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Job in Sweden for Foreigners

Is it easy to find it?

yorkie redux
post 17.Dec.2014, 12:42 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 17.Dec.2014, 09:40 AM) *
People coming to Sweden need to understand, it is exactly the same as anywhere else.


That's a dubious statement too. People that plan on coming to Sweden need to realise that there really isn't a job market in which they can compete. Cultural fit is a byword for recruitment practices that offer little hope to those who speak Swedish and have lived in Sweden for years, but are manifestly not Swedish.
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LLHope
post 17.Dec.2014, 12:53 PM
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Location: Stockholm
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QUOTE (yorkie redux @ 17.Dec.2014, 12:42 PM) *
Cultural fit is a byword for recruitment practices that offer little hope to those who speak Swedish and have lived in Sweden for years, but are manifestly not Swedish.

Company culture fit are an essential part of recruiting the right person for a job, this is a standard criteria that is used in companies around the world, it is not unique to Sweden. A recruiters job is two-fold, does the candidate fit the company and is the company the right fit for the candidate.
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p201055r
post 17.Dec.2014, 02:01 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:53 AM) *
Company culture fit is an essential part of recruiting the right person for a job, this is a standard criterion that is used in companies around the world, it is not unique to ... (show full quote)

I tend to agree with LLHope on this, yorkie, but only a little. He seems to have an understanding of the process, perhaps less so the reality or the perception of the foreigner looking on or looking in.
My Swedish work-colleagues often question the over-reliance on perceived "fit", its measurement and the prominence attached to it in awarding employment.
Ditto the hugely influential place which recruiters/head-hunters are allowed to occupy or insinuate themselves in an employment selection process.
The school leaver with no employment track-record or the foreigner with no experience of Swedish working techniques and that all important "process" mentality, can hardly be fairly adjudged as a good "fit" for a company or a company tas a good "fit" to the individual. And yet that "fit" is far too often cited as the success or fail factor.
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LLHope
post 17.Dec.2014, 02:46 PM
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QUOTE (p201055r @ 17.Dec.2014, 02:01 PM) *
The school leaver with no employment track-record
Fit can be determined by personality profiling, either by testing or a skilled interviewer. For example, if the Company has a policy of open-plan offices then the best fit employee is more likely to be an extrovert rather than an introvert. An introvert will not be comfortable in open-plan which often leads to lower performance and less likely to be happy going to work and more likely to leave the company.
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p201055r
post 17.Dec.2014, 03:11 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 17.Dec.2014, 01:46 PM) *
Fit can be determined by personality profiling, either by testing or a skilled interviewer. For example, if the Company has a policy of open-plan offices then the best fit emp ... (show full quote)


Hence "My Swedish work-colleagues often question the over-reliance on perceived "fit", its measurement and the prominence attached to it in awarding employment.

Ditto the hugely influential place which recruiters/head-hunters are allowed to occupy or insinuate themselves in an employment selection process."
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yorkie redux
post 17.Dec.2014, 03:16 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 17.Dec.2014, 11:53 AM) *
Company culture fit are an essential part of recruiting the right person for a job, this is a standard criteria that is used in companies around the world, it is not unique to ... (show full quote)


Indeed, that is not under dispute.

What is contentious is how cultural fit is measured in the Nordics compared to say the UK and US - is it [In Sweden] through a rigorous process that seeks to assess candidates on pre-set criteria via a range of psychometric and structured interviewing techniques or is it simply that cultural fit is assessed by looking at candidate names and assessing their ethnicity and acceptability to the workforce on that basis alone.

