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Posted by: SeventhGuest 16.Nov.2020, 06:27 PM

Admin closed the last thread "due to excessive length and off-topic wanderings. Feel free to start a new one.", and so I do.
I find it strange that The Local is annoyed by the length of a thread (knowingly that the topic is difficult and ten people can have 30 opinions^^), but they are not worried and do nothing about all the insults of specific persons, although I sent them proof several times by email.
Okay, let's go on here...

Posted by: Grommet 16.Nov.2020, 06:30 PM

7-11, how long has that "hotdog" been rolling around on that roaster? Like, for how many day has it been there, spinning?

And did you ever scrub that swastika from your forehead?

Posted by: SeventhGuest 16.Nov.2020, 06:36 PM

https://www.svt.se/nyheter/inrikes/lofven-det-kravs-mer-av-forbud-for-att-fa-ned-kurvan

Regeringen: Max ?tta personer till?tna vid sammankomster

What happened to L?ven? In April I was sure that the Swedish government acts with logic and sense, but at least L?ven got turned over.

Still ignoring the fact that the pandemic is over. Even the WHO advises against lockdowns. The infection rate is not being measured. A PCR test result is no proof of an infection. It can only be taken as an indicator of an infection. PCR propagates parts of DNA chains. Look what the inventor of PCR, Kary Mullis, says.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_cMF_s-fzc

https://www.thelocal.se/discuss/index.php?s=&showtopic=97224&view=findpost&p=956071

The Local will never report about facts that do not fit their narrative.

Posted by: SeventhGuest 16.Nov.2020, 06:41 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 16.Nov.2020, 07:30 PM) *
And did you ever scrub that swastika from your forehead?

In case you mean me: I am more conservative. The Nazis were left-wings.

Posted by: SeventhGuest 16.Nov.2020, 06:47 PM

PCR test debunked by a 20 year old

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EmGatna0Uf4

Posted by: Martin565 16.Nov.2020, 06:53 PM


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Posted by: TheExpatEagle 16.Nov.2020, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (SeventhGuest @ 16.Nov.2020, 06:41 PM) *
In case you mean me: I am more conservative. The Nazis were left-wings.


You were the only other poster so of course he meant you.

The Nazis were left wing? Are you serious? In future if you tell me night is dark I'll need it confirmed by someone else.

Posted by: SeventhGuest 16.Nov.2020, 07:56 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 16.Nov.2020, 08:49 PM) *
The Nazis were left wing? Are you serious?

Very good read...
https://philosophia-perennis.com/2018/10/25/nationalsozialisten-waren-vor-allem-sozialisten-also-links/

Posted by: SeventhGuest 16.Nov.2020, 07:59 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 16.Nov.2020, 08:12 PM) *
I think what they are saying is if some science is too complex for them to understand they just declare it all fake.

That is not what anybody is saying in the video.
What she actually says is in the video tongue.gif but it must be fake. That is the easiest way to treat facts you don't want to hear^^.

Posted by: SeventhGuest 16.Nov.2020, 08:01 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 16.Nov.2020, 08:49 PM) *
In future if you tell me night is dark I'll need it confirmed by someone else.


Yes, at night it's dark outside.
Two plus two is four, not 5 1/2.
Those who claim something is have to prove, because it's not possible to prove that something is not.

Better get that all confirmed by someone else, because as long as it's not confirmed, it must be fake news to you. laugh.gif

Posted by: Guest 16.Nov.2020, 08:02 PM

QUOTE (SeventhGuest @ 16.Nov.2020, 08:59 PM) *
That is not what anybody is saying in the video.
What she actually says is in the video tongue.gif but it must be fake. That is the easiest way to treat facts you don't want to hear^^.

Putting a video on YouTube doesn't make anything into a fact.

Posted by: cootje1976 16.Nov.2020, 08:34 PM

QUOTE (SeventhGuest @ 16.Nov.2020, 06:41 PM) *
In case you mean me: I am more conservative. The Nazis were left-wings.


Within 5 seconds after starting going off topic again... Well done...

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 16.Nov.2020, 10:23 PM

I repeat...in my experience here that is the first thread closed for length and off topic reasons...

There has to be another answer???

Why close it and encourage it's reopening, when a warning notice would be sufficient???

Posted by: Martin565 16.Nov.2020, 10:41 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 16.Nov.2020, 10:23 PM) *
I repeat...in my experience here that is the first thread closed for length and off topic reasons...

There has to be another answer???

Why close it and encourage it's reopening, when a warning notice would be sufficient???


You?re like a broken record with this
I told you why it got closed down somebody complained about the off topic posts and the owners had to look like they act so closed it.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 16.Nov.2020, 10:50 PM

This/that is unusual...

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 17.Nov.2020, 07:14 PM

QUOTE (SeventhGuest @ 16.Nov.2020, 07:56 PM) *
Very good read...
https://philosophia-perennis.com/2018/10/25/nationalsozialisten-waren-vor-allem-sozialisten-also-links/


Would you like me to post all the proof to the contrary? If you believe Hitler was a leftie then possible he and Stalin had the biggest misunderstanding in history. Shoot the translator? biggrin.gif

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Posted by: Martin565 17.Nov.2020, 07:37 PM


Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Nov.2020, 11:25 PM

"the island of utopia lies across a river of blood and you never arrive."

Wow!!!

Dramatically said, kudos to you...

Now...get back on topic!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: Martin565 17.Nov.2020, 11:34 PM

[quote name='Gamla H?lsingebock' date='17.Nov.2020, 11:25 PM' post='956382']
"the island of utopia lies across a river of blood and you never arrive."

Wow!!!

Dramatically said, kudos to you...

Now...get back on topic!!! laugh.gif

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Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 18.Nov.2020, 12:35 AM

???

Posted by: Martin565 18.Nov.2020, 01:03 AM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 18.Nov.2020, 12:35 AM) *
???

Translate it it?s called GOOGLE!

Posted by: Grommet 18.Nov.2020, 04:31 AM

QUOTE (cootje1976 @ 16.Nov.2020, 09:34 PM) *
Within 5 seconds after starting going off topic again... Well done...

Well, with 7-11 at the helm, this one was doomed to fail right from the start. So I figured why not just light the fuse and get it over with.

Now, anyone seen the Mandalorian? Baby Yoda, so cute, he is.

Posted by: SeventhGuest 18.Nov.2020, 05:39 PM

QUOTE (cootje1976 @ 16.Nov.2020, 09:34 PM) *
Within 5 seconds after starting going off topic again... Well done...

I must admit that I hopped on that train, but who started this defamation? Yep.

Posted by: SeventhGuest 18.Nov.2020, 05:40 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 16.Nov.2020, 09:02 PM) *
Putting a video on YouTube doesn't make anything into a fact.

The process of putting a video on Youtube is not important. You have to watch the video, listen and understand.
The facts are in the video itself^^ You understand me? LOL

Posted by: SeventhGuest 18.Nov.2020, 05:50 PM

Nobody wants to get back to topic, because certain people here don't want to look at the facts, or they try to ignore them. Thats why I do it for you...

A reversal of the burden of proof may work for a limited time (in which we are now), but not forever. Anyone who claims that Covid is a dangerous pandemic that goes beyond a severe flu wave has to prove it. Because whoever claims that something is, has to prove. Whoever claims that something is not, does not have to prove it, because something that does not exist cannot be proven.

An important fact when looking at Covid is that there are no reference values ??for the absolute numbers, which are published everywhere without any criticism. No infection numbers were measured in previous flu and infectious desease waves.

Increasing the number of tests to generate higher infection numbers is not proof. Neither The Local, SVT or any other media in Sweden so far has put the absolute numbers into relation to the number of tests that were made. They will never do so, because the results would cause them to lose their face.

Reducing bed capacities in hospitals and then speaking of a higher occupancy rate, like it is done in Germany, is also not proof, but rather a fraud. The fraud is uncovered since the Helios hospitals publish their numbers independently.

Another fact is that a PCR test cannot certify an infection and therefore has no legal significance. With PCR, DNA strands are duplicated. According to the inventor of the PCR process, anything can be found in anyone and then duplicated. This is rather useless for the detection of a virus, i.e. for an infection - with or without symptoms.

But the heads of state in almost every country ignore this (not of all), as do most of the media. But there are always some exceptions, even with the quality or mainstream media.

With the passing of the third amendment to the Infection Protection Act in Germany today, only two options for the people remain open: Constitutional lawsuits and the right to resistance, as the free-democratic basic order in Germany was de facto abolished. Incidentally, the right to resist is enshrined in the Basic Law; it does not require the consent of any judge. It all depends on the people - as always.

Posted by: SeventhGuest 18.Nov.2020, 05:58 PM

Will the Great Reset (WEF) end the so-called pandemic?
Or will vaccinations do?
Or will E-Euro aka CBDC do?

Posted by: Martin565 18.Nov.2020, 06:46 PM


Posted by: Grommet 18.Nov.2020, 06:51 PM



 
 

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Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 18.Nov.2020, 10:04 PM

New York City has just closed the schools...again...

Posted by: Martin565 18.Nov.2020, 10:06 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 18.Nov.2020, 10:04 PM) *
New York City has just closed the schools...again...


Crime will go down then

Posted by: SeventhGuest 19.Nov.2020, 04:06 PM


Posted by: SeventhGuest 19.Nov.2020, 04:16 PM

Does Sweden's constitution really prevent tougher coronavirus measures?
https://www.thelocal.se/20201119/does-swedens-constitution-really-prevent-tough-covid-measures

Thanks to The Local for letting me know that also in Sweden, the left-mob media sets the government under pressure to limit the people's rights for no real reason.

QUOTE
According to Joakim Nergelius, a professor of constitutional law at ?rebro University, the changes Sweden's opposition forced upon the April law made it too cumbersome to use.


And thanks to the opposition for trying to keep those rights.

QUOTE
Unlike France, Germany or Spain, Sweden's constitution does not give the government the right to impose a state of emergency giving it special powers to combat the pandemic. This can only be done in wartime (or at least when war is looming).


THE GERMAN CONSTITUTION DOESN'T EITHER!

It's just unlawful, especially in the way they wrote the vague/unspecific criteria under which they can play their tyranny card. By reading the 3rd change of the "Infektionsschutzgesetz" it should become clear that it is not about a virus (that even did NOT cause any excess mortality in Germany, and no, the measures were not the reason) but about limiting peoples basic rights.

Lecturer in constitutional law says all I say...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3tRJ2S8j3g

Nothing new that The Local does not report about backgrounds here. They only use the comparision to France, Germany and Spain to argue that Sweden could do the same. Yes, sure Sweden could find a way, but it would probably be as unconstitutional as in other countries.

But Richard Orange seems to like the abolishment of basic liberties around the world, doesn't he?

Posted by: Martin565 19.Nov.2020, 04:25 PM


Posted by: Justanothernobody 19.Nov.2020, 05:29 PM

QUOTE (SeventhGuest @ 18.Nov.2020, 05:50 PM) *
Anyone who claims that Covid is a dangerous pandemic that goes beyond a severe flu wave has to prove it.


So I take it your opinion is that Covid is basically a slightly more severe flu?

So what is to be gained by overplaying the virus? I'm not interested in conspiracy theories about control and world domination, I mean real world reasons?

Surely governments want to look capable and as if they are doing a great job.if anything one would expect them to try and underplay it.

How can you even think Covid is comparable to the flu? They can not even be compared because we take almost no action to prevent the spread of flu.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Nov.2020, 10:03 PM


Posted by: Martin565 19.Nov.2020, 10:17 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 19.Nov.2020, 10:03 PM) *
That's why they want our guns...


