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Energy consumption in Sweden

Sweden in world top 10 for electricity use

Hopgood
post 9.Sep.2019, 08:49 AM
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So Sweden has a reputation for being environmentally enlightened, right? People are into recycling, Greta is helping us save the planet one boat ride at a time and the Green Party does fairly well in elections.

But did you know, Sweden is in the top 10 for electricity consumption per household in the whole world? Shocking, right?

The world energy council publishes figures here: https://wec-indicators.enerdata.net/househo...ricity-use.html

The top positions are all occupied by the richest countries with the most extreme climates. Qatar. Saudi, etc are obviously spending a lot on air con and here in the north, Sweden, Finland and Norway all feature. There are plenty of other very hot and very cold countries in the world, but it’s the ones with money who are using the most electricity per household. No surprise there then, but it does suggest that a lot of this consumption is unnecessary, ie. it results from people being able to afford the convenience of having their appliances on.

What’s your annual electricity consumption and is that for a house (big, medium or small) or apartment (big, medium, small)? Have you increased or reduced your consumption over the past five years - and if you don’t know, are you really making enough effort to reduce consumption?

Why not log on to your electricity supplier website and find out some of these answers and as we head towards winter, maybe you can find ways to reduce your electricity bill? If enough people have this on their mind, maybe sweden won’t be embarrassingly amongst the top ten consumers of electricity on a per household basis in the future.
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Bsmith
post 9.Sep.2019, 12:01 PM
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"Why not log on to your electricity supplier website and find out some of these answers...


But that would require electricity.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 9.Sep.2019, 01:54 PM
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Who cares, life is only temporary enjoy it while you can...
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skogsbo
post 9.Sep.2019, 04:36 PM
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It's not what you use but how's it is produced that causes the pollution.
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skogsbo
post 9.Sep.2019, 04:39 PM
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Also if everyone travelled by train, tram, under ground, electric car or bike, then per capita use looks high, but what you've done is eliminate a lot of fossil fuels.

As with all stats it's the detail that matters.

Ps. Technically Greta didn't save anything. Two crew that she and her assistant replaced on the boat had to be flown out to new York to continue sailing the boat where ever it went. So technically she increased emmissions by two flights worth, or she could have just flown herself. Clever but utterly pointless PR.
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Hopgood
post 9.Sep.2019, 05:05 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 9.Sep.2019, 02:54 PM) *
Who cares, life is only temporary enjoy it while you can...


It’s a good point, and one I agree with as it happens - my world view is that listening / reading the news often pointlessly raises anxiety levels and the best approach to life is to appreciate the small things and take your enjoyment where you find it.

BUT nevertheless, environmental issues do concern me and if you look past the noise of vested interests and fake news there is plenty to reason to think that we - all of us - should be taking action to reduce our consumption. Extreme weather is happening with increasing frequency and the rain this summer in Sweden was frequently “monsoon rain” rather than the more common summer showers of only a few years ago.

Even if you want to shed all responsibility for your carbon footprint and, from the environmental point of view, you might leave your patio heater on full 24/7, there is still a compelling argument that cutting your electricity consumption has a positive effect on your financial well being. Every kWh you don’t use at home is more than a krona which remains in your bank account at the end of the month. In the last 4 years I’ve cut my household consumption from 11,300kWh per year to 6,500 kWh per year, and I’m looking to hit 5,500 in the next year.

Only by being aware of your consumption level and challenging yourself to improve (reduce it) can you motivate yourself to make the changes needed. And on a macro level, what a difference it would make to Sweden’s standing in the World Energy Council tables if everyone stepped up to the mark.

