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Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 08:08 AM

Just creating this thread to give a discussion from another thread it’s own space... a lot said already but in attempt to bring it to its own I’ll start here...


The USA needs heavy gun law reform in order to make an impact on the crisis of mass shootings that occur in that country nearly every day.

It is truly heartbreaking that rather than focusing on how to fix this, people would rather stick to their guns even stronger...literally.
This type of mass violence should not be a partisan issue. We should all want gun control and safety for ourselves, our children and our neighbors.

The right wing conservatives seem to think that the solution to gun violence is more guns!

Why can’t gun ownership be limited to hunters and sport shooters... who can clearly prove that they are such

Posted by: Bsmith 6.Sep.2019, 01:05 PM

Interesting that you want to ban guns because of the actions of a few and yet say that we shouldn't judge Islam because of the actions of a few.

Posted by: cootje1976 6.Sep.2019, 01:29 PM

Guns in the Netherlands are strictly regulated, even though there are every once in a while shootings, but this is gang related. And those cretons get their guns from anywhere…
That being said, even though I hate guns, and I can’t understand why someone in the name of God needs an AK47 at home or an automatic pistol is beyond me. Since I have lived a couple of years in the US I do know how it can get if you ask people if they can put the gun away since there are children in the area, the Holy “second amendment” comes into play.

Most gunlovers in the US use that one, and it is their right to do so. Not that it cannot change though; the “second amendment” is an amendment based on the fact that there were a lot of things that they had to change in the course of time like slavery…. SO change is possible, but it will take time.

Most important is that it is not something that I being a Non-American should be concerned with. For one it is their country and their business. If they need more examples of why strict gun-laws are needed and work, they do not have to look too far. It is sad that the shootings are happening, but it is first and foremost their country. I usually reflect to it to the fact that in my home country we also have bigger fish to fry (every country has their issues!). Also the news about shootings and wars are for me now at such a level that it is becoming “white noise”.

That being said, I do feel for the people that are innocent bystanders and get caught in the fray of these events. I can’t even imagine what it is like to lose a loved one in a shooting, but it must be painful every time it happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

Meanwhile let us show them how we run shit without needing guns!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 02:36 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 6.Sep.2019, 02:05 PM) *
Interesting that you want to ban guns because of the actions of a few and yet say that we shouldn't judge Islam because of the actions of a few.



Not saying outright ban, nor have I been... I am saying massive gun law reform.

In an ideal world no one would have guns. No cops no military. Hunters could use bow and arrow... as many like to do.

But this isn’t an ideal world.

Our gun laws in the US could match many other countries who have hard regulations and strict laws regarding obtaining and owning guns.

Don’t see what is so hard about that or why there is resistance to that.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 02:41 PM

QUOTE (cootje1976 @ 6.Sep.2019, 02:29 PM) *
Guns in the Netherlands are strictly regulated, even though there are every once in a while shootings, but this is gang related. And those cretons get their guns from anywhere…
That being said, even though I hate guns, and I can’t understand why someone in the name of God needs an AK47 at home or an automatic pistol is beyond me. Since I have lived a couple of years in the US I do know how it can get if you ask people if they can put the gun away since there are children in the area, the Holy “second amendment” comes into play.

Most gunlovers in the US use that one, and it is their right to do so. Not that it cannot change though; the “second amendment” is an amendment based on the fact that there were a lot of things that they had to change in the course of time like slavery…. SO change is possible, but it will take time.

Most important is that it is not something that I being a Non-American should be concerned with. For one it is their country and their business. If they need more examples of why strict gun-laws are needed and work, they do not have to look too far. It is sad that the shootings are happening, but it is first and foremost their country. I usually reflect to it to the fact that in my home country we also have bigger fish to fry (every country has their issues!). Also the news about shootings and wars are for me now at such a level that it is becoming “white noise”.

That being said, I do feel for the people that are innocent bystanders and get caught in the fray of these events. I can’t even imagine what it is like to lose a loved one in a shooting, but it must be painful every time it happens.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_shootings_in_the_United_States

Meanwhile let us show them how we run shit without needing guns!