There?s loads of communist party posters on lampposts and tram stops here, have the idiots learned nothing communism killed millions of people throughout history, I rip them down when I see one. You will never take my rights away like communism would want, I?d take a bullet up against a wall than live like that, see I?m a American freedom lover at heart. But I?m not sure the way things are going I think they might win, they look like simple little things censoring what people say online and that but that?s the start of it. Freedom of speech is paramount and to criticise, you can say what you like as far as I?m concerned that why I let that palace fan carry on. I understand society needs things like a gov and police etc but they should be involved as little as possible not this state deciding everything look at now they literally can tell you where to go when and who to visit In the U.K., I saw the other day some old woman on tv asking a politician if she is able to hug her grandchild, can you believe that? As soon as you have old women asking politicians ( a prick in a suit) if she has permission to hug her own grandchild I think there?s something really gone wrong with our way of life

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Nov.2020, 11:11 PM

It started with, multiculturism, ethnic diversity and political correctness...The ethnic part allows people to be called racists when they don't speak politicaly correct!!!

That allows Liberals to take the high moral ground and think nothing of being violent towards those that do not agree with them...

Posted by: Martin565 19.Nov.2020, 11:26 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 19.Nov.2020, 11:11 PM) *
It started with, multiculturism, ethnic diversity and political correctness...The ethnic part allows people to be called racists when they don't speak politicaly correct!!!

That allows Liberals to take the high moral ground and think nothing of being violent towards those that do not agree with them...


It didn?t start with that, it started with subversion of the state as a whole, exploiting perceived weaknesses or injustices in western capitalist society. Cause a rift. A Marxist will say about a capitalist system that it?s unjust and exploitative, for example a worker has to work for a capitalist to survive, but that miss out the point that a capitalist system is completely voluntary a worker sells his labour for $10 a hour but the greedy capitalist boss sells this work for $15 an hour and that?s exploitation they fail to mention that a worker can Take their labour to a rival business to try and sell it for more money this creates competition between companies for labour until eventually wages rise this extra rise or cost is burdened into the customer that?s how it works a completely voluntary system , to a Marxist this is exploitation and their solution is to surrender this system and put it all in control and ownership of the state, which crests ultimate power and a complete lopsided favour for the state which is completely involuntary, just see what happens if you don?t pay tax or follow laws that are implemented by the state.

Posted by: Martin565 19.Nov.2020, 11:32 PM


Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Nov.2020, 11:37 PM

When you don't speak "their" language, they go violent on you...

Posted by: Martin565 19.Nov.2020, 11:40 PM

You can say the same thing about fascists look at what the browns shirts or black shirts did intimidate political opponents of themselves including people of their own race or nationality.

Posted by: Martin565 19.Nov.2020, 11:44 PM


Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 20.Nov.2020, 12:20 AM

Such is the human condition...

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Posted by: SeventhGuest 20.Nov.2020, 09:29 PM


Posted by: Guest 20.Nov.2020, 09:31 PM

What's a hospital germ?

Posted by: SeventhGuest 20.Nov.2020, 09:35 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 20.Nov.2020, 09:31 PM) *
What's a hospital germ?

The term hospital germs is a collective term for microorganisms that cause nosocomial inflammation. "Nosocomial" comes from ancient Greek and means something like "to care for sick". A nosocomial infection is an infection that is triggered by microorganisms during an inpatient hospital stay. These microorganisms are, for example, bacteria that live on human skin or the intestinal flora, as well as germs from the air or water.
The European Center for Disease Prevention (ECDC) states that around 500,000 people in Germany are infected with hospital germs each year and as many as 15,000 die as a result. The most common consequences are respiratory and urinary tract diseases, wound infections or sepsis - the so-called blood poisoning. How dangerous an infection is depends to a large extent on your own state of health. Antibiotics must be used for therapy, but this is not always that easy.

Source:
https://www.deutsche-familienversicherung.de/krankenhauszusatzversicherung/ratgeber/artikel/was-sind-krankenhauskeime/

Posted by: Martin565 20.Nov.2020, 09:37 PM


Posted by: Guest 20.Nov.2020, 09:37 PM

Viruses, bacteria.. What are they? Treatable? Cost? How much would taxes increase?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Nov.2020, 01:11 AM

China now claims that the virus started in Italy!!!

https://nypost.com/2020/11/20/china-suggests-italy-may-be-the-birthplace-of-covid-19-pandemic/

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Nov.2020, 01:59 AM

And now this from Australia...

It only takes one!!!

https://nypost.com/2020/11/20/a-lying-pizza-joint-employee-forced-1-7-million-people-into-lockdown/

Posted by: SeventhGuest 21.Nov.2020, 06:02 PM

QUOTE (Justanothernobody @ 19.Nov.2020, 05:29 PM) *
So I take it your opinion is that Covid is basically a slightly more severe flu?


"Of Covid-19 patients admitted to hospital, 6-8 percent die. Of those admitted to hospital for normal pneumonia, 8-13 percent die. We simply cannot argue that Covid-19 is worse than common pneumonia that requires inpatient treatment."
Matthias Schrappe, internist, testified as an expert in the health committee in the beginning of September.

Source: arte documentary 10/11/2020
"Corona: Sicherheit kontra FreiheitDeutsche, Franzosen und Schweden in der Krise"

https://www.arte.tv/de/videos/098118-000-A/corona-sicherheit-kontra-freiheit/

Refering to Germany, it's not only my opinion. The documentary has several more 'experts' that contradict with the picture that Covid-19 will kill millions.

Posted by: Grommet 22.Nov.2020, 09:33 AM

So, 7-11, what are the excess deaths in Muricuh? Does the common flu kill >1000 people per day?

Or is that just some communist plot?

And what about all those who don't die in hospital, but die at home? Another hoax I guess.

I can see why you are just a burger-flipping moron working at 7-11. Your swastika forehead tattoo never looked so properly placed.

And if you were a bone-head Yank instead of a bone-head German, I guess you'd be telling us Biden stole the election from Dumbty Trumbty.

Earth is flat? Hitler was misunderstood? Holocaust never happened? Sky is green? Moon is made of cheese?

Come on Mickey Mouse, don't you have anything intelligent to say?

Posted by: Guest 22.Nov.2020, 10:08 AM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 22.Nov.2020, 10:33 AM) *
So, 7-11, what are the excess deaths in Muricuh? Does the common flu kill >1000 people per day?

Or is that just some communist plot?

And what about all those who don't die in hospital, but die at home? Another hoax I guess.

I can see why you are just a burger-flipping moron working at 7-11. Your swastika forehead tattoo never looked so properly placed.

And if you were a bone-head Yank instead of a bone-head German, I guess you'd be telling us Biden stole the election from Dumbty Trumbty.

Earth is flat? Hitler was misunderstood? Holocaust never happened? Sky is green? Moon is made of cheese?

Come on Mickey Mouse, don't you have anything intelligent to say?

You should know better than most that the moon is indeed made of cheese. Wensleydale presumably.

Posted by: Grommet 22.Nov.2020, 02:52 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 22.Nov.2020, 11:08 AM) *
You should know better than most that the moon is indeed made of cheese. Wensleydale presumably.

Finally Wallander solves a case! Bravo! You're promoted to the status of Gumby.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Nov.2020, 05:55 PM

The UK leads Europe in total deaths and ranks at number 5 in the world in that category and its death rate per million is far higher than Sweden's...

I find it odd that those figures have not been mentioned here...

Gee...

I wonder why???

I'd rather be in Sweden...than the UK!!!

Posted by: SeventhGuest 29.Nov.2020, 06:31 PM

Ex-Pfizer Mike Yeadon talks about PCR.
Interesting from minute 11 on.

https://lbry.tv/Mike-Yeadon-Unlocked:0

Posted by: SeventhGuest 29.Nov.2020, 06:34 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 21.Nov.2020, 01:59 AM) *
And now this from Australia...

It only takes one!!!

https://nypost.com/2020/11/20/a-lying-pizza-joint-employee-forced-1-7-million-people-into-lockdown/


That's the tyranny "they" want to create.
Or did you think this happened just by chance?

Posted by: Grommet 29.Nov.2020, 07:32 PM

QUOTE (SeventhGuest @ 29.Nov.2020, 07:34 PM) *
I drank the cool-aid

Uh-hu. Thanks for the update 7-11.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 2.Dec.2020, 12:04 AM

Economy wise the Swedish way to deal with covid is better than the rest of Europe...make of it what you will...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354

Posted by: Grommet 2.Dec.2020, 05:38 PM

Meanwhile, the Meatballian death count soon over 7000 at 6972. Finland 408. Norway 351. Denmark 852.

Swedish economy as damaged if not more than neighbours also.

Sorry, what was it the self-adoring Swedish exceptionalism amounted to? Where is the genius in their plan?

Could someone remind me?

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/?

Posted by: Grommet 3.Dec.2020, 04:51 PM

Really? No one?

What happened to all those cheer-leaders, prattling on for the MeatHeads, how great they were doing. How well their plan was working.

Swedish exceptionalism: just another Meatballian PR stunt. That backfired.

Today >7000 total covid deaths for Sweden.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 3.Dec.2020, 08:14 PM

Did someone say something? I can smell a fowl odour like a turd but I don't see anything.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Dec.2020, 08:47 PM

Swede bashers reek!!!

Posted by: Grommet 4.Dec.2020, 05:14 AM

https://www.dn.se/sverige/over-7-000-svenska-avlidna-i-covid-vi-kommer-nog-tyvarr-att-fortsatta-se-ett-okande-antal-doda/

Well, it seems Tegnell got one thing right. He expects more death. And thanks to his negligence, more death is what he will get.

He can't understand why Finland and other Nordics have done so much better than Meatball-Land, as he continues to refuse to acknowledge the effectiveness of wearing masks.

The Swedish model: in hubris we trust.


Posted by: Yortis 4.Dec.2020, 09:53 AM



"On November 18th, state epidemiologist Anders Tegnell told Dagens Nyheter: "It's not the case that we are suddenly going up from 20 deaths per day to 40, 50. That's not how it is at all."

"While it was true that the deaths reported in mid-November usually covered previous days, the same trend has continued. This means the death toll was much higher than the impression given by Tegnell; in fact later data has shown that there were more than 40 deaths per day at the time he made the statement."


As I've said many times before, tegnell is a dirty lying cunt.
He is also supremely stupid.

7000+ dead and rising...
Great job, time to join the sheep and get a tatoo of the prick.

Posted by: Yortis 4.Dec.2020, 09:55 AM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 2.Dec.2020, 12:04 AM) *
Economy wise the Swedish way to deal with covid is better than the rest of Europe...make of it what you will...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354



Yes.They value money over life, obviously.

Posted by: yonisan 4.Dec.2020, 10:27 AM

I believe that the reason that the Swedbashers are not getting the responses they want is that like me they have probably been put on ignore....

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Dec.2020, 01:57 PM

They conveniently ignore places like Spain and Portugal and a lot of other places...However the comedic value reaped from their frustration and failure to understand other cultures does provide a bit of comedic relief during these hard times...

Posted by: Grommet 4.Dec.2020, 03:13 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 4.Dec.2020, 02:57 PM) *
They conveniently ignore places like Spain and Portugal and a lot of other places...However the comedic value reaped from their frustration and failure to understand other cultures does provide a bit of comedic relief during these hard times...

