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Sweden tops EU in growth

Thanks to immigration

gsurya
post 11.Feb.2019, 06:50 PM
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This is from last year, before the elections, but is now even more relevant now that the racist bigoted anti-immigrant SweNazi party SD have been decisively marginalized.

The Swedish Govt must now push forward even more boldly in bringing in more high-quality immigrants to offset lazy locals so that Sweden can afford to keep its pensioners well taken care of

We need more lenient and welcoming immigration policies like Canada, USA, UK, NZ, Australia, France and Sweden, who are faring much better in immigration than Sweden.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/201...t-from-migrants
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Gjeebes
post 11.Feb.2019, 07:23 PM
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How many of the New Country people, are working in Sweden? What percentage?

And why is the unemployment rate for foreigners 3-4 times that of the natives?

Don't think there are quite as many tax kronor coming from the fugees, but, please, with facts, prove me wrong.
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Bsmith
post 11.Feb.2019, 08:09 PM
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Does a malignant tumor count as growth?
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Saywhatwhat
post 11.Feb.2019, 08:26 PM
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QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 11.Feb.2019, 07:23 PM) *
How many of the New Country people, are working in Sweden? What percentage?And why is the unemployment rate for foreigners 3-4 times that of the natives?Don't think there ... (show full quote)


480,000. 80%

Lack of jobs- an aging population that has already taken and held onto, some quite undeservingly, many of the jobs available in the small cities- Stockholm, Gothenburg, Malmo. Lack of trust of foreign credentials, lack of incentive to work, lack of trust in foreigners.

Facts... ahh yes, the info that only you and those you agree with only seem privi’ed to. No one with a different opinion could possibly have facts. Obviously the article gsurya posted was fake news and full of made up numbers.

I’m curious, what is your ideal country?? What country is doing “it” the best?

Does it hurt to hear immigrants and refugees aren’t destroying the world, rather, making it better?


QUOTE (Bsmith @ 11.Feb.2019, 08:09 PM) *
Does a malignant tumor count as growth?


How flippant to the point.

Does it hurt to hear immigrants and refugees aren’t destroying the world, rather, making it better?
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wallace1837
post 12.Feb.2019, 03:36 AM
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QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 11.Feb.2019, 07:23 PM) *
How many of the New Country people, are working in Sweden? What percentage?And why is the unemployment rate for foreigners 3-4 times that of the natives?Don't think there ... (show full quote)


You are right...

Here are some number. Foreign educated people are close to 3 times more likely to not be employed than Swedes with the same level of education https://stats.oecd.org/Index.aspx?DataSetCo...G_EMP_EDUCATION

https://www.thelocal.se/20180614/swedish-un...-a-tougher-time

Employment rate of refugees after years in Sweden only one if 5 men and one in 10 women: http://www.nordregio.org/nordregio-magazin...gees-in-sweden/
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Gjeebes
post 12.Feb.2019, 04:29 AM
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"480,000. 80%"

Amazing! Why didn't you make it an even 500,000, since you're just pulling numbers out of your ass?
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Gjeebes
post 12.Feb.2019, 04:32 AM
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"Foreign educated people are close to 3 times more likely to not be employed than Swedes with the same level of education"

Sweden considers you employed, when you are unemployed, if you are taking the slightest course or on one of their useless programmes...I would think if they are claiming 3x, it's more likely 5-6x in reality.

If Sweden is good at one thing, it is making the nothingness look like success.
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Saywhatwhat
post 12.Feb.2019, 07:33 AM
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QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 12.Feb.2019, 04:29 AM) *
"480,000. 80%". Amazing! Why didn't you make it an even 500,000, since you're just pulling numbers out of your ass?