“White noise” lol. You sly dog you.

I feel for the kids growing up and going to school where they prepare them for someone coming in to kill all of them.

Netherlands is a shining example of proper gun regulation.
You are right, gangsters and psychos will always find guns and cause trouble.... in America we make it very easy for them to get weapons that inflict rapid and mass damage—-guns.

*shrugs shoulders

Posted by: Bsmith 6.Sep.2019, 04:18 PM

QUOTE (cootje1976 @ 6.Sep.2019, 01:29 PM) *
I can’t understand why someone in the name of God needs an AK47 at home or an automatic pistol is beyond me.



The reason why the second amendment is in the Constitution can be explained very easily when you take a look at what is going on in Hong Kong presently. Sooner or later the Chinese will clamp down hard on those people and there is isn't a damn thing that the citizens of HK will be able to do about it. Not with sticks and bricks.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 6.Sep.2019, 04:49 PM

The real problem with gun laws in the United States lies with the Politicians they lie and do not enforce Federal Laws at a state level, they use guns as an election prop for their own gain...

If violations were turned over to Federal prosecution, instead of under local law you would see immediate improvement and conviction of bad guys would immensely improve...

Use the Federal laws "on the books" and gun violence will fade away!!!


Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 06:25 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 6.Sep.2019, 05:49 PM) *
The real problem with gun laws in the United States lies with the Politicians they lie and do not enforce Federal Laws at a state level, they use guns as an election prop for their own gain...

If violations were turned over to Federal prosecution, instead of under local law you would see immediate improvement and conviction of bad guys would immensely improve...

Use the Federal laws "on the books" and gun violence will fade away!!!


I totally agree politicians use guns as an election prop...

It’s insane that 36 states do not require a license or for guns to be registered.

Hence the need for the federal govt to step in and have some massive gun law reform, ey?

Which federal laws... if enforced... would drop gun violence drastically? It will never be gone for good... but it can be drastically reduced.

I would support a national gun registry and banning the sale of guns to the formerly incarcerated, people with a history of mental illness, those convicted or even charged with domestic abuse... can’t think of more right now... but those would be some small steps in a better direction.

Oh and there was a law that expired in 2004 which banned the high capacity magazines and semi autos that look like fully autos... don’t know why that has been removed. Good thing they got rid of bump sticks as bsmith mentioned. Had no clue what that was.

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Posted by: skogsbo 6.Sep.2019, 07:02 PM

Bump sticks, modified mags etc are all extremely easy to make yourself and no doubt there are umpteen YouTube videos to assist.

The problem is it's too late. There are way too many guns, too much ammo, too many preppers with massive hoards and because of a lack legislation the authorities have absolutely no idea where the guns are.

Look at how the police have to deal with people when they pull them over in a car, every person is treated like a mass shooter.

I just find it odd anyone wants to live in that kind of society.

Posted by: Bsmith 6.Sep.2019, 08:39 PM

And I can't conceive of a society where a person cannot even carry pepper spray to defend themselves from possible rapists and thugs.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 6.Sep.2019, 09:52 PM

Believe me the laws are there, but at the Federal level the politicians holler for federal involvement that is already there, they should instead tell their own State legislators (which is them!!!) to turn cases over to federal prosecutors but if they did that they would have no platform to run on...

It's a damn shame people listen to those whores!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 10:07 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 6.Sep.2019, 09:39 PM) *
And I can't conceive of a society where a person cannot even carry pepper spray to defend themselves from possible rapists and thugs.


Sweden

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 6.Sep.2019, 10:52 PM) *
Believe me the laws are there, but at the Federal level the politicians holler for federal involvement that is already there, they should instead tell their own State legislators (which is them!!!) to turn cases over to federal prosecutors but if they did that they would have no platform to run on...

It's a damn shame people listen to those whores!!!


I agree it’s a damn shame.... however people power is most effective at the local level.