As you continuously ignore the fact that Spain was never claiming superiority over Portugal, unlike Sweden which was claiming superiority over everyone else.

You know, as soon as Trump is history, you will no longer be finding behaving like him is even coming close to being tolerated by anyone.

You should probably be careful after Jan 20th.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 4.Dec.2020, 03:33 PM

Are you threatening me...

Posted by: Grommet 5.Dec.2020, 04:54 AM

Was that a question?

Posted by: Grommet 5.Dec.2020, 02:07 PM

And besides, why would I threaten a 100 year old demented geriatric who thinks Trump is god sent.

I'd say you already suffer enough.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 5.Dec.2020, 07:52 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 5.Dec.2020, 02:07 PM) *
And besides, why would I threaten a 100 year old demented geriatric who thinks Trump is god sent.

I'd say you already suffer enough.


It's probably only 100 year old geriatric men who you can beat up.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 5.Dec.2020, 09:13 PM

Nahhh, PHD's can't fight, and besides I doubt if he has met Svenska dundra yet...close up and personal laugh.gif

Posted by: Grommet 6.Dec.2020, 08:01 AM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 5.Dec.2020, 08:52 PM) *
It's probably only 100 year old geriatric men who you can beat up.

Another sound projection from TL's resident Roger Ramjet.

Who'd have thought it was possible for you to break the sound barrier with your stupidity?

Quite the super-power! And looks like he's found love again:

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 6.Dec.2020, 07:34 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 6.Dec.2020, 08:01 AM) *
Another sound projection from TL's resident Roger Ramjet.

Who'd have thought it was possible for you to break the sound barrier with your stupidity?

Quite the super-power! And looks like he's found love again:


I admit I am struggling to keep up with you. You must be a life member of Mencap with your intelligence.

Posted by: Grommet 7.Dec.2020, 04:14 AM

It's OK Roger Ramjet. You just keep eating those Proton Energy Pills, and you'll stay right on course.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 7.Dec.2020, 07:42 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 7.Dec.2020, 04:14 AM) *
It's OK Roger Ramjet. You just keep eating those Proton Energy Pills, and you'll stay right on course.


Watch out for the sharp objects.

Posted by: oddsock 8.Dec.2020, 12:41 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 2.Dec.2020, 12:04 AM) *
Economy wise the Swedish way to deal with covid is better than the rest of Europe...make of it what you will...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354


pity that report didn't look at denmark, norway and finland

Posted by: Grommet 8.Dec.2020, 05:07 PM


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Posted by: TheExpatEagle 8.Dec.2020, 07:22 PM


Posted by: cootje1976 8.Dec.2020, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 2.Dec.2020, 12:04 AM) *
Economy wise the Swedish way to deal with covid is better than the rest of Europe...make of it what you will...

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-53664354


Ancient article. Got a recent one from this week maybe?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 8.Dec.2020, 07:46 PM

Where?

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The world's your oyster. Now is a great time to get out and about. No tourists! You can't possibly have been everywhere and seen everything with say 2 hrs of where you are. You are about to move to literally the middle of the UK, get the kids to sea, you are going to see it for years. There's the archipelago to the north, beaches to the south.


He has an infants mentality. I'm bored, there's nothing to do, nowhere to go, it's cold, did I mention I'm bored?

A buffoon of the highest order like so many under 40s today. There's 500 channels, YouTube and more but there's nothing to watch. Haha!

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Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 9.Dec.2020, 02:55 PM

You will never see this in Sweden!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/us/boise-health-board-meeting-protests/index.html


The USA leads the world in infection cases and death rate...

I wonder why???

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Posted by: Martin565 9.Dec.2020, 03:09 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 9.Dec.2020, 02:55 PM) *
You will never see this in Sweden!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/us/boise-health-board-meeting-protests/index.html


The USA leads the world in infection cases and death rate...

I wonder why???


Is it because they?re all dumb and unfit?

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Posted by: Grommet 9.Dec.2020, 04:08 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 9.Dec.2020, 03:55 PM) *
You will never see this in Sweden!!!

https://www.cnn.com/2020/12/09/us/boise-health-board-meeting-protests/index.html


The USA leads the world in infection cases and death rate...

I wonder why???

It's because your narcissistic "leader" is also a total asshole and has basically done nothing but pout for the past month.

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QUOTE (Grommet @ 9.Dec.2020, 04:59 PM) *
The SkoBo is just really insecure. If he starts to acknowledge problems in Sweden he will have trouble continuing to lie to himself about how super-duper Meatballia "is".

He has to see himself as superior for choosing Sweden, and to keep that going, he cannot entertain any critical views of the place. Seems he's trying to be more Swedish than the Swedes.

His main tactic is to simply dump it all back onto the individual and blame them for whatever ills them.

It's called the "red carpet" tactic and it's the only card he has to play, unfortunately.

Odd behaviour indeed. Very one sided, one-dimensional views he has. One of those selfish twats who can only relate to himself, incapable of understanding what it might be like to walk in another's shoes for a day. Probably a dash of autism spectrum there too.

Nope. No where is perfect, it's matter of finding what suits.

What is odd is someone who left sweden years ago obsessively telling people they shouldn't be happy here, isn't it time to leave sweden mentally as well, if as you say sweden is so bad?

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QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 9.Dec.2020, 05:19 PM) *
Really?

I'm 50 next year but won't ask for a handicap.

Swedish classic in 2022? Next years Vasaloppet is still on, but I think it'll get cancelled.

Or svenskfj?llklassiken?

Or?Vasaloppstrippeln 90 in 2022?

Events cover running, skiing, biking, swimming... so no bias towards anyones specialities.

Edit. Another option. Tromso skyline?


I want be anywhere near here by then, if you can run 10km in 37 minutes you?ll get close to me if you can run it in 35 minutes you?ll beat me probably

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QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 9.Dec.2020, 07:25 PM) *
Off topic!!! laugh.gif

We're discussing the impacts of covid on lung capacity.

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As I said, Brummies are good at running... away from a fight, away from buying a round and away from their responsibilities.


How about you come up to gothenburg and see if that theory of me running away is true?

Posted by: Grommet 10.Dec.2020, 06:18 AM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 9.Dec.2020, 06:11 PM) *
Nope. No where is perfect, it's matter of finding what suits.

What is odd is someone who left sweden years ago obsessively telling people they shouldn't be happy here, isn't it time to leave sweden mentally as well, if as you say sweden is so bad?

That might explain why you are a dick to me, but then again you are a dick to everyone else who doesn't follow the gospel of "sweden is great no matter what".

Additionally, there are those on here whom have never lived in the Greasy Meatball, but seems to be no problem for you, because they are also blindly "pro-Meatballia" and thereby support your Mary Poppins outlook.

Double standards, anyone?

And I haven't once ever told anyone to be "unhappy" in MeatHead-Land or anywhere else. There you go being a total dick, yet again.

Posted by: Guest 10.Dec.2020, 09:22 AM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 10.Dec.2020, 06:18 AM) *
That might explain why you are a dick to me, but then again you are a dick to everyone else who doesn't follow the gospel of "sweden is great no matter what".

Additionally, there are those on here whom have never lived in the Greasy Meatball, but seems to be no problem for you, because they are also blindly "pro-Meatballia" and thereby support your Mary Poppins outlook.

Double standards, anyone?

And I haven't once ever told anyone to be "unhappy" in MeatHead-Land or anywhere else. There you go being a total dick, yet again.

I do doubt your claims to have worked in higher education. You communicate like an illeducated teenager, not someone who has even been to university, never mind worked at one. You seem unable to make any point without resorting to personal insults. Any reasoned evidence based debate or valid points are just entirely missing from your skill set. To say it's childish is an understatement, it's like a trump speech.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 10.Dec.2020, 01:09 PM

QUOTE (Martin565 @ 9.Dec.2020, 08:27 PM) *
How about you come up to gothenburg and see if that theory of me running away is true?


Wow, this is the 4th or 5th time you've offered me out. And for the 4th or 5th time I will say where and when? Name a place and time.

Now, for the 4th or 5th time you will sink away and not reply like the little faggot that you are. All talk no action pal!

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 10.Dec.2020, 01:15 PM

Also, do you remember our bet about you still being in Sweden at the end of the year? You are gonna lose that bet too!

But you'll run away from that like you run away from everything else. You run so much you could be Forrest fucking Gump! biggrin.gif biggrin.gif biggrin.gif


Posted by: Grommet 10.Dec.2020, 03:00 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 10.Dec.2020, 10:22 AM) *
I do doubt your claims to have worked in higher education. You communicate like an illeducated teenager, not someone who has even been to university, never mind worked at one. You seem unable to make any point without resorting to personal insults. Any reasoned evidence based debate or valid points are just entirely missing from your skill set. To say it's childish is an understatement, it's like a trump speech.

Hilarious deflection! That's it, embrace the autism!

Wallander is on the case!

And by the way, the point about you being a total dick was a compliment, since I have learned over the years it is something you aspire to.

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Posted by: Grommet 11.Dec.2020, 05:08 AM

US reaches 3000 deaths from covid in a single day. Now I finally understand why people down play this thing, and treat it like it is no worse than the common flu.

What a hoax! I bet all those 3000 are really in Barbados partying on the beach!

Posted by: Martin565 11.Dec.2020, 10:06 AM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 11.Dec.2020, 05:08 AM) *
US reaches 3000 deaths from covid in a single day. Now I finally understand why people down play this thing, and treat it like it is no worse than the common flu.

What a hoax! I bet all those 3000 are really in Barbados partying on the beach!


America big population
Thousands of people die per day
Thousands are born every day
More people die in winter months due to viruses or respiratory illnesses that mixed with underlying health issues unfortunately become too much for the person to survive

Posted by: Grommet 11.Dec.2020, 06:07 PM

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America big population
Thousands of people die per day
Thousands are born every day
More people die in winter months due to viruses or respiratory illnesses that mixed with underlying health issues unfortunately become too much for the person to survive

So you are dismissing 3000 deaths/day by covid, with utter supposition? You have all these great "theories" but they come off more as your imagination at play because you are just off-the-cuffing-it and never offer any hint of proof of what you are claiming.

You know, being "suspicious" is OK to a point. But you start to Trump it in the same way Trump suspects he kinda actually won the election thingy.

Merely being suspicious of something, based on what, a hunch? Doesn't actually make it so.

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QUOTE (Martin565 @ 11.Dec.2020, 07:18 PM) *
That may or may not weigh into the figures also

Ya.

And not knowing is kinda your thing, in't it.

And by the way, "common-sense" is in the eye of the beholder, apparently.

Posted by: Grommet 11.Dec.2020, 06:51 PM

Exceptional Sweden does the classic meatball-u-turn. Now closing schools for the first time! What's next, people should wear masks? Are they crazy?

I guess international humiliation has a cycle of about 5 years for the MeatBalls (remember 2015?).

But I though the MeatHeads were more responsible than thou. More "calm" than thou? Whilst everyone else, actually bothering to do something, were cast as "hysterical".

Ah, the Meatballs, ever chasing covid. >7500 covid deaths and growing every day!

Posted by: Martin565 11.Dec.2020, 06:53 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 11.Dec.2020, 06:45 PM) *
Ya.

And not knowing is kinda your thing, in't it.

And by the way, "common-sense" is in the eye of the beholder, apparently.


I know enuf, and that along with a clear conscience makes me sleep soundly at night

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Ya.

And not knowing is kinda your thing, in't it.


