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Nazi threat in Sweden

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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 13.Aug.2018, 10:26 PM
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"How did your people get to America? They spring up from the ground? "

Yes!!! laugh.gif
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wallace1837
post 14.Aug.2018, 01:12 AM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 13.Aug.2018, 11:16 PM) *
"Sweden collaborated with Nazi Germany during world war 2."Your sources are inaccurate...If Sweden broke the rules of neutrality and collaborated with the Nazi regim ... (show full quote)

You really think that a crime is only real, when someone is punished for it? I don't really understand the logic behind that fallacy. Maybe you could elaborate?

"The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom during World War II, Winston Churchill, accused Sweden of ignoring the greater moral issues and playing both sides for profit during the conflict, including its supply of steel and machine parts to Nazi Germany throughout the war." from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during...ar_II#Aftermath
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 14.Aug.2018, 01:40 AM
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"The Prime Minister of the United Kingdom during World War II, Winston Churchill, accused Sweden of ignoring the greater moral issues and playing both sides for profit during the conflict, including its supply of steel and machine parts to Nazi Germany throughout the war." from: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during...Aftermath"

He also was only a heartbeat away from invading Sweden to get its iron ore supplies...
In case you do not know the invasion of a neutral country is not quite right, after all, he was trying to emulate Hitler who had no qualms about invading neutral countries, had Hitler not invaded neutral Norway, Churchil had the boats loaded to invade neutral Sweden...

If his lies about Sweden were considered by the Allies to be true Sweden would have been punished after the war...And guess what???

They were not!!!

Only the Allies know the truth about that war, anything else is false news!!!
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wallace1837
post 14.Aug.2018, 01:43 AM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 14.Aug.2018, 02:40 AM) *
If his lies about Sweden were considered by the Allies to be true Sweden would have been punished after the war...And guess what???. They were not!!!

Where they you developed that fallacious reasoning that it is only if you are punished that you did something wrong?
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 14.Aug.2018, 01:54 AM
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Do you think punishment for Sweden who did no wrong is right???

I repeat if Sweden had broken the laws of neutrality she would have been punished by the Allies who are the only ones who know the truth, the rest is political bollocks and fallacy!!!

There was no punishment because there was no breach of neutrality...
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wallace1837
post 14.Aug.2018, 02:23 AM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 14.Aug.2018, 01:54 AM) *
Do you think punishment for Sweden who did no wrong is right???

Whataboutism again...

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 14.Aug.2018, 01:54 AM) *
I repeat if Sweden had broken the laws of neutrality she would have been punished by the Allies who are the only ones who know the truth, the rest is political bollocks and fa ... (show full quote)

No punishment, means no punishment. That's it. It doesn't mean that what they did was right, nor it means that no crime was done.

What I am showing is that Sweden collaborated with Nazi during WW2, that is it.

If you think they didn't do anything wrong by exporting iron to make weapon that were use to kill innocents and civilians by nazi. You have a twisted/Swedish view of the world. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during...To_Nazi_Germany

"Sir Ralph Glyn, a British Member of Parliament, claimed that a cessation of Swedish iron ore exports would bring the war to an end within months." from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweden_during...To_Nazi_Germany
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 14.Aug.2018, 02:37 AM
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More bollocks...you just can't face reality...

It's only political opinions you are relating too, not facts...Sweden as a neutral country; had the Germans won, would have accused Sweden of collaborating with the Allies...

Neutral countries can deal with everybody and they did...

Neutral is as neutral does and that is dealing with any and all combatants...

You don't like it but all you can do is continue posting false news!!!
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Gjeebes
post 14.Aug.2018, 03:08 AM
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Wow, Gamla's panties are in quite the knot.

He just can't accept the non-unicorns and rainbows narrative of the Greasy Meatball.

Gamla, you do realise your own country wanted to BOMB Piteå, right? And that it was Churchill who denied them that pleasure, because the Allies were also a big customer of Sweden's war profiteering programme, right?