You are talking about prosecuting at a federal level.... regardless of state or federal jurisdiction.... you are still talking about AFTER the crime has been committed.

Preventative measures are needed. Gun law reform is needed even in your case where the feds need legislation for enforcement on a state level.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 6.Sep.2019, 10:28 PM

Shit Gamla.
I think I might agree with you...
at federal level prosecution a precedent can be set by which a law is formed....

Is this your thinking?

Posted by: skogsbo 7.Sep.2019, 06:32 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 6.Sep.2019, 08:39 PM) *
And I can't conceive of a society where a person cannot even carry pepper spray to defend themselves from possible rapists and thugs.

I guess that's where we differ. If I lived in a country where I felt that need, I'd move.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 7.Sep.2019, 07:49 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 7.Sep.2019, 07:32 AM) *
I guess that's where we differ. If I lived in a country where I felt that need, I'd move.


What a way to face up to the problems affecting your community.

Posted by: skogsbo 7.Sep.2019, 10:38 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 7.Sep.2019, 07:49 AM) *
What a way to face up to the problems affecting your community.

Well meaning sentiment won't get any legislation changed in the USA. So I'd just rather no move to country where people felt they need to be armed.

If sweden ended up going down that route, I'd have no issue in selling up and moving elsewhere.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 7.Sep.2019, 10:50 AM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 7.Sep.2019, 11:38 AM) *
Well meaning sentiment won't get any legislation changed in the USA. So I'd just rather no move to country where people felt they need to be armed.

If sweden ended up going down that route, I'd have no issue in selling up and moving elsewhere.



Uh? It does and it has.

And a large amount don’t feel the need to be armed and a large amount want things changed... they don’t just give up, give in and move away.

Posted by: Bsmith 7.Sep.2019, 12:06 PM

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 7.Sep.2019, 05:32 AM) *
I guess that's where we differ. If I lived in a country where I felt that need, I'd move.



Yes, we disagree on that point. I enjoy target shooting and use my .22 on varmints and have put down hogs with it when we raised them. As far as self defense goes, I feel better having guns but hope that I never have the need to use them. So far, in my 60 plus years of life (mostly in the US), I never have had to.

Posted by: skogsbo 7.Sep.2019, 07:22 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 7.Sep.2019, 12:06 PM) *

I'm ex British military, 20 plus years. I've been to less fun places where I've carried 24/7 For months on end. Now in sweden I've got a hunting licence and thus a weapon licence here. But if things every got bad enough for there to be school massacres annually, or a feeling of things not quite feeling right or safe (which I can judge reasonably well) etc. I'd been gone.

Yes I know the population is lower. So one massacre here every 50 years is arguably the same as annual in the USA.

Posted by: Bsmith 7.Sep.2019, 11:14 PM

I understand...but where to go? The town we live in currently has a low crime rate and is close to a bigger city where there are things to do but the crime rate there is higher. We are actually contemplating where we will move once I fully retire. We both want a place with a fairly low population and crime rate but enough population to have things to do and access to good medical care, etc. We have a few places in mind and are semi looking to get an idea of what is available for the $.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 10.Sep.2019, 07:43 PM

I think we could all agree that it would be nice for mass shootings and school shootings to be a thing of the past.

Like smoking cigarettes. When we look back and think how ridiculous it was for people to smoke anywhere and everywhere.

Posted by: Bsmith 10.Sep.2019, 11:02 PM

A better example would be alcohol. I enjoy drinking a cold beer from time to time, but there are people out there who cannot handle drinking and it ruins their and their families lives. Should alcohol therefore be banned because of the few who cannot control themselves?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 10.Sep.2019, 11:29 PM

Alcohol has been banned in many places including the USA and it does not work anywhere, over the centuries it has been banned several times in Sweden too...