Fuck me sideways that really is the pot calling the kettle black. I may think Martin is dense but you are a black hole of stupidity in comparison!

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Fuck me sideways that really is the pot calling the kettle black. I may think Martin is dense but you are a black hole of stupidity in comparison!

Uh hu. Better to keep with your vague statements, that way you never have to actually determine anything you say.

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Fuck me sideways that really is the pot calling the kettle black. I may think Martin is dense but you are a black hole of stupidity in comparison!


That some kind of back handed compliment?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Dec.2020, 05:02 PM

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As you didn't use a full stop allow me to finish that sentence for you.

"... once someone has explained it to me!"


Did you know Shaw was famous for not using full stops commas or proper punctuation,

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 12.Dec.2020, 08:25 PM

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I have the odd phase on betfair, it's not that hard to make money, and stock/ shares etc for decades. You need to know your field and your own psychology . Overly optimistic and stay in when you should exit, or the opposite etc. Gambling is just buying lottery tickets or scratch cards, a mugs game. I don't usually bother with any of the betting companies only exchanges. Betting companies don't like winners.


Which explains why Martin is on Paddy Power's speed dial. ;-)

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Uh hu. Better to keep with your vague statements, that way you never have to actually determine anything you say.


You only think they are vague because you are a thick twat. Everyone else knows exactly what I was saying.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 12.Dec.2020, 08:30 PM

QUOTE (Martin565 @ 12.Dec.2020, 11:11 AM) *
That some kind of back handed compliment?


Yes, I have actually given you a number of them over the months.

Despite what I say I actually don't think you are a prick, just misguided and you express your opinions in the wrong way. I just enjoy a wind-up and give back what you've given out.

Gobshite on the other hand is a 1st class cake eater. (Harry Enfield reference from his Goodfellas spood, Badfellas).

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Dec.2020, 08:37 PM

If I could understand the type of English??? spoken??? here and could connect with the alluding/reference parts I might be able to understand this great ongoing craic...

Now I am waiting to get hammered for saying something about not understanding... laugh.gif

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 12.Dec.2020, 09:19 PM

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If I could understand the type of English??? spoken??? here and could connect with the alluding/reference parts I might be able to understand this great ongoing craic...

Now I am waiting to get hammered for saying something about not understanding... laugh.gif


Well, craic is an Irish thing that is forbidden in the mainland in case there are traces of Semtex. (financed by the anti-terrorist expat Irish community of Boston and New York) :-)

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Dec.2020, 09:38 PM

I am familiar with the fund raising activities that were happening in New York a while ago...

So as not to get involved I'll loudly say: "Up the Republic"...quickly followed by shouting "No surrender"!!!

It was a rare event that you got coshed by both laugh.gif

Posted by: Martin565 12.Dec.2020, 10:09 PM

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If I could understand the type of English??? spoken??? here and could connect with the alluding/reference parts I might be able to understand this great ongoing craic...

Now I am waiting to get hammered for saying something about not understanding... laugh.gif


It wouldn?t really make sense if I tried to explain it shame you weren?t born in a real country like England then you?d be able to get all my good jokes

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Dec.2020, 10:19 PM

You think I don't know that???

I'm an Anglophile deep down and think Brooklyn "mothered" Winnie was a great man...Loved his "History of the English Speaking People"...

Posted by: Martin565 12.Dec.2020, 10:39 PM

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You think I don't know that???

I'm an Anglophile deep down and think Brooklyn "mothered" Winnie was a great man...Loved his "History of the English Speaking People"...


Your country is screwed, I?m not trying to take the piss either like a cultural civil war going on already think you?ve met your match in China, only problem is if you fuckers go you take the rest of us with you.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Dec.2020, 11:44 PM

You can blame population change for what's happening here and elsewhere in the "first world" for that...

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I'd just generalise that to the west. While the usa starts a civil war and the eu argues with each other, Asia in general only grows stronger. They lend the west money, they build everything for us, we are being used and when they have bled the west dry of every penny, every asset, every bit of technological knowledge etc they'll just turn the tap off and we'll have absolutely nothing.

Nice analysis. But weren't you the one who couldn't grasp the difference between creating an event and observing one, re the covid testing?

To extend your own argument, its like you would say if you close your eyes, the world disappears. You must really be confused every morning when you wake up.

And you claim to have been an air crash investigator?

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Did you know Shaw was famous for not using full stops commas or proper punctuation,


I didn't but that's no excuse. :-)

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QUOTE (Grommet @ 13.Dec.2020, 09:03 AM) *
Nice analysis. But weren't you the one who couldn't grasp the difference between creating an event and observing one, re the covid testing?

To extend your own argument, its like you would say if you close your eyes, the world disappears. You must really be confused every morning when you wake up.

And you claim to have been an air crash investigator?


It's not more unbelievable than you claiming to be an adult human.

Posted by: Essingen55 17.Dec.2020, 06:26 PM

The King has spoken "We have failed..."

There is nothing more to discussed in terms of Sweden's corona response.
This thread can be closed. biggrin.gif

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Dec.2020, 07:34 PM

Everything is subjective...

Even a Swedish "failure" is far superior to those that did everything right...Just look at where I am!!!

Sweden has/had the courage to try "another way" which in their mind now did not work as expected...

Sweden has publicly acknowledged that, and now will try other ways...and be like the successful people???

This thing is not over yet and time will tell...meanwhile covid goes and does as it pleases without hindrance...

Vaccine...anyone???


Posted by: SeventhGuest 19.Dec.2020, 01:24 PM

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Vaccine...anyone???

Yes sure. Let them vaccinate themselves. No, not once, twice, just to be sure.
We need more cheap workers!

Posted by: SeventhGuest 19.Dec.2020, 01:31 PM

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Ya.
And not knowing is kinda your thing, in't it.

I love how your thinking reaches from the wall plustering to the wallpaper.

Posted by: Grommet 19.Dec.2020, 07:23 PM

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I love how your thinking reaches from the wall plustering to the wallpaper.

WTF is plustering?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 19.Dec.2020, 08:02 PM

About a year now and the daily death rate in wave two approaches double of wave one...

Lets be honest have we really found a way to deal with this???

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Dec.2020, 08:10 PM

America leads the world in new cases and deaths(again)...just wondering if the Thanksgiving get togethers are responsible???

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 21.Dec.2020, 08:50 PM

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America leads the world in new cases and deaths(again)...just wondering if the Thanksgiving get togethers are responsible???


Bollocks, you are behind the British as usual! Stop trying to deprive us being the best at something! It's all we have! :-)

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 21.Dec.2020, 09:20 PM

+10 laugh.gif

Posted by: SeventhGuest 27.Dec.2020, 08:06 PM

Seems like specific people in this forum still want to shout useless "infection" numbers. A positive PCR is not necessarily an infection and an infection does not necessarily mean the person gets ill (more than 80% don't) and even if, the survival rate is about 99.5%.

But the quackery goes on and on and on. And Sweden needs to be blamed.

The problem with all you frogs is, you only compare infection numbers and not the overall mortality. If this would be about a horrible virus, we would not only have high Covid deaths numbers, but also excessive overall mortality rates. But we just don't.

Facts about Sweden: Covid deaths per 100,000 are 80.2, but Sweden has an excess mortality in 2020 of "only" 3.86% compared to the median of 2010-2019. This is really good compared to most other EU countries.

Look at Spain: Draconian measures, face masks, lockdown, but excess mortality is at 21.8% (overall deaths in 2020 compared to median of 2010-2019).

So how can anyone say that a lockdown or wearing a mask would be effective? This is ridiculous.

Picture attached.


Data sources



 
 

Posted by: SeventhGuest 28.Dec.2020, 02:31 PM

New table:

https://i.ibb.co/BnxY7mb/Vergleich.png

https://www.thelocal.se/20201228/swedens-new-pandemic-law-could-come-into-force-in-two-weeks

Seems like they want the same tyranny in Sweden like in Austria, Germany...

Why does Hallegren not wear a face mask and diaper in that picture?
Doesn't she believe the whole virus story or is she irresponsible for everyone?

If the whole story would be true, why can't we see significant excess mortality in Sweden?

Posted by: SeventhGuest 2.Jan.2021, 09:10 PM

Probably the future for Sweden, too?
Tell me Stefan, Lena and the puppet show. When will you shoot at people?

NEW - Canadian police stormed an "illegal gathering of six people" in a Gatineau home after a neighbor ratted them out. The residents resisted.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1345413604787544066?s=21
https://twitter.com/i/status/1345413604787544066

Should we arm ourself?
Logic and mind seem to be not enough to defend against the health regime.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 3.Jan.2021, 03:15 AM

And, again...We have met the enemy and they are us!!!

Posted by: SeventhGuest 6.Jan.2021, 11:59 AM

Where have the chinese chatbots aka lockdown-lovers gone?
Still in reboot mode? Firmware-Update failed? tongue.gif

Posted by: Essingen55 6.Jan.2021, 12:23 PM

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Facts about Sweden: Covid deaths per 100,000 are 80.2, but Sweden has an excess mortality in 2020 of "only" 3.86% compared to the median of 2010-2019. This is really good compared to most other EU countries.

Look at Spain: Draconian measures, face masks, lockdown, but excess mortality is at 21.8% (overall deaths in 2020 compared to median of 2010-2019).

So how can anyone say that a lockdown or wearing a mask would be effective? This is ridiculous


Except that if you look at your table for Norway...which went into an initial hard lockdown and which has similar characteristics to Sweden...you see that Norway's excess mortality is actually negative. One can argue that the success of both Norway and Finland is even more impressive than that of New Zealand.

The range of factors affecting a country's overall death rate is extensive and includes the following...

Medical facilities and health care.
Nutrition levels.
Living standard.
Access to clean drinking water.
Hygiene levels.
Levels of infectious diseases.
Social factors such as conflicts and levels of violent crime.


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 6.Jan.2021, 07:37 PM

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Where have the chinese chatbots aka lockdown-lovers gone?
Still in reboot mode? Firmware-Update failed? tongue.gif


Syntax error... Rebooting...

Posted by: kilgore 15.Jan.2021, 12:18 AM

QUOTE (Essingen55 @ 6.Jan.2021, 01:23 PM) *
Except that if you look at your table for Norway...which went into an initial hard lockdown and which has similar characteristics to Sweden...you see that Norway's excess mortality is actually negative. One can argue that the success of both Norway and Finland is even more impressive than that of New Zealand.

The range of factors affecting a country's overall death rate is extensive and includes the following...

Medical facilities and health care.
Nutrition levels.
Living standard.
Access to clean drinking water.
Hygiene levels.
Levels of infectious diseases.
Social factors such as conflicts and levels of violent crime.


Don't let yourself get distracted by non-arguments from nazis/trolls/extremely stupid people.

15%-20% cases require hospitalization
3-5% cases require intensive care

If we just let this "mostly harmless" disease run its course all hospitals would be quickly overrun, forcing doctors to undergo painful triage and mortality raising to well over 5%, due to both most critical patients dying and severe shortage of medical personnel to do their regular work of saving patients from heart attacks, car crashes, etc.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7255393/

The reason Sweden is "mostly ok" (despite numbers comparable to Italy and Spain) is because of geography and culture. Most people outside of the three largest cities live practically isolated, which drastically reduces transmission rates. Most people are also now working from home, lots of businesses are closed, and pubs close at 8, which is far from not having taken measures against the virus.

These inhuman scum just need to generate noise and fear to propagate their evil agenda. They don't really care how or about what, even if the diarrhea they spill from their mouths ends up killing people. More dissatisfaction, confusion and frustration = more votes for them. Or at least, that's what they think.

