on.
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