I'm betting if it were to be banned again, a politician is guaranteed an election victory if he/she promised to lift that ban!!! rolleyes.gif laugh.gif

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 11.Sep.2019, 07:09 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 11.Sep.2019, 12:02 AM) *
A better example would be alcohol. I enjoy drinking a cold beer from time to time, but there are people out there who cannot handle drinking and it ruins their and their families lives. Should alcohol therefore be banned because of the few who cannot control themselves?



QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 11.Sep.2019, 12:29 AM) *
Alcohol has been banned in many places including the USA and it does not work anywhere, over the centuries it has been banned several times in Sweden too...

I'm betting if it were to be banned again, a politician is guaranteed an election victory if he/she promised to lift that ban!!! rolleyes.gif laugh.gif



You seem to be fixated on BAN, when no one speaks of a ban.

Alcohol was definitely regulated though. So you are right, let’s do the same with guns. Create legislation to regulate the sales and distribution, etc etc. Other than hurting themselves and their close ones, someone with an alcohol problem is most dangerous when they have a gun....

To your point of “a few who can’t control themselves”—- it’s not just a few.... but for those who can’t control themselves, talking about guns now, “the bad guys”—- why do we make it so easy for them to get gun? There will always be bad guys... we don’t need to make it easy for them to get guns. Plain and simple. If someone hasn’t controlled themselves in the past, alcohol problem, domestic abuse... they should t have access to guns.

There have been plenty of health and safety regulations implemented when humans realized things are dangerous... cars without seatbelts, smoking everywhere.

What’s amazing is that your kind seems to want mass shootings and school shootings to keep happening because you dont want to do anything about it. Some people say we need to help the mentally ill... well, yes, but we can also make it damn hard for them to buy or piece together a gun.

Look up the Netherlands gun laws... I don’t see why we can’t have the same regulation... and guess what... people still get guns!


Posted by: Saywhatwhat 11.Sep.2019, 07:44 AM

Let’s think of this... since you compare it to alcohol.

Someone is drinking alcohol on a bus...


Someone is shooting a gun on a bus...

See the difference?

If someone is smoking on the bus and people confront them... they may get burned or at the least smell like smoke... they won’t get smoked

Posted by: Bsmith 11.Sep.2019, 11:44 AM

What if it is the bus driver drinking alcohol and he/she crashes and kills 50 people?

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 11.Sep.2019, 03:03 PM

Guilty if he is carrying a gun!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 11.Sep.2019, 04:01 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 11.Sep.2019, 12:44 PM) *
What if it is the bus driver drinking alcohol and he/she crashes and kills 50 people?



A tragedy indeed and I hope preventative measures would be taken for that to not happen again, at least reduce the risk... a simple breathalyzer for bus drivers to start their vehicle would be great.

There has been a lot of effort to reduce traffic accident and drunk driving. Seatbelts for one, education, the need to register oneself and get a license after passing safety tests, in regards to alcohol- breathalyzers, random check points, open container laws (some states you need to drive with alcohol in trunk).

So yea, to go back to your point, new laws should go into place so a bus driver can’t jeopardize people’s safety by drunk driving... require breathalyzers to start the vehicle... that should go for all cars.

Posted by: Bsmith 12.Sep.2019, 12:32 PM

Now we have had another mass knifing: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2019/09/11/tallahassee-florida-stabbing/2284947001/


Time to ban all sharp knives!

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Sep.2019, 02:30 PM

Yes!!!

If we cannot ban the knives we will ban the sharpeners!!!

We'll show those "deplorables" whose the boss!!!

Posted by: Bsmith 12.Sep.2019, 03:40 PM

This guy sums it up very well for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Sep.2019, 04:25 PM

Boy are you way off base!!!

How can a person that tells the truth and uses common sense to describe a social problem, be believed...

That's definitely not the Liberal way!!!

They should ban people with common sense too!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 12.Sep.2019, 04:27 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 12.Sep.2019, 04:40 PM) *
This guy sums it up very well for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F6XTVuUP0Ho


I would love to ask this guy the question I will pose to you, since you seem to share in his belief...