Posted by: Grommet 18.Jan.2021, 04:19 PM

Hey Kilgore. Do you love the smell of napalm in the morning?

Posted by: Guest 18.Jan.2021, 05:10 PM

QUOTE (kilgore @ 15.Jan.2021, 12:18 AM) *
Don't let yourself get distracted by non-arguments from nazis/trolls/extremely stupid people.

15%-20% cases require hospitalization
3-5% cases require intensive care

If we just let this "mostly harmless" disease run its course all hospitals would be quickly overrun, forcing doctors to undergo painful triage and mortality raising to well over 5%, due to both most critical patients dying and severe shortage of medical personnel to do their regular work of saving patients from heart attacks, car crashes, etc.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC7255393/

The reason Sweden is "mostly ok" (despite numbers comparable to Italy and Spain) is because of geography and culture. Most people outside of the three largest cities live practically isolated, which drastically reduces transmission rates. Most people are also now working from home, lots of businesses are closed, and pubs close at 8, which is far from not having taken measures against the virus.

These inhuman scum just need to generate noise and fear to propagate their evil agenda. They don't really care how or about what, even if the diarrhea they spill from their mouths ends up killing people. More dissatisfaction, confusion and frustration = more votes for them. Or at least, that's what they think.

15-20% need hospital? Really? I probably know a few dozen folk who've had it in two countries, the only ones who went to hospital were in their 80s and in some level of care already. Mortality is declining at present in most countries, because they have learnt what works in doesn't in terms of ICU care.

Just a look at the infection rate, roughly 4000-8000 of tested cases per day, proves there is no way that high a percentage are in hospital.

No country is just letting the disease run, just because sweden hasn't labelled their measures as a lockdown doesn't mean the measures aren't broadly similar to elsewhere.

Posted by: Grommet 18.Jan.2021, 05:45 PM

QUOTE (Skogsbo1 @ 18.Jan.2021, 06:10 PM) *
15-20% need hospital? Really? I probably know a few dozen folk who've had it in two countries, the only ones who went to hospital were in their 80s and in some level of care already. Mortality is declining at present in most countries, because they have learnt what works in doesn't in terms of ICU care.

Just a look at the infection rate, roughly 4000-8000 of tested cases per day, proves there is no way that high a percentage are in hospital.

No country is just letting the disease run, just because sweden hasn't labelled their measures as a lockdown doesn't mean the measures aren't broadly similar to elsewhere.

Full of shit as usual.

And in other news. Sweden surpasses 10,000 dead. Meanwhile, in Finland, 618.

Sweden: in lowered expectation we trust.

Posted by: Grommet 19.Jan.2021, 06:59 PM

Wow, Sweden closing in on 11,000 dead pretty fast. Sweden looks to be a Herzog documentary in the making.

Meanwhile Finland goes from 618 to 621 over the same period of time MeatHeads go from 10,331 to 10,591.

Bravo Sweden!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 20.Jan.2021, 02:55 AM

Finland has 600 more covid deaths than Tanzania...an amazing statistic...

Posted by: Grommet 20.Jan.2021, 12:07 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 20.Jan.2021, 03:55 AM) *
Finland has 600 more covid deaths than Tanzania...an amazing statistic...

Even more amazing: Sweden has 10570 more deaths from covid than Tanzania, and 9,970 more deaths than does Finland.

Good point, thanks for that.

Posted by: kilgore 20.Jan.2021, 01:34 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 19.Jan.2021, 06:59 PM) *
Wow, Sweden closing in on 11,000 dead pretty fast. Sweden looks to be a Herzog documentary in the making.

Meanwhile Finland goes from 618 to 621 over the same period of time MeatHeads go from 10,331 to 10,591.

Bravo Sweden!


Being pragmatic, after the virus became a pandemic I don't think the specific number of deaths is nearly as important as whether the spread is under control and whether the healthcare system can absorb the blow.


Posted by: Grommet 20.Jan.2021, 05:24 PM

QUOTE (kilgore @ 20.Jan.2021, 02:34 PM) *
Being pragmatic, after the virus became a pandemic I don't think the specific number of deaths is nearly as important as whether the spread is under control and whether the healthcare system can absorb the blow.

Well, you can dissociate from the deaths if you like but they are of course associated/correlated to spread, are they not? The mortality rate is a global one, right?

And my point was more about the relative difference in total deaths, which is anyway at least in part simultaneously a statement of the relative levels of spread since number of deaths seems to be proportional to the level of spread.

And then there is also the MeatHeadian wrench of pre-emptive triage in efforts to maintain a 20% ICU "open-bed" policy from the very start, to throw in the works. That really helped them to quickly realise the extended death count they were aiming for.

"You can either surf, or you can fight!"

Right?

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 20.Jan.2021, 05:37 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 20.Jan.2021, 02:55 AM) *
Finland has 600 more covid deaths than Tanzania...an amazing statistic...


You've miss the point again! There has been zero deaths on Mars! Those bastards have their fingers on the pulse and have it all under control.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 20.Jan.2021, 06:07 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 20.Jan.2021, 05:37 PM) *
You've miss the point again! There has been zero deaths on Mars! Those bastards have their fingers on the pulse and have it all under control.


Yes I see...Definitely a nefarious plot conceived to repopulate the Earth with Martians and carried out by the space station occupants...

Those fiends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted by: TheExpatEagle 20.Jan.2021, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 20.Jan.2021, 06:07 PM) *
Yes I see...Definitely a nefarious plot conceived to repopulate the Earth with Martians and carried out by the space station occupants...

Those fiends!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I think you just broke the record for exclamation marks! :-)

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 20.Jan.2021, 08:56 PM

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Posted by: quanglewangle 21.Jan.2021, 01:36 PM

Hello
This may already have been flagged but because we have relatives in overseas we watch (from UK) the COVID19 reports - particularly Sweden. The Swedish statistics posted by Folkh?lsomyndigheten (and shown to the world on Worldomoters.info/coronavirus) are very misleading; looking at their graph the daily death toll is very small and declining. e.g. on 20th January they reported 31 new deaths but the cumulative total went up by 206. This disparity happens every day and is because the numbers are uplifted retrospectively - giving an entirely false picture. Has no-one challenged this approach that is different to all other countries that report all new deaths on the day they are added to the roll?.... The result is that it looks as though Sweden is over the worst when it isn't!

Posted by: Guest 21.Jan.2021, 02:16 PM

QUOTE (quanglewangle @ 21.Jan.2021, 01:36 PM) *
Hello
This may already have been flagged but because we have relatives in overseas we watch (from UK) the COVID19 reports - particularly Sweden. The Swedish statistics posted by Folkh?lsomyndigheten (and shown to the world on Worldomoters.info/coronavirus) are very misleading; looking at their graph the daily death toll is very small and declining. e.g. on 20th January they reported 31 new deaths but the cumulative total went up by 206. This disparity happens every day and is because the numbers are uplifted retrospectively - giving an entirely false picture. Has no-one challenged this approach that is different to all other countries that report all new deaths on the day they are added to the roll?... The result is that it looks as though Sweden is over the worst when it isn't!

There are different death figures. There are those report of the numbers of people who literally died the previous day and there are those reported when the equivalent of a coroner has completed the death certificate; which could be 1 or 2 weeks later (autopsy, lab results etc).

The worst to come; I don't think we'll see the death rates decline for another week, but daily infection rates have been slowly declining for a week or more.

Plus, there is of course a variation in how countries count covid deaths, 28 days after a test, died with covid or because of it, and so on. So it's hard compare.

Posted by: Yortis 21.Jan.2021, 02:30 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 20.Jan.2021, 02:55 AM) *
Finland has 600 more covid deaths than Tanzania...an amazing statistic...



Dumb.As usual.

Posted by: Yortis 21.Jan.2021, 02:32 PM

QUOTE (quanglewangle @ 21.Jan.2021, 01:36 PM) *
Hello
This may already have been flagged but because we have relatives in overseas we watch (from UK) the COVID19 reports - particularly Sweden. The Swedish statistics posted by Folkh?lsomyndigheten (and shown to the world on Worldomoters.info/coronavirus) are very misleading; looking at their graph the daily death toll is very small and declining. e.g. on 20th January they reported 31 new deaths but the cumulative total went up by 206. This disparity happens every day and is because the numbers are uplifted retrospectively - giving an entirely false picture. Has no-one challenged this approach that is different to all other countries that report all new deaths on the day they are added to the roll?... The result is that it looks as though Sweden is over the worst when it isn't!


Typical underhand swedish lying technique.

Posted by: Angela 22.Jan.2021, 08:39 AM

Anyone, with just an ounce of logic, will know that Sweden has been stupid. Yes Stupid. Ignorance is when you don't have the facts, but when you do, and still don't do anything, that is plain stupidity. Not to mention the plain and obvious lies.
Now the world has been watching too and knows how stupid this country is. Hopefully, now the "good" reputation of Sweden has gone down the drain .... where it belongs. I am just so sorry for the 11,000 dead and their loved ones. It does not seem to matter to the rest of the Swedes who carry on as normal... its not them or their families, so who cares, right? Empathy is not prevalent here.

In the past and before moving here, I had only heard good stuff about this country and how wonderful it was. Of course, it all came from Swedes. Had I known foreigners living here, then for sure I would have had strong second thoughts. Now, after 15 years of living and breathing the life, culture, and "jantelagen", I am so leaving. Just waiting to safely be able to get on a flight and out of here! Had 2 flight tickets cancelled in 2020, and what a hassle that was!



Posted by: TheExpatEagle 22.Jan.2021, 09:59 AM

QUOTE (Angela @ 22.Jan.2021, 08:39 AM) *
Anyone, with just an ounce of logic, will know that Sweden has been stupid. Yes Stupid. Ignorance is when you don't have the facts, but when you do, and still don't do anything, that is plain stupidity. Not to mention the plain and obvious lies.
Now the world has been watching too and knows how stupid this country is. Hopefully, now the "good" reputation of Sweden has gone down the drain ... where it belongs. I am just so sorry for the 11,000 dead and their loved ones. It does not seem to matter to the rest of the Swedes who carry on as normal... its not them or their families, so who cares, right? Empathy is not prevalent here.

In the past and before moving here, I had only heard good stuff about this country and how wonderful it was. Of course, it all came from Swedes. Had I known foreigners living here, then for sure I would have had strong second thoughts. Now, after 15 years of living and breathing the life, culture, and "jantelagen", I am so leaving. Just waiting to safely be able to get on a flight and out of here! Had 2 flight tickets cancelled in 2020, and what a hassle that was!


Another deluded foreigner who thinks Sweden should revolve around them. People who want attention announce their leaving in a hissy fit. Just go quietly.

Sweden went a different way. Maybe it will prove to be right maybe not but as other countries have a worse death rate it can be said they got it wrong not Sweden.

What do people like you do? Sit and wait to be told how to make yourself safe or take precautions based on your own intellect? Maybe this is why fewer everyday Swedes have caught Covid?

Posted by: Martin565 22.Jan.2021, 10:13 AM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 22.Jan.2021, 09:59 AM) *
Another deluded foreigner who thinks Sweden should revolve around them. People who want attention announce their leaving in a hissy fit. Just go quietly.

Sweden went a different way. Maybe it will prove to be right maybe not but as other countries have a worse death rate it can be said they got it wrong not Sweden.