I understand what LLHope/Yorkshireman has described as a process to assess cultural fit, it's just that I've never seen it deployed in Sweden.
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littleviking
post 17.Dec.2014, 04:35 PM
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I am still a bit confused by the process.
how do they check if you would fit if they dont even call you for an interview.
I speak okay Swedish, i have studied in sweden, i have work experience from summer jobs in my home country as well as some work experience from working a bit for the university, i have 2 separate references(which are from the work i did not from the school teachers). I have a swedish cv, swedish cover letter, the personal number is quite big in the cv. I speak quite a lot of languages and i am not particularly picky about jobs, i just want one.
I send in color pictures when applying so they see i am white and blond and blue eyed so they see i would "fit"in. I call what numbers i find on applications but most of the time they say they are busy and i should leave my name and number and they will call me back later.
I send also emails, especially when i dont get called back, I call again and still I have no interview. For the city I leave in most is done through staffing companies and such which have no offices here. I cant really visit them in Gotheburg or something.
At this point i am not sure what i can do more to get even a job interview. I even thought of changing my last name but its just to complicated.
How do these people decide i am not good for the jobs or that I dont fit`?
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p201055r
post 17.Dec.2014, 06:10 PM
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I sense you're not the only one - including lots of Swedes - confused by the "process" of "fit suitability", littleviking.

The lack of an empirical, transparent or other method of measurement to assess "fit" is perplexing at best and these deficiencies in the process (in an otherwise open society) leave it susceptible of other interpretations or motivations, especially by those who "suffer" from the process.
I'm not sure the blonde, blue-eyed thing is valid, but since the "fit" measurement method is opaque, it becomes an understandable conclusion.
It's the job of head-hunter types to draw up short-lists for their corporate clients. If they feel you don't cut the mustard, then "fit" or not, you're out of their reckoning and thus the selection process. Right or wrong, that's their job. Once they (eventually) whittle down the candidates to between 3 and 10, then their job's done, more or less.
How they decide on "fit" without interview or suitability/psychometric tests (and some the results of the latter that I've encountered have been utterly appalling people, high scorers in tests, but devoid of personality, ethics, common sense, social skills and lots more) may be revealed in the next life, unlikely in this one!
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 17.Dec.2014, 06:52 PM
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There are a lot of "native" Swedes that have a hard time finding (permanent) employment, too...
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intrepidfox
post 17.Dec.2014, 07:00 PM
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Location: Gothenburg
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QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 17.Dec.2014, 06:52 PM) *
There are a lot of "native" Swedes that have a hard time finding (permanent) employment, too...


Actually there are very few permanent jobs anywhere in the world. Years ago you left school, got a job and stayed there until retirement. Sadly that will never happen again
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yorkie redux
post 17.Dec.2014, 07:15 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 17.Dec.2014, 05:52 PM) *
There are a lot of "native" Swedes that have a hard time finding (permanent) employment, too...


This isn't that surprising, as many are educated to the same dismal standard. The socialist model provides a huge disassociation between the needs of the job market/employers and the focus of the education system. Of course, you'll never get a Swede to admit this - they've spent their entire life being told that they [and Sweden] is the best thing since Julmust.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 17.Dec.2014, 07:23 PM
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It is/was my understanding that the employer tax base is related to full time "permanent" employees, and that having "temps" is beneficial to them...am I wrong???
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magg
post 17.Dec.2014, 07:40 PM
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You guys are putting a lot of philosophy into what is probably a simple question of supply and demand. Haven't heard of any licensed medical doctors who had a problem being declared culturally fit, as long as they didn't come to an interview with a chainsaw. And for jobs that thousands want and pretty much any generic university graduate can do (and I am under the impression that it's usually these kind of profiles that have the hardest time, as both specific high skilled work and unskilled but miserably paid work are not that hard to come by), there can be good and bad hiring practices but the sad truth remains that there are simply too many people wanting too few jobs. And ultimately, for most of them, native Swedish will always be a slight advantage over even the best scores in SAS.
I also struggled like hell to find a job in Sweden and ultimately found a well paid one abroad, urging my entire family to move, but I never felt the problem was discrimination. The problem was the sheer amount of competition for the kind of jobs I foolishly trained to do. Ask anyone who wants to work for the UN if their problem is not being a good fit for the organisation or if their problem is the fact that there are tens of thousands of starry eyed dreamers coveting these jobs.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 17.Dec.2014, 07:53 PM
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Hey!...That's too sensible an explanation...Now people can't complain about prejudice and racism!!!

Now it's no fun!!! laugh.gif
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littleviking
post 17.Dec.2014, 08:28 PM
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Joined: 26.Feb.2014

@ magg it quite hard even to get a plain job even in a factory that isnt well payed. I gave up hope for a qualified job some time ago.
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