The degradation of culture that he speaks of as being the culprit, the bad music, video games, social media, pornography, abortion (lol), the dissolving of family bonds as we retreat into our devices, etc.... the exposure to all this at a young age.... this is not unique to America and yet America has the highest death toll due to gun violence and mass/ school shootings. Why?

One thing that is obviously different, as a majority of the world knows, is that the gun laws are very loose.

Marilyn Manson toured Europe as well you know.

Posted by: Bsmith 12.Sep.2019, 10:57 PM

Violent movies are more the rage in the US than in Sweden. Swedes consider that kind of stuff to be pornographic and the stuff the we prudish Americans think of as pornographic...ie the naked human body, Swedes do not.

I tend to side with the Swedes.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 12.Sep.2019, 11:27 PM

What people conveniently do not mention is that the recent outbreak of violence is a relatively new social phenomenon...How convenient!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 13.Sep.2019, 07:32 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 12.Sep.2019, 11:57 PM) *
Violent movies are more the rage in the US than in Sweden. Swedes consider that kind of stuff to be pornographic and the stuff the we prudish Americans think of as pornographic...ie the naked human body, Swedes do not.

I tend to side with the Swedes.


Lol. Oh brother are you lost and reaching.

First of all, in the states there is a higher age restriction on R rated movies-17. In Sweden kids can see the same movie at 15.

I have personally seen two Quentin Tarantino movies in Sweden... they are not edited. When seeing Django I even commented to the person I went with that the audience seemed very young... this is when I found out that 15 yr olds can see those movies unaccompanied.

A very violent movie series, john wick, is shown in Sweden.... to younger kids.

Sweden also has some of the highest internet usage in the world... this means kids seeing all sorts of “bad influences”... they are still seeing all those violent movies... those movies which you now blame for gun violence.

Your resistance to massive gun law reform is what is keeping the ball rolling on the crisis of gun violence in America.

Change the laws like many many other nations and you will see a decrease in the violence.

You say you side with the Swedes, then side with them on their views of gun violence and laws implemented to curb such.

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 13.Sep.2019, 12:27 AM) *
What people conveniently do not mention is that the recent outbreak of violence is a relatively new social phenomenon...How convenient!!!


What are you talking about? Also lost and reaching.

People are most definitely acknowledging this is a relatively new phenomenon....

Hence the need for laws to change with the times.

Posted by: Bsmith 13.Sep.2019, 12:32 PM

Banning guns will not get them out of the hands of criminals anymore than banning drugs has worked. You are delusional if you think so. And any gun legislation making it more difficult for people to buy guns does nothing to address the millions of guns that are already out there unless you are talking about house to house confiscation and if it ever gets to that point, all is lost.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 14.Sep.2019, 09:01 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 13.Sep.2019, 01:32 PM) *
Banning guns will not get them out of the hands of criminals anymore than banning drugs has worked. You are delusional if you think so. And any gun legislation making it more difficult for people to buy guns does nothing to address the millions of guns that are already out there unless you are talking about house to house confiscation and if it ever gets to that point, all is lost.


Why are you fixated on “ban”? No one is saying that.

So wait... now is it drugs fault? I thought you sided with your buddy who summed it up so well for you blaming a culture that is worldwide... although his point was put out pretty quickly, gee I wish I could ask that fool the same question...

But then you scramble to say gun violence is due to violent movies... but that was put out pretty quick too...

Now you make some wild comparison of the war on drugs with the gun crisis.... after comparing guns to cars, guns to knives...

Since your “logic” is so scattered... let’s compare your idea of guns to the environment... I’ll start with a quote by none other than YOU
“You just have to do what you can. If we all adopt that attitude, a difference can be made”

Exactly, bsmith, so creating gun legislation is doing what we can to stop the ball rolling forward.... just like the environment. What a shame that you have adopted a “fuck it let’s do nothing” attitude. It’s too far gone so just let it keep going?