What do people like you do? Sit and wait to be told how to make yourself safe or take precautions based on your own intellect? Maybe this is why fewer everyday Swedes have caught Covid?


Everyday Swede (Sven)
Sometimes a Swede (expat twat)
Wanna be swede (treeman)
Never be a swede (Martin)

Posted by: Yortis 22.Jan.2021, 11:01 AM

QUOTE (Angela @ 22.Jan.2021, 08:39 AM) *
Anyone, with just an ounce of logic, will know that Sweden has been stupid. Yes Stupid. Ignorance is when you don't have the facts, but when you do, and still don't do anything, that is plain stupidity. Not to mention the plain and obvious lies.
Now the world has been watching too and knows how stupid this country is. Hopefully, now the "good" reputation of Sweden has gone down the drain ... where it belongs. I am just so sorry for the 11,000 dead and their loved ones. It does not seem to matter to the rest of the Swedes who carry on as normal... its not them or their families, so who cares, right? Empathy is not prevalent here.

In the past and before moving here, I had only heard good stuff about this country and how wonderful it was. Of course, it all came from Swedes. Had I known foreigners living here, then for sure I would have had strong second thoughts. Now, after 15 years of living and breathing the life, culture, and "jantelagen", I am so leaving. Just waiting to safely be able to get on a flight and out of here! Had 2 flight tickets cancelled in 2020, and what a hassle that was!


You are so totally right!

Posted by: Yortis 22.Jan.2021, 11:04 AM

Interestingly London and sweden have similar population and very similar fatalities.
If you consider how densely populated London is and many other negative aspects of London,it shows you how terrible sweden has been covid wise.

Posted by: Essingen55 22.Jan.2021, 12:01 PM

QUOTE
If you consider how densely populated London is and many other negative aspects of London,it shows you how terrible sweden has been covid wise.


Exactly, but that is what happens if you let it run wild. And we are still doing so....restaurants for example, must be a hive of infection. Sweden thinks that extending an 8:00 om alcohol ban for a further two weeks is being tough. They have really no idea.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Jan.2021, 01:59 PM

So it takes some people 15 years to find out they don't like the country they immigrated to...

Posted by: Railman 22.Jan.2021, 03:02 PM

QUOTE (Essingen55 @ 22.Jan.2021, 12:01 PM) *
...restaurants for example, must be a hive of infection. Sweden thinks that extending an 8:00 om alcohol ban for a further two weeks is being tough. They have really no idea.


No, they "must" not. The measures in place mean that people don't mingle, and the virus isn't going to leap 20 metres across the room into another person. In any case, with only around 0.3% of people in Stockholm currently infected, the chance of even one person in "the hive of infection" having corona is low, especially when you then take into account people who have tested positive staying at home.

If you shut restaurants, people will instead gather together in homes, where they then let their guard down and mingle freely, etc.

France has shut all restaurants, bars and cafes since the end of October - so given that these "hives of infection" are shut why are infection rates going up there when the only things left to do indoors outside the home are to go shopping? The answer being because people meet in their homes.

France has implemented all these "tough" measures and its results are just the same as Sweden, but with a vastly higher toll on people's mental well-being.

Posted by: Angela 22.Jan.2021, 03:26 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 22.Jan.2021, 01:59 PM) *
So it takes some people 15 years to find out they don't like the country they immigrated to...


Can't blame someone for giving the "benefit of the doubt". During the 15 years, I have had the luck to have to live abroad for short spells due to work. How refreshing that was, but unfortunately, each time I returned, it became so much more apparent how bad it really is here, and how much I disliked it. I have lived and worked in 6 countries.

Before Covid, it was more the heights of inefficiency, lack of empathy, the loneliness of the older folk, living alone and neglected by their families that got me, aside from the discrimmination and racism that prevails of course. I knew of a 100 year old, living on those yucky Findus meals, and his oldest grandson and girlfriend lived on the parallel street, 5 minute walk from him. Never once did they even think of sending him a nice freshly cooked meal, let alone visit him. That is not "family values" to me. You cannot imagine how thankful I am to be from a very different culture.


Posted by: Yortis 22.Jan.2021, 03:40 PM

QUOTE (Angela @ 22.Jan.2021, 03:26 PM) *
Can't blame someone for giving the "benefit of the doubt". During the 15 years, I have had the luck to have to live abroad for short spells due to work. How refreshing that was, but unfortunately, each time I returned, it became so much more apparent how bad it really is here, and how much I disliked it. I have lived and worked in 6 countries.

Before Covid, it was more the heights of inefficiency, lack of empathy, the loneliness of the older folk, living alone and neglected by their families that got me, aside from the discrimmination and racism that prevails of course. I knew of a 100 year old, living on those yucky Findus meals, and his oldest grandson and girlfriend lived on the parallel street, 5 minute walk from him. Never once did they even think of sending him a nice freshly cooked meal, let alone visit him. That is not "family values" to me. You cannot imagine how thankful I am to be from a very different culture.


Again, I know what you mean and you are so right.
sweden is a sick sick society, mainly because of swedes.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Jan.2021, 03:43 PM

The fact that you are of a "different" culture is the reason for your dislike of where you are...

Posted by: Yortis 22.Jan.2021, 04:28 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 22.Jan.2021, 03:43 PM) *
The fact that you are of a "different" culture is the reason for your dislike of where you are...



As Angela said, she has lived in 6 different countries, I have lived in many different countries..I am from a different culture to all those other countries I have lived in. Thus far,sweden is the only one of those countries that I consider to be sick...sick, inhuman people.
I know it must be difficult for you to hear this, but again,as Angela said, so many foreighners in sweden have the same experience and feel the same.
swedes are freaks. For swedes it must be unbearable to know this.Especially as , once,when they were a homogenous country,they didnt realise they were freaks, because everyone was the same as them.But once swedes began to travel more and once immigration happened on a large scale,they realised what sad,dead,sick freaks they are.Hard to hear I know.
And this sickness is passed down from parent to child ad infinitum.
The coldness and callousness displayed to old people in sweden...what else is to be expected? For these old people were once younger parents and they treated their offspring in that cold cold swedish way, creating desensitised,emotionally shut down people and these children,now grown,have returned the favour.

Posted by: Martin565 22.Jan.2021, 04:36 PM


Posted by: Angela 22.Jan.2021, 06:30 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 22.Jan.2021, 03:43 PM) *
The fact that you are of a "different" culture is the reason for your dislike of where you are...


No that is definitely not a correct assumption. I actually liked and was happy in the 5 other countries ...I am a very adaptable person, culturewise, food, religion, etc. I know how to respect.

What I also cannot accept here is that Sweden is supposed to be all democratic and a First World country...and yet people are afraid to voice their opinions to be "singled out" from the rest who are in the "jantelagen" bubble.

I have worked in 2 very prominent Swedish companies, meeting after meeting with no decisions, but it makes them feel "important" to be in so many meetings.
Nothing works efficiently!! Not even being digitalized!! Third-world countries I have been to have as good, if not better digital services with their phones, etc, and even their banking facilities. Things get done - easy to understand, clear instructions and they do their best to answer your questions even if it is "outside the box"!

There is no perfect place to live in this world, but Sweden is far below the ranks. Too much hypocrisy, jealousy, and close-mindedness are what make it all fail. Sad to say, but the Swedes of past centuries, they worked hard, were not arrogant and willing to learn from others, and developed something in this country, which definitely isn't the culture of today.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 22.Jan.2021, 08:46 PM


Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 22.Jan.2021, 11:24 PM

+143,109 New covid cases in the USA!!!

What has Biden done about it???

The USA is WORSE than Sweden!!!

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Posted by: Angela 23.Jan.2021, 02:42 PM

If Swedes are only going to deflect topics of concern to other topics, thinking it is to "win" the argument...that does not solve the infections and deaths in Sweden from Covid 19.

This discussion forum is about Corona response, which is BAD in Sweden. We should compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges. So in all fairness, compare Sweden with other Nordic countries, eg Finland, Norway, Denmark. Just add those populations together, their infection rates, and their death tolls.... Sweden surpasses their combined total threefold.

That is a very clear indication of the situation here.

IT has become abundantly clear to the world, from East to West, how this corona situation has been so badly handled here.... news reports, documentaries that have interview and quotes from concerned Swedish Doctors, Tegnell's predecessor, etc. These are the facts of this matter.


Posted by: Martin565 23.Jan.2021, 03:05 PM


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Jan.2021, 04:00 PM

QUOTE (Angela @ 23.Jan.2021, 02:42 PM) *
If Swedes are only going to deflect topics of concern to other topics, thinking it is to "win" the argument...that does not solve the infections and deaths in Sweden from Covid 19.

This discussion forum is about Corona response, which is BAD in Sweden. We should compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges. So in all fairness, compare Sweden with other Nordic countries, eg Finland, Norway, Denmark. Just add those populations together, their infection rates, and their death tolls... Sweden surpasses their combined total threefold.

That is a very clear indication of the situation here.

IT has become abundantly clear to the world, from East to West, how this corona situation has been so badly handled here... news reports, documentaries that have interview and quotes from concerned Swedish Doctors, Tegnell's predecessor, etc. These are the facts of this matter.


How about we compare Sweden with the UK who has the word death rate. So therefore the UK has to have handled the Covid crisis in a more ineffective manner than Sweden.

Most of the people here bashing Sweden are doing so with one eye close holding their nose at the stink their own country is producing. I am not blind to what's going on in my country so I don't see how I can criticise Sweden.

I think people are trying to deflect attention onto Sweden to cause a distraction.

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Posted by: Yortis 23.Jan.2021, 04:38 PM

QUOTE (Angela @ 23.Jan.2021, 02:42 PM) *
If Swedes are only going to deflect topics of concern to other topics, thinking it is to "win" the argument...that does not solve the infections and deaths in Sweden from Covid 19.

This discussion forum is about Corona response, which is BAD in Sweden. We should compare apples with apples and not apples with oranges. So in all fairness, compare Sweden with other Nordic countries, eg Finland, Norway, Denmark. Just add those populations together, their infection rates, and their death tolls... Sweden surpasses their combined total threefold.

That is a very clear indication of the situation here.

IT has become abundantly clear to the world, from East to West, how this corona situation has been so badly handled here... news reports, documentaries that have interview and quotes from concerned Swedish Doctors, Tegnell's predecessor, etc. These are the facts of this matter.



Absolutely correct again.
And well done for calling out the typical swedish deflection technique.
sweden's covid strategy is abysma,total failure.
When there's only one swede left alive in sweden, it will still be defending sweden's strategy.it has no choice, it can't do otherwise, it is a swede.

Posted by: Yortis 23.Jan.2021, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 23.Jan.2021, 04:00 PM) *
How about we compare Sweden with the UK who has the word death rate. So therefore the UK has to have handled the Covid crisis in a more ineffective manner than Sweden.

Most of the people here bashing Sweden are doing so with one eye close holding their nose at the stink their own country is producing. I am not blind to what's going on in my country so I don't see how I can criticise Sweden.

I think people are trying to deflect attention onto Sweden to cause a distraction.



Ha ha ha, you make me laugh.

And on a serious note, you don't even have the moral fibre to apologise for remarks you made about another person's child. That is very low indeed.

Posted by: Yortis 23.Jan.2021, 04:43 PM


Posted by: Martin565 23.Jan.2021, 05:41 PM


Posted by: Essingen55 23.Jan.2021, 05:43 PM

QUOTE
I have worked in 2 very prominent Swedish companies, meeting after meeting with no decisions, but it makes them feel "important" to be in so many meetings.