It’s in the posted article. Oh but that’s right, only what drives your narrative are facts. It’s not like 80% of 600k is... well what is it?
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Saywhatwhat
post 12.Feb.2019, 07:34 AM
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QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 12.Feb.2019, 04:32 AM) *
"Foreign educated people are close to 3 times more likely to not be employed than Swedes with the same level of education"Sweden considers you employed, when you are ... (show full quote)


Do you have facts for this?
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Saywhatwhat
post 12.Feb.2019, 07:44 AM
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QUOTE (wallace1837 @ 12.Feb.2019, 03:36 AM) *
Employment rate of refugees after years in Sweden only one if 5 men and one in 10 women: http://www.nordregio.org/nordregio-magazin...gees-in-sweden/


That figure is after one or two years... as stated in that article. It is misleading when you simply say, “years”

That was a fair and sympathetic article.
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Billy_UK
post 12.Feb.2019, 12:50 PM
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Data from 2000-2016 showed it took eight years for half of refugees who arrived during that period to gain employment. 65% were in employment after 16 years. Data also shows it takes longer for those with lower education levels to gain employment. You won’t get any data for the newest arrivals for at least ten years but bearing in mind their education levels (which for the majority is below gymnasium level) and previous data it’s not hard to see what the numbers will look like in the future.

https://www.ekonomifakta.se/Fakta/Arbetsmar...tbildningsniva/

The growth of the economy was/is due to strong exports and strong consumption, not refugees/immigrants entering the labour market. There’s even a link to an article in that Bloomberg piece where the reasons given for the growth were exports and consumption. Several hundred thousands of refugees living off government handouts and spending is going to increase consumption.
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Saywhatwhat
post 12.Feb.2019, 04:25 PM
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QUOTE (Billy_UK @ 12.Feb.2019, 12:50 PM) *
You won’t get any data for the newest arrivals for at least ten years...https://www.ekonomifakta.se/Fakta/Arbetsmar...tbildningsniva/The growth of the economy was/is due to ... (show full quote)


There was not extensive data in the original article posted but there was data.

And increased consumption boosts the economy. Why had the consumption increased? Oh, right, immigrants and refugees spending money... not all govt handouts. The economy grows, businesses are healthier, employees salaries raise...

Seems more like an investment to me... one that has historically paid off. Invest in immigrants and there is a return. Usually in the long term, it this article is focusing on short term growth... due to...
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gsurya
post 12.Feb.2019, 04:38 PM
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Its a fact in all countries that immigration is costly up-front but pays off in the long run.

Of course the state has to make an investment in getting immigrants up to speed, integrated, employed etc.

Overall it is well proven that the investments made in immigrants is never wasted, it only has positive benefits for countries like Sweden, that is why it is so popular and countries are fiercely competing for us immigrants.
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Billy_UK
post 12.Feb.2019, 04:42 PM
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QUOTE (Saywhatwhat @ 12.Feb.2019, 04:25 PM) *
There was not extensive data in the original article posted but there was data.And increased consumption boosts the economy. Why had the consumption increased? Oh, right, immi ... (show full quote)


Obviously immigrants on work permits isn’t government handouts. The majority of refugee consumption will be government handouts because the majority of those are unemployed. The refugee influx will have also created extra jobs in schools, hospitals, government agencies etc. That again would’ve contributed to the growth of the economy. That’s an entirely different thing to refugees/immigrants being employed.

As for being a good investment, a study that looked at refugees in Sweden over a 32 year period has shown that over their lifetimes refugees are a net cost of 74,000 kronor per year per refugee, once you’ve factored in what they pay in tax and what they take out in benefits.

https://www.svd.se/tre-miljoner-kronor-per-flykting
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skogsbo
post 12.Feb.2019, 04:51 PM
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QUOTE (Billy_UK @ 12.Feb.2019, 03:42 PM) *
Obviously immigrants on work permits isn’t government handouts. The majority of refugee consumption will be government handouts because the majority of those are unemployed. ... (show full quote)


The problem is sweden needs to up it's game and follow the USA or UK model. It needs to offset the cost and sell more weapons that cause the wars in the countries the refugees flee from.
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