Door to door confiscation... you have such extremist views. Maybe a door to door registry. Buy backs round up some guns. And yes new legislation would keep people from buying more and more. The recent random mass shootings and school shootings use guns that were recently bought online or through stores legally. They aren’t guns traded on the black market. And of many of the past shootings where guns were bought legally... they were sold to people who had a documented history of mental health issues....

There is a simple piece of legislation we could use... don’t sell guns to people with a history of mental illness. That’s like buying LED lights.

But hey... why do anything?

The clutching to guns that people think makes them Uber American really perpetuates the image of a dumb American around the world.

The attitude which you and many have adopted does nothing but keep the gun crisis and violence going.

Legislation protecting the environment works so legislation protecting people from gun violence will work. You are delusional if you don’t think so.

Model our gun laws after the Netherlands, or many many many many other countries who don’t have the amount of gun violence like we do in the states.

Because
Clearly
It
Works

Posted by: Gjeebes 14.Sep.2019, 09:37 AM

"Banning guns will not get them out of the hands of criminals"

Nonsense. Many of the crimes committed in the US are by people who obtain fully automatic assault rifles, legally. School shootings, mass shootings, etc.

Just look at Canada. Can't get hand-guns, can't obtain fully automatic assault rifles. Then compare the per capita gun crime between the US and Canada. You will quickly see your straw-man argument falls apart.

Toronto right now, for the past couple years, has seen a surge in gun crime. 5-6 shootings now on a single weekend. Previously unheard of. Guns smuggled in through the US, and used by US gangs that have been established in TO.

And arming citizens with hand-guns would mean nothing, since mostly these inbred ignorant and uneducated shits are simply killing each other for drug turf.

Canadians have loads of long guns, I think even more per capita than you Yanks, but gun crime in Canada is far, far lower, than in the US.

Now just why do you think that is?

Sure it's true that guns don't kill people, that people kill people. But in the US, if guns were much less easy to obtain, and MUGH more restricted and less available, then people who are killing people, wouldn't be using guns.

Personally, I'd be much happier to face assault by knife, or pretty much any other weapon, than by gun.

Posted by: Bsmith 14.Sep.2019, 10:29 AM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 6.Sep.2019, 05:31 AM) *
How about we ban guns PERMANENTLY rather than subject our children to that environment... they already have to go through shooting drills.



QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 14.Sep.2019, 08:01 AM) *
Why are you fixated on “ban”? No one is saying that.



What, a Freudian slip?

Posted by: Bsmith 14.Sep.2019, 10:31 AM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 14.Sep.2019, 08:37 AM) *
Just look at Canada. Can't get hand-guns, can't obtain fully automatic assault rifles.



You cannot legally buy fully automatic weapons in the US, either.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 14.Sep.2019, 11:20 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 14.Sep.2019, 11:29 AM) *
What, a Freudian slip?



QUOTE (Bsmith @ 14.Sep.2019, 11:31 AM) *
You cannot legally buy fully automatic weapons in the US, either.



Seems like you are out of steam.

Yes, I would personally love to see all guns in the world magically disappear...

I have clearly stated over and over that ideal scenario is not realistic. I have clearly stated over and over that what needs to happen is massive gun law reform.

I clearly stated in my previous post that what is needed is gun law reform modeled after many other countries who have guns but not the violence to the extent America does. I clearly
stated a simple piece of legislation such as not selling guns to people with documented mental health issues would be a good start.

Why is it you want to do nothing to stop an obvious American crisis? With an obvious correlation between our loose gun laws and death toll due to gun violence.

You adopt a “fuck it” attitude with gun violence but a “we need to do what we can” for the environment. What’s up with that? People who deny that anything can be done to help the environment perpetuate the problem, don’t they? Same with gun violence.

Posted by: Gjeebes 14.Sep.2019, 02:09 PM

"You cannot legally buy fully automatic weapons in the US, either."

Yep you can. There are apparently 630,000 fully automatic machine guns in the hands of civilians, in the good ole us of A.