QUOTE (skogsbo @ 9.Sep.2019, 05:39 PM) *
Also if everyone travelled by train, tram, under ground, electric car or bike, then per capita use looks high, but what you've done is eliminate a lot of fossil fuels. As ... (show full quote)


Yes I agree, tables and statistics don’t tell the whole story. But being in the top ten in the whole world for per household consumption does demonstrate there’s plenty of scope to improve. And Greta is young, I’m sure she is far from infallible, but her contribution should be judged not only on her own carbon footprint but the effect she has in motivating others to improve theirs.
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skogsbo
post 9.Sep.2019, 05:09 PM
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Household? How many people? What's counted or not counted? Travel? Heating? Which is often communal. When 80% of Sweden's standard supply is from non carbon sources, they might pollute less despite being further up the table?

Greta.. Yeah trump will listen to her won't he?
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Bsmith
post 9.Sep.2019, 07:39 PM
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The only way to leave no carbon footprint is to die...and your burial and/or cremation will still use energy and produce carbon. Unless you can find a way to be composted.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 9.Sep.2019, 09:50 PM
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The weather on this planet has been changing back and forth for billions of years and billions before mankind was present...

The Earth was covered in ice that was miles thick for millions of years...

We recently had an ice age, (in geographical time) and the ice was made of water from the oceans so the shorelines receded, now it's melting and the shorelines are going under water...We built cities as close to the shore as we could get, we filled in marshlands/wetlands for fancy ocean/water view homes, there are places in New Orleans, La USA that you can stand in a street and look up and see ships passing by in a canal !!!

We will now pay the price for being foolish...ice melts...water rises...we move inland...it's that simple!!!

About energy usage, that's simple too...waste not want not, works...
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Bsmith
post 9.Sep.2019, 11:08 PM
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I think you are oversimplifying a bit, Gamla. If the average Earth temperature rises a few degrees and the oceans by a few feet, there is going to be a lot of human suffering. We all need to do our part to preserve our home and leave something behind for the next generation. Will it be enough? Time will tell.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 10.Sep.2019, 01:47 AM
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What I am trying to say is it is not human activity that is causing this to happen...

It's natural and our contribution is not all that important, to be thrifty, recycle and all that good stuff is fine but it won't solve what will occur naturally...

The orbit of the Earth also comes into play here it can be closer or farther away from the Sun...Can we change that???...Will we want to???

Be thrifty, move inland and remember...If Noah can do it so can we!!! rolleyes.gif

Remember this every place on land where you find oil, used to be the bottom of a sea!!!

Isn't there/wasn't a soap opera called The Changing World??? laugh.gif
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skogsbo
post 10.Sep.2019, 05:55 AM
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Gamla. The earth rotates once a day, it takes a year to do a full lap of the sun. Solar cycles(spots, flares, cme...) usually go from peak to peak in around 11 or 12years.

Glaciation, we are currently in an inter glacial period. These last tens of thousands of years and temps creep up and down measured by a change of less than a 1c per century.

The last hottest 15years ever recorded have all been in the last 20 years. We can also measure gas content in the air from glacial ice cores, these are peaking now too.

We can't blame any form of solar cycles or glaciation. It's our fault. The longer we deny it, the bigger the problem becomes.

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joshr
post 10.Sep.2019, 06:04 AM
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QUOTE (Hopgood @ 9.Sep.2019, 08:49 AM) *
But did you know, Sweden is in the top 10 for electricity consumption per household in the whole world? Shocking, right?

Not really. We live in a developed country in a Northern climate. There's a lot of heating going on here that is un-needed in the more temperate climates.

You also notice that average usage is down about 20% over the last 10 years, whereas other countries continue to expand.
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skogsbo
post 10.Sep.2019, 06:51 AM
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It's also additionally misleading as in many countries like the UK homes are heated with individual gas boilers, so their leckie use can look low compared to how much carbon they really pump out.
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gsurya
post 10.Sep.2019, 10:30 AM
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What is so surprising about this? All the northernmost countries are there - naturally need more electricity consumption.

Several oil-rich Middle East countries are there too - there they need to use airconditioning throughout the year.

The difference is that Sweden also has one of the highest % of renewable electricity usage in the world - eventually that is the main statistic that matters.
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