And Gamla, you are aware of the national guilt of how your Meatballs behaved during this period, yes? And the lack of pride they have in having done nothing to stop Hitler, yes?

So enough of your virtue-signalling!

"Neutral countries can deal with everybody and they did..."

Correct, if by that you mean selling weapons in deals to anyone with the cash!

And Gamla, you also overlook the moral inferiority the Meatballs expressed by allowing high-ranking Nazis to vacation in Sweden to screw Stockholm's whores and shoot heroin, yes?
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wallace1837
post 14.Aug.2018, 03:12 AM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 14.Aug.2018, 02:37 AM) *
You don't like it but all you can do is continue posting false news!!!

Humm, it is not news. It is more than half a century old.

Oh, and it is real.

In short, it is not false, and it is not news.
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Gjeebes
post 14.Aug.2018, 03:24 AM
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"So, when you need to appeal to authority, suddenly swedish higher education is a-ok, right? The only thing Tino has ever been professor of is his own pompous ass. FFS he has to beg for research funds from the public"

Haha, you must be Gamla's great great great nephew! Tino was educated mostly in the US of A.

And in any case, you missed the point (as usual) which was that his book was banned by a Swedish library, yet Hitler's book wasn't!
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Gjeebes
post 14.Aug.2018, 03:33 AM
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https://wikivividly.com/wiki/Midsummer_crisis

Deliquent Meatballia has no morals...does anything to make a buck!

1) "According to Winston Churchill, during the war Sweden ignored the greater moral issues and played both sides for profit (particularly in the German occupation of Denmark and Norway, supported by transportation through Sweden sanctioned by Hansson's cabinet).[3]"

2) "The "midsummer crisis", highly publicized in 1941, was interpreted as a sign of King Gustav V's personal responsibility for Swedish weakness towards Nazi Germany.[5]"

3) "According to Ernst Wigforss, Gustaf V and Prince Gustav Adolf attempted to persuade the Swedish government to allow the Allies to transport troops through Sweden; this was rejected due to concerns about German retribution."

So, the Meatballs allowed Germans troops through Sweden, but NOT Allied troops.

Hmmm. That doesn't seem very neutral to me? I guess the Germans in that moment, had a fatter wallet!
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Saywhatwhat
post 14.Aug.2018, 06:17 AM
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Don't forget that Sweden was paid by Germany in stolen Jewish gold! In fact a lot of Sweden's wealth, that they continued to ride on, was created from ww2 and dirty money.


Gamla, give it up. No, Sweden was not punished. But yes, they collaborated with the Nazis and there was a lot of Nazi sympathy. Sweden was Hitler's Aryan darling.
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nativeswedishengineer
post 14.Aug.2018, 06:30 AM
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QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 14.Aug.2018, 07:17 AM) *
Don't forget that Sweden was paid by Germany in stolen Jewish gold! In fact a lot of Sweden's wealth, that they continued to ride on, was created from ww2 and dirty money.. ...


Do you have any references to this?
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nativeswedishengineer
post 14.Aug.2018, 01:39 PM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 14.Aug.2018, 02:12 AM) *
You really think that a crime is only real, when someone is punished for it? I don't really understand the logic behind that fallacy. Maybe you could elaborate?"The P ... (show full quote)


An accusation of immorality from the minister who had no problem starving the colonies nor using chemical weapons the weight of guilt weighs heavy on us.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 14.Aug.2018, 01:41 PM
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This is a debate that is caused by what people falsely believe and not the facts...which are: Sweden was a neutral country and could deal with both sides as long as the accepted rules of neutrality at that time were followed...

Those not understanding what was accepted at that time have their opinion and the rest of us have the truth...bluntly put Sweden could do whatever was needed to survive at that time and not get involved with either side to the extant that would cause Sweden to lose the status of a neutral country...

And that's what happened...
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