You can even have it mounted on your replica Vietnam era jeep, should you be literate enough to fill in the paperwork. Takes about a year to get one. Google it. ATF. 1986 and so on.

You can also buy tanks in one state, and the shells for them in another. That's why when one of your fine Amuricuhn fellows drove a tank into the centre of some TexMex "Spicy" spice town, then were wondering if the chamber was loaded too...next you'll tell me that didn't happen...

But as usual, BSmith, you have nothing to say, about anything.

If you don't cherry-pick a spelling error, whilst ignoring in totality the contents, you come up with other inventive ways, to essentially, say, nothing.

Posted by: Bsmith 14.Sep.2019, 02:39 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 14.Sep.2019, 10:20 AM) *
Why is it you want to do nothing to stop an obvious American crisis? With an obvious correlation between our loose gun laws and death toll due to gun violence.



I didn't say I want to do nothing, but what you are proposing is just political hijinks and will not solve the problem.

For example, I am concerned with the Islamic terrorism crisis in America. Using your logic, the US government should enact strict Islamic immigration standards and background checks on all Muslims who are currently living or wish to live in the US. The US should adopt the same Islamic immigration policy as Japan has. Is that something you would be in favor of?

Posted by: Bsmith 14.Sep.2019, 02:42 PM

QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 14.Sep.2019, 01:09 PM) *
Yep you can. There are apparently 630,000 fully automatic machine guns in the hands of civilians, in the good ole us of A.


Have any of these 630, 000 fully automatic machine guns that are in the hands of civilians been used in any mass shootings or other acts of violence? Certainly not to my knowledge. I guess your point is moot.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 14.Sep.2019, 04:41 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 14.Sep.2019, 03:39 PM) *
I didn't say I want to do nothing, but what you are proposing is just political hijinks and will not solve the problem.

For example, I am concerned with the Islamic terrorism crisis in America. Using your logic, the US government should enact strict Islamic immigration standards and background checks on all Muslims who are currently living or wish to live in the US. The US should adopt the same Islamic immigration policy as Japan has. Is that something you would be in favor of?


Oh boy, like a little worm squirming away from the issue.

First off, there isn’t a crisis of Islamic terrorism happening in America. The majority of terrorism happening in America is far right extremism. Are you daft?

“According to a 2017 report by the U.S. Government Accountability Office, "of the 85 violent extremist incidents that resulted in death since September 12, 2001, Far-right politics violent extremist groups were responsible for 62 (73 percent) while radical Islamist violent extremists were responsible for 23 (27 percent).”

The terrorism taking place in America is the random mass/ school shootings largely carried out by white male conservatives.

America needs massive gun law reform to curb the violence. There are many free countries where people still have guns but nor the death toll. Gun law reform works. There are many examples to follow.

Posted by: Bsmith 14.Sep.2019, 11:22 PM

And there isn't a gun crisis in America, either. The top 10 causes of death in the US are: heart disease, cancer, accidental injuries, chronic lower respiratory diseases, stroke, Alzheimer disease, diabetes, influenza and pneumonia, kidney disease, and suicide. This does not even factor in the most common cause of death in America which is abortion. In 2015, the most recent year for which data is available, a total of 638,169 abortions were reported. Far, far away much more of a crisis than mass shootings of which the total so far is 313.

You seem to cherry pick your "crisises".

Posted by: Gjeebes 15.Sep.2019, 04:36 AM

Gun homicide rate in the US is 25 times that of other high income countries.

"Access to a gun increases the risk of death by homicide by two times"


So ya, BSmith is right, the US does NOT seem to have a gun problem.


https://everytownresearch.org/gun-violence-america/


Oh, and ONLY 313 mass shootings. Lookin good USA, lookin good.

Posted by: Bsmith 15.Sep.2019, 11:55 AM

Yes, I get it Gjeebes, you don´t like America much. You didn´t care for Sweden as well. Hopefully you have now found a place to your liking.

