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The Referendum - Vote to Leave the EU!

Footballers & Ex Pats - what happens next

Gamla Hälsingebock
post 30.Jun.2016, 11:42 PM
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England is leaving the EU...not Scotland...So the existing ties will still apply...Right???
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LLHope
post 1.Jul.2016, 07:47 AM
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Location: Stockholm
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 30.Jun.2016, 10:42 PM) *
England is leaving the EU...not Scotland...So the existing ties will still apply...Right???
One of the statements from the Leader of SNP that really made me laugh was when she said that Scotland could continue in the EU if England and Wales left the UK biggrin.gif
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Hisingen
post 1.Jul.2016, 01:02 PM
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The sturgeon looks and sounds more like a merkel with every passing day. Both have problems, wanting to be top dog, the one getting pretty close, the other more like a little puppy. Makes you wonder how things will end. Add to that there is another wanting to be top dog in the UK, now that Bojo has been stabbed in the back by the Gove. 'May' we see a new Maggy in due course or what?? Corbyn is taking a lot of flak from (almost) all quarters, so a change is llkely there, too.
All in all, the Brexit has put the cat well and truly among the pigeons - and the budgies, and the canaries.
Now the French are saying that the UK may be looked upon somewhat more favourably - in contrast to what the EUSSR fat cats are saying.
I was in favour of a Bexit, but what is happening as a result was clearly something not really expected.
A Eurupheaval and no mistake, with the ripples spreading far and wide. Not exactly a storm in a teacup.
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Kari
post 7.Jul.2016, 01:01 AM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 30.Jun.2016, 05:04 PM) *
Oops!, missed that bit ... YES!. Whilst the EU gang say the fundamental Freedoms are not negotiable ... Everyone seems to forget that little tiny place called Liechten ... (show full quote)

Maybe Liechtenstein has exceptions b/c it is such a small country.

Let't compare with Switzerland instead. Switzerland is not a member of EU and not of EEA either. But they are a part of Schengen. They have a special treaty (similar to the EEA-countries Norway and Iceland). But Switzerland had a referendum too, in 2014. People voted against the free movement of labour.
Now a new treaty has to be made. And nothing seems to happen, though it has passed over two years. Will the treaty between EU and UK take such a long time too?

QUOTE ("BBC")
Switzerland has signed up to free movement of people, with all the benefits that implies for workers and their families from the EU, and to Schengen open borders, all without ever being at the negotiating table at which those policies were drafted.
Switzerland contributes billions of dollars to EU projects on research, education, culture and security. The Swiss even paid 1.3bn Swiss francs (€1.18bn; £910m) to the EU enlargement fund, designed to support new members from Eastern Europe.
http://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35615604

And about Erasmus after the Swiss referendum:
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Swiss universities were blocked from European research projects. Swiss students were denied access to the Erasmus exchange programme.
"Being kicked out of that scheme represents a real handicap," says Andreas Mortensen, Vice-Provost of Switzerland's prestigious Federal Institute of Technology in Lausanne.
"As a researcher, you would certainly rather want to remain within the EU. The benefits from being part of the EU research community are the intellectual oomph and the opportunities for collaboration."
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In the end the Swiss government solved Zilia Schwartz's problem by throwing money at it, paying each European university separately to admit Swiss students.
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Hisingen
post 7.Jul.2016, 10:05 AM
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QUOTE (Kari @ 7.Jul.2016, 12:01 AM) *
- - - -. . Will the treaty between EU and UK take such a long time too?

Don't you know?

And we all thought that you were the 'expert' on everything!

tongue.gif
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Kari
post 7.Jul.2016, 02:15 PM
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QUOTE (Savage @ 7.Jul.2016, 11:33 AM) *
What?Seriously, you can not have a discussion where you look to favour the odds of your argument by bringing in useless comparisons to try and justify your view.Switzerland ha ... (show full quote)

Well, Switzerland is more similar to UK than Liechtenstein. And I've read on this forum that UKutside would have it asgood as another non-EU-country like prosperous Switzerland. And I did not read anything about trolling then. Even BBC writes about Switzerland in connection with the Brexit referendum. Are they trolling too?

Accusing anyone who has different points of view for trolling is very bad argumention. You could have refrained from such outbursts, then I would take your arguments more seriously. Now I see you as someone who really hates arguments or questions from certain people you've decided to dislike.

