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TV Licences needed for iPads and computers

Regarding the latest SVT changes ...

Bender B Rodriquez
post 7.Mar.2013, 02:23 PM
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The law is dubious enough for them to try.
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byke
post 7.Mar.2013, 02:25 PM
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You know what I am going to say regarding that, so I wont say it.
Simply put ... agreed.
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mångk
post 7.Mar.2013, 02:27 PM
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QUOTE (Bender B Rodriquez @ 7.Mar.2013, 02:18 PM) *
Yes, one would expect this, but it is not certain until we have a precedent. Radiotjänst is simply pushing for a precedent by using their interpretation of the law.

Not really because video codecs on a computer or mobile device are no different to 'tv manufacturers' own codecs.

Sweden does not own all tv manufacturing companies.

It boils down to a very simple question. Can one view youtube or svtplay.se if so the law is applicable!
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Yorkshireman
post 7.Mar.2013, 02:55 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 7.Mar.2013, 02:13 PM) *
Again, it cant be received as to receive it as a TV program often requires 3rd party apps.. So its the app which is the receiver or tuner.. And the hardware has nothing to do with it.

You have gone too far down the chain matey ... the receiver of the data stream is actually the device, on a computer it is the network card, it then forwards the stream to the app for decoding. So, the device receives the packaged moving pictures with or without sound!

This is also why the internet connection is relevant, since that is the electronic communications required.

Radiotjänst doesn't require a clarification of the law, the law when changed a little while ago would have been reviewed at that time by the normal expert group that consider the consequences of the law, the enforceability and whether or not there are conflicts with existing laws etc...

The only way is to make a exceptional argument in court when they try to prosecute you for not paying, why not give it a try wink.gif
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byke
post 7.Mar.2013, 03:20 PM
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QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 7.Mar.2013, 02:55 PM) *
You have gone too far down the chain matey ... the receiver of the data stream is actually the device, on a computer it is the network card, it then forwards the stream to the ... (show full quote)

Not at all under the same hypothesis, simply being alive would qualify for your line of deduction.

QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 7.Mar.2013, 02:55 PM) *
This is also why the internet connection is relevant, since that is the electronic communications required.

The law makes no reference to delivery method, this is why its technology neutral laugh.gif
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mångk
post 7.Mar.2013, 03:36 PM
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"För att kunna ta emot TV-sändning via Internet krävs en dator med Internetuppkoppling."

That is the key wording from the relevant proposition.

So once one of the 'providers of media services (read SVT or the other providers)' made available the transmission of or playback of a sufficient amount of tv-programs available via their website the fee applied to those who have a computer and internet connection.

It is a fee or tax if you like to fund a community service.

Ironically Sweden is ensuring that it meets the requirements contained within EU directives! So I am really not so sure what the drama is!
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Yorkshireman
post 7.Mar.2013, 03:55 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 7.Mar.2013, 03:20 PM) *
Not at all under the same hypothesis, simply being alive would qualify for your line of deduction.

It's not a hypothesis, just remove your network card from your computer, or switch off networking services on your device ...then try and receive television programs across the internet! tongue.gif

QUOTE (mångk @ 7.Mar.2013, 03:36 PM) *
It is a fee or tax if you like to fund a community service.

It is a charge/fee and not a tax ... Within the EU, in a Member State, revenue from a charge must go to whatever it is that they say the charge is going to pay for, so in the case of tv-avgift the license fee is for provision of Public Broadcasting, so the revenue must go in that direction, which it does. If it was a tax, then the revenue collected can be used for other things also, and doesn't even have to go to Public Broadcasting!

This is why the trängselskatt is a tax and not a charge, otherwise they would have to use all the monies towards whatever it was said the charge is to pay for, but as it stands now they do not have to wink.gif
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byke
post 7.Mar.2013, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 7.Mar.2013, 03:55 PM) *
It's not a hypothesis, just remove your network card from your computer, or switch off networking services on your device ...then try and receive television programs across the internet! tongue.gif

Based on your own statements, just the fact that something is broadcast is enough to justify it.
Regardless of if it becomes a moving picture.

This thread is officially defunct.
Spam with false propaganda as I expect you will.

So predictable.
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mångk
post 7.Mar.2013, 04:02 PM
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QUOTE (Yorkshireman @ 7.Mar.2013, 03:55 PM) *
It is a charge/fee and not a tax ... Within the EU, in a Member State, revenue from a charge must go to whatever it is that they say the charge is going to pay for, so in the ... (show full quote)

I know, I was trying to dumb it down as much as possible! tongue.gif

So that (some) people (hopefully) understand that it is not a fee to watch it, but something used to fund a community service that complies with certain eu directives!
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Yorkshireman
post 7.Mar.2013, 04:03 PM
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QUOTE (byke @ 7.Mar.2013, 04:00 PM) *
Based on your own statements, just the fact that something is broadcast is enough to justify it.. Regardless of if it becomes a moving picture.

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QUOTE (byke @ 7.Mar.2013, 04:00 PM) *
This thread is officially defunct.. Spam with false propaganda as I expect you will.

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byke
post 7.Mar.2013, 11:13 PM
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Translate as needed.
Radiotjanst don't have a very good reputation at the moment.

http://www.svd.se/nyheter/inrikes/tv-licen...ade_7975160.svd
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kaze
post 8.Mar.2013, 07:43 AM
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If true this is pretty crappy. Most students and foreigners don't have TVs and don't want TVs but now they're being made to pay the fee...
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Yorkshireman
post 8.Mar.2013, 08:22 AM
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There will be a test case soon, actually a student, who is going to be helped by a couple of lawyers. Right now they are challenging Radiotjänst with regards the invoice for tv-avgift, it depends whether Radiotjänst decide to take it to court or not.
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mångk
post 8.Mar.2013, 11:26 AM
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It will be interesting to see what happens with that case.

Generally, the definitions on what constitutes a tv-program and the means of transmission correlate with that provided in the EU directive. The EU directive doesn't restrict the collection of fees such as the one in question in this thread.

I am curious to find out if posters are generally suggesting that Sweden does not follow the EU directive or if posters think that Sweden should behave differently to the other EU countries when it comes to the EU directive? I am also curious to find out if posters are aware of the services, culturally or otherwise that the fees fund?

I understand that some posters may not watch what was traditionally defined at 'tv', so am curious to find out how many people watch media programs via the internet?

Actually, another interesting question is are posters generally aware of the EU directives that relate to 'tv'?
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Cheeseroller2
post 8.Mar.2013, 10:32 PM
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9 pages of this twaddle?

Look it's simple - it's a form of tax whether you use it or not. Like many other taxes that take money for services that not everyone uses. If you wanted to save money, you came to the wrong damn country. Bend over, pay up and consider it a privilege to live in a country which makes living akin to an endless wait in a dental surgery.
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