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 15.Sep.2019, 02:54 PM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 15.Sep.2019, 12:22 AM) *
And there isn't a gun crisis in America, either. The top 10 causes of death in the US are: heart disease, cancer, accidental injuries, chronic lower respiratory diseases, stroke, Alzheimer disease, diabetes, influenza and pneumonia, kidney disease, and suicide. This does not even factor in the most common cause of death in America which is abortion. In 2015, the most recent year for which data is available, a total of 638,169 abortions were reported. Far, far away much more of a crisis than mass shootings of which the total so far is 313.

You seem to cherry pick your "crisises".


Cherry pick crisEs? We have been debating gun laws for 4 pages in a thread created to talk about gun laws in America with gun laws two times in the title.


QUOTE (Bsmith @ 15.Sep.2019, 12:55 PM) *
Yes, I get it Gjeebes, you don´t like America much. You didn´t care for Sweden as well. Hopefully you have now found a place to your liking.


Why do you think they don’t like America? They haven’t said anything of the sort.

It seems more that you don’t like America because you keep your head buried in the sand about the need for gun law reform. Take a look at the many many fine examples of countries whose gun policies allow people to own guns but have a vastly lower death toll due to gun violence.

America can greatly reduce the amount of gun violence and mass/ school shootings through massive gun law reform.

Posted by: Bsmith 15.Sep.2019, 03:45 PM

QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 15.Sep.2019, 01:54 PM) *
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America can greatly reduce the amount of gun violence and mass/ school shootings through massive gun law reform.



Yes, it can with actual security and this can be accomplished immediately.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 15.Sep.2019, 03:51 PM

The best way to stop gun violence is to vote Democrat...

Beto O'Rourke for President!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 15.Sep.2019, 04:20 PM

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 15.Sep.2019, 04:51 PM) *
The best way to stop gun violence is to vote Democrat...

Beto O'Rourke for President!!!



It shouldn’t be, nor be seen as a partisan issue.

Posted by: Gjeebes 15.Sep.2019, 05:22 PM

"Yes, I get it Gjeebes, you don´t like America much. You didn´t care for Sweden as well. Hopefully you have now found a place to your liking."

Not true. Have had some great times in the US. Met some nice people too. Fabulous geography as well.

I am just not going to pretend their aren't massive and serious problems there, pre-Trumpty-Dumpty. And I found some of the comments here seem to gloss over real issues with pretty weak arguments.

Canada and the US have totally different histories. We didn't have niggers, nor slaves etc. I would say though that our treatment (i.e. by the Canadian and English govt's) of Native peoples equates to a mild form of Apartheid.

We are dealing with that legacy to this day, as do yous with mistakes of your govt's past. The gun laws you swear by were written during times of civil war, and are now archaic and not fit for purpose; currently totally exaggerated by powerful lobby groups like the NRA, for profit.

Thankfully that is a problem Canada doesn't have, nor any other civilised country, at least to my knowledge.

Posted by: Bsmith 15.Sep.2019, 06:01 PM

The Constitution was written in 1787, about 100 years before the Civil War.

Posted by: Gamla Hälsingebock 17.Sep.2019, 10:24 PM

Three countries have gun possession in their constitutions, the US has the strongest wording for possession by the people...

Politicians can almost at will; in other countries dictate to citizens what rights
THEY, the politicians...will allow them to have!!!

Posted by: Saywhatwhat 18.Sep.2019, 07:23 AM

QUOTE (Bsmith @ 15.Sep.2019, 07:01 PM) *
The Constitution was written in 1787, about 100 years before the Civil War.


One can easily say that the conflicts leading up to the constitution were civil disputes/ civil war. Besides Gjeebes said civil war... not The Civil War.

QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 17.Sep.2019, 11:24 PM) *
Three countries have gun possession in their constitutions, the US has the strongest wording for possession by the people...

Politicians can almost at will; in other countries dictate to citizens what rights
THEY, the politicians...will allow them to have!!!


Are you implying the logical fallacy of a slippery slope?

Or are you just describing a republic?

You get a “D” in social studies.

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