(edit title) Abortion, pro life/ pro choice Talk about your views on abortion Options

[Gjeebes]

"Uppity Black mothers, as you call them,"

Reading and comprehension slowing down for the retired shop teach?

See this is what I mean with you BSmith. Of late you seem to take the Trumpity twist on anything and everything. I didn't usually think you were so thick, but...or maybe you are going a bit dotty...

So to splain it to you, I was calling YOU uppity, "about" single Black mothers, since in a previous thread, you were waxing lyrical with complaints of them being helped through subsidies, yet here you complain about their freedom of choice about becoming single moms, as it were.

So to further clarify such that a 2 year old could understand, I did not call Black mothers "uppity".

Tuned in now or still can't find the station?

[Gjeebes]

Another old bigot retires.

Wow, BSmith, you are just on fire! I didn't know shop teachers in Amarcuh made so much money that they could retire in ivory towers. You arrogant prick.

"If they, or anyone else makes bad choices, they should accept the consequences."

Truly amazing how you just cannot connect the dots. Like SayWHatInTheFAce said, it is not always the single mother's choice to be single, or to become pregnant.

Dead beat dads? Ever heard of that? Or maybe dad left because he is so beat down in society by religious judgemental pricks such as yourself, looking down their nose at everyone who isn't as pious as thoueth. Or that they can't get work because of the colour of their skin.

Simply wow that you were allowed to teach in public schools. I can guess the average grade received by a person of colour in your environment.

[Saywhatwhat]

I did not say that abortion is the sole responsibility of the mother. I was responding to Gjeebes statement. But you seem to be saying that the murder of the innocent babies ... (show full quote)

I did not say that abortion is the sole responsibility of the mother. I was responding to Gjeebes statement. But you seem to be saying that the murder of the innocent babies should be allowed without any harassment. Strange position from someone who is so against anyone being killed by a gun. What is the difference between killing someone with a gun or a forceps or vacuum device. If you are open minded enough, you should watch the movie "Unplanned". I would be interested in your take on that film.

Also, anti abortion laws do not have to create more need for social services if the sex partners exercise some personal responsibility...something the snowflake generation is not too big on.

Oh, and if there was a fire and you had to choose one of your 2 kids...which one would you choose? Same question. ... (hide full quote)

You didn’t answer the question and the question you pose is not the same.

My position is not strange considering my position on gun laws.... it’s simple... I do not value the life of an embryo or fetus the same that I do the life of those that are victims to mass shootings and school shootings.

They are not biologically, morally, or ethically the same.

Nobody mentioned religion, I wonder why???. About the fire scenarios... Call a Fireman and save everybody, or do the unborn not fit the everybody description???

Calling fireman is not an option since you and the 5 year old will die of smoke inhalation. There are 3 choices to this hypothetical question. A b or c. A- save the 100-1000 embryos. B- save the 5 year old. C- everyone dies because a quick decision wasn’t made.

What do you do?

[Saywhatwhat]

I did not say that abortion is the sole responsibility of the mother. I was responding to Gjeebes statement. But you seem to be saying that the murder of the innocent babies ... (show full quote)

I did not say that abortion is the sole responsibility of the mother. I was responding to Gjeebes statement. But you seem to be saying that the murder of the innocent babies should be allowed without any harassment. Strange position from someone who is so against anyone being killed by a gun. What is the difference between killing someone with a gun or a forceps or vacuum device. If you are open minded enough, you should watch the movie "Unplanned". I would be interested in your take on that film.

Also, anti abortion laws do not have to create more need for social services if the sex partners exercise some personal responsibility...something the snowflake generation is not too big on.

Oh, and if there was a fire and you had to choose one of your 2 kids...which one would you choose? Same question. ... (hide full quote)

And so wait... you condone the harassment of women entering and bombings of planned parenthood and abortion clinics?

Your snowflake generation comment... what are you talking about? Abortion has been declining... ??? You are getting a little batty. Do you have some data to make sense of your statement? Because I don’t even know what you are trying to imply or if you can back up your statement.

I’ll check out the movie if I have time. It won’t change my opinion because I don’t believe the life of aborted fetuses and embryos have value. And if the movie is a gross out kind of thing... I’m not into scare tactics like that... I did it but was still squeamish watching the birth of my own kids. Or the tlc show pimple popper... can’t even be in the room if a commercial for that comes on.

[Bsmith]

"Uppity Black mothers, as you call them,". Reading and comprehension slowing down for the retired shop teach?

The uppity black mother term did not come from me...it came from your post. Maybe you should check your comprehension.

[Bsmith]

Another old bigot retires.. You arrogant prick.

And now we've lowered ourselves to that crap. I am not surprised you were a professor. I met plenty of arrogant, pompous a-holes who thought that they were superior because, as a professor, they could intimidate their lowly students. Sick shit.

[Bsmith]

it is not always the single mother's choice to be single, or to become pregnant.. Dead beat dads?

I did not say that the mothers are the only responsible person for the pregnancies. That is why I used the term: sex partners...with and s...as in plural. Again, check your reading comprehension. I would have thought that a professor would actually be able to read.

[Bsmith]

I do not value the life of an embryo or fetus the same that I do the life of those that are victims to mass shootings and school shootings.

You can use any term you want to...embryo, fetus, or bun in the oven. It is still life and abortion puts an end to it. Kills it. Murders it.