Been there. Done that. And as you get older you gradually realise that the managers in many Swedish companies are professional lunatics who stumble from one management job to another without delivering anything at all.

I would bet that at least one of the two companies you have worked for is a Swedish Bank.

Posted by: Essingen55 23.Jan.2021, 05:45 PM

QUOTE
https://sverigesradio.se/artikel/halmstad-forbjuder-munskydd-i-skolan


This sort of woman should have been strangled at birth.

Posted by: Grommet 23.Jan.2021, 05:46 PM


Posted by: Grommet 23.Jan.2021, 05:52 PM

And one just for the Binky Beagle, who clearly has cabin fever in MeatBallia: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-AdfJKxyyc

"Your dad will be disgusted when he sees your mangina busted."

Posted by: Grommet 23.Jan.2021, 05:55 PM

QUOTE (Essingen55 @ 23.Jan.2021, 06:45 PM) *
This sort of woman should have been strangled at birth.

It's as bad as the Yank wanker here, who applauds Trump and now just 1 day into Biden's term, complains, that Biden has done nothing about covid.

People nowadays are somehow, oddly, so self-entitled and stupid. It really amazes me how bad it's become. Young to old, stupidity cares not the age of its victims.

Posted by: Martin565 23.Jan.2021, 05:57 PM


Posted by: Angela 23.Jan.2021, 06:18 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 23.Jan.2021, 04:00 PM) *
How about we compare Sweden with the UK who has the word death rate. So therefore the UK has to have handled the Covid crisis in a more ineffective manner than Sweden.

Most of the people here bashing Sweden are doing so with one eye close holding their nose at the stink their own country is producing. I am not blind to what's going on in my country so I don't see how I can criticise Sweden.

I think people are trying to deflect attention onto Sweden to cause a distraction.


UK has approx 66 million people with a population density of 275 per sq km.
Sweden has approx 10 million with a density of 25 per sq km.

This is what I mean by comparing apples with apples instead of apples with oranges. It is different and even the climate.
The most appropriate comparison would be other Nordic countries, as I mentioned.

Why can't Swedes see the failure for what it is, as your King did, and sit up and try to rectify the situation rather than just deflect the failure to something totally different and feel that you are "great"? That's not gonna save lives, unfortunately.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Jan.2021, 06:51 PM

",but instead all over the local.se 24/7 like a bad rash?"

I love it when a person is criticized for being on TheLocal, by a person who is also on TheLocal...

The intelligence of that way of thinking is unsurpassed...

Posted by: Yortis 23.Jan.2021, 07:38 PM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 23.Jan.2021, 06:51 PM) *
",but instead all over the local.se 24/7 like a bad rash?"

I love it when a person is criticized for being on TheLocal, by a person who is also on TheLocal...

The intelligence of that way of thinking is unsurpassed...



Predicatable.
Is that the best you can do?
Is that all you can say when confounded by arguments as overwhelming as those presented by such as Angela?
Typical swede avoidance of the issue and deflection technique.

(I did just happen to peruse the chat forum,glance at other titles and subjects and that other person is EVERYWHERE. I,on the otherhand,am not).

Your total posts are 13,339.

That other person, 1405.

Myself,422.

Once more you demonstrate a stunning failure to grasp reality,an inability to support your position with facts,hypocrisy,pot calling the kettle black and illustrate why your intelligence is easily surpassed by most anyone.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Jan.2021, 07:51 PM

"your intelligence is easily surpassed by most anyone."

Maybe so...but definitely not you!!! laugh.gif

Posted by: Martin565 23.Jan.2021, 08:03 PM

QUOTE (Angela @ 23.Jan.2021, 06:18 PM) *
UK has approx 66 million people with a population density of 275 per sq km.
Sweden has approx 10 million with a density of 25 per sq km.

This is what I mean by comparing apples with apples instead of apples with oranges. It is different and even the climate.
The most appropriate comparison would be other Nordic countries, as I mentioned.

Why can't Swedes see the failure for what it is, as your King did, and sit up and try to rectify the situation rather than just deflect the failure to something totally different and feel that you are "great"? That's not gonna save lives, unfortunately.


86m if you include all the illegals

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Jan.2021, 08:06 PM

"https://www.cnbc.com/2021/01/22/biden-says-nothing-can-change-the-trajectory-of-covid-pandemic-over-the-next-several-months.html"

Biden admits that his campaign promises about covid were lies and he cannot stop it as he promised!!!

Even the Swedes know this!!!

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Jan.2021, 08:15 PM


Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 23.Jan.2021, 08:16 PM

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

The UK, again leads the world in new covid cases...ergo they must be doing a better job than the Swedes...

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Jan.2021, 08:17 PM

QUOTE (Yortis @ 23.Jan.2021, 04:41 PM) *
Ha ha ha, you make me laugh.

And on a serious note, you don't even have the moral fibre to apologise for remarks you made about another person's child. That is very low indeed.


Because I didn't say anything to apologise for. Speaking of apologies when are you going to start eating humble pie? Your morons should form a club and make your own forum for angry morons who have an irrational hatred of Sweden.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Jan.2021, 08:19 PM

QUOTE (Yortis @ 23.Jan.2021, 04:43 PM) *
If your life im sweden is so good, why are you not living the good life ,but instead all over the local.se 24/7 like a bad rash?


Are you high on drugs? I'm not on here 24/7. I'm usually here once in the evening for a laugh and to correct liars like your who try to spread shit about Sweden.

Try telling the truth for a change and stop deflecting. Are you taking Putin's money?

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Jan.2021, 08:24 PM


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Jan.2021, 08:26 PM

QUOTE (Angela @ 23.Jan.2021, 06:18 PM) *
UK has approx 66 million people with a population density of 275 per sq km.
Sweden has approx 10 million with a density of 25 per sq km.

This is what I mean by comparing apples with apples instead of apples with oranges. It is different and even the climate.
The most appropriate comparison would be other Nordic countries, as I mentioned.

Why can't Swedes see the failure for what it is, as your King did, and sit up and try to rectify the situation rather than just deflect the failure to something totally different and feel that you are "great"? That's not gonna save lives, unfortunately.


Why can't you admit Sweden isn't the worst country in the world. You can try to ring fence Sweden to 'compare oranges with oranges' but that is just you trying to make a circumstance to prove your lie as true.

If I remember correctly 50% of Sweden's deaths have been in homes or hospitals which renders your density argument irrelevant.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 23.Jan.2021, 08:28 PM


Posted by: Martin565 23.Jan.2021, 09:58 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 23.Jan.2021, 08:15 PM) *
Go back and check your messages. You're not English but you're from Birmingham? You claimed to be English often enough.

You lie so much you don't even know what's true. If you told me the sky was blue I'd go and check.


You can be from a city ie well settled lived a long time have family roots and not be of the nationality of the cities country or are you being racist?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 24.Jan.2021, 05:56 AM

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-defends-removing-churchill-statue-from-oval-office

So far Joe Biden has done nothing to stop the covid pandemic!!!

But he has found a way to insult the English speaking world by removing Winston Churchill's statue from the Oval Office...

That buffoon probably does not know that Churchill's Mother was an American citizen, born in Brooklyn, New York...

What other stupidities are to follow???

Posted by: Grommet 24.Jan.2021, 06:47 AM

QUOTE (Gamla H?lsingebock @ 24.Jan.2021, 06:56 AM) *
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/biden-administration-defends-removing-churchill-statue-from-oval-office
So far Joe Biden has done nothing to stop the covid pandemic!!!

Hilarious! And yet still, in 2 days, he has done more than Trump ever did in 4 years.

So this is all you R's (R = retards) have left? You are so devoid of your own thoughts, all you have is to regurgitate "news" from known entertainment channels?

Pathetic. No wonder you follow losers.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 24.Jan.2021, 11:43 AM

QUOTE (Martin565 @ 23.Jan.2021, 09:58 PM) *
You can be from a city ie well settled lived a long time have family roots and not be of the nationality of the cities country or are you being racist?


No, I'm being factual! You are from where you are born. You are raised where you are raised. Fuck me man, use words how they are intended to be used not by how you want them to be used.

Oh, look up the definition of racist too. You've done more to classify yourself as a racist in the past year than anyone I know.

You are becoming a fucking joke.

Posted by: Railman 24.Jan.2021, 01:07 PM

QUOTE (Angela @ 23.Jan.2021, 06:18 PM) *
UK has approx 66 million people with a population density of 275 per sq km.
Sweden has approx 10 million with a density of 25 per sq km.

This is what I mean by comparing apples with apples instead of apples with oranges.


Well what a completely fallacious argument to say one is comparing apples with oranges. The reason the figures are so different are because of vast areas of Sweden where nobody or very few people live - people in Sweden aren't all neatly spaced apart from each other across the country in square kilometre boxes each containing 25 people. The overwhelming majority are grouped together in urban concentrations.

Posted by: Martin565 24.Jan.2021, 01:18 PM


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 24.Jan.2021, 08:22 PM


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Posted by: Martin565 25.Jan.2021, 09:14 AM


Posted by: Angela 25.Jan.2021, 11:17 AM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 23.Jan.2021, 08:26 PM) *
Why can't you admit Sweden isn't the worst country in the world. You can try to ring fence Sweden to 'compare oranges with oranges' but that is just you trying to make a circumstance to prove your lie as true.

If I remember correctly 50% of Sweden's deaths have been in homes or hospitals which renders your density argument irrelevant.



Yes you are correct that it was reported in the SPRING of 2020 that about 50% of the deaths were mainly from elder homes. THe total death toll before summer was around 5,500, meaning about 2,800 were assumed to be the elder folk. Even the "watchdog" who are doing investigations came up with a confirmed figure of 2,800 elder folk, but indicated possibly a little higher. That means we can assume about 2,000 were not the elderly. So what age group was that? THere is no statistics to that.

Up to now, it is like 11,000. They are not able to use the same "song" citing the elderly only. So, what age group is it that has increased the death toll so tremendously?

Sweden may not be "the worst", but definitely, "ONE OF THE WORST". For a first world country, where people get an education,, etc, why then, with such a small population, low density, being all digitalized, etc, that they cannot have some control of the vast spread and deaths? As your King exclaimed, "we have failed" .... at least he is honest.

Posted by: Angela 25.Jan.2021, 11:17 AM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 23.Jan.2021, 08:26 PM) *
Why can't you admit Sweden isn't the worst country in the world. You can try to ring fence Sweden to 'compare oranges with oranges' but that is just you trying to make a circumstance to prove your lie as true.

If I remember correctly 50% of Sweden's deaths have been in homes or hospitals which renders your density argument irrelevant.



Yes you are correct that it was reported in the SPRING of 2020 that about 50% of the deaths were mainly from elder homes. THe total death toll before summer was around 5,500, meaning about 2,800 were assumed to be the elder folk. Even the "watchdog" who are doing investigations came up with a confirmed figure of 2,800 elder folk, but indicated possibly a little higher. That means we can assume about 2,000 were not the elderly. So what age group was that? THere is no statistics to that.

Up to now, it is like 11,000. They are not able to use the same "song" citing the elderly only. So, what age group is it that has increased the death toll so tremendously?

Sweden may not be "the worst", but definitely, "ONE OF THE WORST". For a first world country, where people get an education,, etc, why then, with such a small population, low density, being all digitalized, etc, that they cannot have some control of the vast spread and deaths? As your King exclaimed, "we have failed" .... at least he is honest.