Maybe Switzerland has to wait for the treaty EU-UK to be accomplished and not the other way around. Then they will have to wait two, maybe three more years. By then, they may have another referendum.
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LLHope
post 8.Jul.2016, 09:04 AM
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QUOTE (Kari @ 7.Jul.2016, 12:01 AM) *
Maybe Liechtenstein has exceptions b/c it is such a small country.
The point not being the size of Liechtenstein or any other state, but rather the fact that the Freedom of Movement can indeed be negotiated. At the end of the day, if the EU doesn't want to negotiate it then the negotiations will be extremely quick, UK exit fast, and everyone can get on with business one way or another. Not having Freedom of Movement does not stop access to the market.

QUOTE (Kari @ 7.Jul.2016, 12:01 AM) *
And about Erasmus after the Swiss referendum:
Complain to the EU Commission, and your MEPs (if you know who they are?), at least Switzerland has put in place measures to continue to fund Swiss students being educated in Europe, but the EU would rather use their education as a bargaining chip. Isn't this organisation you claim keeps the peace by trade yet issues threats and intimidation to get it's way! (and I wont mention how they broke encouraged minor conflicts in Yugoslavia in order to get support for independence and a corridor to the Adriatic, nor how they have just released info about how Aid money will be made available to fund military actions in Africa!)

The closing words go to a man of wisdom:

"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders to re-create the Soviet Union in Western Europe." Mikhail Gorbachev, former president of the USSR.
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Hisingen
post 8.Jul.2016, 12:07 PM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 8.Jul.2016, 08:04 AM) *
- - - -The closing words go to a man of wisdom:"The most puzzling development in politics during the last decade is the apparent determination of Western European leaders ... (show full quote)

Totally wasted on little kari, who cannot see the wood for the trees.
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Kari
post 12.Jul.2016, 01:51 AM
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QUOTE (LLHope @ 8.Jul.2016, 10:04 AM) *
The point not being the size of Liechtenstein or any other state, but rather the fact that the Freedom of Movement can indeed be negotiated. At the end of the day, if the EU d ... (show full quote)

I don't understand what you mean by "quick". If it took over 3 years for little Greenland, why would it be any quicker for big UK?

You think that UK can get a treaty with EU without the clause of Free Movement of people. Why would EU agree to that? B/c EU (27 states) needs UK more than the other way around? Sounds a bit arrogant to me, though you may be right, I just don't understand how you can be so cocksure.

Seems Brexit means bad news for Switzerland:
QUOTE ("Financial Times")
But the timing of the UK vote was bad for Switzerland. A three-year deadline for implementing the 2014 referendum result expires next February.

“Brexit will mean a bumpy ride because of the spillovers,” says Alexis Lautenberg, former Swiss ambassador to the UK. “Short term, it will penalise Switzerland because we don’t know the policy trade-offs that will be decided for the UK — and won’t for some time.”
https://next.ft.com/content/e4c7f5a0-4288-1...2f-79eb4891c97d

There will proably have to be a new referendum - for Switzerland.
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Kari
post 12.Jul.2016, 02:00 AM
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There will be other treaties for UK to enter. With USA for instance.

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Barack Obama was right: the UK will be at the back of the queue for trade deals with the US now it is leaving the EU, the American Ambassador to Britain has said.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/polit...s-a7116741.html

We (USA) love you (UK) but you're last in line now, seems to be the message. Well, you always have this "special relationship" with USA. I have interpreted this relationship as "UK will always be the lapdog of USA" (remember Tony Blari and the invasion of Irak). Or "Far away USA will always mean more to UK then neighbouring EU-countries".

Bottom line, quick it will not be.
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LLHope
post 14.Jul.2016, 08:39 AM
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QUOTE (Kari @ 12.Jul.2016, 12:51 AM) *
I don't understand what you mean by "quick". If it took over 3 years for little Greenland, why would it be any quicker for big UK? You think that UK can get a ... (show full quote)
Quick as in, you didn't read what was written wink.gif If the EU do not want to budge on Freedom of Movement and link everything to that, then there is nothing much to negotiate with regards trade, just to fall back to trade with no agreement. With the UK being a net importer of EU goods then the tariffs applied to EU products will boost UK income by 2+ billion pounds, that money can be used to indirectly support businesses to reduce indirect costs and negate the effect of tariffs for products going the other way wink.gif ...in addition to that, the UK will start immediately negotiations with non-EU countries on free trade agreements. Those negotiations are quicker as they are country-to-country and normally take approx. 1 to 2 years to agree, and they will do many countries in parallel. The potential is that by the time the 2 year exit period is over the UK could have free trade agreements with markets that are 2x the size of the EU. The EU is the side that will suffer the most because it's main players are quite against free-trade, this is why Sweden is also sad the UK will leave as UK and Sweden are the 2 main members that promote free trade rather than protectionism (well, up until the socialists got into government here!).
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