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Energy consumption in Sweden

Sweden in world top 10 for electricity use

Bsmith
post 13.Sep.2019, 03:00 PM
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Some people, maybe a lot of people will be doomed if the predictions come true.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 13.Sep.2019, 03:13 PM
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Predicted doom is "false news"...Just look at the places around the world that once were inhabited, that are now empty...What happened to the people???

They MOVED away!!!

Ever since Venice was built it began to sink, it is still sinking, there will come a time when people cannot live there without drowning, if people drown can climate change be blamed or is it because they were too stupid to adapt to change and move away???

Humans have always adapted to change...
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skogsbo
post 13.Sep.2019, 03:24 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 13.Sep.2019, 03:13 PM) *
Predicted doom is "false news"...Just look at the places around the world that once were inhabited, that are now empty...What happened to the people???. They MOVED away!!!

Precisely. If you look at the number of people living 5m or less above current sea levels, it's a vast number. Millions, if not a billion.

The last time in man's history these kind of changes happened, man was a Hunter gatherer and probably just moved their tent!

How many Bangladeshis is you local town prepared to accept? Etc.. the west has caused or created most of the problem. We should be prepared to accept most casualties.
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skogsbo
post 13.Sep.2019, 03:29 PM
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Venice? Insignificant number of affluent people who can easily move.

Bangladesh. Millions with next to nothing, who csnt afford to anything.

I think you might not be sensing the true scale of man's current fate.

What about when the next massive hurricane hits the USA, of they have to create a new factor 6 hurricane, because some level 5s are worse than others.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 13.Sep.2019, 03:58 PM
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In 1948 millions of people on the Indian continent moved because of religious/political reasons, they can also move because of the weather...

If there were no people in a hurricanes path would it be as bad as predicted???

Don't forget climate change is a fairly slow event, there is plenty of time to adjust...
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skogsbo
post 13.Sep.2019, 07:31 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 13.Sep.2019, 03:58 PM) *
In 1948 millions of people on the Indian continent moved because of religious/political reasons, they can also move because of the weather...If there were no people in a hurri ... (show full quote)

Yes and all those people in poor countries won't want to move to another poor country. They'll be wanting to be your neighbour.

Hurricanes. Yeah could empty all the southern states, too where?

Climate change slow, 15 of the world's hottest years have been in the last 20 years. In climate terms that's exceptionally rapid.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 13.Sep.2019, 08:11 PM
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Rapid weather changes go both ways just think of the "Little Ice Age" it came and went!!!

Europeans may want/have to move also, the problem is nobody knows for sure and the hysteria created by the political media is just that!!!

In some places on the planet the weather changes four time a year!!!
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skogsbo
post 14.Sep.2019, 06:41 AM
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You really are in denial aren't you.
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Gjeebes
post 14.Sep.2019, 09:29 AM
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This thread really attests to the common-place ignorance about energy production and consumption, not to even begin to mention about rising CO2 levels.

We have many arm-chair experts here, regurgitating the ignorance they have chosen to follow either to alleviate any culpability of their own, or simply to appear to be "right".

Oddly, it's exactly the same behaviour of many people in power.

I guess people will start to understand when the partial pressure of CO2 is so large, that it will dilute that of the O2 required for humans to breath.

But hey, if you lot feel better about yourselves to talk non-sense about things you clearly don't understand, knock yourselves out.

Turn the lights out if you are not in the room. Turn your car off if it isn't moving. Be smart. Use less, and use wisely. Don't waste.

And we can only hope that India and China never catch up with the wasteful living standards of the West.
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skogsbo
post 15.Sep.2019, 07:03 AM
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QUOTE (Gjeebes @ 14.Sep.2019, 09:29 AM) *
And we can only hope that India and China never catch up with the wasteful living standards of the West.

The only hope is that many leap over the technology we have used in the last 50 years and embrace the emerging tech. Their first car will be electric etc.
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 15.Sep.2019, 03:13 PM
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India and China are the worst polluters on the planet...
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skogsbo
post 15.Sep.2019, 05:31 PM
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QUOTE (Gamla Hälsingebock @ 15.Sep.2019, 03:13 PM) *
India and China are the worst polluters on the planet...

Carbon dioxide emmisions;

1. China
2. USA
3.India

But is China the worst polluter because we get it to make all the most polluting products, then import them?

It's quite easy to off shore all your bad habits and pretend you're clean.
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Gjeebes
post 15.Sep.2019, 05:32 PM
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"The only hope is that many leap over the technology we have used in the last 50 years"

Except they aren't. China has opened a new coal fired energy plant each month or so, somewhere in its vast geographical area, for the past decade, if not decades.

Loads of the stuff we buy, is made, there. Probably half, if not all of every Tesla too (even if it is assembled in the US). China doesn't give a flying f#"% about pollution, child labour, or human rights. Neither does India, nor the rest of the undeveloped world.

I appreciate your glass half-full approach, but you seem to have all the easy answers available from the most dubious sources, that just don't carry much weight.

And telling people here that it doesn't matter how much energy they use...that's just negligent, misleading and dangerous.

Thankfully, no one gives a flying f¤%& about this forum or Meatballia either, so largely no harm done...but still, it TOTALLY matters how much energy each of us uses, and for what.

And that isn't by any means a "new" thing either. I've been turning lights of etc since the 70's, as taught by parents who knew better.
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skogsbo
post 15.Sep.2019, 06:31 PM
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Gjeebes
My point about energy source, wasn't that energy use doesn't matter, but you can compare electricity use between two countries as a benchmark of how green they are, when they could generate their power by completely different means.

Yeah, I agree with the rest of what you say. The only reason the eu looks better is because it's out sourced all the manufacturing pollution to Asia.

I don't think it's that people don't care, they just think someone else will some how fix it.

Lights of course, same here. I don't want to use or pay for anything more than I need to.(tight yorkshireman.)
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Gamla Hälsingebock
post 15.Sep.2019, 09:04 PM
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There are untold billions of people on this planet who practice "waste not want not": it's not a new idea!!!
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