Posted by: Yortis 25.Jan.2021, 11:53 AM

Sweden currently has the 6th highest death rate per million people IN THE WORLD from covid 19.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 25.Jan.2021, 12:36 PM

QUOTE (Yortis @ 25.Jan.2021, 11:53 AM) *
Sweden currently has the 6th highest death rate per million people IN THE WORLD from covid 19.


So, not 1st then? So their way of treating Covid isn't the worst?

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 25.Jan.2021, 12:49 PM


Posted by: Martin565 25.Jan.2021, 12:59 PM


Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 25.Jan.2021, 01:11 PM

QUOTE (Yortis @ 25.Jan.2021, 11:53 AM) *
Sweden currently has the 6th highest death rate per million people IN THE WORLD from covid 19.






False...not true...

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

Posted by: Grommet 25.Jan.2021, 02:14 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 25.Jan.2021, 01:36 PM) *
So, not 1st then? So their way of treating Covid isn't the worst?

Well, at least you're not in denial. Really hilarious the way you add things up. Were you by chance, educated in Meatballia? Ever written an essay, and received a passing grade?

It doesn't matter if Meatballia is the worst or not, you tool. > 11,000 deaths, compared to < 700 in Finland, for example, is horridly poor performance. You on't have to like it, but denying it really doesn't make the numbers better. Anyone who can't see that, is quite simply, rather stupid.

Go split hairs somewhere else. You get all worked up into such a state over NOTHING. Perhaps you would rather continuously shit your pants in a more private setting? Or, just keep humiliating yourself here, time and time again.

Posted by: Essingen55 25.Jan.2021, 07:04 PM

QUOTE
Sweden may not be "the worst", but definitely, "ONE OF THE WORST".


Sweden's response has been truly pitiful, no doubt about it. Behind the curve on absolutely everything. The latest example is the percentage of positive tests that we analyse to determine the variation of the virus. Denmark is doing 100%, Sweden is doing 10% because it is too expensive to do them all.

So tomorrow we will see a new number of people vaccinated....and we will be behind the rest of the world in that area as well.

Posted by: Martin565 25.Jan.2021, 07:20 PM



 
 

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Posted by: Grommet 25.Jan.2021, 07:33 PM


Posted by: Martin565 25.Jan.2021, 07:41 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 25.Jan.2021, 08:33 PM) *
Haha ya, he grassed on you in between choking on his own slobber. Maybe it was Darren. You know, he always "knows a guy".


Brums finest that West Midlands police

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 25.Jan.2021, 07:44 PM


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 25.Jan.2021, 07:49 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 25.Jan.2021, 02:14 PM) *
Well, at least you're not in denial. Really hilarious the way you add things up. Were you by chance, educated in Meatballia? Ever written an essay, and received a passing grade?

It doesn't matter if Meatballia is the worst or not, you tool. > 11,000 deaths, compared to < 700 in Finland, for example, is horridly poor performance. You on't have to like it, but denying it really doesn't make the numbers better. Anyone who can't see that, is quite simply, rather stupid.

Go split hairs somewhere else. You get all worked up into such a state over NOTHING. Perhaps you would rather continuously shit your pants in a more private setting? Or, just keep humiliating yourself here, time and time again.


If someone says Sweden is the worse and they are not then that original claim has been proved to be false. There is nothing ambiguous about being wrong.

People keep using words in their own way instead of how they are meant to be used. Maybe that's why you numptys can't get on in Sweden because Swedish a literal language.

Here's some help. If somewhere is the worst it means they are the worst of all! Not top 6. Sweden can't have handled Covid the worse of everyone if they are not the worst. It is that simple.

Did England win the World Cup by coming 4th? Moron!

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 25.Jan.2021, 07:53 PM


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 25.Jan.2021, 07:54 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 25.Jan.2021, 07:33 PM) *
Haha ya, he grassed on you in between choking on his own slobber. Maybe it was Darren. You know, he always "knows a guy".


Are you waiting in the shower wing with a bar of soap in anticipation at Martin dropping by? Martin might be stupid be even he wouldn't pick up the soap in the shower.

Posted by: Martin565 25.Jan.2021, 07:57 PM

QUOTE (TheExpatEagle @ 25.Jan.2021, 08:53 PM) *
So it isn't only me who thinks you're a [email protected]!

I accept I'm not smart but relatively speaking I'm a genius compared to you. This forum runs on very old software and it was hacked a decade ago. Everyone's details are there to see if you are stupid enough to put them in.

I'm glad someone is keeping an eye on you. However, the West Midlands Police are (or were) the worst police I ever had the misfortune to deal with in my time as an away fan. They are legendary among football fans from elsewhere for their ineptitude.

BTW what sad person has vertical blinds? Only offices have them no self respecting residential property.


We finally agree on something wmp are the filth of the filth, watch below yeah I was in my office and what of it?
https://youtu.be/Np_aTwwpfMw

Posted by: Martin565 25.Jan.2021, 07:59 PM


Posted by: Yortis 25.Jan.2021, 09:35 PM

Swedish medical expertise and efficiency:


https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/sweden-gives-1-000-people-covid-19-shots-kept-at-wrong-temperature-101611325167704-amp.html

Posted by: yonisan 26.Jan.2021, 06:47 AM

QUOTE (Angela @ 23.Jan.2021, 06:18 PM) *
UK has approx 66 million people with a population density of 275 per sq km.
Sweden has approx 10 million with a density of 25 per sq km.

This is what I mean by comparing apples with apples instead of apples with oranges. It is different and even the climate.
The most appropriate comparison would be other Nordic countries, as I mentioned.

Why can't Swedes see the failure for what it is, as your King did, and sit up and try to rectify the situation rather than just deflect the failure to something totally different and feel that you are "great"? That's not gonna save lives, unfortunately.

I think you need to re read this before using the apple and pear argument... Ill just leave it at that..

By the way ... I do not believe that you really interact with any Swedes judging by your reply ...

Posted by: Grommet 26.Jan.2021, 06:53 AM

QUOTE (yonisan @ 26.Jan.2021, 07:47 AM) *
I think you need to re read this before using the apple and pear argument... Ill just leave it at that..

By the way ... I do not believe that you really interact with any Swedes judging by your reply ...

No one cares what you do or do not believe. You're so vein, you probably think this thread is about you.

Posted by: Angela 26.Jan.2021, 08:34 AM

QUOTE (yonisan @ 26.Jan.2021, 06:47 AM) *
I think you need to re read this before using the apple and pear argument... Ill just leave it at that..

By the way ... I do not believe that you really interact with any Swedes judging by your reply ...


Its because I lived and breathed with Swedes that I know I can't do it anymore. I worked and lived with Swedes, and 99% of the time, I was the only "outsider". I eventually "learnt" to just keep quiet, so as to not be a hypocrite and lie and agree just to be "included". My opinions, even though factual on most occasions, due to my having lived abroad in several countries, could never be "voiced". Nothing can ever be "better" than Sweden, but the truth of the matter is, very much IS better than Sweden. I never did, and never will conform to the "jantelagen". That is a system that pulls a culture down because you cannot face facts (like the Covid response), think for yourself or have different opinions, for fear of being "singled out".

I have met a few Swedes abroad, who, due to being abroad, had the ability to "open their eyes". Those Swedes, didn't want to move back!!! They strived to remain abroad as far as possible. One of them, that I still have contact with who had to move back (like me) went into a kind of depression, put on lots of weight, etc. She is better now, but I don't see the "spark" in her like before.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 26.Jan.2021, 12:17 PM

QUOTE (Martin565 @ 25.Jan.2021, 07:57 PM) *
We finally agree on something wmp are the filth of the filth, watch below yeah I was in my office and what of it?
https://youtu.be/Np_aTwwpfMw


Actually, bab, we've agreed on plenty of things in the past but you choose to focus on the negative interactions we've had.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 26.Jan.2021, 12:18 PM


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 26.Jan.2021, 12:19 PM

QUOTE (Yortis @ 25.Jan.2021, 09:35 PM) *
Swedish medical expertise and efficiency:


https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/sweden-gives-1-000-people-covid-19-shots-kept-at-wrong-temperature-101611325167704-amp.html


Tumble-weed blows past.

Posted by: TheExpatEagle 26.Jan.2021, 12:23 PM

QUOTE (Grommet @ 26.Jan.2021, 06:53 AM) *
No one cares what you do or do not believe. You're so vein, you probably think this thread is about you.


Jesus, you've sunk to a new low by quoting Carly Simon. Is that what all the scientists listen to in your lab?

The irony is you think people care what you think which is amusing. How about I join a forum for a country I've not been to in 20+ years, if at all, and try to speak about it and the people with authority? I can be as sad a loser as you are.


Posted by: TheExpatEagle 26.Jan.2021, 12:28 PM

QUOTE (Angela @ 26.Jan.2021, 08:34 AM) *
Its because I lived and breathed with Swedes that I know I can't do it anymore. I worked and lived with Swedes, and 99% of the time, I was the only "outsider". I eventually "learnt" to just keep quiet, so as to not be a hypocrite and lie and agree just to be "included". My opinions, even though factual on most occasions, due to my having lived abroad in several countries, could never be "voiced". Nothing can ever be "better" than Sweden, but the truth of the matter is, very much IS better than Sweden. I never did, and never will conform to the "jantelagen". That is a system that pulls a culture down because you cannot face facts (like the Covid response), think for yourself or have different opinions, for fear of being "singled out".

I have met a few Swedes abroad, who, due to being abroad, had the ability to "open their eyes". Those Swedes, didn't want to move back!!! They strived to remain abroad as far as possible. One of them, that I still have contact with who had to move back (like me) went into a kind of depression, put on lots of weight, etc. She is better now, but I don't see the "spark" in her like before.


Where did you live and work to think you were the only 'outsider'? Maybe that is the operative word, you thought you were?

As for meeting Swedes abroad, Jesus, you can say that about any national. I've met Americans who never want to go back and I'm a Brit who doesn't want to go back. Every country has that kind of person. Furthermore there are people who you meet who just want to be nice and agreeable.

People of all nationalities say nice things about where they are when they speak to local people. You play to the crowd, so to speak. We all moan about what we do, where we live, who we're with. It's human nature.


Posted by: Yortis 26.Jan.2021, 12:32 PM

QUOTE (Angela @ 26.Jan.2021, 08:34 AM) *
Its because I lived and breathed with Swedes that I know I can't do it anymore. I worked and lived with Swedes, and 99% of the time, I was the only "outsider". I eventually "learnt" to just keep quiet, so as to not be a hypocrite and lie and agree just to be "included". My opinions, even though factual on most occasions, due to my having lived abroad in several countries, could never be "voiced". Nothing can ever be "better" than Sweden, but the truth of the matter is, very much IS better than Sweden. I never did, and never will conform to the "jantelagen". That is a system that pulls a culture down because you cannot face facts (like the Covid response), think for yourself or have different opinions, for fear of being "singled out".

I have met a few Swedes abroad, who, due to being abroad, had the ability to "open their eyes". Those Swedes, didn't want to move back!!! They strived to remain abroad as far as possible. One of them, that I still have contact with who had to move back (like me) went into a kind of depression, put on lots of weight, etc. She is better now, but I don't see the "spark" in her like before.


Total articulate truth.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 26.Jan.2021, 04:30 PM

It is amusing that any post turns into rants about how bad Sweden is, written by people who believe in what they say about Sweden to be the Gospel truth...

None of it is true, it is only an opinion of what they believe the truth should be...

TheLocal is a fun place!!!

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