[Saywhatwhat]

You can use any term you want to...embryo, fetus, or bun in the oven. It is still life and abortion puts an end to it. Kills it. Murders it.

You still haven’t answered MY question. If you value the life of a bun in the oven... remember 90% of abortions occur before 13 weeks... you would save the crate of embryos and let the 5 year old burn because you value the life just the same. That’s pretty twisted to think of the 5 year old begging for help as you rush the embryos to safety.

Embryo and fetus are specific terms relating to the development into a human.

And yes I know that an abortion is terminating a life.

Why would you want a child born into a family that didn’t want it?

[Bsmith]

At 22 days, a baby's heart begins to beat. During the first four weeks the baby's face will take form with large dark circles for eyes. The mouth, lower jaw, and throat are developing. Blood cells are taking shape, and circulation will begin. The tiny "heart" tube will beat 65 times a minute by the end of the fourth week.

During the next four weeks, the baby's Your baby's facial features continue to develop. Each ear begins as a little fold of skin at the side of the head. Tiny buds that eventually grow into arms and legs are forming. Fingers, toes and eyes are also forming.

The neural tube (brain, spinal cord and other neural tissue of the central nervous system) is well formed. The digestive tract and sensory organs begin to develop. Bone starts to replace cartilage.

The head is large in proportion to the rest of the baby's body.

During the next four weeks, Your baby's arms, hands, fingers, feet, and toes are fully formed. Your baby can open and close its fists and mouth. Fingernails and toenails are beginning to develop and the external ears are formed. The beginnings of teeth are forming. Your baby's reproductive organs also develop, but the baby's gender is difficult to distinguish on ultrasound.

By the end of the third month, your baby is fully formed. All the organs and extremities are present and will continue to mature in order to become functional. The circulatory and urinary systems are working and the liver produces bile.

And then...it is aborted. Killed. Sucked up by a vacuum and discarded.

[Bsmith]

Why would you want a child born into a family that didn’t want it?

There are plenty of childless families that would love to adopt a baby.

[Saywhatwhat]

At 22 days, a baby's heart begins to beat. During the first four weeks the baby's face will take form with large dark circles for eyes. The mouth, lower jaw, and thro ... (show full quote)

At 22 days, a baby's heart begins to beat. During the first four weeks the baby's face will take form with large dark circles for eyes. The mouth, lower jaw, and throat are developing. Blood cells are taking shape, and circulation will begin. The tiny "heart" tube will beat 65 times a minute by the end of the fourth week.

During the next four weeks, the baby's Your baby's facial features continue to develop. Each ear begins as a little fold of skin at the side of the head. Tiny buds that eventually grow into arms and legs are forming. Fingers, toes and eyes are also forming.

The neural tube (brain, spinal cord and other neural tissue of the central nervous system) is well formed. The digestive tract and sensory organs begin to develop. Bone starts to replace cartilage.

The head is large in proportion to the rest of the baby's body.

During the next four weeks, Your baby's arms, hands, fingers, feet, and toes are fully formed. Your baby can open and close its fists and mouth. Fingernails and toenails are beginning to develop and the external ears are formed. The beginnings of teeth are forming. Your baby's reproductive organs also develop, but the baby's gender is difficult to distinguish on ultrasound.

By the end of the third month, your baby is fully formed. All the organs and extremities are present and will continue to mature in order to become functional. The circulatory and urinary systems are working and the liver produces bile.

And then...it is aborted. Killed. Sucked up by a vacuum and discarded. ... (hide full quote)

Yes, so? They have also just recently transitioned from an embryo to a fetus.

Are you going to continue avoiding my question from post 6?

[Saywhatwhat]

Funny how BSmith is all uppity with "single Black mothers" and their being subsidised, yet at the same time, he wishes to force their pregnancies on them.

Uppity Black mothers, as you call them, can make choices.

The uppity black mother term did not come from me...it came from your post. Maybe you should check your comprehension.

To put an end to bsmith’s childish, “no I didn’t, you did” whining. Bsmith... it was you who decided to call single black mothers uppity.

Freudian slip?

[skogsbo]

Why is it the rich white men in the USA that decide the abortion laws in the USA. Many of them in office probably never even changed a nappy/diaper, they had staff for that.

I suspect a poor, badly education women's perspective might differ. They'll be the one who has to actually bring the unwanted child up.

Why doesn't the USA have a national referendum on it, or simply let people decide themselves. Then everyone can live to their own wishes and not those of others.

[Saywhatwhat]

Why is it the rich white men in the USA that decide the abortion laws in the USA. Many of them in office probably never even changed a nappy/diaper, they had staff for that. I ... (show full quote)

Why is it the rich white men in the USA that decide the abortion laws in the USA. Many of them in office probably never even changed a nappy/diaper, they had staff for that.

I suspect a poor, badly education women's perspective might differ. They'll be the one who has to actually bring the unwanted child up.

Why doesn't the USA have a national referendum on it, or simply let people decide themselves. Then everyone can live to their own wishes and not those of others. ... (hide full quote)

I believe it was a woman who put the anti abortion law in place in Alabama.

A woman’s education has nothing to do with abortion... what are you implying with that? Rich educated woman also have abortions and they also want to be in charge of their bodies.

Your last paragraph... yes, that is what we call pro choice... where if you want to have an abortion you can, and if you don’t want to, then you don’t.